My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic Mafia (Game Over)

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come on, everypony. let's just get along so we can use the magic of friendship to conquer evil.

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um

VOTE: the worst

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um

VOTE: the worst

gonna have to explain to me what you think you saw there

Look, I'm not one to cry scumslip or anything, but I have to ask myself "why would the worst assume friendship is magic is the scum pt if he's not scum?"

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excuse me "friendship is mafia" is the scum pt

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um

VOTE: the worst

gonna have to explain to me what you think you saw there

Look, I'm not one to cry scumslip or anything, but I have to ask myself "why would the worst assume friendship is magic is the scum pt if he's not scum?"

wicked
VOTE: zor

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sorry guys i was watching NXT Takeover New York and looking at my bae win a title belt <3

zor if the worst was scum wouldn't they know the scum PT was/wasn't called that???

not necessarily on the first day. like... what is he concerned about otherwise? that the mod accidentally gave him access to the mafia thread despite being totally town?

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wut?

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wut?

I mean...you realize what you said doesn't make sense...right?

sorry guys i was watching NXT Takeover New York and looking at my bae win a title belt <3

zor if the worst was scum wouldn't they know the scum PT was/wasn't called that???

not necessarily on the first day. like... what is he concerned about otherwise? that the mod accidentally gave him access to the mafia thread despite being totally town?

oh i see

it's that the "paranoia" about it was posturing instead of sincere??

for real am i misunderstanding? What is the town reason he would be paranoid about that? If I saw anything like "Friendship is Mafia" I understand how I could see that and go "oh crap, is this the mafia thread or the real one?" but I don't understand as town how I do that. What am I missing, for real. And no, it wasn't that I thought he was posturing.

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@the worst

zor more sees your post as "why would town even have that thought about the scum topic being in the thread"

Yes, this.

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that was... an aggressive way of getting to page top.

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yall should join me on the sweet train to scumtown population baezu

VOTE: Baezu

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at any point from here to infinity, really.

By the by, I'm kind of out of town for the next day or so. So I'm going to say goodbye for now, my ponies.

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i got back like an hour ago, good sir.

I don't know what to tell you, but here's some MLP fanfic:

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I think holistically avoiding the thread and prodging is a playstyle indicator before an alignment indicator and I'm more concerned about the prodging from e.g. zor

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yes, i'm sure that your concern, 55 hours into this game, is "prod dodging" and not a totally-100%-natural response to having his scumpost pointed out.

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because i dont have a good read on zor and it's sticking out to me?

Oh btw I think Elsa is town.

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Oh btw I think Elsa is town.

This is interesting - care to explain why?

because i dont have a good read on zor and it's sticking out to me?

Oh btw I think Elsa is town.

why

Because his behavior would be bizarre as mafia and make sense as town.

And yes...

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Because his behavior would be bizarre as mafia and make sense as town.

That's actually points against the guy that routinely fakeclaims as town...

I wasn't relying on a town claim. If you want to meta him, meta him for me. Yes, yes. Meta is trash and I'm sure reck will make fun of you, but don't leave me hanging if there's something I should know about his behavior that counter whatever inchoate feeling I have.

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Because his behavior would be bizarre as mafia and make sense as town.

too scummy to be scum

got it

thanks for checking in, Site Admin

let's talk for a second why you're pumping these weird angles on me. Tell me about that.

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i mean.... i think any time you try to use your

own

meta it's trash and it's kind of insulting any time someone tries to do that.

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@zor: because you've contributed very little and have shown no interest in scumhunting. you were joking saying you were gonna ignore the first 10 pages. well howdy doo, it's page 19. let's go.

@gif: it was a bad meme i guess

sorry, i'll do more performative scumhunting for you



or wait, no. i don't really care what you think of my scumhunting or perceived lack thereof.

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A big reason for sring Implo is his townreads that he hasn't explained (but feels really good on!) yes. But it's also his vote on Bae. He flip flops on the Elsa wagon saying it's a fine wagon but then calls Elsa town. Alright, so where's the read development after that? Doesn't exist.

If he wants to sort me tbone and reck where are the questions? Cause I don't see any. Zor/Reck are also really interesting people to tr considering they want each other dead and Implo isn't stopping it. His whole late game posting just feels fake to me. It's little bits and pieces that slowly just add up.
pedit: Answer my questions Errant you loser

I don't want reck dead. I'm just contemptuous of his attempt to force me to dance to the reck drum.

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EBWOP:

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if you're going to do a big ol' point by point thingamabober against one person is that because you think he's scum, Maria?



By the way, Baezu still seems a pretty good call to me. Elsa was always weaksauce.

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oh wait you're voting him, nm

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So your argument against implosion is that he sees Baezu and Elsa as TvT and wants to keep that churning. So you suspect implosion. But he's defending me. Does that mean we're comrades? Or does he just like one version of TvT better than others?

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Oh no!

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So your argument against implosion is that he sees Baezu and Elsa as TvT and wants to keep that churning. So you suspect implosion. But he's defending me. Does that mean we're comrades? Or does he just like one version of TvT better than others?

I have no reason to not think you can be comrades. How much of the game have you srsly read and how much are you just memeing I can't tell

Just because I'm posting gifs doesn't mean I'm memeing. I've read almost everything except exhausting PbP responses.

I guess my question then is why vote implosion if I have more votes on me. If you believe we're both scum that is.

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> implosion sees elsa v baezu as tvt
> im reading the game


implosion may as well quit now

wait what? was this directed at me? Because that's not what I said.

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> implosion sees elsa v baezu as tvt
> im reading the game


implosion may as well quit now

wait what? was this directed at me? Because that's not what I said.

too many layers of he said she said and i got confused

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haven't read everything yet, but for now

VOTE: SleepyKrew

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And yet, you didn't do it yet!

Did you want something more recent than 739?

Yeah, like a summary. Point by points are meh.

Town- alch, implo, Elsa, Maria, zito, reck, tbone, worst
Null- penguin, sleepy, zor, gif
Scum- bins, EP

Okay let's move everyone down one step and Elsa and Zor two steps and we can make some money. (most important part)

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i mean... i'm mostly trying to play the game while having fun. if i'm going to play an MLP game, I'm going to play a mother fucking MLP game. My gifs, etc. are (almost) all actually intended to actually convey some message, though admittedly I have to stretch as I'm not actually

making

these gifs, obviously.

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oh... and as per the above post

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I tried to engage him in 1009 where I noted he's being deliberately useless and his response was basically 'yeah so what'.

Unreadable slots are the bane of my existence so if you could help me *squeeze* the *juice* I'd be appreciative.

Look into my eyes and you'll be able to read me



What do you really want from me is the question, Sir Zito? That's what I guess I'm getting at. I'm gettin' reads, doing things. Posting MLP gifs. And as to

unreadable slots

you don't seem as concerned about things like SleepyKrew.

That said, my vote on SleepyKrew was a placeholder as an unvote because I have no idea on him because he's basically absent.

If you want some insight to my soul, here it is:

Scumteam, in decreasing order of assurance is implosion, Baezu, t-bone, alchemist. If there's four out there, obviously. Balancing a 15p game is kind of a pain with regards to 3 vs. 4 scum. I'm gonna guess 4 though because UT has unrealistic ideas about how easy it is to catch scum.

Anyway I digress. Given my "reads":

VOTE: implosion

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I love this post.

And as to

unreadable slots

you don't seem as concerned about things like SleepyKrew.

That said, my vote on SleepyKrew was a placeholder as an unvote because I have no idea on him because he's basically absent.

Look into my eyes and you'll be able to read me

What do you really want from me is the question, Sir Zito?

If you want some insight to my soul, here it is:

Incredible.

Scumteam, in decreasing order of assurance is implosion, Baezu, t-bone, alchemist.

I'm so glad you put implosion as top of your list, you have no idea. Let's have a chat about why implosion requires death.

Okay. Let's.



Because I'm vain I'll pick something that has to do with me:

don't make me vote you, zoraster

Look, as much as I've protested that I was doing

stuff

, this sets off my buddy-buddy alarm. I'm all for forming semi-conf town posses and what not, but the idea I was

there

is silly and that he'd try to leverage that to stop a line of questioning on Maria and insert himself in it? He does that AFTER I actually engage with something to try to get a read on Maria and understand what she's saying. I was focused on Maria at the time and only sort of noticed it before, but it definitely stands out to me. If I had to guess, he wants me scummy but unlynched and relying on him to survive.

Now you go, Zito.

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I am working backwards to a degree. I don't work very well in "real time." But for what it's worth, I never treated that statement as a joke; I just wasn't focused on it because I was talking to Maria, not implosion.

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I am working backwards to a degree. I don't work very well in "real time." But for what it's worth, I never treated that statement as a joke; I just wasn't focused on it because I was talking to Maria, not implosion.

You never treated it as a joke? What was the purpose of 665 then?

Let's say your theory that implosion's dastardly plot is to keep you around as pocketed mislynch material. And let's say you did manage to successfully glean this from a single one-line post. You present this argument to your audience and they regard you with a large amount of skepticism. What else will you point at to sway them to your point of view?

What?

My

response was a joke. I didn't think

implosion's

was a joke. Those are two distinct concepts.

Look, you do what you'll do, Zito. If I can convince you that implosion is scum, then I'll continue, but it will continue to be rear looking because that's how I'm going to do things. If you're just looking to get a read on

me

based off my opinion of implosion, then either move on or don't and vote me, but I'm not going to engage in something where you're not legitimately interested in the topic at hand.

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then help me out, boo. Why do you think implosion is town or scum?

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Are you saying you don't have any other reasons for him being your top scumread?

Because if I may - you're the one voting the dude, the onus (heh heh onus) is on you to provide evidence of his guilt.

I'm saying I don't really believe that you're engaging with this in good faith, and so I'm disinclined to follow you down this path where you just get increasingly "skeptical" of my reads and use that to try to push my wagon. If I thought you actually had any interest in this topic

as it relates to implosion

I'd be more inclined to do so. A conversation, so to speak, rather than charlie brown giving a sad book report at the front of the class.

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tbone and skrew have still been null-town for me this game, same for gif. you can see my struggle here.

i really want to vote in maria and implosion, but i think i'm gonna

VOTE: zor
l-2

what? how does

this

make sense?

Also as to the l-1 vote i'm a fruit vendor and i get to send ponygrams at night that tell people how special they are. So you can safely lynch me and then tell yourself how bad I am rather than look inward on how bad you are. And I'd really think on that. And then I'd vote implosion. I think my wagon is largely town, fwiw, as the scum have watched the town self-destruct.

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^ that's average posts per day

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gah the labels are off. lemme fix.

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There. Now we can rest easy.

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I don't have a strong feeling about Maria, but are you sure I can't interest you in a slightly used implosion wagon?

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I understand that this has benefited me somewhat and so I am loathe to point this out, but...

if we're just going to run every single person up to L-1 until they claim, let's just mass claim and get it over with.

Or maybe that's a

terrible

idea and we should pick someone to lynch. And that someone should be implosion.

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I understand that this has benefited me somewhat and so I am loathe to point this out, but...

if we're just going to run every single person up to L-1 until they claim, let's just mass claim and get it over with.

Or maybe that's a

terrible

idea and we should pick someone to lynch. And that someone should be implosion.

o wow maybe i should have not unvoted u

Because I don't want to play like an idiot? okay, Bins.

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I understand that this has benefited me somewhat and so I am loathe to point this out, but...

if we're just going to run every single person up to L-1 until they claim, let's just mass claim and get it over with.

Or maybe that's a

terrible

idea and we should pick someone to lynch. And that someone should be implosion.

i mean do you think implosion claims VT at L-1 idfk

Yes.

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i mean. alright. that's odd to me. i guess i could dig it. seems like a swing to be like "oh no im about to get lynched and need to save my ass, I'll claim VT and hope people fall for the bait instead of immediately hammering me"

yes. and i think implosion is smart enough to know that claiming yet another power role would not have the "get off my wagon" effect.

But I

also

think that this is low stakes to lynch a vt and it's a really bad idea to keep turning over our cards until scum have a game plan.

Look, from a game-play standpoint, I'd have lynched

me

once I had to claim. Obviously I wasn't going to

fight

that, and I think implosion is the way to go. But good lord. Don't introduce yet another wagon. I don't get it.

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great.

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Just FYI. I'm gone to a funeral tomorrow through wednesday, where I'm told the cell phone reception is poor. I'd mark it as VLA but we get a luxurious 72 hours before a prod in this game. I'm also out of town wed-mon but should have something approaching normal internet service during those days.

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Bluster doesn't make you right, zito.

I don't know how I can impress this on people further though: stop trying to find new lynches. You'll just let new claims and while that might clarify things on day 1, it'll hurt the hell out of us in future days We HAVE a safe "VT" Lynch and unless you have some game confirmed way of knowing he's town, he should be the Lynch. This is basic shit, y'all.

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Is it? Argue the protown pro-running up four+ people to claim side tbone

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Is it? Argue the protown pro-running up four+ people to claim side tbone

The pro-town argument is to find a scum lynch. I don't care how many people have to be run up to do it.

Zor is presenting a false choice here by the way. "You're either in favor of running up 4 or more players or you're not" is not a town argument.

Now

there's

a scummy take.

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Elsa or me?

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True or false: a properly designed game with a day 1 mass claim is horrible for town?

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BTW only have a few more minutes before I have to go to this funeral so apologies if I bug out without responding. Trust me when I say I want you or ,if you are not town others , to understand why this is an actual dichotomy at this point in town and is so antitoen it hurts

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Don't make me do it zor.

Weirdly your bluster as dumb as it is just makes me more sure you're town.

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Not saying I will because I haven't read much of the last few pages but because of the lack of time and my general unavailability meaning I cant emphasize how dumb we are running up so many people. But if we run Maria up and she claims can I at least get some sort of agreement to Lynch one of the many many people who we've managed to out day 1 rather than try to find some weird last minute other Lynch? That can even be me if you so desire but don't keep doing this.

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PS about to take off on a flight so definitely can't respond.

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Not saying I will because I haven't read much of the last few pages but because of the lack of time and my general unavailability meaning I cant emphasize how dumb we are running up so many people. But if we run Maria up and she claims can I at least get some sort of agreement to Lynch one of the many many people who we've managed to out day 1 rather than try to find some weird last minute other Lynch? That can even be me if you so desire but don't keep doing this.

Tho this is kind of bad after the whole we might as well massclaim thing

I've tried my fucking hardest to get that message through but either by idiocy or something else it's not penetrating. I have literally no idea on Maria but if that's going to be what it is or me when I can't do much about it because people have let implosion slide along for ????????????? Reasons then so be it. Or Lynch me, fine because this town is utterly incompetent to let this happen and at least I won't have to deal with zitos poorly won confidence. He's a smart guy who has apparently decided today is the day to play VI

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I think the only way you'll listen to me at this point ducky is flipping me so I really can care less at this moment and time.
I'm pretty sure the tracker I can backup is scum btw because of the wording being 'any tracker' that dies. Mostly when you're a back up it relates to roles of your own alignment but unless the tracker is gated (unlikely considering idk how that'd work with a backup) I think it's prob just a full scum tracker. Thoughts?

is this not believable?????

pretty sure maria is an experienced enough player to do that kind of "add a descriptive detail" thing with a fakeclaim.

if she weren't i'd agree that's townish but.

It's like, with things like this, the way I like to look at them is how out-of-the-way would this person have had to be thinking in order to say what they said if they're scum. If Maria is scum here, she's an experienced player and knows she's in trouble and she needs to do things to relieve pressure on her. Going out of the way to claim in a way that looks believable is something good scum do. A good example is a scumgame of mine on ms back in ~2012 where I claimed 1-shot daycop and gave a bunch of little corroborating details like saying i was going to daycop someone but then a hammer came, because I knew it was the only way I was going to buy enough towncred to make it through the game.

It's also entirely possible that she is literally just a scum backup tracker to a town tracker and that that phrasing exists in her role pm.

I think i'm supposed to take the bait and say something like "oh isn't it convenient that you, townie implosion, went with a VT claim rather than your previous and provided meta of doing a good claim unlike scum-Maria" but I sort of feel like i'm being led by the hand by implosion. Maybe maria too? It feels inorganic, though implosion has been on the maria wagon basically post-baezu so that lends a little credence.

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day ends in 2.5 days. reading it, can we get an implosion wagon going, y'all? much happier with him than maria.

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i mean... i guess i agree i don't view "backup tracker" to be a super townie claim. it's impossible to prove, not alignment indicative, and can easily be included by a mod without a tracker to begin with. But if it's really null and not scummy, I'm not sure why we got a whole bunch of text on it if that was really the argument.

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maybe, but EP said it was believable, not that it was town though i guess the multiple ???? implied otherwise. The flip side of "this is a null claim" is "it could be town"

Like to me, Maria's claim seemed convenient but not unbelievable by any means. i'm kind of more interested in everything that followed.

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Well deserved, Glork.

Lynch sensibly. Don't take pet lynches and push for them at the expense of just... totally sensible play.