Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Fumuki]

Wait.

Baezu really was softing doctor with the "I think one of the doctors is lying?"

I thought that it was scum!her crumbing a doctor claim for later tbh

[Fumuki]

This game makes less and less sense the more I think about it

[Fumuki]

We should simply have lynched Shoshin today...what the hell I`m doing...

But Wizard was really annoying the hell out of me though, like, he simply was messing up the plans

[Fumuki]

We should simply have lynched Shoshin today.

yesterday*

By the way I think Shoshin might have site flaked?

[Fumuki]

Forget it, she has posted but it`s been some time ago

There was Easter and all though, understandable.

[Fumuki]

RC let`s flip a coin to decide who to lynch today

My plan of lynching Baezu failed

[Fumuki]

VOTE: Eyes

I also forgot most of my reads except for [Shoshin, Baezu, Egix, Radiant]

and with Baezu died and Shoshin inactive site-wide, I`m less confident in all of them.

[Fumuki]

Oh right, the cop thing?

I think that cop targeted you though?

If he targeted Eyes today, it might be good for him to target you tonight, specially because it can lead to confusion otherwise.

[Fumuki]

And if cop targeted RC today, probably target Eyes tonight.

To avoid confusion.

[Fumuki]

i don't believe that you can't figure out that i'm the same alignment between this game and 2070 and I've felt like you were the same alignment since the beginning of that one.

I`m playing pretty differently here than in 2070 cowbells

and also I can`t be bothered to fight you right now, if you want to scum read me it`s fine, but I`m town.

[Fumuki]

Also I`m bad at mafia and you yourself said that I think

so why do you expect me to be able to correctly read you anyway? My record on that isn`t good

[Fumuki]

you're doing the exact same bullshit trying to work up paranoia in this game. you even quoted wizard's "maybe the cop faked a result". if you're town the way you've played you have something else coming

Hmmmmm

what?

what do you mean I said cop faked a result? I just said that since you were so adamant about not being copped, we don`t know for sure if cop checked you, or if they checked Eyes. If they checked you, tonight they should go for Eyes, and if they checked Eyes, they should cop you tonight.

can you stop going bat crazy here please? Unless you`re scum but I don`t want to work on that right now

[Fumuki]

i'll just wait to hear what NSG thinks.

I`m glad they didn`t kill NSG in that case

[Fumuki]

you haven't actually said that you scumread me though. you just keep asking for me to be copped, which overlaps with someone that you obviously want to nightkill.
if you think that i'm scum then your actions make sense but at no point have you suggested that I'm scum and you've even said the opposite and it seemed like until wiz ended up being not doc you were playing for the nightkill on me.

Radiant

the reason I want you copped, is because if I ever think you`re scum, and I need to try to start a wagon on you, I would need dozens of vodka or else I would give up in the middle of it.

You being copped just in case you`re scum, helps so much mine and I think others mental sanity a lot. Trying to lynch you is bound to either fail or at least add +100 1v1 pages.

[Fumuki]

but do you think that I'm scum?

Maybe. It can go either way, and I for sure would trade the cop itself for a clear or guilty on you.

I don`t have enough vodkas to try to 1v1 you ever again.

[Fumuki]

you don't get to just say that i need to be copped because you have a personal problem with the idea of lynching me: if you think that way then you should probably not be in this game.

It`s not a personal problem RC. It`s just that you`re that good in avoiding being lynched, you know this, and I don`t trust many people here to actually lynch you if you`re ever scum later.

It`s not because I`ve a problem with you. It`s simply because if you`re a deepwolf you can easily win this if you`re not copped.

[Fumuki]

and given that you used the exact same personal conflict with me stuff to try to fuck over night actions and spew yourself town in the last game, you claiming that you're playing 'differently' is a strange thing to say.

Radiant, I was so bat crazy shit by the end of that game, that I`m sure you know the difference between here and there.

Also, I only used AtE as a very last resource there. I`m not in despair or anything here, there`s no reason to do it, I don`t like conflicts and that`s exactly why I would like a cop check on you.

The cop can even check me after you.

[Fumuki]

scum are going to nightkill me or lose.

Like, that`s why I want you copped. I disagree with this.

I think you`re good but that doesn`t mean scum can`t win if they don`t nightkill you or something. Also, what if you`re scum yourself?

I don`t know why you hate the cop check so much, maybe you`re scum and it`s understandable, but even as town in Mini 2070 you trash talked a bit the cop for targeting you. I think you should try to understand a bit more why people would like you copped, but that`s just my 2 cents and you might want to avoid that habit because as scum you would always end up guiltied and that`s no fun.

[Fumuki]

I`m particularly against cops in any setups to be honest, but since we have one let`s try to use it I guess

[Fumuki]

Ok Radiant, you won

unhappily I don`t have a vodka and this is probably our last game together so the cop can very well do whatever he wants and I just hope he crumbs what he is been doing at night if that`s the case

who are you thinking about lynching today?

[Fumuki]

Then it`s a Follow-The-NSG strategy?

Hm

Do you think that NSG is absolutely town here?

[Fumuki]

i have actual scumreads but i'm waiting for NSG to talk about it obv

Are you really scum reading me or were you simply pissed off by me advocating for a cop on you?

[Fumuki]

i don't know. i don't deal well with people pushing shitty lynches on me. that's why i want a second opinion.

I`m actually cracking up a bit

specially because I wasn`t really advocating for a lynch on you, but only a check

but yeah, I understand you, sometimes it`s frustating to get scum read/suspected.

[Fumuki]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Now that`s what I call having guts.

Almost lynched yesterday but voting who saved her

Oh right, Shoshin did say she would vote RC if Wiz flipped town I guess.

[Fumuki]

You think RC's town?

With Wiz and Baezu town flip it can go either way.

Not interested in the slot today though, I might be more interested in you/Egix/Celica/Dr Worm.

[Fumuki]

GiF you're so reasonable that it makes me think that I really shouldn't sheep you

but I want to sheep you

so if you have a good scum read I can buy it

Also your tell relating to RC is actually valid most of the time

[Fumuki]

I was coincidentally thinking about lynching Egix today

[Fumuki]

Maybe Egix/Dr Worm is where I want to go today

maybe also between GiF/RC but not today I think.

[Fumuki]

Shoshin what is your read on me?

[Fumuki]

and who will you vote GiF?

[Fumuki]

Let's just speedlynch someone already.

The hopelessness of this game is going to go on until we lynch at least one red

[Fumuki]

Also ooooh I can't read creature

Me neither but I would say that he has town points after Baezu flip.

However, Creature if scum doesn't really is going to try to influence scum night actions too much so...maybe there's simple other scum that figured Baezu crumbing and decided killing her not giving a fuck about Creature's opinion

[Fumuki]

NK analysis ins't bad

NK analysis on Creature in a 3 man scumteam is bad though. I agree with that.

[Fumuki]

He actually defended Baezu before d1 end

I remember that

[Fumuki]

Not saying that this makes him locktown or anything but yeah, I would rather go for other slots today I think

[Fumuki]

VOTE: Egix

I would consider voting Pretentious slot as well (now GiF) but active players are too comforting in this game for me to want lynch him today

[Fumuki]

I think for some weird reason that Flippy Nips is more likely town than scum.

I don't have solid reasons.

[Fumuki]

To be honest it was very easy if you knew beforehand that she was town.

I thought she was scum being advised in the scum PT to crumb doctor but was doing it very wrong.

[Fumuki]

i was also expecting you to townread me for the same reason, fumuki.

Yeah but although I'm giving you town points I don't think that solidifies a town read on you.

I'm like, looking for other slots right now.

Dr.Worm is also a very satisfying lynch I think

[Fumuki]

NSG was commenting about scum!Baezu too

[Fumuki]

Sorting in order of postcount

Buki/Skellen
RadiantCowbells
TheWizard
Shoshin
Creature
northsidegal/CultOfAthena
Dr Worm
Eyes without a face
Egix96
Pretentious
Baezu
Emperor flippyNips
Celica/Miss Kobayashi Maru

HOT-TAKE:: 2 SCUMS are below DR WORM!!

Look what I found guys.

I'm dying to lynch one scum in Egix/Dr Worm/Eyes

Eyes not today because of the cop thing though

[Fumuki]

The way that NSG and Creature seemed to read Baezu as scum though is kind of pretty town?

[Fumuki]

Like, I think there's good chances from anyone pov of [Creature, NSG, Fumuki] at least having 2 townies.

We all looked on Baezu and mindmelt in "She's so scummy it's not even funny". Also Wiz said the same thing.

I want to give town points to people scum reading Baezu not only because of the nightkill, but because it was a very natural thing from a town pov imo.

[Fumuki]

I'm not townreading him either but there's supposedly a cop check between him/RC so...

Not today I guess

[Fumuki]

buki was widely townread for very similar reasons in 2070.

huh?

what do you mean here?

[Fumuki]

Oh no GiF

that tell doesn't work on Eyes

he can go hail mary with anyone and have lolreads as either alignment I think.

[Fumuki]

To be honest I'm pretty concerned with the cop being in the lurkers and not having read the game/what to do.

Maybe not even targeting anyone.

Very worried.

[Fumuki]

Why are you openguessing a cop

Why I wouldn't?

Actually, I'm not guessing anything, I'm just commenting a possibility. I didn't say any name.

[Fumuki]

I will take that as a compliment.

is a town read a compliment though...

[Fumuki]

Also have you guys felt like we shitpost too much?

Because I feel like we four alone can post way more than the rest of the playerlist together.

[Fumuki]

Don't be shy Shoshin.

It's ok to shitpost so much in the game that you add whole pages of your own.

It's...okay...

...

I think...

[Fumuki]

Actually I'm reading Dr.Worm ISO and he is too amusing to be lynched.

He is even more amusing than Kain Tepes I would say.

[Fumuki]

I could sheep GiF in Celica here.

I think that the slot is most liekly town than not but...not a bad lynch maybe.

Also I'm low energy.

[Fumuki]

Anyway I thought you wanted me lynched. Why join me in Celica when you think she's town?

I already said this but I'll repeat:

I just want to sheep someone.

As long as it's out of Eyes/RC/NSG/Creature for today I'm fine with almost anyone.

[Fumuki]

I kinda want to townread Fumuki rn for some reason.

it's because I'm town

it's obvious

and everyone that has seen me play as scum should know that

but maybe I'm a bit biased to say about my own meta...

[Fumuki]

i'm outvoted. grats on the undeserved win if you're scum.

thank you.

oh wait

I shouldn't say that yet huh

[Fumuki]

my best guess at scum right now is 3/3 celica/shoshin/fumuki

ok this is getting ridiculous RC and I'm giving you some scum points for this

If I was scum with Shoshin, I would have never budged from her wagon today and right now would be creating some bs narrative like I did in 2070 with Chenn/Vork/JPG

[Fumuki]

call me scum 1 more time when i've already agreed to be copped and I 100% guarantee that you die today.

you've agreed to be copped...?

[Fumuki]

cop if you weren't on me yesterday you're on me tonight
doc on me no matter what.

oh ok

found it

[Fumuki]

If Egix and Eyes are town, maybe I'm wrong in my weak town reads and either Celica or Emperor can be scum.

Not sure if I buy town!Egix so easily here though.

I wonder if I should sheep you guys or if I should derptunnel someone?

It'll be sad if I'm wrong though

[Fumuki]

RC/NSG/Creature
Eyes (cop check?)
Dr.Worm
Celica?
Shoshin/Emperor/GiF/Egix

I'm fine with lynching from Celica to below except GiF for today (to be clear, I can live with a Celica lynch).

[Fumuki]

Reading Celica posts I sometimes get these flashbacks from my scum game. She tries to sound natural on her reads, going forth and back like what a supposed townie would do.

I want to town read that because normally it's right to town read it, but I don't know how good she is as scum and that's why I would be fine with a lynch there I guess.

[Fumuki]

Celica/Emperor/Pretentious isn't that much of a bad solve?

Emperor has been on Pretentious since early game

Celica "liked" votes on Emperor in day 1

Pretentious isn't townie at all and also "didn't like" Emperor

Kind of an unexpected team but not impossible. Unless someone here knows how to read GiF well or he has already town told here?

How good is GiF as scum anyway?

[Fumuki]

i am also preliminarily townreading emperor.

@emperor

, do you only have the one completed scumgame here?

No, he has 3 or 4 scum games.

Almost all his early games were scum games.

I looked it up and he seemed very very slightly more town than scum here, but not enough interactions/posts for a real read I think.

[Fumuki]

stop trying to randomly solve the scumteam.

it's the best part of it though?????

[Fumuki]

Gif isn't actually a god but he's basically a god of scumplay

This statement may or may not be correct

I wonder if this year will produce a meme to live up to this one.

"for the homies" is good but the mastina video was too much.

[Fumuki]

Pretentious basically ignores Egix slot

[Fumuki]

1+ table + sunday = Shoshin/Pretentious/Egix

let's go boys

VOTE: Shoshin

[Fumuki]

If I'm wrong on someone it's more probably Celica than Emperor but...

[Fumuki]

Yesterday there is clearly a confusion between asking the cop to check RC and Eyes

We don't know if the cop checked RC or Eyes.

In that case, the cop should tomorrow check the other unchecked one from the suggestion of yesterday, to avoid confusion in clears/guilties.

At least it's where I'm at?

the most conspiracy theory we could have is RC trying to take the fall for celica scum buddy but I don't think Celica wins a LyLo too often.

[Fumuki]

VOTE: Celica

whatever to be honest

Shoshin is at least posting I suppose

[Fumuki]

Brilliant theory, that one.

it's a dumb theory and I never believed it

I just didn't understand why NSG thought you could be manipulating her about the cop thing.

[Fumuki]

Fumuki scum is the way scum win this game.

awnt thx

but I'm town

[Fumuki]

NSG is sure hard-working

UNVOTE:

I can sheep you if you've something good there NSG, as long as it's outside RC/Eyes because of the cop thing.

[Fumuki]

I was joking about the "1 + table + sunday" but at least two of Shoshin/Pretentious/Egix might be scum for real.

Shoshin seems kind of forcing their reads/questions to me although it has gotten better than in day 1.

Pretentious ISO is like...very meh. Very very meh.

Egix is added there because "I need a thirth" and he is ignored by Shoshin and Pretentious for most of the game I think.

Why the town read in GiF though NSG? I don't feel he has done anything particularly towny.

I think I could pretty much fake what he has done and I'm not a good scum player at all. Do you have any special reason or it's gut?

[Fumuki]

Do you want me to leave the vote somewhere before leaving?

I might not be back for quite a bit of time. Maybe even replaced if it takes longer than I expect.

[Fumuki]

Will I ever be a townread again or is that just not happening

I'm townreading you right now that you agreed to be copped if it's consoling

[Fumuki]

VOTE: Celica

If we're wrong at least tomorrow we probably get at least one scum

[Fumuki]

It's not a "just because" vote.

I just don't feel confident in reading the slot, and they're barely posting so...

[Fumuki]

prod dodge?

[Fumuki]

not much time on my hands here.

all I have to say about Shoshin is that...I don't know, it's a very weird slot in the game.

I can see the slot flipping scum, but like, why is she playing like this if she is scum? does she always avoid taking a direction as scum?

Here she seems pretty lost and I...sympathize a lot with that. I feel like most of the scum would have at least a half-assed narrative on their reads, but looking in Shoshin ISO there really seems to be nothing.

I dunno, it can flip scum but I don't particularly feel strong about it. I would need to check Shoshin scum meta more but I don't have the time right now.

[Fumuki]

I think a lynch on Titus might be slightly better but dunno.

[Fumuki]

Meh, but in the end I can go for Shoshin sure

her ISO is like...so fuzzy.

[Fumuki]

my today lynch pool in that case is [Shoshin, Pretentious, Titus, Worm]

If I vote with my heart, it would be Pretentious/GiF to be honest. But since it doesn't seem viable... (and I don't want to make many enemies tbh)

Maybe Titus>Worm>Shoshin?

I think Worm is kind of towny in some posts, but that "hot-take two scum below me in the playerlist" gives me the creepies. Maybe I can exchange Worm for Shoshin there.

[Fumuki]

You're still going on with that scum read on me...

NSG also has Shoshin in her pool and isn't voting her right now

[Fumuki]

Are you saying that maybe the team is Shoshin + me?

I was the one leading Shoshin wagon on d1 while you were the one defending her.

Stop doing those pre-flip assoaciatives when it doesn't really glue.

[Fumuki]

and why I would pop in today going for a shoshin wagon just to not follow it up as well?

If I was bussing I would do it until the end. There is literally no point to stop it midway.

Shoshin is in L-what anyway?

[Fumuki]

this wagon is going to happen. if you're not on it at eod you're going to die tomorrow.

whatever. I would thank you regardless of alignment.

I'm playing this game mostly out of duty than enjoyment tbh.

[Fumuki]

it's like

why the hell shoshin plays like this as scum? is she this bad in faking reads?

[Fumuki]

I had come up with that theory

but if it's motivation, why is she posting so much in d2? or did is she posting less right now?

d2 begin she was posting plenty.

[Fumuki]

d1 she lurked

I don't think she lurked d2.

[Fumuki]

tbh

VOTE: Shoshin

Not trying to be an asshat but being, I just remembered you're too annoying for me to seriously engage this game RC. Take your lynch as either alignment.

I had slightly forgot about it since I didn't log in for 4 days but now the memory is vivid again. I could sheep NSG here as well but this might be for the better.

RC/Shoshin is probably not a team so if she flips red we're good. If shoshin flips town, cop is 100% on you RC (if already checked RC go for Eyes?)

[Fumuki]

the unique way I can engage with you RC, is if I try to scream over you in the thread, and I'm fairly tired of that from my experience in day 1 already.

You made me scream so much for a Shoshin wagon instead of Wiz, only to actually try to shitty the thread with a "Fumuki+Shoshin 100% scum" in day 2.

I'm honestly speechless.

[Fumuki]

two players that have exceptional wagons today

where's my GiF wagon?

Because if there was a wagon in Pret/GiF, I would be joining it.

[Fumuki]

Hm

I'm here?

[Fumuki]

Fumuki, Creature, NSG, & GIF are locktown for me.

GiF being locktown worries me about TMI reads.

I get a town read but lock town is too much

[Fumuki]

Fumuki, Creature, NSG, & GIF are locktown for me.

I am playing while driving.

...

[Fumuki]

RadiantCowbells requested replacement, and brassherald replaces him.

Hm...

RC might be town. What are the odds of him replacing when the game is this much of a mess? I feel like he would be laughing at us if he was scum instead of replacing.

Need to check it afterwards but yeah.

[Fumuki]

I TR Fumuki but only because I thought Skellen was very townie.

This might be town.

Ok guys, maybe we'll actually stop this game from being a shitshow and get to lynching scum since players are playing the game now.

[Fumuki]

@mod maybe it's asking too much but can we get more 1 day in the deadline? This game had lots of replacements and inactivity.

[Fumuki]

northsidegal is receiving a final prod. She has 48 hours to post or she will be replaced.

NSG come to play as well, the shitshow is ~probably~ over

and I'm not saying this to shit talk RC. It's just that I've too much of a playstyle clash with him.

It's no one fault. It's just what it is.

[Fumuki]

Since the shitshow is over I want to set this straight. For real.

I'm very afraid of scum!Shoshin making a fool out of me here, but yeah, I honestly don't feel that Shoshin is that great of a lynch compared to other slots. At least not right now.

[Fumuki]

I've some time on my hands here, and honestly was expecting to come here to ask for replacement, but I can spare some hours to try to solve the game right now.

I might end up posting in a row in the next few pages but I'll try to keep it down to the minimum.

[Fumuki]

I've been searching some Shoshin games and I retract my meta on her.

Definitely not completely retracting, but I thought I had seen more of her games than I actually have? I have this habit of skimming through ongoing games and I had seen Shoshin quite a lot, however she rolls town quite a lot? although I didn't look game by game (I search for topics she posted in and try to see if there she posted in a "scum PT" in that game, if not I assume that she was town there), I've only found a very old scum game of hers now that I'm diligently reading them.

I'm not saying she has been towny in a meta way here though. Just that I thought I knew more about her than I actually do. Also I'm not particularly counting the Starcraft game as a scum game since you were third party.

[Fumuki]

I'm reading Fire on the Mountain and what the hell...

That game is...rude.

I'm just watching and wondering what's going on while hiding in the background.

Gold post of the game by the way.

[Fumuki]

I indeed had less knowledge on Shoshin that I thought I had, but Shoshin really do feels weird here, especially in day 1.

As NSG said, a "caricature" of her usual self I would say.

[Fumuki]

Actually, I'm taking most of Shoshin meta to the trash can.

Shoshin meta right now can change drastically I would say. It's unstable grounds and not reliable. She seems to not be confident with her own methods.

I'll review her ISO here but maybe the optimal play is to try something else today, and cop checks Shoshin tonight? Brass slot is probably be easier to engage with so I'm not as worried as I was before with RC. (I don't really know how to read him that accurately though).

[Fumuki]

I was planning to re:read the whole game for last but maybe that's too much effort...

[Fumuki]

Shoshin, nice. I want to talk with you.

I want to know how you felt in day 1 and why you played like you played here.

Real-time interactions would be preferable.

[Fumuki]

My thoughts on Titus are not solid yet. I'm trying to solve the game again.

I really couldn't play like I wanted with RC around, we have too much of a playstyle clash.

[Fumuki]

What don't you understand about my play on D1?

Lots of things, but I think it would be better for you to simply tell me why you played the way you played.

[Fumuki]

How many of those games are finished?

and of the finished ones, how many were you scum in?

also, let's say if you had hipothetically rolled scum in a game right after Fire on the Mountain. How do you think you would play?

You think that your scum play doesn't work, but how do you think that you could make it work?

Please try to not answer with a "I don't know".

[Fumuki]

Creature, you said you had some issues IRL, are you better right now?

I'm asking this because it can reflect in how I read you.

Also, do you think I should be town reading you here Creature?

[Fumuki]

I don't necessarily think so Creature.

Actually, when I joined the site you were known as quite a strong town player. Mastina even said that if you didn't know who to vote for, it was +ev town to sheep you because you frequently was right.

I need to say though, recently I feel like you've not put much effort in your games. Maybe it's because you've gotten busy with something else, but that's my 2 cents.

[Fumuki]

I disagree that my scum play doesn't work.

This isn't my opinion, it was your own in Fire Mountain (where you were town).

You clearly said that your scum play needed a bit of work because you couldn't win even though you were town read in those games.

I'm of the opinion that you actually have a strong scum game.

[Fumuki]

Shoshin, what recent game were you mislynched in for posting less than here?

Only the name is fine.

[Fumuki]

Shoshin, you didn't post as Shoshin in that game I think.

Were you GeminiTwin?

[Fumuki]

You weren't inactive in that game.

Rather, you were the usual Shoshin.

I'm not saying inactivity is scummy for you, I'm just not finding your argument about your own meta genuine.

[Fumuki]

I can play along as if you were town.

I don't think you're town currently, I'm mulling over it.

What do you want to ask me?

[Fumuki]

Shoshin, if we lynch Egix and he flips town.

Who is next?

[Fumuki]

To be honest, I almost regret having spent my time reading so much mafia games this afternoon but since this is probably my last game so be it.

[Fumuki]

Maybe yes maybe not

who knows

I've some history of coming back eventually

[Fumuki]

I've done enough side work

reading ISOs now

let's see

[Fumuki]

Thanks Shoshin, regardless of your alignment.

This game is pretty overwhelming though, it's hard to feel confident in leading something when there's You/RC/NSG here.

I kind of wanted to just sheep one of you, but RC wasn't that townie, you certainly isn't that townie right now, and NSG wasn't that active.

A bit troublesome gamestate I guess.

[Fumuki]

There's lots of games where I play this way for a portion of the game, Buki. You might want to keep reading my games if you think anything I've done is scummy for me.

Shoshin, now that you townread me, can you back this up?

Don't need to link or anything, just what you remember.

[Fumuki]

Buki, what do you make of Celica's townread on me?

Did Celica even had a town read on you tbh?

Those walls were too tiring, I didn't really read everything

Didn't you call me scummy for skimming over long posts? If that's scummy for me (it's not), why isn't it scummy for you?

bad posting

that said, now that I think I know a bit more about Shoshin, I don't think her ISO in

Day 1

was as scummy as I first thought. That said it's not town either.

It's like...unusual Shoshin, having an unusual game, be it whatever alignment she is.

[Fumuki]

Shoshin, what made your change your mind on your read on me?

[Fumuki]

If Celica's scum, GIF's confirmed town. If Celica's town, GIF's likely town but plausible scum.

Explain this in more detail?

Isn't GiF trying to associate me with Celica so quickly something that a possible Celica's scumbuddy would do?

To already have a narrative in case of their partner flipping?

[Fumuki]

Also speaking of Shoshin

1) why did you effort enough in 864, a game that you weren't even in, to have a correct solve while having done fuck all in this game
2) why did you have me as locktown in that game, a game I objectively was less clearly in my town meta, but you can't read me correctly this game

spicy shit

[Fumuki]

Shoshin has indeed not really put much effort into 864, and her town read on RC there mostly came from VC since RC lynched scum in day 1. Case dismissed I guess.

Shoshin maybe is scum but not for those reasons I think.

[Fumuki]

She's a player who values her scum game too much to just lurk and let herself be lynched and who has done that an exceeding amount as town.

I always thought that if Celica was an alt, I already knew who she was.

I think this makes me even more confident on my guess.

That said, I'm not really strong on the slot and it's only an alt anyway, it can go either way.

[Fumuki]

@Creature why did you feel like you had became a terrible mafia player? I absolutely need to answer this.

[Fumuki]

Yeah I don't do much busywork as scum, as scum you only need to sound convincing when pushing lynches and you can sound more convincing by pushing paranoia reads than meta details in my experience.

I'm reading the game again and I feel like I'm for the first time, solving it?

It's a very rare thing for me to feel good about my late reads by the way.

[Fumuki]

Very very rare for me to like my reads in late game.

I'm always distracted in late game by something, especially playstyle clash, and it very often makes me depressed because I think my first reads are always average, but keep getting worse as the time goes on.

When I first joined the site, I couldn't understand why blacklisting was a thing. I'm starting to realize now that it's a necessity though. It's basically unplayable and unenjoyable otherwise.

[Fumuki]

I'd appreciate if you could assume I'm town for today. This will make solving together a lot easier.

I just finished reading your ISO and this is my opinion on you:

If you're scum, you've drastically changed your play here, either because you're not motivated or because you're putting less importance on being town read.

I can really see a demotivated scum!Shoshin here, and because of that I'm mulling over getting the cop to check you. However, in the end, I think you're most likely town than not.

All your questions can see often as pointless in this game imo, however, it doesn't feel as something that scum!Shoshin would often ask.

As scum I think you like to sound game solving and to impact game state quickly, and copy your own town meta. I don't think you've tried to do it in this game.

However, as I said, you don't have enough scum games and in Fire Mountain you even said that your scum game needed more work and that you would focus less in only being town read, but yeah, even considering that, I feel you play here isn't very agenda driven.

In other words, I'm fine with giving you a weak town read today, not because you've been towny, but because I don't see you playing the way you've been playing with a strategy in mind. Unless you're absurdly demotivated to play as scum, I find you more likely to be town.

That's my day 2 read on you.

[Fumuki]

My townblock right now is basically [NSG, Shoshin]. I've only read Shoshin ISO so far though.

Also I'm very scared of Shoshin making a fool out of me but yeah, I can live with being fooled by her. It really doesn't look like she approached this game with the mindset that scum!Shoshin usually has.

[Fumuki]

UNVOTE:

Calm down Shoshin, I plan to have a final reads in the whole playerlist until tonight.

I'll soon begin strong pushing someone I think.

But why do you need me to start sorting other players?

[Fumuki]

i don't think it's a clever play at all. i mean if he's actually doctor then ok totally 100% with you that's town. but if he's VT, i don't think it's at all alignment indicative one way or another.

You're scum? Again?? And I'm going to lose another town game because of you???

"if he's VT..." it's not AI?? How can one be a villager yet probably scum?? Your phrasing indicates you know he is town, but are unsure if he is a doctor or a bluffing VT.

I know this vote leads to my lynch today. I don't care. My point stands.

VOTE: RC

Why does Eyes need to do posts like this?

It gives me headaches...

[Fumuki]

It's just annoying that while I'm around you're talking about things I already know instead of working with me to solve the stuff I don't know.

What you don't know?

What you want to talk about?

Why aren't you trying to reach me instead of waiting me to reach you?

[Fumuki]

Oh, I don't know who scum is yet if not for silly reads I had because I wasn't enjoying this game until we had some peace in the thread.

I could repeat GiF/Worm/Egix/Titus and shit, but like, let me parse my reads for real for once, I'll get back to you about that afterwards.

Right now I'm reading Eyes's ISO. I can't talk yet because of site rules, but I find his play here more likely to come from town than scum?

I think scum!Eyes is more concerned with his image.

[Fumuki]

That said, some posts from Eyes are overreacting and overreactions deserve scum pings in my opinion so...a bit conflicted here.

[Fumuki]

please don't cop buki btw. we're just lynching him and you'll have to claim to defend him if he flips town. use the cop on someone relevant.

Noted.

yikes...?

@Eyes what did you mean with this post?

[Fumuki]

I forgot everything about this game.

Heh

[Fumuki]

Townblock of [Shoshin, NSG, Eyes]

I don't feel a scum mindset in Eyes approach to this game. Also he has a 50% odd of having been copped anyway.

[Fumuki]

Dr.Worm scum game is basically shitposting + casual reads.

That's a slot you always want to lynch D1 or cop if there's no meaningful contribution. We got too distracted by the shitshow maybe.

[Fumuki]

Dr.Worm town game as weird as it may be, have some meaningful contributions and thought process some times (need to check how often), while in his scum game he didn't have much of a thought process, and seemed more focused on producing the reads, and not on how they were produced.

What might point to Dr.Worm having a fine scum equity here. Need to read his ISO after finishing his games.

[Fumuki]

Dr.Worm also has nice reads some times.

[Fumuki]

I've finished my work on Dr.Worm I think and:

1. The fact that Dr.Worm paid so much attention to Wizard claim and Baezu, might indicate that they were rolefishing for a doctor (what would also explain the nightkill)

2. I don't see original, meaningful thought process on Dr.Worm as compared in one of his recent town games. It's just casual reads and giving casual reads is more likely to come from scum him than town him.

3. Note to self: I would originally need to check more games from him, but since it's so close to the deadline and him does look like a fine lynch, focus on other slots.

[Fumuki]

Town block: [NSG, Shoshin, Eyes]

lynch pool: [Dr.Worm]

In other words I can and will vote Dr.Worm if deadline comes too close and no other wagon that I like shows up. If Dr.Worm flips scum, I would look back to one of his posts saying "Hot-take, two scum are below Dr.Worm in the playerlist". It feels as a buss.

[Fumuki]

Also Dr.Worm, out of my reads, especially questioned my read on Titus slot in day 1.

I think that Dr.Worm would like quite a bit a buss, and eventually in day 2 he goes for that slot but later forgets about it and goes for Shoshin.

Another trait that I find worrying, since Dr.Worm here doesn't seem to have a complete image of the game, but rather focusing in one slot at time. The fact that he showed up but didn't say much about Shoshin or his wagon also worries me.

I suppose it would really be a fine lynch and I fully support it as of now, and I'm not sheeping NSG here, it's a read of my own.

[Fumuki]

Creature, if you're town, can you play this game properly?

If you step it up, we could still win this.

[Fumuki]

Emperor good posts in my opinion:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Pretentious

I feel like this is scum

Why?

I was hoping this would make people pressure him without me saying “let’s pressure him” cos I find that annoying

Why you lack gamesolving, FlippyNips?

Game solve what? RVS wagons?

as a colleague of mine once said

“eat a croissant!”

8 pages deep? Not really. I got a couple tr at best

& if there’s so much to go on, go ahead solve the game let me see how it’s done

Celica/Emperor/Pretentious isn't that much of a bad solve?

Emperor has been on Pretentious since early game

Celica "liked" votes on Emperor in day 1

Pretentious isn't townie at all and also "didn't like" Emperor

Kind of an unexpected team but not impossible. Unless someone here knows how to read GiF well or he has already town told here?

How good is GiF as scum anyway?

I didn’t like pretentious cos the doc claim smelled like caca

So far I’m liking GIF but don’t want to call him town yet. He’s got points tho

He was leaning scum in Pret so that is a fine, original read.

I suppose my town block in that case is [NSG, Shoshin, Eyes, Emperor].

If I'm correct on everyone, counting with me that makes it five. Quite a nice town block.

[Fumuki]

In that case we are in:

Town: [NSG, Fumuki, Eyes, Shoshin, Emperor]

Leftovers: [Creature, Titus, Egix, GiF, Brass]

scum: [Dr.Worm]

If Dr.Worm flips scum, I suppose that the optimal play would be to check on GiF or Titus?

Creature. Play properly if town. We're not in that much of a bad shape.

Reflecting on it, I dunno about RC/Brass being scum. I think Dr.Worm "hot-take" on 2 scum being below him might be genuine.

[Fumuki]

a check on GiF might do wonders.

It's the most threatening possible scum slot right now.

[Fumuki]

RC, Shoshin and I are never getting lynched. Who else should join that list?

You were consistently scum reading Shoshin, what made you change your mind?

[Fumuki]

Creature is a weak town read.

I want to leave RC/Brass alone for now.

Town core: [NSG, Fumuki, Eyes, Emperor, Shoshin]

Weaker town core: [Creature]

Nulltown: [Brassherald]

Leftovers: [Egix, GiF, Titus]

Scum: [Dr.Worm]

I'm satisfied with my reads right now. Paranoia kicking a bit about Shoshin, Brass and Creature slots but I'm holding it off just fine for now.

[Fumuki]

Cop check on GiF

Doctor on either me or NSG (if NSG replaces I would like for it to be on me)

We lynch Dr.Worm today?

Maybe everything is going to turn alright.

[Fumuki]

Ooh I can't tell if Egix is tooooooown
Therefore I follow my guts and stuff
and still call him tooooooown

Ok so worm is town... right?

Hm

[Fumuki]

From:

You might wanna rethink this
Wormy was scum in Mini Normal 2060, from a quick read of his ISO there I'd say he stayed in character pretty well
So no, I don't think that's a valid reason to TR him

To:

What's scummy about Wormy?

Kind of feels like he doesn't want to solidify a read on Worm slot.

[Fumuki]

To be honest I really have this secret drive on lynching Shoshin.

Her posts here doesn't make much sense, but I think they make even less sense considering what I've seen from scum!Shoshin.

[Fumuki]

If Shoshin is scum, one partner is probably Celica or Worm. But I don't think Shoshin is more likely to be scum than town here so...

All 3 scum might be in:

[Dr.Worm/Egix/Titus/GiF]

Dr.Worm is the best lynch today I think?

[Fumuki]

There's always the possibility of scum!Brass, so the large lynch pool would be

[Dr.Worm/Egix/Titus/Gif/Brass]

But I'm fine with taking out Brass slot out of there right now.

[Fumuki]

Dr.Worm/Egix/GiF is my best guess to be honest.

I'm only waiting to see if NSG will show up or get replaced to vote Dr.Worm

[Fumuki]

GiF is the best associative partner with Egix/Worm in my opinion.

Note he always is indecisive in their slots, say "something big might be up and I'm not seeing" when Egix and Worm jumps on Celica, and etc.

Also I'm not overthinking, I was overthinking before but not now. Reads doesn't really matter that much to me, I focus more on posts, and in my opinion your posts are...a bit soul-less, and that's not something positive.

However, considering how you usually play, maybe it's something positive. Anyway I'm not interested in you today anymore.

[Fumuki]

Also there is the Baezus nightkill.

I feel like Pretentious being in the scum team can really explain Baezus being found out, and I find it a better partner than Brass slot.

[Fumuki]

@Shoshin and Brass

switch votes back to Dr.Worm?

We can try Egix depending on Worm flip I think

[Fumuki]

The other option besides Dr.Worm is Shoshin, and if it comes to that, as much as I don't want to, I'll need to hammer Shoshin since I don't want a no-lynch.

NSG town reads Egix and is probably going to vote for Shoshin between Egix/Shoshin.

Dr.Worm is the lynch that can go through I would say.

[Fumuki]

I don't think NSG will vote me over Egix. But if she does, that's a very bad sign about her alignment.

I'm confident that NSG is town?

Not locktown but fairly confident?

[Fumuki]

We don't even know if NSG is going to show up

I think Dr.Worm is just easier and safer for today

[Fumuki]

VOTE: Dr.Worm

This is L-2.

Don't hammer until NSG posts/is replaced or until deadline gets closer.

[Fumuki]

UNVOTE:

[Fumuki]

Actually I'm not sure if it's L-2 or L-1.

Might as well not vote there until a new VC shows up.

[Fumuki]

With this much effort I'm basically a Innocent Child already but I guess I might be a bit biased

[Fumuki]

Drunk playing is the best anyway.

[Fumuki]

I find worrying that he hasn't really shown much thought process in his reads.

He has reads, but they are kind of given without much thought behind it, and the same also is shown in his pushes.

I've seen town!Dr.Worm do better, and I find his interest in the early doctor claims/Baezu rolefishy.

[Fumuki]

I need to catch up on this game...please gimme a bit

DO YOU BELEIVE WIZZERD"S CLAIM??

^ Baezu had early said that "one of the two claims is probably false", an obvious crumb.

Spoiler:

First of all, I don't give two shits about RC's reputation. I know enough about him from direct interaction, I don't need to rely on hearsay.

Since RC *is* good at orchestrating mislynches, I'll go ahead and claim. I am actually one of the doctors.

My role PM didn't say anything about this bullshit mechanic where I can't be healed

, which is why I suggested to Pretentious that we heal each other. I knew that he was creating wifom, but figured that if he was lying, he'd be CCed and then retract. Once he explained the mechanic and I realized how badly I'd screwed up, I tried to maximize wifom by implying that I was a VT fakeclaiming, but not discussing the matter in any detail. RC has repeatedly tried to get me to explain my actions and therefore let him and his scumbuddies know whether or not they should kill me; as much as I hate to give in it's necessary at this point.

As far as Shoshin goes, the arguments between him and RC seems contrived, so it's likely a scum v scum interaction. All things being equal, I'd be fine lynching Shoshin today and RC tomorrow. However, I'm almost certainly going to die tonight, and (if we lynch Shoshin today) RC will use her scumflip and his conflicts with her to try to talk himself out of getting lynched. It's likely that the town would get suckered in, and RC would then carry scum to endgame without any real opposition.

Given this, I want to see RC die before I do, which means today. Shoshin is barely trying so I trust the town to lynch him in my absence.

Also,

according to the mafia role card in the OP

, they only have night chat, and therefore haven't communicated yet. RC is intentionally townslipping by pretending not to know this.

^He is basically paying too much attention in Wizard claim compared to the rest of the game.

I need to catch up on this game...please gimme a bit

DO YOU BELEIVE WIZZERD"S CLAIM??

that answer is already in their ISO

BUKU PLAESE don"t ANSWER questions for OTHERS!!

DR WORM is not DUMB.. I know BEZUES ISO!!

^ It feels like he was asking Baezu about it to try to see if she would crumb/slip even more.

[Fumuki]

Wouldn't his scummates say so in daychat?

What...do you mean by that?

That his scumbuddies would say for him to stop it?

I think his partners are likely GiF/Egix, and GiF replaced in Pretentious slot that wasn't very active.

Also, Pretentious claimed doctor early and that might have been to try to get reactions from the real doctors.

[Fumuki]

GiF replaced Pretentious in the mid of Day 2.

Pretentious was trying to bait it, not GiF in my opinion.

[Fumuki]

PSA Eyes is still town

I guess?

Since aside from a Dr.Worm town flip I'm treating this game as mostly solved, I'm going to be fully reading Fire on The Mountain because that's some really spicy reading right there and it seems like it even got a nom to a scummie.

If anyone want to talk about it, I would be up to. Also we had both RC/Shoshin playing there so it's even relevant meta-wise.

[Fumuki]

To be honest I didn't want to try to direct the cop, but if we don't do it we:

1. Need to eventually out the cop
2. If he dies we have no solid results

then...mechanically speaking, it's in our best interest to direct cop, and as a side thought, probably direct doctor as well.

[Fumuki]

Directing doctor ensures that 1 or 2 towniest players doesn't die and forces scum to do some sub-optimal nightkill, opposed to let doctor do their own thing and have a small chance of they sucesfully stopping the nightkill (what would lead us to a no lynch day later anyway since the only change would be we reaching MyLo instead of LyLo).

Not worth letting cop and doctor do their own thing I think.

Ethically correct but not mechanically?

[Fumuki]

To be honest reading Fire on Mountain I'm more shy around taking RC slot out of the PoE.

He really do have this weird habit of changing his lynch right when it's about to be lynched.

[Fumuki]

Oh right, I know who Karmeleon main is probably.

[Fumuki]

VOTE: Dr.Worm

The wagon is basically:

Dr.Worm - Eyes, NSG, GiF, Fumuki

It takes 6 to lynch, in that case Dr.Worm is in L-2.

Let's get the ball rolling because I don't think NSG is going to show up.

[Fumuki]

and I wouldn't like for someone to replace NSG and unvote Worm.

[Fumuki]

I think that if Dr.Worm flips red, Titus gain some town credit with her posting today.

[Fumuki]

Doctor on either me or NSG

if it flips red, cop on RC/Brass.

if it flips town, cop on Shoshin?

[Fumuki]

By the way Shoshin isn't outside of possibility for a possible Dr.Worm partner.

[Fumuki]

But for now I just hope he flips scum.

[Fumuki]

If Dr.Worm flips town, doctor go for NSG by the way

[Fumuki]

I DON"T KNOW for REALSIES IF that was HAMMMER or NOT!!??

It really was hammer:

Dr.Worm [NSG, Eyes, Fumuki, GiF, Brass, Shoshin]

6 out of 11.

Were you scum?

[Fumuki]

so maybe it was Shoshin all along?

That's depressing.

[Fumuki]

Who you checked yesterday in that case?

[Fumuki]

You checked Shoshin?

[Fumuki]

That doesn't make much sense. You only voted Shoshin later, you had Celica as your first scum read today.

That's not what a cop with a guilty look like at all?

Maybe Dr.Worm is simply flipping red.

[Fumuki]

To be honest I only let it be hammered because even if you claimed cop with a guilty I wouldn't believe looking in your ISO.

If you flip cop though tomorrow we quicklynch Shoshin.

I would be a bit lost about what the scum team looks like in that case though.

[Fumuki]

I'm really town though

and if Shoshin is scum, I was pushing her in day 1 anyway and would have lynched the slot if not for RC/Wiz

I just don't get what is Shoshin doing here if she is scum though. Her play is so...weird and sub-optimal here.

[Fumuki]

Also no one else should carelessly engage Dr.Worm here in twilight I think

he could be simply fishing for the real cop, who knows.

[Fumuki]

Shoshin, if you're town you're doing GREAT.

I'm saying that if you're scum, I find your play here sub-optimal.

[Fumuki]

I'm not scum.

Then everything is fine.

I was just saying that if you were scum, I don't understand why you're not bringing up your strong scum game.