Newbie 1924 - Game Over

[thenavneet]

VOTE: RCEnigma

anyone with the name RC in it gives me PTSD

[thenavneet]

Hi I'm Vedith and I'm new.

and yet you're an SE somehow

[thenavneet]

hey newer players...
I know this is slogging along here
but once the last player shows up everything will explode into an exciting ball of electricity around here
so please don't flake the game

Even if he doesn't post "hey everyone" or some variant of it in his first post?

[thenavneet]

So now that we have 1 scum and some spare time. How familiar are all of you with mafia? On/off-site, forum/f2f, etc.

I play Mafia on another forum with 24 hour day/night phases. Been playing for a year or so now.
I played 2 games on this site before this. Both times I was Mafia. Won the first one but got my ass handed to me in the second one.

[thenavneet]

Has voted for lynching VOTE: Saladman27.

Chances are you don't like me joining the wagoon against Saladman. I did it because I hope it could work as a catalyst and that it would increase the frequency of messages in this thread. Didn't work.

Reaching for the bottom rung here. The self awareness is ok. Hot take brought to you by nacho: voted flips scum then he's partnered with an SE.

Are you saying an SE coached him into giving that as a reason. Seems to me like an SE would come up with a better reason. If anything voted flipping scum would mean a non SE partner.

[thenavneet]

UNVOTE:

I'm going to click on that little activity overview thing
and vote for whoever is least engaged in this game

Where is this activity overview thing

[thenavneet]

The Activity Overview thing is pretty dope. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

From Voted's ISO itself I don't see stuff that;'s AI. The noobness definitely shows and there COULD be an element of playing up the noobness to be able to skate by but I'd put that at lower odds than genuine noob trying to adapt to this environment.

If I vote for Voted right now it would be activity based more than anything but that isn't saying much since activity in general here has been lackluster (mine included)

Happy with my vote on RCE for now.

[thenavneet]

Hm that's a poor question, it's because my name looks like RC. Why are you content your rvs vote landed on scum? Is probably a better question.

At the time when I had posted that, I saw no real reason for any of the other 8 people to be scum so you had just as good a chance at being scum as anyone else.

Worrying trends:
-Vedith is top poster
-Voted is 3rd too poster with little to no original content
-Navneet is mia after establishing a low post meta in his previous game (which Vedith hasn't questioned)
-Vedith is top poster.

Just to clarify, you're saying my meta is that I don't post as often? Or did I state something about making reads based on people who don't post much. My posting frequency has directly to do with my availability at work and my motivation in the game as a whole and nothing to do with the color in my role PM.

Ah the bit in parentheses is because Vedith replaced into the scumteam with navneet during that game and got his closest Town Ally to counterclaim against him.

Still reading through that game.

That was a fun thing to read after getting back from a 5 hour flight.

[thenavneet]

UNVOTE: RCEnigma

You ask too many questions to be an informed scum, so I'm making unvote you for now.

VC seems a bit off. saladman unvoted here but the reasoning is paper thin. Any Experienced player and even a fair number of new players can ask enough questions to appear to be scum hunting. It doesn't make them unlikely scum.

I get mild SvS vibes from these two salad posts. Feels like RC coaching salad what to say here.

Vegetables are neat
Inspiring little lad anxious Saladman is sad
Cause his votecount is three
And that is very bad

VOTE: RCEnigma No true buddy/friend would call their friendship a deal.

If you were in my shoes do you think you would be reading your slot as town?

Nope, I have bad post ethic and even I can assume that is scummy.

[thenavneet]

People I wouldn't lynch as of now are TTTT and Vedith. TTTT because this gamestate is progressing at glacial pace and from what I've seen of him activity wise he makes his presence count. Vedith for entertainment factor because his presence will hopefully lead to me being more motivated to catch up more often. Pretty much anyone else is fair game.

[thenavneet]

People I wouldn't lynch as of now are TTTT and Vedith. TTTT because this gamestate is progressing at glacial pace and from what I've seen of him activity wise he makes his presence count. Vedith for entertainment factor because his presence will hopefully lead to me being more motivated to catch up more often. Pretty much anyone else is fair game.

EBWOP Add Datisi to the list of people I wouldn't lynch today. Succinct and to the point. I like her posts.

[thenavneet]

Votecount 1.05

RCEnigma (3) -

thenavneet, Vedith, Saladman27

Voted (3) -

RCEnigmia, ClearlyClarity, TTTT

Saladman27 (1) -

Datisi

ClearlyClarity (1) -

Miss Kobayashi Maru

Not Voting (1) -

Voted

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2019-04-11 12:10:00).

saladman unvoted in post 164

[thenavneet]

Did you catch a Town slip? Please let me know so that I don't repeat it in the future.

[thenavneet]

you talking about the "other 8 people" thing?

Yeah but I don't think it makes much sense as either alignment to think that way and less likely to be a slip. I'd also be implying I myself am scum with nav if I consider it an actual slip.

"I saw no real reason for any of the other 8 people to be scum"

Is this is what you're talking about? When thinking who could be scum, I would only look at 8 other people wouldn't I? I know I'm not scum. So everyone else has a 1 in 8 chance of being scum when the Day started.

[thenavneet]

I've already said I'll ignore it. However, if you yourself aren't scum then 2 of the other 8 slots are. A random vote to start the day is more likely to land on town than scum and you haven't done anything to slim those numbers down so to think that your Rand vote landed on scum is poor reasoning.

It also doesn't reinforce wether I'm scum or not scum, just thank you aren't bothered to figure out if you are voting scum or town.

I think in your case I'm giving more leeway for a couple different reasons - new player, both games played you rolled scum I believe? So you may not have a strong base on how to scumhunt or what looks scummy when you aren't playing an informed slot.

I'll use my Voted read as an example. In addition to the things I've mentioned there are a couple things going on with him such as the contrast between his initial calm reaction when his wagon peaked and the survivalist push he made on salad afterwards. So 1, it could be seen as a playstyle difference (goes along with my theory of Voted +coaching, possible SE). His disinterest in wether scum was voting him or not is +scum, scum!him would already know if this is true or not so may not be bothered with soring out motivations or intentions. His unvote on salad when Vedith posted intent to hammer could go either way I guess. No one has really come to his defense so normally I would like to think he's town being left out by scum to cook but his pressure flipped onto me when I pushed further so I can't really ignore that and call it town.

This will be the last time I comment on it.

The chance that you rolled scum is the same that anyone else rolled scum. 1 of 8. That's what I meant with my original statement and clarification.

I have indeed rolled scum twice before this. I actually have rolled town once as well but I went inactive in that game. I was Town Doctor too and I had never been Town Doc before and was super excited to try it out. But stuff happened and I didn't have time to post here. C'est la vie.

I'm sensing that you are slightly frustrated that I haven't moved my RVS vote. Which is fair I get that. I did state earlier that I thought your interaction with saladman seemed slightly SvS and seemed like you were coaching him. Ironically enough you have put forth a similar hypothesis about Voted and their scum partner being an SE coaching them to defend themselves. Which is interesting. Is it out of the realm of possibility that scum!RCE is pushing a noob scum + SE coach scum narrative because subconsciously he knows that's the case? Food for thought!

re: your points about Voted. The only thing I can agree on is the contradiction you pointed out here

People who are trying to scum hunt
-TTTT
-RCEnigma

UNVOTE: maybe I'm over thinking and it's just an oversight kind of thing.

So, I kind of like voteds last post. But I sprung up as a counter push to Voteds wagon and it's got me thinking.

Well, you slighty look like a scum who is pretending to help town hunt scum.

Things like this definitely don't help your case.

Aside that I don't see what you're seeing. I'm not seeing where the pressure flipped to you. The only votes on you are me and Vedith. And I reckon Vedith's is a joke vote? Mine started out as a joke vote and I'm very likely going to be moving to saladman because so far the only thing that pinged me was that weird interaction between you and saladman. Which looks worse on saladman than it does on you and in case it really is you and saladman as the scum team, it still makes sense to vote him first.

[thenavneet]

VOTE: Saladman27

[thenavneet]

- the weird interaction with RCE which could be SvS
- lack of substance
- when asked for reads u say the 2 most obvious things

[thenavneet]

Don't vote me either Vedith

[thenavneet]

Or do. That might be fun

[thenavneet]

Prod dodge placeholder

Sorry fam. Stuff's been crazy IRL for me. I DO want to play tho so give me till end of day today to post something useful.

[thenavneet]

I had just typed up the hammer. I'll give it till my shift starts.

How long is that

[thenavneet]

Awesome ty

[thenavneet]

I'll get in some analyses about ISOs. Starting with Voted because well why not.
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Has voted for lynching VOTE: Saladman27.

Chances are you don't like me joining the wagoon against Saladman. I did it because I hope it could work as a catalyst and that it would increase the frequency of messages in this thread. Didn't work.

This came across as completely genuine to me and had me leaning town on Voted at the time.
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@Saladman
They are very eager to lynch me and I don't like it. My only survival chance is to find sameone scummier than me. You haven't posted anything relevant yet, so I will try to push you to see if you don't slid. I haven't done samething similar before and I am sorry if I overdo it / mess it up.

Well salad is voting me and I'm voting you. What do you think of that? Why do you think I'm still scumreading you? If you were in my shoes do you think you would be reading your slot as town?

Salad is random voting you so it has no weight. You are voting me either because you think that I am scum or because you want to test me. Or both.

I don't know why everyone scum reads me. In every game. Would love to know. Probably because of my inability to make constructive early in game and my strange sense of humour.

The tone of the posts changed a bit to a woe-is-me attitude. Not necessarily AI but I could see it being a newbscum asking for his scum tells so that he doesn't repeat them in the future.
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UNVOTE: unvote

You guys have a dangerous style of humour, you know this?

This was an Unvote of salad I believe. But it was never explained. This is the first genuine red flag for me.
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I just have no idea how to scum hunt/read so I don't post much.

Lets help you then.
Do you think there is sameone who pushes sameone just to get him lynched rather than to find if he is scum or not? Who? Why do you think so - which posts made you believe it?
Is here sameone who is actively testing suspicious people if they are scum or not? Who? Why do you think so - which posts made you believe it?
Is here sameone who protects sameone else? Who? Why do you think so - which posts made you believe it?

Interesting interaction here. While it is easy to think this is one scum helping other scum to post more and giving him pointers, Voted's posts up to that point don't really give me the confidence that this is how he would handle the situation. So for now I will say Voted and Saladman are not the scum team. Curious to see if saladman ever answered these.
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20-35ish
but the number of pages are less important than the interactions
that we can go back and see later

if salad flips town where do we go from there?

If both, me and Salad are town (what I think is truth),

than datisi and thenavneet have a huge problem for pushing against Salad

(day 1 - lynch Salad, day 2 - lynch me, that would be a really nice start for scum). With pushing I don't mean making him post more, but making him sus, lynched.

This post assumes that I would push against Voted if Salad flips town which IDK where he got that from.
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VOTE: thenavneet
Any ideas about my potential scum buddy?
Any ideas about Salad's potential scum buddy? Still thinking its RCE? Any other ideas?

No I don't think it's RCE. And I didn't think of you as scum when you posted this. Still don't really. As for saladman's potential scum buddy, that's a good question. I don''t think it's you. I don't think it's Datisi just based on current VC. If I had to guess right now based on VC, I would say it's MKM or CC. But I will get back to this more after their ISOs
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Basically from that ISO I don't see anything egregiously scummy. If Voted does flip scum, I'd look at CC, Datisi or maybe Vedith for potential scum partners but that's going purely off of current VC without looking at the timing of the posts and such so this pool is subject to change. While there IS some indication that it could be Voted and Salad as the scum team (most notably Voted's unvote of Salad without any real reason) I don't think it's enough to convince me.

[thenavneet]

This was a funny ISO to read

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- the weird interaction with RCE which could be SvS
- lack of substance
- when asked for reads u say the 2 most obvious things

Bad detective skills lead to weird interactions, stub posts and bandwagoning. I'm just trying to catch up since I haven't read the first half of the day.

Ok you make it clear you're trying to catch up and subtly go into a 1v1 with me.
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I try to check more often but with my data plan being expired (yes I check on my phone) I can really post at least once a day.

Oh hai! I think right now, I’m gonna VOTE: Voted. Anyways, still nothing to report and I’ll probably have even worse post ethic.

Yeah, I’m really bad at catching up since everytime I check this thread I have to read 3 pages to get full context. It’s even harder since I never read the first half of the day.

You have established that you aren't going to read the game.
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Here are my honest reads after catching up, note: I am very bad at mafia as a whole so take it with a grain of salt:
Vedith: Town, he seems reasonable and posts valuable posts.
Navneet: Scummy, I haven’t really seen them post much at all, either that or I’m am blind.
Voted: Slight scummish, I think they’re a bit apprehensive and seems to delay questions.

Anyways, that’s pretty much it, I think the game will probably end with me lynched anyways.

Yay, I made it to the frustrating rank! Props to me, for being the worst mafia player on this forum!

Yay, I made it to the frustrating rank! Props to me, for being the worst mafia player on this forum!

I could see this being played on for sympathy.

Nah, it's just little ole' pessimistic me. Ok, now I can see why, but I'll still continue to call myself the worst mafia player on this forum...

A slew of AtE posts here. Don't really make me reconsider my vote.
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That was more towards voted. I can't say I don't think you're scummy though. What do you think about the game salad? Do you think scum are voting you at the moment? Who do you think is town? Was the text in your role pm red?

Ok, let’s start with these.
1. I think I’m gonna get lynched before day 2.
2. Yeah, to jump on the bandwagon to appear less scummy.
3. Most of the people who aren’t lynching me.
4. No.
Right now I’m just facing the consequences of not committing to the game early, seeming as scummish as Voted and Navneet.

>2. thinks scum are voting him which is Datisi and I and yet his vote is on Voted. His reasoning is that scum are jumping on a bandwagon to appear less scummy but that's exactly what he's doing.
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I'm unsure why more people aren't voting saladman tbqh. He's either newbscum with no idea how to generate content or he's town who has admitted he won't be reading the game.

[thenavneet]

MKM is next
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I feel like hardly anybody's interacted with me so far, and it's making me lonely

heyo. I'll be interacting with you a lot more on D2 methinks. Assuming we're both alive ofc. Which I have hunch we will be
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I feel like hardly anybody's interacted with me so far, and it's making me lonely

Hey, I feel the same way! Let's interact!

So... With all the Salad/Voted/RCE votes going on, you never changed your vote. Are you thinking about changing it? What made you stick?

Hi!

I don't really like to move my vote unless I feel I've found a good spot for it or if there's some other sensible reason. Only time I really felt motivated to vote was on Voted earlier on, but they were already at L-2 when I got home from work that night and my read on Voted's only weakened since then.

Not super jazzed about the Salad wagon right now since regardless of alignment, he does just seem disengaged from what's going on right now. There's some sense in pushing it in order to try to motivate him more and flesh out proper reads, but I'm skeptical that it'll accomplish much. That's why I tried to talk to Salad earlier, because I got the sense they'd respond better to a good cop kinda approach.

At the moment I'm trying to figure out how I feel about the SEs, and my gut's telling me that should be my highest priority.

I actually fundamentally disagree with this. A disengaged player, town or scum, hurts the game state. He's an easy push for scum to make if he is town and remains this way. Better to sort that early imo.
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UNVOTE: ClearlyClarity

So, VOTE: MKM, do you have same reads on sameone else than me or Salad?

Town: Clarity
Townlean: Datisi, TTTT as of this last page
Idk: Everyone who I don't mention
Frustrating: Salad
Scumlean: Voted

I'm not so hot on you right now Voted, because something about the way you respond to getting wagoned seems inorganic and more focused on staying alive than trying to figure people out.

Did you explain your reasons of townlean on CC. Doesn't have to be today just curious.
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I see a soft defense of salad and potential attempts to pocket CC here. That is assuming a world of scum!MKM. But if it is scum!MKM and scum!salad I would still vote salad first anyways.

[thenavneet]

Last one for a bit. I need to go eat something. Hey CC!

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This will be the last time I comment on it.

The chance that you rolled scum is the same that anyone else rolled scum. 1 of 8. That's what I meant with my original statement and clarification.

I have indeed rolled scum twice before this. I actually have rolled town once as well but I went inactive in that game. I was Town Doctor too and I had never been Town Doc before and was super excited to try it out. But stuff happened and I didn't have time to post here. C'est la vie.

I'm sensing that you are slightly frustrated that I haven't moved my RVS vote. Which is fair I get that. I did state earlier that I thought your interaction with saladman seemed slightly SvS and seemed like you were coaching him. Ironically enough you have put forth a similar hypothesis about Voted and their scum partner being an SE coaching them to defend themselves. Which is interesting. Is it out of the realm of possibility that scum!RCE is pushing a noob scum + SE coach scum narrative because subconsciously he knows that's the case? Food for thought!

You come off as kind of defensive here.

I've already said I'll ignore it. However, if you yourself aren't scum then 2 of the other 8 slots are. A random vote to start the day is more likely to land on town than scum and you haven't done anything to slim those numbers down so to think that your Rand vote landed on scum is poor reasoning.

It wasn't a big deal, but you felt the need to justify that slip, then made it seem as though RCE was pushing it.

I do see how that comes across as defensive. It kinda WAS a big deal to me because it seemed like my intent got lost in translation there so I felt like I needed to clear it up. This was also around the time that the weird RCE-saladman interaction seemed SvS to me so that may have added to my desire to flesh out that back and forth a bit more.
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Miss Kobe Bryant seems pretty towny from his posts rn

I feel like hardly anybody's interacted with me so far, and it's making me lonely

That's cause you're scum

These two posts pretty much reinforce my theory of MKM trying to pocket CC.
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Out of the three on the wagon, from most scummy to least IMO:

Voted
Navneet
Salad

What makes you feel that Navneet is scummy?

It's less that I'm reading him as scummy than just being second in my order of progression. Little things like his defensive interaction with RCE and his play being similar to his scum games' meta. Scumlean.

I'm loathe to policy lynch salad just for being bad at scumreading/being lurky, etc, because I did just that in my only other game. It's different when you have had no prior mafia experience, which most other newbies on this site at least have had on different platforms. It's reasonable to lynch in any other setup, but this is a Newbie game, and the aim is to help newbies segue into the MS meta.

I think your list of scumleans is pretty lazy but I also can't fault you for SRing the lower posters on D1 especially if you think that the scum team is a newbscum team. It IS kinda weird tho that you don't wanna policy lynch Salad yet you're ok with lynching Voted or me for reasons that seem pretty similar? You can correct me if I'm wrong about your reasons for SRing Voted and me though.

Also I'm confused how you think my game upto this point has been in any way similar to my scum game just prior to this. I was actively trying to push a narrative in my previous game as opposed to here I've done ... basically nothing. If you want my personal meta, I actually love being scum and hate being town. Because the site I come from has a lot of the same players playing over and over so it's gotten to the point where I can meta read most people fairly accurately. That makes them want to NK me N1 if I'm not on their scumteam.
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I can say with some certainty after reading MKM and CC's ISO that they aren't scumbuddies together. G2H I'd say MKM is scummier than CC.

[thenavneet]

Nav PR hunts as scum I remember that.

I wish I hadn't PR hunted at night tbh. I overthought it and killed the best possible ML candidate lol.

[thenavneet]

Might not get to the SEs before the 8 hour deadline I have.
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I find Clarity's lack of opinion a bit.. Weird? After not much posting coming to the discussion with nothing said.

But in any case, VOTE: Saladman27 for not posting one post that's game related. I'd like to hear more from him.

This is the start of me mindmelding with Datisi
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@Salad, I still think you're town, but I'd like to hear more about what you think of the wagon on you. Do you think it's fair that you could be lynched for lurking?

Oh hai! I think right now, I’m gonna VOTE: Voted. Anyways, still nothing to report and I’ll probably have even worse post ethic.

Either ignoring the question or not even reading it. At this point, I'm starting to think lynching Salad will be beneficial regardless of their alignment. Even if they're Town, they don't seem to be helping us move along.

Mindmelding intensifies
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20-35ish
but the number of pages are less important than the interactions
that we can go back and see later

if salad flips town where do we go from there?

If both, me and Salad are town (what I think is truth),

than datisi and thenavneet have a huge problem for pushing against Salad

(day 1 - lynch Salad, day 2 - lynch me, that would be a really nice start for scum). With pushing I don't mean making him post more, but making him sus, lynched.

I wanted to take that as "you two could be suspected as scum" and not "i suspect you two as scum", but alrighty then.

Besides, if you're suspecting me and/or thenavneet, why vote for MKM?

It's uncanny at this point
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Okay, going through the recent posts, only now I realize how unskilled I am, and I've got no idea about the vague SE's posts.

Anyway, just putting it out there, I'm starting to see Voted less and less as Town. Obv I won't vote him right now (plus not yet convinced Salad is just a noob Town), but putting it out there that I'm standing behind the (probable) lynch as well.

CCCCCCCCombo breaker. Seems like Datisi sees Voted as non town and is ok with that lynch. I do see what she's saying with the vague SE posts.
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I'd put Datisi as a pretty strong townlean for now because we're basically 90% identical in our thought process about how the day has gone.

[thenavneet]

While I don't agree with everything Clarity's said, it's all pretty well within the range of what I'd expect her to be saying and doing. Helps that I've known her for several years offsite.

Is this the first this has come up?

I believe so and it slightly changes my stance on MKM trying to pocket CC.

[thenavneet]

Hey where is everyone

[thenavneet]

Yeah I need to re-read as well. Still need to ISO TTTT and RCE

Hey TTTT why'd you ask RCE about the NK

[thenavneet]

Not a fan of the vagueness from the SEs. But a salad claim pushed the game forward so

VOTE: Saladman27

[thenavneet]

You should claim after you self vote once

[thenavneet]

JK don't do that

[thenavneet]

Claim now Saladboy72

[thenavneet]

What's the record for how many times a person has been prodded in one game

[thenavneet]

I'm actually at a block because I don't know how to analyze this. No hammer on salad means he's either scum or both scum are in his wagon already. However 2 of 3 voters were nonvoters day 1.

Salad!Scum would mean CC is probably the partner but I'm fairly confident there is 1 between datisi/navneet. TTTT is locktown to me based on the nightkill.

I don't have much outside of that.

I definitely disagree with there being a scum in Datisi and I since she's basically my strongest townread atm so I'll need to ask for elaborations on this from you

[thenavneet]

Because 3 of the 5 votes are cleared or dead unless what I and TTTT picked up on was completely accidental. So CC+Salad or the wagon was 1 on 1 off.

I can't assume both cases simultaneously.

This would be a good time to elaborate on what it is that you picked up so that we can also get an idea. Rn it feels like standing outside a really fancy college party as freshman while the SEniors do shots and beer pong inside

[thenavneet]

Live look of this day

[thenavneet]

I promise not to rush.

I promise the opposite

Or do I

[thenavneet]

Live look of this day

you do realize you are the most likely lynch today right?
If you're town plz make it obv

Yes I realize that. I'm not too worried though. This is going to be a great day.

[thenavneet]

Interesting

[thenavneet]

Yes I realize that. I'm not too worried though. This is going to be a great day.

who are your TRs?

Datisi is still my strongest TR and I'm going to go ahead and

lockTown

her since that seems to be a thing we are doing

As to the other one, I really WANT it to be you. But I'm not committing yet.

[thenavneet]

Yes I realize that. I'm not too worried though. This is going to be a great day.

who are your TRs?

Datisi is still my strongest TR and I'm going to go ahead and

lockTown

her since that seems to be a thing we are doing

As to the other one, I really WANT it to be you. But I'm not committing yet.

MJL-Clarity is not the direction I thought today would go
but I'm listening...

I'm curious why you lockTown'd MJL

[thenavneet]

Also really wanna hear from Datisi.

In the meantime I'll go back and check through anything asked of me during the last day phase since I was pretty much out of it

[thenavneet]

I'm curious why you lockTown'd MJL

"pretty much locktowning"
mostly based on MKM's play

Got it. That helps me a lot actually.

[thenavneet]

I'm here ofc

[thenavneet]

I'm here ofc

yeah that doesn't prove much
lol

And here I thought it would put us in the complete clear partner. Drats!

[thenavneet]

So that little sequence of events pretty much confirms a scum team of MJL and CC for me.

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UNVOTE: ClearlyClarity

So, VOTE: MKM, do you have same reads on sameone else than me or Salad?

Town: Clarity
Townlean: Datisi, TTTT as of this last page
Idk: Everyone who I don't mention
Frustrating: Salad
Scumlean: Voted

I'm not so hot on you right now Voted, because something about the way you respond to getting wagoned seems inorganic and more focused on staying alive than trying to figure people out.

I actually fundamentally disagree with this. A disengaged player, town or scum, hurts the game state. He's an easy push for scum to make if he is town and remains this way. Better to sort that early imo.

To clarify, I'm not particularly opposed to a Salad lynch at this point in time, and I overall agree with you here and with the post you made earlier. Part of the reason I wasn't enthusiastic about it at the time was the thought that I'd have trouble sorting people afterward if Salad flipped town.

Did you explain your reasons of townlean on CC. Doesn't have to be today just curious.

I didn't, but I can. While I don't agree with everything Clarity's said, it's all pretty well within the range of what I'd expect her to be saying and doing. Helps that I've known her for several years offsite.

While I don't agree with everything Clarity's said, it's all pretty well within the range of what I'd expect her to be saying and doing. Helps that I've known her for several years offsite.

Is this the first this has come up?

Yep. I won't claim to be able to read her particularly well or anything since this is only our second game together, but the fact that her tone's hasn't thrown up any red flags for me counts as a plus in my book.

As an example, I didn't agree with her suspicion of Navneet based on that back-and-forth with RCE earlier, but it reminded me a lot of something she did as town in our other newbie game together.

MKM had CC as a town lean for pretty much the whole time He was here.
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who are you leaning as the team?

Clearly Clarity. No team yet. My slot was suspicious of her and it came out that they know each other very well off the forum. He may have seen something in her posts that is a tell for him.

MJL posts this which is pretty much in direct contradiction to that.
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I think it's MJL and CC as the scum team and their play was to distance from each other a bit while pushing for my lynch here today.

CC has done nothing but zero in on me for the past few days. Probably because I'm an easy lynch to push activity wise. I'm pretty sure I see what MJL is setting up for with her posts so far today. It's a bold move for sure but yeah they're both pretty much lockScum for me at this point (is that a thing?)

TTTT, I'm declaring intent to vote MJL/CC today and no one else

[thenavneet]

These violent delights have violent ends, MJL

[thenavneet]

Where'd everyone go

[thenavneet]

What holiday?

[thenavneet]

What holiday?

Passover and Easter are both coming up. Take your pick.

Bunnies it is!

I'm not a wine guy (or an alcohol guy for that matter) but I hope you have a fine evening!

[thenavneet]

Yeah take your time Datisi. I feel pretty certain you'll see what I see.

[thenavneet]

still I don't think RCE would be a bad investigative tonight if salad is green
if salad is red maybe Clarity or Nav

Are you facepalming yourself or the one who did the investigating

[thenavneet]

What holiday?

Passover and Easter are both coming up. Take your pick.

Bunnies it is!

I'm not a wine guy (or an alcohol guy for that matter) but I hope you have a fine evening!

Bunnies it is! Happy Easter, my frenemy. I'll vote to lynch you on Monday.

Can't wait!

[thenavneet]

it was bad advice in retrospect
maybe it was ignored

Almost definitely was

[thenavneet]

That was funny ngl

[thenavneet]

^unfortunate page top there

[thenavneet]

Both MJL's and Nav's posts feel like they're setting up for me as the lynch but nav is the only one I feel confident about

His posts D3 (increased frequency & change to a more confident tonality) have been giving me off vibes

CC has done nothing but zero in on me for the past few days. Probably because I'm an easy lynch to push activity wise. I'm pretty sure I see what MJL is setting up for with her posts so far today. It's a bold move for sure but yeah they're both pretty much lockScum for me at this point (is that a thing?)

How does pressuring you make me lockscum? Or make MJL lockscum for that matter?

Pressuring me doesn't inherently make you look scum. Pressuring JUST me though. That's dodgy.

LockScum from my POV btw. There is a very clear reason for my change in confidence and tonality.

G2H I'd lynch MJL today before you but given that I'm fairly certain you're both scum I won't be too picky about it.

[thenavneet]

@NAV
I'm not sure we can progress much more without you explicitly stating the guilty on Clarity that you've been hinting at
you should go ahead and out
if you are just faking for reactions out that too plz

Funny story.

My guilty isn't on Clarity.

[thenavneet]

Man you really wanna ruin my theatrics don't you!

Yes I am Town Cop with a Guilty on MJL.

Let's dance!

[thenavneet]

And I was roleblocked on Night 1

Pedit: It was MKM lol

[thenavneet]

I had a sort of winky post directed towards MKM during D1 which I was hoping got picked up on if I was Night killed.

[thenavneet]

MKM is next
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I feel like hardly anybody's interacted with me so far, and it's making me lonely

heyo. I'll be interacting with you a lot more on D2 methinks. Assuming we're both alive ofc. Which I have hunch we will be
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This one.

[thenavneet]

This one.

how do you feel about me beating you to your own post?

I would lynch you for it on any other day!

[thenavneet]

Well I did not expect that

MJL

yeah I don't think Datisi/MJL works as the scum team
Datisi did not need to CC there to secure a win
risk/reward doesn't make sense from scum POV

Well if you do lynch me they ... secure a win. So uhhh. Does make sense?

I'm genuinely surprised at it being Datisi though.

[thenavneet]

Huh that's supposed to be a vote not a URL

VOTE: MJL

[thenavneet]

Well if you do lynch me they ... secure a win. So uhhh. Does make sense?

it maybe makes sense if MJL is RBer and Datisi is goon
but MJL is not RBer with that cop soft day1
if they are the scumteam the goon is the one who should lay the groundwork for the fakeclaim
(kinda like you did)

I don't see why it matters who is which role here today? It's MyLo and if you lynch a Townie, they win. Once Datisi saw me catching MJL all she had to do was CC and you'd believe her. Which is what happened.

[thenavneet]

Huh that's supposed to be a vote not a URL

VOTE: MJL

Next time you try this, I think you should put the guilty on your partner. It's pretty late in the game and if you'd fingered your partner (fingered! ) you could have gained town cred when we saw a nice red flip.

I legit thought this is what you were doing with CC lmao. But apparently you had better ideas!

[thenavneet]

Welp.

GG scum well played

[thenavneet]

Sorry for not being able to convince you TTTT. I wish I could have been around more on D2 but alas. See you next game!

[thenavneet]

Woo! now we just need to not mess up tomorrow!

... Unless Naveet was lying about his power role in the first place, in which case he lost town the game. Then it will lesson learned.

You mean "unless Nav is a VT lying about being Cop for the lulz"? Because we pretty much established he's lying.

I would do this on D2 maybe. Not in MyLo

[thenavneet]

I was very annoyed at myself when I fake claimed Cop instead of Tracker like I had originally planned. But yeah not hitting a PR in the night really hurt us. With 2 PRs still in play at Final 5 I thought it was all or nothing at that point so I went YOLO mode. Really fun game to play! Thanks for hosting Micc