Krazy's Anime Upick (Game Over)

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Skygazer

I’m still a bit salty from last time.

[Alchemist21]

Hi jj

[Alchemist21]

If you're IC and you're trolly clap your hands.

This is from after 2001!

Tell me about it.

[Alchemist21]

Mustang, have you seen FMA?

Brotherhood, yeah. The original anime, I saw the first half and a couple of the movies.

[Alchemist21]

Mustang, have you seen FMA?

Brotherhood, yeah. The original anime, I saw the first half and a couple of the movies.

Pretty much the same.

Not true. The anime branched off from the plot of the manga about where I haven’t seen the original. The original also had filler like the Officer, the gentleman, and the mystery of warehouse 13.

[Alchemist21]

ima just say right now that I forgot that I could send in the one and the only. the legendry. Blue-Eyes White Dragon.
Shame
what a shame.

Could have been Exodia. Smh

[Alchemist21]

ima just say right now that I forgot that I could send in the one and the only. the legendry. Blue-Eyes White Dragon.
Shame
what a shame.

That pick doesn't interact with dark magician girl though

Ah. I see you are a man of culture as well.

[Alchemist21]

Titus scares me

all I can imagine is a horde of pasty-white penguins with glowing red eyes, swords, and shotguns aiming at me



-chaos

Just wait till I VCA. Muahahaha.

VOTE: Titus

Reason for this vote?

[Alchemist21]

Been playing Dauntless with my friend tonight.

[Alchemist21]

yuh its ur face
D;

Yeah well that’s just, like, your opinion man.

[Alchemist21]

I haven't started reading yet, I was sleeping for work, I'm going to read now.

But I'm *pretty sure* claiming now is the right call, but I'm vengeful with a time-activated miller clause. So...Hello.

If this is true then you should specify how the time activated clause works.

[Alchemist21]

I think I like Cafe for Town.

[Alchemist21]

Skimmed the past ~10 pages. Gonna sheep Mastina on this one.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[Alchemist21]

That’s adorable.

[Alchemist21]

{cheekybeaky}
{mastina, elsa, panzer}
{chaos wind, jjh, shiro, cafe stile, boon}
{meh}
{tet, titus}
{alchemist, skyg, ali}

I like your two bottom tiers

VOTE: Sky

Can either of you talk to me about why you’re scumreading Sky?

[Alchemist21]

Why don’t you believe the claim?

[Alchemist21]

Why don’t you believe the claim?

I am happy you understood that before I corrected it.

Because this is mastina, she has done that in the past before. She really isnt above claiming mason with her scum partner. It kinda bothers me that Titus defended it like that cause she would know that as well..

I believe Mastina would do that but not Elsa. Scum Elsa is more interested in making false associations with people who aren’t partners and WIFOMing the game.

[Alchemist21]

Why don’t you believe the claim?

I am happy you understood that before I corrected it.

Because this is mastina, she has done that in the past before. She really isnt above claiming mason with her scum partner. It kinda bothers me that Titus defended it like that cause she would know that as well..

I believe Mastina would do that but not Elsa. Scum Elsa is more interested in making false associations with people who aren’t partners and WIFOMing the game.

True but Elsa could be mastina's beta. Unlikely and not worth pursuing but possible.

Beta?

[Alchemist21]

Why don’t you believe the claim?

I am happy you understood that before I corrected it.

Because this is mastina, she has done that in the past before. She really isnt above claiming mason with her scum partner. It kinda bothers me that Titus defended it like that cause she would know that as well..

I believe Mastina would do that but not Elsa. Scum Elsa is more interested in making false associations with people who aren’t partners and WIFOMing the game.

True but Elsa could be mastina's beta. Unlikely and not worth pursuing but possible.

Beta?

Alpha = leader
Beta = follower

I still don’t think Elsa goes along with it even if they have a leader/follower dynamic.

[Alchemist21]

Skimmed the past ~10 pages. Gonna sheep Mastina on this one.
VOTE: CheekyTeeky

On the one hand.
I wouldn't expect Alchemist to be this lackluster as town.
On the other hand.

I also wouldn't expect Alchemist to be this terrible as scum?
I've SEEN him be scum; he did much much better than THIS. (No seriously, check his scumgame. It's not this terrible.)
I've also seen him as town, and he also did much much more than this. (Basically any towngame. Not this lackluster.)
So.
Alch's ambivalent, for what it's worth. I don't know what to make of him here because regardless of his alignment I'd expect something better than what I'm seeing.

I’m playing Dauntless more than I’m playing this game. Even now I’m doing this between missions. And I do usually skim when I open the thread to a ton of pages.

[Alchemist21]

I don't like Alchemist not thinking about how Elsa could be town and not Masons with Mastina, but she's going along with Mastina's plays because idk

I *think* Elsa could do that but I haven’t seen them do it before. It also requires some assumptions on Mastina’s side of things that I don’t want to make.

[Alchemist21]

have you ever considered that tone is just bullshit?

Tone reads by people who know what they’re doing are one of the best kinds tbh.

[Alchemist21]

have you ever considered that tone is just bullshit?

Tone reads by people who know what they’re doing are one of the best kinds tbh.

what did you like about Maika's posts earlier

- Hideri

I liked the way they came into the game with those posts just before I called them Town. I think the question about Mastina’s readslist came from a place of a Townie who doesn’t know Mastina, and I also liked post with the list of Townreads because I think they’re Townhunting. Correct me if I’m wrong but they also strike me as someone who’s less experienced and I would expect them to feel a need to vote or push someone around that time if they were scum.

[Alchemist21]

Are you wildcatting?

Sure Alchemist could die but I don't have a read on him, not theory crafting around a read that I don't have.

You chose to answer the weakest point in my argument and strawman. Dude just scumhunt instead of being scummy. Any reads would help.

Titus, fl, tttt all slots I've pinged out as scum. Doesn't really matter for the first two. TTTT is possible but not a strong read of mine.

I've said all this though. And defended you, but I digress.

VOTE: Tet

1135 looks like scum fencesitting. That post and 1186 look like he’s afraid to stick his neck out and is more concerned with making a vote that will look good to everyone.

[Alchemist21]

That quote’s an accident.

[Alchemist21]

Because that’s the slot that has my attention right now and the one I want to push.

[Alchemist21]

Because that’s the slot that has my attention right now and the one I want to push.

What's your read on Cheeky? Why doesn't your counter wagon have your attention?

It’s still a scumread but the Tet read is one I want to push right now. I feel stronger about my Tet read.

[Alchemist21]

Because that’s the slot that has my attention right now and the one I want to push.

What's your read on Cheeky? Why doesn't your counter wagon have your attention?

It’s still a scumread but the Tet read is one I want to push right now. I feel stronger about my Tet read.

Why is Cheeky a scumread? Why is Tet a higher priority over a push by Masons?

Cheeky’s been a scumread since I saw Mastina call them out on lying about meta. And tet is higher on my priority list because it’s pushed by me.

why would you want to follow masons that are gamethrowing????????
Asking for a friend

Alchemist doesn't think they are and nor do I.

I think they’re Masons.

[Alchemist21]

Game throwing is a strong term to use. Just because you disagree with the read doesn’t make it game throwing.

[Alchemist21]

Like who does a reads list as early as she did when like half the game hadn't posted? It's early town posturing. Her push on Ali could be SvT or SvS but not feeling TvT it's too jokey/silly.

Okay.
So I was already suspicious of CheekyTeeky's opening.

But this?

VOTE: CheekyTeeky
CheekyTeeky just became confscum with this.

You know why?

Because this isn't CheekyTeeky's first game with me.

Check out this game.
Specifically, notice something about my entrance there?
Where I went town town? scum? scum.?
And made an early readslist? When all the players in the game had not posted yet?

You know what my role that game was?

Mason.
Kinda literally the fucking opposite of being scum.

And you know what CheekyTeeky said about me then? A scumread, but absolutely nothing about it was based on the readslist.

The readslist was a nonentity in how CheekyTeeky read me.
You know why?

That game was the most pertinent/relevant game for me to link to.
But it's not the only game we've played together. This game doesn't contain an early readslist because I replaced in D2, but it

does

contain the catchup/replacement-version of my town-town?-scum?-scum post. The format's not identical because again, was catching up as a replacement, but the general idea of it is the same.
Technically there's this game too, but there were extenuating circumstances behind there which made it an abnormality from me. (Among them accidentally hammering Alisae when I was casting an RVS joke-vote unaware e had a wagon on em.)
And then these games as well.

CheekyTeeky absolutely knows better than this.

[Alchemist21]

Cheeky’s been a scumread since I saw Mastina call them out on lying about meta. And tet is higher on my priority list because it’s pushed by me.

This is circular. I asked why are you pushing Tet over Cheeky when both are scumreads? You respond with Tet is a higher priority because it's pushed by you.

Why are you pushing it though?

My read on Tet is stronger than my read on cheeky.

[Alchemist21]

Cheeky’s been a scumread since I saw Mastina call them out on lying about meta. And tet is higher on my priority list because it’s pushed by me.

This is circular. I asked why are you pushing Tet over Cheeky when both are scumreads? You respond with Tet is a higher priority because it's pushed by you.

Why are you pushing it though?

My read on Tet is stronger than my read on cheeky.

Why?

Because it’s based on something I saw myself instead of what someone else saw.

[Alchemist21]

Wait are we dealing with drunk-Titus? I don’t get how a stoned Alisae understands me but not a sober Titus.

[Alchemist21]

Why the fuck is another pair of mason claims going around?

[Alchemist21]

idunno if he is or if he isn't but I don't think its faked

so does Alc not realizing that im literally the hydra that has chemist in it come from a genuine error from town!alc

or scum!alc trying to fake ignorance?
ive never played with alc afair so idk


-chaos

I was talking about the FL/xtoxm mason claims.

[Alchemist21]

I liked this reasoning, I really did. BUT
Whether or not he really townread us based on these reasoning at that moment when Maika posted, I'm doubtful
It feels like he's being lazy and only loosely following the game, but he comes up with a pretty decent reason to townread a slot mostly null, yeah i dont really know if its real.

If a post sticks out to me I can usually read the tone to it pretty well. And I usually have decent reasons for all my reads.

[Alchemist21]

Why the fuck is another pair of mason claims going around?

Because town players feel like trolling. (The mason claim troll could come from scum, sure, yeah, I just don't think it did; both Flavor Leaf and Chaos Wind are townreads.)

Xtoxm’s never struck me as the trolly type though. Idk why he goes along with it unless he’s closer to Flavor Leaf than I realized.

[Alchemist21]

Are you wildcatting?

Sure Alchemist could die but I don't have a read on him, not theory crafting around a read that I don't have.

You chose to answer the weakest point in my argument and strawman. Dude just scumhunt instead of being scummy. Any reads would help.

Titus, fl, tttt all slots I've pinged out as scum. Doesn't really matter for the first two. TTTT is possible but not a strong read of mine.

I've said all this though. And defended you, but I digress.

VOTE: Tet

1135 looks like scum fencesitting. That post and 1186 look like he’s afraid to stick his neck out and is more concerned with making a vote that will look good to everyone.

ummm

alchemist is probably scum for this one

- Hideri

p.edit idk which one of them is chemist and which one is eragon, i'm not used to either of them shitposting this hard.
note: go dig their meta sometime

Why do you think so?

[Alchemist21]

Because I think 1135 is a good townie post with a new angle to look at the wagons with "Mastina claiming is like a perfect catalyst for scum to push a cheeky mislynch." and he's clearly analyzing who is more likely scum based on such angle
whats the scum fencesitting about it

1186 saying "I already want to vote TTTT" isn't something to be said to not offend people

Your read on Tet here are based on twisted facts.

- Hideri

Twisted facts? The questions he was asking looked like he was looking for a safe place to vote. He’s been non-committal and I think he cares more about blending in that pushing scumreads. Now explain what part of that is based on twisted facts.

[Alchemist21]

Because I think 1135 is a good townie post with a new angle to look at the wagons with "Mastina claiming is like a perfect catalyst for scum to push a cheeky mislynch." and he's clearly analyzing who is more likely scum based on such angle
whats the scum fencesitting about it

1186 saying "I already want to vote TTTT" isn't something to be said to not offend people

Your read on Tet here are based on twisted facts.

- Hideri

Twisted facts? The questions he was asking looked like he was looking for a safe place to vote. He’s been non-committal and I think he cares more about blending in that pushing scumreads. Now explain what part of that is based on twisted facts.

??? I just said it
do you want me to use manipulative instead of twisted

- Hideri

Explain how I’m manipulating or twisting facts. All I see is you giving an opinion and not backing it up.

[Alchemist21]

CheekyTeeky gets a Krazy buck for trying to deny me a pagetop!

We can get krazy bucks for stuff other than dead thread bets?

[Alchemist21]

Whatever you say Ali, I don't mind you being wrong. I will admit that you are right though. I have focused on my "prey" because I know I am right.

dude if you have that much confidence in a read you’re not town.

Wrong. Shiro spent so much focus trying to lynch Liger last game we started thinking he was a Lyncher.

Though Shiro and Liger were both Town so you’d think Shiro would have learned better.

[Alchemist21]

give me that iso please.
Its not that shiro spent energy trying to lynch someone. Its how they’re doing it.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Alchemist21]

That never works for me like it shows a broken image.
Maybe I was never meant to gif.

The link has to be an https link, not just http.

[Alchemist21]

Or he could claim literally anything else and get a better more immediate result???????????

Yes, so? Other things are higher risk of getting CCed and migh tbe harder to keep a facade up come tommorow. What he claimed is safe as safe can be.

thats still better then “informed townie”
And if it got CC’d then okay thats a 1 for 1 trade that he’s willing to take.

Since when are scum willing to take 1:1 trades on D1?

[Alchemist21]

Shiro, what do you think of Tet?

[Alchemist21]

The info is not useful now yet you say as town you though outing yourself now, making you a target rendering whatever info can be useful later useless, is not hurting ?

it's entirely useless if I get lynched w/o revealing it
it's probably useless if I out it day1
it's probably useful if revealed day2 or beyond
I doubt I'm a NK target at this point

This is uncomfortably cryptic.

[Alchemist21]

I feel better sheeping an Alisae TW hydra than just sheeping Alisae even though I know I'm just sheeping Alisae rn

You’re just biased because you’re both ducks.

[Alchemist21]

{cheekybeaky, boon}
{mastina, elsa, panzer}
{onyx, 4t, flips}
{tet}
{titus, cw, cafe, shiro}
{jjh, skyg, furret, pb}
{alch}

with furret the thing is happening where they are power playing the game and everyone except me is tr them and im hoping it dies at night
but it probably wont
they never do :c

Explain your reads on Cheeky, Panzer, and all 5 names below the Titus-Shiro bracket.

[Alchemist21]

find it hard to see panzer as scum (a bunch of people seem to think this?)
if so i'd expect his role to be basically what he claimed with the miller inverted, ie starts as gf and loses that ability at some point
sounds like an op role for scum

This is what he said about you. Doesn’t really explain why he’s Townreading you.

[Alchemist21]

find it hard to see panzer as scum (a bunch of people seem to think this?)
if so i'd expect his role to be basically what he claimed with the miller inverted, ie starts as gf and loses that ability at some point
sounds like an op role for scum

This is what he said about you. Doesn’t really explain why he’s Townreading you.

it does tho
if he plucked all that stuff out his ass then that's a hell of a gambit

are the other names in there because you want to know why i sr you whilst sounding like youre also interested in other things?

cheeky - i'll explain later
jjh - decent start but more recent posting hasnt been good, including a specific post that pinged that i already mentioned
skyg - i get the sense not concerned about things here, but as things stand she has done nothing and until such a time that she turns of her town mode im not going to tr her
furret - feels more interested in controlling the game the solving the game. some comments have appeared contradictory, including one shiro mentioned earlier that i felt was a good point
pb - feels underwhelming compared to what ive seen of him as town
you - everytime ive played with you and you were town its been like really obvious to me. youve also always engaged with me. this was your first time trying to engage me in 75 pages and its still just a one liner question that i cant say sounds like it was asked with genuine interest. you really arent doing anything in this game rn. im open to reassessing if you give me a reason to.

I asked about your stronger reads because I haven’t seen any depth to your reads and I’m interested in why you’re putting cheeky on the same level as you and Flavor, and panzer on the same level as the other Mason claims.

Even these explanations are poor. Half your reads are just calling people underwhelming compared to what you’ve seen before. The only scumread with any depth is the Furret read, and if you feel like they’re trying to control the gamestate then why haven’t you called them out on it or tried to stop it?

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist keeps playing his scum game which is very similar to his powerful PR game but it's not exactly the same, and yes, you should listen to me about this.

Explain the difference you think is there. You don’t get to make a claim like this and not back it up.

[Alchemist21]

1. i just did
2. its day 1

Don’t give me that crap. You didn’t call them on it until

I made you explain the read.

You perfectly fine letting them continue doing what they were doing despite you thinking it was scummy.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist keeps playing his scum game which is very similar to his powerful PR game but it's not exactly the same, and yes, you should listen to me about this.

Explain the difference you think is there. You don’t get to make a claim like this and not back it up.

Technically he can make a claim like that and not back it up cuz people don’t want to pressure the slot for some reason?

I mean... I agree with PB here. Especially recently this has felt like Alchemist later game PR play and not his early game town play. Which sounds contradictory but as a town PR he wouldn't show his hand this way. If that makes sense.

You’re assuming I’m confirming or denying anything about my role and not calling a bs meta statement for what it is.

[Alchemist21]

Shiro and Alchemist are mislynch bait that people don’t seem to realize are mislynch bait.

That’s the first time anyone has described me as such. You can check my game history, I don’t go down early very often.

[Alchemist21]

That said I do acknowledge that, at least once upon a time, people who didn’t know me would scumread me early on for my playstyle.

[Alchemist21]

So what do you think of them for this game then?

Same. I’m not scum reading either of them, and generally they’re the type of players that ping me when they are scum.

Usually I feel like I’m generally the only one to scum read them.

In Musicals this happened with Alchemist, where he was the last scum standing, and while I wasn’t confident 100% there, every day prior since the first Day, I had called him out as scum. I still correctly lynched him in 4p mylo.

And then he got pushed in Overkill 2, to a mislynch, if I remember correctly? And I thought he was hard town there.

Maybe he was night killed.

Shiro I successfully called out as town when they got pushed in Starcraft 3, but I had killer reads that game

I was Night Killed in Overkill 2 because I had claimed Tracker.

[Alchemist21]

Shiro and Alchemist are mislynch bait that people don’t seem to realize are mislynch bait.

This is for them as players, not specifically this game.

ok but in this game alch is scum
also check what i said in the pt pls

You, Tet, and Pink Ball are all players I’m familiar with, so it just makes me feel like Tet is scum and Pink Ball is seducing <chainsawing, but instead of attacking said player, you flatter them up> me.

One of them are likely scum, but I’m obviously going to get pocketed by both of them even if I am aware it’s happening.

They’re later in game lynches.

Join me on Tet then.

[Alchemist21]

Ah. That makes sense. Idk. I’ve always seen you die early, I guess. I feel like scum you doesn’t get ran up early.

I tried getting you ran up, and you just didn’t. In Musicals

You saw me in Starcraft 2. I never got ran up and even survived for a Night after claiming Gunsmith.

[Alchemist21]

I really love how much confidence Flavor Leaf has on himself. Like, it's something we all should learn to do: respect and love ourselves, for it's the only way to really get to love someone else.

Good job, Flavor Leaf!

It’s not just himself; I don’t think I’ve ever seen him spite anyone.

[Alchemist21]

wait
is alch's wagon composed of all people who are saying that alch is scum via meta?

I'm genuninely asking I'm not saying its a bad thing tbh its probably a good thing because if a bunch of people are scumreading alch for his meta, the more people who are scumreading him for his meta, the more likely it is to be right?

There’s a very small list of people I trust to accurately meta read me and none of them are in this game. Skygazer, as scum, tried to use meta arguments in a game we just finished together, so it’s something I see scum could try to push if I’m having a lackluster game. I’ve had low-impact games as Town and people trying to say I’m only low-impact as scum don’t know what they’re talking about.

So Sky and Pink are 2 here who should know better than to make meta arguments. Sky for the reason I just said. Pink has seen me, as scum, be active and have 90% of the Town pocketed on D1 and he should know scum me would have done a lot more for my own sake a lot sooner in this game.

[Alchemist21]

ik its not me that suddenly grew this wagon from 4 votes to 7 votes
but it still feels good ngl

If you’re Town it shouldn’t feel good that 2 others suddenly followed you. There’s at least 1 scum in the 3 of you.

[Alchemist21]

@alch: because i pushed a bs meta read on you as scum once i should know better than to push an actual meta read?? um??

You should know it’s possible for scum to try pushing a bs meta read and therefore it’s not a sound reason to push me. It was wrong meta then and it’s wrong meta now.

[Alchemist21]

@Alch I actually made an experiment our last game and the results where different, that's why I'm calling you scum, not just meta

This is absolute bullshit.

[Alchemist21]

I was scum in a game with town!Alch once but I remember almost nothing because I hardly played that game

I think I corrected him on the details of his role pm and mechanically conftowned myself as scum with a mechanical thing nobody could be reasonably expected to anticipate

We were scum together in Krazy’s SC2 game where you claimed Bulletproof and got counterclaimed and lynched.

[Alchemist21]

@Alch I actually made an experiment our last game and the results where different, that's why I'm calling you scum, not just meta

This is absolute bullshit.

You're not gonna even ask what the experiment was? Awwww man

No. You would have already explained it if it were true.

[Alchemist21]

Tet, Cheeky, Pink, Skygazer

My best bet on the scumteam right now.

[Alchemist21]

thats 4 town in your scumteam

Explain how any of them are Town.

[Alchemist21]

Explain to me the skygazer read. Because you just explained how meta reading you backfired on scumgazer before.

It didn’t really backfire on her. She half-backtracked on it but maintained the read and then the issue just fell off everyone’s radar.

The point is she should know that scum can make the bs meta argument that’s being made about me now and they shouldn’t be trusted, but instead of going against the crowd to say “hey here’s a time scum tried to push Town alch for his scum meta” she just followed the others saying it.

There are a few like xtoxm who I don’t expect to know better but Sky does.

[Alchemist21]

Basically Panzer, I told people to vote it
so they voted it

And you voted it because other people told you to.

And all this sheeping doesn’t bother you?

[Alchemist21]

Why not? This is an easy wagon for scum to join.

[Alchemist21]

But you think I'm scum and I didn't join the wagon, I started it

So what? There’s more than 1 scum, and if you’re scum you’re admitting that this is a scum-driven wagon.

VOTE: Pink Ball

[Alchemist21]

Explain to me the skygazer read. Because you just explained how meta reading you backfired on scumgazer before.

It didn’t really backfire on her. She half-backtracked on it but maintained the read and then the issue just fell off everyone’s radar.

The point is she should know that scum can make the bs meta argument that’s being made about me now and they shouldn’t be trusted, but instead of going against the crowd to say “hey here’s a time scum tried to push Town alch for his scum meta” she just followed the others saying it.

There are a few like xtoxm who I don’t expect to know better but Sky does.

You're saying she's used the tactic before and it failed but she doesn't mind letting the scumteam push it knowing it probably wouldn't work.

It didn’t really fail though.

[Alchemist21]

@alch why has it taken you so long to do anything
i did try to interact with you earlier and you just seemed to lash out at me and vaguely call me scum but not really which firmed up my read on you

at any rate you might consider claiming its l-2 and we're near to deadline

I’ve said it before - when this game started I was more interested in Dauntless.

And what most people

don’t

realize about me is that if I’m not engaged at the start it’s hard for me to get engaged, and if I start engaged and it falls off it stays low after that. Fallout Mafia is a perfect example of this. It’s a Town game where I was active until I took a V/LA for my cousin’s wedding and then after that I fell off.

I could also point to a number of games in my past where I had low involvement as Town. You Could be Anyone IV is the first that comes to mind.

Part of me wants to claim to avoid running out of time but the other part of me doesn’t want to give up a claim to this bullshit. If I thought this wagon on me had more legitimacy I might just go ahead and do it.

[Alchemist21]

Like, I really don't want to be wrong on you but I think I'm right, and you going for the "bULlShiT mEtA" argument to scumread me it's not really good and it's not giving me the space to reevaluate my read 'cause you're not asking me why I'm scumreading you, you're just OMGUSing.

I DID ASK YOU

You said there’s a difference between my PR game and my scum game and I told you to explain the difference. And why do I

need

to ask you for reasons you should have already explained to start with? This why I don’t se you as Town, because you keep putting the ONUS on me to engage with you but you’ve done nothing to meet me halfway; you’re just part of the crowd saying “alch scum” without substantiating your claims.

If you were Town you would step into my shoes and look at my side of things you would realize why I’m so damn frustrated.

[Alchemist21]

What actually makes a wagon legitimate anyway

A case that’s stronger than “meta because I said so” or Cheeky’s OMGUS or Cafe’s “twisted facts” statement that they couldn’t back up.

Nobody has actually explained anything. It’s all been “Alch is scum because I said so.” What the fuck am I supposed to do? Nobody but me seems interested in holding people accountable for actually being on my wagon.

[Alchemist21]

I think I like Cafe for Town.

Ok, let's get started then.

VOTE: Alchemist

Skimmed the past ~10 pages. Gonna sheep Mastina on this one.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

@Pink, your vote was in the ~10 page skim so yeah I missed it.

[Alchemist21]

'Cause I think Panzer has a point on how your wagon formed

Rush or not I just can’t see how there’s not scum on my wagon. The sudden pile-on of votes should definitely be a red flag to people.

[Alchemist21]

'Cause I think Panzer has a point on how your wagon formed

Rush or not I just can’t see how there’s not scum on my wagon. The sudden pile-on of votes should definitely be a red flag to people.

I don't know why you're pushing it as a red flag when its deadline

Scum can do deadline rushes too, but I get your point. Should I just claim or wait until 24 hours left?

[Alchemist21]

Playing Dauntless.

[Alchemist21]

How is waiting one more day toxic? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[Alchemist21]

I consider something toxic when it’s harmful to someone on a personal level. But whatever.

I’m Krillin

Power level: 2,000

I have Senzu beans (not gonna say how many). If someone’s power level drops below their starting value for any reason I can give them a Senzu bean to restore it to the starting value.

[Alchemist21]

actually alch does ur role pm explain the power level mechanic any further?

No.

[Alchemist21]

tangentially related: alch's role sounds like a town role based on my info?? granted scum have fakeclaims but

Uh, really?

part of my info has the implication that a role like alch's could certainly exist in this game

the other part of my info like objectively lowers his scum equity based on the claim

You should just say it if you’re gonna hint this much at it.

[Alchemist21]

Well I’m not voting TTTT. I keep thinking about it and the way he claimed is WIFOMy but I can only see it as Town WIFOM.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Skygazer

I think Pink and I just misunderstood each other last night.

[Alchemist21]

I feel like TTTT was trying to either avoid or bait a NK based on how he claimed. Sky’s claim came right after mine and I can see it as her way of trying to look good while backing off my wagon.

[Alchemist21]

Did it with 0 pressure too

She did it right after my claim and her supposed info conveniently had implications for my claim. She even acknowledged the possibility of scum fakeclaims so why wasn’t she more skeptical, especially right after being one of the voices pushing me so much?

This is almost exactly how it happened last time - she pushed me on bad meta then backed off and tried to buddy me when I engaged her on it.

[Alchemist21]

Trying to back up my claim with a vague one of her own seems like buddying to me.

[Alchemist21]

But why do scum do that

To look good.

[Alchemist21]

I don't like a skygazer wagon because it's titus the only one titus likes.

Flippy wagon probably won’t happen and he’s a slot that’s better resolved by PRs. Who else would you wagon?

[Alchemist21]

How well did this work out last time?

Well enough to get to 3-p lylo. Our incident got overshadowed by other things pretty quickly.

[Alchemist21]

Yes.

Also chaos is significantly less scummy than flippynips

Flippy's pocketed me.

Panzer, your survivalist nature is starting to show.

How is he being survivalist?

[Alchemist21]

You know, that whole thing requires you to believe in both the claim and that he'd play suboptimally with it but w/e

Like if you believe all that then it logically follows that he's town

*shakes head* He's either a scum venge, a town venge that will hurt town, or a lying sack of shit.

Sounds like you just want a policy lynch.

[Alchemist21]

You know, that whole thing requires you to believe in both the claim and that he'd play suboptimally with it but w/e

Like if you believe all that then it logically follows that he's town

*shakes head* He's either a scum venge, a town venge that will hurt town, or a lying sack of shit.

Sounds like you just want a policy lynch.

Did you not see the part where I said we can't lynch Panzer?

Then why is this an issue to you? Why keep pushing him or care that he’s pushing you if you could simply deal with him at Night?

[Alchemist21]

Ok, I never realized TTTT voted me

VOTE: TTTT

Why was this realization what pulled your vote to TTTT?

[Alchemist21]

Because idk what part of claiming PR refresher said town to everyone instead of potential to rolefish but eh. I think him pushing the attention to sky was scum indicative for Alch specifically as well. The frustration with pink is all fine and well, and could be town but summing it up as the two just had a misunderstanding and going separate ways doesn't really sit well with me.

But maybe I'm just being stubborn.

How the hell do you get “potential to rolefish” from my claim?

[Alchemist21]

Nobody needs to claim for my sake unless their power level gets reduced, and I doubt that’s happened to anyone yet.

[Alchemist21]

Ok, I never realized TTTT voted me

VOTE: TTTT

Why was this realization what pulled your vote to TTTT?

It's more like, it made him a suitable lynch. He played with me as scum, jumping on my wagon without doubting is weird coming from him.

Maybe he was waiting for you to engage him about it.

[Alchemist21]

Alch is it over 9000!?

[Alchemist21]

No, bad Wooper!

Vote Skygazer instead.

[Alchemist21]

Furret has no idea whats going on so Furret told Wooper to play the game for Furret for the rest of the day.
Also if anyone wants to tell me whats going on, please do so.

Are you aware of the claims?

Ftr Skygazer is probably town and Alch's justification of Skygazer scum when he says TTTT is town is shit

Incorrect.

[Alchemist21]

All these wagons suck

I want to sheep wooper tho.

How do we get info on TTTT wagon from alch flip?

You think the wagons suck bit you’ll just sheep someone who doesn’t know what’s going on?

[Alchemist21]

Who is Bill?

[Alchemist21]

By my count I had 8 votes on TTTT right before Tet voted so it should be L-1.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Titus

I wasn’t sure on Titus yesterday but the past few pages make me pretty sure this is scum Titus.

Shiro is Town though.

[Alchemist21]

I’ve always based my read on you by whether or not you were making arguments that made sense and I could see where you were coming from. D1 I mostly saw you being more obsessed with wagons and then a bit of pushing Panzer. Today, that whole NK thing where you tried to say there should be more than 1 partly because a vengeful exists didn’t make sense.

[Alchemist21]

HAHAHAHAHA XD THAT KILLED ME FOR SOME STUPID REASON XD

Because it was cursed.

[Alchemist21]

anyways tw i've already claimed informed

You know who else claimed informed?

Spoiler:

[Alchemist21]

Pink Ball may have actually gotten hit with a post restriction. All his posts today have been Haunter gifs.

[Alchemist21]

why are people not voting for skygazer
this is literally a free scum flip y'all crazzy

I could still vote there. Titus just had my more immediate attention.

[Alchemist21]

@Mod and everyone:

I'm sorry but my dog just died and I need awhile to myself. I'm taking the next 24-48 hours off while I mourn her.

I’m sorry for your loss.

[Alchemist21]

Nah he’s made some posts. He can talk.

[Alchemist21]

To be fair, I’m not sure this mod is sane. We had lynchproof scum in the last game.

[Alchemist21]

Don’t worry, Krazy, I still love you though. <3

[Alchemist21]

Emperor is town

A bold claim. How is he Town?

[Alchemist21]

Emperor is town

A bold claim. How is he Town?

Not a bold claim. I'm like 75% sure too.

Yeah but you’re scum.

[Alchemist21]

Xtoxm, Alchemist you know titus claimed vig right? Why are you voting a self resolving slot?

Because I just don’t believe the claim and I’m pretty sure this is scum Titus. Why does Town Titus announce a delayed vig shot if they really have one? Seems more likely to me she would have a delayed scum power and she wants to be left off the table at least long enough to be able to use it.

After all the things I’ve seen in Krazy games I’m not big on the idea of waiting for a slot to resolve itself.

[Alchemist21]

Who's your bottom 4 jjh?

Alch and Cafe are the only hard scum. Then Panzer I guess? I don't really have a 4th spot because right now it'd just be occupied by some lurker and I don't want people mistaking that for a scumread I'm willing to compromise on

Where exactly does your strong scumread on me come from? You seemed unsure until you voted then suddenly you became certain I was scum. What happened?

[Alchemist21]

Who's your bottom 4 jjh?

Alch and Cafe are the only hard scum. Then Panzer I guess? I don't really have a 4th spot because right now it'd just be occupied by some lurker and I don't want people mistaking that for a scumread I'm willing to compromise on

Where exactly does your strong scumread on me come from? You seemed unsure until you voted then suddenly you became certain I was scum. What happened?

About to eat, so in brief:

I was unsure because of wagons
I became more sure again because of other wagon(s)
I became totally sure because of your reaction to being pushed and your contradictory push on Skygazer but refusal to join your main counterwagon on TTTT

Why do you think scum me would push sky over TTTT?

[Alchemist21]

What was the case on chaos wind again?

[Alchemist21]

Creature’s been obvTown since the first flurry of posts back when they were still in the hydra.

[Alchemist21]

Meanwhile jjh thinks Alch and us are wolves together and me sussing the both of jjh and alch is just an ineffective effort at distancing
But I've been on Alchemist's ass most of the day 1 until he claimed??
On top of that my suspicion with the two literally read like "One or the other, and chaos wind is probably a wolf too" based on VCA which yeah is very preemptive given a lack of flips on wagons but
it's just not putting them in a team together like he says

On the other hand he scumreads Panzer
which is just like
Panzer has been playing anti-town at moments like these threats to shoot X or Y
But its like, we all know that playing anti-town doesn't mean scum
And it's common for scum to put players who are playing anti-town into scumreads because it's like, not wrong, they haven't been appearing to be benefiting the town

- Hideri

I don’t really get how this = jjh scum.

[Alchemist21]

Guys they make spicy gushers now and I don’t know why.

[Alchemist21]

PSA: Vote Titus.

[Alchemist21]

too much town doing nothing so scum are doing nothing too

Join me on Titus?

I could switch to Sky too but I’d rather wait for a replacement (if one ever comes).

[Alchemist21]

Scum are scared of my impending grand entrance

You’re FlavorLeaf. It’s your job to spice up this game.

A Titus vote is a good way to start.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Sky

[Alchemist21]

The deadline is frozen unless a replacement is found, and it doesn’t seem like anyone is interested in replacing the slot.

[Alchemist21]

Just me an nobody else?

I even said earlier, before we were faced with a frozen deadline, that I could switch to Sky.

[Alchemist21]

Yeah you might be.

[Alchemist21]

Well this just got interesting.

[Alchemist21]

His role seems different enough from mine to be plausible. I don’t like the self-vote but I don’t think scum does that here.

There’s still a Day left. Can’t we lynch someone else?

[Alchemist21]

Oh shit here it comes.

[Alchemist21]

I would have advised any buddy against putting themselves at L-1 with you in the game.

[Alchemist21]

Wait gamma what information do you have?

In general or specific about something?

Sky said she was Informed and it had implications for my claim.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Alchemist21]

I assumed wifom. Ki powered fists sounds like a krillin kill btw.

That assumes:

A) I’m the only character who uses ki (I don’t know if ki is something exclusive to DBZ).

B) I would claim a character that matches my kill flavor.

[Alchemist21]

Ki is just another word for the spiritual energy you see in DBZ.

[Alchemist21]

And like I said, it might be called that in other series too. Bleach has basically the same thing but they call it Reishi.

[Alchemist21]

Excuse me, why the fuck did I catch two naked votes already?

Blame Skygazer.

[Alchemist21]

Excuse me, why the fuck did I catch two naked votes already?

Blame Skygazer.

BULLSHIT
I was told Skygazer wasn't that scummy

By who? The mod?

[Alchemist21]

I do find it interesting that Alch was iirc pressed by SkyG on his claim and Alch is bearing down on that slot rn

No, she backed off after I claimed because she said her info kinda validated it but wouldn’t say anything more than that.

[Alchemist21]

I do find it interesting that Alch was iirc pressed by SkyG on his claim and Alch is bearing down on that slot rn

No, she backed off after I claimed because she said her info kinda validated it but wouldn’t say anything more than that.

Okay
What was your claim btw?

I consider something toxic when it’s harmful to someone on a personal level. But whatever.

I’m Krillin

Power level: 2,000

I have Senzu beans (not gonna say how many). If someone’s power level drops below their starting value for any reason I can give them a Senzu bean to restore it to the starting value.

[Alchemist21]

I assumed wifom. Ki powered fists sounds like a krillin kill btw.

That assumes:

A) I’m the only character who uses ki (I don’t know if ki is something exclusive to DBZ).

B) I would claim a character that matches my kill flavor.

Oh how much roleclaim have we gone through?

There’s me, sky claiming Informed, the mason claims, and the miller claims.

[Alchemist21]

I don't see how that relates to my info actually but w/e

Yeah, like I said, I figured she was lying.

[Alchemist21]

I don't see how that relates to my info actually but w/e

Yeah, like I said, I figured she was lying.

And I'd admit to that if I was scum why?

Didn’t say you were admitting it. It’s an interesting take-back on something that was never hard-claimed to is though.

[Alchemist21]

Not even sure at this point; the game’s kinda slogged on. I would say look at all the lynch wagons and the votes on them, and my wagon as well since it grew to a significant size.

[Alchemist21]

GOOD VOTE!!!

TERRIBLE VOTE!!!

[Alchemist21]

GOOD VOTE!!!

TERRIBLE VOTE!!!

WHY???

BECAUSE I’M TOWN!!!

[Alchemist21]

Who are your townreads xtoxm?

well, alchemist is and it looks like he's the next popular lynch candidate
if i were to list them all, something like this:
Creature
mastina
Tet
Elsa Jay
Flavor Leaf
CheekyTeeky
Alchemist21
Emperor flippyNips

i would like to see mast or elsa die sooner or later but i guess i still tr them

Talk to me about Tet.

[Alchemist21]

How?

I ask because now I know he’s RCE and his posts always come off scummy to me so I want to know how to actually read him.

[Alchemist21]

I thought you had more first-hand experience. I’ll ask someone more familiar with him.

[Alchemist21]

I’m Gon from HxH. I steal people’s badges. He was 44, so I guess everyone’s assigned a random number, but 44 is Third Party.

That’s also Hisoka’s badge #.

I don’t know anything about this badge mechanic you’re claiming. Are any numbers other than 44 significant?

[Alchemist21]

I mean I can see Panzer being 3rd party but I’d prioritize actual scum over that. At the very least Panzer was one of the most reasonable people on D1 and it doesn’t feel like he’s been anti-Town.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Panzer

I’m essentially an FBI agent.

Third party here.

So why should I care about any of the? SK was lynched D1

What was this pop-in though? Last night it looked like Gamma went to reread stuff then today they just come in with this.

At least tell us where you’re at with the reread or if you’re not even doing a re-read or what.

[Alchemist21]

Pretty sure you’re wrong.

[Alchemist21]

Flavor Leaf probably knows Tet well enough for a good meta read.

VOTE: Tet

[Alchemist21]

Cheeky did you check anyone else? What was the result?

[Alchemist21]

Furret and Wooper are town.

Why’d you check them? They’re kinda obvTown.

[Alchemist21]

So FL, you're not gonna claim to be hit with any night actions from N1?

Btw, was this a claim?

[Alchemist21]

I mean it wasn’t a Demon Bullet was it? Because I got one of those N1. It didn’t say what it did so I just ignored it until it became relevant.

[Alchemist21]

Ok, I believe Cheeky's claim since I would've checked Furret on N2 too, makes sense from a cop perspective.

I'm a little tired of carrying this game so I'm going to politely ask you guys to follow me on this, no questions asked.

VOTE: Alchemist21

I have a question.

Is mayonnaise an instrument?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: tet

The reason i can't be sure that you're full of shit is cause this game has weird stuff going on, but certainly got fake badged

Oh, you can be sure. I am full of shit. But I am town that’s full of shit.

Amazing post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10 POINTS!

To which House?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

VOTE: alchemist

What’s with the votes here? Both just came out of nowhere.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I’ll trust the innocent unless Panzer says he’s the Demon Bullet guy because if that’s the case then there was something out there that screwed with at least 1 Night action.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, claim

I claimed on D1.

[Alchemist21]

Yeah I’m the senzu bean guy.

It ain’t much but at least it’s better than Yamcha.

[Alchemist21]

Yeah I’m the senzu bean guy.

It ain’t much but at least it’s better than Yamcha.

...

You picked him -.-

I’m memeing. Read that post again in DBZ Abridged Krillin’s voice and it’ll make sense.

[Alchemist21]

Ok, I believe Cheeky's claim since I would've checked Furret on N2 too, makes sense from a cop perspective.

I'm a little tired of carrying this game so I'm going to politely ask you guys to follow me on this, no questions asked.

VOTE: Alchemist21

I have a question.

Is mayonnaise an instrument?

lol this in krillin’s voice

[Alchemist21]

Yeah I’m the senzu bean guy.

It ain’t much but at least it’s better than Yamcha.

...

You picked him -.-

I’m memeing. Read that post again in DBZ Abridged Krillin’s voice and it’ll make sense.

So who would be little green in this game?

Gamma I guess since emeralds are green.

[Alchemist21]

Wait a minute, alchemist claimed krillin?

Yes. Why have 2 people who were around on D1 come in here completely oblivious to my claim?

[Alchemist21]

Why are we lynching Alchemist?

He your partner, dummy

What makes you think Creature is scum?

[Alchemist21]

You still haven’t said what this theory is. You’re asking people to sheep you on something that’s assuredly wrong.

[Alchemist21]

Em, why is it assuredly wrong?

Because if the theory says I’m scum or hinges on me being scum then I already know it’s wrong. I would criticize more specifically but you never said what the theory even is so yeah.

[Alchemist21]

Why should I believe the Creature part of your theory is correct?

And I get the ego part.

[Alchemist21]

If you know me that well you should also know I would never use any fakeclaim Krazy gave me. Remember how jj’s fakeclaim was BP and then he got counterclaimed by a real BP?

[Alchemist21]

You’re also assuming no protectives exist and idk why you’re making that assumption.

[Alchemist21]

If you know me that well you should also know I would never use any fakeclaim Krazy gave me. Remember how jj’s fakeclaim was BP and then he got counterclaimed by a real BP?

When did jj fake claim BP?

He’s also in my lynch pool. Tho I don’t feel too strong about him

Another game, Starcraft 2. Scumteam was Pink Ball, JJ, and me.

[Alchemist21]

You keep saying I could do this or I could do that. Your read on me seems to be built on “what if” not “what is.”

[Alchemist21]

Like, Pink, make a case on me that doesn’t involve my claim or N1 shenanigans. Point to my actual posts that are scummy to you.

[Alchemist21]

Because the case involving N1 is weak. N1 kills are the one of the biggest WIFOM things in any game and building a case on that is asking for trouble. Why do you think it’s a solid case?

[Alchemist21]

said "I think Pink Ball and I had a misunderstanding

Why does that make me scum? If I realize there was an error in communication between us then why wouldn’t I back off there?

[Alchemist21]

I haven't called it a solid case, I've been calling it a theory since the begining. Very different, if you ask me. I don't have a solid case on anyone, but I have a nice theory that I want to check. Makes sense?

You can call it what you want but it’s what you’re pushing so I’m gonna call it like I see it.

[Alchemist21]

I know what you're doing, by the way. You're proving that my "case" is not good enough so people won't follow me. I would do the same, 'cause you're right.

I’m proving it’s not good enough because I know it’s wrong. Do you think scum me defends against this while Town me just concedes?

[Alchemist21]

said "I think Pink Ball and I had a misunderstanding

Why does that make me scum? If I realize there was an error in communication between us then why wouldn’t I back off there?

'Cause I felt you overreacted in the first place and then called it a misunderstanding to make it look like both were in the wrong, therefore making my case on you wrong. It's like a subconscious thing to do.

If we’re both Town then yeah we were both in the wrong, and by this point I am sure you’re Town.

[Alchemist21]

when people say "your case isn't good" instead of "your case is wrong" or "you're wrong"
it's typically scum
js

- Hideri

I’m saying both. Where does that put me?

[Alchemist21]

Like "you're wrong about me but could be right about being the designated nightkill. If you were right, I think jjh could be a better suspect 'cause you were calling him obvtown and that would give him an alibi", or something like that.

Except I’m not going to deflect and push someone based on the lack of a Nightkill.

[Alchemist21]

I know what you're doing, by the way. You're proving that my "case" is not good enough so people won't follow me. I would do the same, 'cause you're right.

I’m proving it’s not good enough because I know it’s wrong. Do you think scum me defends against this while Town me just concedes?

I think town!you works with me with the other parts of my theory instead of focusing on yourself.

I’m not going to focus on the lack of a NK because there’s too much WIFOM there.

[Alchemist21]

Aren't we playing a Upick? Like...flavour doesn't suggest alignment or whatever

This is true, flavor doesn’t affect Alignment. It just affects abilities.

[Alchemist21]

I could go for jjh too tbh. I don’t remember anything from him besides a weak tunnel on me. Idk what else he’s done to try and solve the game.

[Alchemist21]

Should I be worried that Nips is going with my scumreads while voting me lmao

He unvoted though.

[Alchemist21]

That assumes:
A) I’m the only character who uses ki (I don’t know if ki is something exclusive to DBZ).
B) I would claim a character that matches my kill flavor.

And why, pray tell, are those assumptions bad?

Because DBZ is popular and because I’m smarter than that.

[Alchemist21]

Why is Mastina trying to lynch a claimed Cop?

[Alchemist21]

So yeah if everyone could just come over to Gamma Emerald that’d be great.

[Alchemist21]

That already happened other game. Even my mason partner deemed dead!me non-trustworthy and proceeded to lynch a townclear over him.

My condolences.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: JJH

[Alchemist21]

I would lynch Gamma over alchemist tbh

Vote:Gamma

Sadly cafe is not going anywhere.

lets do it

If we can go back on Gamma I’m there.

[Alchemist21]

Why is Mastina trying to lynch a claimed Cop?

Because role != alignment and CheekyTeeky I'm quite certain pulled a move she absolutely would never pull as town, so fuck whatever she claimed she's still scum.

Also you're defending her and you're caught scum, so.

What’s the move?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: alch
jk
no we lynch this
seriously
this meme of not lynching alch NEEDS TO DIE

Memes don’t die. They just lurk in the shadows until they become retro.