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VOTE: cinnamon i have been waiting for this game to start so I could tell you your name and profile picture are very cuteHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Somehow I foresaw FL’s vote the moment Ausuka stole you from the queueHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I know your vote is not RVS. That’s what I was saying
I’m always torn in newbie games between wanting to be a good example and wanting to play really loose-y goose-y
Here’s me doing the latter VOTE: Irrelephant11Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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VOTE: thenavneetHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Not sure what to do with the complete lack of a response to my self vote
but uh
I guess your reactions are NAI since you all ignored it
:/Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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teacher I'm confused. Did you not see this page of the game when you voted for me? How did you think it was L-1?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I, as an SE, think it was very towny. I got a wagon going quick, which is always good!In post 31, Menalque wrote:
I thought it seemed a little scummy but wanted to wait and see what the SEs were reading from it, because it came so early onIn post 27, Irrelephant11 wrote:Not sure what to do with the complete lack of a response to my self vote
but uh
I guess your reactions are NAI since you all ignored it
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Speaking of, wanna vote thenavneet? They're currently my strongest scumreadHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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An incredibly small one, yes! I think more than any other player their RVS vote ignored what had come before it in a slightly scummy wayHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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See now that’s a spicy take
This guy gets it
That’s L-1Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Wait wow it super isn’t L-1Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Lol I guess we’re too lazy to read before we write
What do you think about Bob’s vote one meHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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This is an interesting postIn post 55, Menalque wrote:That Bob’s phrasing was odd. “One of his partners”. But we know that if he’s mafia then there’s only one partner, so use of the plural stands out. I don’t think it necessarily means Bob is bad but it makes me think maybe he’s probably not actually persuaded that irrelephant is bad.
Bob, why did you say "one of his partners"? What did you mean?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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FL why did you unvote?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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A lot of that honestly feels like a stretch
I do think I townlean menalque overall, though. I don't think a case that's a stretch is scummy on page 3, necessarily
Eggs feels like nervous town (not a strong read yet though)
Part of me wants to townread cinnamon for tone but otoh I almost get a "don't want to get my hands dirty" vibe from their posts
I don't love navneet's "this is RVS so nothing matters" attitude but this wagon is played out
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^Agreed
I could see a Bob/cinnamon team, but if not that I would also start looking closer at my fellow SEsHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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That is to say, I townread menalque/Eggs/navneet and don’t yet have reasons to scumlean FL or teacher, but unless the team is 2/3 of cinnamon/Bob/Voted I agree that SEs should get a closer lookHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Still kinda getting scum vibes from cinnamon, as much as I like their name and avatarHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Cinnamon reminds me of my first game tbhHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Feels almost too politeHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Oh I forgot they voted together
Voted/Bob team?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I’ll stop speculating and start voting
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I think I townread Uncle Bob scumreading FL here? Not sure if scum!Bob thinks his best pivot from being widely scumread is to move to Flavor who's been pretty active and has lots of experience.
Maybe I'm wrong though
Meanwhile, might as well move down the line to my newly strongest scumread! VOTE: votedHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Can you talk more about what you meant here?In post 135, Uncle Bob wrote:Eggs is questionable.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 124, Cinnamon wrote:I find it weird that a Bob/me team is coming up at all from these SEs, even if we both may individually look scummy to them. To me, I don't think anyone would as mafia agree so much with their mafia partner out of nowhere on a player that nobody else is reading as scummy at this point in the game, especially when they aren't being townread themselves (although bob was townread by some at this point).a
The reason why I caveated my read on flavor is that I am currently out and did not have time to provide a full read on him, but I wanted to post my gut reaction to their posts at the time. If teacher can vouch for this as his playstyle, then that weakens my read on him a lot.
I disagree, actually. It's a good argument for why cinnamon isn't scum with Bob, but isn't that towny otherwise imoIn post 131, Eggs wrote:I think 124 reflects well on cinnamon, which makes things harder.
Gonna go with this.
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Interesting I was just thinking a similar thought about you/cinnamon
Maybe I shouuuuld take mindmelding with the SEs as town indicative? It’s happened multiple times with both of you
I wonder if a teacher/FL team sets out to try to pocket me hard? Probably not?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Where are the inconsistencies in my logic?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Where in 138 do you see me “forgetting” my Bob read?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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If you townread FL, you think I’m not putting much thought in my reads, and you think teacher has barely contributed, which of us do you think is the “one mafia who is doing a great job at misleading town”?
I might have been too quick to townread Eggs, in retrospect. He’s got a lot to say but he does feel very self conscious here. I’m flip flopping as I reread his ISOHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I no longer scumread cinnamon, I think? Ironically I think most of my scumread there was from his personality/posting style, which is actually fairly similar to mine.
Navneet how do you read cinnamon?
Cinnamon what from menalque do you like?
This game it feels like it’s rare for two players to be online simultaneously - I thik the gamestate could become a little more high info if we make a concerted effort to interrogate each other more closely despite time differences.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Hnggg I feel like I’m letting cinnamon off too easy
But like maybe voted is just lurky scum and this game is actually going greatHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Why is Eggs higher townier than menalque?
Why don’t you want to vote SEs - what if two of us SEs are the entire scumteam?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I don’t think navneet is scum based on how many votes he’s gotten tbhHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Active scum certainly doesn’t help town more than lurking town. What?
And yeah it can be hard to lynch scum D1 but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. The odds are low but nowhere near 0%Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Regardless of your stance on lynching SEs, what are your reads on us?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I also think Voted is scum
I also also seriously doubt Menalque is scum here everHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I like what I’m seeing from FL and Menalque recentlyIn post 221, Flavor Leaf wrote:I kind of don’t think it’s Voted either, but that’s less strong. He looks like Major mislynch bait
I’m hesitant of calling Irrelephant scum because I feel I have a tendency to scum read him, but I’m leaning there, which could just mean he’s town.
Which leaves Teacher, Bob, and Nave.
That’s where I’m at
Cinnamon is moving up in my reads though they’re who I would get suspicious of in lylo if that makes sense
I think there’s precisely one scum between {Eggs, Voted}, echoing some of Menalque’s case but also just based on my own reads & the fact Eggs is voting Voted
Teacher had a couple moments I thought were town indicative but he’s pretty impressive as scum so I won’t say he’s a strong townread rn. I guess the fact that Nav was voted quickly early on might not be the strongest reason to townread him on its own. I don’t remember my read on bob
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The stagnant gamestate solidified my townreads on cinnamon and Menalque, who could both choose to do less work than they’re doing and would probably get away with it
Gonna read ISOs to figure out f Voted is actually the lynch I want or just the wagon we neededHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Spoiler: Wow navneet’s ISO is badHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Restarted reads now that there’s meat to most ISOs:
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There’s a surprising amount of “I get why I’m being scumread” this gameIn post 67, Eggs wrote:I don't expect anyone to believe me, but I actually did miscount that wagon and didn't announce L-1.
I will do my best to vomit town over the thread in the next few days.
Eggs is very town
I forgot I’d seen his finished towngame - he’s even townier here, by postcount and word count (good enough for me in this slow D1)Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Flavor Leaf is Flavor Leaf I townlean him which makes me think I should scumread him which makes me think I should townread him.
His meta is complicated and I’ll leave him at null for nowHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Actually I’ll leabe him at townlean
At least a couple of my reasons to townread him are somewhat firm (timing of similar thoughts about each other and reads that make sense, not causing chaos, etc)Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 120, teacher wrote:I love when I meld with you, even if I can never townblock you. Nice to play with you again.
I’m actually more on bob. Both of their first two posts seemed off.In post 162, teacher wrote:It’s been a few months, but my history with the elephant is that I normally have the same reads. I am always concerned about him cause the man can powerscum with the best of them, but with his activity levels and general slot odds, that’s never a good day one lynch.
I grok what he is saying in Eggs. Lot of self-conscious posting and one slight scummy vote. Here again though, I’m willing to let the active driving of the game take it out of my D1 lynch pool.
I get why Menalque is pushing Eggs. It’s a legitimate case and the most questionable objective fact on this low info day. That said, I strongly differ on reading tone. Indeed, the tone comment is odd from someone who writes 20
That is my not lynching pool for now, and a response to bob’s 136In post 163, teacher wrote:In post 48, thenavneet wrote:I forgot to ask how many games until I qualify as SE when I joined the newb queue
I need you to do an analysis on 3 players. I’ll even let you pick. But reads and reasons please.In post 143, thenavneet wrote:
This ended up not being true. Bah hate work some days. I'll tryhard later at night but I'll allow people to SR me based on these 2 postsIn post 141, thenavneet wrote:Alright I have some time now so I'm gonna try hard for a bit
I townread all of these ^In post 170, teacher wrote:
This statement requires three plus to be valid. Kindly point them out.In post 167, Cinnamon wrote:there are quite a few town reads on thenavneet right now.
Idk what this question means. What makes a wagon real?In post 202, teacher wrote:
Did the wagon feel real to you?In post 181, Irrelephant11 wrote:I don’t think navneet is scum based on how many votes he’s gotten tbhHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Being pulled away by my wife
I think I was at
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What about voting town on D1 is scummy?
My gut and the fact I couldn’t remember any strong townreads from you, just lotsa scum casesHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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What about the gamestate makes you say the SEs have to have a scum? I get the feeling we might just happen to be three busy adults on a holiday weekend spending most of our time IRLHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I just read through some marathons and kinda suspect cinnamon again, just throwing that out thereHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Yeah weird that Eggs and Voted said nothing right??Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Lol
I was giving Voted a juicy wagon and seeing if he’d take it
He didn’t even touch it
I’m not sure I want a Voted lynch, especially given basically everyone voting him has acknowledged he’s mislynchbaitHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Not sure I see scum!Voted unless scum!teacher, anywayHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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semi-busses?
And I just explained the 180, it was a test for Voted, who didn't look for a way to get on the new opposing wagon (though teacher didn't give him as much time as I'd like before calling my vote out, but...)
If Voted his scum, he has massive confidence that a non-teacher wagon will pull through or teacher is his partner. Both feel pretty unlikely (it's rare that a slower gamestate like this one results in two wagons on scum), so I don't think Voted is scum
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pedit: oh interesting, but then why did Voted ignore the wagon on you? Seems like it'd be the answer to his prayers that he could join the wagon his partner is on with the cover of more towniesHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I'm not sure I find teacher to be scummy but I don't find him much of anything lately, his questions have started to feel like busywork, and I semi-trust FL's reads (trust because his reads are good, semi because I can't really read him)Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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If you’re scum I expect you to take the opportunity to avoid your own lynch, yes @voted
Which is why I’m now thinking you’re town
@eggs I wasn’t expecting anything specific from you, necessarily
Teacher I find your speculation that these two are scum together unrealistic and contradictory to the “don’t pre-flip associate” posts you had a few pages ago. Tell me why I shouldn’t be alarmedHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I mean I’m not just unvoting because i think he’s mislynch bait
He doesn’t show survivalism
I’m really struggling to nail down any strong scumreads
Navneet might be scum and I’d compromise there
Someone sell me on town!cinnamon because their participation in marathons showed me they are skilled as scumHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Do you have any townreads? It’s always helpful to make accurate townreads, making it harder to lynch town
I’m sorta surprised you haven’t wavered in your eggs scumread at this pointHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I will case cinnamon tomorrow and see if my gut makes sense
Menalque is pinging me with so many lynches he’s happy to pursue
Why don’t I feel like I have any strong townreads (and yes I recognize I also have not been especially towny)
I usually scumread when someone says this but wow my head is not in this gameHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I had the same thoughtIn post 367, Cinnamon wrote:On another note, I really don't like this post from Raya. It seems to me that this push on me is mainly based on the opinions of others, rather than their own opinions due to the fact that their arguments are really weak and seem to be coming mainly from irrelephant's thoughts.
The entire post felt like it was meant to get on my good sideHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Raya what makes me a strong townlean for you?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I'm still gonna case cinnamon here though to see if narrowing down my scumlean there will strengthen it or just make it go awayHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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