Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Liger_Zero]

Hello everyone!

[Liger_Zero]

Are those actually memes? They appear to be just random pictures

[Liger_Zero]

Are those actually memes? They appear to be just random pictures

don't you have better things to be doing

like looking town
providing reads
voting shoshin

It doesn't look like we are doing much and I think we have scum caught. Unless there is something you want to talk about, I think I am okay right now.

[Liger_Zero]

Wait she's L-1 nvm

Ank post intent to hammerr pls

@liger

gimme a couple players you town read and a couple players yo uscumread

You and Prince for townreads.
I don't really have scumreads outside shoshin slot.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Vedith

Hello everyone

[Liger_Zero]

hi maxwellpuckett. how are you?

[Liger_Zero]

Reading this game is a chore. I don't think I will be doing that then.

[Liger_Zero]

First thought on seeing that no one died was that scum would try to frame Prince as mafia, even if just to discredit his reads (since that's probably more powerful than flipping him and having everyone sheep his reads postmortem). Alisae backing off so quickly reads more like overzealous town though. I'll sheep Prince on his read in this slot for now, because I'm not entirely sure how to read it.

Going after Jingle out of all of Shoshin's reads is odd, and I think he's town. However, as long as we're on the sheeping Shoshin's reads train, DDL is also town.

Lycan (which is Ankamius btw guys we have replacements) and Clemency are both fine lynches, I think mcqueen is scummier than Clemency though. And Ank/Lycan is worse than mcqueen.

Ank, I need you to start posting something of substance because your catch-up questioning mode looks extremely empty. It's fine if you need to catch up but your ISO is godawful and the definition of "trying to look solvey." What are your reads? Are you still thinking Jingle/Alisae has high scum equity? Because those are the only real thoughts on the game I can find from you and I think you should have some more input by now, whether you're fully caught up or not.

VOTE: Ankamius

pedit: DDL's attitude last few pages reads tonally town to me

How and why would it make sense to frame someone as scum by no killing exactly? Not understanding the flow of logic or how no death would be a frame attempt given the setup.

[Liger_Zero]

Why did I think you were town again?

Probably cause I'm good looking

I will townread this

[Liger_Zero]

@Ank
While I am honored you think I'm a capable scum player
and I think it is funny every time someone I respect for their mafia game reads me as possible scum

look into my eyes
and know that I am town

beyond the shadow of a doubt

is my motivation for this game at like... 30% rn? Yes, because other people are solving and there's a couple days 'til day end, and rarely will wagons that happen at beginning of day result in a lynch.

however

i'm not scum

my scum game is terrible

i can remember like two games i've ever rolled scum and both of them i was lynched day 1 (iirc)

you should locktown me because it's bad for you not to do that

Well if this doesn't scream "trust me trust me trust me" in overt way that gives me caution, I don't know what else would.

[Liger_Zero]

turns out i'm pretty good at this game.

Didn't you just get shoshin wrong? What are you talking about?

[Liger_Zero]

So I am to take you at your word here that towneagle pleads to you in that fashion as town because your history. Okay....

[Liger_Zero]

Thats the most passive aggressive post I have seen in awhile.

[Liger_Zero]

How exactly am I being passive aggressive?

[Liger_Zero]

well yeah

I don't put it past him to try it as scum but I don't think he goes as far as this from a "eh..... maybe???" level of scumread rather than a full on tilt tunnel scumread

I am not sure if I scumread him, but that post really seems manipulative to me. If you think he is town for it, okay. Not sure what I think of it beyond there is too much trying to gain your trust there. Which if I was him, I wouldn't be doing even if I was dead certain of your alignment. Which maybe he is.

[Liger_Zero]

I wouldn't read it. Seems very tedious to me.
Hello maxwell btw.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay reading tonight's not gonna happen but I'll get it done
Can someone ask my specific opinion on something cool and/or funky fresh

Whats your opinion of Zoids?

[Liger_Zero]

Dont prese x cause I'm town.

More to the point why do you think its glacial? Asking yourself to be voted is no better than the discussion shoshins self vote generated

My guess? Scum aren't working to push a wagon.

*Looks around

Yup. I don't see anyone pushing a wagon. I see people pussyfooting around us. I see people pussyfooting around ClemSlot. I see shade at pretty much half the list. But I don't see any particular pushes.

This is a very accurate representation of the current game.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay reading tonight's not gonna happen but I'll get it done
Can someone ask my specific opinion on something cool and/or funky fresh

Whats your opinion of Zoids?

Whos Zoids I dont see them in the list

[Liger_Zero]

Dont prese x cause I'm town.

More to the point why do you think its glacial? Asking yourself to be voted is no better than the discussion shoshins self vote generated

My guess? Scum aren't working to push a wagon.

*Looks around

Yup. I don't see anyone pushing a wagon. I see people pussyfooting around us. I see people pussyfooting around ClemSlot. I see shade at pretty much half the list. But I don't see any particular pushes.

This is a very accurate representation of the current game.

This is a very accurate impression of empty posting.

This is C- posting.

[Liger_Zero]

And I am very proud of you for that.

[Liger_Zero]

@Jingle
I just graded your latest submission:
B+

You are showing immense improvement. Keep it up

[Liger_Zero]

Shoving someone seems too hostile. Max should instead call them a doody head instead.

[Liger_Zero]

I take offense to the accusation that I am not doing anything. I am posting valuable content here. Jingle don't make me take back the towncred I was giving you for our little banter.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Rei
So far its a vote on me (town) and wanting to vote someone I think is town and also a sort of lame jab abt me having a gutread on Ank in spite a not reading when Ank had a shitton of posts right when I came in

I was actually sort of thinking this too but I don't think Rei is very invested into the read and didn't think the jab meant much. Seems weak but I definitely was thinking along these lines.

[Liger_Zero]

I was actually sort of thinking this too but I don't think Rei is very invested into the read and didn't think the jab meant much. Seems weak but I definitely was thinking along these lines

Who do you think scum is Liger
I have like -2 reads so far and a ping is a ping

Side note appreciate Eagle helping me get into this.
Idk if its towny but its making my life easier

Not sure yet. The thread will know when I have a strong scumread.

[Liger_Zero]

Players with random thoughts:

Vedith - Where is the thoughts? I don't see much here reading. Maybe scum staying at low level.
DrDoLittle - Seems genuine. Maybe cares too much about what people think of him. Not sure that means anything with that. I like his posts.
Reiuji - Ehhhhh. This person just seems like a sheep that goes along with the crowd. Can't tell where they are going mentally, seem disinterested in game.
Jingle - Snarky player. I like snarky players, very enjoyable to have some sparing matches with. Seems to be critical of the game, I don't see any manipulation going on, want to say town just on attitude but won't.
Alisae - Hyperactive posting would have this person on as a poster child. Or ADHD? I have hard time reading hyperactive posters because you can't really make heads of tails of a lot of their content when its muddled through a lot of random noise. Easier for scum to hide in it and just go with the flow of the game. Not sure I liked a few posts of theirs, but can't tell why.
Ankamius - Seems sheepish and trusts people too easily. Not sure if that means scum. Would scum make it that easy for people to trust them without trying to make it seem more like they are reading into them? Who knows. If town would probably be easy to manipulate given the personality seen so far.
Dannflor - Seems highly analtyical player from little I read. Not sure I could follow all his logic trees. Not sure what to make of him either since the harder it is for me to logically follow a player the harder it is for me to read them because I think they are spouting nonsense to make it look like they are trying or just in another world. Probably just need to get on his wavelength. Seems like cool person though.
Prince of Renais - Not sure. Think he is playing a different game than the rest of us with the postings I have seen.
mcqueen - Uhhhhh didn't know this person was playing till recently.
Xtoxm - Who?
NerfedBuj - Don't know who this be.
Max - Ehhh seems to be looking for reasons outside themselves for reads. Makes me suspicious either this person is easily influenced by others or just looking for reasons to make reads/adjustments based on others.
Eagle - On one hand he is very actively trying to push the game. The other is that he seems to be trying to pocket people very hard and cares deeply about others reads in a way that doesn't scream trying to get everyone on the same page but more how to get into the position he wants. So that makes me go with scum leaning right now, but theres townie things I can see from his ISO. Its just weird the progression of certain things.

[Liger_Zero]

I guess if i was making an arbitrary read list of least concerning to most concerning players i would go something like:

Jignle
DrDoLittle
Ankamius
Dannflor
Max
Reijui
Eagle
Vedith

And to those I hold no strong opinion of so can't say a thing:
Prince of Renais
mcqueen
xtoxm
nerfedBuj

[Liger_Zero]

Okay

[Liger_Zero]

Reiuji how strong is your scumread on Max here? I am not getting that you have a strong one in the very least.

[Liger_Zero]

Ehhh PoE players....so hard to read cause I can't discern their scum cases are legitimate. You are the bane of my existence Reiuji. My mortal foe.

[Liger_Zero]

Why is Vedith townie to you?

[Liger_Zero]

Eh not really at this point.

I'm very sure two scums are in this list and rest are town.

- DDL
- Vedith
- MP
- Thou

Who is Thou?

[Liger_Zero]

Ohh cool.

[Liger_Zero]

Yeah, I am not going to read the rest of this game.

So you think that is garbage because more reading would help develop his read on you? Or just that your post wasn't a jab or what exactly? I think it was obvious that Ankamius had posted quited a bit after max replaced in so max could make some sort of read and your post could be perceived as a weird jab at someone who read a few posts to make a read. Do you not agree with that?

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Yeah, I am not going to read the rest of this game.

So you think that is garbage because more reading would help develop his read on you? Or just that your post wasn't a jab or what exactly? I think it was obvious that Ankamius had posted quited a bit after max replaced in so max could make some sort of read and your post could be perceived as a weird jab at someone who read a few posts to make a read. Do you not agree with that?

First of all, he voted me, the most obvious town in this game.

That whole post literally came off of exactly one post I made, and even then he didn't even read it correctly.

I initially read it the same way he did. So we got an issue of either you communicated that wrong or everyone else doesn't understand you.

[Liger_Zero]

I have zero idea of what you are talking about. Gonna check out of thread for awhile.

[Liger_Zero]

How and why would it make sense to frame someone as scum by no killing exactly? Not understanding the flow of logic or how no death would be a frame attempt given the setup.

Prince lead a wagon on grapes, mafia, day one. He's an extremely strong player and obvious town this game so most players agreed he'd likely die last night. He didn't.

A simple (but flawed) explanation is that Prince is scum because ~~~paranoia~~~

you're going to need very good reasons to push Prince right now and I don't believe those exist until proven otherwise

discrediting him or scum reading him based on the mere fact he's still alive will be a scum tactic imo

Is anyone doing that?

[Liger_Zero]

boredom

people were happy w/ game state

i don't like when people are happy w/ game state

i was trying to figure out who wouldn't be happy if I said "no, this game state is bad"

nobody wanted to lynch vedith

I'm a little worried about this right now?

Especially with no NK, I'm trying to figure out what scum are doing to try and win the game.

One thing to keep in mind potentially is that scum will avoid pushing doused players at all costs because it basically costs them a night kill. There are fairly good odds Prince is already doused so the only way for scum to play around him will be not to push for his mislynch, but to discredit/scumread him while pushing elsewhere. I'd guess either Enter or myself are also doused. I'd just watch how people play around EE and Prince specifically today because I think they're the most likely doused targets, and playing with obv town players you can't make a real push for even if circumstances change probably stands out. It's why I'm not really a fan of Ank's half-hearted push on Enter, but I might just be conf-biasing on that.

This seems townie even though I don't agree with the conclusion that scum would avoid pushing doused players at all costs. More likely less inclined to push them without outside forces acting on them. Which makes it more grey in the area of seeing any scum on any of the doused players but would likely clear the biggest pushers on those people but not the people doing minor pushes.

[Liger_Zero]

Dann

I've played with Jingle town and Jingle scum several times in the past and he's always had a drastically different tone than when he's played this game. The way I've been trying to read him is by reading what he decides to push and why since that's how I was able to correctly realize I shouldn't be townreading him in police academy, but I need to be sure that I can read him along that same metric when he is playing much more loosely than in any other game I've seen him in.

It's not me trying to get a read on him, it's me making sure I can in the first place.

interesting. Would like to hear more about this. Almost makes me want to read other games which is funny because I haven't even read this game.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: mcqueen
Theres two scum left and like 15 players alive so Im ready for the mislynch train

Which has nothing to do w the mcqueen vote fwiw

If someone is townreading him @me

@Rei Im gonna read piecemeal so waiting for me to be done probs wont work just do ur worst ill town it up or die

Is this because no one is hard townreading them?
Not getting this vote.

[Liger_Zero]

Idk whos townreading mcqueen thats why I asked
The vote is bc I think hes scummy

Why?

[Liger_Zero]

holy shit i just realized how many people got replaced. Why did Shoshin, Lycan, and Gamma all get replaced?

Where you at? It seems like you are further behind than me, and I just replaced in a day ago and haven't read day 1 or even most of day 2.

[Liger_Zero]

Theres a wagon going on Vedith right now that could use you.

[Liger_Zero]

Theres more votes on Vedith right now though.

[Liger_Zero]

Not sure you could get support for an Ankamius wagon right now either.

[Liger_Zero]

Why am I not a townread?

Not sure. These reads are based on what I remember in thread, and I didn't recall anything particularly standout town you did. could be just that I missed some pages or forgot.

re: vedith wagon. i can do that but i prefer it happens when vedith comes back into thread

Why for him when you want to re-energize the game and getting more votes on one person is going to get people more invested rather than Ankamius?

You aren't giving people much reason to support your wagon here.

[Liger_Zero]

guys lets have some conviction and consolidate on a lynch.

[Liger_Zero]

I still don't get the impression you have any strong reads Max and that you are just looking for people to give you acceptable reads to push. Want to talk about that in anymore detail?

[Liger_Zero]

fine its cause i like vedith and I don't want him to have a hard time even if he might be scum ok :<

Destroy him

[Liger_Zero]

I am proud to be a leftover.

But I have no idea what your starting point means.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay but why is it your sure on McQueen and vedith but the rest of your leftovers your not really considering?

[Liger_Zero]

This is like watching a person breaking down hearing voices in there head.

[Liger_Zero]

Not interested in a xtoxm lynch right now

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Xtoxm

More reason to not vote xtoxm.

[Liger_Zero]

Starting to get disinterested in this. We gonna get everyone on a wagon or something?

[Liger_Zero]

Isn't there a rule about not making the game personal....

[Liger_Zero]

Remember that this is a game - heated discussion is allowed, but personal attacks are not. Comment on play, not player.

Seems like a good rule

[Liger_Zero]

drdolittle has some great posts here.

[Liger_Zero]

Like why am I here all scum Maxie shopping for reads when theres an entire thread of opinions i could grab for convenience
idk i feel like im pretty obvious trying to interact w people and talk abt their reads and your conclusions arent making any sense
@Liger

Because your opinions do look like they are being shopped so far? Not seeing much in terms of original thinking but I haven't been really reading your posts as of late so theres that.

[Liger_Zero]

fuck there are so many players in the game i cant keep track of reads. I forgot I had Vedith as town midway into day 2 because Vedith-scum has no reason to hard defend shoshin.

You were doing so good!

[Liger_Zero]

So he isn't scum because he isn't trying? Got anything to back that up?

[Liger_Zero]

They could if they aren't paying attention lol

[Liger_Zero]

my understanding from what others have said is that she's a strong player and i imagine she's capable of putting the kind of stuff on the board that she's done this game.

It's kinda funny actually. This is my second mafia game ever and my first game on this site.
I played my first game in over a year ago.

And yet some people are calling me alt account <_<

Congrats

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Maxwell

[Liger_Zero]

Why does that matter?

[Liger_Zero]

That isn't the number 1 topic

[Liger_Zero]

I don't think anyone is talking about you except you and xtoxm.

[Liger_Zero]

Who is w and x?

[Liger_Zero]

Because your opinions do look like they are being shopped so far? Not seeing much in terms of original thinking but I haven't been really reading your posts as of late so theres that.

Are you reading my posts now Liger
I dont rly care if I get lynched bc the points against me are tbh fair
But if I had to pick a scum on me its Liger
Shit Dann said about me was yeah bad, Ligers doing it here too, not to mention the vote on me amidst other players being suspicious of me
Like he just kinda slides in there w the vote while RAS and Danna are going off

Yeah, I see that people are getting more suspicious of you and that theres growing interest in a wagon on you.

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And like in terms of criticisms against me ive found Danns for example to be pretty valid
Meanwhile Ligers are that Im not showing original thinking which is wild when Im defending both Dolittle and Xtoxm as everyone runs around developing partner associations based on either of them being scum
So yeah i dont think hes reading my posts either

Like if you put any thought to it most of my opinions have been unpopular so idk how you get that theyre shopped from that
Dann was def me following the crowd on that vote but thats one thing among other things
The only player ive rly ingratiated myself to is Xtoxm and if I was shopping for opinions id probably... idk try that on someone a bunch of players arent trying to lynch
But the reason Im TRing xtoxm is mostly bc a) emotional reactions are shit he doesnt fake as scum (obvs scum is allowed to have emotions i HAVE considered that) and b) I read the game Ank was talking abt where xtoxm got mislynched like this
also c) Xtoxm was a bro he reminded me or a game we were in together and said "nice to see you again" and it felt good, sue me

I don't think defending xtoxm is all that unpopular as you are saying it is. Nor is dolittle.

[Liger_Zero]

I'm confused as to what your read on DDL is.

He is going back and forth because he is reading the game to see where to make read changes. Isn't that obvious? Seems obvious to me.

[Liger_Zero]

I'm confused as to what your read on DDL is.

He is going back and forth because he is reading the game to see where to make read changes. Isn't that obvious? Seems obvious to me.

Actually I can see an organic reason to be suspicious of dolittle as of late but not sure if that is what max is looking it.

I think dolittle is town though some bad posts don't equal scum.

[Liger_Zero]

Max is a good wagon. Best wagon. Greatest wagon even. Anyone want to be apart of this?

[Liger_Zero]

I don't think you are dumb scum.

[Liger_Zero]

Princes reads are meh.

[Liger_Zero]

theres nothing really scummy about xtoxm or dannflor.

[Liger_Zero]

Max

[Liger_Zero]

Analyze their reads and thought process and get back to me.

[Liger_Zero]

Also sorry to hear about your break up.

[Liger_Zero]

YOU think that they're scummy.

Tell me why they're scummy.

No thanks.

[Liger_Zero]

but that's not how mafia works

Are you certain?

[Liger_Zero]

Max
mcqueen
Liger

So vote Max.

[Liger_Zero]

Max
mcqueen
Liger

So vote Max.

you have no clue how not sold I am on this list of people at the moment

Then you should vote Max.

[Liger_Zero]

Max
mcqueen
Liger

So vote Max.

you have no clue how not sold I am on this list of people at the moment

Then you should vote Max.

why?

Why not?

[Liger_Zero]

Not with that attitude.

[Liger_Zero]

because voting max gets me nowhere

By this I mean: I am somewhere. I am heading somewhere.
If I vote Max, I lose all of that and end up nowhere.

Not with that attitude.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't think that will get traction.
GL with that.

[Liger_Zero]

None of those posts mean much to me.

[Liger_Zero]

1353 probably makes eagle town.

[Liger_Zero]

if you bet your alignment on it, and ank flips scum. Does that turn you into scum?

[Liger_Zero]

but I mean does ur actual green role card turn red upon flip now?

[Liger_Zero]

My joke went way over your head.

[Liger_Zero]

And I am the cure.

[Liger_Zero]

You can't take micro doses of me, I am afraid I can only be taken as a suppository.

[Liger_Zero]

You didn't even pay for me.

[Liger_Zero]

Life is full of those.

[Liger_Zero]

Yeah just call up God and demand a refund. Should go well.

[Liger_Zero]

Your welcome.

Also don't get discouraged if God doesn't pick up on the first call. God just has a bad cell service.

[Liger_Zero]

but I mean does ur actual green role card turn red upon flip now?

My joke went way over your head.

no
it was just so dumb

that i treated it as if you weren't actually trying to make ajoke

to maintain at least some sense of respect for you

You are so weird with turning on asshole mode.

[Liger_Zero]

If you are trying to start a fight, you are doing it wrong.
If you are trying to just insult me, you could use some improvement

So whatever your goal is here. You aren’t doing it well

[Liger_Zero]

Okay.

[Liger_Zero]

I’d rather talk to you about the weather tbh

[Liger_Zero]

What do you prefer, snow or rain?

[Liger_Zero]

I personally prefer the snow, don’t get it enough and snowballs are fun

[Liger_Zero]

Max is lynch baity?

[Liger_Zero]

How many votes on Max?

[Liger_Zero]

So how many votes on Max?

[Liger_Zero]

If you care so much about how many votes he has, why don't you do the research yourself? Why is it relevant how many votes he has?

Good advice. Did the search. I am the only one voting Max.

[Liger_Zero]

Fun with math:

Feel free to correct me if I made a mistake.

15 alive.
13:2 town:scum ratio

3 conftown players,
Leaves us with 10:2
We can afford 5 mislynches in the worst case scenario.

We will assume the following in order to calculate the odds in terms of worst case scenario, because anything else would only give us an even higher probability of winning.

Assumptions:
-People that are doused are never lynched
-Scum do not ignite within the suspect list until they can win (this makes the odds of hitting scum less, though we will still assume that we don't hit a doused player, because we are basing this on a 5 mislynch capacity, lynching a doused player would be an extra mislynch)

Odds of scum not getting lynched if random lynching (while avoiding doused players):

Day 3 (5 mislynches left, 0 doused within suspect list) - 10/12 = 83.3%
Day 4 (4 mislynches left, 0 doused within suspect list) - 9/11 = 81.8 % * 83.3% = 68.2%
Day 5 (3 mislynches left, 1 doused within suspect list) - 7/10 = 70% * 68.2% = 47.7%
Day 6 (2 mislynches left, 2 doused within suspect list) - 5/9 = 55.6% * 47.7% = 26.5%
Day 7 (1 mislynch left, 3 doused within suspect list) - 3/8 = 37.5% * 26.5% = 9.9%
Day 8 (lylo, 4 doused within suspect list) - 1/7 = 14% * 9.9% = 1.4%

1.4% that scum avoid the lynch 6 days in a row.

Scum win on Night 6.
If we assume 2 doused now.
There will be 5 doused on Night 6.

Current player list alive is 15. By Day 6, that is 11 left alive and after day over that is 10. Burn douses its 5 players.
Game ends with scum majority.

[Liger_Zero]

Went back to look for reasons for my wagon, couldn't find any beyond Eagle saying I am not adding anything to the game, so not sure what is the deal with this.

If we are doing a trade for me and Max, I am for it. Not sure if even half the people scumread me here though.

[Liger_Zero]

Naah

[Liger_Zero]

Or we could go for Max instead because you agreed to me or Max.

[Liger_Zero]

I forgot Gamma was the same slot I should ISO them too
Kinda kno how to read gamma

interested in this

No you aren't.

[Liger_Zero]

Naah

Why though?

Xtoxm reasoning for voting you is bad but wasn't scummy. Xtoxm is just completely disinterested in the game, and if you are town you should be able to see that.

[Liger_Zero]

Or we could go for Max instead because you agreed to me or Max.

who is scum besides max

is there anyone else in the game you would "trade" yourself for

I have no other strong scumreads right now. So no.

[Liger_Zero]

Maybe DrDoLittle. I lost my townread on him for his push on me. He actually doesn't seem interested in sorting anything and maybe just avoiding being lynched himself and not in the town I want to live kind of way.

[Liger_Zero]

He didn't push you he just voted you to build a wagonwhich is consistent with his attitude all day and seems pretty townie

Not really.
He wouldn't push some wagons because "he liked them" and when interest on him resurfaced he went on my wagon for no reason given.

If that is consistent, its very inconsistent.

[Liger_Zero]

he's also doing a good job of looking like he's sorting if he's scum

Good for him.

[Liger_Zero]

I am not convinced I said I scumread him and said he was maybe scum. But do go on.

[Liger_Zero]

I said I wouldn't trade myself for anyone else, and that I was maybe scumreading DDL. Not that I would maybe trade myself for DDL. But I can see how that was misunderstood.

[Liger_Zero]

This whole encounter really just seems like you are here to just argue points for no reason than to justify your vote.

[Liger_Zero]

I swear if you come back with "I am just trying to sort you", I might just slap you.

[Liger_Zero]

Troll

[Liger_Zero]

Nothing. He hasn't cared about this game the whole time I have been here.

[Liger_Zero]

No one is flailing.

[Liger_Zero]

Doesn't seem motivated to sort/lynch in a specific pool

What

[Liger_Zero]

Interesting

[Liger_Zero]

Not really.

[Liger_Zero]

Are you reading anything I post?

No, not really.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger, where does your town read on xtoxm come from?

His reaction to Prince

[Liger_Zero]

Look back to where Shoshin/DT were the primary wagons.

BuJ was on the Shoshin wagon first, and grapes hopped onto the wagon later with awkward justification tacked on. He didn't want to look opportunistic with hopping on that wagon since he had to have known that if that had gone through, the wagon would have been put under a microscope by the rest of the town and his vote would stick out like a sore thumb otherwise.

I assume grapes panicked when the BuJ wagon started up, because his vote on there was much more aggressive and 'emotional' than the rest of his posting.

grapes then vanished from the thread and held his vote on the BuJ wagon, which was relatively safe to do since it wasn't really moving and worst case, he'd look better if it DID start gaining traction towards a lynch because of how aggressive he was.

grapes pretty blatantly panicked when the wagon on him started, the post he made trying to attack eagle is proof enough of that.

Finally, BuJ's vote on grapes had that same weird justification, like he was more worried about how he appeared after the vote than actually lynching a scumread.

Good solid case. I will Buj to my short scum list

[Liger_Zero]

If you think you're better than me then go ahead and lynch your pet scumreads and we'll see what they flip.

Sounds good

[Liger_Zero]

Theres multiple posts but I think that's the start of it. Yeah.

[Liger_Zero]

Yeah I didn't haven an opinion on him before that.

[Liger_Zero]

definitely could see xtoxm being scum

Must be town then

[Liger_Zero]

Votecount 3.7

Liger_Zero(5)

~ Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁸⁵⁾, MaxwellPuckett⁽⁶⁸⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽¹⁹⁷⁾, DrDolittle⁽⁹⁸⁾, Dannflor⁽⁹³⁾

Xtoxm(3)

~ mcqueen⁽²⁵⁾, Vedith⁽⁴⁹⁾, Prince of Renais⁽¹²⁸⁾

Vedith(1)

~ NerfedBuJ⁽³⁸⁾

Prince of Renais(1)

~ Xtoxm⁽⁴⁷⁾

NerfedBuJ(1)

~ Ankamius⁽¹⁴³⁾

MaxwellPuckett(1)

~ Liger_Zero⁽¹⁰⁶⁾

DrDolittle(1)

~ Jingle⁽⁹⁰⁾

Ankamius(1)

~ Karmeleon⁽⁸⁸⁾


Not Voting (1): RAS⁽⁴⁶⁾

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-05 16:49:59)

Searching for a replacement for Vedith.

Add Nerf on to me.
Add Jingle on to Xtoxm and I think that's all the vote changes

[Liger_Zero]

I just don't understand why you'd be explicitly against a lynch you have no opinion on when you've had a very small amount of scum reads

Notice the words "not interested in this right now" not "never for this lynch at all". I am not sure where you derive these opinions on what I am saying being more than what they are saying.

[Liger_Zero]

If I was scum couldn't I just widen my scum pool as my reads are lynched though?

[Liger_Zero]

he eventually needs a larger lynch pool
but all he needs to do is push someoen and be wrong

and then go "oops wow I don't know what I'm doing someoen else take charge"

I actually agree with this post.

[Liger_Zero]

Definitely not lynching liger if their townflip makes you not vote xtoxm

You just don't want to be responsible for townflips lol

[Liger_Zero]

Definitely not lynching liger if their townflip makes you not vote xtoxm

You just don't want to be responsible for townflips lol

I thought you townread xtoxm

I am. What does that have to do with this? I feel like we have a constant communication barrier here dann and I am starting to get you are intentionally doing this.

[Liger_Zero]

liger flip scum
xtoxm is next
liger flip town

xtoxm looks slightly better

does it work the other way around

like xtoxm town flip makes liger look slightly better?

no

actually i feel the worst about xtoxm in the pool of four

i might have this reversed - i don't know that liger defends xtoxm as scum like he did

That doesn't make sense...

[Liger_Zero]

To lynch 2 scum

You must first lynch one scum

are you sure?

[Liger_Zero]

Definitely not lynching liger if their townflip makes you not vote xtoxm

You just don't want to be responsible for townflips lol

I thought you townread xtoxm

I am. What does that have to do with this? I feel like we have a constant communication barrier here dann and I am starting to get you are intentionally doing this.

I literally

never
ever

intentionally misrepresent or misinterpret posts regardless of my alignment

I do not understand what you are getting at in 3897. Would he not be 'responsible' for a townflip in xtoxm if that lynch went through?

I was talking about my lynch not xtoxm lynch. I don't know xtoxm flip for certain and I think it would be a scum flip. Prince implied he thought I was flipping town and didn't want to be apart of a town flip and that was the commentary I was making on it. I don't know what is complicated or strange on this.

I wasn't talking about xtoxm lynch with that post. At all. Yes I think if prince got his lynch he would be getting a townflip which he doesn't want to be apart of, but I wasn't commenting on that.

[Liger_Zero]

Definitely not lynching liger if their townflip makes you not vote xtoxm

You just don't want to be responsible for townflips lol

I thought you townread xtoxm

I am. What does that have to do with this? I feel like we have a constant communication barrier here dann and I am starting to get you are intentionally doing this.

I literally

never
ever

intentionally misrepresent or misinterpret posts regardless of my alignment

I do not understand what you are getting at in 3897. Would he not be 'responsible' for a townflip in xtoxm if that lynch went through?

I was talking about my lynch not xtoxm lynch. I don't know xtoxm flip for certain and I think it would be a town flip. Prince implied he thought I was flipping town and didn't want to be apart of a town flip and that was the commentary I was making on it. I don't know what is complicated or strange on this.

I wasn't talking about xtoxm lynch with that post. At all. Yes I think if prince got his lynch he would be getting a townflip which he doesn't want to be apart of, but I wasn't commenting on that.

Had to fix this.

[Liger_Zero]

What if we lynched Max? That's a crazy thought.

[Liger_Zero]

What if we lynched Max? That's a crazy thought.

Why Max though?

I made some reasons earlier. I don't have the energy to restate things.

[Liger_Zero]

Shame on me for wanting to lynch the slot with the highest % of flipping scum???

I forgive you

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: mcqueen
Theres two scum left and like 15 players alive so Im ready for the mislynch train

Which has nothing to do w the mcqueen vote fwiw

If someone is townreading him @me

@Rei Im gonna read piecemeal so waiting for me to be done probs wont work just do ur worst ill town it up or die

Is this because no one is hard townreading them?
Not getting this vote.

Idk whos townreading mcqueen thats why I asked
The vote is bc I think hes scummy

Why?

Like why am I here all scum Maxie shopping for reads when theres an entire thread of opinions i could grab for convenience
idk i feel like im pretty obvious trying to interact w people and talk abt their reads and your conclusions arent making any sense
@Liger

Because your opinions do look like they are being shopped so far? Not seeing much in terms of original thinking but I haven't been really reading your posts as of late so theres that.

Because your opinions do look like they are being shopped so far? Not seeing much in terms of original thinking but I haven't been really reading your posts as of late so theres that.

Are you reading my posts now Liger
I dont rly care if I get lynched bc the points against me are tbh fair
But if I had to pick a scum on me its Liger
Shit Dann said about me was yeah bad, Ligers doing it here too, not to mention the vote on me amidst other players being suspicious of me
Like he just kinda slides in there w the vote while RAS and Danna are going off

Yeah, I see that people are getting more suspicious of you and that theres growing interest in a wagon on you.

And like in terms of criticisms against me ive found Danns for example to be pretty valid
Meanwhile Ligers are that Im not showing original thinking which is wild when Im defending both Dolittle and Xtoxm as everyone runs around developing partner associations based on either of them being scum
So yeah i dont think hes reading my posts either

Like if you put any thought to it most of my opinions have been unpopular so idk how you get that theyre shopped from that
Dann was def me following the crowd on that vote but thats one thing among other things
The only player ive rly ingratiated myself to is Xtoxm and if I was shopping for opinions id probably... idk try that on someone a bunch of players arent trying to lynch
But the reason Im TRing xtoxm is mostly bc a) emotional reactions are shit he doesnt fake as scum (obvs scum is allowed to have emotions i HAVE considered that) and b) I read the game Ank was talking abt where xtoxm got mislynched like this
also c) Xtoxm was a bro he reminded me or a game we were in together and said "nice to see you again" and it felt good, sue me

I don't think defending xtoxm is all that unpopular as you are saying it is. Nor is dolittle.

[Liger_Zero]

Those posts of mine are very underwhelming. I am not gonna need to make a concise case on this if I want anyone agreeing with me. I am worried I will just be fabricating reasons if I do so though.

[Liger_Zero]

I thought I made better posts about it.

[Liger_Zero]

Those posts of mine are very underwhelming. I am not gonna need to make a concise case on this if I want anyone agreeing with me. I am worried I will just be fabricating reasons if I do so though.

Okay, I don't really understand the reasoning behind it?
Is it more gut then?

Well if you go back and reread Max posts about read details you will find they kind of mesh with the general consensus, I saw them and was thinking they are just going with the general game reads and mixing around that. Max says that some of their positions were unpopular, don't think that is the case at all.

When you see their pushes for instance on McQueen was pure omgus. Then pushes me on omgus. Most of their push/attempts in the game are pure reactionary on the game. Which I am not sure is scum favoring for them given what I gather from his personality but I don't believe the reasoning behind reads are even much there.

[Liger_Zero]

Want a hug?

[Liger_Zero]

someone update me, why all the votes on Liger?

Couldn't honestly tell you.

[Liger_Zero]

ugh i break out in hives every time i accidentally read a prince post

I think they sell a cream for that.

[Liger_Zero]

I have this itching fear that even if I get lynched no one will lynch Max. That saddens me.

[Liger_Zero]

I haven't read too many of L0's recent posts and mostly focus'd on older stuff, but one thing I noticed when I interacted with him a little earlier is that there was a lot of passive aggressiveness coming from his posts.

Uhhh what? I don't go passive when I go aggressive. I have been snarky but not passive aggressive here.

Also this isn't a read.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay, and you don't want to question me because....

[Liger_Zero]

You are too personally attached to your Prince read right now Xtoxm.

[Liger_Zero]

Like friendly advice: You could be right but the way you are approaching it will make everyone assume this is a vendetta thing. Which is the same thing I get from Prince on his read on you, no matter how much he claims it isn't, every post and justification he gives is utter bullshit that I can see through that he just wants you out of the game. The same goes for you but you are doing it in a more obvious way than he is. So you both need to chill and come back with some objectivity to it by cleansing all this from you for awhile.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay, and you don't want to question me because....

I could, but like I said, my vote is on you purely because of Gamma's posts. There's not much I could ask you that would help me change my mind, unless you can explain why all of Gamma's post are practically empty. I really dislike how you jumped to conclusion when I specifically said my vote on you was purely because of Gamma's posts, but whatever.

They are empty. I read them and got nothing while reading except I don't think gamma was mentally in the game.

Not sure why you are hanging up on his posts when I am here.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay, and you don't want to question me because....

I could, but like I said, my vote is on you purely because of Gamma's posts. There's not much I could ask you that would help me change my mind, unless you can explain why all of Gamma's post are practically empty. I really dislike how you jumped to conclusion when I specifically said my vote on you was purely because of Gamma's posts, but whatever.

And how would you dislike being scumread for a predecessor who made a tenth of your posts while the person says "I have no opinion on you"? Cause that is what you are doing which is utter crap.

And I am about an inch away from just going full on aggressive with you if you think I was being "passive aggressive" before, you won't even know what this is.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't even know man. There is so much wrong with all that. Theres no beginning or ending to it. I should go do something productive like watching paint dry or something.

[Liger_Zero]

I am fine with getting lynched if everyone agrees to lynch Max tomorrow. So far only 3 people agreed to that, I think? And I get the impression they are backing out of that immediately after my lynch.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

Can we go back to this please

No.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

Can we go back to this please

No.

Why.

Think about it, you might get the reason.

[Liger_Zero]

RAS vote Max.

[Liger_Zero]

Why are you playing this game planning out day 9. This is the current day. Lynch your scumreads. This isn't some game of RISK where we need to get all our pieces in the right position.

[Liger_Zero]

Why are you playing this game planning out day 9. This is the current day. Lynch your scumreads. This isn't some game of RISK where we need to get all our pieces in the right position.

I would like to redirect you to the third line of my signature

You don't lynch final scum by playing RISK.

[Liger_Zero]

I want max tomorrow:

VOTE: Nerfed

[Liger_Zero]

Looks like grapes is not as bad at scum as I thought.

I also hate this post but I'm in serious danger of conf biasing at this point

Also no, that isn't a post town makes almost ever unless the player in question fooled a bunch of people. grapes did not do that.

[Liger_Zero]

RAS is probably town

Yea

unfortunately

[Liger_Zero]

Stop just sheeping wagons DrDoLittle, it looks like you are just going with the flow without thinking about reasoning behind it which looks scummy.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Max

I don't trust this now.

[Liger_Zero]

liger. town is scattered as shit. we need to consolidate on something.

You aren't helping by just pushing random pushes without thinking about them.

[Liger_Zero]

There's nothing worse than an apathy scattered no lynch, and this game is damn close going to be like this if it keeps going on

VOTE YOUR SCUMREADS.

[Liger_Zero]

You aren't helping by just pushing random pushes without thinking about them.

ok, here's what i'm thinking: Buj is an all right push and a candidate for a late game deep mafia. I like it more than xtoxm and max, and indifferent between that and you

Less than satisfactory. D+

[Liger_Zero]

Who am I supposed to voting right now?

Max

[Liger_Zero]

What does BuJ stand for? I think this is the most pressing question to this game right now.

[Liger_Zero]

What does BuJ stand for? I think this is the most pressing question to this game right now.

urban dictionary says its short for budget or means something of low quality.

[Liger_Zero]

What does BuJ stand for? I think this is the most pressing question to this game right now.

urban dictionary says its short for budget or means something of low quality.

[Liger_Zero]

I voted liger because his push on max feels like bussing to me. He replaced clem, and just the whole game has felt like scum have been doing nothing. It is also the basis of my ali read and paranoia, she is scum with shitty partners. So I could go for max first, I don't mind giving liger that. It's just people are thinking liger's town flip incriminates max, and vice versa, when I think a scum flip is more damning. I also think vedith is very possibly scum here and the townreads on him baffle me. I don't know why he has a reputation for giving a shit as scum more than town. The guy can obvtown with the best of them and there's none of that here. He's basically just tunelled me the whole game or commented on comments about him or posted NAI stuff.

So you think me, max, and vedith are scum.....
What?

[Liger_Zero]

Like if he is spending his time having to defend himself and yet he feels content with the game state that's more town if anything.

You just sound like your making up reasons to townread him. You reading your posts?

[Liger_Zero]

I missed your vote Eagle. It feels so comfy here.

[Liger_Zero]

Like if he is spending his time having to defend himself and yet he feels content with the game state that's more town if anything.

You just sound like your making up reasons to townread him. You reading your posts?

Of course. I double check them too.
Peoblem?

As long as you recognize it, we golden.

[Liger_Zero]

I did too
that's why I put it back

I knew you loved me.

[Liger_Zero]

if you're secure in my love
you won't mind if i move it again, right?

No, never move your vote from me. That would be a betrayal. I won't let you cheat on me.

[Liger_Zero]

Like if he is spending his time having to defend himself and yet he feels content with the game state that's more town if anything.

You just sound like your making up reasons to townread him. You reading your posts?

Of course. I double check them too.
Peoblem?

As long as you recognize it, we golden.

Oh I was reaponding to "are you reading your posts?" part.

I don't know what you saw in there but clearly I was arguing with Ankamius there?

Give me your keys. You have had enough tonight.

[Liger_Zero]

Give me your keys. You have had enough tonight.

No, never, nada, nein, damedesuyo, non bene

Spell out the alphabet backwards to prove you are sober.

[Liger_Zero]

Touche.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: nerfedbuj

we can go for a hammer in 2 posts if you want mcqueen, don't want to fence sit, lets do it.

[Liger_Zero]

i claim lyncher
my lynch target is liger

if you help me lynch my target i'll work w/ town for the rest of the game

I believe this claim.

[Liger_Zero]

i claim lyncher
my lynch target is liger

if you help me lynch my target i'll work w/ town for the rest of the game

This game doesn't have lyncher...
"Lynch All Liars" is a phrase I've seen somewhere when I read things before.

He is a lyncher whether his role says it or not.

[Liger_Zero]

i'll hammer buj if everyone votes liger right now

Okay you vote Buj first and then I will vote liger.

[Liger_Zero]

Eagle, you complained about fence sitting earlier and now you are fence sitting. End it or admit you are fine with fence sitting.

[Liger_Zero]

The day continues...

[Liger_Zero]

Reiuji want to play chess while we wait?

[Liger_Zero]

like actively aggressive and antagonistic, doing everything to NOT sound survivalistic cuz that way peopel are more likely to townread you without you having to actually put any effort in

You just described yourself.

[Liger_Zero]

Max if you want to bus, you can vote Buj right now. I will give you 5 town points redeemable at any Zoids shop near you.