Krazy's Anime Upick (Game Over)

[mastina]

"Oh yeah Mod wants me to sign"
Proceeds to sign with a C which you both start with instead of as a character.

Conftown levels of Town.

I have a dream that I know is just
-Clemency

sup

Town.

Go

Town?

VOTE: Alisae
If you're the real Alisae, then when was the last time we were in a game together

Scum?

[mastina]

Hey so I'm actually pretty hyped for this game

So am I!
My hype looks to be a different alignment than yours tho.
VOTE: jjh

[mastina]

What makes Elsa Jay conftown to you

Because I have a N0 cop inno on her, obv.

Also we've played together before so I'm not sure what your angle is here

Because we've played together before.

[mastina]

19 players huh
probably a beefy scum team of size 4

Krazy's scumteam size is...shall we say...inconsistent.

A 15-player game could have a 3-man scumteam or a 4-man scumteam or even a 5-man scumteam or rather something like 9:4:1:1.

General balance standard for 19 players is four-man.
I'd err on the side of caution for five, with potential shenanigans for a sixth not-full-scum-but-partial-scum player.

So basically to be fully cautious, treat the game as if it had six scum.

It won't.

But treat it that way just in case.

[mastina]

VOTE: Mastina I agree with all of these reads but I don't like the way they were said.

If you agree with the scumread on jjh, then help me bus him.

[mastina]

Retract your inno check and make it a n0 red on jjh then.

Sorry but that'd imply Elsa isn't town when she absolutely is.

[mastina]

For fucks sake I want to tell my role 'cause I BET it's the fucking best of all.

I KNOW RITE???
Krazy gave me literally the perfect role.

jjh is posting, ergo, town. I'm an intellectual, you know. I used ergo once.

Fuck you, Pink Ball; I wanted to keep my vote on jjh and pressure him as part of the rvs but I can't anymore because you dropped the truth bomb I already knew.

VOTE: Alisae

[mastina]

jjh is posting, ergo, town. I'm an intellectual, you know. I used ergo once.

Fuck you, Pink Ball; I wanted to keep my vote on jjh and pressure him as part of the rvs but I can't anymore because you dropped the truth bomb I already knew.

VOTE: Alisae

Like.
I was about to make a readslist which had him at the bottom, in spite of secretly having a true readslist where he was at the top.

You ruined it.

[mastina]

Speaking of that readslist by the way...

Elsa Jay
Brock and Onyx
jjh927
Tet
Xtoxm
Flavor Leaf
TTTT
Pink Ball
Gamma Emerald
Chaos Wind
Shiro
Alchemist21
CheekyTeeky
Cafe Stile
Emperor flippyNips
Panzerjager
Titus
Alisae

There ya go.

[mastina]

I trust your Elsa Jay read about as much as I trusted your Yume read last time

Probably not a bad idea; we were, after all, the same alignment last time.
Only this game it's both town rather than both scum.

[mastina]

If you're IC and you're trolly clap your hands.

[mastina]

If you're IC and you're trolly clap your hands.

(Couldn't find one from my anime, unfortunately. Probably exists, but wasn't findable with a quick google search. FMA will be more than sufficient to make up for it tho.)

[mastina]

Also I support the use of anime gifs from post-2001

Well if I used one from pre-2000, it'd be seen as a breadcrumb but while I do want to breadcrumb, I don't want to FAKE breadcrumb, so.

[mastina]

Just claim straight up like I did.

Tempting, but far less fun.
Here's a hint tho:

[mastina]

p-edit:
VOTE: Alisae

Roses are pink,
Violence is you,
So why'd you think
To vote Ali, too?

[mastina]

Rip mustang.

He didn't die tho?

Unless you mean his ambitious goal which he kinda had to give up after he was

blindsided

by a certain issue...

[mastina]

wow very cool mastina

Wouldn't surprise me if you actually legit did get the hint's meaning.

[mastina]

Btw for anyone who wants to narrow shit down I didn't get my yugioh pick

I got my first pick for the record.

[mastina]

Mustang, have you seen FMA?

Brotherhood, yeah. The original anime, I saw the first half and a couple of the movies.

Pretty much the same.

[mastina]

tbh I kinda now just realized I misplayed with my pick but meh it'll be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

The only misplay in a pick is not making one.

[mastina]

Mustang, have you seen FMA?

Brotherhood, yeah. The original anime, I saw the first half and a couple of the movies.

Pretty much the same.

Not true. The anime branched off from the plot of the manga about where I haven’t seen the original. The original also had filler like the Officer, the gentleman, and the mystery of warehouse 13.

No, I meant, my experience is pretty much the same as yours.

[mastina]

Something trolly would have been fun. Like Vash the fruit vendor.

Best troll is to pick all from the same anime and not give the mod any choice in variety.

[mastina]

Something trolly would have been fun. Like Vash the fruit vendor.

Best troll is to pick all from the same anime and not give the mod any choice in variety.

Oof, evil.

My speciality.

[mastina]

ima just say right now that I forgot that I could send in the one and the only. the legendry. Blue-Eyes White Dragon.
Shame
what a shame.

Could have been Exodia. Smh

I ALMOST quoted Ali on this with the obvious.
Almost.

OH WELL.

[mastina]

(Yu-Gi-Oh! was not what I picked from.)

[mastina]

I feel like if someone picked dark magician I'd have a different role rn

Funny, I feel like if I picked something else, or someone else picked something else, I'd have a different role right now, too.

[mastina]

OMG ITS A TITUS!

OMG IT'S AN ALISAE!

OMG IT'S A SCUMTEAM

[mastina]

Been playing Dauntless with my friend tonight.

I just exitted that game

Why is it that everyone else who says that doesn't seem to mean it and I'm the only one who really truly means it?

[mastina]

Btw mastina I swear I’m town this time!

I'd say the thought never crossed my mind otherwise, but...

[mastina]

Yeah, I mean, I was thinking you've started the game in exactly the way I would expect if you were scum. Heh

You should vote em with me then since I thought the same.

[mastina]

So how many people do you guys think have a flavour mech other than teenage girl? I'm gonna say 5 or less.

(Oh shit he's on to us.)

[mastina]

But I'm *pretty sure* claiming now is the right call, but I'm vengeful with a time-activated miller clause. So...Hello.

I mean.
Krazy would be one to put two millers in a game, but.
While he would.
And could.

I just think Panzer's scum, sooooo.

[mastina]

You're also a yu yu hakusho character, huh?

There were three characters I considered picking from YuYuHakusho and that was one of the two animes of my childhood, but no. I actually didn't pick it, surprisingly enough.

[mastina]

I'm literally confirmable if I get investigated before and after my miller clause activates so if a miller is lying, it probably would be the one that has a role isn't confirmable.

Alternative explanation: you're a godfather who starts with the godfather power but who loses the godfather status later in the game and thus becomes susceptible to investigation.

That seems like a Krazy role to me. And the obvious thing to do with that power is to claim time-delayed miller.

[mastina]

I'm literally confirmable if I get investigated before and after my miller clause activates so if a miller is lying, it probably would be the one that has a role isn't confirmable.

Alternative explanation: you're a godfather who starts with the godfather power but who loses the godfather status later in the game and thus becomes susceptible to investigation.

Case and point: last game Krazy ran had two scum roles with mechanics that worked along these veins. The one-shot activated godfather shows that he uses godfathers (and I don't think that's the first game he's used a godfather in, tho I could be mistaken), and the evil child role "evolved" over the course of the game.

[mastina]

(Considering I have been a co-mod for Krazy games for over a year by now. Kinda sorta have a fairly good idea of what sort of shenanigans he's likely to pull. This? Right up his alley. Admittedly, yes, so too would be the role you claimed, a time-delayed miller, but that's where SCUMHUNTING comes in in deciding "time delayed miller, or godfather with an expiration date on status", and the latter is by far the one I favor.)

[mastina]

Do you honestly think I'm creative enough to create this on the spot with nothing serving as a base to build the lie around?

No but I do think that a godfather with an expiration date on their godfatherness would have a very easy way in to fakeclaiming time-delayed miller--especially if the mod helped "encourage" said claim.

[mastina]

ego

I'd like to point out--this was Panzer's first post.
Why not roleclaim here?

Maybe, just maybe, because Panzer was at the time of that post, asking the mod to craft him a fakeclaim, and it was only in his later post that he had the mod's help.

Explaining why he didn't claim it out of the gate.

[mastina]

Like who does a reads list as early as she did when like half the game hadn't posted? It's early town posturing. Her push on Ali could be SvT or SvS but not feeling TvT it's too jokey/silly.

Okay.
So I was already suspicious of CheekyTeeky's opening.

But this?

VOTE: CheekyTeeky
CheekyTeeky just became confscum with this.

You know why?

Because this isn't CheekyTeeky's first game with me.

Check out this game.
Specifically, notice something about my entrance there?
Where I went town town? scum? scum.?
And made an early readslist? When all the players in the game had not posted yet?

You know what my role that game was?

Mason.
Kinda literally the fucking opposite of being scum.

And you know what CheekyTeeky said about me then? A scumread, but absolutely nothing about it was based on the readslist.

The readslist was a nonentity in how CheekyTeeky read me.
You know why?

That game was the most pertinent/relevant game for me to link to.
But it's not the only game we've played together. This game doesn't contain an early readslist because I replaced in D2, but it

does

contain the catchup/replacement-version of my town-town?-scum?-scum post. The format's not identical because again, was catching up as a replacement, but the general idea of it is the same.
Technically there's this game too, but there were extenuating circumstances behind there which made it an abnormality from me. (Among them accidentally hammering Alisae when I was casting an RVS joke-vote unaware e had a wagon on em.)
And then these games as well.

CheekyTeeky absolutely knows better than this.

[mastina]

Uh that reminds me. Why is Elsa so quiet?

Elsa hasn't seemed quiet at all to me. Quite the opposite in fact. Loud, proud, and good to have around. <3

[mastina]

i think cheeky having the confidence to go after mastina is +town equity

Absolutely not, no. CheekyTeeky absolutely guns for me as scum.
In fact?

There's at least one game which I can't find because I was on a hydra where CheekyTeeky as scum

did precisely that

...
...And I erroneously townread her for it.

[mastina]

Mastina is cool. She can be my Sister this game if she wants. It might be our first time playing together?

Honestly not sure but I know at the very least I've read a ton of Elsa Jay games.

Enough to know Elsa's a cool big sis to me.

[mastina]

Why Alisae, and Titus, on the very bottom?

Well at the time because they were the most likely to be scum.

I've got a couple better candidates for that now.

[mastina]

SOMEONE POST SOMETHING ALREADY I’VE BEEN REFRESHING THE PAGE EVER SINCE I POSTED THAT READLIST

How I've felt the majority of this game.

[mastina]

The more you say it the less funny it gets, sadly. Come up with something elsa.

You just made my jay.

[mastina]

Or you could play into the game normally and just not care about that

Sure.
Panzer's scum without his roleclaim anyway.
There.

[mastina]

When has outguessing the mod ever worked?

When the player doing it has a good grounding to actually know what she's talking about.

[mastina]

That's townposting

Ehhh...maybe. Liiiiittle bit iffy on it, but sure, why not?

[mastina]

Excellent thank you for confirming my suspicions mastina. I predicted you would omgus me as scum.

Yeah no.
You don't get to fucking say it's OMGUS.
When your fucking reason for voting me.

Is something that you personally know is fucking wrong.
So when I call you out on it.
Damn fucking straight I have good reason to.

[mastina]

Coz I do know you well and that's watch do gurrrr.

Uh huh.
Sure you do.

You sure know me well enough to have called me fucking scum when I am a mason, yep.
And to, having seen that past mistake.
Then reuse your same fucking shade throwing as last time.

[mastina]

Lies you've never enormously townread me ever.

I've never enormously townread you, that's correct.

I have in fact

erroneously

townread you before.
Which is what I fucking said.

[mastina]

Question
Why did you read those games?

Uhhh because in each and every single one of them I was involved in some way shape or form? Like, a reviewer, backup mod, maybe possibly potentially a player on an alt (dunno, would have to check Elsa's game history to figure that one out), and sometimes I just legit am a spectator? (For instance, I skimread every Normal game at least a little, sooooooooo.)

[mastina]

Wait is mastina going to actually tr me as town????

Keep pushing my scumreads and then sure why not.
Go off of them then no.

[mastina]

I thought you'd know better than to try for my mislynch mastina. When I obvtown I look forward to the reasons for your retracted scumread. You might want to start planning that.

Yeah good luck with pushing me.

I'm never getting fucking mislynched this game--you could claim a fucking cop guilty on me and you'd end up lynched instead of me.

[mastina]

Alisae and Elsa you must resist the mastina pocket.

Yeahhhhh good luck with that.

See how well that works out for ya.

[mastina]

Why you mad? Is it coz I have the read now?

Oh you think this is mad?



THIS, my friend.

Is smugness.

Because you're caught out with a stance that is objectively something you shouldn't fucking have.
And I know for a fucking fact I'm never getting lynched this game.

[mastina]

I thought you'd know better than to try for my mislynch mastina. When I obvtown I look forward to the reasons for your retracted scumread. You might want to start planning that.

Yeah good luck with pushing me.

I'm never getting fucking mislynched this game--you could claim a fucking cop guilty on me and you'd end up lynched instead of me.

And to that.

I'll throw your own fucking words back at you, in fact:

When I

obvtown

become known as conftown I look forward to the reasons for your retracted scumread.

Slightly edited to be more accurate, butstill applies.

I look forward to you trying to fucking explain.
Backtracking like HELL.
Your inevitably necessary sudden read shift on me.

[mastina]

Tet, I know who you are.

So do I (tho I admit it doesn't make MUCH of a difference).

[mastina]

I am a Pokemon, the best one actually. If someone wants to guess WHO'S THAT POKEMON, I'll give them a town card.

Is it Kirby?

[mastina]

Wut.

I mean.
I claimed a N0 cop inno on you.

And clearly Pink Ball believes me.

Makes sense to me!

[mastina]

Elsa Jay
jjh927
Brock and Onyx
Tet
Xtoxm
Pink Ball
Emperor flippyNips
Flavor Leaf
TTTT
Skygazer
Chaos Wind
Shiro
Alchemist21
Cafe Stile
Alisae
Titus
Panzerjager
CheekyTeeky

Thereabouts.

[mastina]

(Also, legit fun fact about this game: I honestly wanted to be scum, because frankly on this playerlist it was gonna be a free win; with the exception of Creature, Pink Ball, and maybes in the form of Alisae/Titus, not a single player on this list which would in any way feel remotely like a threat to me--so I knew that if I rolled scum, it'd be a fucking stomp. BUT, Krazy gave me something EVEN BETTER than scum, so I can't complain that I didn't get it, because holy shit did I get the perfect role. <3)

[mastina]

Elsa you make me sad.

You being sad makes me glad.

[mastina]

How is Alisae so low on your list mastina?

Why not?

[mastina]

I mean come on when the fuck does that come from town.

When the player saying it speaks from a position of fucking smugness beyond all levels of smug.

When the fuck does 594 ever come from a town player?

Sure as fuck doesn't seem town to me!

[mastina]

I accept the challenge of getting you lynched.

Have fun getting yourself lynched.

[mastina]

I'll have fun flipping scum you. Your confidence is complete bs

[mastina]

Guys today is a 1v1 it's me or mastina. This is never anything except TvS.

Oh good.
You wanna lock that in 100%?

'Cause I'm fully ready for you to lock that in 100%.

[mastina]

When the fuck does 594 ever come from a town player?

you aren't town are you?

Yeah fuck off with that you know PRECISELY what I am and why I'm town.
Don't pretend you don't.

[mastina]

Locked and loaded bish!

Oh good.

I am a mason with Elsa Jay.

Eat shit and die.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[mastina]

I am a mason with Elsa Jay.

Pretty blatant breadcrumbs at literally every stage of the way for this.

Want me to compile the full list or do you wanna spend time guessing them all?

CheekyTeeky had every reason to back off of me especially when I softed via the link to Scummers In This Game because that was a 'crumb aimed specifically at her--she did not.

Because she already knew.

[mastina]

Effing dammit that actually makes sense considering Elsa's vote. I'm still town you stupid face.

So.
Who was the one faking confidence, again?

[mastina]

Explain the crumb thing. I've been sick and never paid attention to that.

I am assuming you mean specifically the 'crumb which was aimed at CheekyTeeky.

Well.

In that case, it's these two posts especially in tandem:

Check out this game.
Specifically, notice something about my entrance there?
Where I went town town? scum? scum.?
And made an early readslist? When all the players in the game had not posted yet?
You know what my role that game was?
Mason.
Kinda literally the fucking opposite of being scum.
That game was the

most pertinent/relevant

game for me to link to.
But it's not the only game we've played together.

It was the most pertinent/relevant game because it is my fucking role this game too.

Coz I do know you well and that's watch do gurrrr.

Uh huh.
Sure you do.

You sure know me well enough to have called me fucking scum when

I am a mason

, yep.
And to, having seen that past mistake.
Then reuse your same fucking shade throwing as last time.

I used present tense here, 'am', not past tense, 'was'.

If you want to see every 'crumb and not just the ones in relationship to CheekyTeeky and that past mason game? That? That'll take me a little longer to compile as I've got over 70 posts and well over half of them contain a 'crumb in some form or another. But I'm assuming this is what you were asking for.

[mastina]

If you lynch me, I'll just vengekill mastina. So go ahead. Lynch me.

I hope everyone recognizes this for what it is, that being, a combination AtE + AtF.

[mastina]

I'd 100% vengeful a mason to get hard confirm elsa and put someone who actually knows how to play effective mafia in a position of power. I'd argue that it's literally the most pro-town thing that I could do. So please, help me help town.

Yeah the problem with that is multiple-fold.
1: Vengekills are a shot at hitting scum. By deliberately aiming at town, you're deliberately avoiding playing to your wincon.
2: Vengekills resolve before the night phase. Guess what happens once one mason is vengekilled? You go into night. Guess what the mafia have? A nightkill. End result? Both masons dead before the end of the night. Don't fucking think this game wouldn't have a fucking strongman, because Krazy absolutely gives scum a role like that every single game, pretty much.
3: The mason claim is self-resolving. Scum literally

can't

let us live forever, so what will they do?
Oh yeah.
On their fucking own.
Without a vengekill.
Kill us.

Panzer's not a fucking moron.
He knows all of these.
So he fucking knows better than this.

Ergo.
His threat to vengekill a mason?
Empty at best, gamethrowing at worst. Unless of course he were a scum vengeful, in which case absolutely yeah vengekilling us is the correct play.

It's about as blatant a scumclaim as you can get.

[mastina]

a case study in what not to do in day 1 as a mason

The timing of me pulling the trigger might not have been optimal.
I stand by the decision of pulling the trigger being the right one.
Because while I was nowhere near a lynch.
This was absolutely a situation where claiming gave an edge I otherwise wouldn't have had.

I didn't want to claim, but then when the CheekyTeeky thing played out the way it did...like.
CheekyTeeky was scum.
But.
The only way I could fully explain why was with the claim. (A fact I said as much in the PT.)
It was a bit impulsive, yes, but I stand by it not being a

wrong

call to make. Maybe not the most

optimal

call, sure, yeah. But not a wrong one, either. (Did leave Elsa rather miffed tho. )

[mastina]

I was under the impression that Mastina's earlygame claims are to be taken with a pinch of salt

I mean.
Yes.
But usually the claims are made deliberately and meticulously and thoroughly planned out in advance.

You can

usually

trust sporadic-in-the-heat-of-the-moment early claims to be true because that sort of whimsy isn't something I plan out. I just...get the idea that it's the right thing to do, so I do it, consequences be damned.

If I'm not explicitly claiming it from pretty much my first post, then it's probably not actually fake.

[mastina]

I guess I don't understand why she thinks her role is perfect for her though.

Um.
Mason?

Literally my fucking favorite role of all time?

Literally the role I do my absolute best scumhunting as?

Literally the most fun role of all time to possess?

Fuck being scum, masons are a fucking godsend compared to being scum.

[mastina]

Skimmed the past ~10 pages. Gonna sheep Mastina on this one.
VOTE: CheekyTeeky

On the one hand.
I wouldn't expect Alchemist to be this lackluster as town.
On the other hand.

I also wouldn't expect Alchemist to be this terrible as scum?
I've SEEN him be scum; he did much much better than THIS. (No seriously, check his scumgame. It's not this terrible.)
I've also seen him as town, and he also did much much more than this. (Basically any towngame. Not this lackluster.)
So.
Alch's ambivalent, for what it's worth. I don't know what to make of him here because regardless of his alignment I'd expect something better than what I'm seeing.

[mastina]

so
why do you think scum!cheeky does this?

Because it was a push that was win-win regardless.
I don't claim, Cheeky gets away with pushing me and has an excuse to not push anyone else.
I do claim, then my claim's out in the open and exposed.
CheekyTeeky had every reason to push me as scum and no reason NOT to.

Also.
CheekyTeeky might not have even seen a way to back out as scum.
As town who picked up on my hints, CheekyTeeky would immediately have a way to get out of it; as scum who picked up on my hints, CheekyTeeky likely wouldn't know how she should respond.

Also.
The way CheekyTeeky did respond once the claim was out was a scum reaction, so.

[mastina]

1) cause she's probably a real mason
3) Cause I've only seen garbage play so far

As a vig.
Would you fucking vig an innocent child because you thought their play was garbage?

Fuck no, you'd be fucking banned for gamethrowing for that.

This is literally no fucking different than that, and yet it's Panzer's logic for justifying his threat.

[mastina]

you werent losing this debate

Doesn't mean it wasn't a not-wrong call. A lack of losing the debate doesn't in of itself mean that claiming was bad, because there was a notable lack of winning it in a sense. Good reasons to make it, more or less. I'm kinda getting tired (good god my eyes are shaking I need a nap) so I'm kinda losing coherency here so I kinda can't explain it properly to lay out my thought process but again, I will defend the call. Maybe it wasn't necessary, sure, but it was still I think something overall advantageous. Even if not optimal, still USEFUL, if that makes sense.

[mastina]

skyg looks like maybe scum also

Nahhh.
This is a good solid 60% chance Skygazer's towngame.
It

could

be scum, remaining 40%, because it's too early to make a definitive call, but this def reminds me more of her town self than her scum self right now.

[mastina]

She really isnt above claiming mason with her scum partner. It kinda bothers me that Titus defended it like that cause she would know that as well..

Titus would know that I'd never fucking claim mason as scum, actually.

Because no I fucking don't fakeclaim mason as scum?

Yes, I know.
I invented pretty much the mason gambit.
Yes, I know.
I am infamous for it.
Yes, I know.
That makes every mason claim of mine automatically suspect.
Doesn't change the fact that it never comes from scum and that yes I can and do legitimately actually roll mason from time to time.

[mastina]

843 introduces more information to the lie that makes it considerably more implausible in that;
a. it suggests Mastina claiming mason d1 was something she was always planning on doing
b. this plan was discussed and strongly dissented against by Elsa

Elsa

exaggerated

.
But did not

fabricate

.

The proof will be there in the postgame; that conversation's QUITE real I assure you. Not QUITE the way Elsa said it, but ehhh close enough to it. When the game's over, I'll even directly quote it in here for you to see. It happened.

Best I can do now tho is a paraphrase.
Need to check with Krazy first on his rules there tho on how specific I can get. (I imagine down to the minute would be discouraged. )

[mastina]

Lol late game player.

Sooo...adc then I take it?

[mastina]

Why is no one posting I’m f5ing the page constantly D:

If it makes you feel any better.

You've gone from "scum" to "probably town but if scum I'll let em win because e earned it".

(Largely because your thoughts may have some merit to them in some areas. Not sure about all areas, but some.)

[mastina]

Give me 2 nights. If the power of Dark Cookies cannot resolve it, then we react.

That requires trust in you that I utterly lack.

[mastina]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=77288
wasn't alch scum in this?

I was thinking more along the lines of his scumplay here.

In that game, he just seemed...BETTER...than what I'm seeing here. But he was very much scum there, I assure you.

[mastina]

so
why do you think scum!cheeky does this?

Because it was a push that was win-win regardless.
I don't claim, Cheeky gets away with pushing me and has an excuse to not push anyone else.
I do claim, then my claim's out in the open and exposed.
CheekyTeeky had every reason to push me as scum and no reason NOT to.

Also.
CheekyTeeky might not have even seen a way to back out as scum.
As town who picked up on my hints, CheekyTeeky would immediately have a way to get out of it; as scum who picked up on my hints, CheekyTeeky likely wouldn't know how she should respond.

Also.
The way CheekyTeeky did respond once the claim was out was a scum reaction, so.

What would town!Cheeky have done?

A town Cheeky picking up on my hints would've known to back off.
A town Cheeky having failed to see my hints would've had a reaction which was more fluid and organic; Cheeky's reaction was very stilted, artificial, and looked preplanned, with a lack of panic attached to it. There was the backtracking, sure, but it was backtracking that was inevitable.
I know I'm not explaining this well, I'm half asleep right now and need to do a proper explanation when I wake up.

[mastina]

Fuck no, you'd be fucking banned for gamethrowing for that.

do people actually get banned for gamethrowing???????

Yes--check the ban announcement thread and somewhere in there you'll find a ban where a vig vigged an ic. I don't remember who, or when, this happened, but it definitely is a thing which you can find.

[mastina]

like I don't see it happening that often
do people actually get banned for it?

I mean.
It doesn't happen that often because it's a bannable offense so just about everyone who is in any way rational knows better than to do it.

[mastina]

Stop defending yourself and focus on catching scum.

I am; that post was explaining part of the reason why CheekyTeeky's scum. At least it was supposed to be. Might not have conveyed the idea there properly. (I need a fucking nap but I'm almost caught up just let me finish my catchup dammit so I can fucking sleep.)

[mastina]

It's never a good thing when I'm the "sane" one.

I seem to recall I warned you of that when I introduced myself to you.

[mastina]

(Well I said pioneer of every anti-town habit, so didn't use the word insane specifically I guess, but I definitely did warn you what you were in for. )

[mastina]

Mood:

[mastina]

I think mastie can't back down because she claimed and her ego won't let her believe she did that 1v1ing town.

I mean.
I can have doubts--and do.
But those doubts?
Kinda removed with posts like this.

Calling my continued scumread on you ego-based is pulling discrediting in the only way you can do so without instantly being hounded.
Ego plays zero part in my reads at any point. While, yeah, I

am

egotistical, I put zero pride in my scumread of a player. I am voting you because I think you are scum. Ego doesn't keep me from reevaluating; posts like THIS one DO.

[mastina]

Well, what's your other option? Lynch him and die?

If he's scum--worth it.
If he's town--getting him permabanned from mafia for gamethrowing seems like a small price to pay. His attitude is 100% NOT one appropriate to have in a game if he's town here. (His attitude here is excusable if and only if he is scum, because if he is scum everything he's doing/saying/threatening is playing to his wincon. Those same actions as town are utterly 100% inexcusable.)
So, yes, actually.

[mastina]

because just based off that post I can tell that you were told in scumchat that she was a mason.

Can see this and think it has merit. When I'm caught up you'll have my readslist to see where I'm at more or less.

[mastina]

Is it really ever this easy with her tho, considering I've also never seen a scum game of hers

yes???????????????????????

I mean.
In spite of the fact that I am ridiculously good at scum.
In spite of the fact that I can do literally anything as scum and therefore almost nothing is actually a towntell from me.
I'm kinda still good at being obvtown when town anyway?
My strength as scum isn't in looking town, it's in manipulation behind the scenes.

[mastina]

I would. You think I care about a mafia ban?

Case and point for why Panzer's play here is only acceptable as scum and if town is utterly inexcusable.

[mastina]

I think I've been interpreting Mastina's tone wrong

I mean.
Just because I'm cussing doesn't mean I'm angry.

Yes cursing usually goes along-side anger, but it need not exclusively be so. Sometimes I just feel like being profane.

Granted, yes, did GET emotional around the 1v1 with Cheeky time, but have been calm most of the game. This is a game I'm genuinely having FUN in. I enjoy posting every time I do. (And sometimes am not posting specifically because I wouldn't enjoy myself if I were--see also, not posting yesterday.)

I said from the start that I thought that my claim for being excited for the game seemed to be the only genuine one, and I mean it still. This is me having that excitement and fun.

[mastina]

She did that here too

Oh, I forgot about that. Extenuating circumstances there. Technically speaking, yes, did claim mason, but did so pretty much explicitly as a joke/reaction test of sorts. In the Channel 48 PT, I said, "hey at least I'm not advocating for treating this thread as a masonry" and then when I claimed mason with BNL, quoted said post and went, "abouuuuuuuut thaaaaaaat......" to it.

It was something which was pretty clearly not a claim meant to be taken seriously for a long time. The people in the neighborhood knew that we weren't masons, and knew that I didn't really intend for us to be seen as masons.

[mastina]

the masons are gonna end up getting the lynch they want but im not ready to play follow the masons

If it makes you feel better, I actually like the Alch wagon--not sure I'm comfortable joining it, but I sure as fuck am not fighting against it.

[mastina]

If this isn't my last post for the next 24 hours please shout at me

UNVOTE:

JJH I AM SHOUTING AT YOU!!!

[mastina]

Are you still scumreading Cheeky from that back and forth? @Mastina.

Yes.

Mastina claiming is like a perfect catalyst for scum to push a cheeky mislynch.

Okay--then who's the scum pushing the Cheeky mislynch?

The best candidate I see there is Alch--which is notably again the reason why I don't oppose the wagon on him even if I'm not sure I want to join it.

And while, yes, Titus could be scum (and is still a fairly good scum candidate)...she joined the wagon before the claim if I recall correctly.

[mastina]

Titus doesn't get lynched today for a couple of reasons. Make your case and then hunt elsewhere.

Pretty much agree, actually--while I think Titus is a fairly good scum candidate, there are enough players who I am scumreading much much strongerly than I do her, where going after her is not optimal. Basically, too many people have a higher chance at flipping scum compared to her.

[mastina]

Titus ur town because you realized that the language I'm using is intentionally manipulative.

I wouldn't be so sure about that--I read what you were saying as basically intentional trolling; it was pretty self-evidently obvious that you weren't saying those things seriously and were saying them in jest.

[mastina]

I’m masons with Xtoxm.

I already thought Flavor Leaf was likely town but this pushes him into definitely town. While Flavor Leaf fakeclaims regardless of his alignment, this troll is something which I feel is inherently a town trollpost.

[mastina]

Why the fuck is another pair of mason claims going around?

Because town players feel like trolling. (The mason claim troll could come from scum, sure, yeah, I just don't think it did; both Flavor Leaf and Chaos Wind are townreads.)

[mastina]

Can we have another readslist?

At this rate of catch-up, in about two minutes, sure, yeah.

[mastina]

Why is it excusable and not bannable when you play in a game throwing manner but inexcusable and bannable when I play in a game throwing manner?

Because what I did wasn't game-throwing. Claiming mason had a legitimate game purpose; it exposed scum in a way which couldn't be done otherwise. Becoming conftown on D1 is also not inherently a bad thing. Yes, it means that the masons die fairly early on, but that's not inherently a bad thing because I don't trust myself in the lategame anyway and the scum killing me instead of, sayyy, an investigative PR, means that said investigative PR has the time to generate useful results unimpeded. There's actual, provable, game utility in claiming mason, even on D1.

You can disagree with the theory, but from a theory standpoint, it is not unambiguously game-throwing.

Shooting conftown as town, on the other hand?

That?

That's unambiguously game-throwing.

Claiming to become conftown's not gamethrowing because there's utility in it (you're still playing to your wincon even if the decision to claim is not the MOST optimal); shooting conftown as town is gamethrowing because it is literally playing against your wincon.

[mastina]

have you talked about why you think chaos wind is town, mastina
- Hideri

Gut + weak meta in tandem.

[mastina]

Elsa Jay

jjh927
Brock and Onyx

Alisae
Flavor Leaf
Skygazer

Tet
Chaos Wind
Xtoxm

Pink Ball
Emperor flippyNips
Shiro

TTTT

Cafe Stile

Alchemist21

Titus

Panzerjager
CheekyTeeky

This is about where I'm at.
Note that I sincerely doubt that the bottom four are together as a scumteam.
The bottom six there's probably at least a viable scumteam in, but fucked if I know which combo would be the most likely. (Also in like 97.5% of my games I townread someone I shouldn't be townreading, soooooo.)

[mastina]

why would you want to follow masons that are gamethrowing????????
Asking for a friend

Alchemist doesn't think they are and nor do I.

Here are the things mastina did this game
- get into a fight that is probably a TvT with Cheeky
- claimed mason and outed their buddy because Cheeky reasonably thought mastina could be scum for some reason
- continued to push that one read and nothing else because their ego demanded it.

I'm sorry, how is that not gamethrowing?

the language I'm using is

intentionally manipulative

.

[mastina]

why would you want to follow masons that are gamethrowing????????
Asking for a friend

Alchemist doesn't think they are and nor do I.

Here are the things mastina did this game
- get into a fight that is probably a TvT with Cheeky
- claimed mason and outed their buddy because Cheeky reasonably thought mastina could be scum for some reason
- continued to push that one read and nothing else because their ego demanded it.

I'm sorry, how is that not gamethrowing?

the language I'm using is

intentionally manipulative

.

For those not getting it: Panzer tried to counter my point by quoting an Alisae post...which Alisae emself SAID was intentionally manipulative. Alisae's post was pretty much trolling/satirical/parody/sarcastic/snarking/whatevertermyou'dliketousefornotbeingserious. It was, self-evidently, a joke.

Panzer is portraying it not only as if it was serious, but as if it were a legitimate, genuine argument to be made that had any merit to it whatsoever. (It didn't. It's so painfully without merit that it's not even worth arguing against because the points are just so blatantly false.)

[mastina]

Mastina are you caught up?

I was.

Not my fault you fucks make 22 new pages in a day.

[mastina]

Second, you can wait for a night action that could help understand Cheeky's alignment

Not something I unclaimed have any influence over, now, is it?
Is something I have influence over post-claim, now, isn't it?

Third, you could have waited to build a stronger case or to be more sure of the read

Yes and that's my largest regret; I legitimately was thinking to wait longer before dropping the bombshell, but made the "fuckit doing it now" call. I'm nothing if not impulsive; I admit it was maybe not perfectly timed but I still defend it as not pointless.

I'm just saying, there were many ways it could have been done "otherwise"

And while some did occur to me and in hindsight I regret not going with them, in the moment, the claim seemed like the right decision.

Exposing scum would be if scum claimed mason and you cc'd them.

I actually thought CheekyTeeky was trying to breadcrumb either mason or IC or some form of "hey I can confirm myself as town" role, which is specifically WHY I claimed; I wanted to force CheekyTeeky to commit to their softclaim that I was seeing.

If the setup was Friends and Enemies (I think thats the one) you would not be saying this.

I can shut down the entire rest of what you say here with two words:
It isn't.

If this were Friends and Enemies, yes, I wouldn't say that--but this isn't Friends and Enemies. This is a theme game which while it may not be role madness is going to be pretty close there to. Krazy setups are ALWAYS PR-heavy; we're talking, I'm usually the one who gets him to add an extra VT or two in and I wasn't involved, PR-heavy. The typical VT level in a Krazy game is like ~3-5 at most; the rest of us are all various different types of PRs or scum.

Because there are so many PRs.
It is inherently different from a setup in which the only PR is the masonry.

Don't pretend a masonry-only-PR game is comparable to a borderline-role-madness-PR game; the two are night and day different and what I said was specific to the latter because that's the game we're actually fucking in. What I said was pertinent and relevant to THIS game. No fucking shit it doesn't apply to Friends and Enemies, but we're not playing Friends and Enemies.

[mastina]

I honestly believe that Pink Ball has the highest chances of flipping scum right now tbh.

Ehhh.
Not gonna lie.
I can see it.
But actually.

If Pink Ball were scum I'd expect something different.
Yes I know.
If he were town I'd also expect something different from what we're seeing here.

So he's not someone I'd lock as scum but he's someone who could be scum, yes.

[mastina]

{Mastina, Elsa, Cheeky, Titus, Brock and Oynx} Townblock
{Chaos Wind, jjh, Tet, Alch} Probably Town but not townblock levels of town
{Panzer} Panzer stop being bad D;
--
{Skygazer, Emperor FlippyNips} Play game plz
{Flavor Leaf, Cafe} Null
{Xtoxm} Need Flips
--
{Shiro, TTTT} 1 Scum
{Pink Ball} Definitely scum

The problem with that is that there's gonna be four scum and your reads don't really seem conductive to giving a scumteam, here.
One scum in Shiro/TTTT means the other is town.
Which would mean two scum in {Xtoxm, Flavor Leaf, Cafe, Skygazer, Emperor FlippyNips}.

Do you honestly think that {Pink Ball, Shiro/TTTT, two of Xtoxm/Flavor Leaf/Cafe/Skygazer/Emperor FlippyNips} works as a scumteam?

I don't.

I don't think most of those reads are

bad

, mind you. I'd take Flavor Leaf, Skygazer, and maaaaaaaaybe Xtoxm out of the pool altogether, but that's it. (Mind you, don't think Emperor FlippyNips is scum, but I also don't really feel like he's a strong enough read to fight against a scumread on.)
But I think you have scum higher up as well.

[mastina]

4 reasons that start with T.

I'd say Trouble in Terrorist Town if I could think of an accompanying fourth T.

[mastina]

Anyway Mastie baby wherw are you

For the record, generic response (I did tell Elsa more about this in the PT), I tend to be around once or twice a day, if that, at best. Sometimes only once every other day. Mafia drains a lot from me and I just don't have the energy to constantly devote every second to it--not even in games I am genuinely enjoying.

When I am genuinely enjoying a game, I will put more into it than a comparatively-less-fun-game, but I still have limits. I still want to be doing OTHER things than the game. (For instance, right now I want to spend time with my girlfriend; I'm not because of ~personal gf stuff~, but it's still what I'd PREFER to be doing more than right now.) I still want to be elsewhere, I still want to only spend so much time on the game, before I go elsewhere. There's just too much time/effort to be invested if I were to go all-out on a game and I literally can't do that--not even with the support of a partner like I have here.

There's also a question of whether I SHOULD be around.
I get more productive, useful, actual game content, out of being around for a while, then leaving, and coming back...
...Than I do constantly being around never-ceasingly.

Not only is it because the quality of my content is better (because I'm more refreshed, more able to be clear each and every single time I come back), it's also because it allows others to post things that they otherwise wouldn't get a chance to post. My presence alters the nature of the content being posted at the time I am around; this is one of the reasons why I prefer to post when nobody else is around. Because I like my presence to have minimal effect on the posting of others at the time, but maximum effect on the posts of people AFTER I come in, if that makes sense.

Basically, people who come in and see that I've caught up post differently than people who come in and see that I am actively posting; the former I've found is more valuable than the latter.

So I'm pretty much never around when it's convenient, and while this is partially because of my schedule (I work when people are around and am free when others are either working or asleep), it is also largely by design and an intentional choice I make in every game I play.

[mastina]

Mastina was masons with fuckin yume of all people there

And that was one of the best possible partners for me to get and I legit think Elsa's on that tier, too--not the trash-tier you'd associate that with, but on the tier which is "almost as good as can possibly be gotten".
There

are

mason partners who're even higher, but those are players that there's natural synergy with without being a mason; Nacho, Ginngie, Pine, camn, etc. The tier directly below that in terms of awesome mason partners is players that there's synergy with specifically because of being a mason; Yume, Varsoon, Elsa, etc. are the players of that tier.

The tiers below that are the tiers of players who don't really produce that synergy. For instance, you; have a hard time imagining me synergizing at all with you in any way so you'd be a TERRIBLE mason partner for me.

But I digress.

[mastina]

I'm Informed Town
what I'm informed of I don't wanna reveal until later

While I'm annoyed that you're not claiming this info.

This is 100% not a fakeclaim.
Or even, like.
200% not a fakeclaim.
It is absolutely, 100%, real as real can be, a realclaim.

It is not

inherently

a town claim because Krazy

can

(and in a certain sense to some extent from a specific point of view, has) make an informed scum...

...But it is

disproportionately likely

to be a townclaim.

We're talking, solid 80-95% range, town claim.

[mastina]

A lot of scumplay is playing around your team and teamplay.
Panzer's gameplay here is not one of which I would describe as a Team player.
Thats like, the biggest reason why I think he's really obvious town atm.

Would you describe his play here as being a team player?

[mastina]

VOTE: Pink Ball

go back to shiro?

Ya know what.

Sure actually.

VOTE: Shiro

[mastina]

Elsa Jay

jjh927
Brock and Onyx

Alisae
TTTT

Flavor Leaf
Skygazer

Tet
Chaos Wind
Xtoxm

Emperor flippyNips

Cafe Stile
Pink Ball

Alchemist21

Titus
Shiro

Panzerjager
CheekyTeeky

I realize having 7 slots I'm willing to lynch when only 4 are probably scum's a little bit more than I should have, but on D1 it's an acceptable position to be in even if not the

most

ideal.

[mastina]

(Generally speaking for a scumteam of four, the most you want is six. You can potentially have UP TO eight, but you don't really WANT to have more than six. Basically, scumteam of 4, 4 scumreads = perfect, 8 scumreads = maximum, 9+ = you're doing it wrong, 6 = most you want to have, 5 = perfectly fine, 7 = not optimal, but acceptable spot. So I have one more than I want, but one less than the maximum acceptable to have.)

[mastina]

(Mind you, these aren't all scumreads per se so much as "willing to lynch", but same principle applies.)

[mastina]

since ur here can you give me the highlights in that iso you gave me
I don't have the energy to go through that atm.

I don't have the energy to give highlights.

Literally burned out my mafia batteries for the day by the time I finished catching up here. They were honestly already low prior to me beginning and I was lucky I didn't exhaust them before finishing.

[mastina]

And you are this certain because???

Experience.

[mastina]

Haven't I fake claimed informed townie as scum? I am too confused to remember.
I think TTTT is town but this feels overblown mastina.

Nice shade-throw, but I can 100% prove that the informed claim is 200% a realclaim.
Not, mind you, that it's town though that's a solid ~90% (give or take 5%), but it is absolutely a real claim and I can prove to you why even without knowing what the Information TTTT has is.

[mastina]

Why is cheeky so low for you?
Is it cos of the 1v1?

Kind-of

, yes, but also not exclusively.

[mastina]

sounds like an op role for scum

Um.
Xtoxm.

You've played in Krazy's games?

You of ALL people should know better than to say this.

[mastina]

super scummy reads
Idunno how mastina TRs u but /shrug

Reads being bad != scummy, easy enough.

[mastina]

mastinaaaaaaa
how do you feel about creature?

Creature's actually been fairly inactive site-wide relatively speaking (sure he's been around and been posting but compared to normal he's been much less active in the last week or two or so), so his drop in activity doesn't send me red flags here.

Give him at least a full day phase, probably two, then make a call then, referring to his overall site activity level and his activity level in this game to see if he's scum or just borderline-siteflaking-town.

[mastina]

Haven't I fake claimed informed townie as scum? I am too confused to remember.
I think TTTT is town but this feels overblown mastina.

Nice shade-throw, but I can 100% prove that the informed claim is 200% a realclaim.
Not, mind you, that it's town though that's a solid ~90% (give or take 5%), but it is absolutely a real claim and I can prove to you why even without knowing what the Information TTTT has is.

Do it and I vote myself. Put your money where you mouth is.

Sure.

Every single Krazy Game He's modded has included, or ALMOST included, an Informed role. (Legacy of the Void almost had an Informed mechanic, but was scrapped; I'd know this as I was involved in the process but this mechanic existing is public record since Krazy mentioned it at some point in a now-public location, beit the dead PT or postgame in game thread.)

[mastina]

mastina reviews like 99% of krazzy games i'd sheep her on mechs before i'd sheep anyone else on the list

(Speaking of, Krazy, just because I'm a player in this game, don't think that means I want to stop reviewing your games; I'm down to review any of your future games. )

[mastina]

This proves that Krazy use informed roles, not that 4Ts isnt lying about it.

And he'd know that Informed was a plausible role...

...How?

How would he, magically, know how to claim a role like that?

Occam's razor; he has that role (or even if he's scum and doesn't, his scumteam DOES).

I said it didn't make him town, but it is 100% a real roleclaim especially given that at some point he can prove his role's real just by outing the information he has; that outted information can often be proven true given simple basic time to be shown. As a hypothetical example, knows there are masons in the game; had we not claimed, then we could then after that claim to verify.

[mastina]

Worst ISO I skimmed today.

How did you differentiate his posts from Alisae's tho?

[mastina]

How do you turn this on

Make sure you have a monastery and research Heresy, or else you're in for a NASTY surprise.

[mastina]

Day 1 deadline is in 3 days, 0 hours, 33 minutes

I'm not sure how many people are paying attention
BUT
we need to lynch something
soon

Sure.

Name your preference in:
{Cafe Stile, Pink Ball, Alchemist21, Titus, Shiro, Panzerjager, CheekyTeeky}.
Realistically speaking, nobody outside of these names is going to get lynched.
(Heck even among them Titus probably isn't getting lynched because lack of support, but OH WELL.)
And if they did, it would be because they're flipping town.

Inside this pool's your best shot for a D1 lynch landing on scum; pick one and stick to it.
I'll support a wagon on any of them.

[mastina]

So i guess T was just trying to make us wait till night phase so he could eat someone

By the way, for the purposes of VCA, TTTT counts as a townflip because the scum had no way of knowing that TTTT wasn't town; as far as they were concerned, TTTT was not aligned with them and therefore they knew TTTT wasn't a scumflip and therefore they 'knew' TTTT was town.

Obviously, tho, as far as D1 flips not on groupscum go, TTTT's about as good of a flip as we can get because it means less town death per night, butyeah. Not what I'd call a scum lynch, because scum thought they were lynching town and were surprised to learn they didn't.

We lynched outside my lynch pool yesterday and my lynch pool remains the same today as a consequence.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky
Because sure why not.
(I'll vote any of the seven.)

[mastina]

He was still playing in an off way than I was used to, though.i think it counts for town haha

Oh he was not town so town had legitimate reason to scumread him which meant that town players can't be faulted for lynching him because he wasn't strictly speaking a mislynch, but the scum had no reason to KNOW town had legitimate reason to scumread him--in other words, scum had no reason to KNOW scumreads on him were legitimate; as far as the scum were concerned, any of them voting for TTTT would be voting for a mislynch.

Basically it means that there's a slight difference from normal for scumhunting. When you have a proper mislynch, town thought they had legitimate reasons but did not, scum faked reasons they knew weren't legitimate; when you have a lynch on a 3p, town legitimately had legitimate reasons, but critically, scum's reasons were

still faked

. Which is where I'm coming from RE: it being counted closer to being a townflip for VCA.

[mastina]

so uh
in what way shape or form is Panzer not scum by the way he defended TTTT?
Asking for a friend.

I mean.
Dude's been a strong scumread of mine the entire game, sooooooo.

[mastina]

@mastina why are we playing professor vca instead of scumhunting?

Because I already scumhunted:

We lynched outside my lynch pool yesterday and my lynch pool remains the same today as a consequence.
(I'll vote any of the seven.)

Cafe Stile
Pink Ball

Alchemist21

Titus
Shiro

Panzerjager
CheekyTeeky

When I said that hadn't changed.
It meant that hadn't changed.

[mastina]

I dunno Titus, the sk just died, it is a fair assumption

Not really
My vig (n2/n3 plus [will not explain this])
Scum 1 nightkill
Panzer venge
SK
????
Plus, that doesn't allow for the possibility of Panzer's venge not counting in the 5.
Panzer's scum.
Let's find lynchable scum.

I actually could not shoot last night and would come back innocent to gun checkers. I come back guilty to them now.

This however does change it.

Titus's claim is absolutely a realclaim and it is absolutely a townclaim. The kind of vig she is claiming and more specifically the kind of KNOWLEDGE she is claiming is beyond the realm of "good fakeclaim"; it's not only a realclaim but also a really fucking town role.

[mastina]

to quote varsoon, people who try to scrape by just ONE MORE DAY always bug me

Doesn't matter. Titus is town here because she provided a secret pass code that scum even fakeclaiming wouldn't magically know. A pass code indicative of her being town.

[mastina]

Pink Ball may have actually gotten hit with a post restriction. All his posts today have been Haunter gifs.

Nahhh he's shitposting.

[mastina]

I'M PROBABLY ABOUT TO SPEND TIME WITH MY GIRLFRIEND AND RIGHT NOW AM INCREDIBLY BUSY AND I DON'T THINK I CAN POST CONTENT TONIGHT AND MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FOR A WHILE BECAUSE I'M DOING LIKE TEN DIFFERENT THINGS A DAY RIGHT NOW AND I WILL BE AROUND WHEN I AM ABLE TO AND I PRAY TO GOD THAT THE MOD DOESN'T HAVE PROD-DODGE RULES BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE CONTENT NOW BUT I SWEAR TO GOD I CAN MAKE GOOD CONTENT ONCE I AM NO LONGER SO BUSY; I SHOULD PROBABLY SET V/LA EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY SPEAKING I AM NEITHER ON VACATION NOR LIMITED ACCESS (well, from a certain point of view, I AM on vacation given shutdown week at work but that vacation should've increased my access not decreased and yet here I am)

[mastina]

Mastina can I interest you in helping me on lynching cafe ? They are pretty scum and Titus is probably not.

If this still holds?

Sure why not.

[mastina]

@mastina What does your PT look like? Like, whats the dynamic between you and Elsa in there?

Bit too tired to go into it right now. Fair number of posts by me, some content, some not, some solving not in the game thread for whatever reason--don't want to put it publicly yet or don't want to read things while logged in but did so while logged out and made notes that way, sort of stuff.

[mastina]

She probably doesn't trust me to say anything. She's also right as I've been sworn to secrecy to only reveal the damning readslist on her deathbed. That was scum can't kill both of us.

Does Mastina have reads on which scum are goons?

One goon will exist the rest will be PRs. But, scum's scum. Doesn't matter which are the PRs and which is the goon, we need them dead just as soon.

[mastina]

I look forward to that sweet sweet content.

I'm feeling mostly reactive so.
Not much to give.

[mastina]

Mastieeeeeeee

Elsaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[mastina]

Votecount 2.7

Chaos Wind(5)

~ Pink Ball(11), Titus(70), Tet(65), Panzerjager(65), Elsa Jay(20)

jjh927(4)

~ Chaos Wind(7), Cafe Stile(12), Creature(19), CheekyTeeky(48)

Gamma Emerald(4)

~ Furret und Woopers(74), Shiro(55), Xtoxm(34), Alchemist21(23)

All three of these wagons suck ass because all three are on town.

[mastina]

@Mastina Who is a good wagon?

The people in my lynch list, e.g.
VOTE: Alchemist21.

[mastina]

Urrrgh I was planning on contenting tonight but I'm not sure I have the...energy? Fortitude? Endurance? Lucidity? Mental awareness? Willpower? Some term like that, to do it.

From my experience thusfar tonight, for the last hour or so I've been at "bare minimum" levels of functioning, and I'm only getting worse.

Bad idea to try to start catching up tonight.

I'm free all of tomorrow, tho, so I should be able to post then.

I've been busy, and I am sorry for not having posted real content, but I CAN post it now. I have the time. I just...apparently need a night's sleep.
And tomorrow, I'll NOT ONLY have the time...BUT ALSO have that not-half-asleepness I have now. Throw insults at me if I haven't at least started by this time tomorrow.

[mastina]

I assumed wifom. Ki powered fists sounds like a krillin kill btw.

That would be among the reasons why I voted him, yes.

• Alchemist21 is among my scumspects.
  
• His claim is not something which is clearly town. Role != alignment.
  
• The kill matches his claimed flavor.
  
• I don't buy any argument of "but if I knew the kill flavor would expose me with my realclaim, I'd just fakeclaim!" argument or anything of the sort.

Ergo, vote Alchemist.

[mastina]

That assumes:
A) I’m the only character who uses ki (I don’t know if ki is something exclusive to DBZ).
B) I would claim a character that matches my kill flavor.

And why, pray tell, are those assumptions bad?

[mastina]

And like I said, it might be called that in other series too. Bleach has basically the same thing but they call it Reishi.

Yeah but if it were a kill from Bleach it'd be called "killed by a blast of reiatsu" or something akin to that, not "killed by a blast of ki".

[mastina]

Oh look we mislynched someone I was saying is town.

yep. its looking like another game where i get ignored while town lynches my townreads.

I mean.
I called ChaosWind town, too, so.

[mastina]

i would like to see mast or elsa die sooner or later but i guess i still tr them

Well I'll die soon enough, I just have to stop slacking.

I am sorry for that by the way. It's not intentional lurking, I've just been busy most of the time.

[mastina]

Omg. Seriously FL? I'd kick your butt if I was anywhere near you.
It doesn't matter what theory you have, you've basically outted me trying to save Tet. Use your brain cells choose someone else.

I am a good solid 98% sure CheekyTeeky does not use this language here as town.

[mastina]

Omg. Seriously FL? I'd kick your butt if I was anywhere near you.
It doesn't matter what theory you have, you've basically outted me trying to save Tet. Use your brain cells choose someone else.

I am a good solid 98% sure CheekyTeeky does not use this language here as town.

Actually.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky.
Alchemist is 95% scum.
CheekyTeeky is 98% scum.
Both are highly likely scum, but I actually think CheekyTeeky is more likely scum here.

[mastina]

I’m a child.

I agree.

Hot damn the burn.

[mastina]

I think mastina could be one of the 3Ps and hit the jackpot calling Elsa her mason partner since Elsa would say yes either as town or scum. Elsa could be the scum in that pairing.

No, we're masons.
We're just bad ones.

We're conftown played wrong; we're conftown that give conftown a bad name. The conftown that sit around in a game and do nothing, rather than the conftown that lead the game spearheading lynches and uniting the town. But conftown is conftown all the same, no matter how shitty the play.

And I am truly sorry for that; I AM trying here to get more active and more involved and contributing more and actually doing stuff.

I'll lynch Alchemist if that's really what you want because Alch is basically caught confscum, but I also am absolutely dead serious that I am 98% certain a town CheekyTeeky does

not

react the way she did and given one or two weeks I can prove it.

[mastina]

Why is Mastina trying to lynch a claimed Cop?

Because role != alignment and CheekyTeeky I'm quite certain pulled a move she absolutely would never pull as town, so fuck whatever she claimed she's still scum.

Also you're defending her and you're caught scum, so.

[mastina]

C'moooon mastina you're still onto Cheeky because of D1?

No.

Elsa can confirm; in our PT, I was talking about how I was actually thinking CheekyTeeky was town.

I was on my way to reversing my read there...

...And then? CheekyTeeky scumclaimed.

Again, I promise I'll explain more when I can but CheekyTeeky just doesn't do what she did this game if she's town. Absolutely positive.

[mastina]

I think Flavor Leaf and possibly mastina is scum.

Small problem with that theory...

[mastina]

Sigh.
VOTE: Alchemist21
CheekyTeeky tomorrow tho.

[mastina]

What.
I was voting CheekyTeeky today.

VOTE: Alchemist21

[mastina]

VOTE: Alchemist21

[mastina]

vote jjh

Scum taking advantage of a stupendously self-evident fakeclaimed guilty.

[mastina]

I was able to role cop last night. He's a traitor.

Uh huh.

Surrrrrre he is.

Sure he's a traitor and you're in no way just fucking bullshitting with a fakeclaim.
In no way could he actually genuinely just be town with you pulling a shitty ass gambit.

[mastina]

-You're claiming to have a functionally 3p wincon that includes the town wincon but is harder than it which is frankly obvious scum!boon fakeclaim bullshit

Oh and by the way.

As an expert in Krazy setup design.

Can confirm that Flavor Leaf's functionally-3p claim is absolute horseshit.

It is absolutely not a role Krazy would design.

So Flavor Leaf is 100% fakeclaiming that shit.

[mastina]

The most critical flaw in just the claimed rolecop is that role titles are potentially ambiguous and yet FL has claimed to receive no more than "Traitor"- but a rolecop that does not receive a full explanation of a role in a game with a roles called "Mech Pilot" and "Dragon Knight" is just not a thing.

This.

[mastina]

mm no i think a rolecop would get a full rolecard
what are you doing here boon

Fakeclaiming to mislynch town.

That's what.

[mastina]

He’s doing what he tends to do.

Which is fakeclaiming out of his ass.

And people are actually voting jjh?

[mastina]

There are 14 players alive on Day 5. Why would I ever fake a guilty here as scum?

Well for a start, because you could get away with it on the basis of being Flavor Leaf.
Because Flavor Leaf absolutely fakeclaims a guilty as town, so.

[mastina]

You were already likely going down, if I was faking a guilty, I'd go for a much higher priority target.

Counterpoint: jjh not going down is precisely why you would fakeclaim a guilty on him.

Because he didn't get lynched on D3.

Also the only reason people wanted to lynch jjh was a lull in his activity--one which was temporary and based on real life shit interfering with his ability to play at 100%. jjh at 100% is painfully obviously town and this is, 100%, his towngame through and through, so.

[mastina]

Oh okay you think you can spin that as a traitor crumb I guess that explains why you're doing this

Pretty much yeah.

[mastina]

NO. TODAY IS ALCH. NOBODY DIED BECAUSE ALCH IS THE ONE WHO'S BEEN DOING THE KILLS. FUCK OFFFFFFFFFF

VOTE: Alchemist21

<3

Thanks for being one of the only sane player to have posted. <3

[mastina]

he was being voted by his scum buddies likely, so he started talking to him. Maybe he was recruited last night, which is why there was no kill.

you are smoking crack, mr leaf. if this is bullshit. and you force it through. and he flips town. i will see to it that you fall.

No, you won't.
jjh will flip town and then you'll do absolutely fucking nothing about it because Flavor Leaf will pull some shit out of his ass to justify the move and you won't have the support you need.

Don't pretend you will.

[mastina]

alch is town

Ok mister reads, if it isn't clear: I blocked last night's kill, and I'm not Flavor Leaf.

YES.
(This would be where I would vote Alchemist if I wasn't already voting him, but since I'm already voting him...)

[mastina]

P.S. I know you’re not a roleblocker so there’s that. You’ve outed yourself to me here.

Scum claim. Whoever doesn't vote Alch in their next post is his partner

Pretty much, yeah.

[mastina]

Ever heard of the Solar Flare? I’ll give you a guess at what that does here.

While Krillin has that move in his moveset, that move wasn't his originally. (It was originally Tien's move.)

You know what Krillin's signature move is?

Destructo Disc.
Reading about that btw brought me to this little tidbit from that wiki.

As Krillin regains his fighting spirit, his powers return, and are even enhanced to the point where

he can clad his fists with his aura

, causing huge explosions.
---
Krillin's High Speed Rush in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai is the Berserk Fist/Valiant Fist, and he also uses the Zanku Fist and the Jackhammer.

[mastina]

And jjh I’m okay with lynching especially with a guilty.

Counterpoint: the only reason jjh wasn't town was because he wasn't posting--which there was a justifiable reason before verifiable by checking his sitewide activity. You can apply the Creature tell to him quite aptly; he's posting, he's town, he's not posting, he

might

be scum.

And the guilty?
Was claimed by fucking Flavor Leaf.

Tell me with a straight face that you actually fucking believe for one fucking second that Flavor fucking Leaf. Is not. fakeclaiming.

You can't because this isn't your first fucking game with Boonskiies and his various accounts.

[mastina]

Oh look
Jjh got guiltied so he’s angry and posting in thread a lot suddenly
Don’t tell me thats not scum its definitely scum

Counterpoint: a guiltied scum-jjh posts

less

.

So.

Yes I will fucking say that jjh isn't scum.

[mastina]

@PB - I think it's more likely JJH was targeted for a night kill and got recruited considering the day was so fast prior.

Yeah no.
jjh is not a scum nightkill this game ever.

You could argue he was nightkilled N1 I guess if you stretch it; he was active D1 and only dropped off on D2 onwards.

But past then? Fuck no.

[mastina]

i literally
Do not care
At all

Yes and mislynching a town player because of a stupendously obvious fakeclaim is sure a way to begin to care, right?

[mastina]

YOU ARE NOT GETTING JJH BEFORE ALCH, I REPEAT, YOU ARE NOT GETTING JJH BEFORE ALCH.

PREACH!

[mastina]

Implies I'm on the right track though

Yeah fwiw I'd vote either of the scumbutts who just voted me, preferentially in reverse order, but I'm guessing there's not enough time or people who agree with me today

the entire scumteam voted me consecutively

I think one of them was even a traitor

he literally basically told them.

Yeah no.

That's not traitor breadcrumbs.

Don't pretend they are.

[mastina]

A) I always withhold parts of my role until they’re relevant. Solar Flare’s a 1-shot Ability that reflexively roleblocks anyone who targets me and I used it last Night since after Cheeky died I was the only claimed PR aside from the lurk sack Masons. I couldn’t use it N1.

[mastina]

LOL LOOK AT THAT CLAIM HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAHAHAAAHA

Yeah.

It's pretty self-evidently bullshit.

Just like Flavor Leaf's.

Which is why we fucking lynch Alchemist who has been caught fucking scum since D3 and not jjh who is WAY out of his scumrange.

[mastina]

scum deserve to win.

Only if Flavor Leaf's town.

But hard to argue with that to be honest given I think precisely that. (I mean. He

could

be scum fakeclaiming. I just think this is him fakeclaiming as town.)

[mastina]

IF YOU'RE NOT FLAVOR LEAF AND YOU DON'T VOTE ALCH RIGHT NOW YOU'LL GET ROLEBLOCKED NEXT NIGHT BABYEEEE

Pretty much, yeah!

[mastina]

pink ball is hard protecting his buddy right now.

I'd be more inclined to think you're hard protecting Alchemist.

[mastina]

I literally have a freakin' Traitor result. This is a CONFIRMED guilty.

Sure would be if it weren't a shitty ass fakeclaim!

Too bad it's a shitty ass fakeclaim and you're fucking mislynching town.

You do not have anything proving that that is the reason that there was no kill.

How about the fact that Pink Ball scumread Alchemist21 D1 and used a bulletproof N1 meaning he was a probable N1?

How about the fact that Alchemist21 claimed to be Krillin a character who prominently uses Ki, and the scum nightkills have used ki?
How about the fact that Pink Ball roleblocked Alchemist21 after this and that night there was no Ki nightkill?

How about we not violate occam's razor and go for the simplest explanation for actions?

Rather than some hypothetical theoretical non-proven role to have MAYBE, POSSIBLY cause the scum nightkill to fail.

It fucking failed because the scum performing it was fucking roleblocked?

[mastina]

Everyone’s trying to call buddies and I’m just trying to lynch lying scum.

I'm trying to lynch CONFIRMED scum.

You're trying to lynch obvtown that you think you need to fakeclaim a guilty on in order to get a lynch--and you're right; you do need to fakeclaim a guilty in order to get a lynch there...because it's on a player that is fucking obvtown.