Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[MaxwellPuckett]

K time to read three days of large theme what's up

[MaxwellPuckett]

Hey Liger!
I'll have to read it at some point might as well do it now yknow.
Ank's town btw but that's probably not news

[MaxwellPuckett]

Okay reading tonight's not gonna happen but I'll get it done
Can someone ask my specific opinion on something cool and/or funky fresh

[MaxwellPuckett]

Hey Liger!
I'll have to read it at some point might as well do it now yknow.
Ank's town btw but that's probably not news

So you didn't read the game and somehow deduced that Ankamius is town? :P

Yeah it's wild but I read a page or two back upon replacing in, it's okay though non-chronological reading is very out there I know
:P

Lemme post

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Okay reading tonight's not gonna happen but I'll get it done
Can someone ask my specific opinion on something cool and/or funky fresh

Whats your opinion of Zoids?

Whos Zoids I dont see them in the list

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This game is not a game scum can be indifferent in . 3 v 14 is super tough and clemency is not invested at all

Scums less likely to make this post abt a town slot

My honestly thoughts are I probably should not have played in this game. 17 people is way out of my range and I cant keep track of everyone. The fact that only 1 person is dying per day is not really helping.

And this is kinda townie

Grape was scum and Dolittle didnt like the wagon bc he wanted Buj but towns allowed to be wrong
Was just a skim but like I think this is a pretty townish ISO.

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Like scum could say that abt a town slot who was already being townread but idt Clem was

Pedit ya ok lets see who the doody head is

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VOTE: Rei
So far its a vote on me (town) and wanting to vote someone I think is town and also a sort of lame jab abt me having a gutread on Ank in spite a not reading when Ank had a shitton of posts right when I came in

[MaxwellPuckett]

Can someone tell me who Zoidsboy is, is that one of them anime things

Pedit Oh its Liger.

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Dolittle my man Im Clems slot

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REI is not scum Maxwell try again. Good effort tho

Convince me Rei is town Ill take any excuse not to read the entire ISO

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I was actually sort of thinking this too but I don't think Rei is very invested into the read and didn't think the jab meant much. Seems weak but I definitely was thinking along these lines

Who do you think scum is Liger
I have like -2 reads so far and a ping is a ping

Side note appreciate Eagle helping me get into this.
Idk if its towny but its making my life easier

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She has a cute avi and is very much aware of what's going on with the game. Plus her grapes vote was good

Being aware of the game isnt a towntell

Will check out the grapes vote tho.

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How am I doing either of those things tho

Youre the one who agreed with my Rei thoughts not the other way around and Im asking others opinions to get into the gams best and also read them
If I had given a read in agreement to anyone I might agree but I havent done that once

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UNVOTE:
Grapes vote is a point for Rei but its mostly this string of posts thats really towny
Will read more tomorrow

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town reading because "shitton of posts" is lazy

what about the posts are town to you

this is just avoiding explaining yourself

also terrible vote

Not townreading Ank bc she had a shitton of posts
My impression of Rei questioning the read was that i wasnt allower to have any reads bc Id barely read anything. But I had read Anks posts bc shed posted a lot right then and I thought her whole thing w Enter was p towny

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I was waiting for Booneytoonz extravaganza to finish before I truly call out xtoxm.

He’s scum here like he was in that game.

Gonna need more than that tbh

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Oh.


I understand why Karm is town now.

Does it have to do with the jake long reference because if its that then ya hes uber town

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Idk how much I agree with pressuring a playstyle if you say its regardless of alignment like
Nobody plays the game the same way I cant exactly get behind a meta argument unless youre saying he doesnt do this as town.

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Oh shit hey man I knew we had a game somewhere
Yeah that was fun, been a while

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@Anyone who knows was Clem being pushed seriously at any point this game
Id wanna read there if he was

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The hell happened in this game exactly

Alisae scum goes hard thats all I know and e def went hard in Stellaris

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Might see more of me now that summers rolling around idk yet tho
Took a nice break from ms and i feel better abt shit
Tryna not take things too seriously

I ISOed alisae a bit (sorta) and Jingles probably right

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Im p sure Reis townread already from what I can tell but in case someone isnt i liked how they scumread me on coming in but also gave me room to catch up and town it up
Not that I have the best read of game environment here yet but still

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VOTE: mcqueen
Theres two scum left and like 15 players alive so Im ready for the mislynch train

Which has nothing to do w the mcqueen vote fwiw

If someone is townreading him @me

@Rei Im gonna read piecemeal so waiting for me to be done probs wont work just do ur worst ill town it up or die

[MaxwellPuckett]

Hot take
Convince me?

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Idk whos townreading mcqueen thats why I asked
The vote is bc I think hes scummy

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I still don't get the impression you have any strong reads Max and that you are just looking for people to give you acceptable reads to push. Want to talk about that in anymore detail?

Nah
If i was actually doing that Id just read who influential town wants to push and push that
Idk how youre misreading my intentiond tbh

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i think town loses at this point if I don't feel like I can play town leader without getting mislynched if I don't hit scum immediately.

Idk why youre so worried abt being mislynched I can only guess it almost happened earlier

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i fooled him in LNT and his suspicion of me here just kinda feels genuine
i think both scum are in
liger, rei, dann, jingle, ddl, prince

Idk Im townreading rei and prince and kinda dolittle too
Couldnt scum mcqueen rly easily cite meta on you to push you
Its kindve an unexpected read to me since you just said his meta was bad

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Like why am I here all scum Maxie shopping for reads when theres an entire thread of opinions i could grab for convenience
idk i feel like im pretty obvious trying to interact w people and talk abt their reads and your conclusions arent making any sense
@Liger

[MaxwellPuckett]

Kk Ill take ur word on it
Townreading Prince anyway

Lets talk huh whats up

[MaxwellPuckett]

I kinda like Dolittle tho
Do you have any quotes on that I can read

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I kinda feel like xtoxms gonna turn out to be a Reckoner alt and I'm supposed to have known that for /reasons/

He isnt
Dont know who youre an alt of either and dont super care

Xtoxms probs town too

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I dont know Who, that is

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Maxwell

Talk about DT/Dannflor slot please

Also has your read changed on DDL? How so?

Idk im out the door rn but Dannslot looks kinds like scum u just lynch eventually

Dolittles posting is lame but tbh kinda lynchbaity
The dousing thing is sorta whatever I kinda buy his explanation tho it doesnt look like tryna townslip it just looks like a dumb mistake

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Was obvious to me that igniting is a nighttime thing but its just such a dumb thing to fake

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Three times only during the game, in addition to dousing a player, the Arsonists may ignite, killing all previously doused players.

@por quoting from the rules page... during the game, not at night right?

maybe ask for a mod clarification

Did nsg edit the sample pm bc it doesnt say "during the game" anymore

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That's understandable, but the problem is that he responded and ignored very select posts. He didn't ignore the posts where I wasn't accusing him of anything, but rather only ignored the ones where I was. Even his most recent post quoting me just consisted of a "hmm". There's a very clear pattern here, and it's not something that I would ignore in any situation.

K I read ur case and i wouldnt be surprised at all to see ddl flip town here
I also think ur town so w/e but dolittle obviously knew jingle was scumreading him bc he made multiple posts abt it
what he said he missed was one specific post
No contradiction

I can do this tho
VOTE: Dannflor

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I went back and looked at this cause I initially looked at the sample when this was first brought up, but DDL was quoting the line in the rules. The rules and the sample have different wording for it. Funnily enough, DDL picked the one that helped benefited his initial comments regarding dousing/igniting the most.

Or he picked the one that he read that caused the mistake
Smells confbiasy

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Like yeah i agree its weird and it doesnt help that dolittles missing a bunch of shit but i dont see the point in scum choosing to fake any of the shit you say hes faking
Like when jingle shoved the thing in his face dolittle responded to it
I dont think his postings all that strong here but its not rly scummy

Dann has this feeling of wanting to have a rapport w players and his defence of Renais felt kinda out of place at the time
Like his vote on Ank after asking if its just playstyle differences and being unable to understand her doesnt feel like a great reason for a scumread
Conclusions feel kinda surface like after I replied to him abt my ank townread he didnt rly followup or push me where id expect to be pushed
Feels kinda like not making waves??
Should put more time into this but yeah

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Spoiler: All of dolittles posts since jingles case

why r u here then

make memes and tunnel people duh

Ank not scum with DDL.

i told you im not scum period

you caught me rei

i knew it if i kept repeating im not scum people would believe me.

jingle why should i follow you on dann flor

Full disclosure, I have no idea why we lynched grapes.

Even before I caught up with the game, I would have lynched him just for #1353.

In this post he:

- Forces an awkward transition from Buj to Eagle

- Gives unsubstantiated town reads to three of the people pushing him

- Ignores the

actual

worst vote on his own wagon

#####

Side note: If anyone still didn't think Jingle was obv town the above post should convince you. Scum would be milking all the town cred they could get out of being on their buddy's wagon, especially considering this game has 3 scum and one of them dropped Day 1. Scums are in a bad spot. If a scum bussed here (which I think is possible), they did so to set themselves up in a better position later. Jingle is actively working against this scum win condition.

Scum post. :D

Your catchup and the subsequent townreads mirrors No deadlines almost perfectly.
You scumcased the dead player, did not vote the dead player, and then said that scum on the dead player's wagon would probably grab for towncred by explaining their reads as opposed to sheeping.
You handwaved the bit about DDL by saying Vedith was doing the same thing then deciding Vedith was town after Karm weighed in without actually addressing the bit about DDL.
You seem overconcerned about how people see you.

A hint: engaging me over you isn't a good way to get me to change my read. Engaging me over not you might work though.

all the way from page 50?

ok jingle you may be town

@DDL: What say you?

Here's roughly where I am at:

Town
Dannflor replaced DoubtingThomas
Reiuji Utsuho
Xtoxm *
Karmeleon *
NerfedBuJ
Extrapolated Eagle
Alisae

Null
Prince of Renais replaced PvtUrist
mcqueen
MaxwellPuckett replaced Clemency *
Liger_Zero replaced Gamma Emerald **

Scummy
Jingle replaced Frozen Angel
Vedith
Ankamius replaced Lycanfire *

This looks fake AF.

oh wait you have a case on me on the previous page i missed. maybe you can be scum again

why are my reads fake

Im not seeing where dolittle saw the post before jingle requoted it

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Well i SHOULD have written spoiler there and not quote and i..... dont know why i didnt....
Im gonna go now

[MaxwellPuckett]

mod: Please fix my dumb ass

sure.

-nsg

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I reaaaaally want a DDL lynch.

Like a lot.

I guess I dont have a good reply to that I thought the post dolittle was saying he missed was jingles casepost and that dolittle knew jingle had a scumread bc of jingles other posts where ht mentoons the scumreading a lot
Basically knowing abt rhe scumread =/= knowing abt a specific case
And also bc the unvote mentions dolittle (as a bear but like still)

Its true his replies have been bad and i guess calling it confbias wasnt fully right

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Oh quote accidental but related

[MaxwellPuckett]

mcqueen/clem?

Also still ok w lynching mcqueen

The name is Max tho :P

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I had not been in the thread since you replied to me about your Ank town read. I didn't even have cell service. How do you expect me to "followup or push you where you'd expect to be pushed" if I'm literally not here.

Yuck.

Thought you had
Idk how I was supposed to kno you didnt have service tho

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Danns OMGUS might be fair I literally did skim his ISO based on the scumreads and came away not liking it
But I also like his dolittle opinions and rethinking on ank and enters (super towny) jam sessions
Also pleading w Vedith, kinda

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If either Ank and Enter are scum here literally going page by page and analyzing it w this depth ill laugh
Theres no way this is theatre and i kinda doubt theyre capable of fooling each other like this

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Could be faked, but i dont think he would

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Sorry if I wasn't clear, it doesn't matter whether you knew if I had access to the thread or not. What does matter is that I hadn't been in the thread for a while and hadn't responded to you yet. It's literally a made up reason for voting me. On top of that, you consistently made excuses like "shoulda spent more time on this" and put forth wishy washy reasons for voting that make it easy to either change your read or deflect responsibility for your vote. It's a way of pushing that feels like you were literally looking for reasons to join my wagon as opposed to actually thinking about it.

Shrug yeah it was lazy oh well

Not made up though, stuck out to me at the time but I misremembered obvs

Id like to think as scum Id think more before I did something but idk its been a long time since ive been scum so who knows

Dont remember if I
UNVOTE:
But ill jump on the train

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Lmao
Eagles town for other stuff

Idk who scum is I thought Danns reaction to my bullshit was pretty good
Reis list is actually ok if u take out me and xtoxm

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Your only votes: Dannflor > mcqueen > Rei

Unless you completely 180 on everyone you've voted/scum-read after you unvoted them, how is this list okay to you?

i blatantly said i thought both dann and reis reactions were towny and unvoted them but go off

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Additionally, don't you pretty strongly town read DDL, Maxwell?

townlean rn
was thinking of vedith and liger when i said that i liked it

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And also bc the unvote mentions dolittle (as a bear but like still)

Its true his replies have been bad and i guess calling it confbias wasnt fully right

nvm I guess you changed your mind here?

I started to see where you were coming from a bit here yeah
Still dont know if I would wanna lynch him bc I dont see why scum him chooses to act this way

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Rei's list: Maxwell > Vedith > xtoxm > DDL > Liger.
Your only votes: Dannflor > mcqueen > Rei

Unless you completely 180 on everyone you've voted/scum-read after you unvoted them, how is this list okay to you?

I have other reads besides players Ive voted and I realized Rei was rly towny after getting into the game more
Dann i just understood better from seeing him interact and esp his big reaction and OMGUS vote

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Because your opinions do look like they are being shopped so far? Not seeing much in terms of original thinking but I haven't been really reading your posts as of late so theres that.

Are you reading my posts now Liger
I dont rly care if I get lynched bc the points against me are tbh fair
But if I had to pick a scum on me its Liger
Shit Dann said about me was yeah bad, Ligers doing it here too, not to mention the vote on me amidst other players being suspicious of me
Like he just kinda slides in there w the vote while RAS and Danna are going off

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And like in terms of criticisms against me ive found Danns for example to be pretty valid
Meanwhile Ligers are that Im not showing original thinking which is wild when Im defending both Dolittle and Xtoxm as everyone runs around developing partner associations based on either of them being scum
So yeah i dont think hes reading my posts either

Like if you put any thought to it most of my opinions have been unpopular so idk how you get that theyre shopped from that
Dann was def me following the crowd on that vote but thats one thing among other things
The only player ive rly ingratiated myself to is Xtoxm and if I was shopping for opinions id probably... idk try that on someone a bunch of players arent trying to lynch
But the reason Im TRing xtoxm is mostly bc a) emotional reactions are shit he doesnt fake as scum (obvs scum is allowed to have emotions i HAVE considered that) and b) I read the game Ank was talking abt where xtoxm got mislynched like this
also c) Xtoxm was a bro he reminded me or a game we were in together and said "nice to see you again" and it felt good, sue me

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Liger/Vedith/mcqueen im either scumreading or just not TRing

Buj and Jingle idk

I think ive talked abt why the rest of the list is town for me but Im coming around on dolittle possible scum a bit

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I'm confused as to what your read on DDL is.

He is going back and forth because he is reading the game to see where to make read changes. Isn't that obvious? Seems obvious to me.

Townlean i dont rly want to lynch but i understand the scumread possibility there from Danns pov

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Anything besides this that has you suspicious of Liger?

I also got this feeling earlier from Liger when he was saying I was relying on other players for reads bc I happened to be interested in talking abt reads w other players

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Okay seriously I 100% cant understand how you see that and think "hmm contradiction" and w/o even considering that you may have misunderstood what I meant you go to me being dumb scum that cant keep a read on a single player straight for literally five minutes

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But like, you said Rei's lynch list was good, despite only agreeing with 2/5ths of it?

I also said "besides me and Xtoxm" idk why you cut that part out dude
I saw a couple of players in my scumlist on the list and so my reaction was "list ok just take out my townreads and also me"

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Maxwell seems like the kind of player that will be pretty obvious one way or the other eventually, I don't see a need to sort him specifically atm

This tbh i dont tend to get mislynched unless i completely stop trying
Also I wasnt 100 on Eagle before but he has like zero reason to say "not max today" as scum imo so thats another nail in the town eagle coffin
Im ok bein in the lynchpool in a game w so much obvtown

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What makes Gamma scum?

VOTE: liger

Ignored actual game content to comment on non-game content and was super selective on what they actually responded to

Hell yeah
VOTE: Liger

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10669314

here's another game where Gamma made posts #58 and #88 that showed she wasn't really reading the thread and selectively responding to things

she was also town

I forgot Gamma was the same slot I should ISO them too
Kinda kno how to read gamma

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Do we win if we lynch all of [xtoxm/Max/Liger]?

i'll lynch max if liger is guaranteed to get killed as well if max doesn't flip scum

+1

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like actively aggressive and antagonistic, doing everything to NOT sound survivalistic cuz that way peopel are more likely to townread you without you having to actually put any effort in

I dont think im being aggressive or antagonist like at all

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you remind me of my scum game cuz the thing i do is vote and push one of the towniest players in the game

which you did
to rei :/

Uh
I voted Rei on replace in when you ASKED me to vote w my gut
I hadnt read yet
Rei obvtowned after that and i unvoted
and now ive read more
This is a bad take
Like im certain its extremely obvious i had no read at the time i made my opening posts

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right

which
is why i'm not pushing you right now

i'm just saying
taht's what thought happened in my head

Ok then im confused abt what u were saying to begin with
Like were you explaining your at the time scumread or ur current read

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Tbh idk whats happening right now besides Liger having sortve a wagon and Buj having more much of a wagon and being hammerable
Should I hammer or no someone try to sway me

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you're null

stop stressing

Im not stressing tho some people do think i am bc of how I post
You said something I wanted to dig at though
So if I reminded you of your scumgame
And I point out that the thing I did that reminded u wasnt the whole "voting a widely townread player" when actually in context
Are you agreeing or disagreeing w that and how exactly did it inform ur read if at all

Pedit god holy shit posts lmao

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scum game

please seriously

just bring up one post of me being aggressive and antagonistic towards another player

I dont like this post
Liger just said he thinks ur town so ur asking him to talk about why he said ur scum instead of why he thinks ur town now

Also idt its abt being aggressive or antagonist but actually abt projecting the aura of not caring if ur lynched

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Enter

you are on the liger wagon with Buj and Max

that is your company

Rude

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I dont scumread mcqueen anymore

Back at L-1 lets see what happens my guy


Had to delete the vote hwre in a pedit so i didnt hammwr lmao

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Actually this is fine i forgot its mountainous
VOTE: Buj

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VOTE: nerfedbuj

Really BOTH the votes i wanted to make get stolen

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Youll hafta lynch me b4 you lynch Xtoxm anyway so thats fine

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Maybe after Max, assuming game doesn't end of course mcqueen.

Nah fuck Max he’s town per his posts during this shitshow we just had

mcqeen gets all the townpoints gbye scumread gone
(This is a serious actual read and not a bullshit reverse OMGUS townread bc mcqueen happened to be on my side for something but considering im mislynch bait as we approach lylo scum has zero reason to post this w this timing imo)
IMaybe doesnt apply if he goes back on it later but w/e

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Enter you are also freaking out here lets chill

Also @mcqueen i gotchu man dw i wont prime u

[MaxwellPuckett]

Max, I am going to copyright that. That is golden term "reverse omgus"

Ty Ty
Im sure theres a better or actual word for it but im just gonna use this

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@Eagle
Its me im the one who was willing to vote/hammer
literally tried twice but the posts were too fast

[MaxwellPuckett]

Eagle and mcqueens shitfest there was a good thing in the end k now youre both super special obvtown

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The last several pages before the flip last night was not productive.

I think you and mcqueen are both town and I'm not sure a spar is going to help you guys sort each other based on how last night went.

I disagree.
Sparring is usually very helpful for me.

I also agree that forcing me to hammer Buj was unproductive, but I guess he was going to die anyways.

Talk to me on why mcqueen is town.

I gotta agree 100% here ur guys back on forth was super towny
(And ya he was gonna die anyways)

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so let's see.
mcqueen has this random ass scumread which is entirely unrelated to this actual game and doesn't actually call him scum on xtoxm, which xtoxm... townreads them for.

I mean fair ya xtoxms townread on mcqueen still makes zero sense to me
Might actually sheep Ren on this its super possible ive just been a dumbass

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Whats it say Liger tell me

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Eagle Im tryna figure out why scum mcqueen doesnt wanna push me here tho
Like am I too obvious lynchbait am I just too hard to lynch now
Idk maybe im putting too much thought into it but considering the dwindling mislynch options for scum if the big townpool is rly right idk how it sits with me

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Liger is acting exactly how I think scum acts here (maybe THATS too blatant idfk) w putting paranoia in the townpool (or at least trying to)

Pedit Yes

[MaxwellPuckett]

He doesn't want to lynch you the same way he didn't want to lynch Buj yesterday.

K fair
Where are we on Jingle

[MaxwellPuckett]

3 minutes

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Bit slow on the uptake i omgused you 1k posts ago keep up

Liger/Xtoxm/mcqueen is fine I guess but imo the latter two are doing a bad job of getting mislynches
I know backseat scumplay while town does the lynches for u is a thing but still
Would feel better if i was settled on Jingle and Dolittle
Both of em are kinda townleans but I havent rly read Jingle too much

[MaxwellPuckett]

It sounds like im still doing it bc its an old thing
You reacting to an old scumread like its new is super funny tho

If its mentioning that youre still acting scummy that u gotta problem with then i have news for you :P

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This is very lazy scum play if you are scum Max.
You are just sheeping peoples reads blatantly and barely pretending to sort stuff. While sucking the townblocks dicks the whole way through.

Good thing im not scum
But if i was scum itd be stellar scum play bc it seems to be working so go me im a genius

Im in a game w Renais and Ankamius do u rly think im gonna be thinking my reads are in any way better than theirs when their reasoning for those reads is literally in front of my face

I also like what Danns putting out ftr

[MaxwellPuckett]

Im not all that good at mafia rn whats gonna happen here is im not gonna get nightkilled
Bc i never do
But when the townblocks all gone im gonna do my job and not get mislynched and lynch the scum on the backs on the dead townies who actually know how to play

At least until I get back my mafia legs

So yeah im gonna let obvtown like Eagle lead me by the hand

Pedit \o/

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K I finished skimming
There are too many players still in this game and the biggest takeaway from this experience is how much i hate delayed nightkills
I know thats dumb bc all the dead players would just be obvtown but like. still

@Ank you asked if I know you and Renais well and the answer is no, dont think weve had games together
But I know your reputations

[MaxwellPuckett]

@Dolittle whats your read on Liger and mcqueen


Pedit hey i hope ur being genuine bc I try hard to be pleasant to play with
Its hard to tell if u are tho

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Or at least what you are projecting. Assuming the things I am reading between isn't just an act or something and is your actual personality.

Its my actual personality
And Im still not scum
If youre town youve somehow rly rly misunderstood my intentions and my thoughts this game

But I dont have any recent games to rly show that so its w/e
Xtoxms like the only person here w meta on me and i do like how hes applied it (and its true my play there was completely different but it also came from a time where i tried to sound intelligent. lol)

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Eagle what town things have I done im p curious

Pedit hey vedith who do you wanna lynch

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Do you still wanna lynch me?
Tbh i dont have the greatest feelings abt the lynchpool as a whole like
My feelings on this keep changing but Id be rly rly surprised if xtoxm/liger/mcqueen ACTUALLY had two scums in it not the least bc xtoxm/mcqueen no longer feels super likely to me like in what world does a scumteam decide to have one half bus and the other half townread them for it
Like what does that accomplish besides being so out there that it doesnt look scummy
Ignore past max who said Renais exact point abt this being why theyre a team was fair, past max is p universally a dumbass

[MaxwellPuckett]

Eagle what town things have I done im p curious

Pedit hey vedith who do you wanna lynch

What is the purpose of this question?

You quoted two questions but im gonna assume you mean the one to you
Its an ego thing mainly, its not to sort you

[MaxwellPuckett]

like in what world does a scumteam decide to have one half bus and the other half townread them for it

This seems wrong

How so
Thats my impression of what xtoxm and mcqueen would be doing if theyre scum together

[MaxwellPuckett]

I mean yes

I'm not sure where you're pulling the "that would be outlandish and weird for scum to do" thing from

I mean yeah its a distancing tactic but its like
A bad one
Do scumteams do this? I wouldnt
Xtoxms townread on mcqueen is the weirdest thing there
Not to mention he said if mcqueen keeps tunneling then hes probably scum
and mcqueen is still voting Xtoxm
I just dont see the benefit for them as partners to do this

[MaxwellPuckett]

So, options for scum in this scenario- both bus each other, one bus the other doesn't bus, both don't bus.

How does any one of these seem particularly implausible to you?
I need more of a process than this.

Its not just one bussing while the other doesnt bus its one bussing while the other one townreads them for it and says "if he keeps tunneling yeah maybe scum"
idk its not what I would do at all
Esp w heat on both of them
Like I guess its possible theyre both just misplaying this and i shouldnt discount it outright but that isnt what i would think first off

[MaxwellPuckett]

Also Liger is calling mcqueen scum(my) and has voted him within the last 24 hours and mcqueen made a post about how liger/dann is SvS less than 12 hours ago. How is this not both bussing each other?

Im not talking abt Liger and mcqueen im talking abt mcqueen and Xtoxm

Tho i didnt realize Liger and mcqueen were scumreading each other

[MaxwellPuckett]

Maxwell, you've stated you're uncomfortable with the lynch pool. Who else do you think is scum?

I dont think any of the townblock is scum (meaning eagle ank rei prince and karmeleon)
Dont particularly think u are either
I think its p likely like one of those three (liger xtoxm and mcqueen) could be scum but im not satisfied w this big of a lynchpool and atm im kinda townreading liger and dont think xtoxm/mcqueen is as likely a team)

Im aware my perspective isnt as good as it could be and its possible my conclusions are completely off bc im forgetting important interactions from earlier in the game that i read and then forgot abt

I had to check the list but i also think RAS is town for play and also replacing Alisae
Im worried theres scum in Jingle/Vedith/Dolittle

Tho if Dolittle is scum im p sure his partner is mcqueen or liger so

[MaxwellPuckett]

OK, so how does mcqueen/xtoxm not being a likely team prevent there from being two scum in (mcqueen/xtoxm/liger)

It doesnt rly I guess
But you can see the post I just made now for more of what im actually worried abt

[MaxwellPuckett]

I don't know that mcqueen is actually scum reading me and Liger

He called us S/S and then voted xtoxm so ??

I mean of the three im least wary of mislynching mcqueen Id still be ok there

[MaxwellPuckett]

No, that's you.
I am making fun of you. You are the one with passive aggressive. Read your posts. Its all there.

Do we have to do this again lmao
Even if you think hes being passive aggressive youre making fun of him by your own admission which isnt fun to read either
Also all he said was a fact, youre still very much in the lynchpool

[MaxwellPuckett]

Okay if both of you keep posting punch for punch bc you want to return what the other one has said its never going to end
Also I disagree that liger isnt playing hes sure been shitposting a lot but he has reads and votes hes making in between it

To be clear i dont think either of you are being toxic or bad tho but its just my two cents

[MaxwellPuckett]

Eagle lets team up and punch max a bunch.

:(

[MaxwellPuckett]

I want answers on why is max town from people other than max!
I think max wants to hear those too.

He made a post earlier that showed evidence he had read a recent game of mine. Implying he had gone to efforts to do meta to aid his reads. +town equity.

Tbf I had already read the game for other reasons and happened to remember and look back on your mislynch there
That games also where I saw some of Ankamius's play ftr

[MaxwellPuckett]

The buj lynch was absolutely trash.
I can understand shoshin, but like that one shouldn't have happened.

all i read were vote counts

someone help me catch up on reads

ank what are the important things that have happened this game

This is peak yeah

[MaxwellPuckett]

God Im so tempted to replace in on another account but it will ruin all my efforts of keeping them separate
Probably not a great idea to wreck shit just for laughs tbh

Curious why RAS is in RCs lynchpool tho
(Also i wasnt 100% sure renais was RC til the switch but that was my assumption when i said i knew renais had sheepable reads)

[MaxwellPuckett]

So mcqueen's suspicion/pushing of xtoxm started early D2, and is pretty natural

I don't think mcqueen starts prepping his bus here this early?

If they just wanted good looking interactions, why doesn't xtoxm ever respond here

xtoxm doesn't respond until mcqueen finally votes him D3, which isn't as out of the blue as I thought

So you agree w me that its not SvS

I guess if you take out my whole bias abt liking xtoxm he kinda looks worse than mcqueen does
But im pocketeddddddd

[MaxwellPuckett]

scum me would not engage with you over the last 3 pages. coming in and saying hi every couple of pages have been serving me fine since you hadn't made it clear that I would be your prefered lynch today

Im curious what scum you would do
Is it just say hi like you have been but then duck out again when questioned

[MaxwellPuckett]

solid chance my reads here are trash due to personal feelings tbh

Legit why I cant form a good read on u rn

[MaxwellPuckett]

VOTE: Dolittle

[MaxwellPuckett]

Imo Alisaes/RAS still town here this isnt their scum pattern
Also its super obvious Maxwell isnt my only acct so w/e ill stop pretending also nobody cares lol

Im hearing a lotta Jingle town but i still dont kno why that is
Not that I rly think hes scum
Xtoxm is meh idk
Eagles gonna hate me for this but Ligers in my poe but i also dont wanna lynch it
Tonewise hes still scummy to me but that Rei vote is so wtf if scum and my reason for TRing dolittle was dumb and stuff bc i missed how he walked back the possible TR on clem like right away
Also yknow gotta keep the omgus votes alive somehow

[MaxwellPuckett]

Alisae replace out due to loss of hope because mcqueen is never present and people are starting to scumread em?

Its POSSIBLE that happened but i dont see post game hiatus alisae replacing out of a scumgame they thought they were losing

[MaxwellPuckett]

keep omgus alive i respect that

Thanks D ur alright

How come its all the scummy players that are so chill this game
These are just my people huh

[MaxwellPuckett]

i'm leaning xtoxm town. not sure why. prolly cuz FL was town in the newbie and i see similarities

Ok this makes me feel better abt continuing to not wanna lynch xtoxm

Also idk if scum xtoxm reacts to RCs presence w this much as he said paranoia bc fear of being unfairly lynched is 8 times outta ten a town thing not a scum thing

[MaxwellPuckett]

alright

i'm calling xtoxm/ddl town for rn

let's call it a lynch pool of (RAS/mcqueen/Liger)

Wait what about me
Also why dolittle town

[MaxwellPuckett]

Clemency tries to push shoshin as his only activity and that's pretty scummy. I was fooled earlier by his Jake Peralta image, but no more. I thought the endphase of Maxwell vs Liger, Liger definitely looked more town. Also Maxwell didn't want to take too hard of a stance on me, and that's pretty scummy.

What abt this other post of particular size that dolittle made abt me

Did you forget me this quick eagle

[MaxwellPuckett]

you just made an opportunistic vote and I didn't like it
also i'm not convinced you're town
but i don't wanna lynch you yet

I want you to push things first
i want to see real thoughts from you

What would be a vote that isnt opportunistic in a poe of like ~5 players
Im not abt to go after someone whos obvtown and theres a lot of obvtown

But ive been giving real thoughts this is the extent of it its not going to get better from here
Ive given reads on most of the list at this point and theyre recent is there a particular one you want to know more about

[MaxwellPuckett]

@rc do you read the tone in the post max quoted as different from the tone in teh one i quoted from DDL going into some sort of depth on his reads?

Hey uh i know youre having a deep conversation with RC rn but this is the second time in a few minutes youve pushed my attempts to discuss reads with you to the side and it kinda hurts

[MaxwellPuckett]

You know what nvm youre not an octopus you cant concenteate on every little thing at a time
Im sure youll answer when u get to it

[MaxwellPuckett]

if this is scum!max he has improved his scum game significantly from what i remember
4 year meta sucks and all but i dont think i'll ever get over this townread

I decided Im not lynching you either like youre literally the only person who cares abt the game ur referencing and wants to use it to read me when u could easily easily leave me to be lynched in endgame which is what i found a likely thing to happen

[MaxwellPuckett]

Is there anything else you want me to respond to, Max?

Mostly just ur read on dolittle bc i dont see a reason to townbin him

Also thanks for replying like i said earlier i think i was outta line in being upset at not being replied to immediately

[MaxwellPuckett]

Naw, I didn't really see the context around the vote, I missed RC's PoE a couple posts before that I assume you based your vote off of?
It looked to me like RC hinted that he was pushing DDL and off that hint you decided to actually drop a vote. This feels like the wrong part of the game to be dropping sheep votes, particularly if you're trying to sheep someone and the person you're trying to sheep hasn't placed a vote yet. It felt really rather weird and out of place.

As far as people I want to know more about, talk to me about probabilities for scum between RAS/DDL/xtoxm/Liger/mcqueen

Just list the pairs that come to mind as most likely and the ones that come to mind as least likely

Yeah I put the vote down bc RC had dolittle in his PoE and i didnt want a RAS wagon
Also bc dolittles read on me rubs me the wrong way and the way he explained it,
Sortve like it was rote and thought of after the fact instead of thoughts hed had the whole time
I had him as town at first bc of the unnecessary townread on my slot when Clem was in and doing nothing (ive heard) but Dolittle was convinced out of that townread in 0.2 secs so i shouldnt have put stock in it like I did
And when I did reference it as why I was townreading him when i replaced in dolittles first response was that he wasnt actually townreading Clem that strongly and Clem could be scum
This was ofc before Dolittle realized Clem and I were the same slot
In hindsight it looked like dolittle didnt wanna lock himself in to a slight townread from way earlier on a possible mislynch

Idk why I didnt lay all this out earlier I guess yeah I was worried abt looking opportunistic but im less worried now

[MaxwellPuckett]

As far as people I want to know more about, talk to me about probabilities for scum between RAS/DDL/xtoxm/Liger/mcqueen

Just list the pairs that come to mind as most likely and the ones that come to mind as least likely

This is a hard exercise for me I rly dont have a good memory for who pushed who or who can be teamed

Xtoxm isnt scum and i dont think Alisaeslot is scum
The remainder is where id lynch but my pref is dolittle > mcqueen > liger

[MaxwellPuckett]

this is a sexy lynch order and i like it

Oh my god RC agreed w me on something ragnarok has arrived
That sounds like a joke but its not

[MaxwellPuckett]

I'm fine with starting with me! I think I have a lot of associations since I've been here the whole time, so anyways at worst its information that

Lmao can i frame this

also dolittle ill ask again what WOULD scum you do if not respond to RCs prodding abt ur reads with information abt said reads

[MaxwellPuckett]

zero surprise if its dolittle mcqueen but cmon dolittles reaction to the idea of lynching him first that came from me his actual scumread hes voting
Being enthusiastic agreement is so far removed from a normal reaction that it needs to be appreciated more

[MaxwellPuckett]

Does mcqueen or DDL first make more sense?

Theyre both a thumbs up from me I guess

But dolittle next

[MaxwellPuckett]

Tonight is likely town explosion night so are there like other issues before we steamroll mcqueen

[MaxwellPuckett]

Thanks for saying that RC youll actually be listened to lol

[MaxwellPuckett]

Also it rly should be 11/13 not 6/7 bc dolittle should know he himself is town
Scum CAUGHT

[MaxwellPuckett]

WUT

[MaxwellPuckett]

I wish I had an alt

I wish I didnt

[MaxwellPuckett]

cant answer to what my predecessor do, but ill try my best to convince y'all that im town

LOL

[MaxwellPuckett]

(im joking in case anyone takes this seriously and takes out the ms replacement rulebook)

Poor nsg shes had enough of us making her dance

[MaxwellPuckett]

I'm sorry are we playing some strange form of THROW NAMES INTO A BIN AND PULL 'EM OUT RANDOMLY?
Because if so, why was I not invited, and what are the odds of xtoxm drawing the same list of names that ddl drew?

Idk it does seem to jive w xtoxms reads so far which have been p out of the norm for a while
Excepting the scumreads that xtoxm already excepted

[MaxwellPuckett]

What if its me and dolittle and uhhhhhh somebody more towny in lylo together
What then
Im more charismatic and therefore a victim of paranoia induced quickhammers
The more you know

[MaxwellPuckett]

jesus fucking christ

you think liger ever ignites me tomorrow when i'm explicitly not going for him?

stop

RC lets be real ur basically already on fire

[MaxwellPuckett]

Im ok w lynching all three like
Who else is scum realistically
Everyone says vedith is town so w/e
Im going to be alive and not going to lynch RAS
and tbh im not townreading Jingle but i dont think scum him chooses now to completely disengage w the thread in favour of a reread

[MaxwellPuckett]

K im going to bed can someone who can math tell me if i should leave my vote on mcqueen or wait

[MaxwellPuckett]

K im going to bed can someone who can math tell me if i should leave my vote on mcqueen or wait

leave it

Kk
VOTE: mcqueen

[MaxwellPuckett]

So being set up for an endgame mislynch is fun
Hows everybody doin im at work

Ank is Jingle confident town y/n

[MaxwellPuckett]

My worry rn is Jingle scum if its anyone else i think theyll be caught bc theyre in the pool
And the rest is town
Decided Xtoxm is town too
So if Jingles town i think its chill

Bad feeling that mcqueen will flip town bc hes hammered so theres no point in fucking w us now

[MaxwellPuckett]

Also I forget who but if youre wondering why Anks town check all her interactions w Eagle like its a lot and its towny
+ coming outta that game we keep talking abt her attitude to this one makes perfect sense

[MaxwellPuckett]

this isn't what I remember seeing from scum!jingle both times I've seen it, but at the time I don't really trust my ability to read him consistently

FA was pretty town though

I cant read FA lol
if youre not worried im not that worried
Mightve just been Jingles last readlist rhat pinged me bc dismissing me as "low impact who replaced low impact" feels like an easy way to mislynch me later w/o interacting w me even tho ive been rly present

[MaxwellPuckett]

I feel like if i dont get lynched now ill just get lynched in lylo
Sorry my contents been bad I guess. And sorry mcqueen too I shouldve stuck to my guns on you being towny for defending me
Not super confident in my reads atm but i still think its or/Liger. Esp or

VOTE: or

[MaxwellPuckett]

I guess esp Liger too bc i dont believe he has any conviction im scum. Paranoia abt me flipping town doesnt rly look real

Cant help but be weirded out by Vediths talk w Dann there
He says hes paranoid of Dann but then starts talking to Dann abt why he (Vedith) is town

[MaxwellPuckett]

Ftr im not gonna selfhammer or anything if i do get to L-1 bc thats dumb but i do wonder if just barely staying alive only to be the game winning mislynch would be worse than getting lynched here so i can stop being everyones favourite fallback obvscum slot and the game can actually feel winnable

[MaxwellPuckett]

And also @mcqueen i "sucked up to you" because scum has almost zero reason to defend me here
Whiteknighting me doesnt look good bc im scummy imo and my slots been in shit for most of the game
Thats how Ive been seeing it anyway

[MaxwellPuckett]

I cant tell if youre town having doubts now or if you unvoted bc i said your paranoia didnt look real to me

Why are you having doubts tho

Pedit okay thats an explanation i guess tho its all the posts ive made today
Why are u townreading or

Re Vedith and Danns talk it does look weird for both of them but i could see dann reacting that way as town
the weird part for me is vedith thinking Dann could be scum but then somehow pivoting to argue that hes town to Dann

[MaxwellPuckett]

Idk if I can trust Ligers turnaround here bc it could just be he realized letting me live makes him look better?
Also i had literally just said "paranoia from liger looks fake" and also "i dont see scum defending me here"
But I also could see how someone could townread it too

Guess I wanna see what others think abt it bc i still scumread Liger

[MaxwellPuckett]

liger is locktown, max

Why???

ank why are you not interested in this game?

Im not uninterested idk where you got that at all

[MaxwellPuckett]

oh i misread ank as and lol

[MaxwellPuckett]

Tbh I dont find Jingle very towny either all I remember abt it is Ank saying FA was towny

I do rly wanna hear why Liger is locktown to Enter suddenly
Pedit can you go into more detail

[MaxwellPuckett]

Jingles kinda convinced me he isnt scum here, at least enough that i dont wanna lynch it

Still dont think Enters scum like at all

Rethought on Liger and tbh his whole reaction to me saying i still scumread him was p towny and so was the backing off there
I remember someone saying Vedith was rly town so if we could talk abt that thatd be good
Okay to lynch or/DL but i dont wanna rush it like at all
Lack of town deaths at night rly hurts for a lotta reasons and im like 90% at this point scum is going to keep withholding til they can endgame on the igniting bc it seems to be working out so far

[MaxwellPuckett]

For someone who wasnt here during the grapes wagon and only has not real time knowledge of what happened there
What abt the wagon makes bussing on it 100% necessary

[MaxwellPuckett]

Fwiw i rly rly dont wanna be in lylo so if we can clear me somehow that would be killer
But I dont wanna do that by lynching someone i think is town (xtoxm)

[MaxwellPuckett]

Hey guys im doing important stuff but i see solving happening so hit me up if you need something i like to be included

[MaxwellPuckett]

I know Enter asked me to do a thing but i didnt rly have time for a big ol assignment right then
Caught up tho

Im not rly getting scumvibes from Fish here. The townvibes are weak but theyre there and nothing strikes me as esp inconsistent in a thought process sortve way
Then again I wasnt rly convinced on Fish scum before

Pedit: I felt this way earlier and I kinda doubt Fish is just parroting what ive already said

[MaxwellPuckett]

I might be biased, but they don't look that poignant. In fact the attitude I get is, hey it's kind of funny that I'm potential mislynch bait. It doesn't translate into the next day boo hoo I'm so sorry Mcqueen bro.

I rly dont like this at all
Why are my posts from before mcqueens flip when i thought he had a good shot of being scum supposed to smoothly transition to how i felt seeing his townflip and seeing his posts in twilight
And also my post to mcqueen was responding to something specific he had said in twilight that hadnt happened yet at those preflip quotes you quoted so like???

Also idk where you got that i think my possibility of getting MLed is funny

[MaxwellPuckett]

I've got at least three players trying to give up and eat rope and it's not helpful in the slightest. I need people to figure out what they're doing and how to spew themselves town.

Idk if you are but if youre referring to me here dont
I dont plan on giving up I only mentioned it as a thought i had

[MaxwellPuckett]

Im not sure if this thread bloating is helping or hindering finding scum bc it makes it really really hard to go back and read interactions
I dont think anyone who has been posting recently has been scum (i did read it all even if i couldnt understand all of what was said on a deeper level)

[MaxwellPuckett]

To be clear im not saying "hyperposting is antitown" inherently but at some point we're just rehashing the same points over and over
Xtoxm ill admit i may be biased on but i dont think i had any such bias on formerfish and i think his thought process is consistent w an annoyed town replacement and not a scum one
Theres scum motive to a few things hes done (marginally, like i see it and its been talked abt already) but from the pov of town being pushed by him i dont think the suspicion of Dann is weird at all

[MaxwellPuckett]

To be clear, you at town reading FF, myself, dann, ank, and xtoxm?

I apologize for bloating the thread, when I get to my computer I can try to help by getting through specific points.

Will you look at grapes and see if we can clear xtoxm based off the fact that everyone else he has voted has been town?

Im townreading you and Ank the most and i wont budge on that
If I had to choose between Dann and Fish as the one whos townier i would pick Fish. im feeling out dann rn but i did have a townread there im not eager to simply throw away
Xtoxm I townread. I just acknowledge it may not be for a good reason. But i dont see myself voting Xtoxm today and would much rather exhaust other options bc of that townread

The problem w you Enter is not rly just the number of posts but its how complete you are w grilling every single aspect of the game
Which isnt bad in and of itself but i think a lot of it is extraneous and could be kept to your own notes
As an example you sometimes seem to be asking questions off the cuff and trying to get people to participate in your method of solving which is again not bad but questions for questions sake or to just get peoppe involved with literally anything you can grab is going to be at some point too much for the rest of us to follow
I def appreciate how much youre putting into the game but i do think its making it harder for natural interactions to happen w the less active playerbase and for players like Fish who dont have all the context you do and cant just grasp a 300 page game in a much shorter timespan

Im not sure if we can clear xtoxm from that bc i see no solid reason that grapes wouldnt have voted his scumbuddy at some point just bc the others were all town. Not unless he pushed Xtoxm at a time it may have made Xtoxm more likely to be lynched, then I would give more credence to the idea its 100% not SvS
For that same reason I dont like the simple declaration that there had to be at least one scum on grapes bc i feel like the initial assumption is flawed

I promise you im doing my best here but the game IS massive and has been extremely messy and at some point less really is more

[MaxwellPuckett]

I do like Fishs point on Xtoxm town based on grapes interactions though bc it has the actual push feel that I had mentioned

[MaxwellPuckett]

What points do you think are being rehashed and do you think it is points being rehashed with the same people or different people, and do you apply the same value to each?

What do you think makes sense about the dann suspicions to you?

See your first question here is kindve what I mean youve literally asked every possible question you could have and it feels like youre doing so w/o really thinking about the utility of it
I dont know what specific points bc theres just so goddamn much yknow thats like the backbone of the issue
If its not rehashing then its irrelevant
Grapes interactions w Xtoxm I wouldnt say are irrelevant but like what useful information do you actually get from me answering your first question
Im interested in what scum are doing and im p damn sure you arent scum so im not interested in examining it further

As for Dann its more that his analysis has been good i think but if scum i can see his attempts to stay at the top of the lynchpool while lynching within it
And idk how i feel abt his frustration w still being in the lynchpool but i might need to reexamine that

[MaxwellPuckett]

Im also going to say Creature is town here its p obvious to me from his Karmeleon and Creature posts
His scumgames def gotten better so im not going to totally say hes never scum
All I dont rly like is the Fish vote but like I recognize my opinion on Fish is not the consensus

[MaxwellPuckett]

so what's left is engaging a dialogue with max, and trying to further gauge if he's scum

I missed this post from you or what do you want to talk about
I also replied to you abt ur dialogue w Liger abt him townreading me, its in my iso

[MaxwellPuckett]

This is the primary evidence against DDL/FF

There's no way FF doesn't know or and DDL are one and the same if they're the scum team yknow

I thought it could be faked in the heat of the moment but now I'm not so sure at all

Fwiw i dont think fish and dolittle are a likely team either

Not sure how you come up w me/dl as a team tho, even tho u then discounted it

[MaxwellPuckett]

This isnt coming from a place of frustration or anything, I also might be wrong idk
Not trying to say im upset w ur contributions either

[MaxwellPuckett]

RC is town i dont know why this is in question
Why arent we lynching or

[MaxwellPuckett]

I dont like either of those

[MaxwellPuckett]

Wow my reads are bad ok
Good job tho

[MaxwellPuckett]

Thanks liger ur cool too

[MaxwellPuckett]

This was two days apart so unless someone didn't post at all during that time Alisae buddy should have been on the wagon: I think it's just Clemency slot like 80%+ of the time

Alisaes aware enough of bussing meta on this site to think more abt it than that
Id vote or or Jingle b4 dann rn

[MaxwellPuckett]

Thats based on Anks list ftr i havent figured out what fish being scum does to my reads yet

[MaxwellPuckett]

Ill look at it overnight

[MaxwellPuckett]

My first thought was jingle bc i thought Anks reasoning for them being buddies was good + it was jingle who convinced me to take a look at this game and alisaes other game that was running concurrently and why that made alisae town
It didnt rly look like es scumgame to me and its solid enough evidence i dont think jingle would expect to get too much flack for it
So maybe jingle first actually. provided i dont get lynched lol

[MaxwellPuckett]

why can't it be Max, Ank

Why is it me besides my slot also being on grapes wagon

[MaxwellPuckett]

only thing I'm weirded out about is that I really do think Jingle would be better than to let Alisae like... blatantly do the most scummy things consistently for eir entire time in the game

Im not sure if jingle would be able to direct alisaes actions like youre saying he would

[MaxwellPuckett]

I'm also most inclined to town read xtoxm out of those 3. Reason being, if the scum team is within this PoE, to quote NSG: "A scumteam caught early on will push each other down to stay afloat." Max and DDL have basically wanted to lynch each other for a while, while xtoxm has basically called them all lynch bait and been more focused with scum within the "town block." Max and DDL have been trying to set each other up for endgame but xtoxm hasn't really been doing that for anyone as far as I can see.

Thus, I'd like to lynch within [or/Max] today.

Tbh im amazed you think a team like me and or wouldve been able to help along the fucking clusterfuck town has been all game

Youre positing a scumteam whos been trying to lynch each other all game as town self destructs and lynches itself while we either do literally nothing to help that along or actively avoid mislynches like Fish, who i was calling town and continued to call town as all the heavy hitters decided to lynch him
Before he faked scumclaimed but w/e
Or could still be scum and i now think dann has a good chance too bc this conclusion is just so easy


I also question the wisdom of going arms deep on grapes associations, still, when players have apparently been doing that all game and repeatedly coming up with nothing

i know hes the only scumflip all game but it was d1 and his iso doesnt have a lot in it
The likelihood of it being incidentals is so high

[MaxwellPuckett]

I thought Buj was too but w/e i may have misunderstood

My point remains theres no proof grapes had meaningful partner interactions on the first day
incidentally this is also why town winrates can take a hit w a day 1 scum lynch and its bc town starts seeing things that arent there within the iso and associations of the one scum they caught

But yeah idk how relevant that is to today,
Also my suspicion ofJingle has gone down a lot after actually seeing Fish flip town

[MaxwellPuckett]

ok

i think the correct play here is to hedge on max and try to lynch whoever is most likely to be his buddy in the lynchpool

i guess i'll read for that now

If youre looking for my buddy in the lynchpool while not lynching me i dont see the point
If im scum you arent lynching me the scum and if im town you could still then lynch town based on false associatives with a town player

[MaxwellPuckett]

Tohru was also in that game I read so maybe good to see what she thinks on xtoxm
VOTE: or

I still think its more likely Dann than xtoxm
The longish night break made me feel less done w this game than i was
Also its basically a completely dif game lolreplacements

[MaxwellPuckett]

RCs a good scumplayer too but hes got a fair bit of shit in here ive been associating w town RC (and also imo scumRC has a lot less reason to approach my slot how he has but mostly the other stuff)
And i dont rly have experience w townjingle

[MaxwellPuckett]

Tohrus obvs a metal sonic alt idk why anyones thought otherwise

[MaxwellPuckett]

Ive been waiting for the flip to happen but eh

@Vedith your reasoning makes sense but i think the reason why im not lynched is the combined efforts of ank/rc/enter who are all town, my wagon didnt just disappear i remember being actively defended by players w clout

I also have no idea who to lynch tomorrow sorry
This game is a special kind of hell

[MaxwellPuckett]

Thatd be super duper nice

[MaxwellPuckett]

You can just say Max/Xtoxm its fine

[MaxwellPuckett]

Post them if you find something

[MaxwellPuckett]

btw reading the game again I tried to lead on Xtoxm basically every day phase since day 1 and it got resisted and derailed every single time.

I dont remember you ever leading on xtoxm since you replaced in on your main
He was just there as "needs lynching before lylo"

[MaxwellPuckett]

Xtoxm idk why you townread dann tbh

[MaxwellPuckett]

Playing a game with no night deaths rly sucks
RCs walking back on the townread on me now that we're in the endgame also rly sucks and has ruined my own faith in my townread there, really sucks x2
Pushing me/xtoxm (literally the only players left in the poe) is so so disappointing bc neither of us have done anything except defend each other and the thought that its fooled the towncore composed of players at this level is like actually laughable
At least one of the scum have to actually have some sort of handle on this game i l much refuse to believe otherwise