Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Formerfish]

Jingle and RC, where are we at?

[Formerfish]

Jingle and RC, where are we at?

ISO mcqueen and DDL and share your thoughts, please.

How about you point me in more of a focused direction, they have about 400 posts between them.

[Formerfish]

Jingle and RC, where are we at?

ISO mcqueen and DDL and share your thoughts, please.

How about you point me in more of a focused direction, they have about 400 posts between them.

Alright
Specifically look at DDL and try to establish a read on him.

Ok, lets try this a different way.

How would you describe the issue with mcqueen and DDL? Narrow the scope here man?

[Formerfish]

RC, are you 100% (or as close as you can be) on the Alisae/RAS slot?

If thats a real thing I hope that with me replacing in will allow for a little time to show im town.

[Formerfish]

Fish if you don’t want to read just say you don’t want to read lol

I thought I was making that clear?

I am not reading a 200 page game as a replacement.

I can get reads a different way.

[Formerfish]

RC, are you 100% (or as close as you can be) on the Alisae/RAS slot?

If thats a real thing I hope that with me replacing in will allow for a little time to show im town.

It's interesting you assumed that meant 100% scum

I based this off creatures posts, made it seem like I was scum for the t/s/t sandwich

[Formerfish]

400 posts is only 8 pages worth of posts my dude

Correction it’s 16 pages. But still not that long

Id still want a narrowed scope. I dont like the idea of going into something like that and combing over every post to see if im missing something when its fucking apparent what you guys want me to see at post xxx 8 pages into it.

[Formerfish]

whatever

just vote mcqueen

Whats your case?

[Formerfish]

I don't think we're looking for you to see something specific

We just need outside thoughts

You got a case for me to look at and dive into?

[Formerfish]

look
skim the iso

or vote mcqueen

i don't care but like
...
the closest thing your'e gonna get to narrowed scope is Prince of Renais reads I quoted from earlier
I think general consensus agrees w/ them

Why are you being so resistant to someone asking for what should be a simple give? I replaced into a large game, asked what to look at. You give me 2 names and nothing else. If you made a case already you would know that and would be able to quickly and easily quote yourself to help me get a foothold here.

Don't want to do that? Cool. Next.

[Formerfish]

I want to know the motivation of sending me in that direction while be evasive to what I am asking of you.

[Formerfish]

Well why didnt you say RC was voting him?

Whats the vote count at?

[Formerfish]

I want to know the motivation of sending me in that direction while be evasive to what I am asking of you.

in what way am I being evasive at all?

I asked for a case, you told me to go read. I asked again and you complained about me not reading. I asked again and you said ddl is scum or he isnt...

Is this you being clear?

[Formerfish]

Whats Jingles case on Liger?

Whats mcqueens on Xtox?

[Formerfish]

Jingle and RC, where are we at?

I'm afraid you replaced in an outed scum slot, my friendo

I didnt. I replaced into a town slot. If you push to lynch based off my preds ill be forced to fight you.

[Formerfish]

I have no interest in ending the day until RC declares the wagon as final.

Why is your end day dependent on RC?

[Formerfish]

Formerfish replaces RAS.

hi i missed u since booneytoonz

Hi Mc. Why shouldnt i lynch you/who should I vote for?

[Formerfish]

@FF, There's a bunch of >>rand town slots and a bunch of meh slots and a complete lack of any sort of organization.

for the most part anyone with the capability of being a town leader is both bored AF and not efforting. Both me and RC agree that you're town, so feel free to never be lynched.

Additionally, Rei and EE purty obvtown to everyone. I include Ved in the town bucket.

I'm assuming Ank is town unless evidence to the contrary forces me to, because she's the most likely to effort at this point and her being town simplifies things. Also that slot did a wonky fakehammer that turned out to be a lolhammer on scum.

L0 replaced lurker gamma and has been being all aggressive-y today but still isn't getting townreads, probably because he likes getting in slap fights and being abrasive. I should probably ISO that, but again, bleh.

Dannflor and or both replaced grossslots and I'd be down for lynching either tbh, but my reread makes me less sure. I also waffle considerably on X.

MP is low impact replacing a low impact flake, so probably a good lead? I dunno. Creat looks town AF.

Haven't gotten far enough to reevaluate again, but Creat/RC slots were both locktown for me before I started my reread.

You didnt mention Mc or DDL, they seem to be the soup de jou, why the absence?

[Formerfish]

I don’t feel so good

Just put your head between your knees and breathe. Im going to take your temp, just need to get a 2 hand grip on your shoulders...

[Formerfish]

Fish, have you looked at anything DDL yet

I picked up my daughter from school, went out to eat with her and shes in the bath now. So no, I havent looked at anyone, and I probably wont look back much unless I need to. Ill get tonal reads for today and then work from there. I should be in a much better position sea legs wise tomorrow.

[Formerfish]

or = ddl

Lots of replacements this game...

[Formerfish]

Grapes wagon is just eh.

Grapes wagon is just eh.

Is your problem with it Grapes or the people voting Grapes?

Grapes. Like hes not obv town but there are much better lunches in the horizon. Plus the speed that the wagon developed smells a bit opportunistic, like people wanting off attn on Buj

ok I'll be specific then

do you make anything of these posts late Day 1

No.

Ask creature, Mc or jingle about my town play in our last large together. I wasnt on a scum lynch day 1 and then i mislynched 2 days in a row. Im sure I could pull up posts of mine from that game that would look a lot like the ones you posted from ddl.

[Formerfish]

You haven't read any of the game?

I've read from when I've replaced in and if anyone has quoted posts I've read those as well.

[Formerfish]

hm okay

it's not the fact he wasn't on the d1 scum lynch, but how he deflected it/didn't out right defend grapes while pushing a mislynch

not incriminating on its own though

Like I said, this is the same type of argument people attempted to use against me. Maybe I should go back and see who it was that actually pushed the idea, scum or town.

[Formerfish]

Jingle and RC are town for me until they aren't. Trust that if they have an anti town agenda it will show itself eventually. Games go a lot better if you trust but verify those two.

[Formerfish]

feels like an easy way to mislynch me later w/o interacting w me

Why do you jump to this conclusion? Seems like a small thing to latch on to for a future mislynch pocket. Is there something more to his read between yous two?

[Formerfish]

Ask creature, Mc or jingle about my town play in our last large together. I wasnt on a scum lynch day 1 and then i mislynched 2 days in a row. Im sure I could pull up posts of mine from that game that would look a lot like the ones you posted from ddl.

You could atleast not self-meta.

I'm saying I don't find him suspicious for that because town me did the same thing. I'm not using my meta to clear me...

[Formerfish]

You got skin in the game?

[Formerfish]

im literally town idk what u want me to say

Most likely to be scum on your wagon and most likely to be town and why?

[Formerfish]

I'm skimming like 10 pages back to get current. Once I do that I hope my computer works to dig in a bit more. Anyone around?

[Formerfish]

i really just want to know who the scum are

Why haven't you solved the game yet? Haven't you honed your skills to solve on day 1 because you're a n1 nk option all the time? You being alive on day 4 should be a godsend to you, what's holding you up?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: formerfish

This vote is interesting because I am being hard defended by enter, who you are hard defending to others.

You have enter as hard town, and he has me as hard town, why is he wrong but you're right?

[Formerfish]

Also a bit odd that as soon as I start posting 3 votes get dropped on me after it seemed like I was being taken off the block for today. Guess I'm the counter wagon to scum!or?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: FormerFish

Where's your progression here? I attempted to iso back to see it myself but got bored when I couldn't find mentions of scumreading my slot.

[Formerfish]

why do you ask this to me and not ank

I was getting to that. I saw the same thing with them voting me and tring Jingle while jingle is also hard defending me.

[Formerfish]

Also a bit odd that as soon as I start posting 3 votes get dropped on me after it seemed like I was being taken off the block for today. Guess I'm the counter wagon to scum!or?

it doesn't have to do w/ you starting to post

How would you know as not one of the people who voted?

[Formerfish]

FF why is your defense of yourself "your townread townreads me" as opposed to "im town"

I'm saying why not trust the person you are tring if you have doubts.

[Formerfish]

Also a bit odd that as soon as I start posting 3 votes get dropped on me after it seemed like I was being taken off the block for today. Guess I'm the counter wagon to scum!or?

it doesn't have to do w/ you starting to post

How would you know as not one of the people who voted?

bc he's read the last 10 pages

So did I. It seemed like in the last few pages a lynch pool was being made and I wasn't on it. Then suddenly 3 votes.

[Formerfish]

Lynching me will just cost town another vanilla.

I honestly don't care if you guys lynch me. I replaced in to help move the game along. If you all agree that my death tells you something about who is scum, then vote away.

[Formerfish]

of course the poe lynchbait pool is town

it's FormerFish + Jingle lol

Imagine you're living in a world where you're dead wrong (otherwise known to the rest of us as reality), where do you do then?

[Formerfish]

Lynching me will just cost town another vanilla.

I honestly don't care if you guys lynch me.

I replaced in to help move the game along. If you all agree that my death tells you something about who is scum, then vote away.

this is the least genuine of all the "idc if i die actually" that I've read the last few days

I have nothing invested in this game. I legit don't care. You want my not caring to be more heartfelt?

[Formerfish]

Imagine you're living in a world where you're dead wrong (otherwise known to the rest of us as reality), where do you do then?

You make it sounds like that wasn't the case since Day 2.

I don't know what you mean. I replaced in towards the end of day 3.

[Formerfish]

I'm fine with [fish,jingle,or,myself] being the lynch pool

I feel good about fish flipping red

Lynchpool

I know you don't agree with it yet but that's what I'm thinking

and I have to be in it because despite my best fucking efforts I apparently haven't obv towned enough but as long as we hit the scum team first it'll be fine

Why wouldn't you just give a 3 person lynch pool then? You would know your own alignment and I would guess that you would want the other 3 names to go before you, right? So why put yourself in there if you are town?

[Formerfish]

Alright, so we have difficulty maintaining a constant PoE between players in the town block and we have trouble keeping the PoE w/in a specific number of players. Right now if we don't lynch scum in the next three days, we lose. That means you can have 1 scum in a pool of 3 or 2 scum in a pool of 4. I proposed a pool of 4 earlier that contained both scum. You just proposed a completely different lynch pool that contained 2 players which were outside the pool before and without contesting or pushing against the players currently in the pool. Even if you fully believe in the lynch pool you proposed, maintaining and pushing that without having a good solid clear on all the players before is a good way to keep town in general confused on who to lynch and the overall lynch pool of town is quite large. If we lynch in the pool you listed right now and there is only one scum in it (you) then we end up in lylo w/ 3 possible scum candidates that have large amounts of contention about them for like the entirety of the game.

that's fair

I am getting carried away and excited

and maybe not useful right now

I just want to get to the end of this game and win

but I should take a break for a bit and come back because I'm getting weirdly frustrated and emotional and that's gonna help no one

This is a weird walk back. Basically it sounds like you got antsy and starting tilting at windmills.

[Formerfish]

formerfish if you are going to push me you should just call me scum instead of hinting at it

Listen man, right now we just dancing. If you dont like the song we can switch, but don't try to take the lead away from me right now. You don't get to run away with your tail tucked and then try to throw shade at me for calling you on it.

[Formerfish]

Enter, it's not me

What's not you?
Be specific.

I'm not the FF partner you're looking for

Since I'm town, that might actually be a correct statement.

[Formerfish]

I feel like the fact that no one else is picking up on what I'm saying is...

Did you want us to step on your toes with Dann?

[Formerfish]

FF is the only slot left on the grapes that could possibly be a bus imo

The idea that my slot is the only one on that lynch that looks like a bus is incredibly advantageous to your viewpoint. I noticed you were off that lynch with your vote being holstered at lynch.

So my slot is more likely to be scum because it was on the lynch, than your slot which was off the lynch?

[Formerfish]

Hey Enter.

[Formerfish]

When did you come into the game?

[Formerfish]

Not like i didnt know you were playing, but there have been a lot of replacements and I dont know when people came in.

[Formerfish]

I was looking back at the day 1 lynch because Dann is making the claim of my slots vote being a bus vote, right?

And I found that Dann holstered his vote and went back to see if I could figure out why or where his vote was before EOD. I ran across a strange set of posts from Dann, take a look:

Probably Scum buddy trying to cover for another.

nah I hard bus my scum buddies \o/

Says this right before soft defending grapes and feigning indifference to the wagon.

Grapes might be scum just for his Eagle vote, though I'm lacking any other context to his wagon

Lycan probably town for hammering regardless of the flip?

Question, what reads did people have on DT before he replaced out? Like where is the perception of my slot generally this game ignoring replacement shenanigans

Then this is just awk af. Asking what people thought about their pred... why does it matter if you are town?

[Formerfish]

Also RC

scale from 1 to 10
How much do you believe in an FF flip right now?

Do you wanna make that a town or scum flip, or just a flip?

[Formerfish]

i refuse to answer that question. i don't want this day phase to be about my reads.

i feel like if i were leading in the correct directions scum would have either ignited or tried to set me up as a mislynch by now.

I like this as a very town answer. Scum!RC would, imo, want to drive a lynch even if it were more subtle than pointing and others following. I think scum!RC would be able to give a credible reason and back it up for a mislynch.

[Formerfish]

i refuse to answer that question. i don't want this day phase to be about my reads.

i feel like if i were leading in the correct directions scum would have either ignited or tried to set me up as a mislynch by now.

I like this as a very town answer. Scum!RC would, imo, want to drive a lynch even if it were more subtle than pointing and others following. I think scum!RC would be able to give a credible reason and back it up for a mislynch.

*points up*
guys look the sky ! it is there up there!

Trying to contribute where I can.

[Formerfish]

btw I really hate ALL of FF's jabs at me this day phase because it feels very opportunistic since Enter is basically taking the lead on sorting/interrogating me

esp because I was the first one to put forth that he is scum today

but I can't tell if I'm just extremely biased with that

Jabs feels a little, i dont know, dismissive? Have I been saying anything out of line or factually incorrect with knowledge we all share? I think that Ive been able to use your push on me, which I know is a mislynch is it goes through, to get a foothold. Now I need to figure out if you are misled town or misleading scum.

[Formerfish]

No weight given to tiers,

Town:
Jingle, Enter, RC

Null:
Ankamius, MaxwellPuckett, or, Vedith, Creature

Scum:
Xtox, Dann, RU, Liger

And keep in mind this is all based of tone from todays play.

[Formerfish]

Whats scumy about RU or Xtox tone today?

Short answers:

RU- the lost post 5845, then the talk about having to reread, but then gut towning 2 people just a few posts later. And a lot of what looks like fluff posting.

Xtox- I could be on tilt with him because he just beat me in a game, but the play seems similar from there to here.

[Formerfish]

How is Jingle town but Liger scum based off tone

Jingle- I feel like jingle is trying to help game solve, and for me he is one of those players that is town until they show they arent. I havent seen jingle show he isnt town yet, and he got the read on me correct, so maybe some of his others are as well.

Liger- I feel like he just isnt a presence in the thread right now, but when he is posting its fluff.

[Formerfish]

what if we just lynch ddl slot

Depending on the wagon makeup I could get behind an or lynch.

[Formerfish]

i dont want to be lynched anymore

Do you want to play?

[Formerfish]

say I flip town. then what? I don't think my flip unites town at all and will put it in more disarray.

DDL, are you just disinterested in game? What is going through your brain?

if we are going through a lynch order solve, my lynch definitely gives the most information so

hmm

I've never seen a current slot get lynched by their pred. I would 100% approve of this slot being hung (hanged?) now.

[Formerfish]

I've never seen a current slot get lynched by their pred. I would 100% approve of this slot being hung (hanged?) now.

it's the same person

Like a main replaced an alt situation?

[Formerfish]

alt replaced a main but yea

Then yeah, he can swing even harder.

[Formerfish]

i really don't feel like it, liger. Sorry.
I know you're trying to help me here.

Coming up with fabricated reads and fake reasons for those fabricated reads is hard. Then supporting your false narrative with your fake reasons for those fabricated reads is tough to keep up with. Much easier to fade away.

[Formerfish]

i really don't feel like it, liger. Sorry.
I know you're trying to help me here.

Coming up with fabricated reads and fake reasons for those fabricated reads is hard. Then supporting your false narrative with your fake reasons for those fabricated reads is tough to keep up with. Much easier to fade away.

Not helping my dude.

This is what I do. I shake trees and see what comes out. Someone not wanting to explain their reads is scummy. There has to be a reason this late in the game that someone is reading someone they way they are. Can he articulate where that scumread comes from? It will help us identify if he has a town mentality or a scum one and will help us lynch or clear him.

Him not wanting to partcipate hurts himself and us if he is town.

[Formerfish]

I want to sit tight, not get lynched, sheep town lynch scum, and be invigorated into finding the

last

arsonist

What do you mean last?

why are you not voting me FF

My knowledge is based of play ive seen, you havent been posting that much today, and other people have been more tasty morsels for my interogative pleasure. I'm willing to sheep some peeps on you though.

[Formerfish]

well theres 3 arsonists, one is down,

one is gone via the "sheep town lynch scum" strat

, so there's one left

What is the STLS strat? I guess im just confused because it seems like you are associating this with a person in particular, otherwise we still need to find 2.

[Formerfish]

ff relax you did not get a scumslip

Im not looking for one, im looking to understand your post. You could answer my question instead of trying to deflect it.

[Formerfish]

What is the STLS strat? I guess im just confused because it seems like you are associating this with a person in particular, otherwise we still need to find 2.

???????
Sheep town
Lynch Scum

I dont see whats there not to understand

I am asking you for the name you would put in your vote when you went to vote for individual #2 in this situation where individual #1 was lynched on day 1 and individual #3 is a known unknown.

That would be the easiest way to explain it to me.

[Formerfish]

UNVOTE:

What has he done that made you do this? The fact that dann voted him?

[Formerfish]

What is the STLS strat? I guess im just confused because it seems like you are associating this with a person in particular, otherwise we still need to find 2.

???????
Sheep town
Lynch Scum

I dont see whats there not to understand

I am asking you for the name you would put in your vote when you went to vote for individual #2 in this situation where individual #1 was lynched on day 1 and individual #3 is a known unknown.

That would be the easiest way to explain it to me.

oic. well first i have to figure out where to sheep, and its not helping that all the votes are on me rn

Sheep Jingle, RC and Enter they are town as fuck.

[Formerfish]

UNVOTE:

What has he done that made you do this? The fact that dann voted him?

I need a reason for why you pulled out of or.

[Formerfish]

UNVOTE:

What has he done that made you do this? The fact that dann voted him?

I need a reason for why you pulled out of or.

Its Mcqueen all over again. Not having it.

Explain that further?

[Formerfish]

Wasnt the Mcqueen lynch between him and DDL which is or for some fucking reason?

[Formerfish]

UNVOTE:

What has he done that made you do this? The fact that dann voted him?

I need a reason for why you pulled out of or.

he knew they were flipping town and were gonna get lynched regardless of what he did. so he went full "hey look how town I am" mode.

after reread I stand by this read. going to case this either tonight or tomorrow.

I also took it as a or shit my partner might actually get lynched here and I need to pull my vote fast to try and derail it. Look how quickly hes turned down a different avenue with little answers coming from or that would have assuaged his doubts...

[Formerfish]

UNVOTE:

What has he done that made you do this? The fact that dann voted him?

I need a reason for why you pulled out of or.

Its Mcqueen all over again. Not having it.

Explain that further?

Liger...

[Formerfish]

I also took it as a or shit my partner might actually get lynched here and I need to pull my vote fast to try and derail it. Look how quickly hes turned down a different avenue with little answers coming from or that would have assuaged his doubts...

this is garbo reasoning. im 80 percent getting lynched, not might actually get lynched

This is a weird hill for you to try and die on.

[Formerfish]

I explained. Stop sucking RCs dick for a minute and go read.

Was it recently? I dont remember you talking about how and or lynch reminded you of mcqueen when you unvoted or.

[Formerfish]

I'm parking my vote on maxwell.
shoshin said he's scum.
mcqueen said he's scum.
I think he's scum.

This is the best sheep town lynch scum strategy

Good job, now go play in the corner, adults are talking.

[Formerfish]

Liger, I do better with natural interactions. If you dont want to answer my questions thats fine, but it would be easier for me to read you that way.

[Formerfish]

Good job, now go play in the corner, adults are talking.

fuck off mate

Let me rephrase, youve made it clear that you dont care about explaining your own reads and are going of off reads of dead people to vote park on someone who isnt even really in the talks for a lynch today. If you have something you would like to contribute to an actual discussion that would be fantastic.

[Formerfish]

There is nothing natural about the way you interact with people. You have disingenuous way of interacting with people here.

I have questions and I like when people answer then without being hostile, its weird I know, but its my thing.

You are being hostile for an unknown reason. Its kinda like when you have a toothache and you keep messing with it with your tongue. I wanna know why you are being aggro with me.

[Formerfish]

You have disingenuous way of interacting with people here.

And if you could explain this I would appreciate it. Its game relevant in case you wanted to know.

[Formerfish]

man I still kinda think it's ff/ddl

Youre definitely half wrong.

[Formerfish]

dannflor i'd vote ff if you want to start there

Where wouldnt you vote right now?

[Formerfish]

Youre definitely half wrong.

is this your cheeky way of saying you're scum if I flip town?

Or I know im town, so I know at least half of his equation is defintely wrong, you have high scum equity.

[Formerfish]

First of:
I explained without directly responding to you exactly my concerns and why I thought this was a repeat of McQueen. So that is why I think you are being disingenuous with saying "I have questions and I want answers", because the answers exist if you just read that last page.

I asked if you had done it recently as I didnt remember seeing it. I dont think it is an unreasonable thing to ask what I did. I actually get a little annoyed when people do it and scumread them a little for being evasive and a bit abusive in the way people tend to defend facts already in evidence and a percieved laziness in looking for them.

Secondly:
I see you poking other people and I tell you to not do it, and you are still doing it. So that bugs me and I don't think its really for sorting anything really nor to vent. Because I see nothing to say that is why you are doing it.

You pointing out you dont like something I did doesnt mean I auto stop doing it. And you dont need to see why I do it, I do.

Third:
I don't get where you are going with anything.

Again you dont have to until I make a decision.

[Formerfish]

here it is.

There is more on the next page or so.

I dont want you to feel like im antagonizing you here, but you do realize that the way you are treating or when he asked for info from you is a complete 180 from the way you treated me?

You even quoted yourself after he couldnt find it after you told him where to look. You just scolded me and told me to go read something in a 260+ page game...

[Formerfish]

or = ddl

Lots of replacements this game...

He already knew they were the same person or should ahve known it

How was I supposed to know an alt account replaced into its own main account? I knew there were replacements, but I don't know alts well enough to know who's are who's. I knew there was a replacement on that slot, not that they were the same person.

[Formerfish]

Jingle and RC are town for me until they aren't. Trust that if they have an anti town agenda it will show itself eventually. Games go a lot better if you trust but verify those two.

Why Jingle?

It's how I've decided to read certain players. Over time I've realized that some players are hard to impossible for me to accurately read, so I kinda don't. I assume some people are town until they show otherwise. It's just how I approach the game and certain players.

[Formerfish]

FF why is your defense of yourself "your townread townreads me" as opposed to "im town"

I'm saying why not trust the person you are tring if you have doubts.

This is a good point by RC and a less good one by FF

How so? Me shouting that I'm town doesn't do anything to change people's mind if they see me as scummy. My attempt there was to show people they might be wrong scum reading me, and if people they are strongly town reading are strongly town reading me then one of those people are wrong. If multiple people who are being tred by multiple other people are saying the same thing about me then maybe the truth is I'm town and the others are just trying to keep me viable for a mislynch later on, since we appear to be eliminating potential hiding slots.

[Formerfish]

I just wanna say every single one of his posts makes my stomach turn so I don't know if I can look at FF's posts objectively

the way he words things and asks questions is just so slimy imo

so I'll probably try to evaluate Alisae/RAS more

I don't like the characterization without any supporting evidence. This is nothing but an ad hom attack. And I love how you say you're going to sort my slot based off my preds. Why haven't you gotten better read on me yet if that's how you're evaluating me?

[Formerfish]

Lynching me will just cost town another vanilla.

I honestly don't care if you guys lynch me. I replaced in to help move the game along. If you all agree that my death tells you something about who is scum, then vote away.

FF has a lot of individual scum cred for posts like this

Than lynch me bro. I'm not sure how me stating the obvious that I am much less invested in the outcome of this game as other people in here are. I joined the game because I saw that NSG wasn't getting any offers to replace in and I'm waiting on other games to fill. If you wanna lynch this slot to move the game forward than let's get it the fuck on.

[Formerfish]

Lynching me will just cost town another vanilla.

I honestly don't care if you guys lynch me. I replaced in to help move the game along. If you all agree that my death tells you something about who is scum, then vote away.

FF has a lot of individual scum cred for posts like this

Than lynch me bro. I'm not sure how me stating the obvious that I am much less invested in the outcome of this game as other people in here are. I joined the game because I saw that NSG wasn't getting any offers to replace in and I'm waiting on other games to fill. If you wanna lynch this slot to move the game forward than let's get it the fuck on.

[Formerfish]

Jingle and RC are town for me until they aren't. Trust that if they have an anti town agenda it will show itself eventually. Games go a lot better if you trust but verify those two.

Why Jingle?

It's how I've decided to read certain players. Over time I've realized that some players are hard to impossible for me to accurately read, so I kinda don't. I assume some people are town until they show otherwise. It's just how I approach the game and certain players.

Right, I get why you do it. That's not my question.

My question is why jingle?

Like why do I tr jingle as a default? I've seen jingle in action and when he's on and town it's a beautiful thing to see. We just finished a game together and had it solved and won on day 2. I can see a thought process that is incredibly transparent and one that I can understand. That all makes him town to me until he shows otherwise.

[Formerfish]

Fluffposting is literally what keeps me in this game. I will go insane if I'm denied of that.

I'm not sure if someone else said something or if you're trying to say something about me, but I never said you mostly post fluff, I was responding to this and asking how you approach the game.

I said something about RUs fluff posting. I didn't quantify the posting, just said it was there.

[Formerfish]

Fish calm down or take a break.

How am I coming off as uncalm? I dont like when people try to manage me when I'm not in need of it. Please don't do this.

[Formerfish]

Fish calm down or take a break.

How am I coming off as uncalm? I dont like when people try to manage me when I'm not in need of it. Please don't do this.

Stop responding the way you've been responding, it's not helpful. If you're calm, control should be easily attainable and I shouldn't have to ask.

Ok, but just because you say I need to calm down doesn't mean I'm not calm. If you showed where you think I was being uncouth it would help me understand where you're coming from with saying that.

However, telling me to calm down is going to have the normal reaction for most people, i.e. not the one you're advocating for...

[Formerfish]

Like why do I tr jingle as a default? I've seen jingle in action and when he's on and town it's a beautiful thing to see. We just finished a game together and had it solved and won on day 2. I can see a thought process that is incredibly transparent and one that I can understand. That all makes him town to me until he shows otherwise.

What is beautiful about Jingle's play this game that is causing you to TR him?

I don't know if you aren't understanding what I'm saying or if you are being intentionally obtuse.

My default read on jingle is town. Jingle needs to show scum mentality for me to change that read. Jingle hasn't done that, so defualt setting is still in acted.

[Formerfish]

I did show you where

Can you point that out to me, it must not have been clear enough for me to see.

[Formerfish]

I see you joined in 2013. Have you been playing mafia consistently since then? How has your game changed over time?

I've played mostly consistently with a few long stretches of time in between.

And I doubt many people would agree to this, but I'm more reserved in my play, less frantic with my votes and reads. I have been working on building reads from interactions and not confbiasing as much. I've been spending a lot of time in the newbie list to try and refine my scum hunting. It's going with mixed results.

[Formerfish]

Enter, that's not me being mad man. That's literally me saying that if you guys feel like my lynch will move the game forward than go for it. No malice to that, no animosity.

If all I'm going to be is lynch bait for the rest of the game because of gamestate reads then I'd rather just eat rope than try and argue against a boogyman.

[Formerfish]

OK that makes some things make a bit more sense.

I'd like you to elaborate on what it sheds light on and how.

[Formerfish]

Enter, that's not me being mad man. That's literally me saying that if you guys feel like my lynch will move the game forward than go for it. No malice to that, no animosity.

If all I'm going to be is lynch bait for the rest of the game because of gamestate reads then I'd rather just eat rope than try and argue against a boogyman.

Whether or not you're mad here, asking us to lynch you doesn't move the game forward or help me or anyone else much at all.

If my slot is one that others are sticking on then my lynch does clear that up. Once I'm dead and flipped town people won't be able to hide behind my push. All the associative reads with me as scum will vanish in an instant and you guys will have a different game state. I've come to figure out some slots just need to die for town to get over themselves. My slot might be one of those slots.

[Formerfish]

Whats scumy about RU or Xtox tone today?

Short answers:

RU- the lost post 5845, then the talk about having to reread, but then gut towning 2 people just a few posts later. And a lot of what looks like fluff posting.

Xtox- I could be on tilt with him because he just beat me in a game, but the play seems similar from there to here.

hey fish.
im town this time
your slot is a priority sort for me rn
you still around?

I am. Forgive me if I don't cowtow to you saying you're town. You did the same thing last game and then sat back as town tore into me and giggled your way to a win.

[Formerfish]

yeah thats cool, can you help me understand some of your other reads.
you have creature at null, i think he's done enough even on todays content to have a read on him.
could you go into that one?

Off the cuff I'd say I got the feeling like there was nothing concrete coming from him, just a lot of quibbiling. If I can unbork my computer I'm going to get on there to dive a little bit to help flesh my feeling out.

[Formerfish]

ok.
have you read 5869?
this was the post that changed my mind on dann.
you think that post is/can be scum motivated?

Who is more important for you to talk to me about right now, creature or dann? If you want me to talk about both at the same time you are going to get nerfed arguments from me. I can focus on one or the other and give you a better read into my mindset and then we can go to the other.

[Formerfish]

I feel alive again

I'm already doused probably

ffs just realised this game is extremelilililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililiilililiililiililililililililily scumsided

Scum will probably keep dousing until they have enough douses to ignite and win.

What are the chances?

or is town

or is town

or is town

or is town

or is town

or is town

or is town

or is town

or is town

or is town

or is town

ffs we were 1 vote away from having another shitty mislynch

Bad news: pretty sure there's on pretty deep scum here.

My computer is a piece and died in the middle of repsonding. I'll try to do it on my phone.

The first few posts from the day start are just empty posting, nothing to move the game ahead until we get to that last quoted on where he posits the idea of deep scum. And idea that or has been running with and catching a fair amount of shit for.

[Formerfish]

Either we seek that deepscum or we're gonna be slaughters like steers.

And here he doubles down on the deep wolf threat we all need to worry about. Not that he gives any reasons to support his idea or why he has come to think that a deep state exits and we exist within it.

[Formerfish]

creature is the single most universally townread slot in this game.
what is his scum motivation for challenging consensus reads?
why not just ride the mislynches others are pushing?

What consensus reads are you talking about specifically? His personal gamble on or being town?

[Formerfish]

Townreads clarified so far:
Enter
Jingle
Ankamius?
Dannflor?

MaxwellPuckett

Personal gamble:
or town

Left:

Liger_Zero
Formerfish
Reiuji Utsuho
Vedith
RadiantCowbells
Xtoxm

I don't see anything earth shatteringly novel in his reads.

[Formerfish]

rei and rc in his left pile is certainly against the grain

And if he is scum he has to have some people he can set aside for later when he might need a mislynch that he could push. RC is especially an easy one to scumpile and not even a little bit controversial. RC is strong as fuck as scum and always is a threat, putting him in a scumpile and then going about his business without ever really doing anything with the read means nothing. Is creature pushing RC as a lynch today?

RU is someone im seeing scum equity in as well, so I cant hate him for that read.

[Formerfish]

have you ever seen creatures scum game?

I dont keep track of my own games that well, much less other peoples. I also know that with a certain strength of player one is able to use their own meta for them and against them at the same time with enough manipulation. Creature is a strong player and would fall into my rubric for that designation.

[Formerfish]

rei and rc in his left pile is certainly against the grain

And if he is scum he has to have some people he can set aside for later when he might need a mislynch that he could push. RC is especially an easy one to scumpile and not even a little bit controversial. RC is strong as fuck as scum and always is a threat, putting him in a scumpile and then going about his business without ever really doing anything with the read means nothing. Is creature pushing RC as a lynch today?

RU is someone im seeing scum equity in as well, so I cant hate him for that read.

this is actually not true. town need a block of 9 players to correctly identify each other to avoid being endgamed in lylo. challenging rc is not something that scum!creature needs to do at all to win this game.

I dont understand how what you said makes what I said not something that could happen. Scum for sure need to set up potential mislynches or they run the risk of painting themselves into a corner and then are forced to 180 on reads that they previously held and now have to manufacture reasons to turn those trs into srs. Its much easier for scum to scumpile someone and then pull them out later as a polished turd for town.

[Formerfish]

What do you make of Creature talking about needing to find the deep wolf and avoid lynchbait, then votes for me?

Would you not think that I, as someone who replaced in and didnt read much past when I replaced in at, would be perfect lynch bait?

And since I have replaced in I have been active and have been attpemting to do what I can to scum hunt, while there are others in the suspect pool who are doing nothing or actively working themselves deeper into a hole.

I am here and will answer any and all questions put to me.

[Formerfish]

im happy for you to move onto my question about dann now if you are

If you dont have any more questions about my thought process on creature sure,

[Formerfish]

ok.
have you read 5869?
this was the post that changed my mind on dann.
you think that post is/can be scum motivated?

Ok, I feel like this is a huge post to basically justify his changing read in what really amount to just me and you. Or is his only static scum read, and I know that his read on me is wrong. I think knowing that a push on me is a push on town helps me inform my read because it makes it really easy for me to discredit his other reads knowing how wrong his is on me.

[Formerfish]

Xtox, what did you think about Enters posts surrounding Danns new list for a scumpool for today?

[Formerfish]

formerfish/ddl still makes most sense to me

but if it's not ddl I don't know who formerfish's partner is

This was a subtle switch as well. Or has been a scum read of his for awhile, and then he started to sr me. Somehow I became the definite scum and or has become my buddy and now interactions are being judged on could they be my partner, not could I be Ors.

[Formerfish]

the problem is xtoxm has constantly asserted that the town block is incorrect and steam rolling through mislynches but offers no actual alternative or opposition

his pushes on prince and enter are vanity

and then when he actually does do something he's "helping this wagon along because X bad reason"

And these 2 come right after taking you off his scum list and putting you into a town bracket. The amount of waffle this guys is exhibiting would be found to be threatening by the likes of Waffle and Huddle House.

[Formerfish]

Xtox, what did you think about Enters posts surrounding Danns new list for a scumpool for today?

could you link me what exactly you are referring to?

I'm fine with [fish,jingle,or,myself] being the lynch pool

I feel good about fish flipping red

and this is right after this as well,

it's out of the four DDL/xtox/Alisae/Max

If its out of us 4, why is jingle there and why did dann include himself in his own lynch pool?

Its starts around there and then Enter comes in with some more along with myself.

[Formerfish]

or's posting at l-1 looked pretty townie to me, while you were absent at the time, so i dont find that switch alarming.

But Dann was still sring Or. It just went from Or being the guy and me being his buddy, to me being the guy and how Or would be my buddy. See, thats why its subtle, its just makes a small adjustment to the power matrix he is creating between or and myself.

[Formerfish]

im talking to fish, and i'd appreciate it if you didnt butt in.

We arent exclusive brother. I can handle outside contributions when they are relevant to the topic at hand.

[Formerfish]

Alright, so we have difficulty maintaining a constant PoE between players in the town block and we have trouble keeping the PoE w/in a specific number of players. Right now if we don't lynch scum in the next three days, we lose. That means you can have 1 scum in a pool of 3 or 2 scum in a pool of 4. I proposed a pool of 4 earlier that contained both scum. You just proposed a completely different lynch pool that contained 2 players which were outside the pool before and without contesting or pushing against the players currently in the pool. Even if you fully believe in the lynch pool you proposed, maintaining and pushing that without having a good solid clear on all the players before is a good way to keep town in general confused on who to lynch and the overall lynch pool of town is quite large. If we lynch in the pool you listed right now and there is only one scum in it (you) then we end up in lylo w/ 3 possible scum candidates that have large amounts of contention about them for like the entirety of the game.

xtox, do you disagree with this assesment of the situation?

[Formerfish]

Enter is, from how I understood it, accusing Dann of widening the potential lynch pool, instead of sticking within a certain established pool without specifically excluding any of the previous people from the pool.

[Formerfish]

he has the facts of the situation correct, yes. we do need a pool of 4 that contains both scum. i dont agree with him on who those individuals are.

And if you are sring Dann, would it be safe to assume you dont like his choices (barring himself) either?

[Formerfish]

Enter is, from how I understood it, accusing Dann of widening the potential lynch pool, instead of sticking within a certain established pool without specifically excluding any of the previous people from the pool.

i would be guilty of the same charge, in that case.

Hey can you go through your progression on my slot again? I need you to clarify something but if I ask it straight out it will give the answer in the question.

[Formerfish]

or's posting at l-1 looked pretty townie to me, while you were absent at the time, so i dont find that switch alarming.

But Dann was still sring Or. It just went from Or being the guy and me being his buddy, to me being the guy and how Or would be my buddy. See, thats why its subtle, its just makes a small adjustment to the power matrix he is creating between or and myself.

Explain the difficulty with this

, I'm not tracking.

Which part? The whole thing? Can you be more specific in your question?

[Formerfish]

No weight given to tiers,

Town:
Jingle, Enter, RC

Null:
Ankamius, MaxwellPuckett, or, Vedith, Creature

Scum:
Xtox, Dann, RU, Liger

And keep in mind this is all based of tone from todays play.

How much of this has changed?

Not much, I would say xtox might be out of the basement, or and creature go down to it. Id have to look back at maxs iso because i dont remember his posts from today. I know hes made some, they just havent stuck, Vedith has been a nonentity so far today.

SO yeah.

[Formerfish]

Which part? The whole thing? Can you be more specific in your question?

Yeah, sorry.

What is weird about him going from saying or is scum with you as a possible buddy to him saying you're scum with or as a possible buddy?

Its a subtle shift away from Or being scum. Like look, Dann has been sring Or for awhile right? Thats the impression i got from what ive read of Danns posts. The one tox asked me to look at had ors slot as the only one that stayed. I was the name he added to it, so he posited that I was ors scum partner. The post I quoted was the 1st where the way he described us changed. To me it looks like a first step in walking away from an or scum read by slying putting the emphasis on me being the lynchpin and not or.

[Formerfish]

Not much, I would say xtox might be out of the basement, or and creature go down to it. Id have to look back at maxs iso because i dont remember his posts from today. I know hes made some, they just havent stuck, Vedith has been a nonentity so far today.

SO yeah.

Xtox changed based on tone, or... ?

His willingness to work with me to flesh out a read is something he didnt do as scum last game. Im willing to pull him into a null read because of that. Theres also another part of what im doing ehre that will hopefully allow me to sort him better, so I guess im allowing for a little time there as well.

And then your reason for spreading creature and DDL? If you've already explained these just call me dumb and I'll reread - it's definitely possible I missed something.

Creature: start at 6848 and youll find what i have on him.

Or: not really, more of a tone read based off his wagon.

[Formerfish]

Its a subtle shift away from Or being scum. Like look, Dann has been sring Or for awhile right? Thats the impression i got from what ive read of Danns posts. The one tox asked me to look at had ors slot as the only one that stayed. I was the name he added to it, so he posited that I was ors scum partner. The post I quoted was the 1st where the way he described us changed. To me it looks like a first step in walking away from an or scum read by slying putting the emphasis on me being the lynchpin and not or.

So your argument is that Dann is trying to redirect from an Or lynch?

Possibly, it would depend on certain things. He could just be keeping both viable at the same time, seeing which way the wind blows to see which way he pushes harder.

[Formerfish]

I am. Forgive me if I don't cowtow to you saying you're town. You did the same thing last game and then sat back as town tore into me and giggled your way to a win.

I take it this looks very little like your current sentiment?

I get snippy sometimes with people who say things im obviously going to disbelieve based off recent events. Tox has no built trust with me to fall back on, and our most recent interaction was subpar. I know this and can prepare for an attempt at pocketing me as well, there are a lot of factors in play and need sorted first.

[Formerfish]

Possibly, it would depend on certain things. He could just be keeping both viable at the same time, seeing which way the wind blows to see which way he pushes harder.

Every player needs two scum reads at least. So you're saying you think he has no thoughts of his own and if another lynch was brought up, he'd be on board with that as well, because he doesn't particularly care one way or another?

I think he has created a narrative that ensures at least 1 mislynch.

Or is a wildcard. If or is town then Dann is setting up 2 mislynches and would push one after the other flipped green, resulting in 2 town flips and more people being doused or lit on fire (i really should have looked at this game before agreeing to sub in, I had no idea we were in a seminightless moutanous game...). If or is scum and is Danns partner it could be Dann parking a vote on or and then when he saw a way to get it off he did and then attempted to minimize his suspicion of or by putting me in the primary scum role.

[Formerfish]

Is there a reason to put xtoxm in the scum list prior to pushing for the tell you wanted to run on him, or...?

Gut read of him was scum, he was doing some of the same scum distancing from the thread that id seem in a prior game. Here is willing to get up close and personal with me and let me see who he is. I didnt expect him to do that and it gives me enough pause to allow myself time to run something. I feel like I can get a good read off how we interact next.

[Formerfish]

FF if you get a chance will you look at the grapes ISO and then tell me if we can clear xtoxm off the fact that everyone else grapes has voted is town?

I assume we are taking the fact that he voted your slot as another plus in his voting for town only right? So in your mind 3 if the 4 votes we're on town.

And yea as far a xtox goes I'm more paranoid for sure; for starters I can't tell if him expecting me to be obv-town in three posts when I clearly hadn't even read the game yet is him as town excited to sort me or scum trying to "box out" a threat real quick. And while it's early for this my crazy brain is telling me ya'll aren't scum/scum though I'm still mostly feeling you out anyways so blah

This doesn't ping me as s/s, this sounds kinda like scum trying to paint someone else as scummy. Why would scum xtox call out his scum partner and then have his scum partner shit on him in thread. This is a good point in favor of to town to me.

Grapes vote in 549 doesn't feel like a bus vote, it feels like a vote against someone who's hitting to close to home. It's like a shot across the bow.

I come out of that feeling much better about tox town.

[Formerfish]

OK. So you think the fact that he pushed you makes him more likely to be scum because you're town and you think he's pushing you as a mislynch?

In short, yes.

Explain how Or makes sense to be scum with him here, I got the impression from your last post that you thought he was willing to lynch either of you, wouldn't the best way to sort this scenario be to push or?

I guess it has less to do with or not being scum, and Dann just having more scum equity in that situation in the fact that he kinda set it up that I could see scumdan do that do save a partner or damn an innocent and that moves Dann up my lynch order above or.

[Formerfish]

FF, what would be your personal ideal lynch order rnow

Right now based off what I have gathered:

Dann > Or > Creature.

[Formerfish]

Enter why you mad?

Everyone gather round, here we have a gaslighting in it's infancy stage. Let's observe to see how it evolves.

[Formerfish]

Because I expected more from you. :/

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Formerfish

This wagon is scummy as fuck. This guy is scummy as fuck for this vote. Dann can get it as well with a side of scattered, topped and chunked hash browns.

[Formerfish]

No. I can argue against naked votes. I mean. I cased you, wanna talk about that? Wanna talk about Dann and widening the lynch pool for no reason? We could talk about a lot, but I don't think me constantly bitching about votes being placed for reasons not being shared.

[Formerfish]

*Can't argue

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Liger

If we are gonna 1v1 this then let's do it right.

[Formerfish]

say I flip town. then what? I don't think my flip unites town at all and will put it in more disarray.

DDL, are you just disinterested in game? What is going through your brain?

if we are going through a lynch order solve, my lynch definitely gives the most information so

hmm

I've never seen a current slot get lynched by their pred. I would 100% approve of this slot being hung (hanged?) now.

could you explain why these two posts I quoted made you get behind an or/DDL lynch?

Ok, so when I read that the first time around I didnt know that DDL and Or were the same person. I dont think that anyone would be expected to know that. I would normally assume that a replacement is a different person. SO with that in mind I had thought that DDL had admitted he was a good lynch informationally, then or replaced in and said the exact opposite. It was like a reverse amish defense where the pred was saying the lynch was ok and the new slot holder is the one who was acting like it was a crazy idea.

Knowing that they are the same person made it worse because he was the one who said it, then mysteriously contradicted himself later on.

[Formerfish]

To me it would show a discongruency that might have been missed replacing into a scum slot. Like the original holder admits that there is some equity to their lynch, maybe that was a way to gain some sympathy, then he replaces out. New guy comes in and is baffled that he is an option, and even goes as far as saying he thinks the lynch will have the opposite effect.

[Formerfish]

Im still waiting on Tox to come in and explain his progression on my slot.

[Formerfish]

I don't know why you are trying to start a fight with me. But here we are.

I'm not. You go out of your way to be detrimental and contrary. You refuse to try to work with town. How are you trying to deny this right now?

You are. This post is proof that you are trying to start a fight.

No he isn't.

[Formerfish]

shrug

[Formerfish]

Its crazy that you wont listen to me and lynch where I want you to now because you cant get out of your own head space, but when im dead tomorrow you are going to steamroll my scumpects?

[Formerfish]

Its crazy that you wont listen to me and lynch where I want you to now because you cant get out of your own head space, but when im dead tomorrow you are going to steamroll my scumpects?

I don't townread you. And the posts you make are hard to follow as far as reasoning goes as being real reasons people form reads. And tbh I would have voted you much earlier but i had a few problems that i am not gonna discuss with that.

I am more of looking for you to clear some players here if you are scum.

We are playing a mountainous game where we havent had any night kills yet, how are you forming your reads? I am looking for logical inconsistencies and am using peoples reads of me as a spring board for those avenues of investigation. In a game like this the only thing we each know is our own alignment if we are town. We need to use that to look for agendas from players where pushes feel forced. This game is hard and stupid and im stupid.

[Formerfish]

@Enter I think you need to like talk to someone bud, and maybe take a solid break from this game my dude.

Stop attempting to gas light him. He isnt even being out of control when hes talking about any of this. He is calmly stating his opinion, you are the one engaging in histrionics.

[Formerfish]

@Enter I think you need to like talk to someone bud, and maybe take a solid break from this game my dude.

Stop attempting to gas light him. He isnt even being out of control when hes talking about any of this. He is calmly stating his opinion, you are the one engaging in histrionics.

Ummmm….why didn't you answer my previous post about your reasoning? WHy did you insert yourself into this "histrionics"?

Why are you focused on or? I have laid out other cases on people who I think could be scum. I agree that my or read is superficial, which is why im not pushing that one as hard. If it were to be him or me I would vote for him obviously, but I think that other people, like i talked about with Dann, have higher scum equity.

And I inserted myself because I have been in his position with people like you winding him up and wished others would admit they see the shit behavior as well. Stop doing what you are doing with enter and either engage him in good faith arguements or just stop with the hyperbole.

[Formerfish]

@Enter I think you need to like talk to someone bud, and maybe take a solid break from this game my dude.

Stop attempting to gas light him. He isnt even being out of control when hes talking about any of this. He is calmly stating his opinion, you are the one engaging in histrionics.

Ummmm….why didn't you answer my previous post about your reasoning? WHy did you insert yourself into this "histrionics"?

Did anyone else just notice what Formerfish did? Cause that looks like fanning the flames while ignoring discussing reads.

Last post I am talking directly to Formerfish:

Its crazy that you wont listen to me and lynch where I want you to now because you cant get out of your own head space, but when im dead tomorrow you are going to steamroll my scumpects?

I don't townread you. And the posts you make are hard to follow as far as reasoning goes as being real reasons people form reads. And tbh I would have voted you much earlier but i had a few problems that i am not gonna discuss with that.

I am more of looking for you to clear some players here if you are scum.

We are playing a mountainous game where we havent had any night kills yet, how are you forming your reads? I am looking for logical inconsistencies and am using peoples reads of me as a spring board for those avenues of investigation. In a game like this the only thing we each know is our own alignment if we are town. We need to use that to look for agendas from players where pushes feel forced. This game is hard and stupid and im stupid.

Logical inconsistencies don't mean much. And if anything I think that would be something a scum player would care more about but I think this is just some philosophy thing.

I am looking for a genuine sorting effort by players and reactions I consider to be normal behavior by someone of my own alignment. I see none of that with you. I don't even get the opposite. So far you have been....an anomaly? I don't know your head space.

Like we could go into your reasoning on Or for instance. Or you could talk about why my reasoning behind Or being town is bad. The problem I have is your reasoning is at best superficial and at worst so easy to fabricate on Or.

Then a page later during this Enter thing he goes here:

@Enter I think you need to like talk to someone bud, and maybe take a solid break from this game my dude.

Stop attempting to gas light him. He isnt even being out of control when hes talking about any of this. He is calmly stating his opinion, you are the one engaging in histrionics.

What is he doing? Cause this looks like avoidance to me.

i love how you ask a question and then post 2 more times about it before i can respond as if im actually doing the avoiding like youre accusing me of. How long did it take me to actually respond? A whole 5 minutes. Fuck me.

[Formerfish]

Okay but why didn't you respond to it first?

I didnt see the last part after i glazed out during the second part. Something about it rubbed me the wrong way and i felt like you werent making the post from a genuine position.

[Formerfish]

I am looking for a genuine sorting effort by players

and reactions I consider to be normal behavior by someone of my own alignment. I see none of that with you. I don't even get the opposite. So far you have been....an anomaly? I don't know your head space.

The bolded makes it seem like you dont think my methods of reaching reads is a valid and acceptable method. Im sorting people, you may just not understand what im doing. Its cool, we havent played together before.

And the fact that you say i dont give off any vibes yet youre pushing me over dann, creature, max, vedith, or or anyone else you might be scumreading. You want the guy who replaced in and has been trying to help game solve with people i feel I can work with.

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Liger and FF I need a lynch pool of at least 2 from both of you

FF, what would be your personal ideal lynch order rnow

Right now based off what I have gathered:

Dann > Or > Creature.

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what am I at?

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This game feels like a bunch of people jerking each other off, while a select group competes to see who can shit on who the most, while another group is basically Mia.

Please vote me to help abort this bad decision of mine.

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This game feels like a bunch of people jerking each other off, while a select group competes to see who can shit on who the most, while another group is basically Mia.

Please vote me to help abort this bad decision of mine.

if you wanted help

you could vote yourself

I could.

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I'd like to lynch someone I think is scum. I'd like to not continually defend myself against undefendable nonissues. I'd love to not be told that people who have actual scum motivated actions are saints compared to me, for what transgressions I don't have a clue of.

I would love to not have to deal with this game and would love for you all scumreading me to eat crow when I flip town. I'm spiteful like that.

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I am kind of blanking on what to think of that.

Good talk.

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Everyone is having existential crisis's about the shit they'll be receiving for their play. Oddly enough, that surprising sliver of self awareness has not caused any of the to rethink their current course of action.

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So par for course I suppose.

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That was a hammer right?

Thank God. I really need to read the slot I'm going to be replacing from now on. And I should probably read the game set up as well. I was fully expecting to have more wrinkles I could attempt to hide behind.

It fucking sucks that my partner couldn't figure out a way to even try and defend me. Thanks for hanging me out to dry, I hope the towncred was worth it.

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