Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Alisae]

I’m kinda excited to play mafia
This isn’t a feeling I’ve experienced in awhile

Hello

[Alisae]

whoever vigs alisae gets to ride to lylo

Look I know I was awful back then but give me a second chance please I’m a better person now.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Eagle
Yo RQS in 2019 poggers

[Alisae]

Also how come you were around during 2017 but I literally never saw you I was literally everywhere in 2017

[Alisae]

that was towards Eagle but I think he knows that.

[Alisae]

Also how come you were around during 2017 but I literally never saw you I was literally everywhere in 2017

Oh crap, it's 2019 now isn't it? I should have said three years ago. My bad, I apologize.

oh ok

[Alisae]

that its ancient and nobody uses it.

So actually nothing

[Alisae]

Yo why are you so uptight?

[Alisae]

its not even phrasing of what your saying, though it is kinda awkward.
the fact you care so much about where people are voting on the first few pages of the game is what irks me

[Alisae]

Oh, yeah. Isn't it weird? I like it though. It's fun to talk about. What if we assumed everything everyone did was for a reason, no matter how small? Then would you care to talk about votes on the first two pages of the game?

I'll get back to this a post later but for now, how excited are you for this game on a scale of 1-10, 1 being not really at all 10 being most hyped up moment in your life

[Alisae]

Things are done for a reason thats how we get out of RVS. We only take about what happens on these pages on these pages. These pages are actually very insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things. You aren't going to be refer to be basing things on page 1 to get a read on someone on page 50 or higher or whatever. You're just not.

however, if you're really looking forward to the game and you rand villager, its likely that your behavoir makes sense, so it comes out as awkward and trying to force a start of the game when simply put one doesn't exist. Because you're trying to force the game to start quicker, it looks awkward, therefore this interaction happens.

So ur probably just town tbh but I'll re-evaluate tomorrow just to be sure

[Alisae]

Things are done for a reason thats how we get out of RVS. We only take about what happens on these pages on these pages. These pages are actually very insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things. You aren't going to be refer to be basing things on page 1 to get a read on someone on page 50 or higher or whatever. You're just not.

however, if you're really looking forward to the game and you rand villager, its likely that your behavoir makes sense, so it comes out as awkward and trying to force a start of the game when simply put one doesn't exist. Because you're trying to force the game to start quicker, it looks awkward, therefore this interaction happens.

So ur probably just town tbh but I'll re-evaluate tomorrow just to be sure

Do you not think that town and scum post differently in RVS?

And if they do, can't we use this to build cases?

I agree that it becomes less and less important as the game goes on, but a lot of times one or more scum can be caught in RVS alone.

no and if u use it to build cases and those cases aren’t on a single digit page your case is shit.
If your posting a case on a single digit page then thats a red flag in of itself

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is lyncanfire transcend?

-insert is this a pigeon meme here-

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I actually dont like EE's reaction to DT

why

[Alisae]

I think that's a bad vote.

ngl I am agreeing

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

Ngl I don’t get why people were voting one of the most towniest people in the game current (which really doesn’t say much considering we’re not that deep into the game) but it seems people are voting me now and I don’t really see a problem with that.

[Alisae]

why

I couldn't trace his emotions in it.

He was joking about something sirious he was doing and it just felt bizzare.

words joking and sirious are not accurate. not sure how to describe it. Lets say "Out of place"

ngl I thought this too but I decided to ignore it because I think thats likely just how he writes and isn’t really alignment indicative. Idunno I’m not buyin it tbh.

[Alisae]

VOTE: clemency
Honestly now that I think about it this is better then voting not voting

[Alisae]

ngl

Ngl

ngl

If she tells me she can't, I'll reply
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme
Let me know that at least she will try
And then she'll be a true love of mine

ngl
I have no idea what teh fuck ur saying
But I have to care because I have to get a read on your slot because surprise
That’s how mafia works

[Alisae]

I'm not sure if Yume got better or worse

Maybe she just started smoking weed

I started smoking weed
Thats not what yume or what someone smoking weed looks like
I don’t think Yume even LIKES touhou

[Alisae]

pedit: What are your current reads ali?

Eagle town tbh not much to really good off of aside from that, nothing interested me in the last few pages.
But that’ll change prolly.
You?

[Alisae]

tbh I have a guess behind who the alt is and who would do something silly like that but I’m not 100% sure on it, its probably wrong, and I am not going to say anything anyways because even if my guess IS right, I like that person.

[Alisae]

Weebs should be illegal because it's a gateway to furryism

[Alisae]

Anyway, none of my quotes or votes were random.

ngl, if you're trying to get someone to ask you why you did something, you might as well talk about everything you did

[Alisae]

my current main read is that I'm sleepy. I think I'm going to start from there and see how things develop - in bed.

then I have no idea what the fuck you expect from me read wise.
But yush get some sleep dear

[Alisae]

FA is probably town btw but its kinda too early to lock it in.

[Alisae]

hell its too early to be calling her town but that's how mafia works

[Alisae]

Cool can we go onto the next meme now?

[Alisae]

dang dude, and I had high hopes in my life!
I met someone I love
I started smoking weed
things were looking good.

[Alisae]

is rei=yume known info or are you guessing

oh I can confirm its not a yume alt

[Alisae]

know her too well
thats not a yume alt

[Alisae]

why did I unvote a townread huh thats a good question why would I possibly unvote a townread?

[Alisae]

Gonna do life stuff this is just a note for myself that I left off at 236

[Alisae]

About Ali I have a bunch of mixed feelings that I'm sorting out rn. But they definitly gave their town read on me "Too early" for my liking. They even said it was too early afterward but I have a hard time digesting it. Waiting for more context from ali tbh.

before I read anything gun to head what am I?

[Alisae]

pedit: You're cute ali. As I said mixed feelings. The gun on your head is not helping.

Alisae is likely to be scum this game.

Strongly disagree
Disagree
maybe
eeeeeh
agree
strongly agree

where u at

[Alisae]

who do you want dead?

[Alisae]

also btw there's no neutrality in that case in this case eeeeh is moreso leaning towards teh town side but the weaker side of town.
Sorry if that wasn't clear, if this changes things you should probably state so.

[Alisae]

What do you remember about my scum meta?

[Alisae]

VOTE: Frozen Angel

[Alisae]

Why FA, Alisae?

This is an A and B conversation you can C your way out until your invited in.

[Alisae]

okay look thats a fairly rude way of saying it and I know your waiting for me to talk about a lot of stuff and to read the thread and to post my thoughts on what I missed, but can you wait a little?
I'm trying to sort one of my best friends let me sort and I'll get back to you when I'm done.

[Alisae]

I'm kinda making this push trying to figure out
A. If my brain is making something feel way more important then it should be just because its significant to me meaning this push is baseless, meaning the push is meaningless and maybe your town.

or

B. If you are aware of my play, but chosing not to commit to a stronger read on me because I'll be a bigger juicy push for later. The way you're talking about me made me cautious so I wanted to see if I could make you commit to some kind of more defined stance, even if it was the weakest levels of town or weakest levels of scum. Given how I went about stating my earlier "read" I kinda felt like it would look more like a red flag to you then what you presented.




or

C. I'm high and this is some high iq shit

pedit: I asked her to C her way out because I don't think they're going to have anything to add and maybe after listening a bit, it would make sense. Because that vote as it is now doesn't mean anything and its easily something that can be asked "why". Like I'm trying to think through my posts and find out more before I drop everything I have on me.

[Alisae]

Okay yeah, I'll apologize, I did definitely forget that. I'm still kinda worried though, but I'm not going to stop myself from just talking to you before I come to some solid ground. And that's what I'm supposed to do, that's how mafia works.

Its not really a reach to say that the shoshin wagon is probably the biggest wagon at the game in the current moment.
I kinda just pulled the trigger on a vote because it seems really opportunistic its not on your kill list but your giving attention to it anyway, just seems way to o easy for me. And here you are trying to get me to support it in a way that feels very out of place in the current situation.

Can you help me out there?

pedit: that sounds better I guess but where did you get this strength from?

[Alisae]

It doesn't feel like FA's reading the same game as me.

tbf
you should just address her concerns
so you are slightly in the wrong here as well

[Alisae]

I think I'ma read what I missed before I say anything mroe.
The only questions I can think to ask now are the ones that'll backfire if you actually are scum, and if you're town I'll probably just get the same answers you would provide as a wolf. There would be a difference but I would have no way of knowing what that difference is.

I haven't read any of the game since I last posted the post where I said the post to start off from so...

[Alisae]

Why is Eagle town, Alisae?

because he was posting early like a excited townie who doesn't know how to get the game moving right away so all attempts in doing so end up looking extremely awkward.

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Whether he needed a reason to change his vote. That's crucial to figuring out his intent regarding FA.

I haven't said anything about EE's intent in changing votes. I'm just saying I don't feel like EE reacted to FA's manipulative posting from an uninformed perspective.

(I also think most of the "reasons" behind behaviors are unconscious so I don't really care to scumhunt exclusively on the basis of "intent").

As I have played with FA before, I feel relatively informed on my own personal tells on her, so I'm not coming at the situation from an uninformed perspective?

go test your tells in a lab and tell me when they have a 100% success rate in her CURRENT play.

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i have one tr so far
anyone doing better

poggers, its a town post

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what you at

2 kinda strong (for RVS) trs
a couple weak trs
and a couple tentative scum reads

I'd say I have reads on like seven players right now

Yeah dude ur trying too hard.

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why did I unvote a townread huh thats a good question why would I possibly unvote a townread?

don't be a bitch. i didnt know you rvs'ed eagle

no smiley face

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Can you put names to your reads, Eagle?

I'll give you 3 of your choosing, but I'd rather not reveal everything at the moment cuz I'm still trying to recover from the the disassembly of my wagon. I really rather thought we might be going somewhere.

That's about the worst reason I've ever heard for withholding reads. If you're looking for reactions on a specific person, then sure, keep the read to yourself. Otherwise, please out them.

This buddy.

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hey grapes i remember you being obvtown as town
you made 3 posts and dont look obvtown yet
step it up

okay can you tell me when they obvtowned yet so I don't have to read the slot?
Thank you very much


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Things are done for a reason thats how we get out of RVS. We only take about what happens on these pages on these pages. These pages are actually very insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things. You aren't going to be refer to be basing things on page 1 to get a read on someone on page 50 or higher or whatever. You're just not.

however, if you're really looking forward to the game and you rand villager, its likely that your behavoir makes sense, so it comes out as awkward and trying to force a start of the game when simply put one doesn't exist. Because you're trying to force the game to start quicker, it looks awkward, therefore this interaction happens.

So ur probably just town tbh but I'll re-evaluate tomorrow just to be sure

Do you not think that town and scum post differently in RVS?

And if they do, can't we use this to build cases?

I agree that it becomes less and less important as the game goes on, but a lot of times one or more scum can be caught in RVS alone.

no and if u use it to build cases and those cases aren’t on a single digit page your case is shit.
If your posting a case on a single digit page then thats a red flag in of itself

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That's a narrow-minded view imo.

That shit means NOTHING late game dude and its actually worthless garbage.

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This is boring.

VOTE: Shoshin

town with 400 IQ

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i am not getting town read~ i am getting "unfairly" scum read~ *self vote*

Jesus have mercy on me

holy shit you are obnoxious

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What's the harm in self-voting?

Quit mafia if you were asking this genuinely.

Self voting as town means you are playing against your win-condition of trying to find and lynch scum.

Self voting as scum means you are playing against your win-condition of trying to survive and mislynch townies.

Huh? You are self voting for "strategic AtE purposes"? Cut that shit out. That is utter bullshit and has 0 strategic purposes. All you are doing is, "I am so town/I can't be scum (as either alignment) because I am self voting" which goes against the integrity of the game and doesn't add any value to solving the game because you will not only self vote as one particular alignment and literally helps nobody in trying to solve your slot.

And dense.

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All of you haters need to break out your boxes. Self-voting doesn’t mean anything bad will happen.

VOTE: Doubting

See? No harm done.

To be clear, I voted myself to get a wagon going. It wasn't "AtE" or because I was "scumread." It was to consolidate votes.

Yeah this is town.

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it would have looked townier if you said something like, "stfu DT I fucking hate you. I self voted myself because I don't want to play with you" but okay

good luck trying to lynch me Mrs. Self Voter

You honestly have no right to act like ur a big shot here.
This is MS and you're the new kid around in the block
So you look stupid when you talk like you own it.

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Policy lynching is beyond stupid. I'll actually replace out of this game if that's what this comes to.

I'm going to assume for the moment it's just scum DT trying to manipulate this situation to his ends.

ngl
idunno what u were expecting

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Policy lynching is a shitty crutch for people who don't know how to distinguish town from scum. It also prevents creative plays & makes games completely unfun.

creative plays?

tell me what about

"This is boring"

"*Self vote*"

was fucking creative

what the fuck in the world did you get out of doing that? What did you accomplish? How did that make the game more fun?

CREATIVE PLAYS INCOMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG



VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW I AM SO CREATIVE GAME IS SO MUCH MORE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: shoshin

die. worthless

If you flip scum (which is VERY possible), great
if you flip town, great, we have some obnoxious 5 year old out of the game.
sign me up
VOTE: DT
thats a policy lynch
its also a scum lynch

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Policy lynching is a shitty crutch for people who don't know how to distinguish town from scum. It also prevents creative plays & makes games completely unfun.

I can assure you that voting yourself to get more votes on you is in no way creative. As someone who has been wagoned (and pushes people to wagon himself multiple times) I guarantee that all you did by voting yourself was give some people a reason to put their vote on you under the guise of PL-ing, and other people a reason to TR you (because why would scum vote themselves), both of which just means you generated easy content for scum that's not as discernible from the rest of the game.

Policy lynching isn't a "shitty crutch" it's a bar. Far too many people on this site play below baseline acceptable for town. Policy lynching encourages creativity in play because it gets rid of half-wits who think lurking, sheeping, and self-voting are new and creative ways to play mafia.

I was actually voting Clemency because I wanted to pl him for being actually worthless but DT is scum and worthless. I am a big fan of policy lynching.

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Karmeleon, what're your reads at this point?

Spoiler: Towncore

Spoiler: Towncore candidates

Spoiler: Scum candidates

Everybody else is null.

Good post.

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Summary of shoshins play:

>Continues to ignore my attempt to engage her by just askinng a question

>I vote her

>Self votes after saying this game is boring

>Gets shit because self voting accomplishes nothing but level 0 scum or town reads

>Says I am scum for advocating a policy lynch on her

>Says policy lynch advocaters are people who cant discern between scums and towns and kills creativity of the game even tho sef voting, as eagles said, is a cancer vote that accomplishes nothing but wifom and has absolutely nothing creative about it

>After getting slam dunked by eagles says, “Why dont you find scums instead of talking sbout policy lynches”

LMFAO this is scum mvp level play if town

no its not.
Ur making this out to be the end of the world.
Shoshin isn't stupid, she isn't going to put herself in lynch range while self-voting regardless of alignment.
Yet your losing your fucking mind because OMG A SELFVOTE
what about that action was actually anti-town in the context? Not in general, in the context of what happened when the self-vote occured and what happened as a result of it.
I think its more pro-town then anything you wrote.

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I've never seen a town lose because of a self-vote.

I have tbh

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I think shoshin is town. I think EE is town. I think DT is scum. His engagement in this line of fire is a bit over the top angry.

But my day 1 reads are typically awful so.

ok come play some more instead of giving out some really basic stuff, swim into the deeper waters and give us that good stuff that actually helps us figure out your alignment instead of this really basic "wow, these are the most obvious reads atm, lets out them even tho they're obvious to everyone"

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VOTE: shoshin
see things like this are far better to read into when you can compare how the "play" is used as both alignments..

Xtox is town. He easily could have stayed on my wagon if he were scum but he's thinking steps deeper. He caught what I was doing (building a wagon) & moved off as soon as he saw DT's scummy reaction. His earlier posts were already townish but this solidifies the read for me.

but for a reaction test you've never used first hand im just a little more pinged by the overconfidence here. Xtom voting you and then dt isn't what I'd call a deep thought process but more a thing that he did.

DT's likely scum. I don't see town DT responding this strongly to a self-vote when he knows that townies do it all the time. His inability to keep straight whether he's pushing me as a PL or pushing me as scummy scum feels like scum who wants me to get lynched for the self-vote but doesn't want to seem scummy for exclusively pushing a PL. He's also blatantly buddying up to EE in ways that feels like scum/town.

And could you unpack this a bit more?

yeah xtox just tell me if this is town or not plz I don't wanna read this

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is rei=yume known info or are you guessing

I'm me :V
This is my second forum mafia game, first one in mafiauniverse (never again)

lol

[Alisae]

HOLY SHIT THATS BIG

@FA, where did shoshin actually mention manipulative posting?

[Alisae]

Frozen Angel's first posts weren't particularly manipulative which is why I changed my vote, if anyone's wondering.

Did anyone else have this reaction to FA's posts?

Whether he needed a reason to change his vote. That's crucial to figuring out his intent regarding FA.

I haven't said anything about EE's intent in changing votes. I'm just saying I don't feel like EE reacted to FA's manipulative posting from an uninformed perspective.

(I also think most of the "reasons" behind behaviors are unconscious so I don't really care to scumhunt exclusively on the basis of "intent").

@FA these are the onyl posts in that ISO that have the word "manipulative"
I think your overeacting to something that was just phrased/interpretted (one of those) very fucking badly.
Like I think your angry over a miscommunication

[Alisae]

@shoshin I think what FA wants is for you to elaborate on that.

[Alisae]

{xtox, shoshin, Eagle, the touhou alt}
This is a towncore I feel very happy with at this current moment.

[Alisae]

DT should absolutely be a lynch that happens.
FA read might change, I'm starting to think this is a misunderstanding, but it really comes down to what happens as a result of me helping both parties just now.

The rest of the children need more data.

[Alisae]

Frozen Angel's first posts weren't particularly manipulative which is why I changed my vote, if anyone's wondering.

Did anyone else have this reaction to FA's posts?

Whether he needed a reason to change his vote. That's crucial to figuring out his intent regarding FA.

I haven't said anything about EE's intent in changing votes. I'm just saying I don't feel like EE reacted to FA's manipulative posting from an uninformed perspective.

(I also think most of the "reasons" behind behaviors are unconscious so I don't really care to scumhunt exclusively on the basis of "intent").

@FA these are the onyl posts in that ISO that have the word "manipulative"
I think your overeacting to something that was just phrased/interpretted (one of those) very fucking badly.
Like I think your angry over a miscommunication

They had a fucking wagon going on cause of those two posts before they self voted.

is 2 posts not enough? should we consider the 10 pages of crap they added to game with that self vote and say yeah the scummy part is too little in that iso so we can ignore it?

What the fuck is your point?

@shoshin why you keep ignoring my question?

you mentioned "Frozen Angels manipulative posting" Several times

What manipulative posting? Quote and show what posts are you talking about NOW

You kept on quoting this over and over and what I am talking about is meant to help with this.

[Alisae]

Hopefully, we play in a future game ali that doesn't have people like this

Kay~
If you want my take, I think ur overeacting. You should probably just take a bit to cool off.
But I respect the decision if I was getting as heated as you currently are then I would probably do the same.

[Alisae]

You kept on quoting this over and over and what I am talking about is meant to help with this.

I don't need your help

Yeah I kinda realized that after I read that post you posted that explained everything.
I'll look it over when I can comprehend it.

[Alisae]

Yeah I get it sorry.

[Alisae]

If you DO want to play more mafia, join access point, I'm in that and so far the playerlist looks fine but up to ya.

[Alisae]

shoshin anything you want me to touch on or look at?

[Alisae]

but it really comes down to what happens as a result of me helping both parties just now.

This is probably scum Ali btw

had to say it before leaving the game entirely.

I do kinda wanna know what is wrong with my observation on DT because I don’t see town pushing a lynch this way, and I’m starting to see why I was so shit at wolf when reading those posts

[Alisae]

What do you think of Buj voting me even though he knows townies self-vote?

It’s not scummy just wrong.

[Alisae]

I’m honestly more interested in why DT is town
(They mentioned they townread him)
Then why Bu voted you tbh.

And if anyone wants to chip in on why they TR DT, then I’ll hear it out.

Pedit: Gut mostly, also kinda feel like the amount of reads they started out and made their first post is akin to mine with this game. Like, it felt like they saw that there wasn’t really much that happened that was super alignment indicative when they made their very first post, and I kinda agree with that mindset.
I think there might of been another thing but this is the most of it.

[Alisae]

I dont get alisaes scum read nor town read on shoshin

Hopefully we can have a meaningful conversation later

no meaningful conversation to have with you
Just a lynch

[Alisae]

re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he lead a mislynch on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

its not giving up I’m just lazy tbh if I can rely on my peers to get a read on you because they simply put just know you better, I am going to rely on them.

[Alisae]

I also think people are mistaken in evaluating the overreaction. I think it is much more likely to come from town.

yeah I’m really interested in why you think this.

[Alisae]

Yeah I’m not moving off of DT ywall are gettin side tracked easily here

[Alisae]

Yeah I am going to hate playing in this.

[Alisae]

So uh
Why aren’t we punishing the person who tried to commit way too hard to lynching someone based on self-voting?
Why does town produce that overaction when trying to lynch what is the most obvious town slot in the game currently?

[Alisae]

buj flips scum a lot of the time people

based on what

[Alisae]

Alisae Scum on a BuJ scum flip.

oh no I am trying to push something else that isn’t your wagon
Gotta be scum

[Alisae]

UNVOTE: DT

yo where am I wrong
Walk me through things plz

[Alisae]

God dammit dude

Anyhow what interests you the most right now?

[Alisae]

Anyhow what interests you the most right now?

Nothing much really, aside from this whole thing.

I have few reserved-for-day-1-only townreads.

do you wanna talk about anything FA related or do you wanna wait on that as well?

[Alisae]

If it's about her blowing up and replacing out, it's null.

Nah not that, more interested in the other content that she did provide.

[Alisae]

Like, does she look like town pushing shoshin or does she look like scum pushing shoshin, is she justified there, is she not justified there?
That stuff

Like just re-read the parts where she was catching up and where I was interacting with her and if there’s anything meaningful you can get out of that then tell me

[Alisae]

Like, does she look like town pushing shoshin or does she look like scum pushing shoshin, is she justified there, is she not justified there?
That stuff

Oh that thing.
That looked like just playstyle conflict gone big.

what she also presenting on DT and then just completely ignored is also interesting to me
Like she said DT irked her then never touched back on it

[Alisae]

So uh
Why aren’t we punishing the person who tried to commit way too hard to lynching someone based on self-voting?
Why does town produce that overaction when trying to lynch what is the most obvious town slot in the game currently?

Because NerfedBuj is more likely to flip scum than DT imo

wow
This was so enlightening
This told me everything I needed to know




Said no one ever

[Alisae]

what she also presenting on DT and then just completely ignored is also interesting to me
Like she said DT irked her then never touched back on it

Given the situation and how it developed, it is perfectly reasonable regardless of her alignment I think.
She was locked on to shoshin almost right after her last comment about DT.

okay thank you, anything you need from me?

[Alisae]

what she also presenting on DT and then just completely ignored is also interesting to me
Like she said DT irked her then never touched back on it

Given the situation and how it developed, it is perfectly reasonable regardless of her alignment I think.
She was locked on to shoshin almost right after her last comment about DT.

okay thank you, anything you need from me?

Yes. look at vedith's posts and tell me about how scummy he is

or tell me i'm wildly insane and then i will go cri in a corner

nobody was talking to you you STUPID burd brain

[Alisae]

@burd brain

In all seriousness idc ask me for a vedith read mid-late game I’ll give you one then.
Reading trash like that right now is actually a waste of time, he literally has the same odds of being scum as everyone else.
I think you should expand your horizons for now. There’s a lot more to teh game then vedith

[Alisae]

okay thank you, anything you need from me?

You do you, and I'll come back tomorrow to read up.

Kay~

[Alisae]

@burd brain

In all seriousness idc ask me for a vedith read mid-late game I’ll give you one then.
Reading trash like that right now is actually a waste of time, he literally has the same odds of being scum as everyone else.
I think you should expand your horizons for now. There’s a lot more to teh game then vedith

Ok, Vedith or me. I could be scum, too, right?

my point is right now he’s nothing but a troll to me

[Alisae]

oh you poor soul

[Alisae]

actually thinking responses to RQS is the more alignment indicative thing about a person on page 27
I feel so bad for you dude

[Alisae]

GO LEAVE BEFORE I OUT YOUR MAIN

[Alisae]

yo eagle here's my response to your claim


pedit: the touhou alt

[Alisae]

are those fusion monsters going to vote for vedith with me?

SHIT
I WISH I HAD 5000 FUSION MONSTERS TO VOTE FOR ME.

[Alisae]

even more reason to lynch the slot tbh

[Alisae]

ouch. That hurts, ali.

always scum dude <3

[Alisae]

that is some fucking spicy shit dude

[Alisae]

Woah

[Alisae]

scum case

not a scumcase

but hey, if you're unhappy with MS meta, you're welcome to leave the site

[Alisae]

Like, I have a really good read on catching really good players who are not being engaged in the thread as well as they should be if they were town.

For those of you know the likes of Bopolis, Wiggles, Knights, Achromatic, Dyachei, etc, I have like 100% scum read on legendary town players who are not really "actively" trying to catch scums when they were wolfing. Not like activity-wise active, more like, are they engaging with people in the thread and trying to solve everyone's slots?

iirc, Alisae has won like best town or scum player in the scummies last year, right? and she also has like 23k posts here?

The posts she's making here and the empty reads she's giving out while refusing to interact with me and trying to justify her fixation of tunneling me feels like a good player trying to play poorly on purpose.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HE THINKS I'M GOOD AT THE GAME
HAHAHHAHAHA
THATS SO FUCKING FUNNY OMG

[Alisae]

dude I recently just came out of retirement and started playing again.
I don't play often and only started again because I'm mentally healthy for once in my life and it feels fucking great.

If you want a case, its that your reaction to a self-vote is so blown out of the water that its not town.
You just also happen to be an annoying brat, so it solves 2 probelms with 1 stone.

[Alisae]

Like, I have a really good read on catching really good players who are not being engaged in the thread as well as they should be if they were town.

For those of you know the likes of Bopolis, Wiggles, Knights, Achromatic, Dyachei, etc, I have like 100% scum read on legendary town players who are not really "actively" trying to catch scums when they were wolfing. Not like activity-wise active, more like, are they engaging with people in the thread and trying to solve everyone's slots?

iirc, Alisae has won like best town or scum player in the scummies last year, right? and she also has like 23k posts here?

The posts she's making here and the empty reads she's giving out while refusing to interact with me and trying to justify her fixation of tunneling me feels like a good player trying to play poorly on purpose.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HE THINKS I'M GOOD AT THE GAME
HAHAHHAHAHA
THATS SO FUCKING FUNNY OMG

I like alisae but this response is not good

I don't like the dude so he gets 0 respect.

[Alisae]

I think as town, I would feel more justified with my thoughts on a site meta like 'self voting' to rage and overreact to people who are committing that sin.

i am not sure i buy that your entire scum read on my one reaction to a self-vote while there were many others who gave a disapproving reaction to shoshin

u were the loudest and loud is scummy

[Alisae]

don't care

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Eagle go summon 5000 fusion monsters to vote vedith

[Alisae]

just get your hands on the card and pay 1 life point

[Alisae]

thats a good question dude
fuck if I know

[Alisae]

You could also go for this card

[Alisae]

T-Thats not gonna make me townread you
B-Baka

[Alisae]

D-Dammit T_T

[Alisae]

uh dude
the only person he didn't post examples of posts is EE, and there he's refering to EE's body of work.

[Alisae]

VOTE: EE
okay I am getting annoyed of this vote vedith shit now tbh

[Alisae]

Is this entire game just shitposting

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Alisae]

Is ThIs EnTiRe GaMe JuSt ShItPoStInG

Actually die, that is never a villager post the world of like, actually ever.

[Alisae]

Please shut the fuck up

[Alisae]

No one wants to hear about your 40 page deathtunnel on vedith because you get to triggered at someone’s answers at RQS

[Alisae]

@Jingle

come vote with me

Pedit: I Don’t actually care I just want you to shut up

[Alisae]

@Jingle

come vote with me

Pedit: I Don’t actually care I just want you to shut up

Telling me to shut up for answering questions other people ask me is kinda rude. Please stop.

no u stop or I out your main for those who don’t know it

[Alisae]

Please understand I am asking you to stop since you are doing nothing but decreasing moral by wanting to be that one guy who deathtunnels a slot the whole game and does nothing else.

You are part of a way bigger problem

[Alisae]

No I’m really not.
This game is a fucking shitshow and I want out of it.
There’s no reason for me to even bother with playing because the morons here are just going to say that everything I do is scummy
Arrogant pricks like DT are running around y’all in circles and for the most part people are just letting it happen
And then there’s you, that one guy who has a read that literally no one cares about and people have said multiple times that no one has cared about it. But no, you keep on going because you want to feel important.

So I’ma just keep on lurking, I don’t see why I should commit to posting over 1000 times or trying to play a game where its fucking worthless to solve if people aren’t going to give your slot a chance and other people just care about their own egos to the point where it makes playing the game significantly worse.

[Alisae]

You have 176 posts
176 of those posts are deathtunneling vedith
Please let that sink into your head for a bit

[Alisae]

Yes

[Alisae]

what
he didnt vote vedith til p39
i dont even remember him mentioning vedith before

he’s been doing it all game????????????

[Alisae]

What's your read on Buj, Alisae?

I literally could not give a fuck right now I haven’t read a single post, nor do I plan on it until I feel like playing the game again

[Alisae]

Anyhow that’s my contributions for this game see ywall on the 12th

[Alisae]

In all seriousness, I am probably gonna spend the rest of the day working on a birthday present for my girlfriend and spending time with her. Since spending time with her is something that actually makes me happy and recently she’s been feeling sad.

You can might as well call it a 1 day V/LA.

[Alisae]

Do you blame victims of rape too?

ngl I got a good laugh from this

[Alisae]

Look, if you feel like this is a problem, hit the report button and the listmods will deal with it.

Please don’t derail the game because of this.

That is literally all there is to it.

[Alisae]

the car is town

[Alisae]

[v’]jingle[/v]

[Alisae]

[v’]jingle[/v]

this is why town winrates have gone into the negatives

because i stopped caring?
Sounds accurate

VOTE: jingle

[Alisae]

I’m a simple guy
I see someone making sense
I sheep

[Alisae]

Plus its not like my jingle read suddenly went away it still existed

[Alisae]

Baka

[Alisae]

No go back to voting Jingle

[Alisae]

no I’m demoralized town
Maybe it’ll fix itself
Maybe it won’t

[Alisae]

I’m scum for not badgering my gf on discord which I should be doing instead of giving this thread the light of day tho.

[Alisae]

were u scum in the first merchants daughter? Didnt rejoin the second

no I randed town in both
the difference being I replaced out of the 2nd one for the exact same reason why I can't get into the game here

[Alisae]

I like fish

[Alisae]

i feel sorry for your gf

FUCK YOU

[Alisae]

I'M ACTUALLY TRIGGERED
SHIT

[Alisae]

VOTE: shoshin
I am following this fisherman I hope he yields the highest quality of fish

[Alisae]

I don't wanna get into it.
I just wanna sheep the guy who sounds smart.

[Alisae]

VOTE: grapes

[Alisae]

I will say this is a first for me, causing two players in a game to replace out. I'm not sure how to feel about this.

you might have been a factor to why I replaced out as well if I chose to do that

[Alisae]

I would not trust the lobby to do what you want if you die
if you want something done do it yourself.

pedit: create an environment thats frustrating to play in.

[Alisae]

if you are REALLY asking that question, then I dunno what to tell ya

[Alisae]

Look shoshin, if you are still wondering post-game, we can bring it up then.
But I don't really feel like derailing the game and talking about why your actions cause this game to be kinda demoralizing for me and why your actions caused people to replace out.

[Alisae]

VOTE: clemency

[Alisae]

VOTE: grapes

[Alisae]

What do you mean awful?
That has to be the most amazing post I've seen in this last few pages.

[Alisae]

sounds like a lot of fun tbh sign me up

[Alisae]

have we ever been scum together alibae

yeah

[Alisae]

What does 5% worse look like

[Alisae]

okay what are we lynching next?

[Alisae]

just gonna wait till prince shows up tbh

[Alisae]

can we meme lynch alisae today

VOTE: Alisae

how about day 3

[Alisae]

I'll memelynch myself day 3 but I'm sheeping Prince until he dies.

[Alisae]

???

I must praise whoever the doctor is in this game.
Wonderful job so far.

what

It's a joke <_<

ya guys
haven't you seen those things called jokes
its one of those things

[Alisae]

Don't bring anyone past L-3 before I'm back

WHERE THE FUCK U GOIN

[Alisae]

kay

[Alisae]

VOTE: Lycan
tbh now that I think about it I think they think that their hammer was scummy and its lolcatty but I'm bad at mafia so please ignore me

[Alisae]

Alisae is not scum please stop voting them

I rather transform my reads to whatever you want them to be. I know my role in this game will be to finish off whatever you started because thats just what a loyal sheep does.
If you really DO care about my opinion, last wolves are in jingle gamma clemency and maybe Lycan but other then that everyone else is town probably.

[Alisae]

can we meme lynch alisae today

VOTE: Alisae

tbf
the only reason why I actually dislike this is because this is probably prince's last day to influence the game and this is a move to take that influence away from him

[Alisae]

like idunno
hammer doesn't feel accidental
this opening feels malicious

but I'm prince's sheep so this is probably wrong

[Alisae]

dunno don't care will care later

[Alisae]

FA

[Alisae]

yeah tbh I can't really argue with that I actually hate being ignored

[Alisae]

(btw I don't think there is a real case on Alisae it's just a lot of ppl going "yea I guess I could see that")

no
its
just
a
meme

[Alisae]

VOTE: EE

[Alisae]

wait
why does shoshin get her own category?

[Alisae]

kay

[Alisae]

Someone asked for reads:

Scum: (in order)

Shoshin

Gamma
Alisae

Vedith
Clem

Town:
Everyone else

locktown:
Prince of Renais
NerfedBuJ
Alisae
Reiuji Utsuho
mcqueen

strongtown:
Karmeleon
Xtoxm

leantown:
DrDolittle
Gamma Emerald

shoshin:

Shoshin

leftovers:

Clemency

Jingle
Lycanfire
Dannflor
Extrapolated Eagle

Vedith

I disagree with almost every one of your scum reads.

VOTE: EE

this being scum is our lose condition.

what does that mean?

WAT

[Alisae]

oh didn't see the almost tbh lol xD

[Alisae]

its okay I'll still have Reiuji when day 3 hits

[Alisae]

I have ~100% correct read rate on Alisae.
now tbf I've never actually played a game with Alisae
I've just modded or spectated them
But e's town
pretty sure of it
and I'm only lynching people I'll vote

why am I intrigued by the structure of the post way more then what ur saying

[Alisae]

okay that would explain it.

[Alisae]

Dann
if your that worried I'll pick up the slack day 3.
Glueing people and trying to get people working together is honestly what I thrive and and I'll probably be re-motivated to play then since I have to make sure people don't disregard what Prince says after he dies.

[Alisae]

Dann
if your that worried I'll pick up the slack day 3.
Glueing people and trying to get people working together is honestly what I thrive and and I'll probably be re-motivated to play then since I have to make sure people don't disregard what Prince says after he dies.

can you avoid a meme lynch after he dies?

yeet

[Alisae]

VOTE: shoshin

[Alisae]

wow
what a case

[Alisae]

does that mean I get to kill Jingle tomorrow?

[Alisae]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

[Alisae]

This is my moment
this is what i've been waiting for

[Alisae]

wat

im high
im confused?

[Alisae]

Its fine, that stuff happens.
You just have to make sure you get back on track, and eventually you wil because ur just flat out good enough.

[Alisae]

does that mean I get to kill Jingle tomorrow?

nah, but you get to try.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.

I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.

You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands.

Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue.

But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it.

You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

[Alisae]

Also, I'd totally not kill him here, because mafia is more fun when it's hard.

WAT

[Alisae]

I believe PR scumreads Shoshin here regardless of both of their alignments for :reasons:, FWIW.

feels like these kind of comments are only necessary if PR survives the night

which honestly probably never happens

Not really, no. It's the kind of comment designed to throttle votes onto shoshin so that we don't get a speed wagon and have more to analyze. I just gave people a valid way to not want to be on the wagon, and I want to see what comes of that.

Has pretty much nothing to do with PR.

Also, I'd totally not kill him here, because mafia is more fun when it's hard.

So would you act this way with Ellibereth?

[Alisae]

Also, I'd totally not kill him here, because mafia is more fun when it's hard.

WAT

I prioritize Mechanics>Strength of Play when killing.

I prioritize potential fun >> Mechanics when killing.

To that end, I don't think I've ever killed any of my 3 favorite scummers, and I've taken strong conftown into LYLO over making the optimal kill because it's less boring.

Maybe I just need the evidence to back up the claim

[Alisae]

okay now answer my other question

[Alisae]

oh I missed that sry.

ok thank you

[Alisae]

he created software to assist his play.

yeah this is about this.

[Alisae]

Actually
I'm going to case FA/Jingle now PR, I'm not derailing your wagon but I feel like if I try to push this D3 I'll have a harder time trying to get people to work with me then then I would while ur alive so...

[Alisae]

Disagree that elli cheats. Agree that NSG far more fun to play against.

this isn't about him cheating.

[Alisae]

Frozen Angel was scum here.

And so is Jingle but its more about FA.

---

　　　　　　　　　

The meta between us two

I've known FA for quite a bit, and I'm a good friend to her.
We also played mafia a bit, most of the memorable games to me are when I was scum vs her town.
This game is kinda how these interactions would play out.
I would awkwardly buddy her
She would feel awkward
I would then push her
and then she would kill me by stabbing me 100 times with forks
and then I would die.
I'M SORRY, I CANNOT INTERACT WITH THIS PERSON NATURALLY AS SCUM.

that is literally all of our interactions, and that game demonstrates it properly.
Not to mention, it was when FA was recently unbanned from MS, she was trying to come back and prove she was a better person then what she used to be (much like myself actually now that I think about it) and this kinda reflects that.

　　　　　　　　　

Okay so if thats what happened, how does that come into play here.

my current main read is that I'm sleepy. I think I'm going to start from there and see how things develop - in bed.

then I have no idea what the fuck you expect from me read wise.
But yush get some sleep dear

FA is probably town btw but its kinda too early to lock it in.

hell its too early to be calling her town but that's how mafia works

This was a really werid read at the time, and a lot of people were kinda concerned about it.
But it is tactical.
It's that awkward buddyish townread that would look like, come from scum!me to town!her, and then an immediate "I really don't want to commit to this and I realized that maybe, I fucked up here."
My expectation from town her is to go aggressive there

Instead, I got this

About Ali I have a bunch of mixed feelings that I'm sorting out rn. But they definitly gave their town read on me "Too early" for my liking. They even said it was too early afterward but I have a hard time digesting it. Waiting for more context from ali tbh.

Town!FA does not sit like this.
She also doesn't do this.
She KNOWS I'm lynchable atm.
This post allows her to sway towards lynching me if my lynch because a thing, or to townread me and try to get me to work with her.

So, I want to force her to take a stance there.

About Ali I have a bunch of mixed feelings that I'm sorting out rn. But they definitly gave their town read on me "Too early" for my liking. They even said it was too early afterward but I have a hard time digesting it. Waiting for more context from ali tbh.

before I read anything gun to head what am I?

pedit: You're cute ali. As I said mixed feelings. The gun on your head is not helping.

pedit: You're cute ali. As I said mixed feelings. The gun on your head is not helping.

Alisae is likely to be scum this game.

Strongly disagree
Disagree
maybe
eeeeeh
agree
strongly agree

where u at

eeeeeh if eeeeeh is a little bit stronger than maybe.

I really did not like your work so far about EE read or the read on me but that doesn't suggest you're scum - just need more content from you.

Okay so she scumreads me, cool.
Why am I the one forcing this out and why is she not acting on it?
Overall, all of this kinda points out to this

If you are aware of my play, but chosing not to commit to a stronger read on me because I'll be a bigger juicy push for later. The way you're talking about me made me cautious so I wanted to see if I could make you commit to some kind of more defined stance, even if it was the weakest levels of town or weakest levels of scum. Given how I went about stating my earlier "read" I kinda felt like it would look more like a red flag to you then what you presented.

and she responds with that with

I avoided giving a read on you cause I consider you as someone who is capable of going deep and giving an early read on you is a dangerous act.

In general, I give reads when I have them and I won't vomit reads. That is me in every game.

Again you should remember that about me - how I ask stuff and appear to be not following them. I transparently say what I got but I don't give cheap reads if thats what you're asking of me

The 1st line is bullshit. If you have the ammo to kill that person, you fucking go for the kill.
The rest is true, especially the last bit.
She's aware I'm lynchable, just doesn't want to go for that yet, and probably go for it later.

And while she outs the wolfread on Shoshin, she outs it on me, because we both know that based on our interactions, if we're not the same alignment, we're probably going to fight.

Basically, what it comes down to is meta manipulation.
The read on me looks fake and if she was town, she wouldn't have any reason to hold back and interact with me a bit more aggressively.

　　　　　　　　　

The bits Prince has to add to her play.

first off, FA isn't some unpredictable rage monster. In a world where FA is town there's no reason for her to be pissed off as she was.
She gets ultra pissed off as scum when she feels like her teammates are making shitty associatives with her. Shoshin was attacking all the townreads on her in a really SvS way.
Go read Antihero's game from a few years back where she replaced out in similar fashion and was super pissed off at Gamma Emerald.

Both Jingle and Shoshin have also been calling each other town, completely unexplained from Shoshin's perspective, Jingle we just saw
Also Shoshin is good enough to not be this dead wrong on Jingle when he hasn't even played well as scum
I can buy people who generally are not super good players like EE making this mistake, but not Shoshin. she's scum

Alright, who are you thinking about other than Jingle/Shosh? I agree the interaction there is awkward, but my read on shoshin is a lot of "wow you're a bad person doing a lot of anti-town things"

And for some reason I keep thinking that she's got it stuck in her head that doing anti-town things is townie, and for that reason I excuse it. Can you counter?

Shoshin is a really good player as town. she's just not town here.

The first paragraph makes sense. I feel like should 100% have a different approach to that if she was town then this.
Like, I feel like even with the whole shoshin self-voting issue being a thing, FA wouldn't blow up about that as town.

　　　　　　　　　

THIS FUCKING TOWNREAD.

btw lets talk about what jingle did.
I read 0 of jingle's posts up to this point but these

pedit: You're cute ali. As I said mixed feelings. The gun on your head is not helping.

Alisae is likely to be scum this game.

Strongly disagree
Disagree
maybe
eeeeeh
agree
strongly agree

where u at

RVS town on Ali.

To ISO
Lycanfire
Xtoxm

To IGNORE
Gamma Emerald
NerfedBuJ

To TOWN
Alisae
Reiuji Utsuho
Vedith
Karmeleon

To SCUM
PvtUrist
Extrapolated Eagle

To ANNOY UNTIL THEY START MAKING ALIGNMENT NOISES
Shoshin
DoubtingThomas
Clemency
DrDolittle
grapes
mcqueen


Groups very vague, honestly don't have much to go on outside of my townreads.

PVT scumread: fluffposting, no content. Feels like he's trying hard to avoid stepping on toes. Notable posts: 47 402 462 467

EE Scumread: Cares a lot about self image. Does a lot, says a lot, wants to be in the spotlight, but I still can't remember anything that actually feels like he's accomplished something. Universal townready feel, but there's absolutely nothing in his ISO that looks unfakeable, nor do I see an attempt to push forward into anything real. Basically, he has his fingers in all the pies, but I don't think he's actually baking.

Vedith: Posts like these:

I don't think I want Shoshin lynched day1

So I pick a vote out if vanity and just let Shoshin get lynched for bad reasoning?

Additionally, I can grok his trajectory. There's a clear intention to his posts, and that intention is to figure out motivations. He's been proactive, a lot of what he says matches what I think, and he's got a townish air of "I'm going to try to gamesolve" while not seeming to give a shit that his stances aren't getting him towncred.

Alisae: Given Ali's experience with me this:

even more reason to lynch the slot tbh

ouch. That hurts, ali.

always scum dude <3

is >rand town.

Additionally, antagonistic and aggressive stance indicates an openness and willingness that strengthens that read.

T-Thats not gonna make me townread you
B-Baka

Cool beans. Being townread is boring. I work way better when I don't get nk'd in the first couple of dayphases.

FA's replace out was a little oversensitive imo, although I understand that some people don't have particularly thick skins. I wouldn't blame Shoshin for DT at all.


I'm not dropping my PVT read yet. PR seems like I don't need to prod him tho.

VOTE: Gemerald

Don't worry, Alisae. It's fine. You can vote me.

Arbitrary Townreads for at least another day:
Reiuji Utsuho
Karmeleon
mcqueen

Actual Townreads:
Prince of Renais
Alisae
Extrapolated Eagle

Scumreads:
DrDolittle
Dannflor

Fuckit, who cares:
Shoshin
NerfedBuJ
Lycanfire
Clemency
Vedith
Xtoxm
Gamma Emerald

Top of each group stronger, roughly.

I have ~100% correct read rate on Alisae.
now tbf I've never actually played a game with Alisae
I've just modded or spectated them
But e's town
pretty sure of it
and I'm only lynching people I'll vote

cause it's slightly meme-y

THIS TOWNREAD IS SO FAKE
What is even weirder is that nobody even thought to question it.

　　　　　　　　　

Jingle's attempt to slow this shoshin wagon

But this started to irk me.

that's an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Not really, no. You know why, and if you want we can talk about it in a while. But you're smart enough to know it's true.

I don't think you're wrong. I just also think you would be in that headspace regardless of what else had happened this game.

I believe PR scumreads Shoshin here regardless of both of their alignments for :reasons:, FWIW.

feels like these kind of comments are only necessary if PR survives the night

which honestly probably never happens

Not really, no. It's the kind of comment designed to throttle votes onto shoshin so that we don't get a speed wagon and have more to analyze. I just gave people a valid way to not want to be on the wagon, and I want to see what comes of that.

Has pretty much nothing to do with PR.

Also, I'd totally not kill him here, because mafia is more fun when it's hard.

He knows who Prince is, I know who Prince is.
I don't think this is town behavoir.
And this proves it:

God no, Elli's boring to argue against.

For those who don't know, Elli is a Tool Assisted Scumhunter. Thats his reputation.
Is this cheating or not? fuck if I know
what I do know is that the reads Elli spits out are really accurate, and people know this.
The day would go on and as soon as he say this person was scum, the town AGREED to lynch them, and they flipped scum.
And then he would die, and then his other scumreads would be lynched.

Prince is equally just as good at the game.

I don't think trying to stop that is something that town!Jingle would do.
It's just, not.

[Alisae]

This is my case.
It is probably not good enough to do the job because I'm not that good at this type of thing.
But that is my attempt to explain why Jingle is scum to the best of my ability.

[Alisae]

I literally do not care about a single post jingle made tbh
I just included somethings that irked me, but I don't actually are about it.
What I am pushing is my interactions with FA and those means that she is scum, and also I am emphasising the importance of 1129

[Alisae]

Are we talking about how great nsg is?

we're not but we should be

nsg is great

[Alisae]

How much do you agree with Renais FA-scum meta and is scum!Jingle dependent on Shoshin being scum?

I think the 2 are definitely more likely to be scum together then not, especially with knowing how FA used to play.
Like old!FA self-voted a lot and did a lot of the things shoshin did a lot.
so FA being angry for doing some of the things she used to do doesn't seem right to me.

[Alisae]

really cuz I knew after 1

[Alisae]

Can she be at l-0 plz
Thank

[Alisae]

Alisae I will never be able to townread if she's alive in lylo, I'll be honest. Just haven't felt that anything she's done reflects how a townie should act if her claimed emotions are genuine.

honestly
I just don't think you've seen anyone go from engaged to dissengaged and then to engaged.

[Alisae]

I mean
I won't say no
but my heart wants jingle more

[Alisae]

In your heart of hearts do you honestly think you've posted enough to be townread?

People are in fact townreading me so yes

[Alisae]

If you are so confused on why people are townreading me, here, you like scumhunting, why don’t you ask them why?
I’m sure anyone who is townreading me can explain why they’re townreading me.
So you’re welcome to actively go out of your way to ask people why they are townreading me.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Jingle

[Alisae]

Not to mention how badly my town games have gone recently.

I have a winning game in geriatric get lost because I don't even know what happened.

And then I lose a town game where I didn't even get a chance to post once because a bunch of townies decided to quickhammer without letting me say anything.

This account is cursed.

VOTE: Shoshin

I'm moving on from this game and probably gonna stick to playing on my alts where I'm actually winning games.

I hope you feel really fucking proud of yourself for AtEing your way out of a lynch

[Alisae]

I really really hope
That you feel good and happy that u ate’d and suddenly ur not being lynched anymore
For 1 day.