Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Lycanfire

[mcqueen]

But I'd still lynch buj over you right now

why Is Buj scummy? I just got done a game with him and a skim of his iso seems similar enough that no red flags are raised for me. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’d like to hear your thought process

[mcqueen]

mcqueen, do you have any other thoughts on the game?

Jingle’s pretty obvtown

[mcqueen]

Buj says he scumreads me because I'm "assigning reads based on who agrees/disagrees with me about the self-vote" (see 403 & 752). To make this argument, Buj distorts or ignores the vast majority of my reads.

For starters, Buj thinks I scumread EE when I didn't. He thinks I townread Vedith because he agreed with me about the self-vote even though I've already explained that I townread Vedith based on his "progression" from attacking me to defending me. He's ignoring the fact that I scumread Alisae even though Alisae agreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread Grapes even though Grapes disagreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread FA even though she disagreed with me about the self-vote. And he's ignoring the fact that I didn't initially scumread him even though he disagreed with me about the self-vote.

I hold Buj to a much higher standard than this as town, which is why I'm scumreading him now. Buj usually has very good reads as town. He reads carefully. He doesn't get basic facts wrong. If Buj keeps scumreading me after this, we need to lynch him.

Not gonna agree with the “he usually has really good reads as town”. No offense, and while he’s not bad, I think based on my limited experience with him you’re giving him a lot of credit he probably wouldn’t fulfill as either alignment.

Any chance he genuinely believes his statements despites their wrongness? I’ll re iso him and you later

[mcqueen]

It will be too difficult for anyone to convince me Reiuji is mafia. Their active, agenda-less approach to attempt to solve my slot by considering both scum and town and finally to put me at one of their top townreads by using Alisae's (biggest pusher of my slot) own reasons to scum read me in order to town read me in a reasonable manner makes me think nothing but town town town

pretty clear but if dt/rei ever flips scum this post becomes massive buddying

[mcqueen]

Rei yell at me about why I'm wrong on Vedith

Care to retrace your steps and walk me through why you think Vedith is scum?

[mcqueen]

@Rei do you have a link to your previous completed game you mentioned? Would like to read it

[mcqueen]

And

@mod: v/la until thursday please

[mcqueen]

why are we acting like that post was even remotely okay to make EE

Because I weighed my options and considered that if that was all it took to help her realize she has several fundamental flaws in her thinking, it would be worth the price.

yes because agree with an over the top exaggeration pertaining to rape is the way you should go about pointing out flaws in someones logic in a GAME OF MAFIA

[mcqueen]

Hey Xtoxm what are your thoughts on the current gamestate?

Do you have any (updated) reads?

[mcqueen]

@Rei do you have a link to your previous completed game you mentioned? Would like to read it

Request denied, not because to be rude, but to help you instead.
You can look for it yourself if you wish, but if you're trying to use a single I played a year ago as an any sort of reference, you're doing it wrong so.

well i wanted to ask for a completed scum game because i can totally see your play coming from a strong scum player.

Of course, that one game would have to be scum for me to accurately eval ur scum play , but a town game would add some extra info i dont currently have, whih while its not everything, i think its better than nothing

got a test in 20 mins but ill quote certain posts later tonight or tomorrow that were good quality, but that didnt make me instant think town.


My worry is that i just wanna be edgy and go against the playerbase but its something to look into for now.

[mcqueen]

Not ready to default to that yet^

Not sure when the deadline is but as long as we have a few days id like to (hopefully) see DT’s replacement and wait for Xtoxm and Gamma to add more before deciding on a lynch

[mcqueen]

Also, i find clem as an impossible read, but i’d rather not lynch him now. Feel like its a cop out lynch when we have a bunch of other players to evaluate.

U may not agree, i think u had an actual scumread on him. But from my standpoint, where i cant read him, id rather not

[mcqueen]

Can people please read and understand posts before they comment on them?

There's no shame in asking for clarification.

Also I'm sorry but if prince did what he did as scum it would be horribly immoral so he's conftown now.

Disagree with the 3rd sentence but its time for test so ill explain later.

[mcqueen]

alisae are u scum

[mcqueen]

were u scum in the first merchants daughter? Didnt rejoin the second

[mcqueen]

So there’s scum in {PR, Alisae, and Rei} ? Scum team found already ?

[mcqueen]

dang got em VOTE: Rei.

Seriously tho im pretty sure at least one scum is in those three if not more.

[mcqueen]

Lemme throw it out there that while Eagles play is bad i think its bad town and anyone voting him is looking scummy rn. Yes you grapes

[mcqueen]

Lemme throw it out there that while Eagles play is bad i think its bad town and anyone voting him is looking scummy rn. Yes you grapes

Would you like to have a conversation about how this makes any sense at all?

Yeah what doesnt make sense about it?

[mcqueen]

dang got em VOTE: Rei.

Seriously tho im pretty sure at least one scum is in those three if not more.

You ruined my "never been voted in this game" streak :'(

Expect my treatment towards you to be 5% worse than I treat the rest of the players from now on.

[mcqueen]

can u also explain the Xtoxm townread?

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Karmeleon

[mcqueen]

I must praise whoever the doctor is in this game.
Wonderful job so far.

what

[mcqueen]

VOTE: alisae

[mcqueen]

Someone asked for reads:

Scum: (in order)
Shoshin
Gamma
Alisae
Vedith
Clem

Town:
Everyone else

Like these reads and Eagles play as of late. I agree with his 1553 as well; I think Dannflor is town

[mcqueen]

more to come later i’ve only skimmed the last 7 pages

[mcqueen]

been sick the past few days:/

I’ll catch up by tomorrow hopefully

Sorry guys

[mcqueen]

So Xtoxm’s still done next to nothing

[mcqueen]

Jingle’s still town, dont know about Alisae at this point, got slight townreads from a few of Ank’s posts I saw. Hopefully Eagle is still town too

[mcqueen]

mcqueen talk to me
If you don't know what to talk to me about, gimme reads

i literally just gave some.

In honesty ive not read over half this thread, probably more like 2/3s

[mcqueen]

Im not feeling DDL scum from his last few posts. Where do u stand on him Eagle?

[mcqueen]

Im not feeling DDL scum from his last few posts. Where do u stand on him Eagle?

Why?

Just doesnt seem very scummy. Im not getting hard town vibes, but i dont think hed repeat “im town” over and overas he has been if he werescum tbh. Just seemslike a cop out when i expect more from him.

[mcqueen]

thats funny cause i havent done a catch up

[mcqueen]

thats funny cause i havent done a catch up

referring to your pop in and updated reads

is xtoxm your top scum read?

I was waiting for Booneytoonz extravaganza to finish before I truly call out xtoxm.

He’s scum here like he was in that game.

VOTE: xtoxm

Karmeleon what do you think?

[mcqueen]

thats a real stinky meta attempt my dude
ive seen so much bad meta lately
actually throws games

ive seen real stinky attempts to place an actual argument why its not true
actually throws games

[mcqueen]

I was waiting for Booneytoonz extravaganza to finish before I truly call out xtoxm.

He’s scum here like he was in that game.

Gonna need more than that tbh

Xtoxm is a master of pretending to do shit while doing nothing. Its a playstyle that should always be pressured, regardless of alignment, especially when he actually hasn’t done much as of late.

[mcqueen]

holy shit i just realized how many people got replaced. Why did Shoshin, Lycan, and Gamma all get replaced?

[mcqueen]

And who tf lynched Shoshin’s slot yesterday

[mcqueen]

holy shit i just realized how many people got replaced. Why did Shoshin, Lycan, and Gamma all get replaced?

Where you at? It seems like you are further behind than me, and I just replaced in a day ago and haven't read day 1 or even most of day 2.

i popped in day 1, got sick part of day 2 and didnt keep up. Havent read early d1/most of d2

[mcqueen]

Jingle did u give ur thoughts on Xtoxm? You were also in that game, I just forgot since i think u replaced in after i died.

[mcqueen]

More relevantly, will you explore people whose name begins with D with me tomorrow if I sheep you today?

Yes.

[mcqueen]

Initially, And to this point, I’m not sure about Dann. He had suspicion of me IIRC, but I hadn’t been a very active member of the game at that time. It’s hard not to just trust you Jingle and say “yeah fine Dann’s scum” even though I tr you. That yes above should be clarified- I’ll LOOK at Dann overnight if you sheep us today. Blindly trusting people has lost me games as of late (see: prey mafia, ballroom blitz).

I should probably dig deeper into Xtoxm because what he said is true- he fooled me before and I’m being very wary about being fooled again. I just don’t see how keeping him alive is an asset right now.

[mcqueen]

Also, Xtoxm’s flip gives me a bit to work with in the way of reading price. I forgot how you read them, seems to me they are very wildely townread, but i’ve also been called “protown” by scum players in the past and that was enough to get me townreading them. My playstyle is usually kept alive mid- to late game and preserved early because I’m a small asset but easy to mislynch. That’s why I didn’t like 3 people i have little to no experience with calling me town at roughly the same time earlier ( prince, rei, alisae).

[mcqueen]

I'm going back to VOTE: vedith

There's too many opposing views over here.. gotta lynch some people let's go.
Seems there's not enough support for xtox.

Prince made decent points but I still like vedith for scum more anyway

Vedith isn’t scum tho. Have u ever played with him?

[mcqueen]

I'm going back to VOTE: vedith

There's too many opposing views over here.. gotta lynch some people let's go.
Seems there's not enough support for xtox.

Prince made decent points but I still like vedith for scum more anyway

Vedith isn’t scum tho. Have u ever played with him?

Actually, i won’t be surprised if this comes back to bite me
In the butt.

Vedith’s iso is wishy washy.

I’d still prefer to lynch Xtoxm.

[mcqueen]

I don't understand the Xtoxm wagon

Why not?

[mcqueen]

I see more reasons for them to be town than scum.

I see more reasons for Dann to be scum than town.

What reasons are there for xtoxm being town?

genuinely curious what u see

[mcqueen]

projection much lol

if you want to play against your win condition and attempt to grudge lynch me then fine. it's been established several times that it's not against the MS rules. just be honest to yourself and others about who you are.

ive already made this abundantly clear
but you continue to replace into my games on alts to try and deceive me

i dont want to play with you
fuck off

on a human level you are a disgusting person
shame khan didnt have enough evidence

VOTE: prince

everyones thoughts on this pls

[mcqueen]

Can we not focus on a pissing match rn? It really doesn't matter who is right or wrong. If the fight happens, everyone loses.

it does matter. If xtoxm overreacted on purpose just to start shit and dilute the focus on him being scum, well then thats an outstanding move.

you dont think xtoxm could pull it off?

[mcqueen]

oh i guess you are right - that dousing happens during the night, so igniting also must happen during the night. move along folks

Town here is just like oh okay

Scum trying to fake a townslip milks it for all it's worth. HMMM look at all this thought process of how I clearly didn't know that ignite happened during the night

Did literally anyone in this game think scum could ignite during the day?

Honestly, I did.

[mcqueen]

Let's do some reads. I'm excited. Because reading back the last 10 pages or so and doing my catch up post, I think we can narrow down the lynch pool enough to make hitting scum today very likely.

Using the player list in the OP for this in order to keep track of all the replacements.

Ankamius replaced Lycanfire *

- I played with Ankamius in Merchant's Daughter where she played very different from how she's playing here. That's why I initially had an averse reaction to her posting because I hadn't seen her do this style of rapid-fire posting and questioning before. Based on how I perceived her in Merchant's Daughter, she seemed more analytical and reserved. I peeked at some of her other games and realized this game is closer to her standard than my previous experience was, and is probably closer to town-indicative.

The discussion between Ank and Enter on 105 isn't faked, which means they cannot be S/S. Reading it closer, it's probably T/T. The only situation where it makes sense for scum to opt into this back and forth is if Ank is trying to pocket EE here. It's a possibility if only because of how widely town read EE is. However, it's not a progression that was forced by Ank, and I don't think you start off a pocket by null-reading somebody. This interaction specifically couldn't really have been orchestrated and that makes me think it's more likely town from Ank than scum. The mini-town jam session with Enter a couple pages later is more points for Ank town as well. In fact, I like a lot of her posts since then, reading back.

I scum read her on entrance because her questioning seemed empty and she wasn't reaching any conclusions, but I think that was a product of having to catch up. She's been following through on her lines of questioning and forming reads/conclusions from those in ways that I don't think are easily faked by scum.

Liger_Zero replaced Gamma Emerald **

- Gamma has like 3 posts before replacing out or something? I remember absolutely nothing alignment indicative from her and flaking out certainly isn't. Liger is snarky as fuck and I almost want to town read him just for that, but a few specific posts of his town pinged me.

Starting to get disinterested in this. We gonna get everyone on a wagon or something?

Towwwn. A variety of wagons is good for scum imo. Especially if they are on largely town players, which I think they are right now. I don't think scum is very likely to draw attention with a post like this, it's so blatant.

Like why am I here all scum Maxie shopping for reads when theres an entire thread of opinions i could grab for convenience
idk i feel like im pretty obvious trying to interact w people and talk abt their reads and your conclusions arent making any sense
@Liger

Because your opinions do look like they are being shopped so far? Not seeing much in terms of original thinking but I haven't been really reading your posts as of late so theres that.

Also mind melding with him on Max. I picked at Max's weird progression on me in my catch up post, but there's a lot of ??? stuff from him.

He also shuts down other wagons or at least closes them off to himself, and is pretty tunneled on Vedith. I think scum is more likely to try and leave their options open given the game state.

RAS replaced Alisae

- Snarky again but less obv town imo. His #3114 really town pings me though because it's transparent, and outlines a townie thought process for switching wagons when scum would have no reason to do so. With me being MIA from the thread, there's no real incentive for scum to not just sit on me until I at least return and respond so the switch here is unnecessary. Bonus points for reconsidering reads. Alisae replacing out because of apathy also matches er behavior from Merchant's Dance, and I believe Jingle said e tends to go hard as scum. That's only very minor town points though.

Reiuji Utsuho

- I think obviously town and I'm not going to waste time talking about this too much unless people start disagreeing. Natural progressions, good thoughts and analysis.

Somebody do me a math and tell me how many mislynches we have right now, assuming that we are one horrible horrible towngroup and keeps mislynching every day starting now while magically managing to not lynch any of the doused people.

Kinda think this is a town slip too.

NerfedBuJ

- I think this is another mostly consensus town read now, so won't case it. He is
A. tonally very town
B. much more genuine and thorough in his analysis here than he is in his scum game

MaxwellPuckett replaced Clemency *

- Already commented on a post that was pretty yuck.

Idk im out the door rn but Dannslot looks kinds like scum u just lynch eventually

I also just flat out do not understand this while in the very same post calling DDL lynch bait. Really reads like an opinion that's only there because people started thinking I was scum in the recent pages before that post.

To quote Max, a poem:

"Conclusions feel kinda
Feels kinda like not making waves??
Should put more time into this but yeah"

I think this is scum.

Jingle replaced Frozen Angel

- This is town. I want to detail this explicitly, but it might have to be tomorrow because I don't think enough of my brain cells are awake right now for that. I do think I can make a good town case for Jingle though. He just has done a lot of things that don't really make sense for scum to do.

VOTE: Xtox

ngl, I still like my other wagon and I will totes hammer there if you build it, but apparently I missed a bunch of PR posts and I can grok it.

This is one off the top of my head. I don't think there's any reason to switch to xtoxm randomly here when he was already gaining support for wagons that he'd look a lot less suspicious on. There's a lot of other reasons too but will come tomorrow.

Extrapolated Eagle

- Town.

DrDolittle

- The dumb tell/slip whatever is not alignment indicative but all his other posts heavily town spew him. He's been trying to push the game in a positive direction even if his individual play hasn't been the best. The worst part about this slot is Maxwell's associations, but I'd wait until an actual flip there to sink here.

Vedith

- Vedith is a consistently hard read for me due to his play style. I really don't think his WKing of Shoshin clears him. His play yesterday basically just consisted of saying "don't lynch Shoshin" and sheeping her, in fact he's still just sheeping her today. I don't see that as outside of his scum range and I think scum defends doomed mislynches all the time. Otherwise, I don't like his associatives with grapes nor how he reacted to me and Prince pressuring him before Shoshin flipped. I feel like he's pretty apathetic and I feel like that could come from scum!Vedith only if his partner was someone useless like Clemency.

@Vedith, how do you feel about voting Maxwell?

Prince of Renais replaced PvtUrist

- I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this. I don't think scum!Prince is ever this paranoid about getting mislynched because of leading bad wagons. The case against him is "he's a really good scum player." If that were the case, he would not have lead a wagon on his partner Day 1. I don't think that's a good plan when Prince is somewhat likely to get mislynched by a paranoid or otherwise bad town. Scum!Prince would keep his team alive, drive mislynches, and probably die before endgame but get his team into a good spot imo. That would, at least, be the mastermind scum plan, which is what people who are suspicious of him seem to be scared of.

mcqueen *

- Literally the only thing I've seen this car do is call xtoxm out for doing nothing while doing nothing himself. I've brought this up before but I hate his posts on page 55 where he votes Rei (joke or not) and completely ignores the 6 vote grapes wagon. I realize he's been sick, but he's added nothing of substance except for a quick meta on xtoxm, despite lack of content being the driving force behind his tunnel on xtoxm.

thats funny cause i havent done a catch up

referring to your pop in and updated reads

is xtoxm your top scum read?

I was waiting for Booneytoonz extravaganza to finish before I truly call out xtoxm.

He’s scum here like he was in that game.

VOTE: xtoxm

Karmeleon what do you think?

I was waiting for Booneytoonz extravaganza to finish before I truly call out xtoxm.

He’s scum here like he was in that game.

Gonna need more than that tbh

Xtoxm is a master of pretending to do shit while doing nothing. Its a playstyle that should always be pressured, regardless of alignment, especially when he actually hasn’t done much as of late.

Don't like the claim that xtoxm is scum and then reframing it as his playstyle needing to be pressured regardless of alignment. Looks like a weak attempt to look like he's casing someone/doing something.

Xtoxm *

- My experience with scum!xtoxm is him completely flaking out of the game and he hasn't done that yet so bonus points to him. His reads are bad here but he is actually efforting. I find it hard to read this slot because of the AtE with Prince.

i fooled him in LNT and his suspicion of me here just kinda feels genuine
i think both scum are in
liger, rei, dann, jingle, ddl, prince

Idk Im townreading rei and prince and kinda dolittle too
Couldnt scum mcqueen rly easily cite meta on you to push you
Its kindve an unexpected read to me since you just said his meta was bad

town apply meta badly very often tho, it doesnt make him scum
it makes sense for him to be initially sus imo
if he just sits on the tunnel, does nothing else and never reconsiders then perhaps he is scum

This town pings me though.

Don't feel super big vibes either way with xtoxm. Max flip might incriminate him.

Karmeleon *

Karmeleon's catch up around the time I left is obv town. There's no reason for scum to go to such lengths anyway because Karmeleon was getting away just fine with being town read and not doing much at all. From a scum position, that burst of activity could be saved for a much later stage of the game.

Do you just mindfully forget i called out grapes for a bad EE vote despite EE also being a scumread of some at the time. Sorry i wasnt online end of day1 to actually put a vote down? What do u want me to say?

Im doing nothing mostly because im lazy, but im also not interested in getting involved to the level that we’ve had multiple arguments throughout the game now.

Xtoxm is definitely deserving of a push and gives reads on you, prince, jingle, max , and a few others if lynched. Do u agree that lynching scum all the time is u realistic and therefore lynching fency players that give a ton of info is best? You could make the argument that lynching yourself or ddl is similar. However, i dont like some of ddl’s posts but others haven’t readily made me think hes scum, so idk. My only experience with him was in a marsthon game where it was all SKs, so i have no meta to go off of.

More later got stuff to do for now

[mcqueen]

Okay mcqueen is definitely town.

But no thanks I ain't commenting on that post.

look Xtoxm can give me flak post game for this, but I can so easily see how his post could be faked.

If it was, Xtoxm is definitely scum.

If not, he’s probably town.

If Xtoxm is scum, prince is not. X- town, p- either

[mcqueen]

someone update me, why all the votes on Liger?

[mcqueen]

Okay, and you don't want to question me because....

I could, but like I said, my vote is on you purely because of Gamma's posts. There's not much I could ask you that would help me change my mind, unless you can explain why all of Gamma's post are practically empty. I really dislike how you jumped to conclusion when I specifically said my vote on you was purely because of Gamma's posts, but whatever.

this is a terrible post and should be pointed out as such. you’re giving Liger almost no chance.

[mcqueen]

The case on Liger is that people don't like Gamma's posts and Liger hasn't been blindingly obv town

But the thing is, Gamma has been lurky mislynch bait in virtually every single game I've played with her (sorry Gamma), and I've only see her really try hard as scum

I don't think Gamma's ISO is that damning and I really don't think Liger leaves enough associations to be a good "information lynch," not that I would ever advocate for an information lynch anyway

Like I know there's a lot of apathy going on right now and lots of "oh well it doesn't really matter in which order we lynch they all have to go"

I will fully admit I'm not 100% on any one lynch right as Enter said this is one of the fencesittiest games I've ever played

However, there's a number of things Liger has said and done today that just gut town ping me - I do not think he's the best lynch

agree here.

[mcqueen]

I am fine with getting lynched if everyone agrees to lynch Max tomorrow. So far only 3 people agreed to that, I think? And I get the impression they are backing out of that immediately after my lynch.

would rather lynch Max today over you

[mcqueen]

scum!me never passes on a hammer on town!liger there btw
as much as scum!rc will try to tell you otherwise

why don’t you actually contribute to the game instead of being useless

[mcqueen]

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

Can we go back to this please

No

[mcqueen]

RAS do you believe that Liger's predecessor is more readable than Liger is?

I ask because my initial impression is the opposite

My vote is there for a reason, but I think you're right more often than not. I just think in this scenario, and from having ISO'd both of them, I genuinely feel like his predecessor has given more than he has in terms of reads on that slot. I could simply just having a hard time reading L0 here, but I'm finding it very hard to ignore Gamma's opener into this game. It's something that's there, and it's the type of openers that I dislike a lot.

I should also add, if it wasn't obvious enough already, but I don't really have much confidence in this game which is really weird from me because I don't usually flip-flop my reads so much, but I think it's something I will be able to improve on with a flip.

VOTE: ras

Stop pushing this bullshit narrative

[mcqueen]

RAS vote Max.

Vote ras

[mcqueen]

I really don't think Max would end up endgaming this as scum unless everybody gets trapped chasing their tails until scum can destroy all the strong town players, which is still a few days off

BuJ is that kind of player I suspect would get pushed back into the townblock if he doesn't get lynched sooner rather than later, and all it really takes is both Eagle and myself being ignited for all these associatives to be completely forgotten since I don't think anybody else in this playerlist would ever look back at that and how he continues throughout the game.

Liger is just a compromise because people don't really know what to do atm and are stuck in a solve.
Xtoxm is probably town and just feels like a wasted lynch.

I'd really rather we get BuJ today even if just to remove my own paranoia of him endgaming.

remind me why you’re stuck on BuJ

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Buj

bad vote

[mcqueen]

mcqueen

thoughts on BuJ please

thought he was town earlier tbh. Ill iso him

[mcqueen]

Okay, and you don't want to question me because....

I could, but like I said, my vote is on you purely because of Gamma's posts. There's not much I could ask you that would help me change my mind, unless you can explain why all of Gamma's post are practically empty. I really dislike how you jumped to conclusion when I specifically said my vote on you was purely because of Gamma's posts, but whatever.

this is a terrible post and should be pointed out as such. you’re giving Liger almost no chance.

It's really unfortunate how I'm giving him no chance. I'm being so stubborn on my vote on him, and I think I will never unvote him.

VOTE: BuJ

This is making it worse on yourself

[mcqueen]

Okay, and you don't want to question me because....

I could, but like I said, my vote is on you purely because of Gamma's posts. There's not much I could ask you that would help me change my mind, unless you can explain why all of Gamma's post are practically empty. I really dislike how you jumped to conclusion when I specifically said my vote on you was purely because of Gamma's posts, but whatever.

this is a terrible post and should be pointed out as such. you’re giving Liger almost no chance.

It's really unfortunate how I'm giving him no chance. I'm being so stubborn on my vote on him, and I think I will never unvote him.

VOTE: BuJ

This is making it worse on yourself

IDGAF, my goal isn't to look good. If you think me playing like shit makes me scum, then I really don't care. I've no confidence this game, and I don't need someone to remind me how terrible my posts have been when I've been admitting to it since I've joined this game.

So u switching ur vote with a bunch of AtE is supposed to be you recognizing your
Poor play

Lol ok

[mcqueen]

WHens deadline i need time to meta check buj but honestly i think hes town.

[mcqueen]

holy shit this is the most fencesit game ive ever seen

[mcqueen]

and to whoever asked why i would meta check buj... hmm idk maybe since he was town in our last game together if his playstyle here is similar he might be town. EVEN if his scum play is different every game

love how ank randomly throws me in a scumpile too

[mcqueen]

fuck it VOTE: nerfedbuj

[mcqueen]

someone fucking hammer

[mcqueen]

do it

[mcqueen]

plz

[mcqueen]

end this miserable day

[mcqueen]

Enter just vote buj

[mcqueen]

Liger’s not scum

[mcqueen]

Liger’s not scum

you've playued w/ liger before

? when

[mcqueen]

No

[mcqueen]

VOTE: EE

[mcqueen]

Eagle, you complained about fence sitting earlier and now you are fence sitting. End it or admit you are fine with fence sitting.

i have been fence sittign
i said that i've been fence sitting
now i'm happy lynching liger
i'll even lynch xtoxm
i'm even happy w/ a buj lynch
but i want someone else to hammer

Vote now and illl hammer

[mcqueen]

VOTE: EE

well now i can't hammer

lol i don't wanna vote him cuz i wanna see who's willing to lynch him

U just fucking said ur ok with his lynch but dont wanna hammer

Just fucking vote him mate holy shit

[mcqueen]

u act like there wont be a final vc

[mcqueen]

cool bro just vote buj.

a flip and vc analysis is more important than dicking around for another 5 irl days.

[mcqueen]

Enter’s actually prolonging this and the more he does the scummier he looks tbh

[mcqueen]

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

[mcqueen]

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

push me

i actually
don't
care

Was talking to rei but ok.

U act like ur not lynchable

[mcqueen]

Buj is at l-2 per enters reluctance to hammer but wont vote buj when i offered to be the hammer.

Probs scumbuddies

[mcqueen]

everyone vote EE

[mcqueen]

Plz people

[mcqueen]

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

But if I defenestrate my 5% penalty towards my treatment of youyou won't pay attention to me

I seriously dont get this post.

Wym i wont pay attention to you?

Im still trying to read you, i actually think ur town but honestly while its not exactly anti town im getting pissed we cant just lynch. We’ve flipped flopped 3 times now and that microcosm of us not being able to agree as a unit lets scum’s job easier. Just fucking lynch and say fuck it if hes town. Games not lost if he is

[mcqueen]

see rapier upick - mbaki

mini 2059 - urap

BoP - the worst

see ur vote on buj

[mcqueen]

where the fuck is Karm at

[mcqueen]

Pretty sure eagle is town right now mcqueen, even if he is being a bit of a twat. Don't lynch townies, sorry.

Hes not. He knows he’s being annoying by dragging this out and all he has to do is “say i wanna discuss before lynching” like he did with you to blow off suspicion. Except u can tell its not genuine

Hes scum

[mcqueen]

VOTE: nerfedbuj

[mcqueen]

if buj flips town
i'm pushing in (mcqueen/liger/xtoxm) pool tomorrow, i think
buj flips scum i think we just lynch max

VOTE: buj

If buj flips scum ur getting the rope tomorrow

[mcqueen]

Pretty sure eagle is town right now mcqueen, even if he is being a bit of a twat. Don't lynch townies, sorry.

Hes not. He knows he’s being annoying by dragging this out and all he has to do is “say i wanna discuss before lynching” like he did with you to blow off suspicion. Except u can tell its not genuine

Hes scum

blow off suspicion

lol
what suspicion do you think there was on me

p sure most people agreed i was town

i just wanna read the fucking votes

have you read the game, mate?

why are you so salty?

Cuz u literally knew what u were doing just adding a bunch of nonsense that got us nowhere with ur snarky attempts to make conversation. It wasnt genuine and ur trying to act like it was

[mcqueen]

Maybe after Max, assuming game doesn't end of course mcqueen.

Nah fuck Max he’s town per his posts during this shitshow we just had

[mcqueen]

Maybe after Max, assuming game doesn't end of course mcqueen.

Nah fuck Max he’s town per his posts during this shitshow we just had

meant this in a fuck lynching him type of way, not trying to come after u

I love u Max plz dont set me ablaze

[mcqueen]

i actually don't understand where the fuck this rage is coming from

you're barely here
every post of yours is a fucking prodge

i'm like actually mad at how little effort you're putting in

what the fuck

seriously

i did the same shit in prey mafia only worse

Lmao we fucking lost that game

[mcqueen]

If you're going to throw a FUCKING TANTRUM every time someone wants to find a reason to not end up in a shitty situation where they' don't know where to go from there after half-assing it ALL FUCKING GAME and EVERY FUCKING POST is a PRODGE.
DON'T PLAY MAFIA.

but u werent finding a reason

U just wanted attention and probably knew u were gonna vote buj all along

If u actually posted like u meant it, maybe i wouldnt be mad

[mcqueen]

i actually don't understand where the fuck this rage is coming from

you're barely here
every post of yours is a fucking prodge

i'm like actually mad at how little effort you're putting in

what the fuck

seriously

i did the same shit in prey mafia only worse

Lmao we fucking lost that game

I know you did
And it's my fault we lost that game I fucked up bad.
I know. I'm sorry I threw.
I'm just pissed
Because I've put HOURS into this fucking game day
Trying to sort shit out
and all I fucking wanna do
is wait a few more hours
so that someone else can hammer
and I can get a better read on who's willing to vote and who isn't

and you're sitting here gitting all pissed and shit

Nah its my fault we lost it. I was literally not there at EVERY end of day. Lmao Was buj our final mislynch? I forgot but thatd be hilarious rn

[mcqueen]

(mcqueen/liger/xtoxm) is my current scum pool that I'm working with

Thoughts?

I think that's still not productive.

Talk to me about it, then.

VOTE: mcqueen

L

[mcqueen]

Do you all not realize that, especially with this mechanic - ESPECIALLY if BuJ was doused, although we don’t know this - lynching town isn’t necessarily the worst if it gives info. Most agree on that; however, most are mad at ME for trying to coordinate SOME type of lynch when the rest of the townblock has been shown to lack this ability? IIRC TWICE yesterday was someone at L-1 with no hammer. Do you really think town is going to win with a bunch of indecisiveness floating around? While BuJ’s lynch may have been wrong, it is the precursor to picking a lynch as a block and sticking with it - the way it should be - win or lose.

[mcqueen]

And if I get lynched for that cause, then I’m honestly not too upset about it, either.

[mcqueen]

Eagle Im tryna figure out why scum mcqueen doesnt wanna push me here tho
Like am I too obvious lynchbait am I just too hard to lynch now
Idk maybe im putting too much thought into it but considering the dwindling mislynch options for scum if the big townpool is rly right idk how it sits with me

He doesn't want to lynch you the same way he didn't want to lynch Buj yesterday.

keep pushing false narratives bro

[mcqueen]

1. Prince of Renais
   
2. Extrapolated Eagle
   
3. Karmeleon
   
4. RAS
   
5. Ankamius
   
6. Jingle
   
7. mcqueen
   
8. Dannflor
   
9. Liger_Zero
   
10. Vedith

is what I have for my townlist.

That leaves DDL/xtoxm/Max but I don't kinda feel content with this PoE list? I don't feel like there would be 2 scums in this PoE list. So I think I'm wrong in one of my townlist.
From what I'm looking, basically everyone in the lower list of my reads have shown the "I don't care lynch me" attitude except for DDL. So clearly this is not the towntell in this game.
(Or maybe because only DDL showed the 'hey I don't want to be lynched,' that kinda makes him townish? I have no clue!)

I think Vedith replacing out shenanigan makes him kinda town (although it is unorthodox to read him with that).
Liger_Zero for me is "why would scum play like him" read. Yeah, yeah, it is a bad to assume that people play decently, but still.
Dann looks obvtown to me and he have been poked and jabbed by many people so maybe at least one scum joined the jabbing.

mcqueen I think it's just more 'special' than others.

Awww you’re calling me special? :












/s

[mcqueen]

what agenda are you thinking of eagle

Both of them are pushing paranoia (break up the townblock) even though it's way to early for that and we've already discussed why discussing this is pretty anti-town
Liger is intentionally muddying waters on gamestate between him/mcqueen, trying to provide opposition to the wagon w/o any actual reason to do so even though other people HAVE provided reasons they legitimately think they town read mcqueen
mcqueen is pushing whatever lynch will go through, esp when necessary to avoid liger/xtoxm lynch
liger is intentionally combative on almost every point but refuses to provide reasons for resistance, he's just actively resisting forward motion
mcqueen is avoiding actually providing any thoughts past a few passing remarks and an awkward push, as well as he feels quite different from prey
both of them have shown remarkable mindset changes based on what wagon was being pushed and when

WHEN NECESSARY TO AVOID XTOXM LYNCH?!!!

I WAS THE FIRST TO PUSH HIM AND CALL HIM SCUM, A LYNCH NEVER WENT THROUGH AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LARGELY IGNORING HIM SINCE HIS SPOUT WITH POR.

What do u want me to do?? Dude’s done absolutely dogshit since d1 and i’m not opposed to his lynch. Ive “prodded” him multiple times.

Do u just push whatever convoluted theory pops in ur mind first or whoever pisses u off the most? Pro tip, it usually doesnt work

[mcqueen]

dannflor is town and should be leader of the new town block formed of him and jingle.

Lol no

Jingle is the only super town person in this game

[mcqueen]

I was thinking who else I would add to that townblock and I am really mixed on either RAS or Vedith.

forgot vedith existed but him too

[mcqueen]

dann, be the leader you were always meant to be.

dann, be the leader you were always meant to be.

okay by my leadership I say we sheep?? Prince today

dann, be the leader you were always meant to be.

okay by my leadership I say we sheep Prince today

A good leader knows when to follow. I like it.

I will follow ur example

Prince, what are we doing?

anyone else think this is SvS?

[mcqueen]

My record isn't too shabby, tbh, especially in the last couple games, and the fact that my PoE is looking prety fucking similar to PoR's should help put things into perspective

Prepare to have ur record stopped

[mcqueen]

well yeah eagle is locktown, I literally said that like 2 pages ago

lol

[mcqueen]

god i am so fucking good at this game

L

so like srsly when r u gonna do shit

its funny cuz i didnt do shit in prey mafia so xtoxm can just tell me to fuck off for ruining his game

[mcqueen]

god i am so fucking good at this game

L

so like srsly when r u gonna do shit

its funny cuz i didnt do shit in prey mafia so xtoxm can just tell me to fuck off for ruining his game

sorry about that btw :/

[mcqueen]

god i am so fucking good at this game

L

so like srsly when r u gonna do shit

its funny cuz i didnt do shit in prey mafia so xtoxm can just tell me to fuck off for ruining his game

i'll get serious after we lynch prince
and you didnt ruin my game, prey mafia went great, i was very pleased with it
you can still fuck off tho

lol im not gonna fuck off.

U act like u cant play a normal game by just ignoring prince. No ones gonna say shit. I did the same thing with DT earlier.

[mcqueen]

neither does ur entire meme phase today and riding PoR and Dann

[mcqueen]

Enter? Says im trying to avoid an xtoxm lynch when ive been his biggest critic. And regardless of alignment xtoxm is literally just sitting there ACKNOWLEDGING he hasnt done anything by memeiny and posting one liners and he STILL wont just man up and ignore prince and play the fucking game

[mcqueen]

VOTE: xtoxm

[mcqueen]

Enter? Says im trying to avoid an xtoxm lynch when ive been his biggest critic. And regardless of alignment xtoxm is literally just sitting there ACKNOWLEDGING he hasnt done anything by memeiny and posting one liners and he STILL wont just man up and ignore prince and play the fucking game

Like okay. I understand getting mad at Eagle. The xtoxm thing maybe less so? He wasn't upset about him before as far as I am aware and the anger/outlash seems to be out of whack. I mean, I am annoyed by xtoxm too but I was pointing that stuff out awhile ago? And McQueen is raging at everything like no tomorrow. Is he upset he is getting wagoned and just pointed at random things? Usually someone saying they are angry are going to tell you some truthful things they are angry about but if they are lying they are going to hide some underlying elements or overinflate some aspects. This feels like the case.

Im not even as mad as u make me out to be? Yeah, my post to open the day was in fact pointed at Eagle and everyone else dumb enough to sheep him . Other than that, i dont understand why u think im so mad.

[mcqueen]

Enter? Says im trying to avoid an xtoxm lynch when ive been his biggest critic. And regardless of alignment xtoxm is literally just sitting there ACKNOWLEDGING he hasnt done anything by memeiny and posting one liners and he STILL wont just man up and ignore prince and play the fucking game

Like okay. I understand getting mad at Eagle. The xtoxm thing maybe less so? He wasn't upset about him before as far as I am aware and the anger/outlash seems to be out of whack. I mean, I am annoyed by xtoxm too but I was pointing that stuff out awhile ago? And McQueen is raging at everything like no tomorrow. Is he upset he is getting wagoned and just pointed at random things? Usually someone saying they are angry are going to tell you some truthful things they are angry about but if they are lying they are going to hide some underlying elements or overinflate some aspects. This feels like the case.

Im not even as mad as u make me out to be? Yeah, my post to open the day was in fact pointed at Eagle and everyone else dumb enough to sheep him . Other than that, i dont understand why u think im so mad.

Actually- yeah, im upset that this game has few “conftown” players and the wagons switch faster than the speed of light and everyone is somehow ok with that? What kind of playstyle is that?

[mcqueen]

Yes, but I’ve never seen it to this degree before.

You ever seen town win when they can’t make up their minds. Me either.

[mcqueen]

Hi

I'm going to catch up and read this game

How is everyone?

Hi dad

[mcqueen]

EE's game solve looks kind of ok? Idk, I like that she tried to narrow it down a bit, but I'm not particularly certain that it's correct, TBH. What do you think of it, Creature?

can u stfu

[mcqueen]

EE's game solve looks kind of ok? Idk, I like that she tried to narrow it down a bit, but I'm not particularly certain that it's correct, TBH. What do you think of it, Creature?

can u stfu

literally everyone in the fucking playerlist knows it’s ur alt

[mcqueen]

i'm considering mcqueen RAS

I think that mcqueen is the scum that's in the general lynchpool and the other scum is like in the low grade townreads

L

Ur reads arent getting better.

[mcqueen]

So there’s scum in {PR, Alisae, and Rei} ? Scum team found already ?

Yes, because this is so reliable

[mcqueen]

no like how did we not lynch mcqueen yet that's kind of shameful actually

i mean if u lynch me town is gonna lose cause yall defo cant make up ur minds

[mcqueen]

And throughout 19X - 204 enter repeatedly posts the same shit how liger and me are scum. Like his narrative is just repeating that over and over. Hes not doing much else other than a few relatively useless interactions with others, his narrative of me/liger always returns. Its sad how little effort he’s actually putting in and getting away with it

[mcqueen]

Also Dann’s narrative throughout 200-204 pretty clearly makes him town at this point. very laid back but still analytical, very town imo

[mcqueen]

also regarding DDL

he put mcqueen in his 6 lynch pool then his 3 lynch pool but always put him as the least viable lynch, then put him down as null in both of his readslist and questioned people's townreads. barely anything.
for mcqueen's part he called him town in the early game, also dropped him to null, and hasn't given a read on him in a very long time

I'm not lynching DDL. I think it's ok if town lynches DDL after Liger doesn't work, but it should definitely be mcqueen -> Liger -> DDL
for several reasons:
1. mcqueen is highest equity scum
2. ddl is likeliest to flip town, i think, and if we flip him, he flips town, then tonight scum kills you , me, ank, maybe rei? and then mcqueen/liger manipulate the fickle minds of town using the logic that we were wrong on ddl -> we're wrong on them and neither of them get lynched
3. ddl is least likely to win this in lylo, I think.

we're lynching mcqueen. mcqueen is always scum.

remember this shit the moment I die and flip green.

[mcqueen]

Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.

ideally ur gone tomorrow, town or scum

[mcqueen]

are you calling enter scum for that matter

tbh i’m not sure. he’s fucking annoying but that gives me a bias.

i feel like he genuinely believes me and Liger or scum. I can’t speak for Liger, but the fact that his narrative hasn’t been swayed at ALL on me all day and I of course know he’s wrong doesn’t sit well with me

And he literally thinks he is gonna be the one to carry the game

Ffs be realistic the only person here who can legit carry is RC

[mcqueen]

{L0, DDL} + 1 of Maxwell, Vedith, Dannflor

where the fuck does this come from LMAO pushes my lynch then leaves me out

[mcqueen]

I feel like I'm one of the few forces keeping DDL alive rn, and I fear that as soon as I'm gone, even though mcqueen flips red, Liger pushes DDL/Jingle/RAS over himself by doing the same noncommittal stuff he's been doing for the past couple days.

see this is the shit that gets on my nerves

[mcqueen]

But I'd still lynch buj over you right now

why Is Buj scummy? I just got done a game with him and a skim of his iso seems similar enough that no red flags are raised for me. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’d like to hear your thought process

this tell me your thought process stuff is SvS so, so much of the time

? What?

[mcqueen]

grapes
mcqueen

also reiuji's early scumreads

1/2

[mcqueen]

By the way I'm still keeping mcqueen on townlist for a gamble.
If I win I get to laugh at you all. If I lose I go down the trail of embarrassment.

get ready to laugh

[mcqueen]

I think I have this soft spot for terrible players X.X

K

[mcqueen]

And throughout 19X - 204 enter repeatedly posts the same shit how liger and me are scum. Like his narrative is just repeating that over and over. Hes not doing much else other than a few relatively useless interactions with others, his narrative of me/liger always returns. Its sad how little effort he’s actually putting in and getting away with it

I don't think its low effort. But it is definitely like he is a broken record.

i know ur pocketing me but i have to take it cuz you understand my pain

[mcqueen]

also regarding DDL

he put mcqueen in his 6 lynch pool then his 3 lynch pool but always put him as the least viable lynch, then put him down as null in both of his readslist and questioned people's townreads. barely anything.
for mcqueen's part he called him town in the early game, also dropped him to null, and hasn't given a read on him in a very long time

I'm not lynching DDL. I think it's ok if town lynches DDL after Liger doesn't work, but it should definitely be mcqueen -> Liger -> DDL
for several reasons:
1. mcqueen is highest equity scum
2. ddl is likeliest to flip town, i think, and if we flip him, he flips town, then tonight scum kills you , me, ank, maybe rei? and then mcqueen/liger manipulate the fickle minds of town using the logic that we were wrong on ddl -> we're wrong on them and neither of them get lynched
3. ddl is least likely to win this in lylo, I think.

we're lynching mcqueen. mcqueen is always scum.

remember this shit the moment I die and flip green.

are you calling me scum?

no i’m calling you stupid

[mcqueen]

I have a horrible time reading people who are on the defensive. My natural reaction is to scumread them for being so defensive. Want to see less defensive McQueen.

i mean thats not gonna happen with the current gamestate

Xtoxm quickly became the only one with a brain here which is insane considering how little he was doing not too long ago. He could still be scum but at least he’s right about me

[mcqueen]

how do we go from you saying that i'm the only one that can carry to you calling me out for things

is it impossible to call out potential town players cuz they made a bad read/post? No, so why are you asking me

[mcqueen]

@Radiant He probably knows if he hard scumreads you that you will go hard on you. You seem like the kind of person to hard push anyone calling you scum.

Or maybe he just isn't sure. Who knows. The defensive nature of all this is all to sort.

i mean, its worthwhile to go back and iso por. RC’s a god at bussing and i know he was on grapes wagon D1. Dont know where he stood on the other wagons.

[mcqueen]

@Radiant He probably knows if he hard scumreads you that you will go hard on you. You seem like the kind of person to hard push anyone calling you scum.

Or maybe he just isn't sure. Who knows. The defensive nature of all this is all to sort.

i mean, its worthwhile to go back and iso por. RC’s a god at bussing and i know he was on grapes wagon D1. Dont know where he stood on the other wagons.

basically RC is a player that should always be actively examined more than anyone else

[mcqueen]

And throughout 19X - 204 enter repeatedly posts the same shit how liger and me are scum. Like his narrative is just repeating that over and over. Hes not doing much else other than a few relatively useless interactions with others, his narrative of me/liger always returns. Its sad how little effort he’s actually putting in and getting away with it

I don't think its low effort. But it is definitely like he is a broken record.

i know ur pocketing me but i have to take it cuz you understand my pain

I mean I think if I was trying to pocket you, I wouldn't be voting you or think you are scum. But okay friend.

Cool story bro

ur on me cuz ur trying to follow the majority, not cuz u actually think im scum.

[mcqueen]

i can still win without bussing as scum and I don't like getting scumread as town.

ok? That doesnt mean u dont utilize bussing well and wont hesitate to at any time

[mcqueen]

Cool story brour on me cuz ur trying to follow the majority, not cuz u actually think im scum.

I can detail my reasons more if you want and you can answer them in more detail if you like.

Ok

[mcqueen]

bro like real shit my right ear feels like it’s totally underwater and it’s kinda pissing me off

[mcqueen]

mcqueen

why haven't you mentioned DDL at all

he’s irrelevant

honestly i wanted to call him town earlier but i can see him as scum. The only reason i dont just throw out a read AT THIS POINT is because when i die and flip green i’d rather my real thoughts be out there.

there’s just so many combos for a scumteam right now, it’s quite ridiculous,
RC is never cleared
Enter could be
Ddl could be
Xtoxm still could be
Max could be
Liger could be

That pool contains both scum.

[mcqueen]

RC
I want you to note
wagon resistance
right now
please
also note
that these people are calling me scum
remember when you said you liked the days when you could tell when someone's push on you was fake, because you had no record and there was no reason for people to be paranoia scumreading you?
note that these players, mcqueen especially, haven't really played w/ me at all. he has no idea who i am. use that
watch mcqueen, and also his interactions w/ me especially end of day yesterday when i want to lynch liger to right after I vote buj
does it fascinate you that liger/mcqueen are the only two wagons with any real resistance?
if you trust me at all, at any point in this game, trust me to tell you you were right on mcqeen and on liger earlier. the problem is they're trying to distract you w/ the fact that there's v real saudade this game in xtoxm
i don't even care if you lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong on either of them, but gimme this one shot if I get any respect at all for the games we've finished together
I'm not even asking for credit for it, I'm just asking you to not drag this out and let them give you this crap over me because you'll regret it later if you don't lynch in (mcqueen/liger) today

Enter I played with you in Prey Mafia.....

[mcqueen]

RC is never cleared
Enter could be
Ddl could be
Xtoxm still could be
Max could be
Liger could be

That pool contains both scum.

Is everyone else more or less a town read?

pretty much

[mcqueen]

RC is never cleared
Enter could be
Ddl could be
Xtoxm still could be
Max could be
Liger could be

That pool contains both scum.

Is everyone else more or less a town read?

pretty much

Thoughts on Alisae/RAS slot specifically?

they were town I just didn't like RAS' crappy narrative yesterday and admittedly my vote on them was bad but it was a throw vote

I see Formerfish has replaced into the slot, so we'll see what happens

[mcqueen]

tl,dr; RAS is a big mean to poor DrD.

that's not the tldr. usually town pushes on me go on very forcefully and for a while. It's doesn't evaporate with just a snap.

greatest post ever

[mcqueen]

EE's game solve looks kind of ok? Idk, I like that she tried to narrow it down a bit, but I'm not particularly certain that it's correct, TBH. What do you think of it, Creature?

can u stfu

EE's game solve looks kind of ok? Idk, I like that she tried to narrow it down a bit, but I'm not particularly certain that it's correct, TBH. What do you think of it, Creature?

can u stfu

literally everyone in the fucking playerlist knows it’s ur alt

Is this scum faking anger over something game irrelevant?

creature i know you're not this dense. he was being annoying regardless of alignment

[mcqueen]

Formerfish replaces RAS.

hi i missed u since booneytoonz

[mcqueen]

whatever

just vote mcqueen

Whats your case?

it's a bad one and please don't make him repeat it again. he's been saying the same shit for days now

[mcqueen]

UNVOTE:

leaving for a few hours and won't be able to watch the thread

want more time to question mcqueen and potentially get him to spew buddies

fish getting updated is good too ofc

I'll place it back tonight probably

ask me all u want. when i flip green, you'll be left with nothing you suspect from me

[mcqueen]

whatever

just vote mcqueen

Whats your case?

He broke the speed limit.

got me there

[mcqueen]

Here's my gamestate assessment
We've got a wagon on scum, but did not quickly achieve a lynch.
Liger is aware of the fact that we have not yet achieved the lynch and thinks there is glimmer of hope -> unvotes to build paranoia
Wagon paranoia is increasing
RC doesn't want to end day because while he thinks mcqueen is >85% scum, he doesn't wanna risk the 15% on his record, and him declaring wagon as final means he's taking liability for the wagon
This could easily lead to wagon dissolving over time due to development of a "what if he's town" read on mcqueen
Which could (and might) lead to the mcqueen wagon dissolving
The whole thing about wagon resistance (even if there's only one or two scum in the game) is that if scum is on teh wagon, they will be trying to build paranoia/unvote/etc if the wagon is on scum, resulting in wagon falling apart
if the wagon is on town, they will be pushing for wagon to end day
if scum isn't on the wagon, that's one player that's ahrder to convince if the wagon is on scum
and easier to convince if the wagon is on town
For this reason it is much easier to lynch town than scum - if mcqueen was town, scum would have pushed for his lynchsensed that people are ok w/ ending day right now and hammered

It's hilarious how exactly what I said yesterday - that town was too indecisive - is currently haunting you now. You're so desperate on my lynch but as a block you can't pull through with it. And when I flip, everyone will see how bad your scumread on me is, and I'll have a blast in the dead thread.

[mcqueen]

This game has the potential to be another Civilization mafia.

Is it too hard to hit 15k posts before game ends?

I'm at 850+ rn

Oh, you want to hit 15k posts

individually

? Okay let's race then.

ur on, can't beat lightning mcqueen

[mcqueen]

It was fun to mislynch him in that bus driver game.

lol we mislynched him again

is this a scumclaim

[mcqueen]

i'm taking that as a yes regardless

[mcqueen]

Its literally creature and RC

[mcqueen]

Im town dude

[mcqueen]

What if u just stopped posting in general

[mcqueen]

Enter, I don’t hate you and honestly I hope you know that this was (mostly) all within the game and not any kind of hatred towards you, but goodness your incorrect tunnel on me was annoying as I’ve said.

[mcqueen]

mcqueen what are your other reads?

I gave a pool of players where scum reside

Lemme quote it for u real quick

[mcqueen]

mcqueen

why haven't you mentioned DDL at all

he’s irrelevant

honestly i wanted to call him town earlier but i can see him as scum. The only reason i dont just throw out a read AT THIS POINT is because when i die and flip green i’d rather my real thoughts be out there.

there’s just so many combos for a scumteam right now, it’s quite ridiculous,
RC is never cleared
Enter could be
Ddl could be
Xtoxm still could be
Max could be
Liger could be

That pool contains both scum.

Add creature because while he was town when he was here he coasted a lot and he could easily be scum if rc ever flips scum

[mcqueen]

Ok, so that leaves or (DDL), Xtoxm, Max, and Liger. Pretty similar to a lot of other people's lists, but yeah.

[mcqueen]

im literally town idk what u want me to say

[mcqueen]

im literally town idk what u want me to say

Most likely to be scum on your wagon and most likely to be town and why?

im really lazy to check but hold on

[mcqueen]

My wagon in chronological order

or, Enter, MaxwellPuckett, RadiantCowbells, Ankamius, Dannflor, Liger_Zero, Reiuji Utsuho

Town to scum list

Dannflor, Ankamius, Reijui Utsuho, Radiant Cowbells, Enter, Liger_Zero, or, MaxwellPuckett

[mcqueen]

My wagon in chronological order

or, Enter, MaxwellPuckett, RadiantCowbells, Ankamius, Dannflor, Liger_Zero, Reiuji Utsuho

Town to scum list

Dannflor, Ankamius, Reijui Utsuho, Radiant Cowbells, Enter, Liger_Zero, or, MaxwellPuckett

Dannflor

, his recent play and honest questioning of me seems legit. We had suspicion of him earlier in the game, but I just don't see his recent play coming from scum.

Ankamius

, similar reasoning to Dann, except Ank has been more stable. I feel more strongly about Dann, however, which is why Dann comes first.

Reiuji Utsuho

, (s)he's been pretty consistent throughout the game. Pretty universal townread, although I feel like she could be doing more as of late.

Radiant Cowbells

, honestly I'll never know where to rank RC. From a normal perspective, it seems like they're actually hunting and trying to win from a town mindset.

Enter

, falls so low just because there are other players I feel more strongly about. Also, he claims he wasn't tunneling me when for about 5 pages straight he protests how Liger and I are scum together.

Liger_Zero

, here's where it starts to get hard to rank them. Of the three left, I felt like Liger's been the most productive, so they get the "towniest scumread" nod.

or

, I don't like the replace in on his alt just to appease the rest of the players that did it (most of them are townreads). Most of his posts are very generic, although there were a couple I found decent.

MaxwellPluckett

, I know I said 'screw him as a scumread' yesterday, but honestly what good posts has he made? His sucking up to me as I defended him yesterday was so fake, he's done that kind of thing to multiple people, but the consensus seems to ignore it. Why? Very few if any of his posts provide genuine content, at least since late yesterday.

[mcqueen]

As for the rest...

Formerfish

, after BooneyToonz I feel like I could theoretically read him/you well, but you haven't been in the game long enough, so you're null.

Jingle

, other than Dannflor, probably my best townread. All of their posts feel genuine, even though they've kind of coasted today.

Vedith

, same as with Jingle. He's really coasted today, but I felt like early on he was making honest attempts at playing the game, which from my limited experience with him comes from town!Vedith.

Xtoxm

, honestly, I've gotta lay off of him a bit. He's got a head and is one of the few people to actually not scumread me. Will he lead town or is he anywhere near the towniest person in the game? No, but I think he deserves credit for getting my alignment right.

Creature

, he's been memeing a lot lately, and I don't like his posts I quoted saying "we [+RC] mislynched him [me] again." I thought he was town earlier, but what did he do before replacing in as Creature? Lurking a lot, and once again, if RC ever flips scum, Creature is most likely to be his buddy.

[mcqueen]

I'm off for the night, cheers