Newbie 1926: Baseball (Game Over)

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Howdy laddies and Shoshin, I'll talk about reads tomorrow.

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Here are town reads;

PvtUrist - Sexy Town

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no explanations needed

Teh Wus - Town

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not treestump express

Lavender - Town

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seems genuine

Godmid - Town

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seems genuine

Urap - Probably Town

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hot lad

ShoSho - Probably town

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feels mixed, not concern for D1

DENMON - Probably town

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seems genuine

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Scummer 1;

Marcus - Probably scam

Spoiler: forced intro

The worst always rolls scum

How do you do vote tags?

Spoiler: urap is black or something

I'm honestly getting a bad vibe from uap2, I know its kinda calling the pot calling the kettle black as I havent contributed much either but uap2s posts seem to just be shallow
First he calls on me scum though I think that was just a joke and part of rvs but then he calls a strong town read on lavender before immediately changing his mind if one of the SE's are scum uap2 seems to me to contribute the least of the SE's of course its entirely possible none of the SE's are scum but this is the most I can pick up atm with the limited info available

Spoiler: rude

@Shoshin reason for voting Lavendar?

What is wrong with telling us? If you want us to believe it you need a strong case not 'believe me because I say so'

Spoiler: vote sexy whig for not active scamhunting, #202 fence sit

Looking through the posts I find whig and godmid slightly scummy as their posts seem to just be content and not really contributing.
Slight scum lean on uap2 due to info stated in post 106
Not sure on ryno and lavender but leaning more town than scum
Robotnick's posts were gathering info more although they had limited posts so slight town lean on Robot/Denmon

I'm reading mostly town on the worst and shoshin
VOTE: whig

Well the absence doesn't help, but reading through his posts (only 5) doesn't seem to be actively scumhunting

Actually looking through I just realised they would be getting replaced, so may have to wait for replacement to get a new read

Marcus's readlist based on #199
{Teh Wus, Shosho}
{Ryno, Lavender, DENMON}
{Whig, Godmid, Urap}

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Scummer 2;

Ryno - Probably scam

Spoiler: forced RVS intro and reason

Hello, friends! Just caught up on the thread. My gut feeling is...

VOTE: Lavender

Gut feeling is gut feeling, unfortunately. Maybe it's the way they seem too eager to please.

Spoiler: no

Godmid, The reason why I don’t seem like I’m actively scum-hunting, is because I do not want to make someone stray from a correct read with my unsure reads.
And Ryno, My eager to please thing you have of me, is it because of my answering questions? If so I am simply trying to be helpful. If not and it’s something else like my reads, then you can make an assumption that I want to please. If it’s neither of those then can you tell me what made you think that of me?

It might be that you genuinely want to help, but I get the feeling that you want to seem like you want to help.

Spoiler: no

Godmid, The reason why I don’t seem like I’m actively scum-hunting, is because I do not want to make someone stray from a correct read with my unsure reads.
And Ryno, My eager to please thing you have of me, is it because of my answering questions? If so I am simply trying to be helpful. If not and it’s something else like my reads, then you can make an assumption that I want to please. If it’s neither of those then can you tell me what made you think that of me?

It might be that you genuinely want to help, but I get the feeling that you want to seem like you want to help.

Ok, but can you to tell me where you get this feeling from? Of how I want to seem like I’m helping?

I can't tell you without potentially helping you, SCUM!

Spoiler: no no

I'm not going to repeat myself again haha

Yeah this reply makes me definitely read you as scum, I'm ~80% confident now

Spoiler: I don't even

*ahem*

RYNO'S MASTER PLAN:

My aim was to push a scum into frustration by accusing them with little/no reason. Lavender was the victim, and I think it payed off. They very quickly became fixated on WHY I was reading them as scum, which comes across to me as the 'scum newbie annoyed they got caught out early in the game' and they wanted to know if I genuinely was reading them (and if so, HOW ON EARTH) or the self-assuring knowledge that I was bullshitting. All of which seems like scum-thinking to me. Plus the lynch votes probably made them nervous/backed into a corner. There's a tendency to run away with worry - 'oh no, i'm suspected from the start, i'm going to get lynched'. A townie would be much more focussed on making their own reads. See the following...

'Ryno, My eager to please thing you have of me, is it because of my answering questions?'

'Can you tell me what made you think that of me?'

'Ok, but can you to tell me where you get this feeling from?'

'That's quite bold, can you tell me where I have been scummy?'

'Well I really want to ask why Ryno has any big evidence for voting me and such. But they seem very inclined not to give that information.'

'So why say, let others read their take and show everyone else, and not just let yourself reveal your read?

I hereby rest my case against Lavender. Although, I would suggest that with only 2 scum, we don't need to lynch until F5.

Therefore, UNVOTE: Lavender

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*ahem*

RYNO'S MASTER PLAN:

My aim was to push a scum into frustration by accusing them with little/no reason. Lavender was the victim, and I think it payed off. They very quickly became fixated on WHY I was reading them as scum, which comes across to me as the 'scum newbie annoyed they got caught out early in the game' and they wanted to know if I genuinely was reading them (and if so, HOW ON EARTH) or the self-assuring knowledge that I was bullshitting. All of which seems like scum-thinking to me. Plus the lynch votes probably made them nervous/backed into a corner. There's a tendency to run away with worry - 'oh no, i'm suspected from the start, i'm going to get lynched'. A townie would be much more focussed on making their own reads. See the following...

'Ryno, My eager to please thing you have of me, is it because of my answering questions?'

'Can you tell me what made you think that of me?'

'Ok, but can you to tell me where you get this feeling from?'

'That's quite bold, can you tell me where I have been scummy?'

'Well I really want to ask why Ryno has any big evidence for voting me and such. But they seem very inclined not to give that information.'

'So why say, let others read their take and show everyone else, and not just let yourself reveal your read?

I hereby rest my case against Lavender. Although, I would suggest that with only 2 scum, we don't need to lynch until F5.

Therefore, UNVOTE: Lavender

Looking through the posts I find whig and godmid slightly scummy as their posts seem to just be content and not really contributing.
Slight scum lean on uap2 due to info stated in post 106
Not sure on ryno and lavender but leaning more town than scum
Robotnick's posts were gathering info more although they had limited posts so slight town lean on Robot/Denmon

I'm reading mostly town on the worst and shoshin
VOTE: whig

Ryno: "Lavender wagon ain't going through, let's go on Whig instead"

Marcus: "Yeah ok"

Both: "Mafia good"

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VOTE: Ryno

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If you were scum and wanted lavendar gone

swipe left for both

would you have voted instead of warning how close to lynch we were?

probably

Or questioned the wagon?

@Shoshin reason for voting Lavendar?

probably

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Lol I just got what you meant with 'ryno is black or something'
The pot calling the kettle black is a figure of speech meaning you are pointing something out about someone that is also true about yourself

is this scumslip

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Apologies Teh Wus, life has gotten much busier since we first met.

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yeah, mate, that slot got a red pm. I'd put money

I'd put money on it*

!bet DENMON Town bread 5

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I actually do think it's +discord -sorting

I agree with this statement, but not what came afterwards. I feel it comes from more newb!town than scum with agenda. If the latter is what we're going to talk about, this ain't the only case for this game.

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re-readlist;

{the worst, Lavender} town
{u r a person 2, Shoshin, DENMON, Godmid} probably town
{Ryno56, Marcus325} scam

There's not much to explain. Reads are tonal, with Ryno and Marcus having the most pings (forced/unnatural reactions, non-town alligned agendas,).

Teh wus gives that genuine 1905 IC vibe, and not the choo choo vibe.

Lavender/DENMON/Godmid have town vibes (ie, not Ryno/Marcus vibes), and their "anti-town" actions don't fall off newb!town range for me.

Urap town vibe, but I don't agree with his reads or too much emphasis on intro-tells.

Shosho's a bit mixed, but I'll talk about that later.

Besides tone-reads, I just feel that the current wagons are half RVS, half halfarsed (Lavender/Godmid) and that D1 has been TvT with scum sitting on the sidelines, with people's scumreads developing from newb!town mistakes, rather than genuine scum motives.

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VOTE: Marcus will write and answer questions in a few hours

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sorry lads, Ill be around in half a day or so

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Readlist haven't changed much since #283;
{the worst, Lavender}
{u r a person 2, Shoshin}
{DENMON, Godmid)
{Ryno56, Teacher}

My vote will remain on Teacher for D1, with the only exception of needing my vote to avoid D1 no-lynch.

I believe both DENMON and Godmid are town, and even more so after their latest posts. I'll go into Teacher's posts a bit, but am otherwise open to questions.

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Some comments on Teacher's posts;

Null/null-scum intro

Spoiler:

Hello. Got to read a bunch and I’m mostly a night player.

Big charisma

Spoiler:

VOTE: shoshin
quack quack

<3 been hoping to play w you again for a while.

I live and breathe the Yankees

I was at the 96 series and actually believe I started the “throw him out” chant about the Braves manager. But \_o_/

Mech talk

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I think I've asked this a few times, can someone point out the benefit of lynching someone today when we could wait for more information?

I'm going to let someone else go through the details because I'm sure they will do it better than I would, but rest assured that lynching d1 - even mislynching d1 - is +ev for town

I’m assuming he meant real life day rather than game day? But yea, no lynch in a 7-2 is terrible play.

Null

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I'm starting to be suspicious about Shoshin repeatedly pointing out her desire to help newbies, as in #41 and #50, for example. It seems a little over the top, like it's an attempt to ingratiate herself to the newbies. Therefore, in the spirit of "overstating a scumread a little," I scumread Shoshin.

VOTE: Shoshin

First total town read. Irrespective of Shoshin read, the reaction is natural.

Null/null-scum fluff content, and not relevant for town unless commented on later

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I don't see how you end up reading Lavender town, she's done nothing yet.

Lavender's town?

yah i think probably. not a strong read

Putting this in my ISO.

Null/Null-scum

Spoiler:

Hello everyone.

Null/null-scum appearing active, not directly beneficial to town

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You gave three slightly reasoned arguments for your reads here but nothing for urap2 - why?

I like this.

Null/null-scum confusing statement, no real reason for post

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which pair are actually working together I guess.

Associatives are fairly weak D1 I think. Almost not worth it (though I always do)

Mech talk

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I think I've asked this a few times, can someone point out the benefit of lynching someone today when we could wait for more information?

I'm going to let someone else go through the details because I'm sure they will do it better than I would, but rest assured that lynching d1 - even mislynching d1 - is +ev for town

I’m assuming he meant real life day rather than game day? But yea, no lynch in a 7-2 is terrible play.

I'm pretty sure he meant game day

Assuming no saves (saves are long odds), all no lynch does is turn D3 lylo into mylo, with less vca and wagon information. No lynch is a no.

Shade on Godmin/Lavender, distancing on Ryno

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Stopping at page 6 ftm. As of now my read is godmid and rump, with a lavender counterwagon. I’m at my parents for Easter weekend so may not be interacting all that much but feel to leave me questions about anything in particular.

Conflicting statement, agree on Lavender town desipte previous shade

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before we start, shoshin

can you tell me if you are town reading all of {Lav, TW, Shoshin, ME}?

That's my town bloc and if we disagree there we should work on that first

Agree.

WIFOM fluff

Spoiler:

It’s cause he knew I was coming. Clearly.

I’m actually kinda interested because my prediction was light scum to me.

+town points, +charisma, not +town agenda

Spoiler:

ALso, it is courtesy to say:

Godmid is at L-1

So nobody can say the lolhammer was an accident.

Page reminder that godmid is L-1

As TW mentioned, due to deadline that slot should claim regardless intent.

Pagetop reminder that Godmid is L-1 and should claim.

More distancing

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Godmid and Lavender seem to be reactive instead of proactive, so I'm reading them as the scum atm

Playstyle=/alignment.

You talked about Lav. Talk to me about God.

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How about do you have any questions for me?

Not really

In my two days in the game I put out a hell of a lot more posts and content than you

Cool story

so asking (and getting things - like my read on Lav - right) might actually be better.

Feint

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am here

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I ain't making it to lylo, so here's my reads before my mislynch.

{Urap, TW, Ceejay} town
{Godmid} town lynchbait
{Ryno, Teacher} scum

will elaborate.

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Way not to mention Denmon

meant Denmon got the two mixed up

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{Urap, TW, Ceejay} isn't something I'll be needing to explain. Don't lynch within these three.

So here's my goal for today; either get flipped and manage to prevent DENMON's lynch D3, or convince a lynch on my scumreads. The latter probably isn't gonna happen, so I'll start from the former.

Here's DENMON's readlist interpretted from #324, #362 and #458

{Ryno,

Godmid

}
{

Lavender

, Shosho/Ceejay, TW, Urist, urap}
{Marcus/Teacher}

Spoiler: 324

Post

Ok, this is probably going to look pretty suspicious cause I'm kind of going to be changing my behavior. I'm honestly not liking the way I am playing myself, since I am normally pretty aggressive and attempt to vote out the people that I really want to be lynched. I guess cause I'm not used to the environment, I'm playing a bit more cautiously. I'm also going to be restarting my thinking completely because I actually took the time to reread most stuff since I am doubting my reasoning more than I am actually supporting them.

HERE ARE MY READS:
In general, I reminded myself that the reds want to lay low so they don't get voted out. This doesn't mean that they are posting less, but that they are making too many agreeable posts.

Lavender - Maybe Green - I'm getting a pretty green vibe from Lavender's posts. Plus Lavender got a good amount of votes and suspicion at one point, but there wasn't really anyone defending him. I would think that someone, even if that person would be green, would say something. I also agree with his suspicion on Marcus325 in that the reasoning is valid.
Marcus325 - Eh - Like I said above, I agree with Lavender on his suspicion. Now it is just a matter of deciding if it means he is red or not. I think by process of elimination, it isn't too far off of a guess.
DENMON - Very green
Ryno56 - Green - I think he is too aggressive to be a red. His attack on Lavender would gather a lot of attention, which is something a red would not like to have.
Godmid - Green - He is very determined in trying to convince others that u r a person 2 and the worst is red, and I think if he was red, he would be a bit less determined, you know?
PvtUrist - Maybe Green - I like how he made a list like this and gave his thoughts on it which is a reason why I think he is probably a green. The issue is that there wasn't actually much thought. He listed what alignment people were on, but didn't give much thought to say why. I would think that maybe he would put a little more effort as a green.
Shoshin - Maybe Green? - I would think if he was red, he would be a bit more active. He said "oh the reds are so obvious, do you see it" (not a direct quote, didn't bother to find it). This is bit of a careless move to say then just leave it for people to question. Red would probably want to be more careful.
the worst - Maybe Green - After I reread everything, I think he is a bit too active to be red. I've made some posts against the worst but now that I reread everything, I'm having my doubts. Actually I'm kinda regret posting it, as my reasoning seems a bit silly. Normally when I start doubting stuff, it means I am attacking a green. So I'm just going to go with my gut and say the worst is maybe green.
u r a person 2 - Eh - He seems off. I think what is happening is that u r a person 2 is using the worst to make all his defenses and reads for him, then not really give much thought to us until the worst asks him a question. Something isn't sitting well with me here, even if he is giving good replies like with what he said about Lavender. Because of this, I think he is actually trying to lay low, and he is doing well.

I think Marcus 325 is a good choice, but u r a person 2 is a better choice.

I know shifty behavior - red alarms. Vote me out if you have to, but I'm actually kind of confident on this, which I never was since I joined

VOTE: u r a person 2

Spoiler: 362

Huh, the reasoning given by u r a person 2 is actually pretty good. I'm questioning my read on him because of this...

Spoiler: 458

Ok sorry I was gone yesterday. I don't think u r a person 2 is red anymore because he put a lot more effort into lynching Godmid than I thought he would. Usually reds don't like to start bandwagons unless under certain circumstances. However, I don't actually like the reasoning used to call Godmid scum. He is just picking phrases that can seem scummy, but honestly I can do that for anybody and make a case for it. I can see a green saying the stuff that Godmid said that u r a person 2 is saying is suspicious. The reasoning is pretty weak, and we need to focus on the people that are voting, and why they are voting for the best information.

I didn't like Marcus325 cause there was no reason for me to say he was green, so by process of elimination he should be red. Then teacher replaced him and I still don't like him. If Godmid and I are green, then I just see him as joining a bandwagon and wanting a lynch to occur, which is pretty red. Also I have a reason for everybody else for being green, but my thinking for Shoshin is probably the weakest. I originally thought that he would be more active in the lynchings if he was red. So my team is teacher and Shoshin.

VOTE: teacher

Oh there is like 3 votes on me now. I'm vanilla and honestly the votes are fair. I'm not playing too well. The problem I'm having is that this site has 10 days for day 1. This is far too long for a day that had basically no information. So when I'm stuck, I usually just post for the sake of posting and I don't think too much about it. Can I survive this day and try to redeem myself on day 2? Once I have information to work with, I can actually throw some solid accusations using the votes from day 1.

DENMON and I have had very similar reads throughout the game so far, and hopefully my flip would clear his. His D1 case against TW and Urap were bad, but I believe their motives came from more town than scum. Other than lack of experience, activity, and charisma, I do not see where DENMON comes across as scum-alligned.

I apologize if I've missed it, but why do people scumread DENMON, other than from PoE?

Will talk about Ryno and Teacher next.

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I would love if everyone could take a bit of time to recase Ryno. I'll pick out where some of his posts have pinged me as scum or with scum-agenda, and offer a few questions at the end of this post.

Gut feeling is gut feeling, unfortunately. Maybe it's the way they seem too eager to please.

First ping. RVS vote on Lavender is fine by itself, but the language used here felt slightly forced.

Godmid, The reason why I don’t seem like I’m actively scum-hunting, is because I do not want to make someone stray from a correct read with my unsure reads.
And Ryno, My eager to please thing you have of me, is it because of my answering questions? If so I am simply trying to be helpful. If not and it’s something else like my reads, then you can make an assumption that I want to please. If it’s neither of those then can you tell me what made you think that of me?

It might be that you genuinely want to help, but I get the feeling that you want to seem like you want to help.

Ok, but can you to tell me where you get this feeling from? Of how I want to seem like I’m helping?

I can't tell you without potentially helping you, SCUM!

I suppose the allignment of this post depends on how one may interpret it. Personally, it felt fake, moreso after Lavender's town flip.

I'm not going to repeat myself again haha

Again, possible personal bias, but I scumread this by tone.

"The scum are starting to becoming obvious in this one. Anyone else seeing it yet?"

I'm suspecting shoshin a little. They need to be more helpful in conversation

Shade on shosho in a incredibly vague way that doesn't actually promote conversation.

Godmid and Lavender seem to be reactive instead of proactive, so I'm reading them as the scum atm

Vague again, Ryno scum reads Lavender again after townreading him a while ago?

VOTE: Godmid

Scum - Godmid and Teacher (based on everyone else's reads, which make sense)
Suspicious - Lavender (too defensive, not proactive) and Shoshin (too unhelpful when we arent talking about him)
Town - all others

'The problem I'm having is that this site has 10 days for day 1. This is far too long for a day that had basically no information.'

I relate, 10 days seems much too excessive. I'm from Survivor ORGs which have 24 hours for voting. Maybe I'll start enjoying this more as things move forward.

Scumread on Godmid and Teacher, "based on everyone else's reads"? What is meant by "everyone else's reads" in this case? Again, vague shade on shosho.

Suspecting TW and Ceejay atm

Explain what made TW suspective? Atleast the shade on shosho is consistent.

@Ryno, what's your current readlist? Why do you suspect TW and Ceejay? Thoughts on DENMON and myself? Why have Teacher as scum in #476? Don't need to answer all of them, just the first two would be greatly appreciated.

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Here goes nothing.

I believe that Teacher has charmed town with his confident activity and charisma

, and that I'll be lynched (teehee) for speaking heresy.

Starting with Marcus's D1 preflip readlist based on #289, I'd love to know how people read and feel about his ISO, if it were completely unrelated to Teacher.

{TW,

Lavender

} town
{Shosho, Urap, Ryno} lean-town
{

Godmid

, DENMON, Urist} null

This readlist's a bit too fence-sitty for my liking. Marcus attacked Urap for the majority of D1, then switched onto Godmid near the deadline. This isn't scum indicative by default, but realise that it allowed Marcus to fly under the radar while town was distracted with Godmid, until Teacher replaced in.

In regards to my lameass post of #460, it described what I feel about Teacher's slot well. Town's townreads on Teacher isn't because he's actually sorting or benefitting town, but because he's active and charasmatic. I don't believe I have what it takes to personally disprove him, both in direct argument and evidence, so I'll let my flip and theory do the talking.

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I'm vt

RIP my reads, sorry teacher

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btw I own Urap 5 bread

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oof, completely whiffed this game

gg lads

thanks for modding brass