Mini Normal 2068: Cat Art! [Game Over]

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Confirm town

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Oops I meant to pm that to the mod

hi all <3

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who wants to get me up to speed? free towncred for the first taker

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nah pretentious first
I'm more pretentious than him so I'm pulling rank fuck it

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Hopefully I'm not messing anything up by saying this but just FYI vedith visited me n2

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...?
not that I know of lemme double check I might be mistaken /o\
if I can't find it I'll ask our awesome mod

pedit: *thumbs up* vedith is loud

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ok off the phone with my dad
no hood

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oh I misread DDL's claim and thought he said I do have a pt and my god I was confused

yes his result on me is correctful

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am I cop cleared?

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This rabbit has disappeared! No where to be found! Gone!

@Mod
Won't you rid us of this troublesome rabbit?? Houdini!

Oh my god<3

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Hey this is a good time to remind everyone I'm blonde irl and will need a very slow explanation of the mason claims with small words

tyia

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No one is taking my free towncred which makes me think you're all scum who don't want to hurt my feelings

THANK YOU

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I would pref if wilky claims last actually since I think I cleared him if he ain't traitor

Oh yes correct and also correct way to proceed

Let's go Pret

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if Pretentious' next post isn't claim + actions I'll be voting there btw

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This rabbit has disappeared! No where to be found! Gone!

@Mod
Won't you rid us of this troublesome rabbit?? Houdini!

It is now the eleventh hour for the rabbit. He has already been poked and prodded. If he has not returned when the clock strikes 12 (

actually 1:30

) then he shall be made into stew.

Lfmaoo<3

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MJL, Sash, Creature all potential scum. TTTT, DDL, Shiidaji all townleans.

agree w/ these townleans (2 still relevant)

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I don’t want to be in your pocket, first page is rvs and jokes, why are you so serious

You’re actually scum hunting from the first pages?

What's wrong with scum hunting from the first page on? When do you think is the best time to start scum hunting? Page 2, page 3? Post 117 seems like a good place to start imo.

What’s wrong? Simple. RC having a confbias mentality and scum hunting me when I just want to break the ice. One post from him is all it took for 2 of you to look at me like I’m scum.

Some people enter the game by starting conversations and are laid-back. That’s me. It was a joke, my vote was on RC, my actions contradict his cozying up argument.

You can’t scum hunt in RVS. Period.

so glad this boy is dead because we would fight

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So then what’s with this :

What's wrong with scum hunting from the first page on?

Explain your thoughts. This question was asked during rvs, not day 2>

So all I can take this for is an attempt to try and set up a potential lynch on me.

You’ve also mentioned that “

post

...is good for scum hunting” when your question was regarding

PAGES

.

Which also tells me you wanted to throw a bit of shade on me as I was already being accused by two people, but you saying : “post...is good for scum hunting” when you were talking about pages is really subtle and it can almost be made unconsciously in an attempt to make yourself look good and for me to look scummy.

I can also sense that you didn’t want to push me because you’ve immediately backed off, so it was just an attempt to look like you’re game solving while you’re also throwing shade, especially with Shidaji saying “I’m waiting for BEF to do something”

Now, what I’ve noticed, at least with me is that when scum only post on page 6 and they feel like they’re suspected, they are more prone to throw shade because that’s what they think makes them look town and people won’t question their abscense. It’s almost like a natural reaction.

Call it a shallow and exaggerated read, but I’m pretty confident with BEF being scum here

Let me know if I’m crazy

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

we would stop fighting here

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I'm a lategame replacement so my policy salty yell is I HATE THAT SHIIDAJI WAS LYNCHED

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insomnia
that's a shallow and exaggerated read
you're crazy

VOTE: BEF

sigh this is atrocious but unfortunately within the baby's townrange

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Vote Count 1.2

Ginger Fog Warning

votes

BrightEyedFish [4]

: insomnia, DrDolittle, Shiidaji, TTTT

Carmen [2]

: Macabre, Sashaddin

Sashaddin [2]

: RadiantCowbells, Carmen

Creature [1]

: wilky

DrDolittle [1]

: Sheldon Cooper PhD

Not Voting [3]

: Creature, MaryJoLisa, BrightEyedFish

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in: (expired on 2019-04-13 12:44:08)

bef wagon seems rly dumb to me

UHH >:C

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Lean towns: BEF, DrDolittle, Radiant Cowbells

Scum leans: Carmen, MaryJoLisa

Shiidaji is null (having some of both)

All the rest are undecided

both of his scumreads are town
RC hasn't towntold at all
bef/drdoodoo are fine I prefer DrD a little more at this point

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in fact i'll even say that i scumread them.

but there's many days to go and i'm not lynching anyone today that i'm not 100% sure on, and i think that wagoning BEF is probably not going to help us read them.

noted

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do me a favor who do you want to lynch today

I'm not heavily set on any player yet. WRT those who have kinda been in the spotlight with semi wagons going RC, Insomnia, and Sash, I would probably pick sash out of that bunch. We still have several players who haven't really been active yet (Creature, wilky and Sheldon mainly) so I haven't been able to even start sorting them yet.

MJL, is coming across as town to me
Macabre, I'm not really feeling his shtick but could be scum trying to hide behind his posting style.
DDL, Shii, Carmen, TTTT - null

tr how ridiculous it is to make this post at this time + I think his back and forth with whoever that dude who's casing him and has a huge head but is dead is t/t

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Shid and BEF are both town here
VOTE: sheldon

he's done this like twice now and it doesn't feel w/w with sheldon

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will vote:

1.TTTT

5.DrDolittle

3.Carmen

VOTE: TTTT

don't know

8.Creature

9.MaryJoLisa

10.wilky

6.Sashaddin

4.Shiidaji

not voting right now

7.Macabre

11.BrightEyedFish

13.insomnia

2.RadiantCowbells

coloured with flips/my reads and while it's super annoying sheldon's entire "will vote" pile is still alive i think this was super defensive

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right VOTE: insomnia I don't buy that you truly believe your push on our BEF

welp

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Spoiler:

It's too soon to remind him obviously.

Creature is working his way up my scum list

I think we need an experiment to test this hypothesis

VOTE: Creature

can u not play so fucking minimalist

can u not play so fucking minimalist

On this occasion I will humor you, do you think Creatures ISO warrants a hypothesis anything above minimal at this point?

However, in future, check your manners.

I think you can engage with anything else that has happened this game that isn't creature.

brb

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There is no one I am particularly scumreading right now no

Everyone who got pressured did find

I guess I'll vote Sheldon for now

VOTE: Sheldon

oh yeha

VOTE: creature

what was i sayign

Kay

UNVOTE:

VOTE: MaryJoLisa

Ok

UNVOTE:

Threatening and ateing me will only work once
If you're scum here I will literally zero engage you next time I scumread you

VOTE: Sheldon Cooper PhD

rc voting patterns
not a fan

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from a "w/w with sheldon?" perspective

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@creature, my friend,
if you read this sorry imitation of your work,
are you townreading pret?

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I have Shydachi and RadiantSidelines as scum so far.

ah ding ding this is what i was looking for

"radiantsidelines" is, verbatim, what was on my mind

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Yeh decided to have Macabre as town

so excepting the fact i have more info because of flips our reads are v v similar at this point in my reread
i haven't felt this way since gunner mafia
calling you town until further notice

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@sheldon
talk to me about Creature's recent posts

I don't think they did anything other than to increase the number of posts he made in this thread.

slimy

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vote: creature

yea yea

TTTT i like Sheldon's response to you and some of his recent posts. Do you?

yikes
still this is such an unclever attempt to defend a scumbuddy
i'm so annoyed this was lynched

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TTTT i like Sheldon's response to you and some of his recent posts. Do you?

I don't like 371
372 I don't know why he posted
373 is the closest to a townie post
what do you like about his recent stuff?

probably t/s > s/s
i like the "......?!" vibe at the end ther

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i think insomnia/mjl was svs

?

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Spoiler:

MJL, look me in the eyes...

Did you roll town?

MJL avoided this

Strike 1/3

I’m actual lynch proof

Researching. Can Insomnia be unlynchable in a normal game or is he joking?

i can go into self-meta as well but i don't find that to be necessary right now. mjl, wanna sheep my vote? how do you see my analysis on bef?

if you sheep me i promise you that i'll defend you even if you're scum, i need votes, nobody is voting with me

Can you summarize your case on BEF because all i've got so far is that he sees merit in scum hunting in RVS and you do not. What's the case against fish?

MJL is town, I think?

the case on BEF is awful.

I agree. I'm not seeing a case on BEF.

Sorry insomnia, if i'm sheeping anyone this game, it's going to be RC or TTTT in that order.

I have a family emergency and I won’t be posting as much for the following games...Limited access for me.

I’ll still post from time to time, it’s going to be a lot more rarely though..

I hope everything is okay. Take care of your family. @mod can always just replace you out if need be.

This is a tough one for me because I’m in an unfamiliar environment going up against a bunch of new faces in a blind setup and I don’t know the extent of what’s possible. What I think I understand is that there are 3 scum and 10 townies and I have no idea what PRs are in play. And that’s not a PR fish, for the record. It’s just a statement to give you guys some idea of where I am in terms of my own comprehension of the game.

Additionally, some of you are playing on alts, but more confusingly is that some of you are lying about some seemingly innocuous information about your personas. The first question I’m asking myself is “who is lying about who they are?” I don’t know the culture around here well enough, but I might accidentally scum read someone because they're trying to lie about their RL personas or circumstances to conceal their alt rather than their alignment.

Full disclosure:

If I think you’re on an alt and I decide that you’re trying to hide your main, one will be assigned to you and I will hold you fully responsible for that other person’s meta good or bad. (This might actually carry some weight to it if I knew who any of you were.)

In order to expedite my sorting process, if your name is @RadiantCowbells, would you please level with me and tell me if you’re town or scum? I’m not looking for any power roles or anything. Just a simple “town,” or “scum” would be perfect. You can put it behind spoilers so it doesn't ruin the game for anyone else. Kthx, much obliged.

Town leans:

TTTT, RadiantCowbells (pending confession), Sheldon Cooper PhD, BrightEyedFish, Dr.Dolittle, Creature

Who even is this??:

Wilky

Maybe a little suspicious:

Carmen, Shiidaji, Macabre

Scum:

insomnia, Sashaddin

i don't see how any of this strikes someone as s/s
if anyone here has a contrary opinion pls yell at me asap but i think that take was good ol fashioned bullshit

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i'm not hard townreading either of them for any of it ftr
it just looks like two people interacting itt

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getting p bored around page 22
{tw}
{creature}
{vedith, Macabre}
{Emperor flippyNips, BrightEyedFish, DrDolittle}
{Pretentious}

how am i doing

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will vote:

1.TTTT

5.DrDolittle

3.Carmen

VOTE: TTTT

don't know

8.Creature

9.MaryJoLisa

10.wilky

6.Sashaddin

4.Shiidaji

not voting right now

7.Macabre

11.BrightEyedFish

13.insomnia

2.RadiantCowbells

coloured with flips/my reads and while it's super annoying sheldon's entire "will vote" pile is still alive i think this was super defensive

good point, past me

{tw}
{creature}
{vedith, macabre, drdolittle}
{flippynips, brighteyedfishy}
{pretentious}

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vedith can chill w creature

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Yes. Hence why I'm letting them claim before I go too hard.

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Hey this is a good time to remind everyone I'm blonde irl and will need a very slow explanation of the mason claims with small words

tyia

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Oh wild
Macabre + BEF + Macabre's mason buddy need to explain exactly who they're masons with as well thanks

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extra masons return ""'soft guilties""" to you and make endgame wifom pretty strong so I'm not immediately assuming they're town

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I'm not going til he fullclaims
I'll powerlynch him if he refuses

Wanna join my stance creature? I love being super arrogant more pretentious than Pretentious

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I'll definitely fight you on that one front
no need for us to 1v1 tho if you're town prove it asap and help me fix my reads

also fullclaim

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Every detail pls

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I'll be around for a bit too BTW
if I'm wrong on your slot let's solve thissss

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with?

pedit: o boy
ok i'm vt, creature can you back this up?

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I claim mason

With...Creature.

you might be right, this is a lot of pretentious to compete with

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that said I feel like the pacing of this game is super slow and I want it to be faster so instead of playing my preferred playstyle I'll be playing my other preferred playstyle.

VOTE: creature

sorry that you rolled scum.

oh yeha

VOTE: creature

what was i sayign

weirddd

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PL

VOTE: RC

Turboooo

Bad

oo

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creature if you do conf this i want to hear your rationale in the way you handled your mason buddy d1

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:< yup i can't compete ok

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It’s possible, but unlikely. That’s like 4 conf town.

Let me catch up. I saw I’m supposed to claim, but I brought up waiting for someone else to claim prior.

pret why did you shade the idea of 2 mason pairs here?

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Have we finished massclaim?

You then Wilky

if you wanted to hold off on the mason claim why did you tell creature to claim here?

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but you'd seen ank's flip
fypov there must have been another mason pair

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didn't you just claim masons with him?

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what's your claim creature?

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didn't you just claim masons with him?

That was a thing that happened just now, yes.

i feel like you're scum and you've given up on winning this game but taken offense to me saying you weren't pretentious enough and now you just want to ruin my day

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o for reals? hi hi <3<3<3

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yeah gimme a sec i'm gonna try update claims, get BEF to confirm you + ank (i believe you unreservedly) then we finish this

still think scum pt cop is high equity given masons + neighbour flip btw

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afair there can't have two different masonries in a normal game

YEAH I FROGOT THAT

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UNVOTE: BEF

If there’s 3 masons, this is just Friends and Enemies, no?

kinda, but scum pt cop to find the masons is like literally a setup that was run really recently except there was a twist i can't remember

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hello other bird
i like your feathers...

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HRRRKKK I WILL FIND THIS

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I really hope Pretentious and Macabre aren't both town, because lying in massclaim has nothing protown about it, it's just begging to be counterclaimed.

I was just setting my entrance up since I always claim mason with you and it was relevant.

I even stated should I claim my...flavor...beforehand.

zing
that was clever

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scum vanilla cop vs. masons

4 scum incl. traitor vs. 1 informed town ("there are 4 scum"), town loyal neighbouriser + disloyal vig

i'm forgetting a game hold on

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considering town roles are confirmable once there is only one scum left alive (i think "loud multitasking" is abnormal but correct me if i'm wrong) i am suddenly thinking vedith is mechscum

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ddl + ved + bird is entirely possible if i totally fudged up my reads

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I could see DDL + Vedith + Macabre

that's my mechanical solve tbh

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So far we have

DDL - PT cop
Nips - neibour (claimed by Shii)
BEF - Mason - most likely with Ank
Mac - Mason - ?
Vedith - Visitor
Wilky - not in a PT - ?
Creature - ?
Pret - ?

DDL checked Sheldon night 1.
Sheldon claimed VT and was lynched
Wilky night 2 no PT
Me night 3 no PT

BEF has claimed Mason with Ank

Pret thinks he's scum for that.

My visits were N1 Insomnia
N2 you
N3 BEF

BEF confirmed I visited so if you can too that would be great. \o/

working thru this rq

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ddl pt cop : sheldon n1 (guilty), tw n2 (inno), ??? n3
nips : neighbour w/ shiidaji and...? [needs to be confirmed]
bef : mason w/ ank + creature
creature : mason w/ ank + bef [needs to be confirmed]
vedith : loud visitor
tw : vt
pret : vt
macabre : lolcatting mafia traitor

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I think Vedith is more than a visitor

ya me too check that loud vanilla cop vs. masons game
skyg claimed loud cop and lolcoasted to a win

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fyi my lolscumread of pret on rep in comes from something boon does as either alignment and i can't read rc to save myself so
my read on that slot is BASICALLY ~rand

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ddl pt cop : sheldon n1 (guilty), tw n2 (inno), ??? n3
nips : neighbour w/ shiidaji and...? [needs to be confirmed]
bef : mason w/ ank + creature
creature : mason w/ ank + bef [needs to be confirmed]
vedith : loud visitor
tw : vt
pret : vt
macabre : lolcatting mafia traitor

game makes the most sense with ddl as scum so i think we lynch him today

@bef please confirm masonry with creature + ank
@nips please confirm if there's anyone else in your hood

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sorry we lynch the lolcatting mafia traitor today
lolcatting...my greatest weakness...it's so funny i forget it's in the game >;

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Mac is traitor though

What does that matter here? My analysis doesn’t work if he isn’t traitor really


Yeah, Vedith is mechanically scum here. Sucks. He’s got a good scum game, but these normals have been screwing him over.

Mac is scum.

I think DDL is conftown mechanically.

Flips is the scum.

I know Flips in real life. He’s scum here.

wait where is ddl conftown?
i'm actually a little scared you claimed vt

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hmmmm ddl only has a few clears {pret, sash, insomnia} and can get conditional guilties depending on the scum fakeclaims
i can possibly actually see that as town too yeah

plus probability of scum neighbour ffff

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macabre being caught and lolcatting about our impending doom is my fucking favourite thing jfc i'm glad i replaced into this

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VOTE: Macabre
Die! Die!

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oo missed the l-1
go me

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So I didn't used to believe that ravens are objectively fucking awful birds and ducks are much better but I'm sold now

at least I'm obvtown
everyone else obvtown/be a mason please

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pret claimed vt
for the first time in his entire career

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i'm exactly neutral on pret's claim
ddl probscum

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This makes me believe it's a traitor in tw, vedith, pret.

Show me a balanced setup involving a traitor here

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Mason
Mason
Mason
Loud indecisive doctor
Loud Visitor
neighbor
Neighbor possible VT
Vt
Vt
Vt

Goon
Goon possible neighbor
PT cop

Not bad but two loud town?
Loud townies are soft conformable by existing
You're telling me there's 5 confirmable townies?

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It's ddl-vedith
I want to scumread Pret for the really forced solve there but I think he does it as either alignment

VOTE: DDL

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Hmm maybe not vedith
I lost all WIM for this game when the shit bird threw and mech solving isn't my thing

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I was enjoying my catch up until the throw

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Pret why did you have nips as hard scum via meta yday?

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DDL checks Pretentious because he's the only one that's worth checking anyway.

This for sure.

But if DDL is town, we get pushed as the scum team on an Inno.

If DDL is scum, I get pushed as scum on the fake guilty.

So let’s be ready for a showdown tomorrow, haha.

We hit scum today, we’re 4-2, that’s if we actually have 4 scum like we thought.

I think it’s Flips/Mac/Vedith, though. If DDL is scum, probably take Vedith out.

hmmmm ddl only has a few clears {pret, sash, insomnia} and can get conditional guilties depending on the scum fakeclaims
i can possibly actually see that as town too yeah

plus probability of scum neighbour ffff

I’m actually pretty confident in Flips scum.

Mac is traitor though

What does that matter here? My analysis doesn’t work if he isn’t traitor really


Yeah, Vedith is mechanically scum here. Sucks. He’s got a good scum game, but these normals have been screwing him over.

Mac is scum.

I think DDL is conftown mechanically.

Flips is the scum.

I know Flips in real life. He’s scum here.

These things

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yea that was pretty much my takeaway as well
do you think it's positioning/scummy or is the way he's flopped on you towny fypov?

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I think you're town btw just not really sure why

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Why would BEF hammer you?
Nips is town

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Pret I'm super obviously town here
how am I meant to engage with you positioning me as DDL's partner?

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how am I meant to engage with you positioning me as DDL's partner?

This was the important part of that post dude

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i don't think I could be bothered trying to actually catch up on a game this long as scum, then get so distracted by a traitor claim itt and totally smoothly throw all of my reads into the rubbish bin to try and mechsolve around the traitor claim

like I'm ok as scum but I'm not strong and day four was outside of my acting abilities

I'm waiting to hear why Pret is obvtown too but I doubt it will convince me.

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my catch up was pretty towny
if I was scum somebody probably would have townread me by now or positioned me for distance

there's been like... nothing like it unless you think pret/me is the scumteam which would mean I jumped into the game trying to lolbus my partner while I caught up due to a stray scumping...

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if you don't think I'm town for reals I need you to talk to me. the way Pret is handling floating me as scum is antitown/antisolve in a way that I actually can't accurately read.

it's positioning which *should* come from scum but it's being done in a way that's so proudly ignorant I'm not sure if it comes from scum

but either way gamestate is +town for me

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I also don't kill Creature there nor do I let my partner convince me to
ISO me and look for "creature" -- then go to that post and look for his thread re-entry

we were fistbumpin' spiritually

you're also confmason and I have no idea of what your reads are. you're chaotic and unpredictable. you have a rep for having a weaker towngame than engaged-Creature

I'd kill you or DDL if he was town. if I thought myself or my buddy were going down and wasn't scum with vedith, I'd kill him because he's lock clearable with only 1 scum left

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this game is hard enough to solve without needing to prove I'm town so I might just need a leap of faith

you're town.
I townread Carmen/nips slot and I'm not really sure why which is proud a good sign.
I'm town.

we need to lynch into {DDL, vedith, pret} and hit 2

both vedith and DDL being town is townsided
both of them being scum is probably a little scumsided
vedith is loud and we have a flipped loud townie
Pret independently is >rand wolf via mechanics and refuses to towntell

UNVOTE: no longer like DDL wagon

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1-2 wolves in {DDL, vedith}

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outlier is in {pret, nips}
Pret is playing wolf agenda (positioning mislynches in Mylo)
Nips is playing survival>all

god help us all

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Vedith/pret probably

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pagetop
talk to me when I'm back in 45 mins ish

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Nor Vedith
I think the chances of a n1 on Creature are pretty high, he was very focused and had solid reads based on what I remember

I should go back and check what they were at eod

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Spoiler:

and i'd want to add DDL to that list in place of carmen at the very least so

macabre
sheldon
carmen
vedith/tttt
sasha
bef

Yawn man whatever

Who should we lynch from the RC list?

VOTE: Sheldon

I just want to lynch someone.

We don't have much time, so stop being picky.

Just follow RC's list. Paranoia is just the consequence of a day that should've ended one week ago.

VOTE: Sashaddin

idk, it's so hard to move to a lynch

You can move to Sash then, so it's gonna be you v Sash. (tomorrow we put Jupiter's pressure on Vedith and Emperor FlippyNips)

Well, we still gotta lynch someone.

Vote someone pls

I wouldn't try to start a new wagon if I were you.

Pretentious, stop vanity voting.

We're not doing BEF.

Vote Sashaddin or we move back to Sheldon.

Pretentious is managing to burn all towncred RC got here so far.

ffs we need three more votes on Sashaddin

Let's settle that from now on whoever not on Sash or Sheldon that posts without voting either of them is automatically scumclaiming and will eat a flashlynch tomorrow.

VOTE: Sashaddin

This is L-1

mmmh
I have no strong feeling

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I was visited by Vedith and there was a NK on the same night so according to this:

Setup

Factional abilities can

not

be used the same night as role abilities.

Does this clear Vedith?

Only if there's only one scum left.
Hence I don't wanna lynch vedith today

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Vedith/pret probably

This is an impossible scum team, so this is just not strong game solving or from scum.

I don't get why it's impossible tho :< if you could help strengthen my solve rather than accusing me of posturing we'd be advancing the gamestate a LOT faster

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Because of DDL’s results, they literally CANT be green together.

But could they be red together?

Yes. DDL’s results show

Myself, TW, and Vedith Not in a PT.

That means there can be 1 scum max in the 3 of us.

Which means from DDL’s perspective, Flips has to be some if he’s green, because there are no other options.

If Flips is green, he should know DDL is full of it, which means DDL is red.

There’s no possibility where one of them isn’t scum.

There’s at least 1 scum in Flips/DDL. FACT.

There can’t be more than 1 scum in Vedith/Pret/TW. FACT.

This is not me analyzing. This is me speaking hard undeniable truth.

THANK YOU
okay this is solid DDL scum equity is ++ again

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VOTE: DDL
just realised Pret we're doing the same thing to each other

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Please claim whether or not you were visited by vedith ln
I was not

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lolol
VOTE: no lynch

good luck tonight, Mr. Vedith

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BEF/flips: I want you to consider literally the only person who shoots Pret last night as scum is Vedith

I will give him one more night tho because I'm town af

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I shoot BEF and bang heads with Pret today who has a 0% read accuracy on me in the last 12 months....

you're not gonna get me mislynched here.

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keeping in mind scum!me would have known Pret was town and would have had to make the conscious decision of "Hmm I would like to flip town who scumreads me going into 4p MyLo"

I'd probably snipe someone who was scumreading me early into the game but if I did that as scum i would be using the gamestate to intentionally position my own lynch

which would be ridiculous and strangely close to gamethrowing

Vedith, you have two options here:
1) admit you think flips is scum, or
2) scumclaim to me by omitting any solving logic and try to get me mislynched

if you're choosing door#2 I look forward to this because that's an easy win

if you're choosing door #1 I disagree so case flips up for me

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I've town red Pret all game you never win that 1 v 1.

so you've had one correct read all game that you've never reconsidered and you NK him going into 4p over a mason

the kill is v v v obvious positioning

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also the "I targeted Pret rather than anyone else because I didn't expect BEF to survive into 4p" argument is p much fine but the only reason I can possibly see for someone to kill Pret over BEF is if they knew that you were going to target Pret rather than anyone else and like

1) I don't think flips does that
2) BEF is conftown
3) I was expecting you to visit me if you were town

actually scum just won't kill tonight either way so
VOTE: Vedith let's just end this in 4p

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Left the Building:
Sashaddin, Vanilla Townie, was lynched Day 1.
Sheldon Cooper PhD, Mafia Goon, was lynched Day 2.
Ankamius MaryJoLisa, Mason, was killed Night 2.
Shiidaji, Town Neighbor, was lynched Day 3.
insomnia, Town Loud Indecisive Doctor, was killed Night 3.
Macabre, Vanilla Townie, was lynched Day 4.
Creature, Mason, was killed Night 4.
DrDolittle, Mafia Goon, was lynched Day 5.
Pretentious RadiantCowbells, Vanilla Townie, was killed Night 5.

@BEF/flips one more thing to consider
it's entirely reasonable if you think I'm some hidden scum power role with a mechanic which swings this setup back into scum's favour--im not but it's a reasonable assumption. say e.g. vanilla cop or something to get the masons.

I would have had to instruct my scumbuddy DDL to fakeclaim pt cop which is loosely believable except it would be ridiculous for me to give this much of the solve away

if you think it's within wilky's scumrange to do this whatever I don't know wilky

more important aspect of the solve incoming

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doesn't no lynch need 3 votes?

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OK most important:

IF THERE ARE THREE MASONS AND TWO LOUD TOWN ROLES, THERE ARE 5 CONFIRMABLE TOWN IN THE EVENT TWO MAFIA ARE LYNCHED.

like holy fuck

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I'm not remotely fucked, I'm town

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either no one is visited and there's another flip, further softconfscumming you

no one dies and you visit someone, nulling this

you visit someone and someone dies, which puts you as a multitasking mafia visitor

you visit someone and someone dies, and cfj and Mastina have gone mad

I trust mastina and cfj's sanities more than I trust your alignment

prepare to dieeee

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also still love you too
I live for these endgame fights

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Vt count is also realistically more likely to be higher than lower given masons are conftown and the hood was a thing and there were 2/3 mafia goons but I don't expect people to soulread this the same way I do

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I'm a multi tasker that visited Pret and killed Pret?
Oh.

I doubt you're multitasking
visiting no one and killing Pret would have been an awesome move but post DDL goon flip fmpov this setup only really makes sense if you're scum.

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why would I be a rolecop?

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scum vanilla cop vs. masons

4 scum incl. traitor vs. 1 informed town ("there are 4 scum"), town loyal neighbouriser + disloyal vig

i'm forgetting a game hold on

game #1 here

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so either

I'm a vanilla cop and you're a fifth clearable townie just by virtue of your role pm

or

I'm a vanilla townie, you're a loud rolecop/vanilla cop (which has LITERALLY BEEN DONE VS. MASONS IN THE LAST YEAR) and there are only 4 confirmable town in the game

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Flips and BEF I trust you guys not to derp hard here
the solve is super obvious

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Vedith/pret probably

This is an impossible scum team, so this is just not strong game solving or from scum.

I don't get why it's impossible tho :< if you could help strengthen my solve rather than accusing me of posturing we'd be advancing the gamestate a LOT faster

VOTE: DDL
just realised Pret we're doing the same thing to each other

Vedith/pret probably

outlier is in {pret, nips}
Pret is playing wolf agenda (positioning mislynches in Mylo)
Nips is playing survival>all

god help us all

this game is hard enough to solve without needing to prove I'm town so I might just need a leap of faith

you're town.
I townread Carmen/nips slot and I'm not really sure why which is proud a good sign.
I'm town.

we need to lynch into {DDL, vedith, pret} and hit 2

both vedith and DDL being town is townsided
both of them being scum is probably a little scumsided
vedith is loud and we have a flipped loud townie
Pret independently is >rand wolf via mechanics and refuses to towntell

UNVOTE: no longer like DDL wagon

I also don't kill Creature there nor do I let my partner convince me to
ISO me and look for "creature" -- then go to that post and look for his thread re-entry

we were fistbumpin' spiritually

you're also confmason and I have no idea of what your reads are. you're chaotic and unpredictable. you have a rep for having a weaker towngame than engaged-Creature

I'd kill you or DDL if he was town. if I thought myself or my buddy were going down and wasn't scum with vedith, I'd kill him because he's lock clearable with only 1 scum left

for me to be scum you guys have to assume I made the worst possible night kills constantly after replacing in

including positioning my final NK going into f4 then going "huh we're positioning each other" and deciding to NK him after he doesn't respond

hard bussed my scumbuddy then freaked out got cold feet reconsidered my final NK going into f4 and flips and then lost my cold feet and got back onto DDL

either I have the wolfgame of the average 2 year old or I'm being set up by vedith who is already basically confscum unless the setup is hilariously townsided

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I don't have to pick anything right except voting your scummy but

I'm vt af

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omg doctor can generate clears as well

you'd have to accept that 5/13 of the list is hard mechanically clearable just via their role PMs

and one of the confirmable power roles can create soft innos via protecting people from the night kill

vs. 2 goons and one ??? without a loud modifier at all

that has nearly no synergy and is basically unwinnable for scum
if town have two loud roles and three masons, scum have at least a weak counter to both of these things

I'd take a x-shot jailkeeper + vanilla cop or something like that but then you're also accepting that I chose to randomly shoot a claimed vt while a claimed loud (theoretically clearable now there's only 1 scum left) and an outed mason left alive

this would be a tidy game throw

I've played one game where I left TPRs alive too long and the setup turned out to be shit and I'm never doing it again

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Btw your argument of Mastina is void after Mini 2048

idk the game i'll suss it

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but rolling the dice on a loud visit including killing someone I would have had to have spent the last 2-3 days positioning publicly?

that's no bueno

I don't think anyone does that as scum. let alone me (I like to at least try to win games)

Rolecop absolutely doesn't balance out five confirmable town roles... if it was lynched d1 town has basically autowin

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yes I panic about the prospect of being mislynched

I've never been the game losing mislynch, and I will not start here.

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I don't even know what you're suggesting I've fucked up

you're basically suggesting I've shoved my pants over my head and run around going "woooo I'm evil" all game

the level of suspension of disbelief in your case is ridiculous

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okay let's play out a scenario right

1 rolecop + 2 goons vs. 5 confirmable town
rolecop lynched d1, vt/neighbour kill n1

2 goons vs. 5 confirmable town with 11 people left

if scum is lynched d2 then another vt/neighbout kill n2, both visitors are confirmed town via visiting while the nightkill takes place

with 9 people left alive, masons claim and visitors are cleared

you're looking at 1 mafia goon vs. 5 confirmed town and 3 unknowns

you can't actually expect a real setup to be this townsided

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I don't even know what you're suggesting I've fucked up

you're basically suggesting I've shoved my pants over my head and run around going "woooo I'm evil" all game

the level of suspension of disbelief in your case is ridiculous

You wanted to play the no lynch before trying to push my lynch andndidntnrealise it wouldn't go through.
No you know I have a very good chance to be confirmed tomorrow

I did want to no lynch before you started trying to push me as a mislynch and basically confscummed yourself to me

if you're town then flips is 100% scum and you or I are the mislynch so I need you to confirm yourself tonight then talk through this with me tomorrow

but I don't see flips making the Pret NK either

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that's exactly what I'm saying

having fairly meaningless scum power roles to counter NEARLY HALF THE GAME being confirmable town is hilariously bad design

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whereas a loud mafia ____ messes with the synergy of loud town roles and likely has a power to counter masons

4 inherently confirmable town is a lot more likely than 5

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then the last scum is flips?
talk me through it, I think he's town

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no, if you're claiming town after implicitly obvscumming I'm going to hold you accountable to your solve

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I'm gonna go work

BEF, nips, please don't do stupid I know both of you are above the nonsense Vedith is putting down

this isn't town!Vedith. there's no way town!Vedith hits lylo and has this calm composed way of winning the game. he doesn't have any fire or passionate about it, he just thinks he's positioned me fairly well and expects to drop the solve and ride off into the sunset with a scum win.

if you have any concerns about my alignment or think vedith is townier talk to me when I'm back.

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yeah and the last time scum tried to mislynch me in the chorus of ill call b4 i cum mafia ended terribly for them
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76388

#3778 isn't even an argument for you being town
it's just like "I wouldn't necessarily kill a mason this phase" and totally disregards how nonsensical it would be for me to kill Pretentious last night or the fact that it's explicitly beneficial ONLY for scum!vedith to kill Pret there

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I had this same attitude in that linked game
I haven't read Micro 858 but my experience with you has been very different

link me to your last 5 LyLos, I haven't been in lylo with you but I'll happily read and compare to what I've seen of your earlygame

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and I literally can't recall a time when he's read me correctly after our first game BOPing Pret to solve this game is exactly how to ensure scum wins.

also again: me killing Pret after this would be self-positioning which would be gamethrowing if I was scum.

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I'll go read later (esp. if this goes into N6)
again if you're town please confirm yourself tonight so we can reevaluate flips tomorrow

but I don't think you're town

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Have a good sleep vedith <3
Look forward to kicking your butt in the morning.

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great modding akarin!
great work BEF/nips~ <3

vedith you were great. i hated 1v1ing you

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good call!
ank is one of the best town players onsite. creature is awesome too. and yeah, totally agreed; if vedith was on our side there was just too much going for town.

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good call!
ank is one of the best town players onsite. creature is awesome too. and yeah, totally agreed; if vedith was on our side there was just too much going for town.

I don't understand this when I don't think I've had any decent town games until this one

maybe compared to 2018 town ank....? :U she casts a long shadow.
i think you've had some plenty good towngames this year.

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Wish Macabre hadn't flaked out at the end there, I liked his gimmick.

the worst's complaints about it were pretty great though. Sorry for getting so much enjoyment out of your stress.

That's exactly how I felt.. his posting shtick is actually hilarious. and don't feel sorry I was definitely playing up my frustration! If I didn't like the gimmick so much I probably wouldn't have been so vexed either!

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For postgame cred: TTTT + DrDolittle + Sheldon Cooper PhD

Wait did I just...?

ayy gottem

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yus this setup was lit