Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Eyes without a face]

Who is NSG?

Also, why are we helping scum with these early claims?

Also also hello again Creature & RC. Are you 2 scum together again?

VOTE: Dr Worm

Reason: SCRUM BI VIRTSHUE OV NOT POASTING YET (Did I spell that correct, Worm?)

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: Shoshin

WIRM hasn't been online for a few days. I would rather be voting someone active to get interactions.

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: Shoshin

Put him at L-1 to see what he does.

VOTE: TheWIzard

RC's vote switch is just 3 posts above. This looks like a posturing vote to me.

[Eyes without a face]

Miss Kobayashi Maru has requested replacement.

And

requesting

replacement (as opposed to flaking) this early is scummy af. It feels as if someone didn't like their partners. I mean it's an open setup so it can't be they didn't like

their role

, so what other reason(s) are there for someone to request to replace out this early?

[Eyes without a face]

As a matter of fact

VOTE: Miss Kobayashi slot

I like this more than I liked my Wizard vote. I recall I had some town pings from Wizard earlier although I still think the timing of the vote on Shoshin sucks.

[Eyes without a face]

Do you wanna go to a party with me, Eyes? You seem real fun.

Thanks for the compliment, but I don't get the invitation.

[Eyes without a face]

Also also hello again Creature & RC. Are you 2 scum together again?

You know the answer.

The only way I'd know is if I was scum. Are you scum reading me?

[Eyes without a face]

Brazil probtown

God damn it. Use the players' names. I don't know who Brazil is.

[Eyes without a face]

Shitty wagons so far

Start a good one then.

[Eyes without a face]

i don't think it's a clever play at all. i mean if he's actually doctor then ok totally 100% with you that's town. but if he's VT, i don't think it's at all alignment indicative one way or another.

You're scum? Again?? And I'm going to lose another town game because of you???

"if he's VT..." it's not AI?? How can one be a villager yet probably scum?? Your phrasing indicates you know he is town, but are unsure if he is a doctor or a bluffing VT.

I know this vote leads to my lynch today. I don't care. My point stands.

VOTE: RC

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes without a face
Egix96
CultOfAthena
Shoshin
Pretentious

Are all towny to me after catching up. I think I like votes on Skellen and Emperor flippyNips the most at the moment!

Assuming both Egix and Shoshin are rown (I have them both at null) then all scum are in the pool of RC/Nippy/Creature/Worm (Worm didn't post, I know. I TR everyone else to various degrees though)

[Eyes without a face]

if he's claiming VT.

But he clearly isn't/wasn't? The whole point was that he claimed doctor.

[Eyes without a face]

those are bad reads and that's a bad poe pool.

Um.. let's hypothetically assume I'm correct. What other response would you expect from a member of the scum team?

P-edit: Are you playing me? I think one of us needs to get lynched today. I am not going to spend two months playing only for you to quick hammer a townie in lylo and win the game for scum.

[Eyes without a face]

I was first to sign up to this game. Check the sign ups, bro.

[Eyes without a face]

But seriously. Your whole argument was about him claiming doctor in the first place, so you shading him then town reading him when I pointed out your slip doesn't make sense at all.

[Eyes without a face]

What behaviour? You posted something that I saw as a slip. I scum read you for it. I voted you based on my scum read of you. Isn't that how the game works?

[Eyes without a face]

Who said anything about a policy lynch? Hello? Speak English?

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But seriously. Your whole argument was about him claiming doctor in the first place, so you shading him then town reading him when I pointed out your slip doesn't make sense at all.

"But seriously"

i think the claim is exceptionally likely to clear him if he's actually claiming doctor yes. if he doesn't actually claim to have doctor role PM then not understanding how macho works is entirely NAI for him

OK. And how you gonna tell if he was seriously claiming doctor?

[Eyes without a face]

1st: Tactical rep-outs are for scum. I am not.
2nd: No one said anything about a PL. That's no one but you.
3rd: I have no problem losing to you or anyone else. In fact I only won one town game so far in which I was lynched on D1.

I actually dunno what your problem is. Why are you making such a deal over one vote on you from someone who doesn't even get listened to. I made a case and I voted accordingly. It is up to the rest of the players to evaluate and either vote with me, vote me, or ignore me. If I see a better wagon that convinces me I will move on. If not then I'm making it clear where I stand. I will lynch any of my 4 suspects if there's a wagon on any of them. The day is still young and we're in no hurry though so I want to make my reads known to everyone in case I'm removed from the game by either a lynch or a night kill.

[Eyes without a face]

RC, do you want me to replace out? Would that make you happy? Because I honestly only play to have fun, not to pick up fights, and I have no tolerance for drama. You my pretend this to be our first game together if you like and carry on. I would have said what I said to just about anyone if they said what you said, but of course you won't find a previous incident because nobody did before and this is only my 6th game overall ob MS. I am not treating you differently.

[Eyes without a face]

Have someone say something that I consider scummier than what you did and see how I'll treat them. You may (or may not) have been mistreated by others before because you are -obviously- a good player. It happens. I know. But I am not them and you really can't blame me for someone else's mistakes. I will respect your wish and refrain from joining games with you in the future if you insist, although -to be totally honest- I think I have lots to learn from you based on what I've seem from you before. But just because I'm an admirer doesn't mean I can't scum read you and even push you based on that scum read.

[Eyes without a face]

i understand that you're salty about losing to me. or whatever. even though firebringer was town. i can't control that. i don't even think you're scum. but I can't play around you declaring a 1 on 1 with me here when I've done more than anything else based off of a slip that isn't even a slip b/c someone told you that i was good at scum.

How about you ignore my case/vote and move on? I am literally the least effective player on the list (probably on the whole site). In my previous game I was scum myself and I was parking my vote on my partner and trying to get them lynched, and the largest the wagon got was 2 votes in 3 or 4 game days. Even when I know someone is scum I can't get them lynched. Calm down.

[Eyes without a face]

you can call me scum without declaring a 1v1 because you're clearly hung up on a previous game.

your reason for scumreading me is terrible but that's not even what I'm mad about.

OK. I retract the 1v1 part. Happy?

[Eyes without a face]

it's not about you posting a threat to me. i already know you don't. i'm probably going to get copped night one anyways. it's about the fact that what you're doing is so against the spirit of the game.

I;ve retracted the part that's upsetting you and I apologize for mu mistake. Can we move on? I am not sure people will be too happy seeing us going back and forth about this for another page. I now understand what triggered you and I am sincerely sorry.

[Eyes without a face]

If somehow RC is town, then 1. he's bad and 2. my scumread reverts to Eyes. But that's unlikely.

VOTE: TheWizard

Lining up lynches is a scum tell. Also this is strike two. I gave you leeway the first time because I thought you were townie earlier, but this one I can't just chalk up and let go.

[Eyes without a face]

on page 8 EMPIREFLOPPYNIP became TROWN in MY BRAIN!!

So he is town to your brain and scum to your heart? I hope these are the only 2 members you're using this game. I would hate to know what it feels in your guts!

[Eyes without a face]

please don't cop buki btw. we're just lynching him and you'll have to claim to defend him if he flips town. use the cop on someone relevant.

Noted.

[Eyes without a face]

Sample Votecount

VOTECOUNT

Player 4 (4)

- Player 1, Player 2, Player 3, Player 5

Player 3 (3)

- Player 4, Player 6, Player 7

Player 2 (2)

- Player 8, Player 9

Player 1 (1)

- Player 10

Not Voting (3) - Player 11, Player 12, Player 13

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline is on Month Day, Year at [time], which is in 0.00

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   Miss Kobayashi Maru
   
   
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10. 0.00
    Skellen
    
    
11. 0.00
    
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[Eyes without a face]

Spoiler: Buki

please don't cop buki btw. we're just lynching him and you'll have to claim to defend him if he flips town. use the cop on someone relevant.

Noted.

Yeah

no

I didn't want to be rude before but I don't care anymore

I slept, and now that I woke up I did re:read all of this and...

I'm feeling pretty stupid. It's a fucking shit case and it's because of people that buy it like you that I get pissed off.

I wanted to lynch confirmed scum. Because Shoshin is confirmed scum if she can't show me a single game where she does absolutely nothing. Radiant wants to lynch someone that isn't confirmed scum because he wants to play with Shoshin.

It's like

fucking simple like that

please don't cop buki btw. we're just lynching him and you'll have to claim to defend him if he flips town. use the cop on someone relevant.

Noted.

Also, this post doesn't make sense but Eyes seem a specialist in not making sense anyway

First you said that RC was confirmed scum because he slipped, afterwards changing to Wizard because he was "lining up lynches" (and how can it be more scummy than a scum slip anyway?), and now you're even listening to what RC (confirmed scum from your pov), has to say.

If you're town I don't really know what to say to you. It's like, you forget what you were supposed to believe. Hopefully you are simply scum and we can all go home later.

Then it can be Wiz/Shoshin/Eyes I guess.

I suppose I'll go for a

Shoshin > Wiz

lynching order. If Shoshin flips scum, Wiz has good enough equity, and if Shoshin flips town, we might as well go for Wiz.

VOTE: Shoshin

Back to confirmed scum, and not just "probably scum" imo.

Too much talk over

nothing

. RC said not to check you and I said ok. So? I am not even voting you. I am voting TheWizard still (to the best of my recollection). I actually find it peculiar that you get upset over this, and even more so that you acknowledge my vote is on TheWizard, state a scum read on him, then decide to vote Shoshin instead.

[Eyes without a face]

i'm not sure there's a better system than saying "wiz, protect this player, any other doctors protect that player"

Are you telling scum whom the doctors will protect in advance?

[Eyes without a face]

There is

Wiz protect (cop target)

Other doctors roll 1dx in x townblock

I like this plan better than NSG's. Scum cannot kill X regardless of whether Wiz is doctor or scum. Then if cop has no guilty they stay hidden and X becomes confirmed and we leash the cop again, and scum will have to either shoot X or try to hunt for the cop, which means we may have a doctor, a cop + 2 confirmed VTs by D3.

[Eyes without a face]

We agree that wizard + cop target a player

Silence is presumed inno

+1

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes, what is your read on Shoshin?

I did't have one, but his calm attitude towards NSG pings town to me. Not a string read, but that's all I have on Shoshin for now.

And I would volunteer to be copped if you guys are finding it hard to agree on a target. My reads are notoriously bad, yet I have never experienced what it feels to be confirmed town. I get to live till tomorrow then scum can choose berween shooting me (no big loss to town) or hunting for the cop and leaving me alive and confirmed.

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes without a face...

wasn't you supposed to believe in a scum slip of RC?

First: I'm impulsive and I know it. Second: My reads are always bad anyway (it's documented in all my previous games). Third: Assuming I'm right about RC I don't think he gets lynched today still. No point in wasting my time on something that's not going to happen.

Now the plan itself is good enough regardless of who proposed it, so I'm going along with it. There may be a little trick here or there but that is for scum to try to find.

[Eyes without a face]

What do you think about him not pushing any alternative lynches? There's no reason for a townie to do that, in his situation.

If he's not confident in his reads he won't be pushing someone for the sake of pushing someone. If he pushed another townie and we lynch that townie it becomes worse because he will be the designated D2 lynch anyway, so 2 mislynches instead of one.

[Eyes without a face]

Stop giving wixard an excuse to direct the cop

We're not. I volunteered so it is actually I who gave the directions according to your own plan. Cop and claimed Doctor on me. Other Doctor does what they want as far as I'm concerned.

[Eyes without a face]

UNVOTE:

Just in case Wiz' self vote isn't hammer

[Eyes without a face]

Why is this thread still open??

[Eyes without a face]

I forgot everything about this game.

[Eyes without a face]

Oh, right. 2 Doctor claims. RC upset with the way I phrased my read on him. OK... I think I am starting to remember.

VOTE: Dr Worm

I believe this is where I want to lynch today. Can anybody tell me why not?

[Eyes without a face]

Do you think RC is town, Eyes?

I have no idea. I did suspect him yesterday, and I still do, but I've skimmed some of his games during the night and he acts this way as both alignments (I mean getting upset about being SR'd). But he also said it was the phrasing not the SR itself and I still don't know what to make of that.

[Eyes without a face]

Which RC games did you read during the night, Eyes?

I don't recall the titles. You can check any random games of his to see he does get upset being scum read or voted all the time. It's 100% NAI.

[Eyes without a face]

EYESFACENOPE are you SCUMRAEDING DR WORM or just POLICY LYNCH because of JEALOUSY??

Both. I feel like you are not contributing or even trying to, and I'm not comfortable with the way you post either.

[Eyes without a face]

I want to lynch in Creature/Worm/Flippy today. RC is still an outsider but people who know him better can decide. Probably not todays lynch anyway.

[Eyes without a face]

I think both Fumuki & Celica are town.

RC's either scum or having a very bad game.

I 100% agree

[Eyes without a face]

I guess Celica could be scum. If I'm wrong on any of my townreads, it's Celica.

I am moderately confident scum are in Creature, RC, Nippy & Worm. Egix is an outsider contender. Everyone else is town to me.

[Eyes without a face]

This is roughly where I'm at on reads:

Town

Fumuki
Celica
GIF
NSG
Eyes
Emperor
Creature
Worm
RC
Egix

Scum

I'm in love with this read list. We basically only disagree about the order of the scum reads

[Eyes without a face]

if i or eyes are the cop we will target shoshin.

Acknowledged.

[Eyes without a face]

{nsg}
{egix, emperor, fumuki}
{creature, gif}
{everyone else}

Bad read list.
Really bad read list.
Really really bad read list.

[Eyes without a face]

Between myself and eyes both slots will be clear tomorrow. At least one is clear today by lack of guilty claims

This is true. I am assuming I was the cop check on N1 though, but if there's no guilty on D3 then I can't help but drop my SR on you.

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: Celica

Lynch all lurkers.

Says the guy on his 4th post of D2.

Why foes Celica have more scum equity than Dr Worm? @Egix?

[Eyes without a face]

I am moderately confident scum are in Creature, RC, Nippy & Worm. Egix is an outsider contender. Everyone else is town to me.

Why is Creature, RC, & Nippy more scummy than Egix?

Because Egix is always scummy no matter what he rolls.

[Eyes without a face]

@Egix: That's why I asked. Now go through Worm's ISO -if you will- and tell me what he posted that actually serves/served any purpose at all. Thank you.

[Eyes without a face]

Are these any good?

Not really. I could've made those comments without even reading the game.

Also, I did meta-dive you. It was unnatural how often you get SR'd regardless of your alignment.

[Eyes without a face]

O am willing to switch to Creature if more people want to vote there.

[Eyes without a face]

Egix joined Celica's wagon right after RC had switched to Worm to make them equal wagons!
Shoshin switched to Worm right agter I voiced willingness to vote Creature!!
RC weirdly calling for game abandoning!!!
Creature self-votes!!!!

I give up!!!!!

[Eyes without a face]

?? I count 8 players (including myself) who had posted in the last 10 hours.

[Eyes without a face]

This is a shameless prodge for a fay that never ends.

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes, what're your current reads? I'd like an updated list from you given all the new posts in the game.

My reads haven't changed much, but that's probably because I've been skimming hard.

I also hate replacements as they tend to spoil my reads (spoil as in make them go bad).

I TR Fumuki but

only

because I thought Skellen was very townie. I also TR GiF because Prententious was town enough.

I still TR CoA although not as hard, and I think you, Celica and Egix are town too (this is where it gets tricky as I think scum are controlling the ga,e pushing you/Celica as competing wagons)

I am null on RC pending another night phase. If no guilty is claimed then he's confirmed town (I won't entertain the idea of a Cop doing their own thing here)

And that leaves me with exactly 3 people to lynch from: Dr Worm/Creature/Emperor flippyNips (and I like them to be in that order)

[Eyes without a face]

I don't remember why I had him as a town lean. It was based on D1 play though.

[Eyes without a face]

This game had lots of replacements and inactivity.

Who you calling inactive?

[Eyes without a face]

I got nothing. I don't even remember what my reads were. Anyway, I think everything will come back to me once everybody has posted.

[Eyes without a face]

Oh, yeah.. I don't mind lynching in Nippy/Creature/Icon, but I think I really wanted to lynch Dr Worm.

VOTE: Dr Worm

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: Egix

[Eyes without a face]

@Shoshin: Can we lynch Titus? Please? Pretty please?

I mean, I know the Cop "should" have checked that slot already, which is why I keep thinking they might be town after all, but I can't help feeling Titus is being manipulative and really sucks at it.

@Titus: Read the game already. I should be conf!town regardless because I was supposed to be the N1 Cop check anyhoo. No guilty = clear.

@Pops: Who did you replace again? Celica?? If so, you're town. Please don't vote Shoshin. She is the only one talking sense in this game so far. RC was adamant about lynching her and I still SR RC (Titus) the most.. independently.

[Eyes without a face]

OH! Then Titus is the bad townie and Pops is the scum between the two? Or.. maybe the cop did check RC and Pops is town, but id Celica so good as scum? Because I hard TR'd her.

[Eyes without a face]

OK.. so maybe she was scum and fooled me. The thing is Titus is pinging my scumdar to the mac here, but I am still voting Egix necause I trust you.

[Eyes without a face]

so far eyes would be my prime lynch candidate

He's COP CLEARED though.

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes, what reason did you have to try and 'unhammer'?

Don't ask me about anything that happened in the stone ages. I don't remember and I won't go back to check for what I've been thinking in pre-historic eras. We're here now, and I am playing the game from the point it got resumed.

[Eyes without a face]

so far eyes would be my prime lynch candidate

We were assuming he was copped though.

wait do you know that or are you just guessing

We're all assuming it. The Cop was told to check me on N1, and I don't see why they would have not. I volunteered for it.

[Eyes without a face]

If Egix claims cop now one scum can quickhammer him to trade.

True, but it still confirms me so I would earn an IC status

[Eyes without a face]

FTR, this is the last person I check as cop. I check the nulls or VCA markers.

FTR, you were not in the game D1.

[Eyes without a face]

Seriously?!

VOTE:

[Eyes without a face]

UNVOTE:

[Eyes without a face]

Still no voting Shoshin though

[Eyes without a face]

No. I think it's Titus+Clemency+one of the other 2, so it's safer to lynch in Titus/Clemency

[Eyes without a face]

The other 3 being Icon/Shoshin/Creature

[Eyes without a face]

No. I think it's Titus+Clemency+one of the other 2, so it's safer to lynch in Titus/Clemency

The problem is that you can't be presumed clear any more, unless people buy into the theory that you're cop-hunt cleared.

I understand that, but I'm talking about the game from my own PoV.

[Eyes without a face]

Those are fake results, you can tell from his reads.

Elaborate (sorry, but I'm too lazy to go check)

[Eyes without a face]

{NSG, Freezer}
{

Cowbells

, Fumuki}
{Eyes, Wormy}

Flippy - If I be honest I don't really have a read on him atm

{Creature}
{Titus slot, Shosh}

That IS pretty odd if you ask me. Why put a mod-confirmed slot as a second tier TR?

[Eyes without a face]

Should I vote Egix or Titus? Actually, it makes sense to me that they're both scum with Clemency

[Eyes without a face]

I'll also admit that I thought GIF was the cop yesterday

So, you're not the cop! I am obviously not it, and if Egix is faking then scum already know where to shoot with a 50% chance of hitting a PR.

I think the real cop needs to out today. If not, then I'm voting Titus and letting it all resolve through night action.

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: Titus

[Eyes without a face]

I prefer lynching Egix over Titus, mostly because I want to see how Titus explains her behavior after Egix flips scum. Makes the game a bit more interesting.

I prefer Titus because her flipping scum is a hard guilty on Egix

[Eyes without a face]

I am going to be on for the next couple of hours, but not necessarily glues in front of the screen.

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes, you quoted the post where you show her lying. Why are you voting other players?

To be fair, she did include the rebuttal of her claim within her claim. She said she had guilties on Titus & Egix when she was arguing I should have been checked. It looked like she was being sarcastic (and rightfully so) of Egix' xlaim.

Shoshin is town no matter how you look at it. She may still be the Cop (and trying not to get shot tonight) or she may be just town who is very confident in her reads.

[Eyes without a face]

To be clear, I believe the cop (whoever it is) has a clear on me already. I know this by heart. Titus, Clem & Egix are scum to me. I want to lynch Titus because her flipping red is proof Egix is lying, so the cop doesn't need to out unless they have a guilty on the third member.

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: Pops

If you knew you were in RC's slot then Icon could not ever be higher than RC in your lost, thus you are lying. <<<LAL
If it slipped your mind that you were in RC's slot then 2802 is obviously a lie,and again.. <<<LAL

Would you kindly vote yourself to prove to me you practice what you preach?

[Eyes without a face]

Pops i complicating it, not me. But OK...

VOTE: Egix

[Eyes without a face]

It would have been nice if someone on my team gave cover for me but instead you want to mass claim? What a joke.

I tried to..

Eyes, you quoted the post where you show her lying. Why are you voting other players?

To be fair, she did include the rebuttal of her claim within her claim. She said she had guilties on Titus & Egix when she was arguing I should have been checked. It looked like she was being sarcastic (and rightfully so) of Egix' xlaim.

Shoshin is town no matter how you look at it. She may still be the Cop (and trying not to get shot tonight) or she may be just town who is very confident in her reads.

I mean, anything more would've probably backfired, but whatever.

[Eyes without a face]

1.from what I remember you were the first one who was wanting to mass claim.& you never said let’s have everyone claim except for doctor. So you wanted the same thing.

Makes sense for a Cop who has turned MACHO to try to direct the kill on the Doctor so that they can get another result, fwiw.

[Eyes without a face]

Emperor or Clem.

Poppycock

Who is this?

Who goes by Nips? I guess this was a distancing move?? Not sold yet, but I don\t trust anyone but Shoshin atm. OK, maybe Creature too.

[Eyes without a face]

Can we lynch Egix now?

Already on him. I dunno what else to do.

[Eyes without a face]

Oh, please! Egix is NEVER the cop here. ENN EE VEE EE ARR

[Eyes without a face]

*Sigh*

OK...

VOTE: Titus

[Eyes without a face]

Let me remind you all that RGix claimed clears on Nippy & RC (Pops). I don't think he clears a scum p there in case he is lynched (and he knew there's a decent chance he got lynched today). I think the 3rd scum is hypothetically between Clem & Icon, but I'm heavily leaning Clem.

P.S. I found out NSG hates playing scum and her behavior here was more like her scum play (inactive + replace out) so yeah.

[Eyes without a face]

Sorry guys I was actually the doctor

I like lynching doctors.

VOTE: Egix96