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I think this is a bad read. Vedith claiming town certainly means scum or third party. Though I do believe he's punched a gorilla.
Next question was going to be why is enter voting Varsoon when there is a 6 man pool that has a high probability of containing scum and of those 6 from his point of view he can remove himself from that pool.In post 106, MariaR wrote:Why is this a relevant question? Nya~In post 105, RCEnigma wrote:Do you believe prince, Dunn, mariar have a neighborhood?
VOTE: enter
Before someone argues that scum might not be in the neighborhoods. Sure, but they might. I'd rather hunt in 6 than in 12 slots.
Townleans on Vedith and Chara. No scumreads.In post 236, Enter wrote:That's where I'm trying to get us.
Do you have anything on anyone?
The way I figure it, if you haven't sorted her yet, her wagon isn't a bad place to do it.
I'll change my vote when I see something scummier than a double claim. Of anything it needs to be policy lynched, I'll never see it as town.
Besides that I am always conservative with my votes. You saw that in our newbie game, it isn't an alignment indicative thing I just don't generally vote swing.
Besides that I am always conservative with my votes. You saw that in our newbie game, it isn't an alignment indicative thing I just don't generally vote swing.
I made that post before Pink ball denied the neighborhood existed. You can't retroactively make my observations on a later exposed fake claim scummy.
Furthermore it absolutely makes sense that we would have a higher chance of picking 1 scum from 6 slots. Any town in those 6 slots can eliminate themselves and the probably 1 of the other slots being scum is 1 in 5 and up to 50% likely from their point of view. As opposed to hunting between 12 other slots which has less than a 10% chance of being scum in isolation. I did 0 actual math these are just approximations but you see my point.
Also if you really think that's scummy then what is my motivation there? If my partner(s) is in one of the proposed neighborhoods it's weak distancing at best. If they aren't then I'm simultaneously spewing 6 slots as town. I may not be good at playing scum but thats a disrespectful estimation of my play.
Furthermore it absolutely makes sense that we would have a higher chance of picking 1 scum from 6 slots. Any town in those 6 slots can eliminate themselves and the probably 1 of the other slots being scum is 1 in 5 and up to 50% likely from their point of view. As opposed to hunting between 12 other slots which has less than a 10% chance of being scum in isolation. I did 0 actual math these are just approximations but you see my point.
Also if you really think that's scummy then what is my motivation there? If my partner(s) is in one of the proposed neighborhoods it's weak distancing at best. If they aren't then I'm simultaneously spewing 6 slots as town. I may not be good at playing scum but thats a disrespectful estimation of my play.
Let me rebuttal with this. Have you sorted all 12 slots outside of your own yet?In post 252, Shiro wrote:Well the very fact you said we should look on these 6 people instead of generally in the game. Let alone that the second set was outright denied by the other people.
I coukd understand saying that something was fishy between the two people(the one that claimed it and the one that denied it) but the rest? It's totally irrelevant and I find it fishy you want us to focus on the six.
A readslist would be nice to know what you think of everyone.
What? Idk how you assume it could have 0 scum since the game is going. Assuming you're town a random subset of 12 excluding you has 3 to 4. At least 3, always.In post 255, Chara wrote:i can tell you didn't do any math, because a random subset of 12 players could have 1 scum in it, or it could have none.In post 253, RCEnigma wrote:Furthermore it absolutely makes sense that we would have a higher chance of picking 1 scum from 6 slots. Any town in those 6 slots can eliminate themselves and the probably 1 of the other slots being scum is 1 in 5 and up to 50% likely from their point of view. As opposed to hunting between 12 other slots which has less than a 10% chance of being scum in isolation. I did 0 actual math these are just approximations but you see my point.
so it doesn't really make sense. i'm not holding it against you, though!
This wasn't about my reads.In post 272, Chara wrote:how about you start by sorting 3?In post 267, RCEnigma wrote:Didn't get what you meant. That's semantics though. You could choose 10 slots at random and there could be 0 scum there. I maintain that as a starting point, sorting 6 players is far better than sorting all 12 from a starting point of 0 reads.
I asked why she thought it was scummy and she said it's because enters neighborhood was fake. ??
I don't think his town block was serious either but it was town to me how he presented it and why. You probably have a better read on Enter than I do, i only played one game with him so my read is objective and his playstyle is different from that game anyways. I do think he's capable as scum though.
I don't think his town block was serious either but it was town to me how he presented it and why. You probably have a better read on Enter than I do, i only played one game with him so my read is objective and his playstyle is different from that game anyways. I do think he's capable as scum though.
Which is all fine, saying neighborhoods can be all town doesn't make them all town though. The pushback against hunting within that block of 6 at the very least, makes me think twice.In post 296, Enter wrote:1. I've seen all town neighborhoods: Especially considering there is only one neighborhood of 3, it is very likely that you would know from your scum buddies that they aren't in any neighborhoods => you say safe to pushIn post 253, RCEnigma wrote:Furthermore it absolutely makes sense that we would have a higher chance of picking 1 scum from 6 slots. Any town in those 6 slots can eliminate themselves and the probably 1 of the other slots being scum is 1 in 5 and up to 50% likely from their point of view. As opposed to hunting between 12 other slots which has less than a 10% chance of being scum in isolation. I did 0 actual math these are just approximations but you see my point.
Also if you really think that's scummy then what is my motivation there? If my partner(s) is in one of the proposed neighborhoods it's weak distancing at best. If they aren't then I'm simultaneously spewing 6 slots as town. I may not be good at playing scum but thats a disrespectful estimation of my play.
2. You're using bad math/bad logic again, like you did in newbie when you were scum.
{scum:town} in neighborhood is just as likely to be proportionate to {scum:town} in game, or completely non-existent in the neighborhoods, given that it's happened before. You're pushing off a logical fallacy
I don't really remember using numbers, just broken logic I couldn't justify explaining.In post 497, Enter wrote:No, he flipped scum.In post 496, Sigma Sapphire Slacks wrote:I’m assuming he flipped town there?In post 494, Enter wrote:The newbie I was in he was using bad numbers to justify bad play as well.In post 493, Sigma Sapphire Slacks wrote:I want to say maybe RCE is town and just insanely bad with probability
And Shiro kinda town too. Those reads would be maybe in between Vedith/Prince and MariaR/PB
Because it really looks like he’s trying to solve. And I don’t mean to be patronizing in saying that but there’s no nicer yet clear way to say it I don’t think.
In fact he looked a lot like this, used a lot of numbers, tried to look like he was solving, and convinced me he wasn't scum in the process. :/
I personally don't think he's scum. I haven't read them at all and don't recall any if their posts.In post 525, Wisdom wrote:what kind of logic is thisIn post 517, RCEnigma wrote:Also, Dunn likely gets invested like night 1 if we have any so I probably wouldn't vote there anyways.
if someone is likely scum you lynch them, you dont wait for cops if they even exist to catch them
However if I have two slots I scumread equally with equal equity and one has a better chance of identifying an additional slot then sure I'd go with that.
Sure, scummy. If that's your argument for why I should be voting Dunn over Blackjacks then sorry but no.In post 526, Sigma Sapphire Slacks wrote:So in the context of Dunn's ISO, what do you think of 508?In post 524, RCEnigma wrote:In almost all cases yes but that's personal preference probably.
Am I obligated to scumread bad posts?In post 528, Sigma Sapphire Slacks wrote:How can you not think he is scum if you haven't read his posts >_>
Does that make Blackjacks less likely scum?In post 532, Wisdom wrote:The difference between blackjacks and dunn is that dunn has tried to affect the game. In a very underwhelming way but you can see possible agenda there
Blackjacks have posted nothing game related
Is this what you mean by affecting the game? This is Dunn's only real game post. I don't know how this seems agenda driven.In post 133, Dunnstral wrote:In post 126, Pink Ball wrote:I deny this.In post 84, Enter wrote:Oh nevermind you did answer me!
All aboard!
Also Pink Ball, myself, and Blackjacks are in a neighborhood together.
VOTE: EnterGonna discuss this with Prince/Maria, not sure how to feel about Enter lying about neighborhoodsIn post 128, Pink Ball wrote:What else would I imply by denying a neighborhood claim? I'm not in any neighborhood whatsoever.
I haven't given actual thought to the interaction yet. But surface level it looks like you aren't together.In post 567, Sigma Sapphire Slacks wrote:Wisdom, I read the "...probably" as a huge out.
Ehh you were pretty much IC we had to play around. Still don't think you have a reliable read on me based on one game I repped into.In post 650, Enter wrote:VOTE: RCE
Dismissive is another good way to describe your attitude towards me that game.
@PR TBH I don't really know blackjacks but if what you're saying is true you might be overthinking it. Ofhrz has been active elsewhere on site for the past little while now. Might be scum team is just counting on the wagon to fall off because of no content to it.
UNVOTE:
So Blackjacks was on L-1 via slaxx vote briefly. It wasn't announced but slaxx moved to Eevee pretty quick so meh. Maybe I'm not seeing the obvtown thing because he's pushing me as a team with dunn.
On the other side of the coin I'm not a fan of the slots borderline towning me in a group with shiro. I don't find her townie.
Also think there is a lot of subtle pocketing going on, I just don't know where.
So Blackjacks was on L-1 via slaxx vote briefly. It wasn't announced but slaxx moved to Eevee pretty quick so meh. Maybe I'm not seeing the obvtown thing because he's pushing me as a team with dunn.
On the other side of the coin I'm not a fan of the slots borderline towning me in a group with shiro. I don't find her townie.
Also think there is a lot of subtle pocketing going on, I just don't know where.
Not to call you a donkey but...In post 768, Prince of Renais wrote:RCE was one of my biggest question marks this game and I believe I have found a meta tell that will determine his alignment with 100% accuracy.
I'm verifying it further because I'd feel really stupid if I came in declaring this sure of a read and was wrong. More to follow.
If prince is Elsa this kind of play is nai.In post 892, Enter wrote:In post 886, RCEnigma wrote:The only way you aren't scumtelling isnit you're actually Elsa lol.
What does this mean?
I'm literally turning into RC just with a shitty town game.In post 895, Prince of Renais wrote:Here's the point I'm trying to make btw
How serious does pretty much anyone take it if someone says yo I have this 100% meta tell and it says your scum you die now
Especially me being some random
I don't think town RCenigma takes it all that seriously
Where as scum he's scared and wants to discredit it hence the fake yada yada yada yada.
Meh, I trust your read. I'm mafia drained I think.In post 901, Enter wrote:Probably town indicative, if anything.
I follow the process and could kinda guess at what he was doing as he did it, so I'm not surprised it turned this way.
I think I somewhat agree with the results? I've run similar gambits before but it's been so long that I'm not sure how reliable this specific one is.
Attacking all my scumreaders, defaulting to ate, conspiracy theorizing. The RC things. I just don't have the drive to follow through and turn any of it into a town positive as of now.In post 904, Prince of Renais wrote:Still a v confusing post
In post 910, Enter wrote:Pretty sure Shiro is town.In post 909, Prince of Renais wrote:That unvote sketches me out a lot.
My only issue with Enter at the moment is that his read is me being dismissive with slots and he hasn't really questioned why I've actively been buddying up to him.
Still think he is town, wisdom/enter/shiro/Chara. It's kinda weird most of my townreads scumread but I feel they are wrong with ok-ish intentions if jIcompare it to the way PoR approached trying to read me which was already angled.
Still think he is town, wisdom/enter/shiro/Chara. It's kinda weird most of my townreads scumread but I feel they are wrong with ok-ish intentions if jIcompare it to the way PoR approached trying to read me which was already angled.
Fair enough lol.In post 963, Enter wrote:what does this meanIn post 961, Shiro wrote:OK i changed my mind on MariaR.
Vote:Enigma
If he flips scum, enter is likely scum with him. I really don't like enter saying, yeshe is playing yo his scum game but yada yada.you buddying me is the only thing keeping me from lynching you right nowIn post 962, RCEnigma wrote:My only issue with Enter at the moment is that his read is me being dismissive with slots and he hasn't really questioned why I've actively been buddying up to him.
Still think he is town, wisdom/enter/shiro/Chara. It's kinda weird most of my townreads scumread but I feel they are wrong with ok-ish intentions if jIcompare it to the way PoR approached trying to read me which was already angled.
i didn't see scum you do it