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To know you can’t really vote anyone and then know you have to be elimmed D3 kinda feels bad?
On top of that you can’t really vote for Mercy or Fight without losing your limited votes?
Plus if they are scum since Toriel is the only elim possible D3 and there’s no punishment you always elim Toriel every time here.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
I would actually dress up a super old setup I played on before MS.
Lemme see if I can find it.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
This was during a hiatus from MS not before hand. My bad
The biggest flaw was that you could elim a scum for control so you just always elim scum the scummiest players first then control in the main game is with town. So scum was penalized for completing their wincon.
I would change this to where you have Heaven and Hell player stumps. Nightkills do not happen then you just have spare or hurt instead of Heaven/hell
Then build Undertale flavor around it.
If you want NKs to happen you’d have to increase the number of town dramatically here.
This idea could use some smithing as it’s 1 am but I think it’s along the lines of what you’re looking for
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
I don’t think you ever don’t eliminate toriel D3. Assuming the first two days are normal elims, not spares regardless of choice (my understanding correct me if wrong) then going into the rest of the game you have a mountainous game, potentially an unwinnable one for either faction in mercy route. Not liming toriel takes the game to evens with no way of returning. Probably runnable, but the game should just be called if it starts with two scum lims.
If the spares/elims decision is retroactive, it’s townsided. You just get rid of the two hardest to read players, decide post flip based on whether they were town or scum. If it’s 1-1, you base the decision on whether Toriel is towny or scummy.
In post 145, Jingle wrote:I would have D3 be a vote for whether heal or hurt and then it always gets applied to toriel thing, btw. Gets rid of the unnecessary decision of do we vote toriel.
Also don’t think toriel is an unfun role. “You only have to care about the game for three phases” is pretty freeing tbh.
I am not a fan.
I don’t see how you don’t just elim Toriel anyway.
They are the only slot ever voted.
They can’t vote so they can’t do anything.
If Toriel was a treestump of known alignment it makes sense
But in this game Toriel is a treestump with limited votes and no additional powers and forced to elim itself d3 is just blah.
I know you said you don’t elim Toriel here but a free elim on the only person votable ans no consequences for a failed miselim I elim the slot every time.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Toriel has two votes day one, a single vote day two, and no votes thereafter.
I read this as two votes the entire phase of D1 and one vote during all of D2 and no votes at any other point.
A double voter is different than having two votes.
I think it may be the literal part of my brain biting me in the butt.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Ah so cool so probably best to change the wording to match that
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Typo there should be three and single vote should be regular voter
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
If players have no elimination and no mercy flight choice day one what do town players do?
Maybe add a “end day” elim vote for town if they don’t want to spend the full timer
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Scum can auto lose if two scum elimmed day one and two. Town votes for Mercy and scum can’t win.
This can be mitigated with Flipless but towns hate flipless.
Maybe spares two or all remaining mafia after the vote?
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
I’d go as far to say if scum is Toriel scum can’t win town picks Mercy every time and scum loses.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
I misunderstood the mercy/fight applies to Toriel as well so not instant loss.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade