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[Auro]

I only read half of D5.
Down to sheep PB/FL.

VOTE: Alchemist21

[Auro]

VOTE: Mastina

[Auro]

^ If anyone wanna play with VCA

Thanks!

[Auro]

@Auro - I just need a yes or no.

Do you have a clear on flippyNips?

Nope

[Auro]

Hey Flavor can you give me a tl;dr of the targets, etc that led to your analysis? Too lazy to read the whole game.

[Auro]

Anything else significant happen in the 170ish pages?

[Auro]

Jay can you just claim?

[Auro]

I jest not!

[Auro]

Let's not rush a lynch if you're planning to lynch me tomorrow - a mislynch now would mean game loss if 3v7, let's take our time.

[Auro]

Should I claim?

[Auro]

Are we assuming 3v7? Fine with flipping Alch today, Auro tomorrow.

Auro was Creature right? Yeah I like flipping Alch and Auro then

@Flippy

[Auro]

Has there been any post restriction mechanic this game?
I'm trying to figure out why Mastina wasn't saying anything instead of claiming town neighbor and fighting her lynch.
Elsa, did you know Mastina couldn't post? Why didn't you make a claim at that point?

[Auro]

I know, but I'd expect someone like Mastina to vigorously defend her lynch and write walls on who she thinks scum are... No?

[Auro]

OK, lose then. I'm going back afk. Good luck, idiots.

Any reason you don't wanna discuss the bullets thing pre MyLo?

[Auro]

Any reason you wouldn't want to specify the reasons you don't want to talk about the demon bullets?

[Auro]

I think he "demon shot" someone else D1 but Alch claimed it, or something like that - so Panzer thinks there's a redirector.

EFN, what was your claim?

[Auro]

I'm a conditional doc/JK.
If I have >1000 power I can use my first action, a Jailkeep.
If I have >2000 power I can use my second action, a Protect.
I gain 1000 power every night.

Creature/Clem whoever never used the night action.
I protected FL the night I joined. I forgot to send in an action last night.

[Auro]

panzer is town

Really? With all the demon stuff it seemed like he'd be 3P.

[Auro]

thats fine, you're cop cleared

Is anyone else cleared? Who was cop?

[Auro]

Panzer, if I was the consensus Lynch for tomorrow and we mislynched today, that would lose the game. I wasn't too fond of claiming, but meh.

How is Cafe soft cleared?

[Auro]

Xtoxm can you run me through why you think you and Panzer are solid?

[Auro]

I read your claim. I'm not convinced that it can't be a fakeclaim for group scum.

[Auro]

The outcome wouldn't matter to you as long as you're not lynched, right? Why do you want to help then?

Need to process. Is there really a mechanical 1v1 between Alch and PB? I don't see why a reflexive roleblock makes PB a liar when he says he roleblocked Alch.

I'll have to read parts of the game closer and note stuff down. I'll try doing it tonight.

[Auro]

Jay, who do you wanna lynch again? Can you uh, towncase yourself?

[Auro]

X, if Jay flips town would you lynch Panzer tomorrow?

[Auro]

Hey Alch, explain the mechanical conflict between you and PB?

[Auro]

How'd you infer he's vengeful? Oh, maybe he can venge targets with demon bullets? Hmm.

I have to evaluate stuff from scratch. What do you recommend, given 200 pages before I replaced in?

[Auro]

read the game, auro

Gahhh 200 pages and 8-day deadline!

[Auro]

I don’t think Town would have 2 different types of Roleblockers. Do you think I’m wrong?

In a large game with some 17 roles, is it too surprising to have a double instance of a role - given they're styled differently too?

[Auro]

Depends on the power of the role. I know Krazy did 2 Bulletproof roles in a game before but a roleblocker is a bit stronger than that.

You claimed "reflexive roleblocker" in that you roleblock anyone who targets you, yes? Is that equivalent to ascetic?

[Auro]

No reason to believe the claim on Tet could be false, yes?
From what I've read, Cafe Stile seems pretty obv town.

[Auro]

Elsa if he was faking a guilty just to get a lynch, why would he fake one on you, instead of a slot that's harder to lynch for scum?

[Auro]

No need to be mean.

[Auro]

Flippy you still think Panz is scum?

[Auro]

{Auro, Tet}
{Panzer, Cafe Stile}
{FL, PB} -- Null
{Elsa Jay, Flippy, Alch}

{Xtox} neutral 3P

[Auro]

Really? Convince me on Alch scum.

[Auro]

Ah, right, I overlooked that. FL goes a tier up.
Not seeing any solid reason PB's above null?

[Auro]

I'd just default putting you at Null, Flavor Leaf.

[Auro]

Is Alchemist+Elsa a combination you can rule out?
Panzer effectively has a guilty on Jay - do you agree he should be the lynch today?

[Auro]

Yeah, Alch gives me the same "slimy" vibes from my StarCraft game with him.
We however have a mechanical 1v1 here.

[Auro]

Yes, he's Disloyal FV, so basically a cop.
Maybe the "demon" flavor for the bullet made you think he's 3P?

The 5 deaths thing has been accounted for, right? Scum kill, an SK, a Vig, Xtox's win-con, what's the other one?

[Auro]

Maximum players leaving the game in a single night: I believe the theoretical maximum number of players who could leave the game in a single night is 5 but I believe this is a fairly unlikely scenario

X's definitely counts. Leaving the game, not killed.

[Auro]

I *think* there's one more 3P to account for.

[Auro]

Why, does Panzer's claim bother you?
Cheeky conditional cop
FL one shot cop at one point
Panzer disloyal FV == effectively cop after one point

[Auro]

Oh my bad. You were nerfed after a scum flip, right?

[Auro]

No result is different from failure, right?

But, Alch said he received a bullet when Panzer seems to have sent it to someone else D1. There might have been some redirections happening then.

[Auro]

Oh yeah you did that too... Fuck

As in, "F$#@!, I'm caught scum"?

[Auro]

FL, so you redirected the bullet to Alch when you were targeted - right?
You mentioned you had a secondary condition for winning: would you leave the game if you successfully linked?

[Auro]

I’m not really paranoid of Auro really tbh

[Auro]

Jay's claim feels fake to me.

[Auro]

Jay, explain why Panzer's guilty on you if you think he's town.

[Auro]

He said it'd fail if he targets town, but it didn't when he targeted you.
So either you're scum, or he's lying which makes him scum.

Which is it?

[Auro]

What went on in your neighborhood the day of the Mastina Lynch?

[Auro]

Well Jay's saying he's Survivor, not town, to be fair

[Auro]

A hunter/hunted like situation, which would also fit the 4 third party claims.

Doubt this. This would mean both leaving which would make it a theoretical 6 in one night.

[Auro]

Tet let's take some time before we vote?

[Auro]

I’m a cop.
I couldn’t use my ability n1
Wasn’t around for n2 so didn’t get to use it.
N3 checked mastina I got no result
N4 checked alch he’s mafia aligned

Lmao

[Auro]

You serious never full claimed to Mastina? Hmm.

[Auro]

Oooo. VOTE: Flippy even better.

See, that's why I told you to wait.

[Auro]

Hey Godfather Tet, what's up?

[Auro]

Well, at least it fits with how he's pushed Alch today.
Are there no nerfs or restrictions to your role, NippyFlips?

[Auro]

Meh, ISO also says he was absent during the Mastina lynch.

[Auro]

Nips, do the other cop claims not bother you? Don't they feel like a bit much?

[Auro]

Oh so you can only check for high power levels. What about age? What other restrictions did you have?
Cheeky was asking people for flavor so she could have a reliable check. Did flavor inform your decisions too?

[Auro]

What was your xtoxm result?

[Auro]

... 2 and 3 are both failures? The hell?

On his part. Didn't submit an action.

[Auro]

Go into every specific please.

[Auro]

Wtf
You know there was already a flipped SK, right?

[Auro]

Is EFN just trying to save Jay if Jay's ascetic strongman? :thonk:

[Auro]

So Xtox, why did you keep holstering all this time?

[Auro]

Oh wait hmm it does check out then

[Auro]

Nah I can see it as him forgetting and jumbling things up, to be honest.

[Auro]

He has a guilty on you, so... Yes?

[Auro]

No seriously, how the hell are you coming up with me and flippy being partners?

Bus bus baby

[Auro]

Wouldn't Flippy be the better lynch if either alignment confirms different scum?

[Auro]

I'm gonna take a lot more time to decide, Jay I'm not rushing anything.

[Auro]

Flippy directly contradicts panzers claim. We Lynch flippy and on a scum flip Alch is confirmed and Elsa is confirmed scum. Town flip and Alch+panzer are confscum and Elsa is pretty much cleared.

What am I missing - what makes Elsa clear and Panzer confscum on a town flip?

[Auro]

Irregardless isn't a word

Please just irregard Mr Grammer Nazi here.

[Auro]

I thought his loyal modifier kicked in after the Alch bullet.
Yeah I know I was being ironic, using the wrong word for "disregard"

[Auro]

And no, "irregardless" is mentioned as a non-standard synonym - so it's a bit redundant and chunky, but not incorrect.

[Auro]

Irregardless, this discussion is redundant. Let's get back to the game!

[Auro]

it's unlikely he's bussing right now in particular unprompted

Unless he's the Strongman FL is informed about.

[Auro]

Can someone walk me through why Panzer is confirmed scum on a town flippy flip?

After I hit a certain power level, my ability can* hit town. Otherwise, demon bullets actually do jackshit. Technically, elsa could be 3p, but...yeah, look at the reaction and we already have 1 confirm 3p and 1 likely 3p.

He's not. Tet was incorrect. Alch was N1 and hence very likely before the threshold was hit.

[Auro]

Let's not quicklynch Alchemist, let's use our time to figure out his buddies.

[Auro]

Why was PB the night kill, as opposed to confirmed town such as Tet?

[Auro]

Flavor, what do you think of X?

[Auro]

Auro was Creature right? Yeah I like flipping Alch and Auro then

Because there's a big fat chance that Flavor is scum

This could be relevant to the NK. I'm not scum.
Flavor, why do you think PB said this?

[Auro]

If you were hypothetically scum, how much of a threat would you find PB to be?

[Auro]

Why, does Panzer's claim bother you?
Cheeky conditional cop
FL cop till scum check
Panzer loyal FV == effectively cop after one point

Given Flip flipped town, I would argue that both of {FL, Panzer} claims cannot come from town.

Am I correct?

[Auro]

Why is Elsa not scum? What makes you believe there are 2 scum and not 3?

[Auro]

Panzer, have you sent a demon bullet successfully to someone?

[Auro]

There's one point of evidence for X being not-SK.
X, please full-claim and no gambits this time.

[Auro]

Panzer could have known his buddy Alchemist ended up with his Demon bullet.

Is there early game evidence that supports this?

[Auro]

Jesus I am not into this game at all. Kill me dudes.

Tet, if you're not going to gamesolve, please unvote while the rest of us try.

[Auro]

If you were hypothetically scum, how much of a threat would you find PB to be?

Flavor, could you answer this?

[Auro]

You answered why PB thought you were scum, not whether you'd find him a threat as scum - unless I missed it, in which case quote?

How would you explain the PB NK? My other theory is that scum's preparing for the loss of their strongman (if you're correct)

[Auro]

You performed them?

[Auro]

Alch how active was X in the scum PT?

[Auro]

Alch I think it's still useful to figure out if Xtoxm is SK or not if he's not scum, since both of us can't win in that case - inputs?

[Auro]

I realized he was a bad lynch and wanted to come post in thread not to quickhammer, but you guys lynched him. ;-;

[Auro]

Panzer, why do you think it's dumb for town to lynch Alchemist?

[Auro]

Xtoxm you have no abilities of any form? Just Survivor and passive Miller and what else?

[Auro]

Oh. Damnit we lose then.

[Auro]

Xtoxm I know you'll win by no lynching right now but please help town?

[Auro]

I think I've tried fairly when I repped in.

[Auro]

Xtoxm is confirmed survivor at this point I think - as placing a NL vote as scum would out him if it didn't get to 4 votes.

X, Jay should be the strongman I think - we'll kill him, and I'll doc you.

[Auro]

town hadnt fake claimed masons with scum

I have no idea why people keep pulling this crap.

[Auro]

Elsa, can I appeal to you on the grounds that it's less fun just winning directly now, instead of making town have to figure out who the last scum is?

[Auro]

If any of you have some fancy day voteblock or dayvig ability, use it urgently.

[Auro]

Hey it's not about morals, Jay. It's about winning in style. This win is boring.

[Auro]

Who was the last? FL, I'm guessing?

[Auro]

You could try appealing to me. I had a certain post planned for after my hammer that I now don’t get to use.

Cool, I'm appealing to you.

[Auro]

X, it would be real funny if you unvoted, had the last scum vote and try to convince you, and let us win.

[Auro]

X, it would be real funny if you unvoted, had the last scum vote and try to convince you, and let us win.

You still have a guaranteed winning path, right? Unless scum threaten to NK you if you don't NL now, although NKing you takes away the same win path the next day. Hmm.

[Auro]

Yussss.
In exchange for unvoting, I'll drive a lynch on Elsa instead. How's that?

[Auro]

hey auro hammer this so we can get moving? you can resume appealing to me tomorrow

p-ed
aight

Lol, Xtoxm, I know I suck at Mafia but I'm not that dumb xD

[Auro]

Okay, I guess FL's online now

[Auro]

Xpl0xm

[Auro]

Well, at least I was catching FL today

[Auro]

I should've been in this game earlier.

[Auro]

You probably should've listened to Panzer tbh.

Well, town apparently LOOOOVES to YOLO quicklynch, mangle claims, fake confirm scum neighbors as Masons...

[Auro]

Well, at least I was catching FL today

Nah I’m town

Nah I caught you. :3

[Auro]

Lmao

[Auro]

If FlippyNips was a bit more thorough with the claim, it could've screwed you guys over though.

[Auro]

How come Alch scum always slips by?

[Auro]

I think if towns maintain some discipline, avoids rapid lynches, and avoids wild gambits (like mason claiming your scum neighbour) scum would have a harder time lolwinning

[Auro]

Mastina, why would you expect us to believe you were town because "scum Mastina never gives up"?
If you had fought the lynch, there's a good chance people would've moved off you.