Newbie 1924 - Game Over

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Hello, I am Voted and I am shy.

Incorrect.
VOTE: Voted
Now you are voted.

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RCE claiming their role already is a concern.

it's obv fakeclaim
designed to get the PRs to out

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I'm bummed that none of the newbies had newbscum intros
crossing my fingers for MafiaCiv!

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I'm bummed that none of the newbies had newbscum intros
crossing my fingers for MafiaCiv!

Shame that you rolled Scum :<

nobody hates it more than I do

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What's a noobscum intro look like?

I'll tell you later...

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hey newer players...
I know this is slogging along here
but once the last player shows up everything will explode into an exciting ball of electricity around here
so please don't flake the game

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I kinda like my RVS vote on voted
I don't love it
but I kinda like it

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ok I kinda like the new kid

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@Voted
you are caught scum at this point
the only way I'm unvoting if you find someone scummier

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let it begin!

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it means you are reading him as a town-aligned player
and are prohibited from voting him the rest of the day phase
or the penalty is a mod-kill

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I declare Vedith Locktown!

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Vedith is this considered bad form without ICs?

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I'm just messing around
locktown just means you are very certain they are town
and it would take some craazzy stuff to get you to change your read
the modkill thing was just me being obnoxious

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UNVOTE:

I'm going to click on that little activity overview thing
and vote for whoever is least engaged in this game

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VOTE: Saladman

congrats!

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Datisi if you think it's not alignment indicative
why'd you bother pointing it out at all?

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Fair assessment, I'd like other slots to speak their opinion on voted.

Because of this. I figured "slots" referred to other players. If that's not it and I misunderstood it, my bad.

no you did good kid

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@voted
what are your reads?
also how good/bad is 2200 elo?

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I mean it's great for chess
not sure how that works for fm

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ok
so basically... what's the conversion rate of 2200 ELO to Shrutebucks?

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@voted
what are your reads?
also how good/bad is 2200 elo?

2200 elo is Master tier elo where are usually only good player. The problem is that ToS is different than this. Day lasts cca 2 minutes; there are no vanilla towns. Everyone's role has an ability. I am good in finding people making fake claims and being able to claim fake roles (even as town) which are believable. I basically don't scum read in that game.

That being said, my scum reading abilities are in infinitesimal level and it is going to take my same time to scum read sameone here.

thanks for answering my dumb question
can you answer the good one now plz?

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VOTE: Voted

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you talking about the "other 8 people" thing?

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I don't wanna talk about my Voted vote rn
not that anybody is asking
but RCE just mentioned it

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Neither do I!

For what it's worth, if you are town then engaging with the thread is the best thing you can do. Even if you don't really know what to do, just interacting with everybody and participating is a step towards learning what to do. Which is something everyone here's working on to some degree or other.

this is good advice
if everybody interacts and asks questions
and just says what the are thinking without worrying about what it sounds like
then town start finding each other
and that's a good thing

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Hey SEs, can any of you read one another? Cause I can't really read any of you.

sorry I got nothing really good to offer
if I'm alive with them later in the game I'll expend some energy on sorting them

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not I

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I'll re-read sometime in the next 24 hours

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I'm gonna be voting salad here
but not ready to put him at L-1 and risk the self hammer

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we have 5 days left

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and 13 pages of content

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20-35ish
but the number of pages are less important than the interactions
that we can go back and see later
if salad flips town where do we go from there?

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Yeah, I’m really bad at catching up since everytime I check this thread I have to read 3 pages to get full context. It’s even harder since I never read the first half of the day.

you have 24 hours from this post to ooze town or you die
here's what you do...
read the damn game
post your general thoughts on each player
like what are their motivations based on their play
don't worry about explaining everything or sounding scummy
just post your thoughts
if we have questions we will ask
if you do this and you are town we will most likely figure it out

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RCE
you are giving me the heebie-jeebies

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332
352
352

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is there something obv I'm missing

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that's a yes or no question
probably shouldn't explian

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RCE
I just reread the game
(stop making excuses Salad it takes less than 30 minutes)
and this sums up my SRs:

I don't think all 3 of Navneet Voted and Salad are town.
And Voted/Salad as the Scum team isn't something I'm against.
Right now anyway.

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ClearlyClarity has some bad posts too
but doesn't rise to the salad-voted-Navneet level

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Then yes.

ok but how about a hint

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Actually this is near perfect setup-wise for town outside of like 1 scenario I can think of off the top of my head. So I'll place intent to hammer by this time tomorrow.

you should intent to hammer now
get that sweet claim with some time left on the clock

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has voted claimed yet?

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will someone not on the voted wagon plz give intent?

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I agree
kill it with fire

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tick tock

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I'm just gonna say...
every time a newbie claims and says VT
I say welp if they're scum their partner is a newbie too
cuz an experienced partner would tell them to fakeclaim to out a PR
and I'm sticking to that theory until it's proven wrong

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and now I realize that post is gonna make town!RCE or town!Vedith
go hmmmmm if voted flips red

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lol

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I dunno
it's hard to explain
some people will say TTTT just SRs anybody for saying "hey guys!" in their intro post
but that's actually just one possible indicator
it's more a tone read than anything
newbscum usually just don't seem very relaxed
and their first posts are forced
lemme go find some examples...

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Voted claim are PR, let's not post in our scum thread for a little bit.
Just be like yeah I was tested you all.

when you fuck up a fake PT post

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voted who is scum?

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I'm bummed that none of the newbies had newbscum intros
crossing my fingers for MafiaCiv!

Would love to know before getting lynched.

1915 - NotMySpamAccount with a fake "I'm such a newbie post" and his partner Salami entering the game with a greeting to the game and an apology, followed by forced reads
1917 - chennis' first two posts look way too concerned with how others view him
1919 - Screamingnoodle trying too hard to look relaxed
1923 - witchaven has several forced early posts (35 is the most fake looking of them)

so it's largely tonal early on
at least for me

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Did you roll Scum again Navneet?

Vedith
give me a quick overview of your scum-game(s) with nav plz

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well that's not helpful

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wait you mean 1921?
lol

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you poor bastard you replaced into jock's slot

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Nav
it may look like we are ignoring you
but I'm reading it
just don't want to interrupt you with questions
so keep going plz

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1917 - chennis' first two posts look way too concerned with how others view him

This links to 1923.

oops
1917

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why does everybody keep hinting at mysterious stuff
that I don't get?

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I feel like that kid with the booger hanging out of his nose

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just found a booger by the way
feels better now

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While I don't agree with everything Clarity's said, it's all pretty well within the range of what I'd expect her to be saying and doing. Helps that I've known her for several years offsite.

Is this the first this has come up?

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Voted
again... who is scum?

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before the hammer drops
anybody wanna say if they have a problem with this lynch?
I'm still very good with it

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crickets

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anybody here?

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yeah...

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@RCE
are you confused by the NK?

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zzzzzzzzzzz

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sorry I'm not gonna answer that question

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lolno
just trying to low-key gauge if we are on the same page about something else

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I'm killing you tonight for that comment alone.

I think we both know who the nk is and it isn't me.

was thinking of this and other stuff
hint: the Vedith NK points to a RBer

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Ok so there is now a mechanical reason TTTT and voted are not together that we can talk about tomorrow. Siri remind me.

!remindme 24hrs

I'd like to know this actually

I think he meant day 2

Yeah day 2, don't nk me please, it makes sense.

you ready to talk about this yet?

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not gonna lie
I didn't see it until near EoD (see my booger comments to Vedith)

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VOTE: salad

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yes

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salad should be forced to claim early in this day phase
so let's get him to L-1

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that's L-1

Someone plz give intent and let's get Salad's claim

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@salad
plz post your full reads list
it doesn't need to be Moby Dick
just each player's alignment and a sentence explaining each read

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Nav - I'm not so sure, he seems town but also scummy at the same time.
CC - Not so sure.

Ok. Can you tell us more about these two?
why are you conflicted?
where specifically do they look town?
and where scum?

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TTTT - Town, Gives a lot of town vibes and encourages me to post more even if it sounds sort of douchey...

this is the towniest thing you've said all game

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I'm not gonna hammer a newbtown who plays like how you'd expect a new player to play like. Feels shitty to have it happen to you.

why do you think this is newbtown and not newbscum?

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Oh, almost forgot:

Hey guys!

doesn't count
has to be in your first post
besides that tell doesn't apply to your meta

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For whatever it's worth...
I'm not sure that the mystery RCE is talking about is the same thing I'm talking about
bc I don't think I should be conftown from his POV
unless he's seeing something different

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Maybe SE's should start explaining what they see, this is becoming more and more confusing for me

it has to do with possible town PRs
so I won't be going into detail
sorry

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Nav - I'm not so sure, he seems town but also scummy at the same time.
CC - Not so sure.

Ok. Can you tell us more about these two?
why are you conflicted?
where specifically do they look town?
and where scum?

@saladman
still waiting for this

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@MJL
why'd you decide to read and post thoughts without looking at the flips first?

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@MJL
why'd you decide to read and post thoughts without looking at the flips first?

I wanted to play the game. I got impatient, though.

ok
but why not click on the dead players spoiler in the opening post
to help guide your thinking as you review?
what is the benefit of going in blind when replacing in on day2?

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to be 100% clear
I'm TRing your slot
but that Reviewapalooza post isn't sitting well

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salad is still a good lynch
but I like these odds too
VOTE: Nav

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That's fine. I am what I am.

don't ever forget who was your 1st BFF

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but for realsies
can you explain a little better your thinking in not reading the spoilers?

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RBer? What's that?

Role-blocker

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VOTE: Saladman

TTTT, are you gonna change your vote back?

Come on now, TTTT.

why the rush?

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Salad is at L-1 btw

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@MJL
why'd you decide to read and post thoughts without looking at the flips first?

I wanted to play the game. I got impatient, though.

ok
but why not click on the dead players spoiler in the opening post
to help guide your thinking as you review?
what is the benefit of going in blind when replacing in on day2?

I can do that after I do an uninformed read through and get authentic first impressions.

how about now?

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@Datisi
at this point I think it's you and Nav
or Nav and salad
convince me it's Nav and salad
so I can hammer salad
thx

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What's your take on RCEnigma, TTTT?

town-lean but wary
I'm treating him like town until I need to sort him
or one of us gets NK'd

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RCE is convinced Voted wagon was 1 on 1 off, therefore me and Nav can't both be scum

yeah but I'm not RCE

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Maybe I'd be of more help if i understood what you and RCE keep hushing between yourselves

1. I don't even know if we are talking about the same thing
2. Either way it's anti-town to discuss it (bc scum maybe don't know what I think I might know)

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@Datisi
maybe start with just telling us what you think of Nav's gameplay in general

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@Nav
is Datisi still your strongest TR?
who else do you TR?

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Votecount 1.12

Voted (5) -

ClearlyClarity, TTTT, Saladman27, Vedith, Miss Kobayashi Maru

Saladman27 (2) -

Datisi, thenavneet

thenavneet (1) -

Voted

Not Voting (1) -

RCEnigma

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

based on day1 final VC
I think I'm more comfortable lynching Salad over Nav

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I wonder why TTTT did put his vote back on Saladman.

bc I wasn't ready for a hammer

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anybody here?

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I'm like 70% this flips scum
what do you think?

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also MJL why did you want the day to end so fast after replacing in?

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it just seems unlike you to rush

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like what do you think of RCE pushing a Nav lynch as the counterwagon to Salad
but then jumping on that chance to lynch Salad
I even moved my vote to Nav

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I think if he's scum it's the opposite
and salad is a mislynch
I am not saying if salad is a mislynch then RCE is scum btw

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still I don't think RCE would be a bad investigative tonight if salad is green
if salad is red maybe Clarity or Nav

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Can you flesh that out for me?

I dunno
just felt odd that he tried to build a counterwagon then jumped back on for that hammer

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MJL you never explained why you didn't read the spoilers before starting your game-read

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Town: ClearlyClarity is cautious, and voting with her gut. I think she’s taking stabs in the dark and scum!Clarity would stab with more precision. (unless she’s scum in which case her stabs in the dark are staged!)

Town: TTTT is conducting himself as his usual self and I see he’s putting out tests and feelers to try to indirectly get reads on people. Scum!TTTT would already know who’s who.

which of these two TRs ranks higher?
I'm assuming Clarity unless you say otherwise

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I will say that if RCE is scum that last post was really good

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so I feel better already

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1. We suck at finding scum
2. They suck at finding PRs
3. Hopefully we have a PR that knows something

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let's not out anything yet unless it's a guilty

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I don't need an investigative dying for an inno with 2 scum alive

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also let's take this day slow
plz no rushes to lynch
even if you have a guilty
in fact if you have a guilty slow play that and make 'em squirm
let's find the partner before outing it

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one last thing...
a single misvote could end the game cuz it's only 3 to lynch
so keep your hands off that vote trigger

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who are you leaning as the team?

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I'm pretty much locktowning you MJL
let's do this.

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Live look of this day

you do realize you are the most likely lynch today right?
If you're town plz make it obv

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Yes I realize that. I'm not too worried though. This is going to be a great day.

who are your TRs?

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Yes I realize that. I'm not too worried though. This is going to be a great day.

who are your TRs?

Datisi is still my strongest TR and I'm going to go ahead and

lockTown

her since that seems to be a thing we are doing

As to the other one, I really WANT it to be you. But I'm not committing yet.

MJL-Clarity is not the direction I thought today would go
but I'm listening...

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I'm curious why you lockTown'd MJL

"pretty much locktowning"
mostly based on MKM's play

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UNVOTE NOW

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one last thing...
a single misvote could end the game cuz it's only 3 to lynch
so keep your hands off that vote trigger

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UNVOTE NOW

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Clarity if you are town and scum coordinates a mislynch off your vote I will blacklist you for all eternity

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If some else is here post to prove you aren't scum with me

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thank you Clarity

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I'm here ofc

yeah that doesn't prove much
lol

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I'm goin to grab dinner
will try to be on later

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still I don't think RCE would be a bad investigative tonight if salad is green
if salad is red maybe Clarity or Nav

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it was bad advice in retrospect
maybe it was ignored

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I am not confirming or denying if I'm an investigative
just to be clear

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@MJL
I thought Clarity was your top SR?

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who are you leaning as the team?

Clearly Clarity. No team yet. My slot was suspicious of her and it came out that they know each other very well off the forum. He may have seen something in her posts that is a tell for him.

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@Clarity
everyone is SRing you to some extent
please provide a full reads list now

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ok you might as well say it

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no... Let it marinate

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the threat was only valid if Clarity refused to unvote
but she did
so all is good in the world

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Clearly Clarity is still my top scum read independent of my recent interactions with thenavneet, though.

so still your top SR or no?
like if the day was ending in ten minutes and they were both at L-1 what do you do?

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Formally take it back.

I don't get it
you want me to take back something that isn't valid anymore
or are you looking for an apology?

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I, TTTT, being of sound mind, do hereby rescind and revoke all claims to future blacklisting of Clarity, in the event she votes recklessly or scummily, as the case may be, in MYLO in Newbie game 1924.

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go back and read MJL'S twilight reaction...

While it's still twilight, give us some good reads to go by so we can catch the real scum. Even if you're wrong or you're not feeling sure, just tell us what you think and why you think it.

Your avatar is great.

compared to Datisi's reaction 2 posts prior...

No matter what you flip now, don't give up on the game. We're here to learn, the next one will be better.

@MJL
why the assumption of a town flip?
he did kinda hint at it but it wasn't 100% clear

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@Clarity
everyone is SRing you to some extent
please provide a full reads list now

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Yep

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It's rather late here and I'm pretty tired, but I'll post a couple of my thoughts before I crash. Both of these posts make me very suspicious of CC - she never answered the first one, but she did post later in Day 2. Not reading or ignoring the question? Same for the vote, after TTTT posted not to vote hastly.

Like MJL pointed out, that was a newbie slip that I remedied immediately. I was also inactive sitewide during most of D2 and only had enough time to get my vote on my top scumread before the day ended

where did MJL point this out?

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Formally take it back.

Yes, top SR. I'd vote Clarity if the day was ending in 10 minutes.

What happened to being your top townread only two posts before in your ISO?

where does MJL ever say you are her top TR?

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go back and read MJL'S twilight reaction...

While it's still twilight, give us some good reads to go by so we can catch the real scum. Even if you're wrong or you're not feeling sure, just tell us what you think and why you think it.

Your avatar is great.

compared to Datisi's reaction 2 posts prior...

No matter what you flip now, don't give up on the game. We're here to learn, the next one will be better.

@MJL
why the assumption of a town flip?
he did kinda hint at it but it wasn't 100% clear

Sorry, I must withhold. That's a trade secret. If you were to search, you would find a consistent trend all my games, though.

a consistent trend of you knowing a player's alignment pre-flip?
No, you need a better explanation than "trade secret"

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I feel like there must be a claiming strategy we should be using today

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like I thought we were column A
because someone softed and didn't die Night1
but maybe not

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@NAV
I'm not sure we can progress much more without you explicitly stating the guilty on Clarity that you've been hinting at
you should go ahead and out
if you are just faking for reactions out that too plz

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Nav was the lynch today before that happened
so it needs to be out and open for counterclaim

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love it
MJL?

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when you out the guilty you need to full-claim role too

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no MJ
wait for Nav first
then only claim if it's a counterclaim to him

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what I meant by "MJL?" was "is MJL the player you are claiming to have a guilty on Nav?"

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so I think it works like this...

Nav full claims role and results
if MJL has a valid CC she claims role and results
nobody else claims anything until we think about it

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the reason Nav needs to claim first is he was default lynch today
and has been heavily hinting that he has a guilty

Pedit: ok who was your N1 target?

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I had a sort of winky post directed towards MKM during D1 which I was hoping got picked up on if I was Night killed.

436

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@MJL
full claim role please

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and if anyone else is a Neapolitan with a vanilla result on Nav
they should claim obv

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This one.

how do you feel about me beating you to your own post?

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gotta go
but I'll be back in 1-2 hours

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MJL
you should be voting Nav here
he's confscum from your POV

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Nav you should vote MJL

NOBODY ELSE VOTES

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if anybody else is cop, jailkeeper, or tracker
you should CC here
neapolitan or doc should stay quiet

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absent a CC we are lynching MJL today

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only concern is
MJL is most likely the goon
not the RB

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Alright, here we go then. I'm the Jailkeeper.

oooooh!
this is gonna be a fun day3

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Alright, here we go then. I'm the Jailkeeper.

who'd you keep each night?

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ok so mechanically you should be voting NAV
but let's leave it alone so scum doesn't end the day too soon

and...

MJL can you unvote plz?

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sorry for being bossy today

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just putting this here for reference...

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Neapolitan	Town Cop and Town Tracker	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Neapolitan and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Doctor

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yeah
one of Nav and Datisi is scum
and one of Nav and MJL is scum
I mean it's possible the team is MJL/Datisi
but odds are it's Nav who's lying

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outside chance of a Nav/MJL
and Nav knew he was dying today so his guilty claim on MJL is intended to draw out a PR and distance from MJL
but that seems unlikely given the game-state

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Naveet is definitely lying.

I think I'm with you
just talking out all possibilities

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two things give me pause:
1. MJL's slot softing cop day1
2. MJL not reading the flips prior writing catch-up posts

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Just so you know, TTTT, I'm not voting for anyone other than Naveet. We can take our time, but he's definitively outed himself from my POV. My vote can only go to him.

I get that

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yeah I don't think Datisi/MJL works as the scum team
Datisi did not need to CC there to secure a win
risk/reward doesn't make sense from scum POV

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I feel like hardly anybody's interacted with me so far, and it's making me lonely

Hey, I feel the same way! Let's interact!

So... With all the Salad/Voted/RCE votes going on, you never changed your vote. Are you thinking about changing it? What made you stick?

Hi!

I don't really like to move my vote unless I feel I've found a good spot for it or if there's some other sensible reason. Only time I really felt motivated to vote was on Voted earlier on, but they were already at L-2 when I got home from work that night and my read on Voted's only weakened since then.

Not super jazzed about the Salad wagon right now since regardless of alignment, he does just seem disengaged from what's going on right now. There's some sense in pushing it in order to try to motivate him more and flesh out proper reads, but I'm skeptical that it'll accomplish much. That's why I tried to talk to Salad earlier, because

I got the sense they'd respond better to a good cop kinda approach.

At the moment I'm trying to figure out how I feel about the SEs, and my gut's telling me that should be my highest priority.

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if MJL is town
it either was incidental
or was intended to draw a NK onto her slot to save PRs from the NK

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Well if you do lynch me they ... secure a win. So uhhh. Does make sense?

it maybe makes sense if MJL is RBer and Datisi is goon
but MJL is not RBer with that cop soft day1
if they are the scumteam the goon is the one who should lay the groundwork for the fakeclaim
(kinda like you did)

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I don't see why it matters who is which role here today? It's MyLo and if you lynch a Townie, they win.

it matters bc
1. there's a risk it backfires (with a Neapolitan claim) and then both scum are caught
2. there is still a possibility of a doc if you are cop so mislynch may not end it

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I can't count...

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still I'm standing by #1

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	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Neapolitan	Town Cop and Town Tracker	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Neapolitan and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Doctor

if Nav's is town
based on claimed Cop and being RB'd N1
the setup is A1 or A3
and Datisi is scum CCing with a 50% chance of being CC'd by a Neapolitan
(Doc wouldn't CC due to both JK-Doc and Cop-Doc being in column A)

scum!Datisi
could instead have agreed to lynch her partner MJL
then RB'd and NK'd Nav (claimed cop)
for 3 player lylo

scum!Datisi CCing only makes sense if MJL is RBer
bc the win is significantly harder with just goon

I think that makes sense
but don't really care
bc pretty sure Nav is just scum

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oops...
maybe I just gave scum!Clarity the path to CC as Neapolitan
and force me to make the decision

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given VT claim from MJL
Clarity claims Neapolitan or Doc here regardless of alignment

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Nav's claim confirms column A regardless of his alignment

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maybe not confirmed but highly likely
given it's the safest column to claim cop
if it was column B scum!Nav claims Tracker
could still be column C I guess but he claimed he was RB'd

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Yeah, he claimed he was RB'd. Doesn't that go in the trash if he's scum?

the claim he was blocked is trashed if he's scum
but the fact he used it in his claim means scum!Nav thinks being limited to column A can't incriminate him

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I need Clarity to show up and spill her guts

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if it's about out of game stuff I think it's frowned upon
with MKM knowing Clarity IRL... I've already been thinking about it