Mini Normal 2066: Catloaves [Game Over!]

[nomnomnom]

Hello, first game on this site! I've played IRL and on a few different sites though, so don't panic too hard, everything I do is 100% rational.

Rationally not_mafia MUST be mafia! I got this case figured out!
VOTE: not_mafia

[nomnomnom]

I will NOT eat those catloaves. I promise.

[nomnomnom]

They do look delicious... but I will resist the temptation.

[nomnomnom]

Voting the only person you know?
Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive?

[nomnomnom]

Voting the only person you know?
Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive?

Maybe, why?

I don't know, just a question that went through my mind when reading your post, so I'm asking since I'm curious.

[nomnomnom]

I have a pet theory that your opening post is scum-indicative for very new players, but not necessarily anyone else.

When you say "very new player", what do you mean exactly? "New" can mean a lot of things. New account, new to this website, new to mafia? I'd like to know the element you base this on, exactly, because those are very different things.

[nomnomnom]

Voting the only person you know?
Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive?

Maybe, why?

I don't know, just a question that went through my mind when reading your post, so I'm asking since I'm curious.

Now that you've thought about it, do you think there is anything either bad or scum-indicative about voting for someone you know?

In general? I don't think so, it was more genuine curiosity. I haven't seen anyone do this on the other places I played unless it was like, a private joke or something.

[nomnomnom]

It's like "out of all the people you could vote you pick that one person you know! Why???"

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It's like "out of all the people you could vote you pick that one person you know! Why???"

Personally, I can understand it. Like, if I know someone, I might get a better read off of an early interaction with them than with someone I have no framework for.

What do you think about Locke having three votes on him?

alternatively if you have any thoughts on anything, I'd take those. It's early, and I'm just looking to get inside your head. It doesn't matter what about.

Well, I like your logic and questions so far. It feels genuine. I think what you're asking is good for town in general, and it's putting me at ease to have someone ask me what I think since it's my first game in here. I'm feeling strong town vibes from you.

As for the Locke vote, I feel like not_mafia getting on that BW with a joke feels odd, so I am keeping my vote on him. No thoughts about the other two since they feel much more random.

[nomnomnom]

Not over-reacted, over-acted.

Post 49 was a good continuation, why was post 50 needed?

Just making sure I was understood, might have not needed

I'm less happy about three votes on Locke and lots of one-vote vanity wagons.

I also get bad gut feels from the above.

Should I jump on locke with you?

My gut and experience tells me urap isn't this sheep-y as town.

VOTE: urap

is it really sheeping if he hasn't voted Locke? I feel you're jumping the gun here.

[nomnomnom]

Seriously, more wagons with more than 1 vote please, need to turn up the heat in here

Did you join my wagon simply to increase its size or do you have read-related reasons? You have reacted to my posts after voting me.

[nomnomnom]

Did you join my wagon simply to increase its size or do you have read-related reasons? You have reacted to my posts after voting me.

-Question’s whether vote has reasons
-Immedkately states that saw reasons, but tried to discredit them for non-reason.

I'm simply asking for clarity instead of assuming intent. Assuming intent has caused me a lot of problems and pointless arguments before, so I will not make that mistake on this site.

is it really sheeping if he hasn't voted Locke? I feel you're jumping the gun here.

Overly cautious about a non-wagon, tried to dissuade it (probs for town credit).

That was not dissuasion. I simply felt that accusing someone of sheeping when they haven't done so is odd.
Besides, even if that was the case, how is dissuading a vote giving me town credit? You clearly think I'm scum for it.

Voting the only person you know?
Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive?

Pointless question with some fluff added on from nervous-scum.

Question was a bit pointless and more curiosity, but I don't see the nervous part?

Overall I feel like you gut-read me as scum but that you're trying to find reasons for it. It feels incredibly forced.

[nomnomnom]

I feel something is off with the way urap and roster interact. Like, way off. I don't like this.

[nomnomnom]

I can't exactly put it into words but like, having someone be like

"This person is scum here are the three posts that prove it pls lynch right now pls pls pls" a hundred posts in the game then have someone say
"VERY BOLD AND BRAVE! LET'S LYNCH THEM RIGHT NOW EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE BEST PLAY IN MY MIND!"

is just weird. I literally can't describe it any other way than exaggerating the posts, but yeah, I feel something's wrong in there.

[nomnomnom]

It's not really about pushing reads, BWs, lynches and whatnot, it's the way they talk specifically rather than what's being said that struck me as ultra weird.

[nomnomnom]

Should probably have quoted there lol, was talking to PP.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: insomnia

I think this is a good vote.

You said n_m and lovebird were concerning you a few post backs, why are you voting insomnia over these two people?

[nomnomnom]

Okay I wanna lay down my thoughts rn because a lot is going through my head after a quick rereading.

- urap has felt a lot less like town these last messages. Not sure what that would say about roster though.
- Really haven't liked Alac's messages on second read, especially that interaction with PP. Rubs me the wrong way.
- I honestly can't read PP. He's fairly non-committal and asks a lot of questions, but I'm not confident on placing my final thoughts on him just yet.
- I like Locke after hearing him today.

I'm hesitating between an urap and insomnia vote, right now.

[nomnomnom]

Alac, do you appear every time someone mentions your name or how does it work? Weird timing

[nomnomnom]

Adding Alac to that list of "people I would feel good voting right now".

[nomnomnom]

Person2 town. Penguin town. Chicken is town.

Easy game

Who should I vote?

These two posts feel HORRIBLE back to back.

[nomnomnom]

I'll be going with this.
VOTE: urap

[nomnomnom]

Wanted to make this vote yesterday already. Mostly explained in this post.

Okay I wanna lay down my thoughts rn because a lot is going through my head after a quick rereading.

- urap has felt a lot less like town these last messages. Not sure what that would say about roster though.
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I'm hesitating between an urap and insomnia vote, right now.

Wanted to make that choice yesterday but Alac and PP started arguing for quite some time, so yeah.
I have more faith in an urap vote than a vote in you.

[nomnomnom]

I'd like to note how frustrating it is to play with someone like n_m, that doesn't show up for most of the early discussions and the one time he does it's for a bad joke on something random.

[nomnomnom]

That's honestly stupid.

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I’d also say that nom was your counter wagon, not Locke, so it’s interesting you went on Locke.

I agree with this, that's definitely how I perceived things as well. Locke felt more like a temporary/weak/transitional wagon to me (hope that makes sense lol).

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Now Entering: Confirmation Bias Land.

Population: rosterfoster.

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I mean, in my mind pocketing doesn't equate to calling someone scum, so I'd have to say no.

I don't know what his deal is with the locke vote exactly. Could be a lot of things and I'm not willing to take a guess right now.

[nomnomnom]

???

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Does this happen often around here or

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I think insomnia blew up way too quickly.

My thoughts precisely. That was REALLY sudden, like almost no escalation at all.
I'm gonna ask again: is this type of thing common on this site? Like, replacing out like that, I mean.

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There's something really depressing about a move akin to a ragequit assigned to a player's gambit. Like jesus christ...

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UNVOTE: PenguinPower

I will wait for Eragon to catch up and to let my thoughts settle before voting again!

What has Eragon to do with your PP read/vote? I'm confused by your unvote here.

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What is that supposed to mean? I thought you read PP as scum?

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What is that supposed to mean? I thought you read PP as scum?

As a counter question, would you say my PenguinPower vote helped move the game forward?

That's not the point of my question. You are unvoting your scum read because of an element that doesn't and shouldn't even affect your scum read.
Besides, how does your unvote "help move the game forward" more than your PP vote?

[nomnomnom]

Screw this.
VOTE: Alac

[nomnomnom]

Because I'm fairly confident she's scum. She was already in my reads list but that unvote screws with my mind too much.

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That timing on her not answering and vanishing all of a sudden is also something that makes me confident about this. I honestly don't care if this is a new wagon. She's scum.

[nomnomnom]

nom^3? You sure this is your first game onsite?

Yup! Most of my online mafia experience is from chat mafia. Second time playing on a forum!

[nomnomnom]

Do I really sound that experienced?

[nomnomnom]

I'm curious about why you think that but I think this isn't game related and I don't wanna clog the discussion with this stuff, so yeah

[nomnomnom]

Back tomorrow...night.

Same here, way too tired and I was waiting for an Alac response mostly, but that didn't happen. Will give my thoughts on all of this tomorrow.

[nomnomnom]

Reminder that Insomnia is scum.

Re-reading the new posts and giving my response but this caught my attention so I guess I'm asking this first:
Thoughts about Eragon? Insomnia is not here anymore so I don't know why you're mentioning him, feels weird. Then again I'm not used to people replacing out on a whim like that.

[nomnomnom]

It's like "out of all the people you could vote you pick that one person you know! Why???"

Personally, I can understand it. Like, if I know someone, I might get a better read off of an early interaction with them than with someone I have no framework for.

What do you think about Locke having three votes on him?

alternatively if you have any thoughts on anything, I'd take those. It's early, and I'm just looking to get inside your head. It doesn't matter what about.

Well, I like your logic and questions so far. It feels genuine. I think what you're asking is good for town in general, and it's putting me at ease to have someone ask me what I think since it's my first game in here. I'm feeling strong town vibes from you.

As for the Locke vote, I feel like not_mafia getting on that BW with a joke feels odd, so I am keeping my vote on him. No thoughts about the other two since they feel much more random.

why does it feel odd to hop on a wagon with a joke on page 1?

I don't know, it popped out at the time as something strange at the time? I'm used to wagons behind serious stuff on other sites, not jokes.

I feel something is off with the way urap and roster interact. Like, way off. I don't like this.

can you expand on this?

Odd question since you quoted just after that the answer I gave to PP when he asked me the same question, and you even agreed with my point somewhat, so...

Not liking the overall tone of this catch-up so far, I want to see how his reads develop from this before making any conclusions though.

[nomnomnom]

Enigmas are scum. Alacrity remains an enigma.

VOTE: Alacrity

Urap does have a point: strange to vote this when you gave intent on Insom.

That timing on her not answering and vanishing all of a sudden is also something that makes me confident about this. I honestly don't care if this is a new wagon. She's scum.

I mean, this is not a good reason. Guessing why people start/stop posting is super unreliable. So if it wasn't the unvote, then? And if it was the unvote, then - again - no thank you

It's the mix of not liking her first messages, unvote and timing on the vanish.
Also honestly I come from a chat mafia background. Timing is basis of a lot of my reads because of this, it's just common sense to me.

oh wait
were you serious about wanting nom lynched like, now.

I might have gone along with it if it had actually happened just because of the mood I was in that day, but it wasn't a thing that was going to happen, and I understood that. I made a post about this I'm sure you'll come across.

I could go for lynching nom tonight, tho

I seriously dislike the lack of commitment in that answer, especially given the context of you eventually switching your vote to Insom away from me.
Did you want to lynch me when roster asked you so? Yes or no? Choose one.

this is a scummy wagon

add milkcartonkid to the list of people who are better lynches than this

How is milk a better lynch? This is the first time you mention the name, even.

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Finishing the answers. 2 last pages probably contain the most important things in this thread going forward, so I'll be bookmarking them for references.

What is that supposed to mean? I thought you read PP as scum?

As a counter question, would you say my PenguinPower vote helped move the game forward?

[...]how does your unvote "help move the game forward" more than your PP vote?

[...]
No, it doesn't. However, there is one thing that it does do. It shows that I'm less willing to want PenguinPower lynched at the moment!

That bit was not present in your unvote post or the following ones, why did you omit this?

I wouldn't say it was a bad wagon. It actually makes me pretty sure it's led by town and followed up with by scum. Now even if I get lynched, it still is a net benefit to town. =)

What makes you think this wagon is led by town, if anything this feels like scum making use of the replace out to get votes of their partner

This post confuses me. Conspiracy theory levels right there.

I do not believe it was meant to be a slam dunk case, I believe it was meant to be a pressure wagon more than a wagon meant to result in a lynch. That is why I believe it is likely that the later votes are the scum votes if there are any here!

Uuuuh no. I want you lynched. Can't speak for the others.

One thing I did want to note is that eragon mentions nom A LOT in their catch up. I feel like that's significant, but I could have shared glasses on rn. Overall wasn't impressed with eragon catch up.

I think this is normal considering I was the center of discussion and a wagon for a while. I don't see how that's odd.

[nomnomnom]

Sharing my reads so far, from scummiest to obvtown. This is more for my own clarity of mind though

Likely-scum list

1. Alacrity: Already explained. I want you lynched today.
2. Lovebird: Lots of townreads and asking for someone to vote is by experience something scums do. Scumbird.

??? list

3. Eragon: Insomnia was a scumlean on my list, but he replaced out, so I guess we're here with you
4. urap: Honestly my read on you has already changed a few times this game so I'm not comfortable giving definitive thoughts on you. I feel there's definitely something there, though.
5. Not_Mafia: I hate how you play, but I'd be lying if I said I had a strong conviction on your alignment.
6. PenguinPower: If I had to give you an alignment it would be "neutral neutral" for how non-committed everything you do is. Biggest ??? in my mind so you earn the middle spot.
7. GrandWazoo: Saw nothing that attracted my attention, aside what urap underlined about you.
8. themilkcartonkid: You don't post often, no reasons to think you're scum right now. None to think you're town either, though, so heh.

Likely-town list

9. rosterfoster: In my experience, people that hardcore tunnel tend to be town. Hope you open to other to what people are saying, though, you're deep in the bias.
10. Locke113: Towniest player in this game. Sensible in what he does. Seems to have an internal logic. I like it.

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This post confuses me. Conspiracy theory levels right there.

Well what else can I say but it ain't paranoia if they're really out to get you. Also its not like its that out there of a thought process, replace outs can stall the progress on a wagon on that slot for multiple reasons. Firstly, people might respond like urap and feel this is a alignment indicative move and find it townie. Secondly, with the player now gone they can no longer shoot themselves in the foot by saying more incriminating things and their replacement has to be given a certain amount of leeway at first because they have to catch up. This means all the stuff to point out the person is scum has already been said and the more time that people on the wagon have to wait, the more likely they are to doubt whether this stuff is actually scummy at all or whether they were just imagining shit.

This serves as a perfect opportunity for a scum partner to either A. Prepare to bus the living fuck out of their partner, possibly going so far as hammering their partner before their replacement even catches up or B. Start a completely new wagon/start pushing a much smaller wagon to draw attention away from their scum partner. It's not really conspiracy theory levels, at least not on the level of reptilians, which are totally real

Okay so if I understand correctly, you think this is the case because I started a new wagon just after Eragon coming in the game, right?
I understand the logic but from my perspective I just started a wagon because Alacrity did someone extremely scummy on top of the pile of weird stuff she did earlier on. That's all. You're reading too much into it.
I had no idea replacing out was so common it had a meta here, like what the hell is this

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something* I'm losing my english here

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@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

[nomnomnom]

@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

Yes, you aren't the only one I'm looking at funny in regards to this wagon

I'm curious, care to detail? I want to know your thoughts on the Alac wagon as a whole.

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@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

Yes, you aren't the only one I'm looking at funny in regards to this wagon

I'm curious, care to detail? I want to know your thoughts on the Alac wagon as a whole.

Went into it a bit in 269 though I don't think I mentioned that the speed of the wagon is also alarming to me, it manifested from no votes on alacrity to L-2 within the space of 24 hours on grounds that are shaky at best in my opinion. Ironically while you are my strongest scumread apart from insomnia/eragon, your creation of the wagon feels more genuine than the rest joining who either gave no reason(n_m) or very little(PP,GW). Also if I'm wrong and this ain't a scum driven wagon and alacrity is scum, I feel that would reverse my read on you

About Alacrity herself, you said in 266 that she was a scumlean for you. Do you still think that? I think I need this to understand your whole mindset here.

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About Alacrity herself, you said in 266 that she was a scumlean for you. Do you still think that? I think I need this to understand your whole mindset here.

She is certainly still a possibility, and ironically I feel that if she does get hammered, it will help me solidify my reads on most of the active players in this game so far, though since the wagon gives the feeling of being scum-driven and I don't see a scum motivation to bus their partner when their partner wasn't even being voted by anyone or was only be voted by 1/2 people, I currently feel she's more likely to flip town. And I don't like the idea of letting a townie get lynched just to help my reads/

Alright, I think I see your viewpoint clearly now. Thanks!

[nomnomnom]

Text... text... I'm drowning in text...

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nomnomnom: What do you currently think of the rest of the players on your wagon relative to the wagon itself? It's notable that most of the off-wagon players that have commented on the wagon since it sprung up has indicated that they believe scum are somewhere on the wagon. I also personally believe that this is quite interesting when compared to the other members of the wagon. PenguinPower ignored the Grandwazoo vote, Grandwazoo responded to the scumreads and concerns they gathered from the vote, and not_mafia, well, he doesn't talk very much. =)

Honestly? I have no clue. These three players are on my ??? list for a reason.
Like, sure, some people proposed that for example GW had little reasons to jump on this, but at the same time, why would scum jump on this brand new wagon? Just to cause their partner unnecessary trouble? It makes no sense to me.

To me this wagon needs to age more, otherwise I'm not comfortable saying who is town or scum on this wagon.

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Like, sure, some people proposed that for example GW had little reasons to jump on this, but at the same time, why would scum jump on this brand new wagon?

I wonder indeed, maybe someone, probably a very intelligent

and

very handsome fellow, has already suggested a reason for such behaviour?

hahaha
I guess you're right though, that's a possibility. But even if we go with that theory, you could argue that the three people joining my Alacrity wagon could have that intention, so it does not really solve my problem here.

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@Alacrity 333 feels like you are trying to force my hand way too hard. I'm already aware this game has a lot of question marks all over, and that those "should be a red flag". This is why I'm not forcing my judgement on this. I need time.

I guess you're right though, that's a possibility. But even if we go with that theory, you could argue that the three people joining my Alacrity wagon could have that intention, so it does not really solve my problem here.

If you're not scum then I would say scum is either more likely to be found in one of PP and GW than n_m. n_m doesn't seem active enough to fit the bill for the kind of scum to pull that sort of trick

You are talking about a player that has not said a single game-relevant thing since the beginning. That's honestly mind boggling you'd say something like this.
And if you say "this is how he plays", you are highlighting exactly why he drives me insane

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I would vote n_m for being

that guy

but policy-lynches never end well in my experience. I'm not going there, even if I really want to.

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Maybe not for you, but for me it would 100% be a policy-lynch given I do not know the guy. So I'm not going there.

[nomnomnom]

...why did I laugh at that

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I have the feeling GW has struck a nerve.

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By keeping your main a secret you are denying us the chance to compare your present play with your town/scum meta. A town player would welcome such scrutiny.

Transparency is only counter-productive to scum.

@Nom

Now this, this right here is conspiracy theory levels

I wouldn't say it's conspiracy theory levels, I'd say it's more unnecessary invasive questioning.
Like, I can think of a lot of reasons why you would want to start an alt or in general start a new account and remain secret, that are not related to the game at all. Clearly she does not want to be recognized, so why press the issue for this long?

Like honestly I can't say if he's being invasive because he MUST know who Alacrity are so he will press the issue ad infinitum, or if there's something more to it.

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Either way I'd suggest to drop it because it's stupid and extremely rude on top of that

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You can't enter the game proudly declaring your alt, daring ppl to guess who it is, then complain because someone actually wants to know.

That's not what happened. Alacrity mentioned it was an alt because urap asked her that.

Good morning! I look forward to playing with all of you today. =)

VOTE: insomnia

@alacrity Are you an alt? what kind of mafia experience do you have?

[/vote]Alacrity[/vote]

We have played before, actually! =)

The following posts also explain why the alt was made and that she didn't want to be recognized, urap dropped the issue fairly quickly afterwards.

We have played before, actually! =)

neat

also bleh

because I have a pet theory that your opening post is scum-indicative for very new players, but not necessarily anyone else.

My first post is there to help me get the footing of how Alacrity talks. I need that, otherwise I get found out too fast.

Is this enough to explain it?

Ah, I actually didn't need explanation outside of knowing this wasn't your first game.

I only have data to signify that it is significant for very new players.

I can't be arsed to try and guess mains, but pm me later if we have a good game? ;P

Feel free to! I want an alt that is not likely to be linked back to me, so knowing what to avoid doing will help.

There was nothing from Alacrity that "dared people to guess her main". The only person that did this is PP and it was jokingly.

Can I guess?

I'll try not to be rude by asking this, but what's your problem, exactly?

[nomnomnom]

Hm...

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Well, here's the thing.

GW does seem like kind of a prick and this whole thing about announcing intent on Eragon's slot yet voting Alacrity afterwards is definitely scummy.

But at the same time, urap jumping on this wagon is an enormous alarm sign to me, especially with the circumstances of that vote. I can't help but feel urap is trying to deflect the Alacrity wagon.

I'm conflicted here.

[nomnomnom]

I don't get what you're trying to say here.

[nomnomnom]

Okay, but to me it feels more like ever since the Alacrity wagon started, you've been starting and jumping on wagons to see if they stick. First you chose milkcartonkid, without any mention of the guy beforehand, and that time period was the only one where he started talking more often.

I think that seeing that it didn't stick, you took a look at who else was talking, and you saw GW being a prick with this "I WANT TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE" business and you jumped on that wagon. I feel this is not genuine with the whole case making that followed afterwards. It feels disconnected from my perspective.

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I'm actually starting to believe you are scum partners with Alacrity. This whole game gives me that effect.

[nomnomnom]

No... This is wrong. The timing on all this is so wrong. This feels so disingenuous.
Jesus christ why are you so scummy sounding

[nomnomnom]

Well, here's the thing.

GW does seem like kind of a prick and this whole thing about announcing intent on Eragon's slot yet voting Alacrity afterwards is definitely scummy.

But at the same time, urap jumping on this wagon is an enormous alarm sign to me, especially with the circumstances of that vote. I can't help but feel urap is trying to deflect the Alacrity wagon.

I'm conflicted here.

Nom, this post hurts me deeply...when I say the same thing about the Alac wagon, I'm spinning conspiracy theories, then you turn around and use the same reasoning on a different wagon. I see how it is...

Is it really a conspiracy when he admits to doing it?

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Also the fact that people are pushing this vote to L-1 using something that can be considered invasive at best, instead of the other things that were brought up and that to me are way scummier should be an alarm bell to anyone on this vote.

[nomnomnom]

That was not hammer, N_M was already on the wagon lol

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VOTE: Grand Wazoo

VOTE: Grand Wazoo

What are you trying to do exactly?

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Also worth noting that Alacrity did the exact same thing as N_M. Unsure if this means anything?

Enigmas are scum. Alacrity remains an enigma.

VOTE: Alacrity

Guys! I found the scum vote on the wagon!

VOTE: GrandWazoo

VOTE: GrandWazoo

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VOTE: Grand Wazoo

VOTE: Grand Wazoo

What are you trying to do exactly?

Your mum

Your only contribution to this game was attempting to confuse players on a hammer count.
I'll be sure to avoid playing with you in the future

[nomnomnom]

Okay, NM is probably town.

Excuse me?

[nomnomnom]

Okay, NM is probably town.

Excuse me?

So, I don't believe that NM didn't know where his vote was, so I think he knew it was a fake hammer.

Is that scummy or townie?

Someone who plays like NM is probably going to get scum read for it, and is very unlikely to get town read for it since he doesn't explain his actions, so I don't see a scum motivation.

But town!NM fake hammering is doing so for reactions - which you exposing him so quickly stopped dead in its tracks. =/

This isn't a new concept. I've seen it done/have done it in at least a couple of games if you want to see.

It's probably town!nm tho =)

tl;dr "Someone who never says anything except mom jokes just did something extremely trollish and anti-town. Must be town lol!"

VOTE: urap

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how is it anti-town, tho?

let's say you don't blow up his spot, and GW thinks he's hammered. Then when he spews his role, it's basically a free cop check?

to say nothing of ancillary reactions.

It's anti-town because it's obfuscation. I don't care what the reasoning is, trying to make people believe something happened when it didn't is anti-town in my book.

Plus your reasoning is stupid because making someone claim when they actually don't have to is painting a target on someone's back. And why that would have happened in this case is because some moron with a cow gif thought it would be funny.

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how is it anti-town, tho?

let's say you don't blow up his spot, and GW thinks he's hammered. Then when he spews his role, it's basically a free cop check?

to say nothing of ancillary reactions.

It's anti-town because it's obfuscation. I don't care what the reasoning is, trying to make people believe something happened when it didn't is anti-town in my book.

Plus your reasoning is stupid because making someone claim when they actually don't have to is painting a target on someone's back. And why that would have happened in this case is because some moron with a cow gif thought it would be funny.

There are lots of reasons to fake things, they're called gambits. Also dont insult people

Sorry, I'm just irritated by how this guy plays overall. Like, jesus christ. Why are you joining games if it's to play like this?

Also don't make me believe a "gambit" from someone that literally hasn't said anything during the game is a good thing.

[nomnomnom]

Put your bongs away everyone, it's the fun police

Ah yes. Fun. Not contributing, not talking, mom jokes and """""gambits""""" during the whole game. Fun.
Oh I forgot. This is how you play apparently, so it makes it okay

[nomnomnom]

Dont misrepresents me, I made no judgments about the merit of this gambit

Pedit. Scum could try to guess cop

Comment was more directed to urap, sorry.

[nomnomnom]

Oh I forgot. This is how you play apparently, so it makes it okay

If you're "not going there even if you want to" why keep responding to him?

Honestly I'm extremely frustrated right now. Sorry, I'm the emotional type and this kind of thing really pisses me off and it's a big reason why I avoid chat mafia nowadays. I'll just try and calm down.

Comment was more directed to urap, sorry.

I'm sorry - I'm not sure what comment was directed to me, so if you're waiting on a question please repost it

This bit, I know you didn't mention a gambit but I wrote this with you in mind:

Also don't make me believe a "gambit" from someone that literally hasn't said anything during the game is a good thing.

[nomnomnom]

URAP isn't wrong. N_M got mad at me last time I got in the way of his gambit - pretty sure he was town in that game.

You can feel his anger from here.

[nomnomnom]

Send help.

[nomnomnom]

A ffs...from an easy read to...

Elsa.

I want to personally let you know I laughed uncontrollably reading this. I'm still laughing. Please help...

[nomnomnom]

A ffs...from an easy read to...

Elsa.

I want to personally let you know I laughed uncontrollably reading this. I'm still laughing. Please help...

Hey, I wasn't sure I was gonna replace in until I saw the Elsa GIF. Blame NotMaf if I'm scum and kick all your asses.

Well I did read the bird as scum so... I'll make sure the scumbird wasn't replaced by a scumcess

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: ur a person 2 I dont see how trying to pinpoint n-m as town here helps and I also super doubt that THAT helped you sort him. Seems tmi. Plus, a major deescalation that seemed very appreciative of being called town.

I would like to note that this post likely comes from scum!

His point makes sense and I think the same. How is that scummy?

[nomnomnom]

I'm caught up!

u r a person 2, nomnomnom, and Not_Mafia are strong townreads.
rosterfoster is not as strong a town read as they used to be, but I still believe they are probably town!
Locke113 and Insomnia, now Eragon, are probably town, but are less confident townreads as well.

GrandWazoo and themilkcartonkid are both likely scum slots, and currently that would mean that one of Elsa Jay and PenguinPower are likely the third. =)

As an aside, welcome to the game Elsa Jay! It's nice to meet you!

@Locke you're the conspiracy expert here, at what point is my theory that urap and alacrity are scum partners not a conspiracy theory anymore?
Because this right here is pretty damn convincing to me.

[nomnomnom]

Speaking of setup theory and all that:

@Mod does mafia have daychat or not? I was checking the wiki earlier and it's said there that this kind of thing is mentioned in the ruleset? Just wanna make sure.

[nomnomnom]

Speaking of setup theory and all that:

@Mod does mafia have daychat or not? I was checking the wiki earlier and it's said there that this kind of thing is mentioned in the ruleset? Just wanna make sure.

If it's not announced, there has to be an Encryptor.

Ah, thanks! I wasn't sure how that worked

[nomnomnom]

Speaking of setup theory and all that:

@Mod does mafia have daychat or not? I was checking the wiki earlier and it's said there that this kind of thing is mentioned in the ruleset? Just wanna make sure.

also I want to read this as scum trying to dumb-tell so badly but it probably is just town

I've never played here and daychat/encryptor isn't a thing in chat mafia, so I wanted clarification.

[nomnomnom]

Hm, alright.

[nomnomnom]

This really reinforces my belief that Urap and Alacrity are scumpartners. Pretty sure of it now.

[nomnomnom]

This really reinforces my belief that Urap and Alacrity are scumpartners. Pretty sure of it now.

What is the reasoning for this?

It's pretty clear to me that you guys are paired, or at least somewhat constantly acting with the same mindset.

To me this is heightened by your very first exchange on this thread. I've re-read the thread multiple times and what I came to realize is that Urap's vote is the first one that wasn't random, on a normally-random and memey stage of the game.

Good morning! I look forward to playing with all of you today. =)

VOTE: insomnia

@alacrity Are you an alt? what kind of mafia experience do you have?

[/vote]Alacrity[/vote]

We have played before, actually! =)

neat

also bleh

because I have a pet theory that your opening post is scum-indicative for very new players, but not necessarily anyone else.

My first post is there to help me get the footing of how Alacrity talks. I need that, otherwise I get found out too fast.

Is this enough to explain it?

Ah, I actually didn't need explanation outside of knowing this wasn't your first game.

I only have data to signify that it is significant for very new players.

I can't be arsed to try and guess mains, but pm me later if we have a good game? ;P

On retrospective, this feels like a planned setup to justify this vote. At the time I started having suspicions on you both being scum, it was more of an uncertainty, but with daychat in mind, I feel this is not a coincidence.

Hello, first game on this site! I've played IRL and on a few different sites though, so don't panic too hard, everything I do is 100% rational.

Rationally not_mafia MUST be mafia! I got this case figured out!
VOTE: not_mafia

This is probably scum-indicative, tho, for the same tell

VOTE: NomNomNom

I strongly believe that because upon looking at the game again, this vote lasted quite some time and it resulted in a lengthy wagon, so it's something that had a lot of impact in the end. This is why it matters. I feel this was done to direct a good vote on someone. This is also accentuated with this post townreading roster for wanting an early lynch on me, not to mention Urap being okay with an early lynch on me. On day 1. With an entire week left.

I’ve played with town URAP before. Tone was similar.

Can we all just lynch nomnom?

okay this is the only one that's actually bold and strong on its own, but the whole iso,

-slapping down an rvs vote
-reaffirming that vote and calling for a lynch by post 80ish
-and then slapping down three reasons (whether you agree with them or not)

I consider it bold

I mean, I don't think lynching right now is necessarily the

best

play

But I'm game to see nom hammered right now, yeah.

On top of that, you and urap have been constantly town reading each other and as I already said, Urap went to great lengths to deflect this lynch on you with two rapid succession votes and trying to see which one would stick, which he doesn't even deny doing.

I feel a strong link between you. And to me that link is "scum partners".

[nomnomnom]

Nom, the majority of that case is very obvious stuff. Plus there is the problem that you have been calling us partners for about half the game now. Since I have been in danger of being lynched for a good chunk of time during the time you were suspicious of us being partners, does it not sound strange that this behavior would continue throughout it?

When for the whole game, your behaviors are exactly the same, something is wrong.
Like, you even deflected on the same GW wagon and urap's reason for doing so was something that can't be considered scum-indicative, considering the other scummy things that envelop GW's case.
This isn't normal. At all.

[nomnomnom]

Hell I also just realized that you both scumread milkcartonkid too. Like what is this lol

[nomnomnom]

Melding in reads and stances is not exactly a trait that is commonly shared by scum partners on day one, nom, especially when it continues after attention is being brought to it.

If we are the only two scum in the game, that is a bit suicidal, don't you think? We both have also caged ourselves in by townreading you for this attack despite you not backing off from it.

Normally I would agree with you, but the fact that none of you looked at this and said "huh, that IS strange" is also worrying me.
I've seen scums do all sorts of things, really. I don't come playing mafia games with pre-conceived notions of "dangerous", "risky" and "logical" anymore.

For now, I'll stay with this theory. I'll listen my instinct on this one.

[nomnomnom]

This is also the second time in the span of a few posts that you mention the number of scums in this game.

[nomnomnom]

You are tunneled, nom.

Nah, I think I'm onto something, and I want to get to the bottom of it.

[nomnomnom]

Will you trust my reads once I flip, nom?

If you flip town then I'm kind of forced to reconsider everything, aren't I?

[nomnomnom]

Al sred me after urap did, and I think they were following urap, but didnt realize that urap dropped that read

That's not actually true. Alacrity had suspicions on you as early as 205 so I think assuming Alacrity copied urap's vote cannot be true.

I think insomnia blew up way too quickly. I super think that was scummy. But I think we should see the replacement first. Because it could be just another thing altogether. A replacement gives us more info and it could be a strong town player if insomnia was town. To be clear, I do want to lynch them, but not yet

This post is giving me a lot of nervous scum pings!

[nomnomnom]

Huh... I still want this to be true because it's what it feels like right now. But I can't argue against this without confbias alarms going off. So UNVOTE:

Conflicted feelings about this post, honestly

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

These votes really suck, for real.

[nomnomnom]

It's like you guys haven't bothered to read how the game develops and decided to pick the biggest wagon to jump on.

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

Send help.

[nomnomnom]

I will not hammer a scum wagon.

[nomnomnom]

The fact you haven't realized that this wagon must have scum on it is actually really depressing, honestly.
The fact that roster left that wagon as soon as that fact became obvious is also worrying, timing and all that.

[nomnomnom]

I will not hammer a scum wagon.

You don't want to hammer scum?

Scum driven, you fool!

[nomnomnom]

Which one is the scum driving it, you moron!

I am currently voting them, you hoser!

Also, I sent help and it was not appreciated or acknowledged. You, madam, are rude with a capital "r."

GASP!
Friendship with penguin is over. Princess is my new friend.

[nomnomnom]

I mean, GW is still not a townread for me but he was pushed at L-1 with 3 people using a really weak reason to do so, when he actually has some scummy things in his ISO, which makes me think scum is/was on this wagon.

GW is not the vote today for that reason alone.

[nomnomnom]

in b4 NM lolhammers

This is still a lazy ass wagon

He's already on it. Why do you think me and the Pengu brought it too L-1?

Obviously to terrorize NotMaf on his helplessness.

Die cow die.

[nomnomnom]

GW, what are your reads at this point?

I agree that the flow of this game feels odd, but the argument that it means this wagon must be scum driven because I'm on it is not compelling fmpov (lol)

If not GW, I think I want Eragon, Jay, or Locke today

It's not just because of you being on it, it's because multiple people pushed this wagon to L-1 with weak reasons, including you. You're ignoring the wider issue here.
Also Locke is a terrible vote choice.

[nomnomnom]

If you are not scum Urap, then my only other theory is Roster and Jay being scum here. I'd rather have those lynched than GW.

[nomnomnom]

I will never forget...

[nomnomnom]

If it wasn't for wagon analytics I'd let you have that.

Thinking about something?

[nomnomnom]

If it wasn't for wagon analytics I'd let you have that.

Thinking about something?

Yes. As I said previously, D1 is the best info to look back on once you get to later days.

What do you think about this right now? As in, Elsa putting this to L-1.

[nomnomnom]

How did this game die out of nowhere honestly

[nomnomnom]

Hi guys!

I am still following along, I just have had very little to say!

lol

VOTE: Alacrity

[nomnomnom]

Sick.

[nomnomnom]

I will do Alacrity but not Locke.

Never take that out of context.

[nomnomnom]

I only have one big question for you, Eragon.

Considering Roster and GW are both in your scum leans list, and that Roster pushed GW to L-1 with a weak reason then shortly after switched to urap, how does that affect your reads?

[nomnomnom]

I will vote with Elsa over anyone else.

I won’t vote Eragon.

Betrayed!


Also there is no way I'm voting either of those.

[nomnomnom]

It's almost like Eragon did stuff between those two posts that affected my read on the slot...

I was trying to be funny, you ruined it

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: GrandWazoo

He (Eragon) correctly null-read me for my actions today. So I am fine with the demise of the Wazoo of Grand proportions.

Imma shoot Roster tonight btw.

lol, speaking of the devil

I didn't know "correctly reading you" was a free pass to avoiding your wrath.

[nomnomnom]

I havent fully thought through any one of these but alacrity or roster seem the best to me. Thoughts anyone?

This is basically what I'm going with.

70% success rate.

If you could take a plane for free but it had a 30% to explode mid-air would you take it

[nomnomnom]

eragon was an easy wagon target, right? He's basically not here. so i placed a vote, and hey look what happened

this exchange did not look good imo

Spoiler:

gw still scummy, btw

but eragon reps in to a quiet game and is like, ok this works for me. doesn't sit right

Why doesn't it sit right with you? Do you have experience playing with eragon? Or is this a non-meta based feeling?

Also sorry for the lack of activity everybody, was busy finishing off DMC5 then this game kinda just slipped my mind

gw still scummy, btw

but eragon reps in to a quiet game and is like, ok this works for me. doesn't sit right

Why doesn't it sit right with you? Do you have experience playing with eragon? Or is this a non-meta based feeling?

Also sorry for the lack of activity everybody, was busy finishing off DMC5 then this game kinda just slipped my mind

I have played with eragon, but it's not a meta-read. I've never seen eragon rep into a game. But when i rep in I look to contribute and solve and I'm just not seeing that. It's killed my town read on insomnia as well

Well then I'm fine with helping start the Insomnia/Eragon wagon back up again, after all my read on GW is mainly based off the possibility of him being Insomnia's scum partner so why not find out whether Insomnia/Eragon is scum first

VOTE: Eragon

Seriously, the fuck? "Oh I'm actually townreading the slot whose wagon I started up again" and "they weren't here so they were an easy target", how is this not pinging anyone?

Do you believe my theory yet or is it still conspiracy

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: GrandWazoo

He (Eragon) correctly null-read me for my actions today. So I am fine with the demise of the Wazoo of Grand proportions.

Imma shoot Roster tonight btw.

lol, speaking of the devil

I didn't know "correctly reading you" was a free pass to avoiding your wrath.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Okay so as much as I dislike his way of playing I ACTUALLY like this vote here. Extremely meaningful even if it doesn't consolidate wagons. I'll give credit where it's due

[nomnomnom]

How is it meaningful?

well I don't know, it kinda speaks to me, a vote is worth more than a thousand words right?

Like he's voting Elsa and specifically quoting people as a way to express his thoughts. His other votes didn't make much sense to me but this one REALLY does. That's how I see it.

[nomnomnom]

I think it's clear they're just doing it to be able to jump on a wagon

Yes, NotMaf started a new wagon, in order to jump onto a wagon, when he could have voted on any other wagon to fulfill that goal

Chibi shouldn't have titled this game "Catloaves" but "Conspiracy Theories".

[nomnomnom]

We actually only have one day left, we really should get moving.

[nomnomnom]

Oh wait, I thought it worked differently hahaha

God I'm stupid sometimes...

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Not_mafia

We should actually just Lynch this.

Like I know what he's doing is NAI but I can't stand it.

So let me get this straight, when I'm like "SCREW THIS COW" earlier on because he wasn't contributing, everyone is shrugging and everything but once he starts doing something reasonable people say stuff like this?
What??

[nomnomnom]

Good morning everyone! I have a new reads list for you!

nomnomnom is town!
u r a person 2 is town!
Not_Mafia is town!
Eragon is probably town!
rosterfoster is slightly town!
PenguinPower is slightly town!
Elsa Jay is null!
Locke113 is slightly scum!
GrandWazoo is scum!
themilkcartonkid is scum!

Can we really consider it new when it's 95% the same as your previous one, the one you sent 4 days ago in 473? Like the only difference here is that you're pushing some null reads with a lot of "probably" and "slightly". Like what's the point of your post? I don't even understand why you sort null reads the way you do.

[nomnomnom]

And, yes, I only said "meaningful" because I was being snarky towards you. I don't use that word.

So much passive-aggressiveness coming from a single penguin

[nomnomnom]

Let's not.

[nomnomnom]

Why are you so certain they are town?

It's not that I think they're town, it's that I think the wagon is scum driven/has scum on it. Big difference.

[nomnomnom]

Why are you so certain they are town?

It's not that I think they're town, it's that I think the wagon is scum driven/has scum on it. Big difference.

Scum hop on scum wagons, so if you don't think they are town...idgi.

Btw, last time you said that urap was driving it. Now I am.

You think we're both scum?

I never said you were scum lol

The wagon was originally driven by Alacrity and Urap, which I think are scum partners.
If they're not scum, then there must be among Roster and Elsa.

This is what I've been going on for a while now, but I can see why you'd get confused, seeing as Urap and Alacrity voted and unvoted a bunch of times to manipulate their place on the wagon

[nomnomnom]

Why are you so certain they are town?

It's not that I think they're town, it's that I think the wagon is scum driven/has scum on it. Big difference.

1) theres a thing called bussing, in the first place. I don't think thats whats going on but its a thing
2)the wagon currently is URAP/PP/Elsa. which out of these do you think is scum? I know you've expresses a sr on urap/alacrity as a team, but do you think either PP or elsa are scum?

1) I don't think it's bussing at all, I still think Alacrity and Urap are scum partners.
2) Elsa and Roster must be scum if I am wrong about Alacrity and Urap. And before you ask about Roster, he originally put GW on L-1 with dodgy reasons then instantly left that wagon afterwards, so for me it counts as a scummy push.

[nomnomnom]

At this point I just want this day to end, we need a flip to go anywhere right now.

[nomnomnom]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

but then the cow will slam dunk this fool

[nomnomnom]

OK FINE YOU WIN

VOTE: GrandWazoo

[nomnomnom]

who knew a penguin, a queen and a cow would make me go crazy in a mafia game

[nomnomnom]

What about me? =(

I want blood.

[nomnomnom]

death

[nomnomnom]

Question about your hypothetical role, so I wont die if I'm town due to the loyal part?

That hypothetically how it works.

Hum, isn't it the contrary? Loyal only works on same alignment

[nomnomnom]

This is hypothetically not needed? Right?

Hypothetically???

[nomnomnom]

Hypothetically Nom, if YOU needed a loyal vigilante shot on someone, who would you recommend?

Well I mean I don't even get the role lmao, is it supposed to be a cop that kills if they don't investigate scum?

If that's what the role is supposed to accomplish, well, I'd want to shoot Alacrity obviously. Then again, a null read wouldn't be TOO bad I guess? I don't know. This is literally the first time I see this kind of role

[nomnomnom]

Maybe dont hypothetically threaten someone you're not 100 percent on then

Well I mean then again, if I think about the role, targeting a null read wouldn't actually be that bad. Like, you're getting rid of a spot you're not entirely sure about. If they happen to be scum, you just found the scum. If you shot a townie then it's a read you don't actually have to make anymore in the future. So I don't know. It's actually tempting to do this now that I think about it!

[nomnomnom]

I'm just thinking out loud honestly

[nomnomnom]

Yeah think of it like a cop, but instead of an innocent I,get to shoot someone in the face.

So tell me the slot you are most unsure about instead, one you wouldn't mind dead even if innocent.

First part makes my mind jump to PP, but second part makes my mind jump to N_M.
I'd probably shoot N_M out of these two.

[nomnomnom]

I am so obviously town your statement hurts me.

like if u cri everytim

[nomnomnom]

nuuuuuuuuuuu

[nomnomnom]

No worries Nom. You'll live probably.

And that ain't a good thing.

will you visit my tombstone from time to time

[nomnomnom]

Rename the game name to "betrayals".

[nomnomnom]

Hey it's Elsa's fault with their vigilante business!

[nomnomnom]

Actually shoot the cow though.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: roster

Your latest posts make me think you have scum information to say all of this, and it's visible in your wording choices in particular.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: roster

Your latest posts make me think you have scum information to say all of this, and it's visible in your wording choices in particular.

Can you point some out please

Roster was really assertive on day 1. A lot of certainties in their posts, a lot of confidence and general pushing a lot their convictions without much doubt. That really stood out to me even if it kind of stopped near the end of that day.

Then today you have this kind of post.

Ok I'll drop the alt business since it seems NAI here.

Nomnom & Urap still haven't addressed 282

I

feel like

this post happened because of a partner telling him to stop. 3 people doing this were URAP, Nom and Locke.

I'm wondering if scum have some weird mecha where they get rewarded for double voting. Alacrity and NM have both done it. This doesn't happen by accident on the same wagon.

And no Urap I didn't think I was hammered. I may be a prick but I'm not an idiot lol

I

think

this means NM isn’t scum.

It's such a bs reason to start pushing someone.

There's standard bs reasons, and there's that.

UNVOTE: GrandWazoo
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with GW at L-1 for a reason this weak, it's like the least scum-indicative thing about GW

I also

feel like

this is trying to stop the GW lynch. From memory I was comfortable going to L-1 because NM was already on the wagon.

Well then I'm fine with helping start the Insomnia/Eragon wagon back up again, after all my read on GW is mainly based off the possibility of him being Insomnia's scum partner so why not find out whether Insomnia/Eragon is scum first

VOTE: Eragon

‘My read is based on being Insomnia’s scum partner’

seems

untrue to me.

Like if you read all of these you can see that a lot of it is speculation and that those lead to a Locke vote. The only post that isn't like this is the one calling Alacrity conftown.
There's also their post about a traitor, when I read it I was like "huh why are you mentioning a traitor all of a sudden".

So I think this either means that Roster is using scum information and that those are written as "feelings" (which is uncharacteristic considering his early game) or this means that it's a lot of additional nonsense to justify their Locke vote. This is scum either way.

[nomnomnom]

Roster was really assertive on day 1. A lot of certainties in their posts, a lot of confidence and general pushing a lot their convictions without much doubt. That really stood out to me even if it kind of stopped near the end of that day.

Then today you have this kind of post.

This is how I try to get reactions day 1. Post flip (particularly scum flip) I can actually base my reads of how people interacted with known alignments, and it's much more about feeling than guesswork pretending-to-be-fact.

You're saying this but you were pushing an early lynch on me. To me this is much more than "simply getting reactions".

[nomnomnom]

Do you think I actually thought you'd get lynched? Maybe it's because you're inexperienced, but that sort of lynch never goes through.

lol don't give me that, you know exactly what I mean.

When you say you want someone lynched, it has nothing to do with them actually flipping or not.

[nomnomnom]

Nom I never actually scumread people D1.

Are you kidding me?? What was that all about D1 with making big claims about me being partnered with Eragon then? "Actually not a scumread"? lmao

[nomnomnom]

Yeah lol. I have like 0 confidence that I'm right about my D1 reads. They are 'reads' in some sense but I don't trust them.

Die.

[nomnomnom]

If roster is scum, nom is likely scum as well.

I'd like a sort of explanation on that because I literally don't see how you'd come to this conclusion.

[nomnomnom]

Hmm....

I need time to think about all this. This is not going to be easy for me

[nomnomnom]

Also PP, I expect better of you. You're not an idiot, stop voting like one

Now THAT speaks to me however.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Milk

L-2, reminder that NM is in this game

Hum isn't that actually L-1

[nomnomnom]

Ok I don’t actually object to this lynch but I’m not ready to end the day yet. You’re right.

[nomnomnom]

Town odd night disloyal roleblocker. I'm not going to be useful tonight anyway. Peace.

Who did you block?

Elsa

Oh my god, what is this claim

[nomnomnom]

Who did you block?

Elsa

Well good thing I didn't waste my single shot yesterday. Seriously though why rb a vigi claim.

Read the role again, town disloyal

I figured if you're bluffing (and I'm almost certain) I either blocked a kill or special role for mafia or did nothing.

I honestly have no words, tell me you're joking please...

[nomnomnom]

Frankly, i dont trust that claim at all. Its a very safe claim, because "disloyal roleblocker" literally just means that he can only roleblock scum. In game, thats ridiculously overpowered with no risk. I feel it just has too much power, along with a LOYAL NEIGHBORIZER(Which is both a full cop and a neighborizer) and Elsa's claim, so Im probably gonna keep my

Your in pretty good standing rn, your associations look pretty good and just dont lolhammer, and you should do fine tbhote on TMCK

Did you get drunk halfway through writing this or did you just copypaste something at the end?

pedit: oh yeah, definitely drunk

[nomnomnom]

A VC would be more than welcome at this point, I'm starting to have a headache

[nomnomnom]

Also honestly joking aside I feel that's was a scumslip

VOTE: Eragon

[nomnomnom]

Reading ftw

[nomnomnom]

Eragon this game:


Eragon last page:


We have the AtE-god among us.

What the actual fuck is this game by the way, I can't even at this point

[nomnomnom]

ohno i broke the youtube links

@Chibi save me

Fixed!

[nomnomnom]

tbh even if that was a "calculated slip" him basically going full drama queen against milk over a point and going full WAAAAAAH after it on all of us is scum as hell, especially if said person is usually full radio silence when they're not catching up

[nomnomnom]

I still have trouble believing Milk's claim because of how bad it was for all that's worth lmao

[nomnomnom]

@Alacrity you think eragon is town? What are your reads rn after all this?

[nomnomnom]

T E X T

[nomnomnom]

I feel quite torn inside, one part of me wants to lynch Eragon because in my mind, doing something so out there and obviously scummy, saying all of a sudden "lol it was a reaction test!" then getting angry at people because people thinking he's scum for it is apparently a crime, is scummy as all hell.

But again, Milk's claim is so bad I wouldn't be opposed to jump wagons and get that fool lynched.

I think scum is among those two.

[nomnomnom]

I don't know, because you claimed to roleblock someone that claimed a soft-investigative role? How about that?

[nomnomnom]

That's still a very bad block lmao, like it most likely does nothing and you wasted your night. And in cases Elsa is fake claiming, I assume he did this to draw potential roleblockers on him for that night, and it worked, so it was also a waste in that sense.

I think it's more likely the scum team has a roleblocker anyway, given urap's flip.

Also why did you think you were going to die? You've been saying how you are going to die for a good part of today lol

[nomnomnom]

Also, why the actual heck does everyone just believe the first person to say a role is too OP or not balanced.

??

Nobody except one person has brought up your claim "being OP" or "not balanced", which was mostly a bad analysis point imo.

It's a matter of looking at your claim with the target you gave us and the two people that flipped so far. And the more I think about it, the more I think it makes sense if you were a scum-sided roleblocker given your block and urap's flip.

You also brought up the fact that despite softing you didn't die last night, and you justify it as scum not seeing your soft, where I think another simple explanation is that you're scum.

There's also your day today that has been mostly AtE, same as Eragon, so that doesn't help your case either.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah. Let's go with that.

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

[nomnomnom]

Sure, but dont just assume eragon is scum when I flip okay, actually think about it first okay?

You make it sound like you don't actually think Eragon is scum.

Why are you voting someone you think isn't scum?

[nomnomnom]

I think NM should be the lynch for today.

Decent scum equity in roster though.

Pretty much what I'm thinking rn.

[nomnomnom]

Why?

I think yesterday's quickhammer was no mistake and that one of them (or possibly both) orchestrated this to go through.

There's just a high chance these two slots can flip scum on that fact alone.

[nomnomnom]

Do you have a preference of which one?

Of course.

VOTE: not_mafia

Let's get rid of this cow.

[nomnomnom]

Do you not think we’d make NM quickhammer instead?

And come on it wasn’t a quickhammer - we’d considered a lot. You’re rewriting what happens.

You're only accounting for the situation for when you are both scum.

There are other situations possible, but a lot of them imply either N_M intentionally obfuscating his vote to cause a lynch on milk, or you taking advantage of that and hammering milk "by accident".

But if it was no accident, why the hell did you hammer all of a sudden?

[nomnomnom]

I’d argue that the fact that I hammered means we’re not buddies. IDK how to actually read NM, so IDK on his comment.

You are completely missing my point.

How did you know that N_M's vote registered for Milk in the first place? And if you tell me "it was obvious!" we're going to have problems you and I.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah nom I have no idea why I thought it was a hammer (and I remember clearly thinking it was a hammer).

What

[nomnomnom]

What's the more likely scenario:

- "Hey Chibi what did N_M's vote register as? I might quickhammer this fool HAHAHAHAHMEEUHEUIWQHEW *more scum evil laugh*

- "DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR I CAN'T READ *quickhammers*"

[nomnomnom]

yawn

[nomnomnom]

To be fair I'm okay with Roster or N_M getting the lynch today, those two slots have the two highest chances of flipping scum.

N_M just has this additional factor of "I wouldn't want to see him at the end stages of a game ever" on top of that, so that's why I'm voting him rn.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: NM

This game died.

Pretty hard, yeah.

[nomnomnom]

To be fair I'm okay with Roster or N_M getting the lynch today, those two slots have the two highest chances of flipping scum.

N_M just has this additional factor of "I wouldn't want to see him at the end stages of a game ever" on top of that, so that's why I'm voting him rn.

what are your thoughts on locke?

Locke is not a priority right now, N_M and Roster are.
At least today.

[nomnomnom]

To be fair I'm okay with Roster or N_M getting the lynch today, those two slots have the two highest chances of flipping scum.

N_M just has this additional factor of "I wouldn't want to see him at the end stages of a game ever" on top of that, so that's why I'm voting him rn.

what are your thoughts on locke?

Locke is not a priority right now, N_M and Roster are.
At least today.

so, you literally just don't care about reading anyone except NM and roster?

Having bigger priorities doesn't mean I don't care.

But like, it's like asking me what we're going to eat tomorrow while you're eating a fat pizza, see what I mean?