Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

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VOTE: NSG

I'm sorry that you rolled scum, I'll make this quick

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VOTE: pretentious

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What do you think, Shoshin?

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Hi Baezu!

What are your thoughts on Pretentious?

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Maybe I just miss the melodic sound of Shoshins voice

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Outside of the claim stuff

What's your read on pretentious?

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I'm being neglected.

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I think that right now it is far more useful to talk to other people about you than to you directly. Sorry.

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When are you going to be properly around CoA?

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How much sadder would you be if I also voted you

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I'm not going to demand immediate townspewing action given your RL circumstances but you also aren't going to D2 without doing so.

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I'm genuinely sorry if you rolled scum Shoshin.

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Is there a reason you're treating this so adversarially?

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I'm not pushing you for a song and dance. I feel like I'm doing the exact opposite by asking you to give a time and such. I don't think I'm being at all unreasonable in my demand that you show you're town at some point over the next 14 days.

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I didn't say that you did.

I just asked you how long you wanted immunity from being scumread for inactivity.

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Alright. I'll leave you to do your thing then.

Creature you're up big boy

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VOTE: Shoshin

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Hopefully we're both town again in BNL's game?

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UNVOTE:

I was under the impression that you were just fed up and scumclaiming.

It's odd that you can't tell I'm town, RC. What's up with that?

Oh fuck yourself

VOTE: shoshin

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not actually mad at you for rolling scum. overreacted, sorry.

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what kind of page 4 question is that?

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why would you think it's

odd

that i can't tell that you're not scum when you've objectively done nothing this game and you voted me at a point where creature had already outed himself as scum?

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well you shouldn't do it as town either.

But I guess that means nothing to you?

It does not. But if you're not actually actively scumclaiming then I'd rather not be voting you right now.

What do you think of CoA so far?

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UNVOTE: for now

we're lynching creature regardless.

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and for the record I'm asking to sort you, not to sort CoA.

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That's not helpful. Why did you vote me?

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Wait, you were in Access Point?

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Don't answer that question.

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You should just say hello. Me no like votes

You think Creature's scum?

I think he's transparently so and if I'm wrong I think it'll be really obvious.

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VOTE: Creature

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I feel like you're not really talking to me and I don't like it.

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I'm amazed that a playerlist this good has managed to be this unenjoyable.

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ty friend

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Hey TheWizard what's your read on EWAF?

Oh, there are also 2 macho doctors around and 1 cop. I say they shouldn't claim unless they're under threat of being lynched.

ty for your input based creature

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i'm scumreading everyone in coa's townpool i just realized

this is going to be fun.

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mkm is a legitimate newbie who siteflaked presumably due to IRL circumstances given that they repped from all their games simultaneously.

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who do you want to vote between ewaf and egix?

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VOTE: egix96

coa is woating or scum and shoshin is probably scum so you're going to be my backup carry for this game
i think emperor is very slightly more likely town than rand

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so you're going to be my backup carry for this game

Don't you say my reads are shit though?

no comment.

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{emperor, creature, rc, CoA (probably)}

we're doing a little less awfully than I thought.

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technically if all the PRs are outside of the pool the game is already solved

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can you or coa explain that read because i'm not seeing it at all. wizard is an alt, not a newbie.

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Your reads need work, RC.

show me where I'm wrong bb

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i don't think it's a clever play at all. i mean if he's actually doctor then ok totally 100% with you that's town. but if he's VT, i don't think it's at all alignment indicative one way or another.

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shoshin I'm going to vote you in 3 hours if you don't post something substantial before then.

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oh yeah shoshin didn't do anything and it's not l-1 anymore so

VOTE: Shoshin

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Shoshin believes that I have a history of systematically misreading her, the idea of her coming in and saying "It's odd that you can't tell I'm town, what's up with that" is very strange.

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'what they're doing?'

nothing?

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Shoshin is a power player as town. She would be doing a lot more than this if she were town.

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emperor's tonally town and 185 is a townpost. not literally locktown but good enough for a 9 page game?

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even if he's an alt, I don't think he's that experienced to make that clever play.

Tbf you only need to read the previous HPO game to see where he could have got the idea from.
I don't think it's a particularly difficult derp to fake anyway.

what are you referring to?

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i read up to page 6 in 740 and i'm not seeing anything similar to what thewizard did here. am I missing something?

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also that's embarassing DS was obvious scum

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too bad that he's game throw levels of bad as town too so he gets to hard push mislynches and have no one bat an eyelash at it but tonally he was obvscum there

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ok but he's being townread for not understanding macho which is pretty different than just claiming doctor? also sleepless was town, so.

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if he's claiming VT.

also yay page 10, i'm the only person trying to solve the game and still this.

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those are bad reads and that's a bad poe pool.

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ok so I guess he's town then

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ok

VOTE: ewaf

please don't join another game with me regardless of your alignment.

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I had no reasonable way of anticipating this behaviour from you.

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if you felt the need to attempt to policy lynch me as a matter of course for playing with me then you should have alerted me before the game started so I could /out.

your play on this page is clearly not treating my slot in any semblance of good faith. hopefully it's because you're scum trying to push a mislynch but if not I'd rather not deal with this again.

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But seriously. Your whole argument was about him claiming doctor in the first place, so you shading him then town reading him when I pointed out your slip doesn't make sense at all.

"But seriously"

i think the claim is exceptionally likely to clear him if he's actually claiming doctor yes. if he doesn't actually claim to have doctor role PM then not understanding how macho works is entirely NAI for him

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What behaviour? You posted something that I saw as a slip. I scum read you for it. I voted you based on my scum read of you. Isn't that how the game works?

no the game doesn't work for ordinary people in terms of declaring on day 1 that one of two people absolutely have to be lynched because you have

such a problem

with the idea of losing to me
and you simultaneously asserting that i've slipped (by the way I say stuff like that constantly as either alignment) while treating me like an unstoppable god that's going to automatically crawl to endgame doesn't make any sense but hey if playing the game in good faith isn't good enough to beat me and tactically replacing out isn't either maybe trying to policy lynch me d1 might work

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OK. And how you gonna tell if he was seriously claiming doctor?

???

not today certainly

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i don't think it's a clever play at all. i mean if he's actually doctor then ok totally 100% with you that's town. but if he's VT, i don't think it's at all alignment indicative one way or another.

You're scum? Again?? And I'm going to lose another town game because of you???

"if he's VT..." it's not AI?? How can one be a villager yet probably scum?? Your phrasing indicates you know he is town, but are unsure if he is a doctor or a bluffing VT.

I know this vote leads to my lynch today. I don't care. My point stands.

VOTE: RC

if you can find a quote where you posted anything like this to another player in a similar situation i'll take back everything that I've said.

but you won't be able to because people don't treat random people like this. they only treat me like this.

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those are bad reads and that's a bad poe pool.

Um.. let's hypothetically assume I'm correct. What other response would you expect from a member of the scum team?

P-edit: Are you playing me? I think one of us needs to get lynched today. I am not going to spend two months playing only for you to quick hammer a townie in lylo and win the game for scum.

that and this.

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nothing even close to like that in 9:12
nothing like that in bus service

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Elsa Jay, Dr Worm for now. Not sure how I feel about you mister eyes.

I can lynch the worm if you like. Regardless of the flip this is a pro-town lynch every time.

horrible in another way but none of the same kind of stuff in donner party either

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nope. 0 instances of you insisting that the lynch absolutely must be you or one other player. relatively few instances of you even being confident about reads and in 218 you pointed out yourself that your reads were kind of bad (though as scum so maybe just bsing?) certainly nothing that even approaches a post like that on d1.

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i don't think it's a clever play at all. i mean if he's actually doctor then ok totally 100% with you that's town. but if he's VT, i don't think it's at all alignment indicative one way or another.

You're scum? Again?? And I'm going to lose another town game because of you???

"if he's VT..." it's not AI?? How can one be a villager yet probably scum?? Your phrasing indicates you know he is town, but are unsure if he is a doctor or a bluffing VT.

I know this vote leads to my lynch today. I don't care. My point stands.

VOTE: RC

those are bad reads and that's a bad poe pool.

Um.. let's hypothetically assume I'm correct. What other response would you expect from a member of the scum team?

P-edit: Are you playing me? I think one of us needs to get lynched today. I am not going to spend two months playing only for you to quick hammer a townie in lylo and win the game for scum.

this is not the posting of someone treating my slot in good faith. you don't insist that the lynch absolutely must be you or one other player on d1 anywhere else. why me?

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RC, do you want me to replace out? Would that make you happy? Because I honestly only play to have fun, not to pick up fights, and I have no tolerance for drama. You my pretend this to be our first game together if you like and carry on. I would have said what I said to just about anyone if they said what you said, but of course you won't find a previous incident because nobody did before and this is only my 6th game overall ob MS. I am not treating you differently.

i want you to treat me like any other player. i don't want you insisting on 1v1s with me on day 1. regardless of what you say you are not treating me like you treat other people.

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i understand that you're salty about losing to me. or whatever. even though firebringer was town. i can't control that. i don't even think you're scum. but I can't play around you declaring a 1 on 1 with me here when I've done more than anything else based off of a slip that isn't even a slip b/c someone told you that i was good at scum.

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i'm not trying to spew myself town here regardless of what my alignment here is. i feel like i'm justified in having a problem given that you have NEVER approached a slot like you're approaching mine in your three hundred and thirty whatever posts that i just read through.

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I am fed up with this Akarin tunnel, so I will propose this: Cop should check me tonight. Since I know the result on me I trust that there will be nothing to claim tomorrow, so the Cop will not have to out. Once we've established the Cop has no guilty we proceed to lynch Akarin.

The good thing is scum messing with the Cop by shooting me still confirms me as Town and we still lynch Akarin after my flip, and of course the Busdriver is Town so scum cannot mess with the result obtained on me.

Please nobody discuss. I am not fishing for responses. Just do it.. or don't.

like this was the closest and i still feel like there's several degrees of difference between saying this and what you're saying here.

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you can call me scum without declaring a 1v1 because you're clearly hung up on a previous game.

your reason for scumreading me is terrible but that's not even what I'm mad about.

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it's not about you posting a threat to me. i already know you don't. i'm probably going to get copped night one anyways. it's about the fact that what you're doing is so against the spirit of the game.

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hi creature this is the part where you say that i'm trying to make people feel bad about scumreading me and that I'm scum for it

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sure you're forgiven don't do it again and assuming you're not scum pls learn from this and don't do it again yeah?

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I'm confused what exactly 276 is trying to say

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oh skellen mass replaced.

welcome, buki.

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(Also I might or not have bitten more games than I can perfectly chew so don't expect my spam old meta)

don't replace into too many games?

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I can't help you until people start playing the game.

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this is the worst game i think that i've ever been in and it's not even bad in like an interesting way, it's just bad.

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VOTE: TheWizard

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even if he's actually doctor you can't keep a player alive who has reads that bad and who is this certain of them, and he really deserves to die for saying that I'm bad anyway.

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this isn't a policy lynch either. i've been wary of stepping in on the wizard situation because I felt in the long run him claiming doctor meant we'd know he's scum when he doesn't die anyway and that's why I only made a point of bringing up him not being town if he claims VT later but I don't believe that a player who claims offsite experience and is on a new site doesn't bother to read the setup or to look up the meaning of their role pm.

So RC is basically confirmed scum at this point.

He's far too good to try to lynch someone that he's not scumreading, and if he were scumreading Eyes he wouldn't get mad. Plus the way he got pissed off is scum indicative (he's fed up with people focusing on him and getting him lynched as scum, extra attention wouldn't be negative for him as a townie).

If somehow RC is town, then 1. he's bad and 2. my scumread reverts to Eyes. But that's unlikely.

My other scumreads are Creature and Egix. Game solved.

picking this post apart, him saying that I'm far too good to do X means that he's aware of my reputation on some level.
but my scum reputation

everywhere I have gone

universally precedes my town reputation. i play random games on random sites and I'm always RC the scum player, not the town player or strong general player

so i don't really buy that he knows who I am and says something as stupid as he does regarding me getting lynched as scum and not minding extra attention as town when basically anyone who would be bringing me up would be bringing me up in the context of my scum winrate which, again, was x-0 last year and is still y-0 this year.

trying to get shoshin to L-1 quickly after she brought up that she felt tempted to self vote and then moving on to try to add fuel to the 1v1 between me and ewaf is setting up at least 2 mislynches

and all of this is ignoring the fact that the read itself doesn't make sense because people can be really really bad, but this is bad outside of that.

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this isn't a policy lynch either. i've been wary of stepping in on the wizard situation because I felt in the long run him claiming doctor meant we'd know he's scum when he doesn't die anyway and that's why I only made a point of bringing up him not being town if he claims VT later but I don't believe that a player who claims offsite experience and is on a new site doesn't bother to read the setup or to look up the meaning of their role pm.

So RC is basically confirmed scum at this point.

He's far too good to try to lynch someone that he's not scumreading, and if he were scumreading Eyes he wouldn't get mad. Plus the way he got pissed off is scum indicative (he's fed up with people focusing on him and getting him lynched as scum, extra attention wouldn't be negative for him as a townie).

If somehow RC is town, then 1. he's bad and 2. my scumread reverts to Eyes. But that's unlikely.

My other scumreads are Creature and Egix. Game solved.

picking this post apart, him saying that I'm far too good to do X means that he's aware of my reputation on some level.
but my scum reputation

everywhere I have gone

universally precedes my town reputation. i play random games on random sites and I'm always RC the scum player, not the town player or strong general player

so i don't really buy that he knows who I am and says something as stupid as he does regarding me getting lynched as scum and not minding extra attention as town when basically anyone who would be bringing me up would be bringing me up in the context of my scum winrate which, again, was x-0 last year and is still y-0 this year.

trying to get shoshin to L-1 quickly after she brought up that she felt tempted to self vote and then moving on to try to add fuel to the 1v1 between me and ewaf is setting up at least 2 mislynches

and all of this is ignoring the fact that the read itself doesn't make sense because people can be really really bad, but this is bad outside of that.

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even if none of the stuff about how i'm generally perceived off site means anything to you
his read on me, is aggressively terrible in a way that should be lynched to prevent him from doing the same thing again.

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you should try a different strategy than faking a ridiculously overconfident read against someone who makes a scum career out of faking confidence in their reads

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I mean you literally saw everything that I'm being scumread here for from me in that MU game so I'll just assume that you're scum as well.

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Creature Shoshin CoA

If none of you are going to play the game then you're voting wizard with me

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CoA always feels so absent in my games. Is she scum, RC?

I thought she was town before she even posted so

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fuck off

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blame in what sense?

would you threaten to not defend someone besides me if they didn't jump through hoops for you when you shit voted them?

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the implication is that I wouldn't jump at the opportunity to get rid of town shoshin D1 and have good reasons for it.

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i don't feel like lynching her.

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ok but shoshin is cuter

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do you want to see what happens if you try to derail thewizard

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it's a threat.

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i'm low mafia energy b/c i just got back from visiting my grandmother in the hospital but when i'm not low mafia energy

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I AM A VERY AGGRESSIVE WORM

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shoshin can you fucking do something dear lord

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it's really not.

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maybe?

I thought she was scum immediately when I got my role pm in 2058.

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that's a pretty pointless question to ask. what kind of response are you looking for?

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wait how long is left on the day

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plenty of time.

shoshin if you're going to do nothing vote wizard with me.

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why do you think we should lynch your scumreads before mine?

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i think that she is more likely to be scum than she is to be town
i don't want to vote her because 1) she adds a lot of value if she's actually town having a bad game 2) i'm not worried about her endgaming or pushing mislynches right now
3) i joined this game to play with her and coa and coa is super busy so

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i'm speedlynching you tomorrow if i'm alive so.

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you've claimed a scumread on wizard and yet are the single biggest resistance to actually lynching wizard
you've agreed to lynch wizard tomorrow conditional on the counterwagon you're pushing on lynching scum? and tried to tie a push on me to it flipping town.
skellen did absolutely fucking nothing while she was in the game.
the interactions between the two of you where he just immediately calls you VI instead of doing anything with you feel SvS from both parts

VOTE: the wizard

@RC why wizard over some other slots?

not that he doesn't sound bad

you, while voting wizard, while calling him scum, asked me why I wanted to vote him over other people. asked a whole bunch of people their wizard read. no follow up.
you invented a reaction test on me (that you would know would only piss me off) to have an excuse to unvote wizard then changed your vote to shoshin
you're also hard pushing what essentially amounts to a lurker wagon despite having really good reasons to scumread wizard that you agree on.

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Hmm

Actually you're being different than usual with me in hindsight I think. What's up with you, have you always hated my guts like that or...?

I don't hate you I just hate the role PM you got this game.

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the simple answer is that I don't think you're dumb enough to fight a wagon we both agree on in favor of one that I don't want to lynch.

Let's lynch Buki?

why not wizard?

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So RC is basically confirmed scum at this point.

He's far too good to try to lynch someone that he's not scumreading, and if he were scumreading Eyes he wouldn't get mad. Plus the way he got pissed off is scum indicative (he's fed up with people focusing on him and getting him lynched as scum, extra attention wouldn't be negative for him as a townie).

If somehow RC is town, then 1. he's bad and 2. my scumread reverts to Eyes. But that's unlikely.

My other scumreads are Creature and Egix. Game solved.

this is a literally never town post.

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and if you agree that buki is scum and you're town it should be really obvious to you that wizard is scum as well based on how he has played

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hey buki if you think shoshin's scum her complete refusal to vote wizard should be concerning you right around now?

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i have played a shit ton more games with shoshin than you have.

if you're going to choose to push it instead then 1) wizard is going to get lynched anyway and 2) i'm going to lynch you tomorrow.

if that's the direction you choose to go down then you're welcome to it.

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i have played a shit ton more games with shoshin than you have.

if you're going to choose to push it instead then 1) wizard is going to get lynched anyway and 2) i'm going to lynch you tomorrow.

if that's the direction you choose to go down then you're welcome to it.

this is the last thing that I plan to say regarding this.

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i townread mutantdevle largely because NSG did. varsoon lynch had to happen because he was objectively being an obnoxious anti-town shit.
he fakeclaimed IC to try to mislynch me. that's not the kind of player that you want to keep alive. and my reads are a lot worse when I'm being scumread by morons.

If I actually strongarmed people, I think I could get Shoshin lynched. But since I'm not really going to do that, maybe Wizard will get lynched first, and if he flips scum, it'll look bad on me.

It's not about "you" deciding if I'll be lynched or not, it would be pretty much Wizard flip.

do you want to see what actually happens if you try? you can do your best.

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I never said shoshin was town. I said you have chosen exactly the course of action that is the most +win equity for a Buki/Wizard scumteam after having bad associatives with him. If you're town and have decided when I'm putting you and him together for reasons you have agreed are justified then you're objectively playing against win condition.

please don't cop buki btw. we're just lynching him and you'll have to claim to defend him if he flips town. use the cop on someone relevant.

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I don't want to sacrifice the game because of my ego.

isn't that what a hypothetical town you is doing anyway by refusing to vote wizard when you know it's going to completely throw away town unity to no gain?

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i'm not deciding what the cop does. i'm telling them exactly one action that they're not making. i don't think that's super unreasonable.
if I had a really good reason to decide what the cop did I would absolutely say what they did though.

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you've already stated your belief (dead wrong) that you can prevent thewizard lynch, so, why wouldn't you?

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i don't care what you have to say. you vote with me or you don't. but thewizard is getting lynched and if you were defending scum you're going to die for it.

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i'm trying to lynch scum and there's nothing less unreasonable than trying to lynch scum

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also that's a horrible misrepresentation of my case on him. that's just one point. the other point is that he clearly understands my reputation yet is pushing me for something that doesn't make sense from someone who knows my reputation. his entire case on me was pointed out to be garbage and his response was to create another entirely unrelated case instead of to back down on the read. he's pushing me strategically and I'm fairly sure the push on me is something orchestrated in daychat probably from someone who is aware that in recent months I've been lynchbaity, aka someone like you.

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that was a sarcastic reference to a previous game where I was accused of doing that, not an actual serious statement.

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also the paragraph structure of

my reason for x is the following:

x

is extremely scum indicative and not something that you usually do as town

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"Hm"
"I see"

statements of having a thought process as opposed to having a thought process and posting the results

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hmmmmmmmmmmm

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17 uses of the word hm over 65 posts

he has said the word hm in 1/4 of his posts

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actually

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do what you need to do man it's not going to help

wizard tonight you tomorrow.

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don't hide behind not wanting to make the thread toxic, come on, show me what you got. don't disappoint me!

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Btw at this point you have to switch to hard townreading Wizard b/c you're going to get quicklynched after he goes down and you might as well do your best to keep him alive.

You should towncase him and yourself just to be safe

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I mean I know that you're not flavor leaf and you're going to be somewhat of a pushover but you can at least give me

something

.

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Aww you're tired poor you. So you're not going to actually give me a fight?

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I am left tremendously unsatisfied by this product or service.

Wizard call me scum some more

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Yeah, see?

You're thinking this as some sort of challenge

When I just don't want to repeat the shit I did in past games when I ended up annoyed

That's why that kind of shit happens with you RC, and you never learn, and end up blaming it on the other person.

you made this a challenge. next time just bus.

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you'd rather derail the game than vote scum, you mean.

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you have an open invitation to all the caps locks you need. you think that you can prevent me lynching thewizard, then try it. you can't say dumb shit like that then not back it up.

[RadiantCowbells]

shoshin how do you not understand that thewizard is scum here?

[RadiantCowbells]

this guy would rather get into this huge fight with me then vote someone he has claimed to scumread who he was distancing from since he repped in. how does that make them ever not svs

After Newbie 1870 I kind of promised myself to not do that shitshow again.

Whatever RC, I think I've already talked enough with you, and you don't adress my point that Shoshin meta points heavily to her being scum and that you don't want to lynch her just because you don't "wanna".

If the playerlist actually falls for that kind of thing and end up lynching me it's not really going to be my fault.

massive misrep again. i'm not trying to lynch you.

I'm trying to lynch THEWIZARD.

WHO YOU HAVE AGREED IS SCUM.

but when a wagon actually showed up there, fuck no I need to randomly wagon shoshin for not playing the game

[RadiantCowbells]

a shit ton of people had awful townreads on thewizard, including you not scumreading them, whereas buki is basically outed after the last few pages. wizard first is way better.

[RadiantCowbells]

The fact that both of you agree wizard is scum and neither of you are willing to vote them makes me kinda sick to my stomach

[RadiantCowbells]

you did nothing this entire game what gives you the right to lead here exactly?

[RadiantCowbells]

at this point it should be

really clear

that i'm town from your point of view. you have objectively done fuck all to spew you town and the main reason I do townread you is based off of buki's play.

I'm lynching Shoshin because her town meta is to be more aggressive. Prove me wrong.

I don't have to prove you wrong. I just have to lynch wizard then you.

[RadiantCowbells]

whichever of you is town i'm so fucking pissed at right now you have no idea

[RadiantCowbells]

sure. vote him.

[RadiantCowbells]

if you're town here don't expect me to ever follow you again.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you plainly said

"Buki, I think you're scum with Wiz from the position you're taking here" I could understand, but it's clear by your posts that you're fucking up around just to try to win a "challenge".

You also purposely ignore my points about Shoshin, that you even recognized before this began.

I'm trying to lynch scum. I don't believe your current line of play comes from town. I don't think that you hard resist wagoning a mutual scumread in favor of picking a gigantic fight with me.
It's really that simple. The hyperbole is nothing to do with you, it's how I make sure that I actually get the lynch through.

this isn't about winning any challenge, it's about winning.

[RadiantCowbells]

if you're town here don't expect me to ever follow you again.

Me?

didn't you promise that you'd never make posts like 499? you're not some rando i don't like hearing shit like that from you.

[RadiantCowbells]

3 more votes for wizard.

[RadiantCowbells]

If he knows me how does he say literally anything that he has said about me thus far this game?

[RadiantCowbells]

And no

I did not push for further elaboration from you

I said that in late game if you claimed VT you weren't clear

I also explicitly said we don't prompt you for more info today.

I started pushing you when you pushed me.and under the assumption that you would end up claiming doc. Now you have. Now you still get lynched because you're scum

[RadiantCowbells]

OK. And how you gonna tell if he was seriously claiming doctor?

???

not today certainly

[RadiantCowbells]

At no point did I prompt him for anything regarding claims

I did discuss the pretentious claim but that was because I thought it was VT/scum as opposed to scum/PR.

He claims to know me yet everything he has said about me this game is inconsistent with claiming knowledge about me. Everything. He had to be prompted to know that I had a good scum game for fucks sake.

[RadiantCowbells]

"overexplaining myself"?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm pointing out that his scum read on me is bullshit, doesn't align with the things that he's said this game, and that he's scum.

I'm not going to stop until he's dead so if you're sick of reading explanations of why he's scum you should vote him.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I'm hoping to lynch you.

[RadiantCowbells]

btw if he were town he'd be saying something more along the lines of the fact that I'm still trying to lynch him through the doctor claim.
not trying to argue that I was trying to fish for info when you were

FUCKING OBVIOUSLY

a doctor if I was scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

"I'm claiming PR yet I would rather get lynched than vote anyone but town's second best player"

[RadiantCowbells]

To be honest I wouldn't have thought he really was a doctor because of that claim

the "fuck" and the part of not understanding Macho seems pretty fake

tbh I have no idea how I would have reacted to the claim were I scum but I found it pretty fake yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

she's been such for periods before. never for an entire game before. don't understand why you wouldn't be screaming at him to unvote in scum PT

until I caught RC scumclaiming.

you mean doing something that I've done in both of my most recent MU town games? and several times before that? yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

also doesn't that contradict the previous narrative whereby I was trying to out your PR? are you Phighter or something?

[RadiantCowbells]

(he's not phighter, I'd recognize him if he was)

[RadiantCowbells]

you realize I'm not even the best town player in this lobby, correct? Or is COA scum with you?

[RadiantCowbells]

This is like

the same shitshow of always

i mean, you have to lynch people who do this. at least this time it's scum unlike varsoon who was just a moron?

you understand how none of his treatment of my slot makes sense whether he knows who I am or doesn't, right?

[RadiantCowbells]

ALSO HOW IS THE GUY WHO CLAIMS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FLIP DOCTOR AFTER BEING POWERLYNCHED BY ME WORRIED THAT I LIVE TO ENDGAME?

[RadiantCowbells]

cop: HMM I WONDER WHO I SHOULD CHECK MAYBE THE PERSON WHO JUST LYNCHED A TPR AND WHO I WAS GOING TO CHECK ANYWAYS :thonk:

[RadiantCowbells]

note that he's not even, like, trying to get the cop to check me. only to lynch me. not considering how his apparent doc flip affects the game from then on. just trying to survive today.

[RadiantCowbells]

if this were really a town doctor he'd be fucking screaming for the cop to be on me. but he hasn't even mentioned the idea when he's at l-2.

[RadiantCowbells]

L-1

i wanna post waiting on the hammer to fall but i'm not gonna

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really think that line of reasoning is that solid but I know that at this point you just keep spamming to make it seem like there is no way that it's obvious.

Hm, to be honest if this is town I'll laugh off a lot

i think it's extremely solid that he has suggested everything besides copping me b/c that doesn't actually help him.

[RadiantCowbells]

is that not the super obvious thing to do here as a town doctor who is getting lynched

say "hey you better fucking cop this guy who i think scumclaimed and who drove my lynch"

-so buki is gamethrowing-. no emotion on an emotional statement. just

you're gamethrowing

[RadiantCowbells]

Or are you saying that he's gamethrowing for voting you as his partner because the only thing gamethrowing was not voting for you like a day ago

[RadiantCowbells]

This town has shown no signs of intelligence. It's entirely possible they could be talked into ignoring and/or lynching a Cop.

you heard him boys

the town could be talked into ignoring the cop.

"guys i have a guilty on rc"

"no no no are you suuuuure it said there's a guilty"

"idk i think rc is town mcqueen probably just mod errored"

[RadiantCowbells]

no no no

you're an insane cop

so your result means RC is town

[RadiantCowbells]

i mean he claimed cop

but whose to say he's really a cop

do you have a badge number?

[RadiantCowbells]

"yeah i know you SAID you had a guilty on RC"
"but I think he's town"
"you must be lying to get him lynched because you don't like him, he's actually town!!!!!"

[RadiantCowbells]

i mean the cop said he had a guilty

but that could really mean anything

[RadiantCowbells]

it could literally mean anything

[RadiantCowbells]

If I'm scum, what happens next?

I'll not even bother defending myself too much if people buy RC's theory

This town has shown no signs of intelligence. It's entirely possible they could be talked into ignoring and/or lynching a Cop.

Hm

bad posting

So you, a townie, would rather lynch me, knowing that it will either be a mislynch or result in one, rather than lynch someone you said you were sure was scum?

"hey you shouldn't lynch me, people will think that you're scum. lynching scum? nah bro u gotta stay alive know what i'm saying?"

[RadiantCowbells]

yeah i know that you innoed RC but maybe he was so good he fooled the mod into thinking he was town

[RadiantCowbells]

wow this game actually got fun

[RadiantCowbells]

i need to sig that

[RadiantCowbells]

i know wizard's role pm said he was a mafia goon, but maybe he was actually a doctor who was a death miller?

[RadiantCowbells]

like there's really no way of knowing what it means

[RadiantCowbells]

i know you said he's a VI, but that could really mean anything tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

It's like...talking about economy with leftists

it doesn't work, and no one gets happy

oof. as a canadian, oof.

[RadiantCowbells]

Buki desperately wanted to lynch Shoshin a few minutes ago. He has no rational reason (annoyance is not a rational reason) not to do so now.

and yet... you don't think it's even conceivable he could be scum doing that. huh.

[RadiantCowbells]

tactically annoying sounds like a great band name tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

If the Op is lying and you do have daychat, then it's possible.

As is, I don't see that level of scum theater occurring.

wow

fake cop results and lies in the OP. what a website.

[RadiantCowbells]

Being mad at me is not a valid reason for taking actions harmful to the town.

[RadiantCowbells]

wait wasn't I scumclaiming when I did the same thing? why is it a scumclaim for me and not for buki? this is unfair. i demand equal treatment!

[RadiantCowbells]

Wizard is a banned user by the way, I'm 95% sure I know who they are.

[RadiantCowbells]

so I don't get hammered during the night.

this is a feature not a bug

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really want to smear their name if I'm wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

thank u amrck