Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Prince of Renais]

alrite bois n gurls

[Prince of Renais]

wow i red this page and i already dunnstral feel like reading anymore

[Prince of Renais]

On the side of a hill in a forest of green
Tracing a sparrow on snow crested ground
Blankets and bedclothes the child of the mountain
Sleeps unaware of the clarion call

[Prince of Renais]

we wil no if alisae is scum if one of arson get ignite n2

[Prince of Renais]

no its alisae not alisea officer

[Prince of Renais]

nah im gonna go stroke my sisters face

[Prince of Renais]

c i wanted to lynch clemency because they are mafia

but

VOTE: DT

[Prince of Renais]

i'm seriously concerned with the amount of lurk y'all are letting me get away with

scum clemency in a previous game, does nawt make these posts as town
also a little half dragon girl may or may not have told me that he hard lurks as scum

[Prince of Renais]

you guys are letting me get away with lurking way too easily

[Prince of Renais]

why are we acting like that post was even remotely okay to make EE

[Prince of Renais]

????

so accusing people of being rape deniers b/c you don't like how they scumhunt is playing groupthink now?

[Prince of Renais]

i was raped as a kid. i don't want to see people who have done nothing wrong besides, at worst, playing suboptimally (in your view) being accused of supporting rape. i don't want to read about rape in mafia games.

if DT gets removed from the game I'll consider voting elsewhere but I don't townread their play either as much as I wanted to deal with them on a later day

[Prince of Renais]

the car is town

[Prince of Renais]

i think that we win or at least get 2/3 of scum by lynching the playerlist from least posts to most

[Prince of Renais]

subtracting the lowposters who are obvtown, such as myself.

[Prince of Renais]

Xtoxm Mar 08, 01:07pm Mar 11, 11:21am 0 days 1 hour 20
Gamma Emerald Mar 08, 10:07am Mar 10, 09:59pm 0 days 14 hours 18
grapes Mar 08, 02:45pm Mar 09, 03:04pm 1 day 21 hours 16
Clemency Mar 08, 05:11am Mar 10, 08:00am 1 day 4 hours 10
Lycanfire Mar 07, 10:58pm Mar 08, 02:45pm 2 days 22 hours 10

i would guess this list contains exactly 2/3 of the scum

[Prince of Renais]

you'll notice i cut myself out so i didn't have to say 3 thirds

[Prince of Renais]

hey DT if you're still reading i forgive u ur trespasses as long as you stop pushing on shoshin for today

[Prince of Renais]

playing determination on loop makes me feel like a badass town god

[Prince of Renais]

it's not policy lynching when i have no real scumreads in the active players

[Prince of Renais]

Can people please read and understand posts before they comment on them?

There's no shame in asking for clarification.

Also I'm sorry but if prince did what he did as scum it would be horribly immoral so he's conftown now.

don't agree with this reason to townread me. if I were scum I would have been equally as hurt by the rape comment.
I don't appreciate the implication that there was anything AI in my actions even if it leads you to a correct townread on me.

[Prince of Renais]

i wanna get so buzzed and put on fly with the breeze

[Prince of Renais]

the logic seems reeaaal dum

but he's townreading me so

[Prince of Renais]

[Prince of Renais]

[Prince of Renais]

just me and my

girlfriend

[Prince of Renais]

but if we lynch clemency today how will i know ur alignment

:thonk:

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: Prince of Renais

i heard all the cool kids are doing this

[Prince of Renais]

my gut says that scum haven't been wagoned today

[Prince of Renais]

and by gut i mean i checked and none of my buddies have
unless my self vote counts as a wagon

[Prince of Renais]

clemency, gamma, and jingle.

[Prince of Renais]

no, jingle.

[Prince of Renais]

i'm sad that you feel that way.

[Prince of Renais]

[Prince of Renais]

i'm trying a different playstyle here.

if you're town and go after me you'll die and you won't get me lynched.
if you're scum and go after me you'll die and you won't get me lynched.

regardless of your alignment, please don't make me do this.

[Prince of Renais]

that's not my problem.

[Prince of Renais]

going to decline to answer.

[Prince of Renais]

actually here's my answer.

VOTE: Shoshin

[Prince of Renais]

Jingle, what's your Shoshin read?

[Prince of Renais]

I think Shoshin is the kind of player who is far easier to read if you ignore her and am frustrated that she's the center of attention.

So you're

1) not committing to a read
and
2) suggesting that everyone doesn't go after her

seem about right?

also, you weren't responding to anything that happened in the last 10 pages but this is what you immediately pop in for?

[Prince of Renais]

oh and you're leaving your options open on me while going after an easier lynch, of course

[Prince of Renais]

FA is a pretty cool chick most of the time but she has a few triggers that piss her off a lot.

[Prince of Renais]

Oh you meant Shoshin

[Prince of Renais]

I'm weighing my options right now

we're not lynching gamma or clem

[Prince of Renais]

shoshin/jingle is 100% SvS

[Prince of Renais]

really grating that I have to tryhard on a meme alt because town are playing like shit, but.

[Prince of Renais]

first off, FA isn't some unpredictable rage monster. In a world where FA is town there's no reason for her to be pissed off as she was.
She gets ultra pissed off as scum when she feels like her teammates are making shitty associatives with her. Shoshin was attacking all the townreads on her in a really SvS way.
Go read Antihero's game from a few years back where she replaced out in similar fashion and was super pissed off at Gamma Emerald.

Both Jingle and Shoshin have also been calling each other town, completely unexplained from Shoshin's perspective, Jingle we just saw
Also Shoshin is good enough to not be this dead wrong on Jingle when he hasn't even played well as scum
I can buy people who generally are not super good players like EE making this mistake, but not Shoshin. she's scum

Alright, who are you thinking about other than Jingle/Shosh? I agree the interaction there is awkward, but my read on shoshin is a lot of "wow you're a bad person doing a lot of anti-town things"

And for some reason I keep thinking that she's got it stuck in her head that doing anti-town things is townie, and for that reason I excuse it. Can you counter?

Shoshin is a really good player as town. she's just not town here.

[Prince of Renais]

we're not lynching gamma or clem

Why?

because we're killing you then your buddy then we'll see what town does after you guys kill me n2.
I've already been outed in scumchat, correct?

[Prince of Renais]

Also this is using information against Jingle that he has no way of knowing that I would know but just describing Shoshin as 'fairly newbish' is a hard scumclaim. he knows that she's highly respected.

[Prince of Renais]

Jingle is 100% sure that she is the main and that she is a strong town player. He's just saying that to deflect her being BoP scumread.

[Prince of Renais]

oh no i'm being voted
i gotta play now?
ugh

it's ok just vote shoshin or jingle and you can keep lurking

[Prince of Renais]

this game is worth outing for even if this is my first game.

Is she skitter?

That's the only person that kind of makes sense here.

Shoshin is Shoshin.

[Prince of Renais]

merci beaucoup monsieur

[Prince of Renais]

it won't matter at this point.

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: Jingle

this is the safer lynch than Shoshin and I'm guaranteed to be alive tomorrow to deal with her then.

[Prince of Renais]

I'm 100% that the FA slot was scum
only like 85% that Shoshin is the buddy

[Prince of Renais]

idr wanna tryhard

i just wanted to shitpost in a strong town lobby

[Prince of Renais]

You've got a lot of surface reads there PR.

"surface reads"

[Prince of Renais]

no.

[Prince of Renais]

unless I've forgotten, but the statement as a whole is a 99% no

[Prince of Renais]

i really don't want to play that game, if we're going to do this off of that I'll just rep in on my main.

[Prince of Renais]

my accuracy should be a fairly hard tell as to my alignment, yeah.

[Prince of Renais]

beep boop i has compooter

it say jangle sho scum

[Prince of Renais]

e rib uh riff

dat me

[Prince of Renais]

ok i'll be honest i'm an alt of girlinfreezer

[Prince of Renais]

my accuracy should be a fairly hard tell as to my alignment, yeah.

Hm.

Why should I have a read on Shoshin at this point?

well if you read your role pm you should know

[Prince of Renais]

Aww you think I'm cute??

^_^

[Prince of Renais]

i actually don't have the follow up in terms of caring enough about the read or in surety about the read to keep pushing this

[Prince of Renais]

prince is araby is eddie cane btw

fuck off with that.

[Prince of Renais]

u accidentally posted a ' alisae

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: Shoshin

changed my mind. think that if I'm wrong on one of them it's more likely to be Jingle.
They're both still SvS nearly all of the time, but I want to lynch here first.

[Prince of Renais]

How did I harm you by self-voting, DT?

Who are your partners, Prince?

Jingle, huh? Tell me more.

I'm sad you're scum, PR.

It won't be fun lynching you.

I feel very threatened by scum you.

How sure are you that DT's town?

none of this is ever real. she's trying to push me while simultaneously trying to make it look townie by doing what she thinks will read as townie to me
this isn't how she would deal with a scumread on me. she'd push it. this is how she prods my reaction and goes for it if she thinks she'll get away with it.

obviously she didn't.

[Prince of Renais]

no one says "I feel very threatened by scum you." rather than acting in a way that expresses the emotion she talks about feeling it. scum.

[Prince of Renais]

gl with your hopes and dreams of hard fooling me, by the way.

[Prince of Renais]

No go back to voting Jingle

we both know that jingle's scum and we will have no issue's lynching it tomorrow.

but I'm going for the big fish today.

[Prince of Renais]

i feel jealous of ur gf

[Prince of Renais]

is it possible that i can hard carry this game without ever making any posts above one line

[Prince of Renais]

In a clearing stands a boxer and a fighter by his trade
And he carries the reminder

[Prince of Renais]

ok maybe we are lynching Jingle d1 like alisae wanted

[Prince of Renais]

ok but

he dissed S&G

[Prince of Renais]

xtoxm is town

unsure about buj/vedith/dt but not leaning any of them as scum

[Prince of Renais]

i never actually read the spoiler= stuff in shoshin's iso and it is making me feel a lot worse about this vote

[Prince of Renais]

let's kill grapes.

VOTE: grapes

[Prince of Renais]

that would explain why your push on me felt super super fake

come vote grapes with me

[Prince of Renais]

hi not that bad as scum i'm the prince of renais

[Prince of Renais]

clarify?

[Prince of Renais]

who would that be?

[Prince of Renais]

not grapes

[Prince of Renais]

and i'm not enthusiastic about playing my entire hand D1 when I can't die N1.

[Prince of Renais]

I think that Jingle/FA still has fairly high scum equity but I'm not going against Reiuji right now

[Prince of Renais]

If Reiuji was on her main she would have fairly good odds of getting nightkilled before me

What's your read on Alisae?

probably but not 100% town

[Prince of Renais]

what are your thoughts on grapes's iso because I think they're pretty transparently scum?

But is she town?

would say so yes and I caught her as scum pretty quickly the one time that I played against scum her. she's sort of like NSG but her scum game isn't like terrible and she's like sliightly worse as town?

[Prince of Renais]

err yeah I wasn't supposed to out alt info. pls disregard. sorry

[Prince of Renais]

there are a lot of townies not townreading you. if you're town you shouldn't hold that against them. what are your thoughts on grapes?

[Prince of Renais]

nyah I'm not good at staying in character

[Prince of Renais]

i think that lycan will eventually spew themselves pretty obviously one way or the other.

i also think that someone 'actually giving you a fair shot instead of pushing your mislynch' in the sense that you're talking about is a pretty heavy scum rather than towntell.

[Prince of Renais]

grapes is flipping scum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Prince of Renais]

i actually seriously considered replacing out the moment she called me scum so make that 4!

[Prince of Renais]

dunno. clemency would be my second vote.

i'm trusting the lobby to lynch jingle instead of doing something batshit stupid like lynching EE if there is a (relatively) deepwolf

[Prince of Renais]

Shoshin has been fine. please lay off her.

[Prince of Renais]

I would not trust the lobby to do what you want if you die
if you want something done do it yourself.

pedit: create an environment thats frustrating to play in.

welp

I always have tomorrow :3

[Prince of Renais]

Shoshin if you're like

really really certain someone's scum

I'll follow you

[Prince of Renais]

let's lynch grapes?

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: clemency

think this is better actually

[Prince of Renais]

maybe not?

[Prince of Renais]

NO
never happened

VOTE: grapes

OMG NSG NO

[Prince of Renais]

Votecount 1.16

Shoshin(3)

~ Lycanfire(18), NerfedBuJ(34), Clemency(12)

NerfedBuJ(3)

~ Vedith(85), DrDolittle(38), grapes(19)

Prince of Renais(2)

~ Jingle(159), Xtoxm(21)

grapes(2)

~ Reiuji Utsuho(67), Extrapolated Eagle(222)

Clemency(2)

~ Prince of Renais(119), Alisae(140)

Lycanfire(1)

~ mcqueen(16)

DoubtingThomas(1)

~ Shoshin(148)

Alisae(1)

~ DoubtingThomas(147)


Not Voting (2): Gamma Emerald(18), Karmeleon(26)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 22:19:59)

this votecount is fake news

[Prince of Renais]

i am reporting the game mod

[Prince of Renais]

'you had better sheep me this game, don't you remember that one time you unvoted the GRAPES wagon of all people? come on.'

[Prince of Renais]

ftr

clemency probably also is scum

but not lynching grapes is a crime against mafia

am I, Jingle?

[Prince of Renais]

not a joke.

I don't think the way that you think that I do, Shoshin.

[Prince of Renais]

do you want me to replace out of your games?

[Prince of Renais]

No, I just don't believe you would just because I called you scum? Unless you were 100% that I was town. But otherwise you'd just push my lynch, no?

it wasn't just the you calling me scum, it was the surrounding context. i didn't really want to push a lynch on you because I felt like you were getting a shit ton of flak for unfair reasons. even when i thought you were scum I didn't like it because it felt like I was abusing the game lobby disliking you (not scumreading you) to push a lynch on you which didn't really feel fair. plus I wasn't able to deal with potentially mislynching you.

entire situation felt super unfair to me

[Prince of Renais]

You Dann. sup again scum?

[Prince of Renais]

So there’s scum in {PR, Alisae, and Rei} ? Scum team found already ?

this is a pretty awful post

[Prince of Renais]

have we ever been scum together alibae

[Prince of Renais]

we're lynching scum grapes and he spewed you his buddy

[Prince of Renais]

i really hope you're town shoshin

[Prince of Renais]

i'm not sure why it upsets me so much that grape is still alive but it does.

[Prince of Renais]

Shoshin who besides grapes is scum

[Prince of Renais]

Thoughts on EE and DDL

[Prince of Renais]

Don't bring anyone past L-3 before I'm back

[Prince of Renais]

I'm using the full day phase sorry

[Prince of Renais]

The game isn't over because we hit scum D1 and if you pretend it is we will lose this 100% of the time. You can't autopilot this game once I'm dead tomorrow

Can I get a readslist from everyone please

[Prince of Renais]

I feel like we're still going to lose this game and it's not going to be because scum played well

[Prince of Renais]

Alisae is not scum please stop voting them

[Prince of Renais]

uncertain

[Prince of Renais]

locktown:
Prince of Renais
NerfedBuJ
Alisae
Reiuji Utsuho
mcqueen

strongtown:
Karmeleon
Xtoxm

leantown:
DrDolittle
Gamma Emerald

shoshin:
Shoshin

leftovers:
Clemency
Jingle
Lycanfire
Dannflor
Extrapolated Eagle
Vedith

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: EE

this being scum is our lose condition.

[Prince of Renais]

lynch her if she doesn't catch scum by the day before functional lylo
treat her like town until then.

[Prince of Renais]

since EE is an unpopular scumread at best I'll go into that first

from grapes pov he mentions EE several times without really engaging him then softball questions why he voted vedith with no follow up
then of all people randomly votes him without giving a reason and it feels to me like a really poor attempt to distance

from EE's point of view

grapes do you remember Elyse?

and also thanks so much for reminding me about you could be anyone...

I figured if I still had dreams about that game then you should too!

Still regret getting myself lynched day 4. I think we could have won if I'd just conceded for a bit just enough so people would lynch Elyse with me.

this interaction feels like scum interacting for the sake of interacting. why do they both remember this random game and end up talking about it here if it's not scum theatre
besides following up on the aforementioned question there's no back and forth or mention until EE hops on the grapes wagon and encourages the hammer.
i feel like everyone is just writing them off as town because they're

invested

and were on the wagon but going back there's a ton of things that i tonally hate in their play

i feel like if there's a deepwolf in this game it's EE and I'd put them second or third highest scum equity of all the players in the game + i feel like they're not going to get lynched if i don't lynch them now

oh and since I saw it again I feel like the 'why do you think you can read me' question to xtoxm is very likely not SvS and is one of the major reasons i want to rule them out
+ there's worse slots in the game.

[Prince of Renais]

don't think 3/5 of his scumreads overlapping with mine merits the 'we dont agree on almost any scumreads' thing either

[Prince of Renais]

i think that hypothetically if we could lynch everyone below xtoxm we win the game 85-90% of the time
we have to leave two people out. i think that optimally we leave ddl and gamma out of the lynchpool but i won't fault you guys if you think they earn the lynch more than other people in the lynchpool
don't lynch karmeleon or xtoxm unless they really, really underplay from here and don't lynch my townblock ever.

[Prince of Renais]

3/5 of YOUR scumreads are in my lynch before endgame for sure category and another is in flex so the only scumread we actually disagree on is alisae
shoshin is in a separate category because if she's town she will kill scum before she needs to be lynched.

[Prince of Renais]

shoshin if we gave you complete control over the next two lynches who would they be?

[Prince of Renais]

Swap jingle with DDL

[Prince of Renais]

If Shoshin is scum always lynch jingle and v/v though

[Prince of Renais]

If Vedith is scum EE isn't scum

Considering changing lynch order

[Prince of Renais]

If you think you have a 3 person Poe pool you're terrible at this game

[Prince of Renais]

Out of my three guys one of them isnt even playing the game

watching this is painful

[Prince of Renais]

DrDolittle
Shoshin
Clemency
Lycanfire
Dannflor
Extrapolated Eagle
Vedith

Okay let's do this differently

[Prince of Renais]

Who here thinks that anyone on this list should not be lynched before LyLo

Who here thinks that anyone not on this list.should be lynched before LyLo

Cases please

[Prince of Renais]

Gamma is better than other slots.
I am not at all surprised if they flip scum

If our reads are diverging more that's not a problem with my reads

[Prince of Renais]

VOTE: ee

[Prince of Renais]

I don't believe that you believe in good faith that your reads are better than mine. I do buy you attacking my reads progressively to discredit me and my scumreads both on yourself and whoever your partner is.

[Prince of Renais]

EE still needs to die later but

I want highest odds of flipping scum while I'm alive and that's not him

VOTE: Shoshin

[Prince of Renais]

I will give you exactly 13 town credits

[Prince of Renais]

I can throw in a 50% off town forge limited time offer

[Prince of Renais]

I'm casing Shoshin today btw

[Prince of Renais]

As much as you don't want to hear it, I'd definitely lynch you if you were still around on the day before LYLO

Why even say this?

[Prince of Renais]

I'll show y'all how it's done

[Prince of Renais]

PR needs to be lynched if still alive at LYLO, especially if he continues to push mislynches.

sorry that you rolled scum.

[Prince of Renais]

i was going to hold off on 100% casing because there's still a variable in play that i want to be clear on
but that's a post that town shoshin never makes and a post that scum shoshin always does.

let's kill grapes.

VOTE: grapes

Can you follow my lynch for today, PR?

the moment that I called grapes scum, Shoshin tries to appeal to my respect for her to get me to sheep her. no specific intended target except that it's

not

grapes.

It's fine if townies don't townread me but I feel like I'm pretty obvtown here to stronger scumhunters.

I'd prefer a lynch on Lycan/Clem over Grapes. I know this is bad of me to say but when Grapes was interacting with me I felt like he was actually giving me a fair shot instead of just pushing my mislynch.

Are you town on Lycan?

The degree to which Grapes followed up on my DT push felt townish, like I feel like scum would have just let it go eventually but he kept pushing for more of an explanation.

continues to vaguely call grapes town but isn't willing to fully commit to it. and Shoshin has an immense amount of weight behind her townreads. see any of her games. but she's not willing to hard push this one.

I will say this is a first for me, causing two players in a game to replace out. I'm not sure how to feel about this.

Lycan/Clem/Buj is my solve at the moment. I'm not "really really certain" though. I'll let you know when I am.

i actually seriously considered replacing out the moment she called me scum so make that 4!

I keep coming back to this.

Why would you replace out just because I called you scum?

If you're town, wouldn't you just push my lynch?

This feels fake, PR.

I can't detail this but Shoshin 100% knows that this is a fact. yet she tries to call me scum for it while I'm pushing grapes.

So if I ever want you to replace out of my games, I just call you scum?

I get that you're sensitive but that feels a bit much even for you.

Okay, I looked through some of Grapes games. I understand the wagon now.

VOTE: Grapes

you can scumread grapes on meta but grapes was obvscum based on the contents of this game and this game alone. town shoshin wouldn't have needed that.
also worth noting that once the momentum gets the point where it's pretty obviously happening she goes from trying to appeal to me to vote lyc or clem to oh yeah sure grapes seems scum.

footnote: shoshin has far too large of an ego to follow me. she respects my play but in any individual situation she would always put her reads first. this her trying to be a good townie, this isn't who she actually is.

[Prince of Renais]

oh and she can fuck right off with that lynch me at lylo thing. she's made a point many times of saying that she would never try to use that kind of rationale regarding me. she claims that she can read me
in fact she has proven that she can read me over a succession of games. the one game where I was scum she told irrelephant to lynch me. she hasn't read me as scum when i was town.
and yet in this game where i've spewed myself town to death she's hiding behind a paranoia read instead of solving me.

claiming to be good as town comes with perks as well as penalties and her saying that i'm scum here is in and of itself enough reason to lynch her. end story.

[Prince of Renais]

go ahead.

[Prince of Renais]

:

[Prince of Renais]

also my original deathtunnel on her happened for a reason.

i really, really need to stop taking back those kinds of reads.

[Prince of Renais]

i immediately felt something off with her play when i replaced in and voted her. i overthought it and unvoted. i gotta trust those feelings.

[Prince of Renais]

she only actively tries to work with me when she's scum

[Prince of Renais]

i mean this is i guess what i was like when i started out. when you can't cut it as a scum player in general, abuse your relationships and make people feel too horrible about potentially mislynching you to ever vote you.
it's a great substitute for actually being able to project town as scum or to make the correct decisions.

you'll notice that she didn't even bother to address me after I called her scum, funny that.

I dunno if this will help you feel better but I really wouldn't risk a self-vote if I were scum because I've never done it before, and especially coming into this player list where I don't know anyone, there's no way I play scum the way I'm currently playing. I know it's self-meta or whatever but this is truth.

oh I saw this too. when she's not scum or when she's talking out of game she talks up her scumgame like crazy. she talks like she thinks she's the absolute shit at scum. yet she's here claiming she doesn't have the confidence to do a simple selfvote?

[Prince of Renais]

that's an incredibly stupid thing to say.

[Prince of Renais]

or maybe you're just still scum with her?

[Prince of Renais]

nothing further to say in response to that at this time.

[Prince of Renais]

why are we even having this conversation

[Prince of Renais]

ellibereth had an extremely mediocre winrate as both alignments before he created software to assist his play.

[Prince of Renais]

if NSG was a guy with her obscene winrate and general competency and not relying what is essentially cheating to play the game then people would talk about her a lot more, yet everyone's still circlejerking over ellibereth instead.

[Prince of Renais]

EE if you're going to vote shoshin put your vote down and vote her.

if you're refusing to actually contribute to the wagon unless it becomes inevitable then you're next if/when it flips scum.

[Prince of Renais]

even the fact that you describe NSG as 'fun to play against' as opposed to 'skillful' or 'competent' or 'town leader' or anything that says that she's hot fucking shit at mafia proves the point that I am making.

[Prince of Renais]

Are we talking about how great nsg is?

we're not but we should be

[Prince of Renais]

l-4.

[Prince of Renais]

shoshin is still at l-4

[Prince of Renais]

UNVOTE:

L-5 now.
Whachugondo

pls don't do this thing

[Prince of Renais]

i don't either expect or want jingle to survive shoshin's flip regardless of his alignment so I'm not putting energy into reading him further

[Prince of Renais]

the FA-shoshin stuff is never a slot you bring to late game here.

[Prince of Renais]

I'm not happy with all the efforts made to make more players aware of my main. Please don't do that.

[Prince of Renais]

Vedith should go before Jingle tbh

[Prince of Renais]

You can't call it when I already called it you 2012 join date shmuck

[Prince of Renais]

Do you want to talk about this?

[Prince of Renais]

We played in an off-site game that I think she has forgotten

[Prince of Renais]

Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone then, but I don't think I am.

I'll figure it out when I have time to dig through my off-site games list

[Prince of Renais]

I suppose so. Regardless you're still not at all in your town meta for reasons already given.

[Prince of Renais]

an interesting line of play that you've chosen.

[Prince of Renais]

ah. ok.

[Prince of Renais]

you don't have to be able to see every eventuality to be good scum, or even very good scum, or even great scum.
there's very, very few people who are capable of playing around every eventuality. even most of this site's most renowned scum historically have lacked that ability.

[Prince of Renais]

i think you can have a solid 80%ish winrate off of solely having the ability to be townread. you're probably getting in more difficult than usual lobbies if it's working out for you that badly. although that normal you definitely deserved the powerlynch.

[Prince of Renais]

Let's talk about something else

[Prince of Renais]

not but I wouldn't lynch him over anyone I want to lynch more.

[Prince of Renais]

when I said other things I mostly meant, like, not this game tbh.

[Prince of Renais]

i wouldnt want him in lylo anyway and yknow..no time like the present

this is what you have to look forward to if you aspire to scum mastery, by the by

[Prince of Renais]

i believe that i've already given you the advice that tryharding as scum will make your overall experience in mafia worse. i can't control how you feel about that but it's so, so not worth it in my view years later.

[Prince of Renais]

and it's not just me, i don't know of a single player with a highly recognized scumgame who isn't bitter and resentful of that fact.

[Prince of Renais]

this day phase versus day 1 feels like the godfather pt 2 vs the godfather pt 1.

[Prince of Renais]

btw who all said the thing about scum having given up is stupid or scum
scum dont give up d1
id still put it >50% scum win this game given all vanilla

yet you're voting me.

[Prince of Renais]

shouldn't be.

[Prince of Renais]

shoshin or bust, shoshin or feed, shoshin or afk, etc, etc.

[Prince of Renais]

i understand.

[Prince of Renais]

if you want to play against your win condition and attempt to grudge lynch me then fine. it's been established several times that it's not against the MS rules. just be honest to yourself and others about who you are.

[Prince of Renais]

But yeah, Shoshin here is very similar to shoshin in BoP, and there are specific posts that I doubt town her makes, particularly while playing in that game.

Essentially this

I take back saying that she doesn't try to work with me as town, I think that's unfair, but as scum she treats me how I want to be treated and as town she's too busy playing her own game. I'm fully capable of going into more detail on that but I felt that she was the same alignment between these games the entirety of BOP and the 1/8 odds of being scum in this game is unfortunately one of the reasons I wrote her off as a lynch in that one.

I don't plan on making that mistake twice

[Prince of Renais]

You're not.

But I wish you were more like scum you as town rather than the other way around

[Prince of Renais]

It's not genuine

If you're town and you're really feeling like this then I am so sorry for contributing but I don't think this is actually you.