Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[DoubtingThomas]

I am not in a good mood

[DoubtingThomas]

1. Comfortable as town. Nervous as scum

2. Good at: Game solving.
Bad at: Conforming to other peoples' expectations and not getting stressed out by not getting people to see my POV.

3. Scum hunting as town, messing with associatives as scum.

4. The site should not tolerate anti-town behavior, troll accounts also should not be allowed.

5. I have very limited experience with lycanfire, shoshin, DT, Clemency, DrD, vedith, mcqueen. I know Gamma a bit more. I'm excited because this game will decide if I want to continue playing forum mafia or end up just modding/spectating. I come here to relax. I failed at doing that while playing normally for 30 or so games so now I'm trying a different playstyle.

When did u play w me

[DoubtingThomas]

Hi vedith

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: nerfedbuj

Sounds like me when i first started mafia and had to play scum

[DoubtingThomas]

1. How comfortable do you feel playing town/scum?

Both are w/e

2. What are you good at, what aren't you good at?

Being townie regardless of alignment. finding scums as town

3. What part of playing mafia is most natural to you?

Being townie

4. What is one thing about the current meta that you think should be changed?

Idk mafia scum meta, but back where I used to play, lynching new players for not posting much/not lynching experienced players because they are experienced or post a lot

5. How well do you know the other people in this game, and how excited are you to play?

Like Vedith is the only one I played

I play on Mafia Universe and heard a lot of bad and good things about frozen angel lmao.

[DoubtingThomas]

we are actually married, but vedith is homophobic and does not want to publicize that

[DoubtingThomas]

we are actually married, but vedith is homophobic and does not want to publicize that

Enjoy the couch tonight!

[DoubtingThomas]

Gamma, how are you going to hit 100 posts this day phase with that kind of speed?

[DoubtingThomas]

1. How comfortable do you feel playing town/scum?

Both are w/e

2. What are you good at, what aren't you good at?

Being townie regardless of alignment. finding scums as town

3. What part of playing mafia is most natural to you?

Being townie

4. What is one thing about the current meta that you think should be changed?

Idk mafia scum meta, but back where I used to play, lynching new players for not posting much/not lynching experienced players because they are experienced or post a lot

5. How well do you know the other people in this game, and how excited are you to play?

Like Vedith is the only one I played

I play on Mafia Universe and heard a lot of bad and good things about frozen angel lmao.

actually looking at the playerlist, i played once with a lot of people, but i am not really comfortable with their 'meta' per se, so

[DoubtingThomas]

is lyncanfire transcend?

[DoubtingThomas]

I play on Mafia Universe and heard a lot of bad and good things about frozen angel lmao.

you heard wrong

I'm good and bad not bad and good

ur just banned

i heard u were a good player tho

from like prada and wolfy

[DoubtingThomas]

from like prada and wolfy

How is wolfy These days?

perma banned

[DoubtingThomas]

how do you know wolfy

[DoubtingThomas]

I play on Mafia Universe and heard a lot of bad and good things about frozen angel lmao.

you heard wrong

I'm good and bad not bad and good

ur just banned

i heard u were a good player tho

from like prada and wolfy

If you heard anything from Prada, what you heard is entirely 100% proved garbage no matter if its good or bad.

And I'm not going to talk about that here if you want, you can ask me about it post game in private.

maybe ill listen to you if you flip town

[DoubtingThomas]

???

[DoubtingThomas]

whats your name PUNK

[DoubtingThomas]

why you heffa to be so med? it's only a game

[DoubtingThomas]

I wonder if mcqueen is mad at me for lynching him from the greatest idea mafia game

[DoubtingThomas]

gamma are you town

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm not mad. Just stop talking about MU or I will replace out cause I'm not really in the mood for hearing about that shit - with respect.

So DT, what do you think about eagle pushing for gamma and me the way they did?

i dont really have an opinion

[DoubtingThomas]

also u said u know me? what do you know me from?

[DoubtingThomas]

probably like sports mash or something idk i was bad back then even worse than now (still bad)

[DoubtingThomas]

I play on Mafia Universe and heard a lot of bad and good things about frozen angel lmao.

you heard wrong

I'm good and bad not bad and good

ur just banned

i heard u were a good player tho

from like prada and wolfy

If you heard anything from Prada, what you heard is entirely 100% proved garbage no matter if its good or bad.

And I'm not going to talk about that here if you want, you can ask me about it post game in private.

maybe ill listen to you if you flip town

lol why would she lie about what others say about her as scum in this way

i just did it to annoy her, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

and for shittalking my boy, prada

[DoubtingThomas]

how do you know wolfy

Surprised you haven't worked out my name from there.
I'm sure you will after time \o/

oh boyyyy Vedith pulling this shit again

i see how it is

VOTE: vedith

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: Lycanfire

this is a nice iso

easy to read

[DoubtingThomas]

nuts say gamma clemency pvt town

[DoubtingThomas]

being bad at mafia doesn't mean you are not an even worse town who feeds free win for mafia

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: extrapolated eagle

serious tone and pointless joking content does no go well together

[DoubtingThomas]

also GE is a shit company

[DoubtingThomas]

and for shittalking my boy, prada

I'm adding another request to that no mu talk

No Prada mentions, please.

Thanks.

man you are a one needy girl

[DoubtingThomas]

no shit sherlock

[DoubtingThomas]

I played League once.

I'm very bad at Dota. What do you think of Mars?

VOTE: extrapolated eagle

serious tone and pointless joking content does no go well together

Good point. I think General Electric is probably a bad idea anyways. I really only wanted stock because of the rumors I've heard.

I do think Egg Enterprises is also a good company to take stock in.

insider trading is illegal my friend

[DoubtingThomas]

come on gamma. if you react seriously to troll friends, they will just troll you even harder. i bet you weren't that popular in high school

[DoubtingThomas]

eagle

[DoubtingThomas]

wolfy

[DoubtingThomas]

so scummy

[DoubtingThomas]

she didnt post gifs

[DoubtingThomas]

kill eagle because i simply dont want to read his posts. it is not to my liking

[DoubtingThomas]

wanna talk my girl

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin. where is ur head at

[DoubtingThomas]

no need for a runaway wagon when we have like half the player list have less than 10 posts

VOTE: Alisae

[DoubtingThomas]

sorry, princess, i don't get cold feet

[DoubtingThomas]

also how would anyone remember what the fuck you are posting if you keep saying parsley thyme onions while writing shitty poems

[DoubtingThomas]

UNVOTE:

why did u unvote

[DoubtingThomas]

why did I unvote a townread huh thats a good question why would I possibly unvote a townread?

don't be a bitch. i didnt know you rvs'ed eagle

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin. where is ur head at

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin. where is ur head at

[DoubtingThomas]

Can you put names to your reads, Eagle?

I'll give you 3 of your choosing, but I'd rather not reveal everything at the moment cuz I'm still trying to recover from the the disassembly of my wagon. I really rather thought we might be going somewhere.

a detailed read on me alisae and shoshin

[DoubtingThomas]

Frozen Angel: Usually her posts (when I've engaged her in the past) are aggressively emotional and actively OMGUS-y with the intent of using the fact that she's good at being cute and likeable to disassemble any logic used against her. I'm not getting this feeling from her right now, and I feel relatively confident in being able to call her scum if/when she does.

so why is she a town read?

[DoubtingThomas]

what

[DoubtingThomas]

lol actively denying simple information is just lmao

[DoubtingThomas]

like oh scums gonna win if they know why you town read one single player in the game or somehting

sigh

[DoubtingThomas]

I will say DoubtingThomas is probably town.

lol actively denying simple information is just lmao

You'll find my gameplay very funny then.

if you haven't noticed, i've been laughing at it for a long time now

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin actively trying to ignore my posts is kinda adorable

[DoubtingThomas]

eagle you want to make a towncore?

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: shoshin

TIME TO PUNISH NAUGHTY CHILDREN

[DoubtingThomas]

well are you gonna be able to step your game up sooner or later or

[DoubtingThomas]

mafiascum's selfvoting meta is laughable

[DoubtingThomas]

i am not getting town read~ i am getting "unfairly" scum read~ *self vote*

Jesus have mercy on me

[DoubtingThomas]

What's the harm in self-voting?

Quit mafia if you were asking this genuinely.

Self voting as town means you are playing against your win-condition of trying to find and lynch scum.

Self voting as scum means you are playing against your win-condition of trying to survive and mislynch townies.

Huh? You are self voting for "strategic AtE purposes"? Cut that shit out. That is utter bullshit and has 0 strategic purposes. All you are doing is, "I am so town/I can't be scum (as either alignment) because I am self voting" which goes against the integrity of the game and doesn't add any value to solving the game because you will not only self vote as one particular alignment and literally helps nobody in trying to solve your slot.

[DoubtingThomas]

mafiascum's selfvoting meta is laughable

I want to lynch it with fire.

I miss policy lynching self-voters.

i am not getting town read~ i am getting "unfairly" scum read~ *self vote*

Jesus have mercy on me

"Good luck without me tomorrow, town!"

If I had the ability to kill Shoshin for the self-vote I would do so immediately, including going so far as to quickhammer her.

We can revive it right here.

If I have killing power, she dies at night anyways. That kinda play is worthless for town to have around regardless of her alignment

[DoubtingThomas]

it would have looked townier if you said something like, "stfu DT I fucking hate you. I self voted myself because I don't want to play with you" but okay

good luck trying to lynch me Mrs. Self Voter

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin, if you think policy lynching is stupid, then how about... hmm..

NOT FUCKING DOING ANTI TOWN ACTIONS THAT WARRANT A POLICY LYNCH to begin with?

yeah, i think that's a good idea.

stop fucking blaming others for your own mistake.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself

[DoubtingThomas]

Policy lynching is a shitty crutch for people who don't know how to distinguish town from scum. It also prevents creative plays & makes games completely unfun.

creative plays?

tell me what about

"This is boring"

"*Self vote*"

was fucking creative

what the fuck in the world did you get out of doing that? What did you accomplish? How did that make the game more fun?

[DoubtingThomas]

CREATIVE PLAYS INCOMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG



VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS

[DoubtingThomas]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW I AM SO CREATIVE GAME IS SO MUCH MORE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: shoshin

die. worthless

[DoubtingThomas]

HOT DAMN

lets go eagles for PRESIDENT

Those posts are pure FACT MACHINE GUN thats just savagely violates illogical villaibs

[DoubtingThomas]

Summary of shoshins play:

>Continues to ignore my attempt to engage her by just askinng a question

>I vote her

>Self votes after saying this game is boring

>Gets shit because self voting accomplishes nothing but level 0 scum or town reads

>Says I am scum for advocating a policy lynch on her

>Says policy lynch advocaters are people who cant discern between scums and towns and kills creativity of the game even tho sef voting, as eagles said, is a cancer vote that accomplishes nothing but wifom and has absolutely nothing creative about it

>After getting slam dunked by eagles says, “Why dont you find scums instead of talking sbout policy lynches”

LMFAO this is scum mvp level play if town

[DoubtingThomas]

so alisaes post says

- i am obnoxious

- Town doesnt push like that

I can refute probably any sucm points u have on me if you address those that are actuallly AI

[DoubtingThomas]

Shoshin is pretending to know my meta thats cute

We dont have a single finished game together

[DoubtingThomas]

Shoshin “Ignoring questions is my town meta” *refuses to answer questions*

Productive

[DoubtingThomas]

Vedith why r u voting me? Because u dont want shoshin to be lynched? That doesnt make sense

[DoubtingThomas]

I dont get alisaes scum read nor town read on shoshin

Hopefully we can have a meaningful conversation later

[DoubtingThomas]

Also i hope shoshin drops the i know dts play implication because she has 0 finished games w me lol

[DoubtingThomas]

I am townreading ee fa and pvt

[DoubtingThomas]

My case doesnt make sense? Shoshin refused to answer my questions, and when pressured resorted to self voting

After getting shit for slef voting, instead of trying to uo her game, she reaorted to attacking us for shitting on self votingg

When pressured even further by ee, she backtracked and resorted to “find scums, ee” instead of defending her sctions nor trying to find scums herself (except for an omgus vote on me which she shades by making it look like i am purely trying to lynch her in an opportunistic way for the self vote, despite the fact that i was trying to ask her questions way before her self vote and voted her before she self voted)

How is this case hard to understand?

How is what shoshin doing anything that resembles a town?

[DoubtingThomas]

You can scum read me and vote me all you want

but blatantly refusing to understand a case of a person that has reacted very scummily and does nothing but refuse to answer questions because “its her town meta” is somethin i cant believe

[DoubtingThomas]

No those are not the same

I gave opinion on a lot of the people i intracted with

I find townies first. I dont try to pinpoint a single scum, i try to find my town core bloc to work w cuz its easier to find townies

You know this bc i said this in a game we finished together

Also u r telling me to find a scum while assuming my biggest scum read is town

You also said my reads are biased and doesnt mean much but want me to give u an imaignary scum while assuming my biggest scum read is town?

Thats a shitty question and i dont beleive u are asking that in good faith. My scum read will be just as bised as my town reads if anything. Its you or alisae

[DoubtingThomas]

No wonder ee scum reads u highly ur play here doesnt seem like u r tryinng to solve my slot, but focus on weakening my scum reads and my position in the thread worse

You say that my scum read is weakand you dont buy it but are not trying to explain why its weak because i feel strongly that ive never seen someone play any scummier or at least anti town as shoshin has played so far and you ate just ignoring my case with a mere “thats a weak case”

[DoubtingThomas]

Antitown isnt scummy is not a. Reason why that person is town

Scums pull antitown moves to harm the village. Tell me why she is town

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm trying to get you off a tunnel that doesn't help town.

But we're getting somewhere. So I'm not asking in good faith.
Do you think my motive for voting you as not a Scum read and defending Shoshin is Scum based?
I think Alisae has a decent chance of flipping Scum. Is it the voting with Shoshin?

Her long case on me is the only thing i really tried to read

It jad no substance except empty town read on shoshin for a post, attacking me for nai reasons like “you are a newbie in mafia scum so dont try to pretend like you own it”

Calling me obnoxious and “i dont think town pushes like he does” except... i do... and a lot of ppl do even ppl i know that plays here does and looks like alisae has tons of ww experience so idk where she gets that idea from

I try not to omgus anymore but when a case is as empty as this one i get biased and think they have negative motives

[DoubtingThomas]

Shoshin has gotten a lot of empty town reads from the clash w me that i can buy a town case on her

I think in situations where i thunderdome people and happened to be tvt scums try to pick a side and make false associstions while try to mislynch the otherside

I am also not tr’ing fa because she wants to kill shoshin but because her reaction w alisae. I think fa had a lot of independent thought and her tone when talking about how she hates pl but still thinks what shoshin is doing is scummy is real

Pvt had a neutral stance which often comes from town cuz town doesnt want to make a ruckus

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't know what you're looking for, Grapes. DT's pushing a mislynch on me by emphasizing stuff he calls "anti-town" while ignoring extensive evidence that this stuff isn't AI for me. He's also been unclear about whether he's pushing a PL or pushing me because he thinks I'm flipping scum.

Dont think i r reading my posts. I clearly tried to push u before u even self voted.

Just because u r doing NAI things doesnt excuse ur anti town behavior. Its nai, so it can easily be from a scum alignment. You are pulling anyitown gimmicks and tearing the town apart. You cannot possibly blame people for scum reading you

[DoubtingThomas]

Stop complaining about how u r getting scum read for NAI stuff in ur meta brcause this game isnt about guessing whos meta play is ai or not

It is about finding scums and ur attitude of “not answering questions is nai for me so i am not answeringg question” is not finding scum and is scummy

Nobody but jesus should give a kahoot about what one thing is nai or not in ur meta

[DoubtingThomas]

Try to sell me what is townie about shoshins posting

[DoubtingThomas]

Shoshin if u can give me a scum case on others excluding me i am happy to listen

[DoubtingThomas]

@everyone Such selfvotes - as bullshit as they are - are not AI. we are here to find mafia. Please calm yourself and look at the game context and try to hunt motivations instead of pushing for policy lynches. If you think shoshin as scum did it, it's a fair talk but if you just want that behavior dead, ruining this game to discuss and pushing a policy lynch is horrible way to do it.

Not true. There's at least 3 players on site that are town >> rand if they self vote.

which is fucking dumb. if you spew your alignment by self voting, or doing any particular activity, you are not really playing mafia.

[DoubtingThomas]

To ISO
Lycanfire
Xtoxm

To IGNORE
Gamma Emerald
NerfedBuJ

To TOWN
Alisae
Reiuji Utsuho
Vedith
Karmeleon

To SCUM
PvtUrist
Extrapolated Eagle

To ANNOY UNTIL THEY START MAKING ALIGNMENT NOISES
Shoshin
DoubtingThomas
Clemency
DrDolittle
grapes
mcqueen


Groups very vague, honestly don't have much to go on outside of my townreads.

explain pvt, EE, Alisa, and Vedit. Those are pretty much exact opposite of mine.

I have you as town Bc of FA

[DoubtingThomas]

I dont get alisaes scum read nor town read on shoshin

Hopefully we can have a meaningful conversation later

no meaningful conversation to have with you
Just a lynch

sums up this person's contribution this game.

"I am going to make a giant long wall of scum case on DT that really doesn't have too much substance, and when asked to be interacted, pretend to be cool and say, "no" "

is this really the gist of mafiascum's meta??

[DoubtingThomas]

DT, are you saying I'm scum or town who plays anti-town? What's your actual read on me?

You gave me nothing really to make me think you are town. Scummy and being anti-town has really no difference to me, especially if i don't understand why people are even town reading you. i have been constantly asking people why they town read you. got nothing so far.

I think people who are giving you a big town read while trying to push me could mean either you are town and scums are just trying to take side with one of us or you are team with them.

[DoubtingThomas]

I like DT I hope he's not scum

I like you too. Hopefully you are town :-0

[DoubtingThomas]

Like, I have a really good read on catching really good players who are not being engaged in the thread as well as they should be if they were town.

For those of you know the likes of Bopolis, Wiggles, Knights, Achromatic, Dyachei, etc, I have like 100% scum read on legendary town players who are not really "actively" trying to catch scums when they were wolfing. Not like activity-wise active, more like, are they engaging with people in the thread and trying to solve everyone's slots?

iirc, Alisae has won like best town or scum player in the scummies last year, right? and she also has like 23k posts here?

The posts she's making here and the empty reads she's giving out while refusing to interact with me and trying to justify her fixation of tunneling me feels like a good player trying to play poorly on purpose.

[DoubtingThomas]

Obviously, good players are usually good at scum too. When they scum, they can fake posts and fake solving. However, there will be a limitation to how much they can fake, because at the end of the day, they have to mislynch enough people to win as scum. That's why they will not be engaged as much and actively solve a lot of the slots on purpose, because they can't give accurate reads if they want to mislynch townies and win.

I am getting the same vibe, the same progression of reads from Alisae here. Maybe she's not as good as I am assuming she would be though

[DoubtingThomas]

Alisae is keep talking about mafia scum and how she is unpleased with how I talk down about mafia scum. I don't think she is scum reading me

[DoubtingThomas]

Alisae's a better vote than Xtox.

so you scum read alisae?

[DoubtingThomas]

Like, I have a really good read on catching really good players who are not being engaged in the thread as well as they should be if they were town.

For those of you know the likes of Bopolis, Wiggles, Knights, Achromatic, Dyachei, etc, I have like 100% scum read on legendary town players who are not really "actively" trying to catch scums when they were wolfing. Not like activity-wise active, more like, are they engaging with people in the thread and trying to solve everyone's slots?

iirc, Alisae has won like best town or scum player in the scummies last year, right? and she also has like 23k posts here?

The posts she's making here and the empty reads she's giving out while refusing to interact with me and trying to justify her fixation of tunneling me feels like a good player trying to play poorly on purpose.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HE THINKS I'M GOOD AT THE GAME
HAHAHHAHAHA
THATS SO FUCKING FUNNY OMG

i mean, if you are not, that's good. if you understand that you are a bad player, stop being overconfident with your reads and try to interact with people rather than just yelling scum

[DoubtingThomas]

I think as town, I would feel more justified with my thoughts on a site meta like 'self voting' to rage and overreact to people who are committing that sin.

i am not sure i buy that your entire scum read on my one reaction to a self-vote while there were many others who gave a disapproving reaction to shoshin

[DoubtingThomas]

Sad you won't be able to lynch an annoying brat with that kind of input and attitude though I pity you

[DoubtingThomas]

let me play the shoshin card,

"loud is NAI for me"

thank u, next

[DoubtingThomas]

thanks for contributing

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: alisae

[DoubtingThomas]

loud is not scummy. being daft is, however.

[DoubtingThomas]

daft is not the right word. probably thick is a better word. pretending 'not contributing' is cool, or twtbaw or something. just being unhelpful.

[DoubtingThomas]

loud is scummy hmm idk if this is an actual thought process, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

Alisae's a better vote than Xtox.

so you scum read alisae?

[DoubtingThomas]

i am gonna tell on you :0

[DoubtingThomas]

vedith feels like he has no scum reads

[DoubtingThomas]

PVT scumread: fluffposting, no content. Feels like he's trying hard to avoid stepping on toes. Notable posts: 47 402 462 467

EE Scumread: Cares a lot about self image. Does a lot, says a lot, wants to be in the spotlight, but I still can't remember anything that actually feels like he's accomplished something. Universal townready feel, but there's absolutely nothing in his ISO that looks unfakeable, nor do I see an attempt to push forward into anything real. Basically, he has his fingers in all the pies, but I don't think he's actually baking.

Vedith: Posts like these:

I don't think I want Shoshin lynched day1

So I pick a vote out if vanity and just let Shoshin get lynched for bad reasoning?

Additionally, I can grok his trajectory. There's a clear intention to his posts, and that intention is to figure out motivations. He's been proactive, a lot of what he says matches what I think, and he's got a townish air of "I'm going to try to gamesolve" while not seeming to give a shit that his stances aren't getting him towncred.

Alisae: Given Ali's experience with me this:

even more reason to lynch the slot tbh

ouch. That hurts, ali.

always scum dude <3

is >rand town.

Additionally, antagonistic and aggressive stance indicates an openness and willingness that strengthens that read.

i dont get the post examples you brought

also why only bring it for your town reads?

[DoubtingThomas]

what is karmeleon doing?

[DoubtingThomas]

DT, I know you're annoyed that I don't respond to your questions directly. I want you to know that your questions were in fact answered. You asked me multiple times where my "head" was at. I responded by posting in the thread, showing you where it was directed (at the time, not you). I didn't respond to your other questions directly but answers were provided in the thread. I tell you this so that you don't ignore my questions:

What's your read on Buj?

What do you think of Eagle's townread on Buj?

Okay, I will appreciate it if you can address me and communicate with me directly because I often look for more than a simple 'answer' when I ask questions. I want to look at your tone/attitude/understanding of my questions and those help me read your slot as well.

Wrt Buj, I haven't been up to date with all his posts, because I have been more or less tunneled on to you and focused on other players. I remember though he had a weird post (like EE pointed out) about how he knew me from another account but only actually played 1 game with me?

I also feel like he hasn't had a strong opinion besides a scum read on you. I don't understand why he's being a top wagon over my scum reads or other players who seem less impactful (like Karmeleon).

Can you explain your scum read on him?

[DoubtingThomas]

what is karmeleon doing?

Nothing personal, continue your thing.

do you have reads?

[DoubtingThomas]

i am not underestimating anything. I am accurately describing your play this game

[DoubtingThomas]

what is karmeleon doing?

Nothing personal, continue your thing.

do you have reads?

Yes, but I'm afraid you won't like one of them.

wanna share it or continue to be worthless?

[DoubtingThomas]

Jingle you have question for daddy?

[DoubtingThomas]

It will be too difficult for anyone to convince me Reiuji is mafia. Their active, agenda-less approach to attempt to solve my slot by considering both scum and town and finally to put me at one of their top townreads by using Alisae's (biggest pusher of my slot) own reasons to scum read me in order to town read me in a reasonable manner makes me think nothing but town town town

[DoubtingThomas]

Shoshin - I think I mentioned yesterday that I don't think Shoshin vs DT isn't TvT. And I just put DT as town, so technically my vote should be heading here now. Buuuuuuut I just don't feel right to put the vote on him right now, and I have no idea why.

Scums are often too afraid to say stuff like, "I feel xxx is yyy, but I can't explain it." I've seen these kind of statements come almost exclusively from townies.

That being said, I smell competence all over Reiuji's posts. They are shitposting, but still generating massively high quality posts. Given this, it is not 'impossible' for this slot to be scum, but I just won't entertain that world any time soon

[DoubtingThomas]

Please understand I am asking you to stop since you are doing nothing but decreasing moral by wanting to be that one guy who deathtunnels a slot the whole game and does nothing else.

You are part of a way bigger problem

This is possibly the most ironic thing said by anyone I've EVER heard. lol

[DoubtingThomas]

Literally gives one reason to scum read me and constantly calls me prick over and over, then shades EE for "deathtunneling" a slot.

That's not how the game works.

[DoubtingThomas]

Alisae's a better vote than Xtox.

so you scum read alisae?

[DoubtingThomas]

Can you explain your scum read on him?

This type of question is why I ignore questions.

You are shading my whole activity in the game over an unexplained reason to 'hate' someone for asking a valid question?

[DoubtingThomas]

Please never sign up in a same game with me, Shoshin. You are fucking obnoxious and on too high of a horse.

[DoubtingThomas]

I try to be a bigger man and despite you constantly ignoring my direct calling out of you to answer my fucking damn questions which shouldn't be hard for person who signed up and committed to play a game of mafia, you are again ridiculing and ignoring my questions ONCE again, despite me asnwering your GOD DAMN STUPID FUCKING QUESTION after ignoring mine

There's no hope for you

[DoubtingThomas]

Why the fuck do you ignore people's questions, then ask them questions, and when you yourself are ignored, AtE by saying I know you are annoyed at me for ignoring your questions, but it's answered indirectly. please answer my question. then i answer your god fucking damn stupid piece of shit question and ask a follow up question to ease the tension and try to actually interact with your slot for the common good, i am getting some MOTHERFUCKING BULL SHIT RESPONSE IGNORING OF MY QUESTION ONCE AGAIN

What the fuck are you doing?

[DoubtingThomas]

Your question in 896 was a response to my questions in 881. In 879 (two posts before 881) I explain why I scumread Buj. Why did you skip over 879, DT?

Because I skimmed the thread and your post in 880 and 881 both had my names, and I probably got caught up on it and resorted to actually answering your fucking questions because you AtE'd about how I didn't answer your questions despite you never answering my questions.

My apologies fo rmissing that, but maybe if you didn't have a history of ignoring my questions and being uncooperative, I wouldn't have exploded

[DoubtingThomas]

Buj says he scumreads me because I'm "assigning reads based on who agrees/disagrees with me about the self-vote" (see 403 & 752). To make this argument, Buj distorts or ignores the vast majority of my reads.

For starters, Buj thinks I scumread EE when I didn't. He thinks I townread Vedith because he agreed with me about the self-vote even though I've already explained that I townread Vedith based on his "progression" from attacking me to defending me.

He's ignoring the fact that I scumread Alisae even though Alisae agreed with me about the self-vote.

He's ignoring the fact that I townread Grapes even though Grapes disagreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread FA even though she disagreed with me about the self-vote. And he's ignoring the fact that I didn't initially scumread him even though he disagreed with me about the self-vote.

I hold Buj to a much higher standard than this as town, which is why I'm scumreading him now. Buj usually has very good reads as town. He reads carefully. He doesn't get basic facts wrong. If Buj keeps scumreading me after this, we need to lynch him.

Overall this is a good enough post that it makes me want to iso BuJ while thinking that there's a high chance that my null read on him will change to a scum read.

Elaborate on your Alisae scum read. Why don't you vote Alisae with me even though she's being pretty anti-town, giving no real contribution except calling me a prick, and you scum read them on top of all this?

Makes me think if your scum read on her is illegitimate

[DoubtingThomas]

wow i red this page and i already dunnstral feel like reading anymore

townie

[DoubtingThomas]

There's one short post between 879 through 881:

Spoiler:

Buj says he scumreads me because I'm "assigning reads based on who agrees/disagrees with me about the self-vote" (see 403 & 752). To make this argument, Buj distorts or ignores the vast majority of my reads.

For starters, Buj thinks I scumread EE when I didn't. He thinks I townread Vedith because he agreed with me about the self-vote even though I've already explained that I townread Vedith based on his "progression" from attacking me to defending me. He's ignoring the fact that I scumread Alisae even though Alisae agreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread Grapes even though Grapes disagreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread FA even though she disagreed with me about the self-vote. And he's ignoring the fact that I didn't initially scumread him even though he disagreed with me about the self-vote.

I hold Buj to a much higher standard than this as town, which is why I'm scumreading him now. Buj usually has very good reads as town. He reads carefully. He doesn't get basic facts wrong. If Buj keeps scumreading me after this, we need to lynch him.

Pvt had a neutral stance which often comes from town cuz town doesnt want to make a ruckus

Eagle, why aren't you suspicious of DT for this reasoning?

DT, I know you're annoyed that I don't respond to your questions directly. I want you to know that your questions were in fact answered. You asked me multiple times where my "head" was at. I responded by posting in the thread, showing you where it was directed (at the time, not you). I didn't respond to your other questions directly but answers were provided in the thread. I tell you this so that you don't ignore my questions:

What's your read on Buj?

What do you think of Eagle's townread on Buj?

Yet you skipped entirely over 879 because it didn't mention your name? Why are you looking for posts that mention your name instead of trying to find the scum, DT?

you cannot possibly accuse me of 'not finding scums' i have so many mother fucking scum reads bro

[DoubtingThomas]

Buj says he scumreads me because I'm "assigning reads based on who agrees/disagrees with me about the self-vote" (see 403 & 752). To make this argument, Buj distorts or ignores the vast majority of my reads.

For starters, Buj thinks I scumread EE when I didn't. He thinks I townread Vedith because he agreed with me about the self-vote even though I've already explained that I townread Vedith based on his "progression" from attacking me to defending me.

He's ignoring the fact that I scumread Alisae even though Alisae agreed with me about the self-vote.

He's ignoring the fact that I townread Grapes even though Grapes disagreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread FA even though she disagreed with me about the self-vote. And he's ignoring the fact that I didn't initially scumread him even though he disagreed with me about the self-vote.

I hold Buj to a much higher standard than this as town, which is why I'm scumreading him now. Buj usually has very good reads as town. He reads carefully. He doesn't get basic facts wrong. If Buj keeps scumreading me after this, we need to lynch him.

Overall this is a good enough post that it makes me want to iso BuJ while thinking that there's a high chance that my null read on him will change to a scum read.

Elaborate on your Alisae scum read. Why don't you vote Alisae with me even though she's being pretty anti-town, giving no real contribution except calling me a prick, and you scum read them on top of all this?

Makes me think if your scum read on her is illegitimate

[DoubtingThomas]

stop asking me questions and answer mine

[DoubtingThomas]

we wil no if alisae is scum if one of arson get ignite n2

why is that indicative of alisea scum?

[DoubtingThomas]

can u answer my question peasant

[DoubtingThomas]

productive, shoshin. productive

[DoubtingThomas]

just promise me you will never play with me. this play is really just "unfun" and atrocious as either alignment.

refusing to answer people's questions and asking the same person questions and pretending them answering or not answering your useless questions is AI

[DoubtingThomas]

nah im gonna go stroke my sisters face

now this is a fun playstyle

[DoubtingThomas]

i actually hate you, shoshin. you are a bad player.

[DoubtingThomas]

ignorant player.

"My meta is not answeing questions, so I am town for not answering"

"DT, I know you are annoyed at me, but answer my question!"

*Gets question answered and asked question*

*Ignorse question again after getting what they want*

*Pretends to scum read the person you constantly treated inhumanely and horribly all game for not answeirng your dumb question*

[DoubtingThomas]

horrifying play if town, terribly toxic play if scum. your choice.

[DoubtingThomas]

self votes and plays anti town, then blames others for hating on them for self voting.

what the fuck is this?

Do you blame victims of rape too?

[DoubtingThomas]

Comparing self-voting to rape isn't funny.

So is playing with you.

Now you are prob going to go all victim-minded and attack me for talking about rape, but the reality is you commit an anti-town action that brought absolutely no EV and good for town when you've done the action, and when you were getting heat for it, you started attacking them for giving you shit rightfully.

The nature of blaming victims (we are victims by your anti-town self voting) is not different at all. I hope you realize this.

I also hope to never have to talk to you ever again after this post, so good luck

[DoubtingThomas]

Just like how you ignore my questions all day every day, and when I do it, use that to scum read me.

Can't even blame me for reacting this way. I have no regrests. Ban me all you want, I know I am in the right

[DoubtingThomas]

why are we acting like that post was even remotely okay to make EE

He also didn't say the post was okay. He just said it was true. Sometimes, the truth hurts.

For the record, I am not ridiculing victims of rape. My dear friend, too, was a victim of rape. I do not think rape is okay. I am only trying to point out that the logic people who blame the victims use is similar to the logic shoshin has been using in this game. I know sometimes I am too straightforward and people get offended by what I say, and if this is something that's not tolerate on this website, I will receive the rightful consequences to make this community more healthy, but I standy by the stance that my analogy was accurate

[DoubtingThomas]

Look, if you feel like this is a problem, hit the report button and the listmods will deal with it.

Please don’t derail the game because of this.

That is literally all there is to it.

I agree, and this is probably going to be the first and last time I agree with you

[DoubtingThomas]

????

so accusing people of being rape deniers b/c you don't like how they scumhunt is playing groupthink now?

I am not accusing people of anything. I am making an analogy of a certain logic used by an unidentified group of people is similar to certain someone's logic that is being used in this game over and over to attack others.

The analogy is not wrong, it may be "over-the-top" because everyone has different perspective of what is too much, but not wrong

[DoubtingThomas]

i was raped as a kid. i don't want to see people who have done nothing wrong besides, at worst, playing suboptimally (in your view) being accused of supporting rape. i don't want to read about rape in mafia games.

if DT gets removed from the game I'll consider voting elsewhere but I don't townread their play either as much as I wanted to deal with them on a later day

I am not accusing anyone of supporting rape, merely pointing out similarities between how they process their thoughts, independent of the topic.

If it makes you uncomfortable, I am sorry, but I still stand by that my analogy was accurate while had no malicious attempt to accuse Shoshin of being a rape supporter. However, I understand and respect your position

@ mod, I will replace out

[DoubtingThomas]

It was fun playing with you, EE, and many others.

Shoshin, let's try to respect each other and avoid getting into games together.