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Voting the only person you know?
Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive?

VOTE: nom

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I’ve played with town URAP before. Tone was similar.

Can we all just lynch nomnom?

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Did you join my wagon simply to increase its size or do you have read-related reasons? You have reacted to my posts after voting me.

-Question’s whether vote has reasons
-Immedkately states that saw reasons, but tried to discredit them for non-reason.

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is it really sheeping if he hasn't voted Locke? I feel you're jumping the gun here.

Overly cautious about a non-wagon, tried to dissuade it (probs for town credit).

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Voting the only person you know?
Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive?

Pointless question with some fluff added on from nervous-scum.

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I consider it bold

But is it strong?

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Should we lynch nom^3?

Yayaya.

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Chicken is town

There was a time when I rejected this. That time has passed.

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It's not really about pushing reads, BWs, lynches and whatnot, it's the way they talk specifically rather than what's being said that struck me as ultra weird.

Awww.

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Alac, do you appear every time someone mentions your name or how does it work? Weird timing

Alakazam!

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Mmmk. URAP is town. PP is town. Altricity is town.

Insomnia is trying to pocket me, and is buddies with nom^3.

I do believe newbies are good to keep around since they usually improve their game later on and you can figure them out more easily.

Is a scumclaim.

VOTE: Insomnia

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Yeah but you think she's scum. You have not displayed such conviction on your Locke read. And nom was a perfectly legit counterwagon to push.

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I’d say what you’re doing is more defending. I’d also say that nom was your counter wagon, not Locke, so it’s interesting you went on Locke.

That makes nom/insomnia more likely buddies, no?

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But odd trying to pocket the Newbie by calling them scum though.

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So you think gems trying to pocket you? Or why else do you think he didn’t join your wagon?

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*he’s

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Hey Eragon! Don't shoot me this time, k?

Tell me when you realise insomnia is scum.

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DK if I’ve missed anything but I couldn’t see a reason for Grandwazoo vote? Please tell.

Reminder that Insomnia is scum.

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Oh yeah sorry I’m getting games mixed up. Thought Eragon was here from the start for some reason.

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He does seem to be asking filler questions, not really providing content. But the catch-up’s not over, so meh.

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@Alacrity:

I don't understand why scum specifically would engage that point the way I did, but town would not. I thought that entire engagement was self-evident, so it is entirely possible that something got lost in translation.

I did not answer your question because there really is not any reason to. Revealing why I want this alt to be secret would be counter-productive, as it would drastically reduce the amount of players that it can apply to. I quite like this alt, I would like to keep using it. =)

By keeping your main a secret you are denying us the chance to compare your present play with your town/scum meta. A town player would welcome such scrutiny.

Transparency is only counter-productive to scum.

VOTE: Grandwazoo

L-1

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VOTE: Grandwazoo

L-1

Wanna talk about it?

Not really.

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It's such a bs reason to start pushing someone.

There's standard bs reasons, and there's that.

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Ok this is actually scum.

VOTE: URAP

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When did an and become an or?

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Sorry I’ve been busy today. Will talk more tomorrow.

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Shhhh

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They can’t know.

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VOTE: Eragon

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So are milk cartons.

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Eragon makes common read for scum, ergo Eragon is town.

Seems legit.

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VOTE: Not_mafia

We should actually just Lynch this.

Like I know what he's doing is NAI but I can't stand it.

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So let me get this straight, when I'm like "SCREW THIS COW" earlier on because he wasn't contributing, everyone is shrugging and everything but once he starts doing something reasonable people say stuff like this?
What??

I don't remember that. I kind of forgot he was in this game.

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DW penguin I'll Lynch GW IRL tomorrow.

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I don’t even remember doing that. I might be mixing games together though.

GW you should claim.

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Oh yeah that was a bad post. Don’t know why I moved off that wagon tbh.

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Ok I'll drop the alt business since it seems NAI here.

Nomnom & Urap still haven't addressed 282

I feel like this post happened because of a partner telling him to stop. 3 people doing this were URAP, Nom and Locke.

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Obviously Altricity is town. I don’t think scum pushes buddy so hard on OOG stuff.

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I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.

And no Urap I didn't think I was hammered. I may be a prick but I'm not an idiot lol

I think this means NM isn’t scum.

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GW, what are your reads at this point?

I agree that the flow of this game feels odd, but the argument that it means this wagon must be scum driven because I'm on it is not compelling fmpov (lol)

If not GW, I think I want Eragon, Jay, or Locke today

My townbloc is Urap, pp, nomnom and MCK. Scum Alac, Locke and Roster. Everyone else null.

Notice how he puts Locke in his scumbloc without ever interacting with him before, with the exception of the alt account thing and some fluff.

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And never tried to push Locke.

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Finally got a chance to read Eragon catch up. Reminds me of when I'd turn in a massive term paper 2 hrs before it's due, knowing the prof had neither time nor desire to read the damn thing. It's got lots of content, and lots of footnotes, it must be good!

Alas, his SR on me centers almost entirely on the Alacrity-alt business, which I dropped literally 15 pages ago and have no intention of revisiting. Is this a scummy push? More to the point, would scum continue to bang on at length about this, thereby drawing unwanted attention? Or is this more likely to come from a bullheaded town? I mean, I ask myself this all the time and it's usually the latter.

As I explained elsewhere, "Riff" means a joke in this context.

It was Nathan Hale, not Nathaniel Greene, who said "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country."

I agree with most of these townreads, with the exception of Elsa and NM. Evidently to get townread by Eragon your playstyle must either be "fun" or YOLO. NM is unlynchable it seems. Elsa's ISO is really bad.

VOTE: Elsa

Vote on Elsa without reasons. IDK whether this is more likely to be a bus or not, so I’ll just leave it.

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What makes you think this wagon is led by town, if anything this feels like scum making use of the replace out to get votes of their partner

Feels like a soft-defense to me.

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Also means Locke/Eragon isn’t a team.

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It's such a bs reason to start pushing someone.

There's standard bs reasons, and there's that.

UNVOTE: GrandWazoo
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with GW at L-1 for a reason this weak, it's like the least scum-indicative thing about GW

I also feel like this is trying to stop the GW lynch. From memory I was comfortable going to L-1 because NM was already on the wagon.

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Well then I'm fine with helping start the Insomnia/Eragon wagon back up again, after all my read on GW is mainly based off the possibility of him being Insomnia's scum partner so why not find out whether Insomnia/Eragon is scum first

VOTE: Eragon

‘My read is based on being Insomnia’s scum partner’ seems untrue to me.

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A traitor would know the mafia but the mafia wouldn’t know them, so I’m more comfortable with saying that just Locke has these asdociatives.

VOTE: Locke

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Your latest posts make me think you have scum information to say all of this, and it's visible in your wording choices in particular.

You mean because I brought up about the traitor? Because I realised about this when I was about to start ISO'ing Elsa for associatives that there probably wouldn't be if Elsa was traitor.

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Curious as to your thoughts so...I'm gone tomorrow and likely Tuesday, so tonight would be good.

My thoughts are that I see this game has 11 people and from a glance someone tried to fake hammer. Seems fun.

I'm going to assume 2 scum and 1 unrecruitable traitor ATM. Probably able to get killed by scum.

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Why does it seem untrue when I literally only started looking for other scum besides Insomnia based off the idea that they acted like they might be his scum partner?

His actions don't make sense to me from a town perspective, especially with his lack of fearing a quickhammer and the fact he was properly scumreading Insomnia. Like this explanation just seems fishy asf to me

Tells me that you had independent from being Insomnia's partner.

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How? This was part of the whole me scumreading basically everyone on the wagon who wasn't n_m

Yeah exactly, you're trying to discredit the wagon by shading its players but not the wagon itself. That's kind of what I mean by soft-defense.

Pedit: I always write like that lol. I'll address your specific points in a minute.

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How does that dispute me saying I mainly based my scumread of him off of the idea he was Insomnia/Eragon's scum parter

But your vote was because you didn't like his actions. I don't see how not fearing a quickhammer on Insomnia makes him Insomnia/Eragon's partner?

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Roster was really assertive on day 1. A lot of certainties in their posts, a lot of confidence and general pushing a lot their convictions without much doubt. That really stood out to me even if it kind of stopped near the end of that day.

Then today you have this kind of post.

This is how I try to get reactions day 1. Post flip (particularly scum flip) I can actually base my reads of how people interacted with known alignments, and it's much more about feeling than guesswork pretending-to-be-fact.

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It works much better when I'm active which I wasn't for a lot of yesterday.

Pedit: Quickhammer on Insomnia yeah? So you're saying that he switched to Altracity to deflect the Insomnia wagon?

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Do you think I actually thought you'd get lynched? Maybe it's because you're inexperienced, but that sort of lynch never goes through.

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Nom I never actually scumread people D1.

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Ok so Locke has convinced me that my point about him kind-of-lying with his push on Eragon today is unfounded.

However I still believe he's GW's partner. I'd like both you and nom to address the point in 826 that GW was stopping because of a message from his buddy - either Locke or Nom, since URAP was town. Do you agree with that? If not, why?

Pedit: Yeah lol. I have like 0 confidence that I'm right about my D1 reads. They are 'reads' in some sense but I don't trust them.

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I'm pretty sure D1 lynches follow the random percentage, or maybe even a bit under since scum can control it quite well. It's in later days where town can actually use information.

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Oh shit my case on you is dying.

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UNVOTE:

In fact that makes it likely that neither of you are scum with him.

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Since scum would almost certainly never pair that in main chat.

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So scum in Eragon/PP/Elsa/Milk

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Yes, the guy who led the eod push on scum is scum.

Don't be bad.

Also true.

I’m kind of 50/50 over Milk or Elsa, but Eragon makes sense to be scum off the wagon.

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Can you expound on this please?

Scum tells Wazoo in scumchat to stop the alt thing IMO and says nothing in main chat to try to take the attention away from the situation.

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Actually I don’t think Eragon buses his partner out the gate, so I’ll look at Elsa’s ISO wrt GW.

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But if it’s traitor maybe he doesn’t know. Ok so doesn’t say anything if Eragon is full maf.

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PP, why do you townread Elsa?

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They're not in your scumpools.

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So is there some reason, or what? Becuse every other living player except Elsa and NM is in there I think.

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VOTE: Eragon

Sure.

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VOTE: Milk

L-2, reminder that NM is in this game

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UNVOTE:

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Ok I don’t actually object to this lynch but I’m not ready to end the day yet. You’re right.

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OK you're going to have to explain this slip to me.

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Your in pretty good standing rn, your associations look pretty good and just dont lolhammer, and you should do fine tbhote on TMCK

Oh lol

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PENGUIN/Eragon?

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Well if you're town it's a ridiculous amount of town power to compensate for 3 scum and no traitor? I just don't see why he'd write 'associative' as town?

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He's not playing another game.

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Penguin was the one who was plausibly voting you when that post was made. After that is Altricity then me, in order of unvotes.

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I liked the reactions from nom, first of all for calling it out and bringing it up, after multiple people missed/ignored it. It shows good attention to detail and actual drive to figure out motives.

Feels bad, but you messed up. Not going to work with me.

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But I also don't like that you are playing it up as a reaction test.

Desperate scum theatre methinks.

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That post doesn't make sense to have a slip in the middle of it. That would actually take effort.

I'll give you a reaction test...but it was not well done.

Ok well obviously from your point of view it was.

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Wait wait wait wait. Elsa didnt quickhammer despite thinking eragon is caught scum and then eragon comes back with "it was all just reaction" how incredibly lucky.

Neither did I. It doesn’t mean anything because there is always a chance it really was a reaction test so we should at least get reactions.

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I would believe your claim much more if you had said something like ‘Slip’ in the previous post, and believe me nobody would have noticed that until after your slip.

Pedit: If you’ve got something more than the ‘crumb’ then please share.

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But why aren't you ready my dude? When you find scum theres nothing wrong with ending the day a bit early, stops them weaseling their way out of this

Oh I don’t know, when something like a scumslip happens and then you have a much clearer idea of scumteam s?

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I want to lynch Eragon. I really don’t believe the reaction test. In the unlikely event that it town it’s Milk. + traitor probably.

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Locke, that post was about hammering Milk no? Now I think it’s Eragon/Penguin. So we seem to have averted a mislynch if I’m right. Sometimes it’s not so bad for things to drag on.

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Yeah I agree about the huge AtE.

In any case I think Eragon should claim. I’m not voting because I don’t know the vote count but I’m not going to stay off this for very long.

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If Eragon is scum penguin is the buddy. Almost certainly.

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Because Penguin was voting Milk at the time of the slip, which mentioned buddy voting Milk.

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Penguin doesn’t need to be being coached for Eragon to try giving some advice.

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Did you not notice the fact that I think 3 people overlooked your scumslip until it was pointed out? Nobody checks a few posts before for the word slip.

Also you never get good reactions out of this because scum knows it’s fake.

Btw if you flip town, I’m 100% sure Milk is scum for that policy lynch post alone.

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VOTE: Milk

Grrr I’m kind of seeing that it might have been a reaction test. Don’t do it again though ty.

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Right Eragon is scum. I’m not being dissuaded from this again. Maybe it wasn’t a scum-slip but I actually don’t think that town does that.

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VOTE: Eragon

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Do you not think we’d make NM quickhammer instead?

And come on it wasn’t a quickhammer - we’d considered a lot. You’re rewriting what happens.

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He had claimed, and I was believing the push on him. I don’t think I needed to claim intent there.

Yeah but it it was coordinated we’re a team together - I’d argue that the fact that I hammered means we’re not buddies. IDK how to actually read NM, so IDK on his comment.

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*alignment

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Oh I think I might have had a brain Aneurysm

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Yeah nom I have no idea why I thought it was a hammer (and I remember clearly thinking it was a hammer).

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Yeah I see, but I felt like Milk was scum and people were agreeing (hence the wagon shift).

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I feel the same way.

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I can’t.

I don’t think Chibi was around in that time gap, so scenario 1 isn’t possible.

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No, but I can’t remember if the top of my head and I can’t make a proper case rn so...

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Because the slip is quite important to that slot?

I talked about Locke before. He’ s town.

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No I forgot mafia had daytalk

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UNVOTE:

In fact that makes it likely that neither of you are scum with him.

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I'm having a crisis over my handling of this game. If Nom and Locke really want to go for NM fine, but I'm convinced Eragon is scum.

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I feel like I'm not processing anything that people actually think in this game today.

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I’ll kick the massclain off - VT.

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Eragon is still scum.

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But they’re unproductive lynches.

So we should be lynching in me/Eragon/Locke/NM.

I am of the opinion that Locke is town, so I could go with Eragon or NM as I’ve been saying.

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Ank, I was basically on the GW wagon. I wasn’t really trying to derail is lynch at all.

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@Alacrity:

I don't understand why scum specifically would engage that point the way I did, but town would not. I thought that entire engagement was self-evident, so it is entirely possible that something got lost in translation.

I did not answer your question because there really is not any reason to. Revealing why I want this alt to be secret would be counter-productive, as it would drastically reduce the amount of players that it can apply to. I quite like this alt, I would like to keep using it. =)

By keeping your main a secret you are denying us the chance to compare your present play with your town/scum meta. A town player would welcome such scrutiny.

Transparency is only counter-productive to scum.

VOTE: Grandwazoo

L-1

VOTE: Grandwazoo

L-1

Wanna talk about it?

Not really.

It's such a bs reason to start pushing someone.

There's standard bs reasons, and there's that.

Ok this is actually scum.

VOTE: URAP

VOTE: Eragon

Eragon makes common read for scum, ergo Eragon is town.

Seems legit.

VOTE: Not_mafia

We should actually just Lynch this.

Like I know what he's doing is NAI but I can't stand it.

DW penguin I'll Lynch GW IRL tomorrow.

I don’t even remember doing that. I might be mixing games together though.

GW you should claim.

Ok I'll drop the alt business since it seems NAI here.

Nomnom & Urap still haven't addressed 282

I feel like this post happened because of a partner telling him to stop. 3 people doing this were URAP, Nom and Locke.

these are the posts close-ish-ish to EoD 1

you push GW a little, completey drop it.

then you vote THREE OTHER, DIFFERENT PEOPLE
without even mentioning GW

then you go back to pushing GW as scum, but not dropping a vote, as well as linking a scum!Wazoo narrative with one of URAP/Nom/locke

The final post is at start of D2. Nice misrep. I was about to hammer him after my actual last D1 post.

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Ank I’m not sure I trust your reads.

Nom is town, you are town, I believe PP’s claim (indicates there is no traitor probably). I think itms Eragon and one of Locke/NM. I have issues with deciding who it is between those two but Eragon is the best lynch.

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I will vote NM in a pinch but I really do prefer Eragon.

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Because you’re really hard reading Locke scum, when it’s Eragon scum. That’s my problem.

The PoE is pretty much impossible to get another way unless I think Penguin is scum.

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I can be, but Eragon is more obvious.

Also I think Locke is town, and I do think this stronger than NM.

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I have vague memories that you actually cased him. Maybe I should go read it.

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Do you think GW’s scumbuddy tells him in tread to stop the alt thing when they’re partners though? That’s the basis of my Nom townread (pre claims).

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Hm maybe being the third one is actually pretty scummy. Like trying to blend in.

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Actually that whole evolution on GW was pretty scummy. Maybe I was putting too much into that interaction which wasn’t really an interaction.

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It’s not.

VOTE: Locke

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See I don’t think we can policy NM really. Yesterday it would have been a more serious option. But too many scum.

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And I DO feel like it’s more of a policy lynch.

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But Locke does sort.

NM does not.

I’d be all for policy lynching but it’s not going to change NM’s behaviour so we really need to be focusing on catchup scum instead.

Pedit: Ninajd

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I’m sure I’ve seen multiple occasions where NM just quickvotes in Lylo and loses (I’ve never played with him mind). So I’m not convinced he does tbh.

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I'M sure I said this before but Eragon/Locke isn't a thing so ok maybe I'm wrong about Eragon.

Shame he disappeared though.

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But that makes NM scum in both worlds lol.

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Ok

VOTE: NM

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So you think Eragon/Locke is liklier than Locke/NM because Eragon was being ambiguous about Locke? What about Locke towards Eragon though?

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Yeah but if Eragon/Locke isn’t a team there’s no way NM isn’t scum unless I’m scum (spoiler: I’m not).

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So NM is the best lynch by POE if you’re townreading me and believe the jailing etc.

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I have to say I was going to go after Penguin today.

Eragon/Locke seems the most likely scumteam, although it’s Lylo so I’m not going to vote.

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Penguin Jailed you and Nom.

Now yes theoretically one of you could be scum (and I’d be leaning towards Nom) but I think it’s far more likely you’re both just town.

There is not a world in which you are scum, particularly given your resistance to NM yesterday.

Nom has better dissassociatives with GW than Locke.

I’m sorry for not sticking with you yesterday.

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Actually I want to check if Penguin crumbed his target in any way.

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Primary thing for me was the whole alt account thing with GW. It basically confirms you as town, and then URAP, then Nom, then Locke told GW to shut it.

Now Scum have daychat so I thought that scum would be unlikely to post it in the thread, but now I think Locke probably said it to try to blend in. I think town sees that two people said something so doesn’t mention it as it’s about to be sorted.

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Btw I didn’t find any Penguin crumbs. I don’t know who we think he might have jailed - possibly me, given that he was reading Locke with NM at the end so might not have thought it best to check Locke before? But obviously I’m biased here and if you can find a crumb I’d be happy.

Also neither Locke nor Eragon resisted the NM lynch.

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Like I think they were happy just to let it slide through.

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The only way Nom is scum is if she’s traitor IMO.

If you think the other scum is me then I’m sorry but we’re going to lose.

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Nom would you mind telling me who you think the scum team is? I think we all agree that Ank is obv town so you should tell first.

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Pray tell.

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The third possibility makes sense if she really believes Locke and Eragon cannot be partners. Then the only other option is you (similar to the NM lynch yesterday).

Pedit: Eragon you have clearly not read the thread. Please come back when you do.

And nom yes I’m getting paranoia about being pocketed.

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I was thinking he might be RB’er with only 2 scum to begin with.

Obviously I was wrong.

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Actually that post makes me think Eragon would have killed Penguin.

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Somehow I missed that you were posting in Twighlight. Nvm about that.

Pedit: Yes I know, and this is why I’m being hesitant because I no longer believe Eragon/Locke is impossible.

Pedit2: I would not have killed Penguin.

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That's false.

I defended NM over you/Locke

I said I still thought NM has the most chance of flipping town out of you three

I was defending NM slightly from Penguin's push

You conveniently disappeared while me/ank switched from Locke to NM and then started defending him in twilight, no? IF not, please point out where you did this.

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Yeah you're being shaded because I scumread you.

What's POG?

Me and Ank were resistant to NM at first but then I thought he had to be scum if you/Locke couldn't be a team. You and Locke both went away while that conclusion was reached.

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Eragon I understand that, and it's not just you but also Locke too.

I shade my scumreads?

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Yeah we have a different definition of shading.

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But you weren't resistant to him. Please show me where you were (BEFORE the hammer).

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You're quoting those posts in reverse order (like actually how did you do that?).

Your first post is more NM as town, but then the next two (chronologically) are giving yourself a very big option to jump to NM and IMO are not resistant at all. That feels like a scum progression to me.

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Eragon the alt stuff could happen if Ank is traitor actually. I hadn't considered that before.

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Traitor knows scum but scum don't know traitor.

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Oh I though 1332 was last post. Even so you're not exactly ethusiastic about your defense of him, no? How is that being resistant, in your view?

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OMG I actaully tihnk Ank/Locke could be a thing. Ank could really play the traitor thing quite well I think.

Pedit: Eragon I think you're town.

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And Ank pushes Locke yesterday because he knows Penguin and Nom are unlikely to shift and this is why he's willing to to a bit of busing. And he knows Locke will probably kill PP so isn't scared of being killed.

And the reason why Ank doesn't die earlier is because Locke knows the alt thing isn't entirely correct because there is a traitor.

Pedit: You are townspewing. Also I did only just realise about the traitor.

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Yeah but Eragon's latest posts have felt so townie.

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Locke doesn't assume that ank is the traitor, but knows that this is a distinct possibility. This is why Ank was NK'd.

Nom I don't think it's a case of summing town parts and scum parts though. It's like 'could I see Eragon reacting this well to my pressure if scum' and tbh the answer is no.

Pedit: Ank I'll get to this.

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Why would I call out my scumbuddy when you two are locked into each other and then backpedal rather than work with those tunnels?

Because there was a very strong tunnel by Penguin and Nom on NM and my argument with Eragon cooled down.

But Ank who do you want to lynch today?

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Why not Locke?

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Yeah but I think it would have been almost impossible to avoid a NM lynch yesterday, no matter how hard you tried.

We had to treated PP as conf town yesterday so I don't think there's a world where we don't eventually follow what he says.

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Why not Locke?

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So before this exchange who did you want to lynch? And why?

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Right but Ank you think the scumteam is Locke/Nom? Would you lynch Locke if both me and Eragon promised to lynch Nom tomorrow?

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How do you know this?

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I know traitor died if groupscum dead, which I why I want to know if you’ll lynch Locke under me/Eragon promising to vote for Nom tomorrow.

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Because that would disprove the traitor theory.

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Ok so my proposal is that we do that and game is won unless Eragon performed spectacularly well under pressure, which I don’t think happened.

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I need to go out tonight though so can we leave this till tomorrow?

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In normal guidelines that’s the case. I checked before I started asking Ank these questions.

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But by all means confirm it.

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Nom do you think there’s a world where Ank is groupscum?

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Yeah but the roles have to be normal guidelines though.

I am perfectly willing to wait for this plan until Chibi confirms though.

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And like I said I’m going out soon anyway.

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An odd-night disloyal RB is pretty weak tbh.

Loyal Neighbouriser and JK is reasonable, but I don’t think it necessarily means there’s no traitor.

Your reticence to this plan makes me think it’s you/locke though and 3 groupscum.

There is no way GW does that thing because of DayChat IMO.

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Yeah tbh I think it’s Locke/Nom.

But we do need to go through Locke first.

Pedit: Nom, I really don’t see how Ank can be scum with no traitor. Only other possibility is Eragon scum which is a minor possibility and the only way we don’t win, from all our points of view (unless you think I’m scum, but that idea has kind of been dispelled).

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If Ank is traitor then there isn’t a scum pushing, and Ank isn’t opposing it because he knows he’ll get lynched for it.

We’re having a discussion .

Fire ahead with any problems you have with it.

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Yeah Ank I changed my mind on that.

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Nom I just don’t think it’s possible that Ank is groupscum. Literally the only way you can win this as town is if you can convince me that it’s Eragon/Locke again, which I don’t think it the case.

Voting Ank is almost a scumclaim tbh.

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Right I’m doing this.

VOTE: Locke

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Ugh Eragon you did very well to make me think you were town.

Well played both of you.

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I think it's immoral to replace out fro strategic reasons. `just don't do that in the future, please? <3

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Yeah Ank I'm sorry. After you voted Locke I thought you were town but I though we would win anyway with Locke into Nom.

I think a lot of our problem was that we were lying because it seemed to make the most sense based on other people's standing, rather than whether that person was scummy in and off themselves.

We can definitely do it again .

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Yeah the Ank traitor theory was maybe a step too far .