Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Xtoxm]

1. How comfortable do you feel playing town/scum?

uncomfortable as both

2. What are you good at, what aren't you good at?

mechanics, bad at being townread

3. What part of playing mafia is most natural to you?

catching scum

4. What is one thing about the current meta that you think should be changed?

letting players that do nothing survive to lylo

5. How well do you know the other people in this game, and how excited are you to play?

if spectating/looking at completed games counts, i have some familiarity with everyone except rei
actually playing its about half
excited is not a term i would associate with my feelings about this game

[Xtoxm]

is rei=yume known info or are you guessing

[Xtoxm]

i have one tr so far
anyone doing better

[Xtoxm]

what you at

[Xtoxm]

@ee nice

@shos i think its a bit early to go into that

i have one tr so far

Is it me?

sorry my dude its not

[Xtoxm]

hey grapes i remember you being obvtown as town
you made 3 posts and dont look obvtown yet
step it up

[Xtoxm]

if shos doesnt want it
can i have 1 strong tr and 2 weak trs pls

[Xtoxm]

ok
i also prefer xtox to xtom

[Xtoxm]

yeah alright 2 trs

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ooh a wagon

VOTE: shosin

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ddl i assume you thought something in my rqs post was scum indicitive
id be midly interested in hearing about that whenever you turn up

[Xtoxm]

good luck trying to lynch me

challenge accepted
VOTE: dt

[Xtoxm]

what exactly do you mean by policy lynch
i think policy lynching is pretty fair in some scenarios
like if you caught someone in a role lie
or someone is making exclusively non game related posts

[Xtoxm]

there we go
took longer than usual for someone to call me scum

[Xtoxm]

he also said that was his worst performance ever as scum

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re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he

lead a mislynch

on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

From GBA mafia:

idk about grapes. he's doing all the right things. refusing to claim though.

if he's scum he's good at fake towning.

anyway sorry grapes if you were town but it all points at you.

we have a fair amount circumstantial evidence for fire + knuckles being town. strong evidence for everyone else being town. i'm pretty much a counterclaim to you and town seems kinda OP if you're real.

grapes (4): Firebringer, Knuckles, Davsto,

Xtoxm

[LYNCH!]
Davsto (1) grapes
Not Voting: Vedith, Aj The Epic

With 7 votes, 4 to lynch

I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

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I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

Gonna be honest here I was going from memory and forgot I was a utility lynch (maybe because to this day I still don't really understand why it happened :p)

but after going through your iso there you never really came around to town-reading me (matter of fact you thought I was scum most of the game) until i started viciously flailing about to get lynched as a cop mad close to EG (and even then you ultimately ended up voting me so even there I'm being too forgiving)


So... why exactly do you think you can read me?

i was going from memory too
i did think you looked very townie
lynched you in the end for role reasons
it gives me a baseline of what you are capable of as town
the 3 post thing was also entirely sarcastic if that wasnt obvious

hi jingle

[Xtoxm]

i looked at buj's iso and i dont see it
but uh
if you need help lmk

[Xtoxm]

Is ThIs EnTiRe GaMe JuSt ShItPoStInG

Actually die, that is never a villager post the world of like, actually ever.

agree

VOTE: gamma

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what
he didnt vote vedith til p39
i dont even remember him mentioning vedith before

[Xtoxm]

VOTE: prince

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Prodding Gamma Emerald, Clemency and xtoxm.

Rude.
VOTE: prince

[Xtoxm]

also varsoon power mislynched you in sc2
that was hilarious
and that nightless game

[Xtoxm]

I'm not good scum.

this is not true

[Xtoxm]

i think i was the only player the genuinely sr you in sc1? you lost that game cus you were dealt a bad role
if you were any of the other 4 scum that won, you won that game
it wasnt the best setup

[Xtoxm]

Xtox, can you talk to us about this game? Why'd you vote PR?

mainly because i dont want to play with him
i wouldnt want him in lylo anyway and yknow..no time like the present

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But I don't think my scum play it self can be called good until I start winning games.

yeah, this is the correct position on 0% so i respect that
you can always do better but arso is like a super diffucult role to win with the bar is that much higher
main thing holding you back tbh is that you keep rolling town

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But I don't think my scum play it self can be called good until I start winning games.

yeah, this is the correct position on 0% so i respect that
you can always do better but arso is like a super diffucult role to win with the bar is that much higher
main thing holding you back tbh is that you keep rolling town

What are you talking about.. Arso is easier to win as scum.. that's why the Town:Scum ratio is higher than a regular game.

this is in the context of solo 3p arso vs groupscum and town
this game has arsonists but is an unrelated coincidence

[Xtoxm]

btw who all said the thing about scum having given up is stupid or scum
scum dont give up d1
id still put it >50% scum win this game given all vanilla

[Xtoxm]

if prince is town, he is the most likely primed
if hes arso we delete an arso
depriving scum of primed targets gives us extra mislynches and is the best strategy in this game
therefore prince is the best lynch mechanically
jingle back me up

[Xtoxm]

come on vedith its not that hard, i realised instantly

[Xtoxm]

cool mislynch

[Xtoxm]

thats a real stinky meta attempt my dude
ive seen so much bad meta lately
actually throws games

[Xtoxm]

sup max
we were scum together in SU
that was a blast

[Xtoxm]

I was waiting for Booneytoonz extravaganza to finish before I truly call out xtoxm.

He’s scum here like he was in that game.

Gonna need more than that tbh

Xtoxm is a master of pretending to do shit while doing nothing. Its a playstyle that should always be pressured, regardless of alignment, especially when he actually hasn’t done much as of late.

am i pretending to do shit here, or am i transparently doing nothing?

[Xtoxm]

@Anyone who knows was Clem being pushed seriously at any point this game
Id wanna read there if he was

idts
and yeah man long time, glad to see you again

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@max
i tr mcq

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i fooled him in LNT and his suspicion of me here just kinda feels genuine
i think both scum are in
liger, rei, dann, jingle, ddl, prince

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yeah lets just call the player with the widest scumrange in the game obvtown
fucking moronic

[Xtoxm]

i do appreciate the attempt to call yourself obvtown
cute

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ok jingle
i want you to imagine that none of his posts exist
and look over pvt's content, and build a read of the slot based on that
can it be scum?
this is the world i exist in
ive been checked out the game since he replaced
i tr one of max's posts
i sr one of your posts (cookie if you can identify it)
all my other reads are pre p40

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hey, i didn't say you could quote your entire iso.
but no, all of those are incorrect
its my first time reading 2 of them
no cookie for you
no more guesses!

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fiiiiiiiine. here it is. you dismissing mechanics in favour of a superficial tr pinged me super hard.

if prince is town, he is the most likely primed
if hes arso we delete an arso
depriving scum of primed targets gives us extra mislynches and is the best strategy in this game
therefore prince is the best lynch mechanically
jingle back me up

This is an incorrect application.

Lynching two primed players buys an extra mislynch, yes. However, lynching two primed players is only helpful in the case that there is a reasonable fear that those players are mafia. Lynching 2 players who wouldn't otherwise be lynched because they're likely to be primed does get us a mislynch, but it also wastes two lynches.

The thing to consider is that from scums PoV, they should ignite if we're likely to lynch someone they've already primed. Not the other way around.



Isn't Thigh Draug Draug's wife? Coulda sworn he's married to Nephenee in Path of Radiance.

[Xtoxm]

projection much lol

if you want to play against your win condition and attempt to grudge lynch me then fine. it's been established several times that it's not against the MS rules. just be honest to yourself and others about who you are.

ive already made this abundantly clear
but you continue to replace into my games on alts to try and deceive me

i dont want to play with you
fuck off

on a human level you are a disgusting person
shame khan didnt have enough evidence

VOTE: prince

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I will say though, I'm surprised how emotional some of you guys are getting this game, and that's a big reason why I haven't read back this game much. There was a lot of back-to-back pages where it was just drama on top of drama.

If you're not enjoying the game, just replace out and stop causing drama. No one joined this game to see how much some of you guys hate this game, and how much it sucks, or how it's not living to your expectations.

Jesus Christ.

well he doesnt deserve to have me just vacate games im invested in cus he decides to replace
otherwise i would

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on a human level you are a disgusting person
shame khan didnt have enough evidence

I hope this is ban or force replace worthy

that post was like incredibly tame tbh

[Xtoxm]

back at ya

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if you stop stalking my games and bullying me after this game then great

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i fooled him in LNT and his suspicion of me here just kinda feels genuine
i think both scum are in
liger, rei, dann, jingle, ddl, prince

Idk Im townreading rei and prince and kinda dolittle too
Couldnt scum mcqueen rly easily cite meta on you to push you
Its kindve an unexpected read to me since you just said his meta was bad

town apply meta badly very often tho, it doesnt make him scum
it makes sense for him to be initially sus imo
if he just sits on the tunnel, does nothing else and never reconsiders then perhaps he is scum

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guess i should try and do something other than slapfight

Ankamius replaced Lycanfire * - i slight tr lycan. particularly the 'oops' hammer. i think scum-lycan would be paying more attention, i kinda doubt he would fake that. not a super strong read.
Liger_Zero replaced Gamma Emerald ** - i sr gamma, liger is starting to make the slot look better recently but wouldnt call it town yet
RAS replaced Alisae - fairly strong tr based on ali
Reiuji Utsuho - my understanding from what others have said is that she's a strong player and i imagine she's capable of putting the kind of stuff on the board that she's done this game. not seen a reason for me to take it out my poe, altho not a sr per se, just not town
Dannflor replaced DoubtingThomas - DT was scummy to me. not sure about dann. slot could be scum.
NerfedBuJ - tr some early posts, competing wagon to scum
MaxwellPuckett replaced Clemency * - since max entrance, slot is looking town. played with scum!max and this feels diff. very old meta tho, use with caution.
Jingle replaced Frozen Angel - scummy to me. not convinced that he believes some of the stances he's taking.
Extrapolated Eagle - probably has exceeded his scumrange imo.
DrDolittle - maybe starting to look a little town? seems like hes trying to get the game back on track, when scum could easily coast on me/prince stuff
Vedith - like others have said, tend to agree he would be doing more as scum. he usually sr me when im town.
Prince of Renais replaced PvtUrist - trying my best to put personal feelings aside, i do think this could be scum leading the town. pvt was scummy to me. power mislynching sho is +scum equity, unlikely he wins if he allows her stay around for a long time. i dont believe that he believes im scum either. could just be town lynching someone he knows is town for ego or whatever.
mcqueen * - have discussed
Karmeleon * - im fairly confident this is karm's town game. wouldnt want to lynch ever.

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if dann ends up being scum it possibly spews prince-slot as town

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Like until this game you were not really a person I had any conscious opinion on

nah you dont get to play innocent

i'd lynch him because he's obnoxious

like I know that xtoxm hates me, but him hating me isn't alignment indicative

you knew full well replacing into this game would create conflict and/or make me rep out
well, i chose to stand up to you this time

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hes not sheeping sho tho is he
we had identified each other as town

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i like how you manage to have exclusively lynchbaity slots as scumreads
very nice

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thats an outstanding move

thank you, thank you, you're far too kind

but nah ive never faked emotions in a mafia game

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Prince is town in any and all cases.

well dont come crying to me when he endgames you

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but yeah this is why standing up to him only works as town
cus if im scum he'll just write it off like
"ahh look he was scum he engineered the whole thing to further his scum agenda"
not giving him that to seize on
no sir, not a chance

[Xtoxm]

fairly confident this is karm's town game.

Do you know my towngame?

[Xtoxm]

Knock knock open up the door it's real with the nonstop pop pop and stainless steel
Xtoxm give it to you, he gonna give it to you

fuck wait for you to get it on your own

[Xtoxm]

I'm so ridiculously far outside my scum range

i am also ridiculously far out of my scum range, because i said so

[Xtoxm]

worst case scenario we need a list of 9 town players that doesnt get infiltrated by scum to avoid being endgamed
game seems really hard for town to win
even if prince is town i kinda doubt itll happen

[Xtoxm]

that kind of confidence is incredibly daft

[Xtoxm]

no im not
game is mountainous but harder bc solo scum can endgame like 8 town at the same time, meaning the lynchpool at lylo is way larger than normal
you know scum almost always win mtness right?

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If you have the same view as I do, which is that prince, EE, and rei are all scum here without a shred of doubt, you would also believe that scum have already lost.

ok, thats 3 townreads. now give me 6 more.
you need 9 to not be endgamed, remember.
not so easy, is it

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Read back around the time of DT's replacement and tell me how you think that ever comes from scum.

glanced and all i see is him calling grapes scum
knowing scum on d1 is >>rand to be scum

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Xtox I will make a math post as soon as I get the time. I don't know for sure what the result will be but I'm guessing odds of scum winning this would be less than 2 percent.

even like the most unbalanced games that get passed arent as bad as 2%
theres no way
im interested to see your math, tho

[Xtoxm]

question: is there anybody in the game that disagrees these people are town?

Prince
Reiuji
Karmeleon
Eagle

hi

[Xtoxm]

i think karm is the only consensus read

[Xtoxm]

I think the only player that everyone thinks is town is me right now, but I'm right on majority of my list at worst.

Jingle
Max
DDL
Light
Karmeleon
Eagle
NerfedBuJ
Xtoxm
Ali
Prince
Dannflor
McQueen
Reiuji
Ank

i just c+p your list and put it into random.org, and i can confidently state that this list is also mostly right at worst, as only 2 scum exist in a pool of 15 players

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Vedith can you engage with me on why you think I'm scum

I think you've scum read me in every game we've been in together regardless of either of our alignments

If you're town, I need to know you really believe the reasons you scum read me for here

haha, i was just thinking the same thing.
this is my 5th game with him and he's scumread me in every time, and ive been town every time
altho in one of them, his read on me later evolved to town (iirc i cced a doc claim so there was strong mechanical reason to tr me but yeah)

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VOTE: vedith

i'll help this wagon just because he's failed to show any learning or courtesy on me
if i was wrong on sr a dude for 2-3 games in a row i'd at least go
"i'll leave this guy at null just cus ive been wrong on him so much"

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i dont call that policy?
i think lack of learning objectively scummy
ank just mislynched me and showed evidence of learning from that in #3298
in his case i think its entirely possible he is just lazy/bad memory or whatever and doesnt realise he sr me and i was town every time
but i'll omgus him for it

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@xtoxm

, who do you think is scum? exclude Prince and Vedith

i gave my reads recently look for it in my iso.

[Xtoxm]

you can lynch me if youre struggling for who to lynch idrc abt this game

[Xtoxm]

putting my vote back here for eod aesthetics

VOTE: prince

[Xtoxm]

wish i could vengekill prince

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scum arent igniting until they can endgame

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im not interested in your questions dann, sorry

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interesting

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ugh i break out in hives every time i accidentally read a prince post

[Xtoxm]

youve done a gj towning up your slot liger
shame most of the game is hard pocketed by scum

[Xtoxm]

in the world where we are both town, that statement applies to him far more than me

[Xtoxm]

scum!me never passes on a hammer on town!liger there btw
as much as scum!rc will try to tell you otherwise

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Top of the morning, gentlemen.

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That is to say I consider game solved at this point and while I could be wrong, I very much doubt it .

youre a funny man

[Xtoxm]

[Xtoxm]

god i am so fucking good at this game

L

[Xtoxm]

god i am so fucking good at this game

L

so like srsly when r u gonna do shit

its funny cuz i didnt do shit in prey mafia so xtoxm can just tell me to fuck off for ruining his game

i'll get serious after we lynch prince
and you didnt ruin my game, prey mafia went great, i was very pleased with it
you can still fuck off tho

[Xtoxm]

hard to ignore him while he takes a massive shit on the game
high chance he is just scum here
and the town is pants on head sheeping him
this is one of the worst "townblocks" ive ever seen
at least mcqueen has the brain to question it

[Xtoxm]

If you can't play with him, replace out. But don't continue to drag on this game like this because the longer you do it the more I am going to assume your hiding behind this position as scum.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10850965
its against the rules to demand someone replace out

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ive said im not replacing out because he keeps replacing into my games and he doesnt deserve the power to force my out my games because he decides to replace in.
you want to get rid of you have have to lynch me out.
end of story.

[Xtoxm]

You know the problem isn't even just that your shitting on him. Its the fact that is ALL YOUR DOING. Do other stuff. You aren't playing the god damn game.

ive given my reads

[Xtoxm]

{prince, rei, jingle, dann}
{eagle, vedith}
{others}

[Xtoxm]

you cant compare a 3:2 solve to a 12:2 solve

[Xtoxm]

this game has zero conftown

[Xtoxm]

I want answers on why is max town from people other than max!
I think max wants to hear those too.

He made a post earlier that showed evidence he had read a recent game of mine. Implying he had gone to efforts to do meta to aid his reads. +town equity.

[Xtoxm]

I am lynching in {Xtoxm}

ftfy

[Xtoxm]

solid chance my reads here are trash due to personal feelings tbh

[Xtoxm]

xtoxm i really had no way of knowing that you felt this strongly about me and i wouldn't have replaced in if I had. you didn't message me privately, you didn't say anything in dead thread.
f you had immediately communicated your feelings to me upon replace in then I would have left. i don't think it's fair to expect me to read your mind

i will respect your blacklist from here on out but i'd appreciate if you played this game, regardless of either of our alignments.

gameface off,
if you're saying this in good faith and didnt just come here to lynch me then i appreciate it.
you stress me out like you wouldnt know and i can be paranoid.
i've been umming about this for a while but i do think i owe you an apology for #3140.
as two people who care about the site and the community, i would like to be able to be courteous with you outside of games while avoiding each other in games.

[Xtoxm]

if this is scum!max he has improved his scum game significantly from what i remember
4 year meta sucks and all but i dont think i'll ever get over this townread

[Xtoxm]

My record isn't too shabby, tbh, especially in the last couple games, and the fact that my PoE is looking prety fucking similar to PoR's should help put things into perspective

Prepare to have ur record stopped

i hard gutread posts like this as town
i also tr how he was challenging the town block
or maybe i just really want the only other person challenging it to be town

[Xtoxm]

hey ddl could you do a bracket/rainbow read?

[Xtoxm]

thank you ddl.
although i disagree with you strongest scumreads, i think thats actually the closest to mine out of everyone.

[Xtoxm]

hello or
tempted to bring an alt in as well now LOL

[Xtoxm]

Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.

unless the team is exactly L0 mcq, highly doubt you are doused

[Xtoxm]

Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.

unless the team is exactly L0 mcq, highly doubt you are doused

Alright, let's do this discussion, because it can help me sort.
What four players do you think are doused right now?

there are 3 doused rn?
if the townblock is legit, i would expect RC, ank, rei, ahead of you.
the only reason for you to be doused is if there is scum in there, or this 14p game solve you keep going on about is exactly right

[Xtoxm]

Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.

unless the team is exactly L0 mcq, highly doubt you are doused

Alright, let's do this discussion, because it can help me sort.
What four players do you think are doused right now?

there are 3 doused rn?
if the townblock is legit, i would expect RC, ank, rei, ahead of you.
the only reason for you to be doused is if there is scum in there, or this 14p game solve you keep going on about is exactly right

Alright.
Why ank/rei ahead of me?

because fmpov you're tunneling mislynches

[Xtoxm]

who are your never lynches

[Xtoxm]

we'll see.
if you die i'll take them into account.

[Xtoxm]

his overconfidence in his solve is whats making me start to think he could be scum
and tunneling is a really easy to way to look like you're doing stuff
i coasted for like 2 days in LNT by tunneling mcqueen

[Xtoxm]

three consecutive mislynches and still no one reassessing their trs?
feels very much like a loss
enter!scum is really starting to grow on me

[Xtoxm]

Hot Take:

Despite thinking X makes sense as scum I want to lynch him last out of the PoE pool because I feel like I would care the least about losing to him.

only way i make sense as scum is if my partner is a sufficiently dominant scum player to overrule my desire to delete rc

[Xtoxm]

still polar opposite of everyone else pretty much.
only person in my mutual poe with the "townblock" is dannflor
i do think jingles posting today is a bit townie, so i'll move him down a notch
i still tr ali slot and ali was really confident e caught fa-slot

something like this
{rc, rei, enter, dann}
{jingle, vedith}
{others}

rei has actually been coasting in forever and i never understood the trs there anyway
really dont think the consensus poe contains both scum at any rate

[Xtoxm]

the others could do have distinctions, but i dont care to make them atm

[Xtoxm]

VOTE: enter

[Xtoxm]

i will respect your blacklist from here on out but i'd appreciate if you played this game, regardless of either of our alignments.

except ive been playing properly since this post
having different reads to consensus doesnt mean im not trying
everyone shat on my reads in sc1 but they were pretty on point and their stupid townblock had 2 scum in it
you have a lot of scum equity
you spent the last 3 days tunneling town and casing mcqueen after he was hammered is lamist crap

[Xtoxm]

since you asked me to prove its more than once

3 recent town games

no deadlines mafia, day 2, 5 of the 6 scum in the game were in my poe:

list of people who should be purged immediately:

Kokichi Oma
Vaxkiller

hebichan
TheBrie
singletonking

Theta Alpine

Jaylow7

vonflare

sheepsaysmeep

starcraft mafia, day 2 (also wasnt expecting 5 scum in the game at the time):

{

Varsoon

}
{

AlmostNancy

}
{

Keyser

,

Nauci

}
{

tw

,

skitter30

,

Mewtaph

}
{

Mitillos

,

Performer

,

shoshin

}

anime upick i lynched scum d1 and was trying to lynch scum d2 (ooba) until rc replaced in

im capable of having good reads
not that i really care
and yeah, anuket my reads werent good. i gave the caveat that i wasnt confident in my reads there. ive given that here as well.

im open to being convinced that im wrong on my one of my townreads.

[Xtoxm]

you spent the last 3 days tunneling town and casing mcqueen after he was hammered is lamist crap

literally answered that in the same post youre complaining about

[Xtoxm]

you and your townblock have been acting like you have the game solved since like, day 2
and all youve been arguing about is which order to lynch us in
if my mislynch is definitely going to occur, i dont actually care whether its d2, d5 or lylo
if youre going to play games like that dont be surprised when all the town in your poe dont give a shit about the game

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i thought he was out of his scumrange in anuket
i was wrong
maybe he is this time
but im not going to give him a pass just because he's put 900 posts on the board
he deserves blowback for being on 3 mislynches in a row, and projected overconfidence in his mcq/liger solve
your link tells me he doesnt enjoy playing scum, and has a low opinion of his own scum game. my experiences with him tell me he is good at playing it in spite of this.

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thats the first post youve made that ive liked dann. if youre scum thats some impressive fake towning.
i like your evaluation of the lack of ignition. i like your reassessment of reads. i like the reason you give for suspicion of or. i like all of that.

or is my brain trust for his unique read list. but the discord between his statements that he's ok being lynched and the apparent survivalism in his attitude is a fair and valid criticism of his play.
i remember #5086 as well and i did find it a bit weird. thinking of myself as a good information lynch in mtness is a pretty foreign concept to me.

[Xtoxm]

dann, i'll go over ali's content and decide if this is the one that slipped by me.
independently, RAS's content is empty and not particularly town to me. fish is yet to make an impact.
one post does stand out in my memory, in light of grapes flip.

hey grapes i remember you being obvtown as town
you made 3 posts and dont look obvtown yet
step it up

okay can you tell me when they obvtowned yet so I don't have to read the slot?
Thank you very much

this one of my trs that has not been reinforced for a significant amount of time so i should at least re-visit it.

[Xtoxm]

i havent done the read yet but if its straight up a choice between fish and or, fish would be my pref fwiw

[Xtoxm]

ank might actually be right

feels a hell of a lot better than any of the other tripe the townblock has come up with

[Xtoxm]

Oh, cool, another day of not lynching DDL.

But Jingle he is my brain trust, man. I can't do it. I actually did spend some time today going over ddl's iso because danns big post. But I still concluded he is most likely town.

[Xtoxm]

Go see a doctor Xtoxm.

Lmao

[Xtoxm]

@mod v/la 12-19 april

i'll have mobile but how much i'll be able to post remains to be seen

[Xtoxm]

of the things people might actually agree to
letting creature pick all the remaining lynches would be a good strategy

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Whats scumy about RU or Xtox tone today?

Short answers:

RU- the lost post 5845, then the talk about having to reread, but then gut towning 2 people just a few posts later. And a lot of what looks like fluff posting.

Xtox- I could be on tilt with him because he just beat me in a game, but the play seems similar from there to here.

hey fish.
im town this time
your slot is a priority sort for me rn
you still around?

[Xtoxm]

yeah thats cool, can you help me understand some of your other reads.
you have creature at null, i think he's done enough even on todays content to have a read on him.
could you go into that one?

[Xtoxm]

ok.
have you read 5869?
this was the post that changed my mind on dann.
you think that post is/can be scum motivated?

[Xtoxm]

alright, it sounded like you were done responding about creature, so i moved on.
i think creature is a relatively easy sort here, please start with him

[Xtoxm]

creature is the single most universally townread slot in this game.
what is his scum motivation for challenging consensus reads?
why not just ride the mislynches others are pushing?

[Xtoxm]

the general consensus reads fmpov this game has been

townblock
creature, rc, ank, enter, rei

no mans land
fish, jingle, vedith

poe
x/dann/max/liger/or

note, these are not my reads, but my observation of what most people in the game have appeared to agree with from my perspective

[Xtoxm]

rei and rc in his left pile is certainly against the grain

[Xtoxm]

have you ever seen creatures scum game?

[Xtoxm]

rei and rc in his left pile is certainly against the grain

And if he is scum he has to have some people he can set aside for later when he might need a mislynch that he could push. RC is especially an easy one to scumpile and not even a little bit controversial. RC is strong as fuck as scum and always is a threat, putting him in a scumpile and then going about his business without ever really doing anything with the read means nothing. Is creature pushing RC as a lynch today?

RU is someone im seeing scum equity in as well, so I cant hate him for that read.

this is actually not true. town need a block of 9 players to correctly identify each other to avoid being endgamed in lylo. challenging rc is not something that scum!creature needs to do at all to win this game.

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ive suspected a deep wolf for quite some time in this game, in fact i tr most of the poe and also tr the past 3 lynches. so creature doing that is further evidence is his favour fmpov.
your slot had actually been widely tr based on your predecessor ali, and only recently have people been starting to call it scum.
creature is locktown for me for a multitude of reasons.
im not looking to change your mind here, really. im trying to gauge if your read is genuine.
im happy for you to move onto my question about dann now if you are

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i find it difficult to believe anyone can truly suspect him here, perhaps its because you arent caught up tho.
i feel like further discussion on him is going to amount to me towncasing him which isnt necessary or productive.
i think youve made your stance clear

[Xtoxm]

Xtox, what did you think about Enters posts surrounding Danns new list for a scumpool for today?

could you link me what exactly you are referring to?

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i do agree with you on those posts. dann has been a sr for me for most of the game, it is easy to find posts of his that ping me.
with the or/you thing - i have had similar thoughts to him there. or's posting at l-1 looked pretty townie to me, while you were absent at the time, so i dont find that switch alarming.

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If its out of us 4, why is jingle there and why did dann include himself in his own lynch pool?

i dont know. putting yourself in a lynch pool is lamist crap and deffo +scum equity.

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creature is the single most universally townread slot in this game.
what is his scum motivation for challenging consensus reads?
why not just ride the mislynches others are pushing?

No, he isn't.

Why aren't you did of creature after 2059?

his play there compared to his play here is like night and day.

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im talking to fish, and i'd appreciate it if you didnt butt in.

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Xtox, what did you think about Enters posts surrounding Danns new list for a scumpool for today?

ok, i see now. pretty much par for the course for him, i think?
i disagree with almost everything enter says, hes been on 3 mislynches in a row, and there are other specific things that have pinged me.
on the other side, i have to wonder if maybe he really is out of his scum range this time? i dont know. post count is literally the only thing i would town read him for, and while he has more posts here than anuket (a recent game with him), i applied that principle incorrectly as he was scum in that game.

[Xtoxm]

Alright, so we have difficulty maintaining a constant PoE between players in the town block and we have trouble keeping the PoE w/in a specific number of players. Right now if we don't lynch scum in the next three days, we lose. That means you can have 1 scum in a pool of 3 or 2 scum in a pool of 4. I proposed a pool of 4 earlier that contained both scum. You just proposed a completely different lynch pool that contained 2 players which were outside the pool before and without contesting or pushing against the players currently in the pool. Even if you fully believe in the lynch pool you proposed, maintaining and pushing that without having a good solid clear on all the players before is a good way to keep town in general confused on who to lynch and the overall lynch pool of town is quite large. If we lynch in the pool you listed right now and there is only one scum in it (you) then we end up in lylo w/ 3 possible scum candidates that have large amounts of contention about them for like the entirety of the game.

xtox, do you disagree with this assesment of the situation?

he has the facts of the situation correct, yes. we do need a pool of 4 that contains both scum. i dont agree with him on who those individuals are.

[Xtoxm]

Enter is, from how I understood it, accusing Dann of widening the potential lynch pool, instead of sticking within a certain established pool without specifically excluding any of the previous people from the pool.

i would be guilty of the same charge, in that case.

[Xtoxm]

im going to step out of the thread now, enter is irritating me.

[Xtoxm]

peace

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Im still waiting on Tox to come in and explain his progression on my slot.

up until that post by dann i asked you to look at i was town read your slot.
it took that post with dann making a case on you plus others i tr read sring you to realise how stale my read on your slot was
(literally the tr was based on the time between game start and prince replacing in)
and due to this being the only wagon i didnt tr i got caught up in the hype a bit and was optimistic it might be scum
but with you willing to interact with me like you did, and seeing some of your behavior under pressure while i was away, i have lost that optimism
its feeling like another mislynch tbh.

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this game moves too damn fast and the speedlynching isnt helpful. im assuming those 2 votes there are hammering fish.

[Xtoxm]

i'd be depressed by this game if i hadn't checked out of it a long time ago.

same.

[Xtoxm]

interesting
i think fish passed on a chance to hammer liger which would just be really weird if liger is town, for the amount of pressure fish has been under

good news is i tr rc and rei if this scums, so maybe we can win this after all
my v/la will have started by new dawn (eastermeet!) so i'll be largely absent until next friday, fair warning

[Xtoxm]

scrap that, fish was on the wagon according to vc 5.4

[Xtoxm]

(the liger bit)

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i do think jingle is the most likely fish partner
i think i have reason to tr everyone except jingle and vedith
provided this is indeed a scum flip

[Xtoxm]

That was some top trolling fish, well played! You really had me going when you started spamming YouTube vids.

Lmao at those crybabies replacing over a bit of twilight trolling. Probably all town.

[Xtoxm]

Tohru replaced locktown creature, congrats. Solve the game and I'll sheep you. Back on Friday.

[Xtoxm]

mislynches participated in:
ank - 5
dannflor - 5
Akarin - 4
rc - 4
psyche - 4
saudade - 3
jingle - 3
Tohru - 2
max - 2
vedith - 0
xtoxm - 0

im happy to not consider the slots that have participated in 3 or less mislynches

ank, dann, akarin, rc, psyche

of these i tr the replace outs for akarin/psyche slots

ank, dann, rc

i tr dann the most of those 3, leaving

ank/rc

[Xtoxm]

VOTE: rc

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Xtoxm idk why you townread dann tbh

idk man idrgas, bop applies to dann the least of the 3 and he is the top poster
ive never cared less about a lylo in my entire mafia career including irl meatworld games
this vote feels the best

[Xtoxm]

irl meme games*
its too late for me to do words lol

[Xtoxm]

@mod v/la 24th-29th

[Xtoxm]

literally fuck off dann
you sr 5 consecutive town lynches
i tr 5 consecutive town lynches
you are the one whos been pushing town all game

[Xtoxm]

Relooked at Xtoxm. Think he's town.

Though, Xtoxm, as an objective third party observer, I think you played better (townier) in Topaz :/

Oh well.

probably, i was more interested there
theres enough here to see that im town

Tohru replaced locktown creature, congrats. Solve the game and I'll sheep you. Back on Friday.

mm, i did promise to do that, and you fixed your read on me
your or lynch was pretty lame tho
VOTE: jingle

[Xtoxm]

mislynches participated in:
ank - 5
dannflor - 5
Akarin - 4
rc - 4
psyche - 4
saudade - 3
jingle - 3
Tohru - 2
max - 2
vedith - 0
xtoxm - 0

im happy to not consider the slots that have participated in 3 or less mislynches

ank, dann, akarin, rc, psyche

of these i tr the replace outs for akarin/psyche slots

ank, dann, rc

i tr dann the most of those 3, leaving

ank/rc

lol yeah
town spent the whole game lynching my trs so i really didnt care
thing im most disappointed in is jingle ignoring mechanically good plays in favour of a superficial tr

[Xtoxm]

xtoxm is consistently great, and yes, maybe his reasoning looks bad but his read accuracy speaks for itself.

aw thanks <3

[Xtoxm]

this is what his reads looked like when he wasnt able to cheat