Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Lycanfire]

VOTE: Vedith

[Lycanfire]

whoever vigs alisae gets to ride to lylo

[Lycanfire]

1. How comfortable do you feel playing town/scum?

100-100

2. What are you good at, what aren't you good at?

Making posts nobody reads and making posts nobody reads

3. What part of playing mafia is most natural to you?

Catching the scumfucks

4. What is one thing about the current meta that you think should be changed?

Mafia should get a day kill along with a night kill so town winrates can finally hit 0% and everyone can blame bad towns

5. How well do you know the other people in this game, and how excited are you to play?

I don't know anybody in this game I only know what they want me to know about them

[Lycanfire]

Everyone should be Transcend

[Lycanfire]

Frozen Angel's first posts weren't particularly manipulative which is why I changed my vote, if anyone's wondering.

Did anyone else have this reaction to FA's posts?

1. does it matter

2. should he need a reason to change his rvs vote

3. is any of this actually ai even though it looks ai

this my super easy rqs round where all the questions have the same answer!

[Lycanfire]

Reactions matter, yes. The issue isn't whether he needs a reason to change his vote, it's whether a townie would react the way he did.

I was de-compiling everything about it

Does it matter? - Scum intent is to pocket, town intent is to bait

Should he need a reason? No, giving one is bad

Is any of this AI? Only if you ignore half of the variables like you did

VOTE: Shoshin

[Lycanfire]

Whether he needed a reason to change his vote. That's crucial to figuring out his intent regarding FA.

Now whether

I

personally felt that way about FA, no, I don't think FA can exploit me at all beyond making herself out to be complete lynchbait. That's a form of manipulation in the sense that you can technically eat ice cream through your nose.

When it comes to reactions the only ones that really matter are his, FA's, and anyone who has played in games with both of them.

[Lycanfire]

[Lycanfire]

I'm not sure if Yume got better or worse

Maybe she just started smoking weed

[Lycanfire]

Good point. Hippies are cool. This is just a weeb quoting simon and garfunkel.

Weebs should be illegal because it's a gateway to furryism

[Lycanfire]

Shoshin said something about me being manipulative which still makes no sense. lycan fire attacked it cause it had a logical flaw in progression. I still don't understand the basis of that argument.

Someone should probably explain Shoshin wagon pre selfvote nonsense too.

Hey seeing as this is the same slot maybe I should explain it better

Preface: EE changed his vote from his RVS choice FA (now you) to Vedith. Rather than provide a reason for Vedith, he gave a reason for not-FA.

Shoshin voted EE, and came back 40 minutes later to say this

Frozen Angel's first posts weren't particularly manipulative which is why I changed my vote, if anyone's wondering.

Did anyone else have this reaction to FA's posts?

Which I immediately found to be flawed. If the idea is that this is scummy, I can see why. Pointing out to FA saying "wow I guess you aren't manipulating me, we are both productive members of this great town!" has a pocket angle - that's bad. It's doubly bad to seem overly concerned about justifying why you're voting the way you are as well. This led me to the town motive-EE playing strangely as a bait.

I offered my easy RQS encore round in 173 thinking that any reasonable person would connect the dots. Shoshin didn't and earned my vote in 176. Favoring one outcome over the other to the point of ignoring all other evidence made me feel like she wanted one outcome to be true... and it's a pretty convenient conclusion to make as scum.

I'd like to keep reading and get a better read on her but I consider myself as someone that learns well with visual cues. I made this which explains my position on policy lynches.

[Lycanfire]

prince is araby is eddie cane btw

[Lycanfire]

prince of araby i mean

dang autocorrect fingers

pagetop

[Lycanfire]

So, in summary if I'm understanding this correctly:

Shoshin voted EE for doing a scummy thing but didn't show awareness of why it was scummy nor the potential town motivation?

Maybe?

Shoshin dropped the issue and everybody decided this was the cool place to party all weekend. Let me sift through the garbage and see how she feels on EE.

[Lycanfire]

[v’]jingle[/v]

this is why town winrates have gone into the negatives

[Lycanfire]

i feel sorry for your gf

[Lycanfire]

no one says "I feel very threatened by scum you." rather than acting in a way that expresses the emotion she talks about feeling it. scum.

nice catch. i'm going to run it through the computer

[Lycanfire]

it's been nice knowing you, jingle. be less obvious next time

[Lycanfire]

Grapes wagon is just eh.

Is your problem with it Grapes or the people voting Grapes?

[Lycanfire]

Sup y'all! I'll try to read tonight, can't promise I'll get any posts in before tomorrow though

UNVOTE:

I realize it's only D1 but are there any funky events/wagons/points-of-interest that have happened that could be useful to keep in mind when reading from the beginning?

run far away

[Lycanfire]

Grapes wagon is just eh.

Is your problem with it Grapes or the people voting Grapes?

Grapes. Like hes not obv town but there are much better lunches in the horizon. Plus the speed that the wagon developed smells a bit opportunistic, like people wanting off attn on Buj

Grapes is gross because he defended DT's policy shitposts

I wouldn't call him town or rush to call him obvious anything

I have varying TRs on basically the whole wagon besides Shoshin. Claiming something like speed of wagon a factor is pr weird considering this game is 14:3. Who's shit stinks the most? Is it just Buj, or did speed of wagon a factor before his vote as well?

[Lycanfire]

Who said I'm townreading you?
That post was me saying this isn't town!vedith.

And scumcase on shoshin was because she ignored DT's attempts at engaging her directly. Like she got something to hide.

It has adapted to she is claiming self-votes are NAI but townreading people who townread her selfvote and scumreading people who scumread her selfvote. It tells me that the real motivation behind the self-vote was to get townread, not to get a wagon going and get people talking (though I don't agree that a townie should selfvote for this reason)

this post kinda sucks because it encourages dt vs shoshin while saying nothing substantive on its own

[Lycanfire]

Vedith how much experience do you have with Enter?

[Lycanfire]

Fuck speed of wagon



VOTE: Grapes

L-1

[Lycanfire]

Wait that's a hammer

bye grapes

[Lycanfire]

can we meme lynch alisae today

VOTE: Alisae

[Lycanfire]

Rest in shit alisae

[Lycanfire]

what's the case on alisae btw i feel like i'm in the truman show rn

[Lycanfire]

i have a nebulous tr on alisae because if they were a scumfuck they would try to get my attention more than they already are

see: that game where people ignored em as scum or that thread in MD i made where eyyy made an ass of emself in bad faith

the sheeping is kinda nai reminder to actually read what you people are saying again tomorrow

[Lycanfire]

btw getting DT's gif is what caused me to ignore my own post previews. expecting someone else to post within that minute is dumb. next

[Lycanfire]

Lycan, who are the scums?

I mean, how about you?

You TMIed DDL in 1501 but at the same time he hasn't answered who exactly rubbed him the wrong way bc he said grapes was a bad wagon due to distracting from buj. only after buj voted him did he revise it to that speed of wagon shit.

maybe it's irrelevant w/ grapes flip so yeah, you're worse for believing there was an actual concern

VOTE: Dannflor

[Lycanfire]

-snip-

oh and she can fuck right off with that lynch me at lylo thing. she's made a point many times of saying that she would never try to use that kind of rationale regarding me. she claims that she can read me
in fact she has proven that she can read me over a succession of games. the one game where I was scum she told irrelephant to lynch me. she hasn't read me as scum when i was town.
and yet in this game where i've spewed myself town to death she's hiding behind a paranoia read instead of solving me.

claiming to be good as town comes with perks as well as penalties and her saying that i'm scum here is in and of itself enough reason to lynch her. end story.

who gives a fuck who you are

Pretty sure I know who you are, btw.

wew thanks for not alt outing anyone jingle

this case is pretty much entirely precipitated on shoshin knowing renais is renais from the beginning. did you get this impression d1, jingle?

[Lycanfire]

Lycan, who are the scums?

I mean, how about you?

You TMIed DDL in 1501 but at the same time he hasn't answered who exactly rubbed him the wrong way bc he said grapes was a bad wagon due to distracting from buj. only after buj voted him did he revise it to that speed of wagon shit.

maybe it's irrelevant w/ grapes flip so yeah, you're worse for believing there was an actual concern

VOTE: Dannflor

i don't understand anything you're saying in this post sorry

you have bad reasons for you beliefs and taking what DDL said at face value is sus, but makes a lot more sense if you know his align.

[Lycanfire]

holy fucking shit can today be second sunday so i have an excuse not to deal with this

[Lycanfire]

like what does DDL have to do with that post for starters

you have bad reasons for you beliefs and taking what DDL said at face value is sus, but makes a lot more sense if you know his align.

I was literally voting DDL two seconds ago what

Why did I have DDL as maybe town? Honestly no idea

bECausE yoU rEAd thE thrEAd

[Lycanfire]

snip

I thought FA was near unreadable garbage posting. I'm giving her and Enter a pass for the PL stuff because in the case of FA

that's pretty much exactly what I'd expect her to do regardless of align

or in Enter's case because he gave that bit about being a 65 year old scummer reminiscing bout the good old days (hint this is why I tr Reiuji but not really)

How much do you agree with Renais FA-scum meta and is scum!Jingle dependent on Shoshin being scum?

My Jingle TR pretty much comes from the fact that he ignored all the fluff hitting Shoshin but singled out my argument against her. I don't think scum!Jingle goes the extra mile for scum!Shoshin here, because it was like he was talking to me directly to explain what I was getting at the first time around.

or maybe double dog daring me is an acceptable risk and i should feel bad for being shite at mafia

so the exact opposite to your read.

[Lycanfire]

gg peeps

think i would have enjoyed playing with a lot of you in different circumstances.

[Lycanfire]

grapes lynch was tragic. i wish it was me.

[Lycanfire]

Jingle was doused

Then how did we lose?

scum can douse and ignite after n1, so you need two doused lynches

[Lycanfire]

surprised that 3 people tried metaing me or pushed some dank multilobby theory in order to townread my slot but nobody checked out my survivor game where i was scum with rc and couldn't give a shit about the game?

[Lycanfire]

[===]

one free i will replace in for you ticket ankamius

that's twice in a row

[Lycanfire]

Lol you're Ank's predecessor that doesn't work unless you're also playing us here in the dead thread

i feel like you should know me better

[Lycanfire]

pagetop

[Lycanfire]

i will reference this game just to make firebringer wrong

[Lycanfire]

I was very close to fully solving this game on D2, by the way. I think scum got a bit lucky with my replacement.

You weren't giving town what they needed. A number of times people asked why you were scumreading me and you reduced it to shitplay without saying why. Maybe I shitplayed. I don't think I did, but maybe I wasn't motivated to find anything better. I was already making plays to set up the next day and finding that something better. (somebody called out that someone could be doing that during your lynch but I don't think I was named specifically. whoever did that is a prophet.)

[Lycanfire]

Lycan's scum because his push on me earlier in the game was shit

found the problem boss