Newbie 1924 - Game Over

[MaryJoLisa]

*reading*

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh, almost forgot:

Hey guys!

[MaryJoLisa]

MaryJoLisa’s Day 1 Reviewapalooza!

Spoiler: Part 1

Hello, I am Voted and I am shy.

I am too. I'm sure I'm in good company, though.

I'm bummed that none of the newbies had newbscum intros
crossing my fingers for MafiaCiv!

Shame that you rolled Scum :<

That’s not too far off for TTTT

Claiming Hound of the Baskervilles

Vote: VOTE: MKM
I CC! The claim is fake!

No, we actually are Hound of the Baskervilles. I didn’t know they let those roles in the newbie games, so it was a pleasant surprise when I opened my PM.

Hey, sorry I'm late! Didn't expect to get into a game this fast. I'm ready for the exciting ball of electricity.
Also, VOTE: Vedith, for trying to put me under pressure. I see you.

Oh, I really like you. I think you might have rolled scum this game, but I like you anyways.
We’ll see, we’ll see.

Voted, if you call me locktown I'll defend you here. \o/

What does "locktown" mean?

It’s a signal word for false confidence. (I see that the players already explained it properly to you)

I'm scum.

April Fools!

I believe you!

Idk what to think about speculation over who Voted's hypothetical scumbuddy would be, other than that it all kinda evaporates if you allow for the possibility that Scum!Voted isn't Level 0 scum. Based on my one entire game of experience on this website, I'm more inclined to see getting antsy during RVS as a non-tell though.
Vote's staying on Clarity until I find a good home for it or she talks more.

Oh shit. My slot’s suspicious of Clarity. Okay, I’ll take that under advisement.

Fair assessment, I'd like other slots to speak their opinion on voted.

I’m seeing him as town. Wonder what you’re seeing.

Vote's staying on Clarity until I find a good home for it or she talks more.

Go heck yourself

She’s adorable! I’m not ready to scum read her yet.

{TTTT}
{Voted}

I actually like this part. \o/

I didn’t.

Spoiler: Part 2

As for Voted, not finding their actions as definitely scummy, but not necessarily town either. (Would that be a non-tell?)

Interesting...

Waitaminute. Yes, very interesting. Very interesting indeed.

Vegetables are neat

I like kale. I like vegetables in general.

Fair assessment, I'd like other slots to speak their opinion on voted.

Because of this. I figured "slots" referred to other players. If that's not it and I misunderstood it, my bad.

Oh, this explains it. Yes, it’s called NAI.

@Saladman
They are very eager to lynch me and I don't like it. My only survival chance is to find sameone scummier than me. You haven't posted anything relevant yet, so I will try to push you to see if you don't slid. I haven't done samething similar before and I am sorry if I overdo it / mess it up.

What the hell is this?

What *is* this??

Why is no one else other than my own slot paying attention to this post? This could reasonably be seen as a mispost that was intended for the mafia thread.

@Saladman
They are very eager to lynch me and I don't like it. My only survival chance is to find sameone scummier than me. You haven't posted anything relevant yet, so I will try to push you to see if you don't slid. I haven't done samething similar before and I am sorry if I overdo it / mess it up.

Not getting a great vibe off this post

Understable. I don't want to make him look like scum. I merely wish to give him possibility to make himself look like scum.

At the end of the day, you will lynch the most scummy player. Why to wait passivly for this privilege, while I can increase the pool of active players, players you can find scummy?


And yes, I am selfish and would be happier if you lynched random other player than me. Unless he would be PR or good scum reader or not scummy at all.

No. I’m not buying this answer.

Spoiler: Part 3

Well salad is voting me and I'm voting you. What do you think of that? Why do you think I'm still scumreading you? If you were in my shoes do you think you would be reading your slot as town?

Salad is random voting you so it has no weight. You are voting me either because you think that I am scum or because you want to test me. Or both.

I don't know why everyone scum reads me. In every game. Would love to know. Probably because of my inability to make constructive early in game and my strange sense of humour.

I wasn’t scum reading you at the beginning!

Was the text in your role pm red?

Can I ask for explanation? Scum roles are PMed in red?

Oh boy.

I don't know why everyone scum reads me. In every game. Would love to know. Probably because of my inability to make constructive early in game and my strange sense of humour.

IMO, your reaction in 137 and

your eagerness to push a claim on D1

, three days into the topic, makes you seem kinda sus.

Could be just inexperience though. I've been there.

I still am there.

I am almost sure it doesn't, but if this vote hammers Saladman, just don't count it (if it is possible?).
I am aware of fact that I am joining a wagoon on him.
VOTE: Saladman

Putting Saladman in L-1

If you are a PR, would be nice if you tried to defend yourself before revealing.

*****************************************************************


I think it is obvious! He is a scum doing tactic - if I don't post anything, they can't find me scummy! He even haven't joined any vote wagoons!

Vegetables are neat
Inspiring little lad anxious Saladman is sad
Cause his votecount is three
And that is very bad
VOTE: RCEnigma No true buddy/friend would call their friendship a deal.

This is not a reason! We are already out of RVS! Do you have

any

kind of reads?

If you are unsure, start with me, my posts have usually slight scummy flavour (knowing from ToS) so it should be easier. I guess.

Don't want to make him claim. I just want to make him give ammo for scum readers.

So may I ask why you aren’t trying to play to wincon?
Your gambit to frame salad isn’t going to do anything if you announce what it is.

Yup yup!

Spoiler: Part 4

My guess is that she believed you were trying to frame him and push a lynch rather than make him talk. The former is scummy.

Very scummy.

People I wouldn't lynch as of now are TTTT and Vedith. TTTT because this gamestate is progressing at glacial pace and from what I've seen of him activity wise he makes his presence count. Vedith for entertainment factor because his presence will hopefully lead to me being more motivated to catch up more often. Pretty much anyone else is fair game.

EBWOP Add Datisi to the list of people I wouldn't lynch today. Succinct and to the point. I like her posts.

Yup, coming around to your way of thinking.

So salad + nav were already on the wagon when Vedith backed off voted to join mine and TTTT backed off Voted soon after. Only recently did he rejoin voted. I don't think it's to frame me on a town voted flip.

If that's the case he could have done the same with Voted/salad to set voted up day 2. Salad is looking like the compromise lynch right now and scum could use that if both salad and voted are town to chain Lynch.

I think I’ll sheep you if I get lost and confused. Please don’t turn out to be scum.

This will be the last time I comment on it.

The chance that you rolled scum is the same that anyone else rolled scum. 1 of 8. That's what I meant with my original statement and clarification.

I have indeed rolled scum twice before this. I actually have rolled town once as well but I went inactive in that game. I was Town Doctor too and I had never been Town Doc before and was super excited to try it out. But stuff happened and I didn't have time to post here. C'est la vie.

I'm sensing that you are slightly frustrated that I haven't moved my RVS vote. Which is fair I get that. I did state earlier that I thought your interaction with saladman seemed slightly SvS and seemed like you were coaching him. Ironically enough you have put forth a similar hypothesis about Voted and their scum partner being an SE coaching them to defend themselves. Which is interesting. Is it out of the realm of possibility that scum!RCE is pushing a noob scum + SE coach scum narrative because subconsciously he knows that's the case? Food for thought!

You come off as kind of defensive here.

I've already said I'll ignore it. However, if you yourself aren't scum then 2 of the other 8 slots are. A random vote to start the day is more likely to land on town than scum and you haven't done anything to slim those numbers down so to think that your Rand vote landed on scum is poor reasoning.

It wasn't a big deal, but you felt the need to justify that slip, then made it seem as though RCE was pushing it.

See! I told you guys that Clearly isn’t scum! I agree with all of this.

Spoiler: Part 5

Btw, @Clarity, what is your opinion on Salad, if I may ask? I'm kinda curious.

Still needs to post more.

Townreading him rn

Oh. Hrm. I thought we were on the same page here. I’m scum reading Salad. You’re town reading him?

I feel like hardly anybody's interacted with me so far, and it's making me lonely

That's cause you're scum

Nuh uh.

And Voted/Salad as the Scum team isn't something I'm against.

Why's that? I'm skeptical that they'd have ended up in a 1V1 so early on if so

I guess that could kind of explain Voted's awkward 137 but that's the only real thing I can think of offhand

Yeah 137 is a huge problem for me. It sure looks a lot like SvS and an accidental mispost. In fact, if there was another scum team, I’d think they’d leap on that post as an opportunity to draw fire away from them.

Sigh. I have a feeling that if Salad were scum, he would be more agressive than he is now. He would defend himself more. With Salad failing as a substitutional lynch for me, I will have to find out sameone else.

So, VOTE: MKM, do you have same reads on sameone else than me or Salad?

Uhm, yeah no.

Ok so there is now a mechanical reason TTTT and voted are not together that we can talk about tomorrow. Siri remind me.

Okay. Reminding you tomorrow to talk about the mechanical reason TTTT and voted are not together.

Yay, I made it to the frustrating rank! Props to me, for being the worst mafia player on this forum!

No, no, no. Don’t say that. Whether you’re scum or town, you’ve been trying to play the hand you’ve been dealt the best you can. Nothing wrong with that! Newbie games are for making mistakes and not having people threaten to policy lynch you over them. Just learn from this game and try to improve.

Spoiler: Part 6

I got too anxious and I skipped to the end of day to see the flip. Now I know who swung that night and who got NKed. I’d have voted for Voted as well. He was the logical pick if not Saladman.

[MaryJoLisa]

Mary!

I'm glad to see you!

Oh, almost forgot:

Hey guys!

doesn't count
has to be in your first post
besides that tell doesn't apply to your meta

[MaryJoLisa]

Maybe SE's should start explaining what they see, this is becoming more and more confusing for me

Agree.

[MaryJoLisa]

Maybe SE's should start explaining what they see, this is becoming more and more confusing for me

So basically, Voted did this thing in post 137 that kind of surprised me because it looked like he was either sending his scum buddy a message in the wrong window, or he was looking to cast shade on Saladman (still as though he was scum). No one was really standing out for me until post 137.

Voted went into defense mode and he tried to shake the wagon off him. I believed he was scum, and that if he had an experienced partner, then that partner would be coaching him on how to move the wagon onto someone else. This reinforced the Saladman!Scum narrative in my mind because Saladman wouldn’t be in a position to give that much coaching. Also, I think Saladman's entrance may have read like there was some tension there. Maybe like he was nervous and trying to act natural (or maybe he's just new here and trying to get a lay of the land).

Saladman was asked for some reads, but he floundered with that. The only thing is that I didn’t see any SEs model a reads list up until that point. RCE had the best version, which was really just an ordered list.

I have to finish reading days 1 and 2 and then I’ll give my reads.

[MaryJoLisa]

I wanted to play the game. I got impatient, though.

[MaryJoLisa]

@Datisi would you mind terribly removing your vote from Saladman? Just for the time being. I have had bad experiences with accidental hammers (and on purpose hammers as well). You can always put it right back.

[MaryJoLisa]

to be 100% clear
I'm TRing your slot
but that Reviewapalooza post isn't sitting well

That's fine. I am what I am.

[MaryJoLisa]

UNVOTE: Salad
No problem. I still find him scummy though :p

I think the vote belongs on Salad, but I haven't finished reading and I want to give him a fair shake before someone hammers.

@MJL
why'd you decide to read and post thoughts without looking at the flips first?

I wanted to play the game. I got impatient, though.

ok
but why not click on the dead players spoiler in the opening post
to help guide your thinking as you review?
what is the benefit of going in blind when replacing in on day2?

I can do that after I do an uninformed read through and get authentic first impressions.

That's fine. I am what I am.

don't ever forget who was your 1st BFF

You were!

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm killing you tonight for that comment alone.

I think we both know who the nk is and it isn't me.

was thinking of this and other stuff
hint: the Vedith NK points to a RBer

RBer? What's that?

[MaryJoLisa]

UNVOTE: Salad
No problem. I still find him scummy though :p

Okay, actually I got there a lot faster than I expected. Everything is pretty well laid out in the material that's been posted already.

I'm good with a salad vote. He's already claimed, he's left his reads list. Are we ready to hammer then?

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: Saladman

[MaryJoLisa]

Come on now, TTTT.

[MaryJoLisa]

@MJL
why'd you decide to read and post thoughts without looking at the flips first?

I wanted to play the game. I got impatient, though.

ok
but why not click on the dead players spoiler in the opening post
to help guide your thinking as you review?
what is the benefit of going in blind when replacing in on day2?

I can do that after I do an uninformed read through and get authentic first impressions.

how about now?

I haven't finished reading all together, but I'm satisfied about Saladman.

What's your take on RCEnigma, TTTT?

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: Saladman

TTTT, are you gonna change your vote back?

Come on now, TTTT.

why the rush?

Saladman gave his read 2.5 days ago and the game hasn't progressed since then. Is there reason to think it will suddenly progress now?

[MaryJoLisa]

UNVOTE: Salad
No problem. I still find him scummy though :p

Okay, actually I got there a lot faster than I expected. Everything is pretty well laid out in the material that's been posted already.

I'm good with a salad vote. He's already claimed, he's left his reads list. Are we ready to hammer then?

Is it just me, or did this seem to imply that you've read through everything?

I have read through everything, though it's entirely possible that absorbing +500 posts in half a day may have resulted in nuances being unnoticed, I have, nevertheless, read everything.

[MaryJoLisa]

@TTTT, I haven't got much conviction. Maybe I'd be of more help if i understood what you and RCE keep hushing between yourselves, but for what it's worth, RCE is convinced Voted wagon was 1 on 1 off, therefore me and Nav can't both be scum

Your conviction isn't as important as your thoughts. And it's totally okay to be flat wrong with these things.

[MaryJoLisa]

MJL can we get a readslist before a quick hammer can happen?

Yes, I will do that. I'll need some time to do it up properly.

[MaryJoLisa]

Town:

ClearlyClarity is cautious, and voting with her gut. I think she’s taking stabs in the dark and scum!Clarity would stab with more precision. (unless she’s scum in which case her stabs in the dark are staged!)

Town:

TTTT is conducting himself as his usual self and I see he’s putting out tests and feelers to try to indirectly get reads on people. Scum!TTTT would already know who’s who.

Provisional Town:

Datisi seems like she’s genuinely new, she’s genuinely feeling the game out and I think if she was scum, she’d be getting coached behind the scenes. I see no reason to be suspicious here with the information I have on hand.

Possible Scum:

thenavneet can be scum but I’m seeing a stronger case for Saladman. Really, thenaveet is on the edges of my radar at the moment because I’m more focused on RCE and Saladman.

Possible Scum:

RCEnigma has some interactions with Saladman that I wasn’t too keen on. Would RCE and Saladman distance themselves in RVS by voting for each other? I didn't like the foreshadowing with the Vedith NK. Newbscum wouldn't know to vote for Vedith. I also don't like the mechanical town read on TTTT. Looked like trying to gain towncred to me. Looking back on it, these reads seem odd. TTTT and Voted are scummy and Saladman (Saladfinger?) is null. It doesn't sit right with me.

Rough early reads would be something like:

{Kobe beef, CC}
{Vedith, datisi}
{Saladfinger}
{TTTT}
{Voted}

No context.

Oh, but RCEnigma, I've seen your username popping up around the forum so it's nice to finally meet you!

Scum:

Saladman27 is not putting a lot of effort forward in the game. I would like to think that if RCEnigma was a scum partner to Saladman that he’d be coaching Saladman much better than this (which opens the door to a newb partner if Salad flips red). Ultimately, 3 other people had their vote on Salad when I got here, he’s been sitting at L-1 for days, no counter wagon has emerged, and when I joined the group, no one unvoted knowing that I could come in and hammer any time I wanted. I think everyone on that wagon is town. 3 people in this group were already pretty sure it’s Saladman and that carries a lot of weight with me. I’ve been here half a day and I’m about to eclipse him in post counts. So yeah. Scum read.

[MaryJoLisa]

I should clarify my reads: *If* Saladman flips red, everyone on that wagon is town. Even TTTT who unvoted, but I think that was just one of his TTTTests. He had plenty of time to unvote earlier.

[MaryJoLisa]

So whenever you're ready, then. I manage to mess up these vote counts a lot, but I think we're waiting on either you or TTTT to hammer. Or clearly clarity.

[MaryJoLisa]

I wonder why TTTT did put his vote back on Saladman.

What should be the plan is Salad flips green?

[MaryJoLisa]

If Salad flips green, I think that clears TTTT (not that I'm suspecting him anyway), because Scum!TTTT should have been happy for me to hammer a vote on a green slot.

[MaryJoLisa]

I wonder why TTTT *didn't* put his vote back on Saladman.

What should be the plan *if* Salad flips green?

Edited by way of post. Sloppy.

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm here.

[MaryJoLisa]

Because I think we've got scum in our hands.

[MaryJoLisa]

I give you Newbie 1915 day 2.

I favor 24-36 hour days.

[MaryJoLisa]

like what do you think of RCE pushing a Nav lynch as the counterwagon to Salad
but then jumping on that chance to lynch Salad
I even moved my vote to Nav

I *think* RCE rolled scum this game. I'll read through it again, but my feeling was that the Nav wagon was a distraction to the saladman wagon, and he figured he could gain town cred for voting for Salad.

[MaryJoLisa]

Can you flesh that out for me?

[MaryJoLisa]

MJL you never explained why you didn't read the spoilers before starting your game-read

I think I did in post #550.

@MJL
why'd you decide to read and post thoughts without looking at the flips first?

I wanted to play the game. I got impatient, though.

ok
but why not click on the dead players spoiler in the opening post
to help guide your thinking as you review?
what is the benefit of going in blind when replacing in on day2?

I can do that after I do an uninformed read through and get authentic first impressions.

To clarify, I just wanted to read through the game and get a feel for everyone in the order I would have gotten if I'd been playing the game from the start. I wanted to see who I was jibing with. And also this is the first game I've replaced into where the slot has actually been played, so I'm embarking in new waters. It may take several different approaches before I find a method that fits me best. This was the method I chose for this game.

[MaryJoLisa]

Town: ClearlyClarity is cautious, and voting with her gut. I think she’s taking stabs in the dark and scum!Clarity would stab with more precision. (unless she’s scum in which case her stabs in the dark are staged!)

Town: TTTT is conducting himself as his usual self and I see he’s putting out tests and feelers to try to indirectly get reads on people. Scum!TTTT would already know who’s who.

which of these two TRs ranks higher?
I'm assuming Clarity unless you say otherwise

Close to the same if I'm taking you both at face value from the information that has been presented to me. I can see accepting a scum case on her more readily than I can a scum case on you.

[MaryJoLisa]

TTTT should be townreading me for the same reasons I'm townreading him based on the gamestate day 1 and 2 but I think he's out gaming himself based on his perception of the setup.

Tomorrow we can massclaim and it should be pretty clear what's going on.

I look forward to seeing that, and you will find that my mind is wide open to the possibilities of you being town, pending Saladman's flip.

[MaryJoLisa]

I think so, yeah.

[MaryJoLisa]

Awww. I hope I get the chance to see you again. Assuming that you are actually lynched and that I haven't miscounted the votes (which trust me, does happen quite a lot with me.)

[MaryJoLisa]

While it's still twilight, give us some good reads to go by so we can catch the real scum. Even if you're wrong or you're not feeling sure, just tell us what you think and why you think it.

Your avatar is great.

[MaryJoLisa]

I think scum's using my lynch to get cred and seem like a good townie for voting the obvious scum even when I flip green.

Okay good. Who are you most suspicious of?

[MaryJoLisa]

I promise not to rush.

[MaryJoLisa]

who are you leaning as the team?

Clearly Clarity. No team yet. My slot was suspicious of her and it came out that they know each other very well off the forum. He may have seen something in her posts that is a tell for him.

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm pretty much locktowning you MJL
let's do this.

I am not ready to locktown you, but you're pretty close. Let's do this!

[MaryJoLisa]

Clarity if you are town and scum coordinates a mislynch off your vote I will blacklist you for all eternity

No you will not!

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm really enjoying these machinations, thenavneet.

[MaryJoLisa]

Where'd everyone go

I'm here. I'm doing dishes and shit off screen. Also, my pre-holiday preparations involve wine consumption.

[MaryJoLisa]

What holiday?

Passover and Easter are both coming up. Take your pick.

[MaryJoLisa]

We're not rushing, so you've got time. Rest well.

[MaryJoLisa]

What holiday?

Passover and Easter are both coming up. Take your pick.

Bunnies it is!

I'm not a wine guy (or an alcohol guy for that matter) but I hope you have a fine evening!

Bunnies it is! Happy Easter, my frenemy. I'll vote to lynch you on Monday.

[MaryJoLisa]

who are you leaning as the team?

Clearly Clarity. No team yet. My slot was suspicious of her and it came out that they know each other very well off the forum. He may have seen something in her posts that is a tell for him.

Yeah, but that was before I indulged in some pre-Easter chardonnay and also before thenavneet started scum reading me.

Clearly Clarity is still my top scum read independent of my recent interactions with thenavneet, though.

And you, TTTT, still need to formally take back your threat to blacklist Clearly over a possibly-newbie error in judgement.

[MaryJoLisa]

Formally take it back.

Yes, top SR. I'd vote Clarity if the day was ending in 10 minutes.

[MaryJoLisa]

Thank you.

[MaryJoLisa]

go back and read MJL'S twilight reaction...

While it's still twilight, give us some good reads to go by so we can catch the real scum. Even if you're wrong or you're not feeling sure, just tell us what you think and why you think it.

Your avatar is great.

compared to Datisi's reaction 2 posts prior...

No matter what you flip now, don't give up on the game. We're here to learn, the next one will be better.

@MJL
why the assumption of a town flip?
he did kinda hint at it but it wasn't 100% clear

Sorry, I must withhold. That's a trade secret. If you were to search, you would find a consistent trend all my games, though.

[MaryJoLisa]

Formally take it back.

Yes, top SR. I'd vote Clarity if the day was ending in 10 minutes.

What happened to being your top townread only two posts before in your ISO?

That's gone now. I'm sorry. Salad and also RCE both flipped green, so those reads had to go in the trash. I have to wonder if you rolled scum this game. If you did, I'm honor bound to lynch you for the scum that you are, but I will happy play another game with you in the future even if that's the case. Hugs!

[MaryJoLisa]

Lockscum? I didn't use those words.

[MaryJoLisa]

go back and read MJL'S twilight reaction...

While it's still twilight, give us some good reads to go by so we can catch the real scum. Even if you're wrong or you're not feeling sure, just tell us what you think and why you think it.

Your avatar is great.

compared to Datisi's reaction 2 posts prior...

No matter what you flip now, don't give up on the game. We're here to learn, the next one will be better.

@MJL
why the assumption of a town flip?
he did kinda hint at it but it wasn't 100% clear

Sorry, I must withhold. That's a trade secret. If you were to search, you would find a consistent trend all my games, though.

a consistent trend of you knowing a player's alignment pre-flip?
No, you need a better explanation than "trade secret"

Once he was lynched, he sounded like someone who had legitimately been mislynched. but I didn't know with certainty that that was the case. Going into the lynch, I was 99.9% certain he was scum. I mean, all the scum-signals were there: disengaged from the conversation, not doing a lot of scum hunting, claiming VT (nice safe roll for newbscum to choose), and there was a sense of giving up like he'd been caught and he had no defense for it. I saw these things in Saladman.

In twilight, he seemed genuine in his reaction. I take people at face value and grain of salt when I can make a case that they're probably telling the truth, but may possibly still be lying. I figured if he *was* town, he might as well get out what he wanted to say for future consideration.

I was gobsmacked that he flipped green.

[MaryJoLisa]

How is him claiming VT a scum-sign? I understand new players might not realize it, but since it was highly likely we were going to lynch him anyway, wouldn't a scum-sign be claiming a PR to get them to cc? Besides, at the time you thought RCE was scum, if he were scum alongside Salad wouldn't he instruct him to claim PR?

I think that would be an educated scum move, but a newbie-to-the-game may be more inclined to play it safe. I would play it safe. I got the impression that Saladman may not have a lot of experience with FM in general. I suggested in my reads list that if he was scum and RCE was his partner, that I would have expected better coaching.

[MaryJoLisa]

love it
MJL?

Do you want a full role claim from me now?

[MaryJoLisa]

Understood. Nav?

[MaryJoLisa]

@MJL
full claim role please

Vanilla Town.

[MaryJoLisa]

I was waiting for your ok because you said to take it slow.

VOTE: thenavneet

[MaryJoLisa]

And yes, thenaveet is definitely scum.

[MaryJoLisa]

Actually, I'm vanilla town.

[MaryJoLisa]

UNVOTE: Naveet

[MaryJoLisa]

It's an impossible combination?

[MaryJoLisa]

Naveet is definitely lying.

[MaryJoLisa]

yeah
one of Nav and Datisi is scum
and one of Nav and MJL is scum
I mean it's possible the team is MJL/Datisi
but odds are it's Nav who's lying

Just so you know, TTTT, I'm not voting for anyone other than Naveet. We can take our time, but he's definitively outed himself from my POV. My vote can only go to him.

[MaryJoLisa]

The scum team from my POV is clearly clarity and Naveet. We can deal with clearly clarity in the next day phase.

[MaryJoLisa]

I feel like hardly anybody's interacted with me so far, and it's making me lonely

Hey, I feel the same way! Let's interact!

So... With all the Salad/Voted/RCE votes going on, you never changed your vote. Are you thinking about changing it? What made you stick?

Hi!

I don't really like to move my vote unless I feel I've found a good spot for it or if there's some other sensible reason. Only time I really felt motivated to vote was on Voted earlier on, but they were already at L-2 when I got home from work that night and my read on Voted's only weakened since then.

Not super jazzed about the Salad wagon right now since regardless of alignment, he does just seem disengaged from what's going on right now. There's some sense in pushing it in order to try to motivate him more and flesh out proper reads, but I'm skeptical that it'll accomplish much. That's why I tried to talk to Salad earlier, because

I got the sense they'd respond better to a good cop kinda approach.

At the moment I'm trying to figure out how I feel about the SEs, and my gut's telling me that should be my highest priority.

I would never have picked up on that cue.

[MaryJoLisa]

Huh that's supposed to be a vote not a URL

VOTE: MJL

Next time you try this, I think you should put the guilty on your partner. It's pretty late in the game and if you'd fingered your partner (fingered! ) you could have gained town cred when we saw a nice red flip.

[MaryJoLisa]

So according to Nav, we can only be in setup A.

[MaryJoLisa]

Am I allowed to speculate about why MKM might have repped out of the game?

[MaryJoLisa]

I'll play it safe and keep my thoughts to myself.

[MaryJoLisa]

Alright, here we go then. I'm the Jailkeeper.

Datisi do you understand exactly how that chart of roles works? I don't want to ask you to believe in something if you have any doubt in your mind in you confidence in the game setup.

Let's assume you understand. If that's the case and you know for sure you're the jailkeeper, then you know with absolute certainty that jailkeeper and cop aren't in the same game. In that case, your vote should be on Naveet and only Naveet.

I know with absolute certainty that I'm VT and that Naveet is lying with a guilty claim on me. My vote should be on Naveet and only Naveet.

We need three votes to lynch and two votes should only be on Naveet and not anyone else.

Little friendly tip: If you don't understand how that role chart works, ask @Mod for a clear explanation. That's basic setup information that I cannot imagine Micc would not be willing to further explain especially considering that an explanation is already provided in the OP. Get the straight story from the mod, then go place your vote where you think it belongs.

[MaryJoLisa]

@MJL
Datisi is voting Nav in spirit

Yeah, pretend I'm voting him rn

Okay, but TTTT, when I said I wasn't going to vote very soon, that was before Naveet dove head first into the role-claim game.

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: thenavneet

[MaryJoLisa]

We'll be sure to vote Clarity.

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm pretty sure Datisi and I are on the same page here. If she's telling the truth, she knows Naveet is lying. If you're NKed, that can only leave Clarity.

So "we" is appropriate.

[MaryJoLisa]

MJL-Datisi makes sense if MJL is RBer
Datisi would have to jump in and CC Nav
but Nav coming out claiming cop with a guilty is so obvscum as he was the lynch today anyway

Datisi cannot put our vote anywhere else other than Naveet.

[MaryJoLisa]

Wait. TTTT help me understand this.

If Datisi is the jailkeeper, the safest move is to jail Clarity tonight, right?

[MaryJoLisa]

TTTT did you claim a role yet?

[MaryJoLisa]

In every other game, I read all the way through day one before the moderator flips the lynched player. I like the reveal. I like seeing if I guessed correctly.

For whatever it's worth, I did read the reveals before I posted my review.

[MaryJoLisa]

ok

I stated as much in the thread. Spoiler 6. I cheated and jumped ahead. After the game, would you please explain to me why trying to give the thread an authentic read-through is a problem?

[MaryJoLisa]

Datisi, I think it's safe for you to place your vote, but I can respect why you might want TTTT's clearance first. He's kind of the defacto town-leader.

[MaryJoLisa]

Woo! now we just need to not mess up tomorrow!

... Unless Naveet was lying about his power role in the first place, in which case he lost town the game. Then it will lesson learned.

[MaryJoLisa]

I though Datisi's "cheers" was a scumclaim
don't go to bed we need answers!

Luckily I'm a phone addict who can't sleep without checking everything on it again
It was more of a "gg town we got one". Nav will flip red, you'll see

Naveet will most definitely flip red if he was playing to the best of his ability and wincon.

And yea, I can't go to bed without checking my phone 3,530 times. What's wrong with our society?

[MaryJoLisa]

He's fucking with you, TTTT. I'm 100% VT, so if Naveet lied *for town reasons* about the PR claim, then that's not on us as far as I'm concerned.

[MaryJoLisa]

And there was no NK night 1, right?

[MaryJoLisa]

I want to talk more about this, but my plate is full rn so I won't be able to until later on today, and possibly not until this evening. I don't think much about games during the night phases but some thoughts came to mind anyway that I want to explore with everyone before I cast my vote. Those thoughts need some time to marinate in my brain.

[MaryJoLisa]

We never got a PR claim from Clarity, right?

[MaryJoLisa]

I could have worded that better, but I just want to hear Clarity say what her role is, PR or otherwise.

[MaryJoLisa]

Why didn't my 1-shot autowin go through?!

My 1-shot scum-stopper trumped your autowin.

[MaryJoLisa]

Sorry! I'll redo it for official reasons:

VOTE: Clearly Clarity

[MaryJoLisa]

So are we done then?

[MaryJoLisa]

You did a great job, though! You had me going for my D1 read-through.

[MaryJoLisa]

Thanks for modding, Micc!

Naveet and Clearly, you both put a ton of effort into this game and I appreciate it!

TTTT, I always learn so much from you. <3

[MaryJoLisa]

Reading the scum PT they did put a lot of effort into the game.
Keep up work like that and you guys will keep doing well when rolling as scum.

They were in it to win it and that's great.

[MaryJoLisa]

You left me a very clean game to replace into.