Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Tohru]

Hey.

I'd love to hop right in and start solving the game, but there has been a complication. Due to a host error, I am privy to privileged information that is, although not game-breaking, it is advantageous to my faction.

I am currently consulting northsidegal if I am permitted to remain in the game despite the knowledge of this information.

Thanks.

[Tohru]

also maybe now people will stop speculating that I'm you Tohru

I hope you enjoyed the attention that it brought you.

[Tohru]

Hey.

I'd love to hop right in and start solving the game, but there has been a complication. Due to a host error, I am privy to privileged information that is, although not game-breaking, it is advantageous to my faction.

I am currently consulting northsidegal if I am permitted to remain in the game despite the knowledge of this information.

Thanks.

northsidegal has decided that I do not need to be replaced. However, the information is advantageous and beneficial to me solving the game, and so I cannot over look it. Since northsidegal has declared this information non-alignment indicative, I believe it is okay to share it:

When I was sent my role PM, I was replaced together with Enter's slot, and I was sent a Town Role PM through BCC. I strongly believe that the Town Role PM was therefore forwarded to Enter as well as myself, and therefore Enter is confirmed town to me through this deduction.

Now, after reading the recent posts today, it seems that Enter is already a strong universal townread, so it doesn't impact the game as much.

I will proceed to read the game and solve it. Give me around 72 hours.

Thanks.

[Tohru]

I find it pretty ridiculous that the players in the recent posts think that they have a good chance of winning, when a quick look at the first post shows me many green Townies being lynched in succession.

But then again, they might not be wrong, after all, Tohru has replaced in!

[Tohru]

And if RC can't solve this game as two separate slots with a mod-inno in the next 72 hours, I'm gonna be super disappoint.

[Tohru]

What's the consensus read on the original RC? Is he a universal townread just like Tohru? Or are there doubts about his alignment?

[Tohru]

the game was solved a while ago but people insisted on hunting for bussers and deepwolves instead of lynching the scummy slots.

Who are the scummy slots and why?

[Tohru]

fixed

I don't care what anyone says, Frozen Angel is so town.

[Tohru]

DoubtingThomas could be scum.

Alisae is town.

[Tohru]

Chameleon is town, DDL is town.

DT still scum.

[Tohru]

I'm going to tell myself that I don't need to read the following slots:

grapes, Arsonist, lynched Day 1
Fuscosco, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2 - shoshin
NerfedBuJ, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 3
mcqueen, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 4
Formerfish, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 5 - RAS - Alisae

[Tohru]

Is Reiuji Utsusho a GuyinFreezer alt?

They're town.

[Tohru]

you should be reading all of those slots. they are interesting.

Yeah, what's interesting is people lynched more obvious town again.

[Tohru]

Vedith is town.

[Tohru]

DDL can only be partnerd with DT. Else, I see them as town for now (page 30).

[Tohru]

Chameleon definitely town.

[Tohru]

Prince of Renais is town.

[Tohru]

How did he get a custom title?

[Tohru]

Lycanfire is town

[Tohru]

Clemency might be scum.

[Tohru]

for the record you've given no reads that have deviated at all from where i'm standing now

Of course, I'm RC #2, remember?

[Tohru]

Alisae is locktown but he still got lynched. Cool, town. Coooooool.

[Tohru]

Page 100, summary:

Prince is town
Lycanfire is town
Kameleon is town.
Reiji is town
FA/Jingle is town
Enter is town
Vedith is town

DDL might be town

Clemency is scum
DT is scum.




Noticed that Kameleon turned out to be my slot. Well, shucks.

[Tohru]

Red flag on having entirely no read on:

Gamma Emerald
Xtoxm

[Tohru]

Liger Zero seems okay

[Tohru]

the 3 lynches are DT, xtoxm, and DDL
gamma becomes Liger becomes Psyche who is spewed 99% town based on the replace out

clemency/maxwell gets the game if they're scum as a reward for town having shitlynched repeatedly.

My picks are DT & Xtoxm.

[Tohru]

At page 101.

[Tohru]

110 actually

[Tohru]

Yeah I think DDL is town here.

[Tohru]

Page 150.

I think
VOTE: xtoxm

is the correct play.

[Tohru]

I'll take a break, be back later.

[Tohru]

By the way, I have some doubts about Jingle's alignment. He was here since the start of the game, and as a strong player, I find it strange that he would have allowed Town to proceed with mislynch after mislynch, instead of leading and consolidating lynches on actually scummy players.

If

, but only if, there is a deepwolf, Jingle is it.

I'm also nervous about him hard-pushing or instead of lynching Xtoxm with us. If Xtoxm indeed flips scum, then it is also not a good look on Jingle.

Lastly, both Frozen Angel and Jingle are both top-tier scum players.

So yeah, he isn't as locked-town to me as say, RC.

[Tohru]

Unfortunately I have to admit that most of the above paranoia is contingent on Jingle being Jingle, meaning it is mostly based off Burden of Proficiency.

[Tohru]

and I'm not?

and you don't BoP me or think that I'm a top-tier scum player?

We're RC. We can see each other's Role PM, so I have no doubts that you're Town.

Plus, you haven't been in the game since the start, so I can't attribute the large number of town failures to you. Jingle however has no such excuse.

[Tohru]

nervous about him hard-pushing or

I've wanted this lynch for literally decades.

So why hasn't he been lynched yet?

[Tohru]

I'm convinced from this page that Maxwell is town.

[Tohru]

I'll look at the remaining 150 pages when I have time.

[Tohru]

Back to the chase. Looks like we may not need 72 hours after all.

[Tohru]

Votecount 3.8

Liger_Zero(7)

~ Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁸⁷⁾, MaxwellPuckett⁽⁶⁸⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽²²⁰⁾, DrDolittle⁽¹⁰⁰⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽⁴⁸⁾, Ankamius⁽¹⁶⁹⁾, RAS⁽⁴⁷⁾

Xtoxm(5)

~ mcqueen⁽²⁶⁾, Vedith⁽⁶⁶⁾, Prince of Renais⁽¹⁴⁸⁾, Jingle⁽⁹⁵⁾, Dannflor⁽¹³⁴⁾

Prince of Renais(1)

~ Xtoxm⁽⁴⁹⁾

MaxwellPuckett(1)

~ Liger_Zero⁽¹⁵⁵⁾

Ankamius(1)

~ Karmeleon⁽⁸⁸⁾


Not Voting (0):

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-05 16:49:59)

Prodding Karmeleon.

So close yet so far. Why wasn't Xtoxm lynched here instead?

[Tohru]

I'm uncomfortable with the fact that I'm starting to townread Dann beginning on 150.

[Tohru]

Haha. I wonder who Renais is.

[Tohru]

Is it RC? Everyone awesome is RC. Everyone RC is awesome.

[Tohru]

Oh looks like it's Wisdom, who's another RC.

[Tohru]

Nope, definitely RC.

[Tohru]

also
"not convinced are scum"
is bad reasoning to be town reading someone
"not convinced are scum"
is the reason succinct lasted as long as they did in 2059
and lovebird lasted as long as they did in rapier upick

"not convinced are scum"
almost made me drive a nail through my head.

[Tohru]

Okay, Page 200 checkpoint.

RC is town.
Enter is town.
Liger0 is town.
dannflor is town.
Maxwellpucket is town.
Reiuji is town.
Ankamius is town.

Jingle is a potential deepwolf.

Xtoxm is scum.
DDL is scum.

[Tohru]

-_-

Hey, I'm not referring to you. You were great in Topaz.

I'm referring to the players who made Topaz Not-great.

[Tohru]

Vedith isn't looking so townie

[Tohru]

In more important news, Shazam was decent and Pet Sematary was a strictly worse remake with 100% less Ramones.

That is so not true, Shazam was disappointing. A very railroaded show.

[Tohru]

mcqueen is scum. His response to being wagoned is not only anti-town, it's pro-scum - let me explain.

Most pushes include three parties - the accuser, the defendant, and the impartial third. The accuser believes a member of town is mafia, and pushes their lynch. The defendant is that party and any one who believes that party is town, and thus defends their lynch. The impartial third is the group of players who aren't particularly convinced one way or another.

The accuser wants, as town, to not force the lynch through if the lynch is on town. Their goal is to push the defendant until a reasonable doubt can be presented as evidence that the defendant is town. The mark of an accuser who is scum is the player who does not fully know, explain, or care for their case and wants the lynch more than they want the alignment of the player.

The defendant wants, as town, to be recognized as town, and thus maintains the duty of presenting evidence of their towniness. This should be done by providing counter-points to the accuser's points, addressing arguments where possible, while simultaneously pushing elsewhere, providing reads, and accumulating information for associatives. The mark of a defendent who is scum is a player who does not respond to the accuser's case, who squirms placing the defendant's survival over all else while simultaneously withholding reads and reasoning (the latter is important, a list of names means barely nothing when you're being pushed) and a player who sits there and allows the wagon to grow. This is because scum can rely on two things - the fact that town want to be correct in their lynch on town and the paranoia of such a town to disassemble the wagon over time as long as it is ignored, and the ability of their scum partner to push this paranoia over the edge until another player is lynched. A scum player does not want to respond to the accuser's points and does not want to try to provide evidence as to their towniness, because that keeps the attention on them, and the more words spoken as a mafia player, the more likely you are to be found out, especially when the spot light is on you. A wagon that disassembles as the player addresses the points made against them is often a wagon on town (because the player can maintain the town-oriented mindset for the entirety of the time the spotlight is on them and it will be easier to refute points made against them due to the fact that they are town) and a wagon that disassembles as the player ignores the wagon is often a wagon on scum (because the scum does not want to respond to that wagon, the more they do, the more likely they are to slip and when they are lynched, the more associatives will be revealed).

The impartial third party wants, as town, to recognize who is town and who is scum in the exchange, and thus maintains the duty of fact checking and verifying any evidence provided both ways. Response without reason is the mark of scum responding here, jumping opportunistically, etc.

mcqueen did not really respond to his wagon with reason. He did not try to disassemble it, he sat and let it fall apart. There was no attempt to better town, only a few moments of rage (that TBH felt a bit fake to me, but I won't worry about that right now because it's not part of the overarching idea of this post) and then silence. There was no attempt to prove his towniness, no attempt to scum hunt in any other direction, no attempt to help clear things up in the obviously clouded minds of his accusers. He sat and hid, hoping the wagon would fall apart and knowing that if it did there would be no associatives coming from his slot because he did not respond to it at all.

I made this post not because I was particularly scared mcqueen is town, but on the rare chance that he is, I'd really like to see town improve. I've seen a lot of town do anti-town things in response to being wagoned - especially responding with large amounts of AtE (which doesn't build up town in any way, only makes people feel bad), and even sometimes seen people do pro-scum things in response to being wagoned (the first newbie I replaced into when coming back to site was like this). I think a generally better mindset as to how you should respond to being pushed when being wagoned will make these games a bit easier on everyone and maybe we'll get a little bit less outrage at being pushed and a little more sensible responses.

Is this a troll?

[Tohru]

Oooh, Topaz talk on 234. Juicy.

[Tohru]

VOTE: or

[Tohru]

At page 270 and I'm tired.

Xtoxm's play in this game is pretty weak compared to Topaz. Maybe he's just freaked out with RC in the game, so I'll give it a pass. I will have to re-ISO him after I'm caught up.

Dannflor is playing very town, DT was scummy but I suppose it can be forgiven.

Vedith is losing his townread.

Jingle is still my tinfoil theory.

I think with another scumflip I can narrow down the final teammate with 99% accuracy.

[Tohru]

Hey. I didn't get to fully complete my readthrough before the hammer. Looks like I'll have to finish it on the next game day.

DDL is claiming he flips town? That's a shame. Then again, it's ridiculous that user or was in fact DDL himself. Did anybody else know about this?

Soon I'll be replacing in on my main or something.

Fortunately there's a lot more room for error in this game than Topaz. However, I'll need to calculate how many more mislynches we can afford before the game is lost.

For now, if DDL is in fact town, then we have an alarming situation. Because it means that most people's consensus scumreads are wrong, and therefore we are going to have to re-evaluate the entire gamestate, or make some radical plays to save the game.

[Tohru]

Did anybody else know about this?

Like half the playerlist is an altreplace at this point.

Is there any reason why this might be the case?



P.S.: You caught me. I'm secretly a Creature alt.

[Tohru]

However, I'll need to calculate how many more mislynches we can afford before the game is lost.

0. Assuming worst case scenario (or town, none primed have been lynched) we're in LYLO tomorrow.

That's awful.

I really hate how DDL (a weak player) replaced out, but replaced into himself (the same weak player), instead of giving a different player the chance to town-up his slot.

[Tohru]

Did you guys like the previous owner of this slot? Is he conftown after 300 pages or do i need to theater a bit so you could narrow down scum

Yes, he's conftown after 300 pages.

[Tohru]

Take your time. I'm of the opinion that the game is functionally over, but :shrug:. I'm not affected by someone else putting in work.

So... functionally over for which side, Jingle?

[Tohru]

I think Jingle is our deepwolf here, by the way.

Though I need to finish the last 50 pages before putting my foot down.

Currently I'm floating by a Jingle / Vedith solve. This is subject to change.

[Tohru]

I mean... The game being over doesn't imply a specific side wins.

I don't think I'm likely to reevaluate enough to drop a locktown read I hold. I don't see anyone else as likely to do the same.

We lynch through the players who are most likely to be scum, and either we win or we lose. :shrug:

So... you don't really care if we win or lose here. That's fine, but the RCs are pretty competitive on this front, so pardon us if we take it up to 11.

[Tohru]

So tohru you are saying everytime I'm about to get lynched I should just replace out. Duly noted for next time. thanks

No, I'm just saying that you shouldn't have replaced into an account with a terrible username anyway.

But, if you're unable to commit to a game, and have terrible activity levels as demonstrated, then, yes, replacing out would be a preferable option so that another player who can spend more attention and time on the game can get a chance to play. Thanks.

[Tohru]

Well, that's kinda accurate, but not really the point.

Have you ever heard my approach to LYLOs?

No, what is your approach to LYLOs?

And, this won't be a typical LYLO, if so. Firstly, we won't know that the game is technically in LYLO. Secondly, the chance of voting scum correctly is not 50% as it would be in a typical LYLO, we're sharing the game space with 5 or 6 other town members.

How would your approach, even if perfectly useful and optimal for a normal LYLO, help us in this special LYLO?

[Tohru]

Oh, and thirdly, no quickhammers in this LYLO either.

[Tohru]

Town, don't vote anyone until I've had the time to sit down and read the entirety of the game (at page 270 last I stopped). Will take at least 48 hours.

Don't listen to RC or Jingle either. They have 0 wolf pelts this game, and we all have good reason to believe that one, or incredibly, even both of them are scum.

Thanks.

[Tohru]

I thought DDL was town during my readthrough of the early game but him replacing into a ridiculously named alt named "or" with a repulsive avatar and awful play did him no favors.



*Correction to the above: RC has 1 wolf pelt but Jingle has 0. But 6 mislynches have occurred. Still a pretty bad score.

[Tohru]

Don't listen to RC or Jingle either. They have 0 wolf pelts this game, and we all have good reason to believe that one, or incredibly, even both of them are scum.

This is factually incorrect. The best kind of incorrect.

RC slot was instumental in grapes lynch.

I agree with not listening to all of the me telling you who to lynch though.

Hello Jingle, what do you think are the odds of you having being doused during any point of the game.

@Town, what do you think are the odds of Jingle, if he is town, being doused already?

Quote this post and give me a direct answer, please.

[Tohru]

Yeah I think DDL is town here.

he's my most confident scumread in the scumpool

but i am willing to lynch the other two first

Sorry, what did you say? I can't hear you.

[Tohru]

Town, don't vote anyone until I've had the time to sit down and read the entirety of the game (at page 270 last I stopped). Will take at least 48 hours.

Don't listen to RC or Jingle either. They have 0 wolf pelts this game, and we all have good reason to believe that one, or incredibly, even both of them are scum.

Thanks.

fuck you you derailed xtoxm yesterday you don't get to talk.

If anything I actually took your read of DDL into account for voting him yesterday. Pretty sad mistake, but true.

[Tohru]

/shrug

i have been trying to kill xtoxm since d2 and town wouldn't let me.

"Town wouldn't let me" - RC

Sorry did I hear you right? The great, amazing, arguably best

current

loud Town player RC has a locked-on scumread but he can't push it?

I almost thought user Ankamius or Nancy was speaking for a moment there.

Did RC get body swapped? Beats being alignment-swapped.

[Tohru]

I don't have time, so I'm going to leave now. Wait for me to read finish and get a solve.

[Tohru]

Hi, I'm here. Going to read the last 50 pages then come to a conclusion.

[Tohru]

I feel like I should save this game, but if anyone gives me unnecessary trouble for it, I will just out.

[Tohru]

Enter is town. For sure this time.

[Tohru]

Can we clear xtoxm based on the fact that everyone else grapes has voted is town?

Interesting observation.

[Tohru]

Straw poll:

How many people here already knew that user Prince of Renais was RC before he replaced into RC?

Quote this post, and answer, please.

[Tohru]

I really want to know who OK-ed the Formerfish lynch because the whole back and forth with Enter just screams Town. Alisae was Town as well so I really don't know how that mislynch happened over RC's bloodlust for "DDL or xtoxm".

[Tohru]

not a lot of time heading into class but I agree with the above that Xtoxm is town

The above vote is not a good look for Dannflor here.

[Tohru]

Or isn't flipping scum but you guys do w/e you want.
I will just go do more important things than try to convince you all you are wrong.

We can repeat this song and dance all we want. Beating my head against the wall isn't entertaining.

This guy called it.

[Tohru]

btw if i was still fully invested in this game and playing off of my reads i'd be driving a lynch on liger js

I bet you couldn't even do that competently.

Wow, just wow.

[Tohru]

so if you think that i'm making a play that essentially sets me up to lynch or than you as scum, why aren't you doing anything about it?

I think you are a dumbass. Just want everyone to know it.
I don't think you are setting up lynches because if you are scum I don't think you need to given this gamestate.

I doubt you are scum, I think you actually believe the shit you post.

Notes to self that Liger joined in 2015 and has a custom title.

[Tohru]

I feel sorry for you if you are finding this game more interesting than a birthday party.

[Tohru]

Creature can we all be invited to this birthday party

Oh, rn there are kids playing some weird game and they're doing a good job at missing every shot.

Exactly like this town.

[Tohru]

I won't bother with Rei because RC being endgamed by his wife would be golden.

[Tohru]

Every time I lynch a self voter my power increases.

Yes, my power +1 from lynching user 'or'.

[Tohru]

VOTE: Formerfish

This wagon is scummy as fuck. This guy is scummy as fuck for this vote. Dann can get it as well with a side of scattered, topped and chunked hash browns.

[Tohru]

say I flip town. then what? I don't think my flip unites town at all and will put it in more disarray.

DDL, are you just disinterested in game? What is going through your brain?

if we are going through a lynch order solve, my lynch definitely gives the most information so

hmm

I've never seen a current slot get lynched by their pred. I would 100% approve of this slot being hung (hanged?) now.

could you explain why these two posts I quoted made you get behind an or/DDL lynch?

Ok, so when I read that the first time around I didnt know that DDL and Or were the same person. I dont think that anyone would be expected to know that. I would normally assume that a replacement is a different person. SO with that in mind I had thought that DDL had admitted he was a good lynch informationally, then or replaced in and said the exact opposite. It was like a reverse amish defense where the pred was saying the lynch was ok and the new slot holder is the one who was acting like it was a crazy idea.

Knowing that they are the same person made it worse because he was the one who said it, then mysteriously contradicted himself later on.

I didn't know DDL was Or too until after he died, so you're not too slow on the take.

Rest in Peace Formerfish.

[Tohru]

Dann is town.

Reislot is town.

Enter is town.

Liger is town.

Gun to head, RC is town.

[Tohru]

To do list if FF flips town

- Lose all laughing points
- Force to join a mislynch on Liger
- Eat myself (am a crow)
- Expect a warm welcome post-game from dead townies
- Yet another day of suffering with no ignition
- Read another 300 Enter posts

Did I miss anything?

Tragic.

[Tohru]

Quick post since I see we lynched scum (yay!)

To the last scum:
You have to make it to Day 9. Day 9. You need to survive 3 more grueling days. Scrape by and push other players outside yourself and the people you have doused and ensure the doused players aren't lynched because if those players get lynched well you are gonna have to survive even longer.

And even if you survive to Day 9. Even if you manage to have none of the people you doused get lynched. You have to mislynch in that spot to win the game.

I have two words for you:

Good luck.

[Tohru]

Xtoxm and Max are town, probably. That means I have to use my Dragon powers again to save this game.

[Tohru]

funny thing

my secret alts all get scumread for no reason more than my main

funny thing

my secret alts all get scumread for no reason more than my main

That begs the question whether it's for no reason

[Tohru]

It keeps coming back to haunt me

WHO USES THE NAME "OR?" AUGH!

[Tohru]

That was some top trolling fish, well played! You really had me going when you started spamming YouTube vids.

Lmao at those crybabies replacing over a bit of twilight trolling. Probably all town.

[Tohru]

Tohru replaced locktown creature, congrats. Solve the game and I'll sheep you. Back on Friday.

[Tohru]

First of all, summary:

Tohru
Liger (Psyche)
Enter (Akarin)
Reiuji (Saudade)
RC
Dannflorr
Max
Ankamius
Xtoxm
Vedith
Jingle

[Tohru]

I think I need to revisit Ankamius

I think Vedith/Jingle are the scum here. If I'm wrong on Vedith then it's Xtoxm. But Jingle needs to go.

VOTE: Jingle

[Tohru]

Ank is town.

Going to ISO Vedith & Jingle to reconfirm.

Then, going to relook at the mechanics of this game.

[Tohru]

Relooked at Xtoxm. Think he's town.

Though, Xtoxm, as an objective third party observer, I think you played better (townier) in Topaz :/

Oh well.

[Tohru]

Okay, so I don't think any of my reads change. Hard to change them after 300 pages. Game should be functionally solved. If not, tough luck.

Going to look at the douse mechanics and do a bit of math.

[Tohru]

Today is Day 7.

There have been 6 douse actions taken so far.

And 11 players are alive. With 2 scum.

If all 6 doused players are alive, and we mislynch on a non-doused player,

it's 10 players alive, and ignite brings us to 2:2.

If 6 doused players are alive, and we mislynch on a doused player,

It's 10 players alive, and ignite brings us to 3:2. They can't ignite for the win.

If 6 doused players are alive, and we lynch scum,

It's 10 alive, ignite brings us to 3:1. Literally worse for scum.

Therefore our benefit from lynching is actually:

Scum > Doused Townie Mislynch > Undoused Townie mislynch.


That's assuming the worst case scenario of 6 doused players alive, which may not necessarily be the case.

[Tohru]

Yeah, I strongly doubt Jingle wouldn't be doused early game if he was Town here. Jingle and RC would likely be the earliest to be doused. Especially if scum did not know Prince of Renais was RC.

That's another way of putting "We probably don't lose the game if Jingle turns out to be a mislynch."

I think Dannflor/Xtoxm/Max are the three mislynch bait/low hanging fruit right now because of their inability to project town as strongly as other top players. I would be sad if they were scum, but I believe that none of them are scum. Pretty risky bet to take, since "having 1 scum in a pool of 3" is actually pretty high odds, but I'm a Dragon.

[Tohru]

Sorry Jingle if you're town here. but I

must

clear the PoE at this stage of the game, and it's likely you're doused in my opinion, meaning that we won't lose the game. But I must remove you from the equation if we are going to have a shot at winning this.

[Tohru]

At this stage, who would

not

be doused if they were town here?

Xtoxm, Max, Vedith, Dannflor.

If any of them flip town it is a losing play.

We are

not

lynching Xtoxm. Thanks.

[Tohru]

Maybe Liger/Psyche but he'd probably be doused upon that Psyche replace-in or last night.

[Tohru]

Memo that Max is actually a pretty underrated and strong player, and if any one of my reads is wrong, it's Max. As in, Max is more likely to be scum than Xtoxm.

In any case I require Jingle to be out of the equation before I can solve the game. A red flip would not only help me greatly in narrowing down the final scum, but also help town in general by giving us an extra mislynch and more.

Please lynch Jingle with me, everyone.

[Tohru]

I think Vedith is town

If Jingle is scum I’m pretty sure his partner is Max

I'm reasonably sure Max is scum after the most recent posts.

Anyway, let's forget about the 2nd scum first. Let's move the game along, vote Jingle with me. Don't you guys want to exit this game and end it as soon as possible?

[Tohru]

* Technically, to end the game as fast as possible, at this point all you need to do is mislynch someone. The question should have been "Don't you guys want to win this game?"

[Tohru]

Max, Ankamius, Dannflor, please take a lesson from Akarin and vote Jingle with me, thanks.

[Tohru]

Can you answer like either one of my questions instead of just calling me scum and telling me to vote with you please

Oops, there was an error. Meant to say you were town.

Nice reaction, though!

[Tohru]

Don't you guys want to exit this game and end it as soon as possible?

Yes. Yes I do. Still not scum tho. :shrug:

If so, I apologize. I still have to remove you from the game before I can solve the puzzle. And the game format allows this.

You can take it as a mandatory vacation from the game. After all, you won't have to post an irrelevant one-liner every 24 hours any more.

[Tohru]

The gamestate was already extremely dire when I replaced in. I'm just trying my best to salvage a dead situation.

[Tohru]

You guys doused Xtoxm and Maxwell and Vedith?! That's incredibly ballsy. I did not expect that!


Good job, RC and Ankamius. Be prepared, for the next 3 months of games that you play, people will point to this game and think about how strong you guys are as scum, and use it to lynch you. Should've gone easier on these guys.

[Tohru]

Xtoxm did extremely well with his solve earlier. It's a pity he was out-voiced.

I did manage to save all 3 of Dannflorr, Xtoxm and Max as town, but it was too little and way too late.

I think this is a Pyrrhic victory for the scum, especially for RC. He won a 300 page game as scum? It's going to bite him. Didn't want to believe he was scum for that reason.

Good game, all.

[Tohru]

What I don't get is how Xtoxm, Max, and Vedith were all doused, but Jingle was not. RC was definitely setting them up for mislynch, especially Xtoxm, so I don't know how they predicted that. Certainly outplayed me there.

Care to explain the dousing process?

[Tohru]

Jingle was doused

Then how did we lose?

[Tohru]

Jingle was doused

Then how did we lose?

arsonists can douse and ignite in the same night

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[Tohru]

Jingle was doused

Then how did we lose?

scum can douse and ignite after n1, so you need two doused lynches

Okay, I threw the game, I'm sorry.

[Tohru]

Okay, I threw the game, I'm sorry.

I don't think we were ever lynching correctly there

not your fault

I would have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more careful if I didn't think lynching a doused player was a free action.

[Tohru]

Probably the only thing I'm happy about it sticking with my Xtoxm townread, but that's not a lot to be proud of in a game oversaturated with town.

Sigh. I got you, Xtoxm, and Dannflor being town all correct.

But of all things I was wrong on the mechanics.

If I didn't think that lynching a doused player was a free action I would have given RC and Ankamius's ISOs more than a cursory skim.

At least I was also correct on Jingle being doused.

[Tohru]

but seriously massive shout out to ankamius. one of the best scum partners that I think that I've ever had.

Yeah, that was sneaky. I saw you both hard distance throughout the entire game too, so, even if I did manage to get one of you lynched, it wasn't an automatic win. However, lynching scum correctly bags us an extra mislynch, I think (?), which would have helped a lot.

[Tohru]

@Tohru: Still curious where you came up with "Maxwell is underrated" because my game isn't all that good. Xtoxm was right when he said this wasn't my scumgame because my scumgame isn't that great.

Pedit Yeah it's fine.

You're really smart and humble. It's fine if you're just a "casual mafia player", but people would be making a great mistake by underestimating you.