Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Egix96]

VOTE: Shoshin

Random-but-not really random vote. Can't really read much into what's happened so far.

[Egix96]

VOTE: Shoshin

Random-but-not really random vote.

What is the not so random part then?

I'm not too thrilled with her posts so far.

[Egix96]

Why can't I just roll scum?

I thought you didn't like playing scum?

[Egix96]

northsidegal I think?

[Egix96]

Why can't I just roll scum?

Townie ^^

Nah, not really.

[Egix96]

I don’t think the claims are real, at least I don’t think his claim is real

Why do you believe pret over wiz?

Because I claimed everything, not one role.

What's the name of that rule that says "don't answer other people's questions for them"? _____'s Rule or something?

[Egix96]

I don’t think the claims are real, at least I don’t think his claim is real

Why do you believe pret over wiz?

Because I claimed everything, not one role.

What's the name of that rule that says "don't answer other people's questions for them"? _____'s Rule or something?

I was trying to throw shade because Flips is voting me.

In all seriousness though, I do think there is a name for that concept. I think I came across it in the general thread for one of the mafia championship seasons (on MU) but heck if I remember which one.

[Egix96]

Its so you know I’m on to you

Fine I’ll come back for pret



VOTE: Creature

These kinda rub me the wrong way, I can't really say I get good feels from the attitude displayed here. I wanna see where this goes.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flippynips

[Egix96]

Miss Kobayashi Maru has requested replacement.

And

requesting

replacement (as opposed to flaking) this early is scummy af. It feels as if someone didn't like their partners. I mean it's an open setup so it can't be they didn't like

their role

, so what other reason(s) are there for someone to request to replace out this early?

If I be honest here I really hate that this post exists, BUT I will say that Eyes "shopping around" with their vote (for want of a better term) feels towny to me.

[Egix96]

You will never lynch me this game.

Yey NSG is town

I dunno, that kind of statement would normally read scummy to me. Is NorthSideofAthena known for being hard to lynch as town?

[Egix96]

Brazil probtown

Oh you mean Baezu. Yeah I agree.

[Egix96]

so you're going to be my backup carry for this game

Don't you say my reads are shit though?

no comment.

Feels like a pocketing attempt gone wrong

[Egix96]

even if he's an alt, I don't think he's that experienced to make that clever play.

Tbf you only need to read the previous HPO game to see where he could have got the idea from.
I don't think it's a particularly difficult derp to fake anyway.

[Egix96]

@Wizard do you have any actual reason for scumreading Eyes apart from Omgus?

[Egix96]

i read up to page 6 in 740 and i'm not seeing anything similar to what thewizard did here. am I missing something?

Sleepless Assassin (a VT) bated the N1 kill by fakeclaiming doctor

[Egix96]

*baited

I'm a w***er apparently!

[Egix96]

Sorry that was a bit un-PG of me. Hope I didn't offend anyone

pedit fair enough then i guess

[Egix96]

ok

VOTE: ewaf

please don't join another game with me regardless of your alignment.

i understand that you're salty about losing to me. or whatever. even though firebringer was town. i can't control that.

i don't even think you're scum.

but I can't play around you declaring a 1 on 1 with me here when I've done more than anything else based off of a slip that isn't even a slip b/c someone told you that i was good at scum.

What changed?

[Egix96]

hi creature this is the part where you say that i'm trying to make people feel bad about scumreading me and that I'm scum for it

I'm not Creature, but...
You're trying to make people feel bad for scumreading you, and that means you're scum.
Happy?

[Egix96]

There's the VI.

Or Cowbells's scumbuddy maybe.

[Egix96]

I mean you literally saw everything that I'm being scumread here for from me in that MU game so

I'll just assume that you're scum as well.

Why am I not surprised.

But to be honest I haven't looked at that game since it ended and heck if I remember what you were like there.

[Egix96]

There's the VI.

Or Cowbells's scumbuddy maybe.

Are you of the opinion that scum team probably band together to defend each other or something?

Yes.

[Egix96]

@Egix

what is your opinion on Wizard, and don't mention RC in your read on Wizard.

Based on a quick read of his ISO... hmm, tbh I really don't know, he could go either way.

[Egix96]

@Egix

what is your opinion on Wizard, and don't mention RC in your read on Wizard.

Based on a quick read of his ISO... hmm, tbh I really don't know, he could go either way.

What do you think of his smug overconfidence in his reads?

does it feel fake?

Ehhh I guess his tunnelling feels kinda genuine? Obviously I know he's wrong about me but the way he's tunnelling on Cowbells kinda feels like how I was in my early town games (Newbies 1893 and 1898). That's not something I could really bring up in my previous response because you said I couldn't make references to Cowbells.

[Egix96]

SORRRY NOT THOSE THOTS LIKE HO-HOS.. MEANT TO WRITE THUOGHTS!!

Ohh thank goodness I'm not the only one here who's accidentally spouting dirty words.

->

[Egix96]

@Egix The only wagons going through today are Wiz and Shoshin, we don't even have much time

if you think Wiz might be town, hop in Shoshin.

I'm stll in the process of reading up but okay.

VOTE: Shoshin

[Egix96]

A bit of an overreaction.

Read the first Red Flag game.

I was town.

I caps locked whole pages of that game.

I've gotten better though yeah

Haven't got time to read it rn but who were you in it?

[Egix96]

Fumuki

ok

[Egix96]

idk i guess ill look at forest fire again, feels more engaged here though

yeah i guess creature also maybe, i was just going from the people i'm seeing (on page 15 right now). his early posts were weird though, i actually thought he was deliberately making random scummy posts.

buki also probably town

Bad choice of scum meta for me imo, use JR instead

[Egix96]

Halfway through reading up...

From checking recent posts I can see that Wiz has been hammered apparently?

That's a shame then, I wanted to say I agree with the old plan.

[Egix96]

Sorry, missed this earlier:

Egix, why are you voting me & do you still think I'm scum?

I voted you because I was (still am) leaning scum on you and I wasn't interested in the alternative (voting Wizard)

[Egix96]

You're scum until you stop scumreading me.

Yikes

[Egix96]

Thinking about it insn't Egix question about what was my name in the first Red Flag really scummy?

Like

it's not like he should read it

it's not like I told him to read it

it was just really random, and his question kind of seemed to try to imply "I'm scum hunting/engaged".

Remember this when casing him I guess.

This looks like you're trying to throw shade at me for asking a perfectly harmless question.

I really doubt that you genuinely think this.

[Egix96]

Yeh, Shoshin's posts still tell very very very very very very very very very very very very very very little.

From what I’ve read, Shoshin normally comes off pretty townie. There’s nothing here that is necessarily scummy, but is that scum indicative do you think? I’m actually lean-null town on Shoshin, but I feel if Shoshin is scum that’s where I’d be.

The heavy pressure puts me off, though.

I think RC is town by gamestate, as Creature said. I’ve thought RC was townie since pretty early.

Creature seems like he’s actually analyzing.

Flips is lean scum for me from his weird push on me.

Wizard is super townie. Don’t go there, please.

I actually think Worm is town? I think. Seems like it would be hard to keep up that persona as scum as well as he is.

Buki i’m Gut scum reading. Maybe it’s just playstyle.

You might wanna rethink this
Wormy was scum in Mini Normal 2060, from a quick read of his ISO there I'd say he stayed in character pretty well
So no, I don't think that's a valid reason to TR him

[Egix96]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Now that`s what I call having guts.

Almost lynched yesterday but voting who saved her

Oh right, Shoshin did say she would vote RC if Wiz flipped town I guess.

Yeah... I don't get how Shosh can still think Cowbells is scum after that.

Oh, right. 2 Doctor claims. RC upset with the way I phrased my read on him. OK... I think I am starting to remember.

VOTE: Dr Worm

I believe this is where I want to lynch today. Can anybody tell me why not?

What's scummy about Wormy?

[Egix96]

Ahh, so much to read, so little time... Just wanna respond to these quickly:

i thought that egix was scum in this game when i thought he was scum in 2070, i think that he's town now + i think his read change on me knowing my alignment in that game probably comes from town as well.

Mmm you're not wrong in saying that my read on you has changed since D1, but what I was saying was that I don't think Shoshin should still be scumreading you if Fumuki is right in saying that you were a driving force in moving the lynch from her to Wizard. (From her perspective, what reason does scum!you have for moving from one townie to another?) To me it kinda seems like a perspective slip for Shosh.

I thought she was scum being advised in the scum PT to crumb doctor but was doing it very wrong.

That's not possible, scum PT doesn't open until N1 in this setup.

[Egix96]

That's not possible, scum PT doesn't open until N1 in this setup.

Does this mean Fumuki is town?

I'd say it's a pretty easy derp to fake, so it's NAI

[Egix96]

VOTE: Celica

Lynch all lurkers.

[Egix96]

Why foes Celica have more scum equity than Dr Worm? @Egix?

I don't get what scum equity Wormy has... as far as I can tell, people are only trying to lynch him because they find him annoying. Is there even an actual case against him?

As for Celica... actually upon a reread, her early posts weren't as low-impact as I remembered them being, but there are still a few bits I don't really like (e.g. "Perhaps it's best I read into other stuff that's not this, but I'd like to bring it to attention for other people to talk about so I can hop off this fence.") as well as a lot of rhetorical questions that IMO don't really serve much purpose apart from padding out the word count (e.g. "Maybe others get things from it that I don't?"; "Is it bad I like this post?"). Like they seem forced.

Also, 1356 is... yeah it does feel pretty grubby.

[Egix96]

I don't get what scum equity Wormy has...

as far as I can tell, people are only trying to lynch him because they find him annoying.

Is there even an actual case against him?

who's doing that?

I thought it was everyone who was voting him. But apparently it's not because he's annoying, it's because he's ineffectual.

Because Egix is always scummy no matter what he rolls.

Don't make me break out my old "Sad Itchy" avatar.

In all seriousness though, maybe I have played with you before. Either that, or you've actually gone and meta-dived me.

[Egix96]

@Egix: That's why I asked. Now go through Worm's ISO -if you will- and tell me what he posted that actually serves/served any purpose at all. Thank you.

==

Plus the way he got pissed off is scum indicative (he's fed up with people focusing on him and getting him lynched as scum, extra attention wouldn't be negative for him as a townie).

WIZZERD should READ MORE RADARCOWBALLS games!! COWBALLS gets AGNRY as TOWN EVREY DAY for being SCRUMREAD!!

CELIAC DID THIS:: SHOW UP.. BIG POSTS.. NO REALTIME TALKS!!

Why TROWN READ??

What do you feel like it's anti-town about shoshin?

SHOSHY POSTS like it"s required but NO SOUL!!

MSG why is it ODD I hasn"t been wagoned when NOBIDY has said DR WORM is BAD in their brains??

NOBIDY!!

Are these any good?

[Egix96]

Page 76 made me cringe.

Whatever, if we're thunderdoming this then the choice is obvious for me.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Shoshin

[Egix96]

Why are you voting me, Egix?

I've been scumreading you all game. Why shouldn't I be?

[Egix96]

Why have you been scumreading me?

No offence intended, but have you been reading my posts? I thought I'd been explaining myself quite well but if not, I apologise.

All right then, if I'm wrong on you and you're actually town, then now's your chance to show it.

- Can you remember why you said "I'd feel tempted to self-vote in that case, RC." in post#36? Because I don't think that's a very towny attitude to have.

- You seem to ask the question "if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?" or some variation of it, often. What do you intend to achieve by asking it?

- P#798 - "I'm also sort of lazy this game because I have the backup of RC & NSG, so I feel less urgency about sorting alignments." Why those two players specifically?

- P#978 - "You're scum until you stop scumreading me." Can you remember why you said that?

- P#986 - "I don't have a solid read on either of RC or NSG." Then why were you using them as backup?

This is from looking through the first ~half of your ISO. That should be enough for the time being.

What are your reads, Egix?

{NSG, Freezer}
{Cowbells, Fumuki}
{Eyes, Wormy}

Flippy - If I be honest I don't really have a read on him atm

{Creature}
{Titus slot, Shosh}

[Egix96]

Spoiler:

I'm going to start by addressing Egix.

Why have you been scumreading me?

No offence intended, but have you been reading my posts? I thought I'd been explaining myself quite well but if not, I apologise.

All right then, if I'm wrong on you and you're actually town, then now's your chance to show it.

- Can you remember why you said "I'd feel tempted to self-vote in that case, RC." in post#36? Because I don't think that's a very towny attitude to have.

- You seem to ask the question "if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?" or some variation of it, often. What do you intend to achieve by asking it?

- P#798 - "I'm also sort of lazy this game because I have the backup of RC & NSG, so I feel less urgency about sorting alignments." Why those two players specifically?

- P#978 - "You're scum until you stop scumreading me." Can you remember why you said that?

- P#986 - "I don't have a solid read on either of RC or NSG." Then why were you using them as backup?

This is from looking through the first ~half of your ISO. That should be enough for the time being.

What are your reads, Egix?

{NSG, Freezer}
{Cowbells, Fumuki}
{Eyes, Wormy}

Flippy - If I be honest I don't really have a read on him atm

{Creature}
{Titus slot, Shosh}

1. None of the things you're concerned about are scummy so I'm confused about why you're scumreading me? The stuff you point to is mostly stuff you don't understand, which begs the question, why didn't you ask about these things earlier? Remember, stuff you don't understand isn't scummy, it's just stuff you don't understand.

2. 36 was a joke directed at RC based on a recent experience in Fire On The Mountain & conversations about self-voting that were taking place in the discussion forum at the time I made the post. For context, in Fire On The Mountain, I self-voted as town at the start of D1 when a bunch of players started voting me. RC was in this game. NSG modded it.

3. I asked RC & NSG to assume I'm town so that they'd have more accurate reads. I have a lot of respect for both of these players, and helping them view the game in a way that increases the accuracy of their reads is pro-town from my perspective. I also find it more helpful to read players when they assume I'm town, because then I'm able to see if their perspective on the game makes sense by comparing it with my perspective where I know I'm town. If they read me as scum, it plausibly throws everything off so it's much harder for me to evaluate whether these players are town/scum. I can point you to multiple examples of me asking this same type of question in town games, so I'm not sure why this would even be a concern for you. What's scummy about asking people to assume I'm town for the sake of discussion?

4. I said RC's scum until he stops scumreading me because I expect better from RC. I've said this exact same thing to RC before in other games where I was town, so this isn't scummy for me.

5. When I say I have the backup of RC/NSG in this game, that doesn't automatically mean they're townreads. It means I feel safe to work less hard than usual up until the point where I think RC/NSG aren't town. I think you'd understand what I'm saying more if you look at my posts as reaction tests & if you realize that my reads aren't stuck in stone, they're evolving based on how players respond to everything I say or do.

6. Why is Creature & Celica scum?

1. I simply hadn't had the idea of questioning you on those things before and I didn't realise I might have been misunderstanding you. I've only now been questioning you because you asking "why have you been scumreading me Egix?" was the thing that made me stop and think, "yeah, why

am

I so tunnelled on Shosh? Is it really justified and not mindless?" So yeah.

2. This is fair, I haven't read that game so I wasn't aware of the context.

3. I thought it was scummy because it seemed to me like too crude a way of defending yourself. It felt similar to when scums sometimes say "if I am scum, who are my buddies?" i.e. it seemed like a scummy defense question that served little purpose.

4. No no, in the case of 978 specifically you were responding to Buki, not Cowbells.

5. Hmm okay this seems fair.

6. I'm leaning scum on Creature because he seems a lot less engaged than he was in my prior game with him (Open 743). I'm not really getting the same feels from him here that I felt there.

As for Celica, my reasoning given in 1825 still applies.

[Egix96]

Egix jumped off of voting Celica to vote me when he claims that Celica is a top scumread for him. Why'd he do this? This doesn't make any sense from a town perspective.

You have to consider that we weren't yet confirmed to be getting an extension and there wasn't much time left at that time. It seemed to me like the Celica wagon was losing steam and yours was gaining, so I didn't want to risk a no-lynch by leaving my vote where it was.

[Egix96]

Shosh/Titus prob not s/s any more based on recent interactions.

[Egix96]

You have to consider that we weren't yet confirmed to be getting an extension and there wasn't much time left at that time. It seemed to me like the Celica wagon was losing steam and yours was gaining, so I didn't want to risk a no-lynch by leaving my vote where it was.

This doesn't make any sense.

Celica was at three votes, I was at two, and Worm was at four. If you're trying to avoid a no lynch, why didn't you vote for Worm? And how would voting me increase the likelihood of a lynch over keeping your vote on Celica?

Why would I vote Wormy if I was townleaning him?

The reason why I thought Celica wasn't likely to be lynched any more was because Cowbells was all like "we're lynching me or Shosh today!" and since there's a chance he's the cop's N1 peek I thought I might as well go along with that.

[Egix96]

Egix, why townread Worm?

If I be honest here, I really just get an overall towny feel from his posts. He doesn't seem like he's playing to any sort of scum agenda and, as I showed before, there were a handful of posts of his that showed he wasn't being completely ineffectual.

[Egix96]

I'd like to know your reads as well, Titus.

When I know, you'll know. I've spent most of the thread interacting with you...Since I don't have VCA data, my reads are rough at best.

Reading people's post and actions is usually adequate. VCA should come secndary to that imo.

[Egix96]

I'd like to know your reads as well, Titus.

When I know, you'll know. I've spent most of the thread interacting with you...Since I don't have VCA data, my reads are rough at best.

Reading people's post and actions is usually adequate. VCA should come secndary to that imo.

Well, you've never played with me. I'm best late in games because hard data run my decisions. I play mafia to get better at the former.

So you play mafia to get better at playing mafia... how novel.

The reason why I thought Celica wasn't likely to be lynched any more was because Cowbells was all like "we're lynching me or Shosh today!" and since there's a chance he's the cop's N1 peek I thought I might as well go along with that.

You don't think there's a chance cop checked me?

Did you see anyone voting RC? Why'd you follow RC without questioning his "1v1" premise?

Anyone who was voting Cowbells there was risking outing the cop. And that last question, I'm not gonna answer, because I think it's rolefishing.

RC, Shoshin and I are never getting lynched.

What did you think of this post when you read it, Egix?

I thought those were empty words.

[Egix96]

I thought those were empty words.

What's your read on Creature?

On a scale from 1 (town) to 10 (scum) I would put him at about 6.5. The only reason why that's not higher is because I'm not sure if him posting ~30 times in a row is within his scumrange yet or not.

VOTE: Egix

Seems like a good wagon.

Like the Wells Fargo Wagon.

Oh ho, the Egix a wagon is a coming down the street, I sure hope that he is scum!

Are you always gonna do this?
How much of the game have you read?

VOTE: Shosin

I am done. You exasperate me.

I'd still like to know what your read is on me btw.

[Egix96]

I've read enough.

Obviously not if you can't see that I'm town this time...

On a scale from 1 (town) to 10 (scum) I would put him at about 6.5.

Hello

*Adds another 0.5 points to Creature's rating*

@mod maybe it's asking too much but can we get more 1 day in the deadline? This game had lots of replacements and inactivity.

I thought the existing extension was generous enough as is imho.

I was in five or six games at the time & felt overwhelmed.

Not that I should change my read on you based on that, but...

*Lets out a massive sigh*

I don't know about you but that would have been too much for me.

[Egix96]

Spoiler: Irrelevant side thought

What if Creature changed his avatar from Meowth to Totodile so that he'd have a type advantage against my Growlithe?

[Egix96]

What is Worm currently at?

L-1 I believe

[Egix96]

VOTE: Worm

I guess allowing him time to claim wasn't worth it? We still had 23 hours...

[Egix96]

Damn you, scum, you killed possibly the only person on this site who recognises the existence of my country.

VOTE: Creature

because it was probably his idea.

[Egix96]

Icon, Eyes, & Creature are town. I'm very confident on this.

I will never lynch Icon or Eyes.

Icon, because the amount of effort Fumuki put into the game isn't something that comes from scum Fumuki.

Eyes, because GIF's death. GIF was probably killed because scum thought he was cop, and GIF's posts strongly suggest that he had an innocent result on Eyes if read them from this perspective.

Icon, it's not as simple as based on "activity" so much as the degree of effort Fumuki went to to understand the meta of different players in this game, along with the fact that Fumuki is very unlikely to do this as scum based on what I know about Fumuki. I gave a lot more detail about my Fumuki read yesterday.

As for Eyes, let me clarify the reasoning:

1. If Eyes is scum, scum knew that GIF wasn't the cop because GIF's strongest townread -- a rare "locktown" from GIF -- was Eyes.

2. Scum are unlikely to kill someone who they believe 100% isn't the cop just for the sake of "WIFOM." After all, it means a real cop continues to get results.

3. Scum killed GIF.

4. Therefore, it's unlikely that Eyes is scum.

Okay, so what about Creature? Why is he town?

[Egix96]

I'm not as confident on town Creature as I am on Icon/Eyes but this:

Creature's town because the way he played around Baezu on D1 strongly suggests he's town (calling him scum after the point where scum would have known Baezu was doctor), & Creature's self-vote almost never comes from scum him in this context whereas I've seen him do it as town before. Also, he's defending me at a time when he had no reason to, especially since he had been calling me "underwhelming" earlier in the game and easily could have jumped on my wagon. Lack of opportunism is strongly town indicative for Creature.

Egix, why vote Creature over Titus?

I figured that there would be a lot of dead air at SoD due to the long wait, so I wanted to try and help get things moving again by putting a vote down on someone who a) I scumread, and b) had shown that they were active by posting so they'd be around to react to it.

And his reaction was pretty meh to say the least...

[Egix96]

Damn you, scum, you killed possibly the only person on this site who recognises the existence of my country.

VOTE: Creature

because it was probably his idea.

My experience with GiF says he's a suboptimal kill even if Pretentious was obvtown.

I don't get this.

[Egix96]

I read Egix posts, he's pretty scummy.

Kind of like a worm that hasn't flipped yet

or something like that.
Not as exciting to me as Shoshin lynch.

Not sure what you mean by (bolded)

Do you mean I'm like a worm that hasn't

turned

?

[Egix96]

If Creature were scum, it's very likely he kills me.

Why tho? ELI5.

[Egix96]

I'm not as confident on town Creature as I am on Icon/Eyes but this:

Creature's town because the way he played around Baezu on D1 strongly suggests he's town (calling him scum after the point where scum would have known Baezu was doctor), & Creature's self-vote almost never comes from scum him in this context whereas I've seen him do it as town before. Also, he's defending me at a time when he had no reason to, especially since he had been calling me "underwhelming" earlier in the game and easily could have jumped on my wagon. Lack of opportunism is strongly town indicative for Creature.

Egix, why vote Creature over Titus?

I figured that there would be a lot of dead air at SoD due to the long wait, so I wanted to try and help get things moving again by putting a vote down on someone who a) I scumread, and b) had shown that they were active by posting so they'd be around to react to it.

And his reaction was pretty meh to say the least...

You said Titus was your top scumread yesterday. Why aren't you pushing that today?

Because I'm having trouble deciding who's more likely scum between you and her.

Egix, what do you make of the fact that Pops agrees with all my reads yet jumps on my wagon? Seems like a pretty opportunistic voting decision. Do you agree?

Ohh yeah that does look pretty bad.

[Egix96]

I don't think it's correct play for Egix to bus you here though. We'd probably lynch him anyways.

I really don't get how anyone could possibly think that I'm scum with Shosh here.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Shoshin

Back to L-2 I believe. All I ask is that you guys don't lynch me while I'm asleep. Gnight

[Egix96]

Yeah I'm the cop

N1 Cowbells green

N2 Flippynips green

Have fun

[Egix96]

Seriously?!

VOTE:

That doesn't count as an unvote, remember.

[Egix96]

oh nvm

[Egix96]

Still no voting Shoshin though

Want me to go back to Creature?

[Egix96]

No. I think it's Titus+Clemency+one of the other 2, so it's safer to lynch in Titus/Clemency

The problem is that you can't be presumed clear any more, unless people buy into the theory that you're cop-hunt cleared.

[Egix96]

Did I scare everyone away?

[Egix96]

Alright, fine.

I claim cop with a guilty on Egix & Titus.

Please lynch them.

OH COME ON, THIS IS BS

IF YOU PEEKED TITUS RED WHY NOT OUT IMMEDIATELY?

Once she flips town you are dead meat.

[Egix96]

actually, why don't we just try to lynch eyes?
the cop claim will prove itself by being (or not being) alive tomorrow lol

VOTE: eyes

Yo egix, you have the unique opportunity to survive your claim by voting eyes here.

Why thank you

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Eyes without a face

Reading back atm

[Egix96]

Why are you voting me, Egix?

I've been scumreading you all game. Why shouldn't I be?

Explain the reasoning behind your claimed targets for investigation, Egix?

I decided to check Cowbells N1 because he's a very good scum player and difficult to read accurately. I didn't want to spend the rest of the game feeling paranoid about him.

As for flippy, I was having difficulty in getting a good read on him, and based on what I've read re:how to play cop I thought it would be best to check someone who was middle of the field, so to speak, rather than a scum read.

pedit: steady on now!

[Egix96]

Why didn't you try to soft during the day that eyes wasn't cop checked?

During the current Day you mean?

I guess I hadn't realised that I should've done that. Sorry

[Egix96]

Ahh, so much to read, so little time... Just wanna respond to these quickly:

i thought that egix was scum in this game when i thought he was scum in 2070, i think that he's town now + i think his read change on me knowing my alignment in that game probably comes from town as well.

Mmm you're not wrong in saying that my read on you has changed since D1, but what I was saying was that I don't think Shoshin should still be scumreading you if Fumuki is right in saying that you were a driving force in moving the lynch from her to Wizard. (From her perspective, what reason does scum!you have for moving from one townie to another?) To me it kinda seems like a perspective slip for Shosh.

I thought she was scum being advised in the scum PT to crumb doctor but was doing it very wrong.

That's not possible, scum PT doesn't open until N1 in this setup.

Looking into Egix ISO, this pops up and can actually prove his N1 cop on RC.

Why have you been scumreading me?

No offence intended, but have you been reading my posts? I thought I'd been explaining myself quite well but if not, I apologise.

All right then, if I'm wrong on you and you're actually town, then now's your chance to show it.

- Can you remember why you said "I'd feel tempted to self-vote in that case, RC." in post#36? Because I don't think that's a very towny attitude to have.

- You seem to ask the question "if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?" or some variation of it, often. What do you intend to achieve by asking it?

- P#798 - "I'm also sort of lazy this game because I have the backup of RC & NSG, so I feel less urgency about sorting alignments." Why those two players specifically?

- P#978 - "You're scum until you stop scumreading me." Can you remember why you said that?

- P#986 - "I don't have a solid read on either of RC or NSG." Then why were you using them as backup?

This is from looking through the first ~half of your ISO. That should be enough for the time being.

What are your reads, Egix?

{NSG, Freezer}
{Cowbells, Fumuki}
{Eyes, Wormy}

Flippy - If I be honest I don't really have a read on him atm

{Creature}
{Titus slot, Shosh}

Egix, why did you not put Cowbells as top townread here?

I was trying not to make it too obvious to the scum.

I figured that putting Cowbells above Eyes would be enough to make it apparent which of the two I had checked.

[Egix96]

why didn't you vote shoshin for the counterclaim?

My vote was already on her I believe.

[Egix96]

Sorry guys I was actually the doctor

[Egix96]

Sorry guys I was actually the doctor

Did you protect Shoshin last night

lolno

I docced Eyes

[Egix96]

Just trying to figure out how YT tags work here

[Egix96]

Oh btw, I have a special offer for you guys.



Vote anyone other than me today to receive a pair of daycop goggles!

Just like the ones I'm using on Creature right now...

VOTE: Creature

Ha! Gotteem.

[Egix96]

VOTE: egix

You don't want to be able to daypeek people? Have it your way then...

[Egix96]

Bah, everyone's just ignoring me it seems like.

Bye then...