Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Shoshin]

VOTE: NSG

[Shoshin]

I don't care for WIFOM or discussing it.

Baezu feels townish, though. That's something to discuss!

[Shoshin]

This is very sad.

[Shoshin]

I'd feel tempted to self-vote in that case, RC.

[Shoshin]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Shoshin]

Why RC? I thought he came off pretty townie.

You're not concerned he wants to lynch you?

[Shoshin]

I feel very uncomfortable with how close I am to L-1.

[Shoshin]

I'm town, RC.

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I think at the very least you should give me a chance to lynch scum today.

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It's odd that you can't tell I'm town, RC. What's up with that?

[Shoshin]

Assume I'm town for a second. Who's the scum?

[Shoshin]

I don't know what to say. It feels bad to be at L-2 while having no clue who the scum are & I'd appreciate your help figuring out who I should be pushing?

[Shoshin]

I wouldn't have voted you as scum.

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But I guess that means nothing to you?

[Shoshin]

I have no thoughts on CoA so far. I think I have a decent sense for what she looks like as town/scum so it's not someone I'm worried about.

[Shoshin]

To say hello & let you know I'm keeping a close eye after experiencing your scum game.

[Shoshin]

I also was curious how others would react to the vote. I intended to unvote if anyone followed me on.

[Shoshin]

You think Creature's scum?

[Shoshin]

I guess only one way to find out.

VOTE: Creature

[Shoshin]

It’s odd because every game in which I’m town, I get called scummy.

That doesn't mean it's scummy to call you town when you're town.

[Shoshin]

More votes on Creature please!

[Shoshin]

Your reads need work, RC.

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I'd guess CoA's town.

[Shoshin]

Why's Emperor town, RC?

[Shoshin]

Hey RC, if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?

[Shoshin]

Hey RC, if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?

I need your help please.

[Shoshin]

CoA always feels so absent in my games. Is she scum, RC?

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How'd you choose which of my games you read, Buki?

[Shoshin]

402 is something.

[Shoshin]

CoA always feels so absent in my games. Is she scum, RC?

I thought she was town before she even posted so

Is this because you knew she was town?

[Shoshin]

An honest answer?

[Shoshin]

There's lots of games where I play this way for a portion of the game, Buki. You might want to keep reading my games if you think anything I've done is scummy for me.

[Shoshin]

Let's lynch Buki?

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I don't have much of an impression about Wizard. Why's he scummier than Buki?

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Buki

Let's go this path.

[Shoshin]

Buki, you've been told that your meta read on me is wrong. Is there any reason you're still pushing it even though RC's meta read is based on substantially more evidence than yours?

[Shoshin]

You don't care what I have to say?

[Shoshin]

Shoshin has never, ever, played like this in a town game. And if I'm wrong, link some games.

How many of my games have you read?

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Only one town game is necessary to counter the false meta. And they're easily found by looking through my games.

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A bit of an overreaction.

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It's not that I don't understand it, RC, it's just that I'd like to lynch scum Buki over scum Wizard.

How do you not understand that Buki is scum here?

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Have you read my scum games, Buki?

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I had an early townread on Baezu, don't forget that Buki.

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I feel the same way about you with respect to voting Buki.

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If Wizard flips town, then I'll lynch you, RC. Will you accept this if I vote Wizard?

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Wizard

[Shoshin]

if you're town here don't expect me to ever follow you again.

Me?

[Shoshin]

I'm here & reading up.

For the record, I'm not posting much because I'm in a lot of games & have limited time to spread between them. I'm also sort of lazy this game because I have the backup of RC & NSG, so I feel less urgency about sorting alignments.

Buki's wrong that this doesn't square with my town meta. I'm this inactive at certain points in most of my games, including games that RC & NSG are (or should be) familiar with.

[Shoshin]

How many votes do I have on me?

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NSG, why are you voting me? You know from experience that I'm not always active or engaged in games.

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How many votes to lynch? Am I at L-1?

[Shoshin]

Have the cop check me if you're this worried I'm scum.

I'm worth keeping alive & I'm town.

[Shoshin]

Wizard, you're a doctor?

[Shoshin]

Okay, NSG. Please unvote while I have a chance to address your concerns.

[Shoshin]

i'm voting you because you feel off this game. you feel like a caricature of yourself as town.

I understand why you're saying this. The truth is I was caricaturing myself a little bit earlier in the game (e.g. the self-vote comment) for the giggles.

like, the "more votes on creature!" is a classic shoshin line but in this case it didn't really feel warranted.

I use this line to build wagons at the start of games & that's what I was doing with Creature. What makes you feel it wasn't warranted?

i think all of these posts are weird:

Spoiler:

Hey RC, if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?

Hey RC, if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?

I need your help please.

CoA always feels so absent in my games. Is she scum, RC?

I don't like that you're calling these posts "weird," your analysis usually dives a bit deeper than that. You might disagree with this but I think calling stuff "weird and therefore scummy" is a minor scum tell.

I don't see the problem with the posts. In 272 & 282, I was feeling overwhelmed by my games & was hoping I could sheep RC's scumreads without having to give this game more time/effort, and I asked RC to assume I was town to increase the accuracy of his scumreads for my sake. What's "weird" about this?

What's the problem with 341?

i also don't follow your buki scumread or really believe that you yourself believe it. i get that this is kind of a 1v1 thing that i'm saying right now when it comes to who's right and who isn't, but i believe in your abilities as town to a great degree. seeing you scumread buki doesn't place any confidence in me that you're town.

It's not a 1v1, I don't do 1v1s unless it's a forced 1v1 at LYLO.

I'm scumreading Buki because he's making up crap about my meta to get me lynched without taking the time to check himself. It's something I've done as scum (I made up meta about Saudade in BoP mafia to get him mislynched) so I'm sensitive to it. Is this a bad reason to scumread someone?

[Shoshin]

Have the cop check me please.

RC's alignment will sort itself based on who he pushes to lynch.

[Shoshin]

i'm not confident on egix being town, it was literally the laziest possible read

You should understand better than anyone how I'm playing this game given your tendency to be lazy sometimes, no?

[Shoshin]

RC, are you scumreading me at this time?

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RC, have you kept up with my JM games?

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Can you explain the Buki read, NSG?

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I'm waiting for an answer to my questions, RC.

[Shoshin]

Are you scumreading me? Have you kept up with JM's games?

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I never said you're easy to read or to BoP your lynches, RC. Saying that it matters who you push doesn't mean you can't be wrong about their alignment as town.

[Shoshin]

I have no idea how to read your lack of engagement and my operating principle in this game is that I would probably townread you despite the inactivity if you were town. I am following all your games.

I would ordinarily not be voting you, not because I don't think that you have scum equity but because it's not worth going after you D1

If you follow all my games, as you seem to do, then you know 100% that periods of inactivity isn't scummy for me.

If you're not scumreading me, why'd you ask me to claim & threaten to vote me?

[Shoshin]

Buki, why are you townreading NSG?

[Shoshin]

I'm not screaming at anyone but you want to lynch me before LYLO?

[Shoshin]

I've been begging you to give me something all game and I haven't gotten it. The threat remains, if you show me that you're town it goes away.

I'm showing it now. It's on you to see that all this is town me.

[Shoshin]

Response to NSG:

Spoiler:

perhaps saying it wasn't "warranted" was a poor choice of words, although i still think there's an element of it there. i think my central point there was that it felt more like something you'd do as an imitation of your towngame than something that's actually natural. like, when you say "more votes" and vote someone, i expect it to actually be because you have something, no matter how minor, that you think is worth going off of. the random creature wagon to me seemed more just like an opportunity to pretend to be going for early wagons and gaining information than actually doing that.

did you learn anything from the creature wagon? was anything gained?

I don't imitate my town game as scum.

I was sheeping RC in voting Creature, so it wasn't entirely "random." I don't see why you'd read it as "an opportunity to pretend" instead of "null."

a better descriptor might be "unnatural" (and i've been calling things weird since my second game on site, where it was a subject of a lot of discussion)

why bother asking RC who's scum instead of just sheeping him on his vote? and if you had read enough to see the context of his vote on eyes and figured that it wasn't really a true vote on a scumread, it seems to me like that would be enough reading to do something other than just ask RC that.

as a whole i think my problem and what i'm attempting to get across here is that while i feel that normally when looking at your play there's either some internal thought process that i can see clear evidence of or there's classic shoshin town traits (direct questioning, hard defending townreads, etc.), i haven't seen that from your play this game so far.

341 i suppose i expect you to have your own thoughts on CoA and the question feels somewhat redundant. if RC were scumreading CoA i would expect him to make it clear – i guess i just don't think you asked a very good question. if you had your own doubts about CoA's alignment, i might expect you to raise some of those doubts. if you outright disagreed, i might expect a "why is CoA town, RC?"

I didn't want to sheep RC on his vote because he was scumreading me at the time & that meant his current reads were bad. So I wanted his take on the game under the assumption I was town, as those reads would be more likely to be accurate.

Yes, lots of my traits (direct questioning, defending townreads) aren't evident in this game yet because I've been absent & lazy. I'm around now so you'll see the questions & maybe defending if I get strong enough townreads.

When I made 341, I was townreading your few posts but also concerned because I know you lurk as scum, and I was curious about RC's read on you because he prides himself so much on being able to read you. You're probably right it's a bad question but sometimes I ask those as town so I dunno what to tell you on that front.

On another note, I gave an early townread on Baezu that you agreed with. Did you find that agreement towny? If not, why not?

i didn't mean 1v1 in the sense that i'm 1v1-ing you, i meant it in the sense that one of my reasons is explicitly sort of based on my being right elsewhere on something that you disagree on.

i think basically nobody makes up meta as scum.

You're wrong that people don't make up meta as scum & I say this because I've done it before.

Maybe you're right about Buki, I don't know. But I do know this much, he's disagreeing with me about meta stuff that both you & RC should know Buki's wrong about.

[Shoshin]

NSG, if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?

[Shoshin]

Buki, if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?

[Shoshin]

Why Baezu?

[Shoshin]

I wish you would veto lynching me.

[Shoshin]

Do you agree with Buki that Baezu's likely scum if I'm town?

[Shoshin]

That's helpful to know.

[Shoshin]

RC, do you prefer to lynch me over Baezu?

[Shoshin]

Sounds like you're scumreading too many players, RC.

[Shoshin]

Why is Baezu town?

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Are you still scumreading me, Buki?

[Shoshin]

I'm confused by both Buki & Wizard.

I haven't been doing "nothing." I've done "a tiny bit." And I'm obviously here trying to save myself.

[Shoshin]

There are players who have townread me.

[Shoshin]

I'd done more than nothing before you started pushing me, Buki.

[Shoshin]

Egix, why are you voting me & do you still think I'm scum?

[Shoshin]

Rushing a lynch just as I'm starting to play the game is extremely pro-scum in my eyes. Please stop doing this.

[Shoshin]

RC & Wizard, I'd appreciate if both of you stop cluttering this thread with a pointless back-and-forth.

[Shoshin]

Buki, what do you make of Celica's townread on me?

[Shoshin]

And what's your read on Emperor & Worm?

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RC, what do you make of the fact that you're disagreeing with NSG about a lot of reads this game?

[Shoshin]

I guess I'm reading closer than you, Buki. You should take that as a town tell for me, no?

[Shoshin]

Buki, what do you make of Celica's townread on me?

Did Celica even had a town read on you tbh?

Those walls were too tiring, I didn't really read everything

Didn't you call me scummy for skimming over long posts? If that's scummy for me (it's not), why isn't it scummy for you?

[Shoshin]

And what's your read on Emperor & Worm?

Emperor is nulltown

Worm is...somewhere between nulltown and just null.

What makes these slots townier than null?

[Shoshin]

Buki, what was your read of Celica before I asked you about her?

[Shoshin]

I don't know what that means, RC.

[Shoshin]

How sure are you that NSG's town?

[Shoshin]

Emperor isn't stiff in his interactions, and comparing his posts from the scum games I saw of him, and his posts here, it's like, very slightly townie?

Worm it's because his posts/reads don't feel like have an agenda. Him not getting on your wagon was pretty spooky though.

Can you give me an example of a non-stiff interaction in this game? Also, please link the specific scum games from Emperor that you're comparing to his games here.

Have you read Worm's games?

[Shoshin]

Buki, what was your read of Celica before I asked you about her?

nulltown I think

I did like her Wiz read

I don't get these sense that you tried to sort her alignment at all. Why not?

[Shoshin]

Wizard, why are you scumreading me?

[Shoshin]

That feeling of not putting in the effort to link meta is how I felt when you asked, Buki. Why'd you scumread me for that?

[Shoshin]

Wizard, why are you scumreading me?

For one thing, you aren't meaningfully trying to avert your own lynch. And I can't see any reason for a townie not to in your position.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Shoshin]

Does anyone other than Wizard think I'm not trying to avert my own lynch?

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If you think I'm getting lynched today, you're very mistaken, Buki.

[Shoshin]

I am trying to live. The question is why Wizard thinks I'm not.

[Shoshin]

I'm working out who to lynch, Wizard. What do you think the point of all my questions is?

[Shoshin]

You're scum until you stop scumreading me.

[Shoshin]

In case it wasn't clear, I'd lynch Baezu over myself.

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Wizard, why are you still scumreading me even though I've asked for a cop check?

[Shoshin]

I don't have a solid read on either of RC or NSG. The disconnect between them concerns me.

[Shoshin]

Wizard, why are you still scumreading me even though I've asked for a cop check?

back to bad posting

None of the stuff you've called bad posting is bad posting. Why are you discouraging these questions?

[Shoshin]

I don't have a solid read on either of RC or NSG. The disconnect between them concerns me.

bad posting

then I'm scum because I'm scum reading you but they are fine?

NSG's scumreading me for understandable reasons.

RC's blank on me for understandable reasons.

You're scum on me for reasons that were awful to begin with & now are outdated (I'm clearly not doing nothing anymore).

[Shoshin]

Wizard, what do you make of the fact that I didn't push your lynch earlier with RC & insisted on voting Buki instead? That was a hard stance & from your perspective it should suggest that I'm town.

[Shoshin]

I didn't have negative points at any point in this game, Buki. I had nothing. There's a difference. Please get that staight.

[Shoshin]

Pretentious, what're your reads?

[Shoshin]

You still think I'm scum, Buki?

[Shoshin]

I suggest you take a break from the game for at least 24 hours & come back with a fresh look at me.

[Shoshin]

Buki, please take 24 hours away from the game.

[Shoshin]

RC, what's your read on Buki & Emperor?

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Why nulltown on those slots, RC?

[Shoshin]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Shoshin]

You think RC's town?

[Shoshin]

I didn't say I'd vote RC if Wizard flipped town.

I'm voting him for a different reason.

[Shoshin]

Assume I'm town for a moment. Who are the scum?

[Shoshin]

Why aren't you telling us your reads, RC?

[Shoshin]

NSG isn't talking so there's no need to shout. You can voice your reads calmly & softly.

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Do you think RC is town, Eyes?

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I'm waiting for your reads, RC.

[Shoshin]

Which RC games did you read during the night, Eyes?

[Shoshin]

I'm underwhelming in all my town games. Or so I'm always told during the games.

[Shoshin]

This game feels hopeless.

[Shoshin]

Maybe. Have you figured out your reads yet?

[Shoshin]

Expecting you to share your reads is unfair?

[Shoshin]

You said you had reads, RC. Why'd you say this if it isn't true?

[Shoshin]

I want to know who they are. How is that difficult?

[Shoshin]

Yes, that's what I want.

[Shoshin]

I'll talk about my reads after RC gives his.

[Shoshin]

I don't want my reads influencing RC's. It's that simple.

[Shoshin]

I'm not townreading Eyes. Can anyone explain that to me?

[Shoshin]

Doesn't that assume RC's town, GIF?

[Shoshin]

I'm still waiting for your reads, RC.

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How do you feel about lynching Worm, RC?

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Why aren't you townreading Fumuki, RC?

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GIF, what's your read on Fumuki?

[Shoshin]

I don't think it's fair to put me in the same category as you & RC when it comes to posting.

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Why is Egix town, RC?

[Shoshin]

Can you link 2070?

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Egix

[Shoshin]

I think both Fumuki & Celica are town.

RC's either scum or having a very bad game.

[Shoshin]

I guess Celica could be scum. If I'm wrong on any of my townreads, it's Celica.

[Shoshin]

I guess Celica could be scum. If I'm wrong on any of my townreads, it's Celica.

What changed this

You're right that 1356 is bad. My townread on her comes from the slight revisions to her reads as she moves through the game in her early string of posts. Those types of small changes aren't something that scum just do.

[Shoshin]

I'm not scum, & if I were I wouldn't be pushing you, RC. You should know this because you've played against scum me.

[Shoshin]

I'm voting Egix?

[Shoshin]

I guess you want another game like Fire, huh?

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RC, why'd you say I was wrong about you in Fire when I didn't townread you, I said you should be lynched before LYLO, and I eventually voted you before replacing out? Why are you lying about this?

[Shoshin]

Can we just apply BoP to me? If Egix flips town, I'll accept my own lynching.

[Shoshin]

you voted then apologized for it. you said that I was scum in dead thread but that was after I tried to lynch your slot after your replacement.
If I wasn't assuming that you misreading me was at least hypothetically possible I would have killed you already.

I don't recall apologizing for voting you? If you're talking about D1, maybe, mostly because you were defending me & I needed some support. But I didn't apologize for voting you on D2. And I never townread you that game & I expressly said you should be lynched before LYLO. How is that me being wrong in that game? I feel like you're lying about me in the same way you lied about me in Fire, using it to push your narrative of the game instead of trying to figure out reality.

[Shoshin]

Okay. You immediately unvoted me and never referenced scumreading me again then tried to get me on a Jingle wagon. You apologized for saying I should be lynched before endgame.

Do you want me to burden of proficiency your read on me as if you were correct in that game?

You're not responding to my concern.

You said I was wrong about you.

I wasn't wrong because I never townread you.

I was null on you, which we've already talked about outside of this game. And as you know, when you're town I'm usually locktown on you on D1. Pretty much every game you've ever been town in wiht me, I strongly state to never lynch you ever. Fire was a large departure from how I normally read you.

So again, why say I was wrong on you when the way I read you in Fire was a massive departure from how I normally read you & wasn't anything close to wrong? This feels like a lie to me. And in Fire, you lied about me as well. Should I not be concerned about this?

[Shoshin]

I don't think "scum motivation" matters when it comes to reading you. But there's an obvious one here: the lie is part of the narrative you want to push in this game, specifically the EXPLANATION (i.e. paper trail) as to why you behaved the way you did. Are you going to tell me this isn't something you do as scum?

[Shoshin]

And I recognize that she didn't read me correctly in FOTM, and she's probably recalibrating because of that which is the only reason I gave her this much space, but if she were town she should be a lot more scared that going after me would entirely derail the game. I don't think this is how she approaches me.

This is RC lying about me.

Why would scum RC lie about me in this way?

Because it explains why he behaved the way he did.

Why would town RC lie about me in this way? Actual error.

What's more likely? I don't know. I'd like to get more flips before pushing RC. I also hold out hope that cop will check him.

[Shoshin]

RC, why didn't you want the cop to check me yesterday?

[Shoshin]

Hmm I can kinda see Celica town.

You see what I was saying about the early posts, no?

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I thought you were pushing me as scum yesterday, RC?

[Shoshin]

I don't think preflip associations are a bad thing.

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Your guess is likely all town, RC. This is why I'm very concerned about you at this time.

[Shoshin]

Egix/RC/Worm is my guess.

A more simple & elegant solve.

[Shoshin]

I'm probably wrong. I feel like I'm wrong but I'm not sure where yet.

[Shoshin]

Worm's mostly associations to Egix/RC & of course poe. I'm not confident on this.

[Shoshin]

This is roughly where I'm at on reads:

Town

Fumuki
Celica
GIF
NSG
Eyes
Emperor
Creature
Worm
RC
Egix

Scum

[Shoshin]

I guess RC could be town. In that case, I'd have to change this around quite a bit.

[Shoshin]

Can you talk to me about why Creature's town & Celica isn't?

[Shoshin]

If Egix is town, Emperor's likely scum.

[Shoshin]

oh boy, i get to be shoshin to shoshin.

Why aren't you townreading Emperor, Shoshin?

This made me laugh. In part because I've been townreading Emperor.

[Shoshin]

GIF, what's your read on Egix?

[Shoshin]

I don't know if you're dodging my question or saying Egix is town, so I'd appreciate a clearer answer.

[Shoshin]

And if town, please explain.

[Shoshin]

I like dr Worm this game. Would be my second game with him the first I had he was scum & lynched D1. So either he’s figured out how to be scum or his strategy just works this game more than it did the last. I’m still leaning town there

What's the difference between his play there & here?

[Shoshin]

How would your reads change if you assume I'm town?

[Shoshin]

You said Celica/Fumuki is a team. Can you explain that more?

[Shoshin]

To be honest it was very easy if you knew beforehand that she was town.

I thought she was scum being advised in the scum PT to crumb doctor but was doing it very wrong.

Why aren't you townreading this, GIF?

[Shoshin]

NSG, how would your reads change if you knew with 100% certainty that I was town?

[Shoshin]

Are you intentionally not reading my posts

Please refer me to where you answer my question because I don't see it.

[Shoshin]

GIF, I don't understand why Celica/Fumuki are always a team from your perspective. I understand that you gave some reasoning but it's unclear to me what you're saying so I'm asking for "more." This hasn't been answered.

I also don't understand why you're saying you answered my question about Fumuki's alignment when the person who answered the question was Egix, not you. Am I supposed to assume you agree with everything that Egix says about the game?

[Shoshin]

RC, what's GIF look like as scum?

[Shoshin]

I needed not answer more since it is only logical that I agreed with him when Fumuki stayed in my leftover list, no?

I disagree that this was clear. You've already hinted multiple times at town Fumuki while keeping him in your pool of potential scum, & there's other logical conclusions that someone could draw from your behaviors about your response to Fumuki's post.

I'm trying to sort out whether you independently townread Fumuki but view the association with Celica as more important, or whether you're independently null on Fumuki.

You're obviously trying to make your positions less clear than they could be (because forcing people to assume stuff about your logic when a simple "yes/no" answer could clear up confusion isn't doing your best to be clear). Why is this?

[Shoshin]

If I had more reason I would've posted more.

You said that Celica gave a "decent" reason for scumreading Fumuki's slot, & then highlighted the fact that Celica asked Fumuki for clarification about replacement. I don't understand how this increases the probability that Celica/Fumuki are partners. Please elaborate on the unspoken assumptions you're making here.

[Shoshin]

That's a helpful response, finally.

[Shoshin]

NSG, can you point me to some posts from Egix that make you think town?

[Shoshin]

RC, I'd ask you questions about the game but I'm only interested in hearing your perspective under the assumption that I'm town.

[Shoshin]

I'll say this much.

If RC's town, it's likely that Celica's scum.

[Shoshin]

If Celica's scum, GIF's confirmed town. If Celica's town, GIF's likely town but plausible scum.

[Shoshin]

I take that back.

If Celica's scum, it's plausible that GIF's scum.

So GIF's likely town but plausible scum.

[Shoshin]

GIF has some sort of thought process & I'm inclined to think he wouldn't as scum.

[Shoshin]

What's changed?

[Shoshin]

I am moderately confident scum are in Creature, RC, Nippy & Worm. Egix is an outsider contender. Everyone else is town to me.

Why is Creature, RC, & Nippy more scummy than Egix?

[Shoshin]

Also speaking of Shoshin

1) why did you effort enough in 864, a game that you weren't even in, to have a correct solve while having done fuck all in this game
2) why did you have me as locktown in that game, a game I objectively was less clearly in my town meta, but you can't read me correctly this game

These are fair questions.

1) I've put much more effort into this game than 864. I read maybe 3/10 of 864, whereas I've probably read 9/10 of this game.

2) I think you misunderstand what causes me to townread you. If you're more clearly in your town meta here, can you point me to the specific things making you so clearly town?

[Shoshin]

I'm going to vote Celica if she doesn't involve herself in the game.

[Shoshin]

I don't know who her main is.

[Shoshin]

Why?

[Shoshin]

Creature went from your top townread to scum because he hasn't posted in the game?

[Shoshin]

Why lynch Creature over Worm?

[Shoshin]

Or over Celica?

[Shoshin]

Why are Worm/Celica town?

[Shoshin]

I want to know why Worm/Celica are town. If you don't want to answer, then don't complain about nobody playing the game. You're behaving in ways that don't make conversation possible, & regardless your alignment it's anti-town.