Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[Nero Cain]

- Nero Cain has not picked up his role PM and has about 21 hours to do so before he gets replaced.

I'm trying so hard to pick it up but every time I try to my hand hits the monitor. HALP!

[Nero Cain]

just confirming you know alts aren’t allowed to be newbs.

sure they are. We all started out as newbs. Alts can't be in newbie games as anything other than IC or SE though.

let's kill that fake miller claim.

VOTE: Cinnamon

[Nero Cain]

Pika is a very high-ranking member on this site so let's ignore that.

still a silly gimmick alt. I'll hammer him @ L-1

[Nero Cain]

I don't understand why I'm a miller and

something else.

[Nero Cain]

So cinn is hard claiming a scum pr or town pr with a miller mod.

[Nero Cain]

but if you are a miller and something else then miller is modifying that role. but its not a super important point rn. What's your mafia experience? Do you play on another site b4 coming here or is this your first time?

[Nero Cain]

w/e. mod, two roles put together. They accomplish the same thing so fuck nomenclature.

[Nero Cain]

Yeah if I'm forced to reveal my role I'll explain why I was confused there.

no point in claiming unless you are about to get lynched and its to save your life. If you are town keep scum wondering and have them burn an invest/kill you.

[Nero Cain]

Should I sheep you on the righteous teacher wagon then?

[Nero Cain]

Do you think cinn is scum?

Cinnamon (3): Vorkuta, Flubbernugget, Nero Cain

Any non dumb questions for me?

[Nero Cain]

but you're acting like cinn is experienced and he's not.

your whole reason for thinking Cinn is b/c you think he'd have his claim in order right?

[Nero Cain]

I don't understand why I'm a miller and

something else.

Why’d you jump in?
Why’d you chop it so it looks like me speaking?

b/c Nom didn't understand why ppl were saying the miller was a modifier. Why should I not have clarified that for him? I am not sure why it shows you as quoting Cinns words. I prob quoted something wrong but is that even important?

[Nero Cain]

We listen to comrade Vork!

[Nero Cain]

We send bunny to gulag now, yes?

da

[Nero Cain]

He's asking you if you have proof which you obviously don't. I think we are the only two town in this setup.

[Nero Cain]

Nope, only me and comrade Vork are town.

[Nero Cain]

Who do you think is scum, cinnabunny?

[Nero Cain]

comrade vork seems to be

b orhe

. Must use fire extinguisher.

[Nero Cain]

Who do you think is scum, cinnabunny?

[Nero Cain]

What do you think of me?

[Nero Cain]

Cinnamon (3):

Vorkuta, Flubbernugget, Nero Cain

teacher (1):

u r a person 2

u r a person 2 (1):

teacher

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu

EvilDeanius (1):

nomnomnom

No Lynch (1):

Cinnamon

Not Voting (5):

NerfedBuJ, skitter30, Saladman27, Dunnstral, EvilDeanius

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

I'm not sure Nero, you're asking questions but to me I don't see where your head is at yet.

I only let ppl really close to me watch me on webcam but you'll have to trust me that my head is on my shoulders.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not sure Nero, you're asking questions but to me I don't see where your head is at yet.

I only let ppl really close to me watch me on webcam but you'll have to trust me that my head is on my shoulders.

I misrepped myself. my head is on my neck which is connected to my shoulders.

[Nero Cain]

vote me then cute little rodent.

[Nero Cain]

teach me Russian.

[Nero Cain]

huh, that's neat. It's also above the arctic circle. Man, I'd love to get out of the hot weather here.

[Nero Cain]

And as an aside, I don't think that trying to case every post from someone is an effective way to push a read. I think it makes it harder to get people to join you lol

then how else would you get someone to sheep you?

[Nero Cain]

but no one worth a grain of salt should be sheeping a reasonless case.

[Nero Cain]

Why are you drinking...at home...alone? If so, seems kinda sad.

[Nero Cain]

If i told you it could actually get sadder would you believe me

try me. let me be your virtual bartender.

[Nero Cain]

he's just an unenlightened westerner.

[Nero Cain]

all but Skitter has checked in. Let's get this show on the road.

VOTE: u r a person 2

[Nero Cain]

But I think VOTE: nero cain is a better bet for scum flip

I have a 0% chance of flipping scum though.

[Nero Cain]

EVERYTHINGS COMING APART AT THE SEAMS!

[Nero Cain]

Why do you even think im scum?

[Nero Cain]

Okay nero why are you kind of weird this game?

im not?

What's with the Russian, and the bolded words/sentences?

Vork and I will be doing a hydra called communist bloc.

Why do you have an unnatural attachment to vorkuta this game?

I don't? I mean, I consider him my friend and I'm town reading him and the Russian flavor is just us goofing off but ok.

Why did you agree with his push and vote for cinnamon?

I can understand his play perfectly. I'm also not voting cinna anymore so....

[Nero Cain]

Urap was friendly but kinda useless

isn't that a good reason to think he's scum?

[Nero Cain]

In my experience

Joined: March 23, 2019




Claiming miller d1 is standard around here. I get where Vork is coming from that scum have used fake miller gambits b4 but I don't think Cinn is the d1 lynch here.




URAP2 seems the scummist so I'm voting him and I invite you capitalist pigs to sheep your better.

[Nero Cain]

DP is also not a bad vote.

[Nero Cain]

I don't really think that comes from scum though.

[Nero Cain]

kinda feel like scum are

urap
teacher
dp

[Nero Cain]

Who said that was even why I was scum reading you?

[Nero Cain]

I feel like shade is more lightly calling someone scum or encouraging others to scum read X but not doing any heavy lifting themselves. RN, I feel like you are scum. Am I wrong? Maybe. Am I right? Maybe.

[Nero Cain]

b/c no one listens to you

[Nero Cain]

y do you think urap is town?

[Nero Cain]

he was. The only slight thing that makes me wary is this kinda fast unopposed wagon (well teacher kinda opposed)

[Nero Cain]

right so im just gonna spill what I've been thinking. Its prob wrong anyways so...

[Nero Cain]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

u r a person 2 (2):

teacher, Nero Cain

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

Cinnamon (1):

Vorkuta

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu

Vorkuta(1):

Dunnstral

NerfedBuj (1):

nomnomnom

nomnomnom (1):

u r a person 2

Nero Cain (1):

NerfedBuJ

Not Voting (4):

skitter30, Saladman27, EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

- skitter30 has not picked up her role PM but is also v/la until Tuesday 6/11. She has until Tuesday EOD to confirm before she gets replaced.

Flavor:

Spoiler: Good night Cali!

I'm like really lazy and I don't want to go back and quote multiple VC's although it'll prob prove my point better.

So I started the game scum reading urap. (yes, my cinnabunny push was fake and I just wanted to see what happened.)

For awhile teacher and urap were cross voting and sitting on each other with urap only getting off to delay OMGUS his voter.

My initial response was "these guys are scum together"

As you can see teacher is still sitting on urap despite

Urap

and cinnamon are town.

So he's being shit with his vote.

I don't understand why I'm a miller and

something else.

Why’d you jump in?
Why’d you chop it so it looks like me speaking?

this is mainly for Nom and I know he's not Bob but this IS similar to the same thing Bob did. Could this be a newbie scum tell?

Woah, jump from TR to vote is pretty aggro and illogical. Care to explain?

I also did not like his light defense of the urap wagon.

Similarly, I don't like how DP is sitting on an empty slot.

I am p sure that thier/doubters defences will be "its p9! and there's nothing strong to go on." but thats how I feel rn.

[Nero Cain]

this is mainly for Nom and I know he's not Bob but this IS similar to the same thing Bob did. Could this be a newbie scum tell?

You mean the thing where he doesn't pay attention to the game and shows that he blatantly doesn't follow the thread? That's what Bob did by pushing Sky and putting a misread claim in his reasons to do so.

Then again the circumstances were different.

I was talking about the time where I edited one of his posts to just include the relevant portion of his quote and he was all like "why you'd do that?!?"

What do you think of my scumreading teacher and DP for being useless with their votes?

[Nero Cain]

Pika hasn't said anything relevant so far (100% fluff) so idk

isn't that at least a slight cause for concern?

[Nero Cain]

I'd also argue that 33, 75 and 208 are game relevant posts

[Nero Cain]

Can't we all just get along and lynch teacher or DP?

[Nero Cain]

neither has skitter

but the difference is that Skitter is not here and is v/la. DP is here and active lurking.

[Nero Cain]

honestly? You both pale in comparison to the length and girth of my...ego.

[Nero Cain]

it's only personal if you are offended by the truth.

[Nero Cain]

lololololololoololololololololol


oh I wasn't supposed to laugh was I?

[Nero Cain]

TBF, what your quoting isn't even my main reason for scum reading him.

[Nero Cain]

like maybe it's premature to scum read Teacher for being useless with his vote but that has nothing to do with "personality". It's either 100% scum not throwing his vote around or lazy useless town.

[Nero Cain]

idk how I feel

[Nero Cain]

nero's scumread on pikachu was the strongest.

Was it? not the guy I'm voting or teacher? TBF, the order doesn't matter to me but I kind of think urap2 and teacher are deff scum here.

teacher's last post kinda freaked me out. I'm not very used to a guy that I'm scum reading saying that he liked my post. We'll see what he does tonight.

[Nero Cain]

I wonder when Skitter and Teacher get here

[Nero Cain]

The case on pikachu is stronger objectively and much more clearly specific to this game.

I don't know if there was enough in Nero's iso to even call it a case??

A "case" is just a reason or a set of reasons. I'm scumreading him b/c he's sitting on an empty slot. Its a safe place to vote and you don't risk angering an OMGUS's town. What are even your reasons for scum reading anyone?

[Nero Cain]

but I'm town and my goal is to scum hunt. Scum being careful and cautious with their vote is a thing.

[Nero Cain]

someone pm the backup mod, this one is bad

[Nero Cain]

what don't you like about nero?

The way he was following along with Vorkuta and voting the miller/pr claim

Do you not believe me when I said my push was fake?

but even if it wasn't why would it be scummy to push a miller claim?

Im here, Nero's town.

ok, who is scum?

he has a playstyle that i don't find naturally easy to read, i will admit, but all in all i think he's town here

ppl complain about my "playstyle" but I don't see what's wrong with it and no one really tells me what bothers them.

[Nero Cain]

I'll reread Vork but my only kinda niggle was so receptive to my trolling and buddying of him. But I don't really like the wagon and Teachers hop on him.

[Nero Cain]

wut id urap is just scum that knows Vork is town?

[Nero Cain]

Why am I null, SP?

[Nero Cain]

do not confuse for scumreads

this is also odd language...

[Nero Cain]

Sure, why not? I think p much everyone has a read on me but you.

What do you think of my content?

[Nero Cain]

but I also don't feel like I have enough of a grip

So why didn't you ask me anything or interact with me if you felt that way?

Also, why is my urap push interesting but you don't even know my reasons?

[Nero Cain]

Do you think nullreading you is scummy of me?

Sure I guess. It does give you the flexibility to vote me anytime you need to. But mostly it's just weird since I'm the 2nd highest poster but I don't have enough content to be a read? I mean sure, I have some fluff posts but my fluff to content ratio is relatively low so I'm not sure why you are struggling so much.

I was also scum reading you and was surprised that wasn't even worth a mention.

[Nero Cain]

where have you even seen scum fake-claim miller 3 different tiems? i don't think i've ever seen that?

In 3 different games
*sighs* at this point I'm arguing just for the sake of arguing I swear

-FL, NK's 2058 Large

triggered really hard

-awestfie, BTXI
-ruirui/fumiki/funaki/whoeverreplaced, NC's 2070 Mini Normal

Do you want exact links with post numbers and quotes?

What do you think of this Nero?

I don't really understand, Whats important or scummy about arguing about tow fakeclaiming miller?

[Nero Cain]

the fuck if I know. Go read it if you want to find out but why would scum lie about that anyways?

[Nero Cain]

Time to boost my activity with my shitty reads!
Vork

Town	Buj, skitter, Dunn
Townlean	Cinn, nom, teach
Neutral	Nero, Flubber, Deanius, Urap
Scumlean
Scum

Feel free to ask me anything about my reads and how shitty they are.

do you uh, have any reasons?

How come Nero didn't realize that Vorkuta brought up the game he modded that had a real miller in it when trying to show off scum fake claims?

Why was this important to me? Why did you expect me to remember?

go back to rome, noob.

I also might add that it adds up to NC's earlier argument for a teacher scumread that his vote served no true purpose and was a placeholder so yeah, this is definitely the kind of thing that catches my attention

but why is this so different from DP b/c FMPOV they are equally responsible for sitting on placeholder votes.

[Nero Cain]

Well, I don't so I'm going to ignore your town read and if he gets ran up he gets ran up. You will not stop me!

[Nero Cain]

Also, welcome nero!

I've been here the whole time?

[Nero Cain]

I was busy watching TV. Are you gonna starting posting your reasons?

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, there was 4 pages between your posts...

OH NOES! What a hardcore lurker am I?

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, which read you want explained first? I do this one by one.

it doesn't matter b/c I want them all explained but I like to hear about myself so do me first. Then alphabetically.

[Nero Cain]

technically it was Hulu but all the same 2 me.

[Nero Cain]

but I made my teacher case b4 you null read me. What changed?

[Nero Cain]

but she's so small and fits perfectly!

[Nero Cain]

WTF is dabbing and why is it popular today?

[Nero Cain]

...............................................


why is that a thing?

[Nero Cain]

man, either skitter can read me like a book or she's reverse pocketed me.

[Nero Cain]

urap is going nowhere.

VOTE: teacher


I like that better than vork

[Nero Cain]

wow, that was convenient. I vote right b4 a VC.

[Nero Cain]

We already know Dunn is dumb, move on.

[Nero Cain]

saladman reads are pretty townie overall i think

His first set of reads or his second? or both?

[Nero Cain]

kool, I wasn't really hard scum reading that guy anyways. Let's lynch Teacher.

[Nero Cain]

I’m on a roll

but I like my rolls with butter on them not Ofrhz

[Nero Cain]

Do you have any original opinions?

[Nero Cain]

skitter, you gonna be around 4 a bit?

[Nero Cain]

ok I will hurry

[Nero Cain]

ok so, most of teacher's ISO feels like fluff to me. There's some mechanical talk and an early town read on cinnabunny but he doesn't really start doing anything until I call him out on p9.


At this point he lightly 360 calls Vork scum, but kinda fence sits on him 368, joins the wagon after three others

kinda leaves the door open to scumread salad 385 and

388

by this time he's town reading you and Buj as well. Basically he's town reading anyone that's a strong player. (although I just think urap is his scum buddy) and his not strong scum leans are a whole bunch of potential ML bait.

01. nomnomnom
02. Cinnamon
03. NerfedBuJ
04. skitter30
05. u r a person 2
09. Nero Cain

06. Saladman27
08. Dunnstral
10. EvilDeanius
11. Detective Pikachu
12. Flubbernugget
13. Vorkuta

I'm sorry, but this just feels so much like a scum strat.Why is he town again?

[Nero Cain]

Where exactly do I scum Dunn and DP? You’re just wrong there.

Am I? I'm taking liberties here b/c you aren't talking about everyone but I could see scum you avoiding talking about players so you can scum read them later.

[Nero Cain]

Why is Dunn town? Why is DP town?

[Nero Cain]

Why are you sitting on flubb if Dean/Flubber is your highest scum read now? or are you not on Vork?

Why do you not town read nom and why were you ok sheeping him earlier?

[Nero Cain]

i dunno what that means.

[Nero Cain]

but what if Vork is town?

[Nero Cain]

I mean there's blink 182 that has a hot nurse in their vids but that's not 80's. There's Whitesnake that had a girl dancing on a car in a video that I thought you were talking about earlier.

[Nero Cain]

Who is town reading Skitter? Like, yes, I know town can be wrong. It's possible that I'm wrong about Teacher but isn't there the slightest possibility that she's just scum?

[Nero Cain]

But I posted because I saw a growing wagon on an early miller claim which is a bad strategy imo to lynch miller claims day 1. I townread cinnamon which made it even worse as a push. What was particularly concerning is that it looked like it had real potential to grow because it was being pushed by nero who has a substantial amount of influence in games on average. I had no idea at the time he was fake pushing. I felt at the time that it was urgent enough to warrant publicly opposing the wagon.
I'm not really a watch from afar kind of player.

@Nero does it make sense to you that Buj would think that you could have pushed through a lynch on cinn during early D1?

I guess? Like if it was something that I actually believed in I would have pushed much harder and more passionately. So yeah, I think it's possible I could have gotten him lynched. Now if he's scum then maybe not b/c I wouldn't be getting those 3 sheep votes from scum. Is this a scum slip from Bug?

[Nero Cain]

Something about the way that he pushed me early in the game seemed off. It didn't really feel like he was trying to figure out my alignment.

So you don't believe me when I said it was a fake push?

I don't think that being 'lazy with your vote' is a great reason to read somebody as scummy.

but he himself said it seemed towny and game solvey.

towns #1 weapon is his/her voice and vote. He wasn't using either (at the time I called him out) Why is suspecting a guy, who's not scumhunting, of being scum such an invalid push?

[Nero Cain]

Wich scum switched to you?

[Nero Cain]

Who is town reading Skitter? Like, yes, I know town can be wrong. It's possible that I'm wrong about Teacher but isn't there the slightest possibility that she's just scum?

say this again? i'm not following the connection ur drawing between me and teacher

It's really simple. You are kinda....fence sitting on him and FMPOV it wouldn't be impossible that you're his scum buddy.

I looked and there's not alot in your iso about him.

You called his 333 weird but not scummy.

And as far as I can tell you just kinda null read him. And then when I made my case you were are like "nope, not convincing"

Can you talk about your feelings on him?

[Nero Cain]

cat-like reflexes

[Nero Cain]

Who on the wagon scares you?

[Nero Cain]

Something about the way that he pushed me early in the game seemed off. It didn't really feel like he was trying to figure out my alignment.

So you don't believe me when I said it was a fake push?

I don't think that being 'lazy with your vote' is a great reason to read somebody as scummy.

but he himself said it seemed towny and game solvey.

towns #1 weapon is his/her voice and vote. He wasn't using either (at the time I called him out) Why is suspecting a guy, who's not scumhunting, of being scum such an invalid push?

[Nero Cain]

it was still on urap even though you were accusing teacher and DP.

I was accusing all 3 of them and I can only vote one @ a time.

[Nero Cain]

like

u r a person 2 (2): Nero Cain, Saladman27

here im sitting on the largest non-vork wagon

VOTE: teacher

I'm starting to think this is worth exploring actually.

and this is where the teacher wagon became a thing.

and I voted him

urap is going nowhere.

VOTE: teacher


I like that better than vork

So I "hesitated" to vote him for less than 24 hours.

[Nero Cain]

From this post it seemed like you were leaning towards these two more.

From what post?

I...thought/think urap was scum and besides the fake push on you I was always sitting on him before the teacher wagon exploded so I'm not really understanding your point.

[Nero Cain]

fterwards you talk about teacher and

urap

a bit but from this post I got that your focus had shifted

Why is only 281relevant to you but when I continue to talk about urap it doesn't matter?

[Nero Cain]

I would think that if you really were so in favor of a teacher wagon you would do something to that effect earlier.

I was "hesitating" remember? I mean, ok I hesitated for less than 24 hours. Teachers was useless with his vote for 3+ days. It's not at all the same and I'm not sure why you think the guy that was useless with his vote for less time is scummier than the guy sat on his "town read" for 3 days.

[Nero Cain]

Because past this point you talk about both teacher and urap roughly equally.

From this post I assumed that you wanted teacher and DP over urap,

from your own logic, why would I want DP if I stopped talking about him?

[Nero Cain]

but 281 proves you wanted Teacher over urap!.

just stop guy.

[Nero Cain]

sure.

What do you want me to say about him?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, you don't think the time should be a big factor here?

And there's also a difference between Teacher not being called out and me

CONSOLIDATING

As you said I've been vocal so you guys knew I'd eventually join there. Are >24 hours really that important?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, haven't you answered your own question?

I haven’t seen much solves from him.

I mean, I can run down his ISO later if ya want but I was thinking about giving the computer a break for the night.

[Nero Cain]

look at this player list! I didn't remember signing up at first, but I'm glad I did

I didn't like this friendly white knighting.

banters with Teach a lil' wich also didn't feel town.

i considered voting skitter, but chose teacher because I know that skitter vla's on weekends

I don't really want to engage with your claim or vote skitter because weekend, but I do want to play, and you're here

these are kinda wierd. I don't really understand why you was so worried about RVS voting her and the second quote is just ??? no one worth a grain of salt believes a n0 guilty so I'm not understanding "I don't want to engage" vs. "no way thats real so fuck off"

You should vote where your heart moves you to vote. When the time is right, and the person is right, you'll just know.

Didn't really like this responce to me asking if I should sheep him on Teacher. IDK if this post was the one that made me think they were cross voting scumbuddies or if I was already thinking that.

Why are there sad people when there's super convenient wifi

I have arrived

scummy entrance

feels like an experienced player's version of "hey guys!"

like, oh man I'm late to the thread again. time to present as confident

this was a lil' odd to b/c he's FINALLY calling someone scum but is still sitting on a RVS.

@nom I don't think I played a passive opening to this game. What are you talking about?

That's how it came across to me. I just didn't recognize your towngame.

VOTE: nom

show work please

this is kinda a delayed OMGUS vote but its kinda off b/c it seems like a pressure vote? Like Nom thought urap was scum for awhile and then started town reading him.

I am voting scum dude what are you on about

I just want you to show me how I've played a passive game

So he's offended that his game was being called passive? Does he think Nom is scum here?

not gona quote em all here but there's alot of Teacher defense going on here.

I mean I know we aren't svs so forgive me for discounting that bit

this felt odd. Why did he feel the need to specify that we aren't SvS? Are we SvT here and he's the scum in the equation?

So, unless I'm mistaken, his running total is a scum read on Flubb that he never voted, a maybe scum read on nom, a scum read on Buj that he's no longer voting and now he's joining an upstart dean wagon. Like, idk, he just feels so...his scum hunting feels so limited.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not understanding "I don't want to engage" vs. "no way thats real so fuck off"

I think if you read it, you'll see that I clearly knew it was false, but I was playing along anyway to be friendly. It's like when a child tells you about their imaginary friend. You say, that's nice dear and you ask them how school went.

but why did you care about being friendly with DP?

[Nero Cain]

and being friendly is a good thing.

for scum it is b/c ppl are less likely to want to vote "friendly" ppl. Towns goal is to gamesolve not make friends. I mean, you knew his guilty was fake and he knew his guilty was fake...I'm really not getting why you 2 needed to "be friendly"

[Nero Cain]

Why are Skitter and I null scum?

[Nero Cain]

how come you never called me out b4 now?

[Nero Cain]

how come you never called me out b4 now?

Why would I lol

b/c if you were town it would be doing your job?

[Nero Cain]

but if you were null scum reading me for pushing you and cinnabunny I don't see why a town you would not alert the rest of the town to something you felt was scummy.

[Nero Cain]

everyone thats not you 3?

all though im not as sold on flub and skitter

[Nero Cain]

I feel like he's scum's last-minute designated ML and I remember liking some of his posts.

[Nero Cain]

Why can't I nail the who scumteam in the first 200 posts?

I think I usually have some fairly accurate early reads

[Nero Cain]

that dodge of an answer simply preserves your flexibility.

What happened to you strong town reading me b/c this like giving yourself a chance to vote me whenever I become a viable ML.

[Nero Cain]

01. nomnomnom-I think nom is town, that break town when no one was sheeping him looked real
02. Cinnamon-is town by role
03. NerfedBuJ-this is not fleshed out at all and my history of correctly reading him is lowish but im also not hard scum reading him.
04. skitter30-not sold this is town
06. Saladman27-his posts are kinda bad but I'm not sold on that being scum. Kinda seems genuine though.
08. Dunnstral-this seems kinda like normal useess Dunn. Could be scum but weak town lean atm.
10. EvilDeanius-like his posts
12. Flubbernugget-not sold this is town
13. Vorkuta-town

[Nero Cain]

but I was voting urap and you never sheeped me then :/

[Nero Cain]

What do you like about it and what did you think of his responses?

[Nero Cain]

the worst is that I can already tell this is going to go nowhere and that I'm wasting my time

for fuck sake

Let me hope that for once my scumread is followed by a wagon and not ignored and laughed to death first thanks

mfw

I just wasted one hour and a half I hope you're happy

VOTE: teacher

I have more faith in this than a pika wagon.

[Nero Cain]

Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch

Why would scum pick town!vorkuta as a day 1 mislynch? I mean objectively speaking if you were scum here, wouldn't your mind go towards the more lurk-ish people, where it's easier to make a case on? Because that's definitely easier than to go against a player like vorkuta here.

Because you get the loud/good players out of the way early, so you can mislynch the lurky players later with little resistance. You always try to mislynch/kill those with thread presence early.

There's not alot there that I particularly dislike but there was a point where people seemed to start talking about him for lack of proper content, at which point he then switched to pushing on others who also hadn't done anything/alot. The timing just seems like a deflection to me, it seems off.

This is a good observation insofar as people pushing me for content when I don't really feel like doing things on day 1 tends to work, but I don't think it's a great reason to "gut" scumread me

Can you expand on your Vork townread (given you list him as TvT with nomnom)? That's been the basis for a good part of Dunn's iso so it would help me if you could comment on whether you see Dunn's push as townie if Vork town is one of your stronger/only reads.

Vork seems town because I feel like they would be more cautious about their pushes as scum. I don't think scum immediately attacks a miller claim in the way that they did, they just sort of let it sit for a while. They've also been very self assured of their pushes, and I think that comes with someone who cares more about lynching scum than just appearing townie.

[Nero Cain]

Why is urap a scumread 4 you?

[Nero Cain]

teacher (3):

nomnomnom, Nero Cain, NerfedBuJ

EvilDeanius (3):

Detective Pikachu, u r a person 2, teacher

Vorkuta (1):

Dunnstral

Flubbernugget (2):

Vorkuta, skitter30

Nero Cain (1):

Cinnamon

Not Voting (3):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget, Saladman27

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

Why did you say you'd sheep me if he's only your weakest townlean?

[Nero Cain]

I would actually like sheep you if you weren’t on me.

so I took this as you'd sheep urap if I changed to him.

Who all would you sheep me on?

[Nero Cain]

it does

[Nero Cain]

ok, I'm scummy but that doesn't make my pm red.

[Nero Cain]

but that's not even his case on me. He thinks I'm scum for not voting you right off the bat.

[Nero Cain]

557 is iioa, why do you think that is town indicative?

if you think that's IIOA then I don't think you know what IIOA is.

[Nero Cain]

like Vork is considered lynchbait and an EZ push. His wagon prob had scum on it.

[Nero Cain]

@DP

-whats your read on urap?

[Nero Cain]

y?

[Nero Cain]

Why is teacher null, Dp?

[Nero Cain]

But you guys already probably know that buj, nc, and salad have been binned yes?

I do not like being stuck in a bin. I needs my freedom.

[Nero Cain]

I'm just tunneling you and I think you are p likely to be POE scum but let's pretend I'm wrong. Who should I tunnel instead?

[Nero Cain]

That’s not answering my question. Ok you’re tunneled on me. Why?

yes, it is? FMPOV nothing has really changed. It may not be an answer you like but it still is one.

And now I', asking you questions.

Who should I tunnel instead? Who is the scum on your wagon? If you don't think there are any why do you think they haven't voted you?

[Nero Cain]

If being useless with vote is such a big deal for you, why are you resisting ED, who iirc has not voted all game?

being useful with your vote doesn't mean hop on the biggest bw just 'cause.

Which scum voted you?

[Nero Cain]

Right, but being useful with it does require, well, using it, no?

I mean you are tied for the lead wagon and I don't really want to vote Dean. How am I not using my vote?

[Nero Cain]

-NC should've been more conf!town but his presence really diminished with the game. I actually agree with him on a lot of things (surprise) and obviously my fellow comrade is going to be TR'd, but *tinfoil* that lack of scrutiny towards that slot and I felt like his momentum went slightly down after a strong start requires thinking.

I've been somewhat busy this weekend and it made me a little lazier than normal.

[Nero Cain]

hehehhehe

[Nero Cain]

I could be wrong about evil D but lurker lynching isn't the worst thing in the world.

[Nero Cain]

Got any reasons in your iso for scum reading ed, nero?

[Nero Cain]

I was calling ED town. I'm just tired of s1 and lynching a lurker s1 isn't the worlds worst thing.

[Nero Cain]

kinda funny 2 me that this is who I've been calling scum and they are all pushing the same wagon.

EvilDeanius (3): Detective Pikachu, u r a person 2, teacher

[Nero Cain]

skitter I feel like you should be townreading urap here, why are you struggling to do that?

Why do you think Skitter should?

[Nero Cain]

hot take, town are more likely to push a miller claim and scum are more likely to defend it.

[Nero Cain]

in my limited exp. with Shosin she's a lurksack as town so the hyperactivity means this is prob scum.

VOTE: shoshin

[Nero Cain]

now the question is who was I wrong about?

[Nero Cain]

Why are you ignoring the specific evidence that I hate playing scum & lurk even more as scum than town?

I have no such evidence and I haven't looked at any links or anything if they've been provided. I just know you were a town lurksack in RC's upick. You aren't being a lurksack here b/c ???

[Nero Cain]

I think Nero's probably scum. He's not trying to sort me in good faith. I highly doubt he believes what he's saying about me without at least reading my posts to see if they're towny/scummy.

just like Nom was town until he started pushing you. You OMGUS scum read that pushes you and its not town.

[Nero Cain]

I have 150+ posts in less than 24 hours. If this town can't see that I'm town, this game is lost.

that doesn't make you town at all.

[Nero Cain]

no no no, I'm saying she was way way way less active. So the hyperactivity seems really scummy to me.

[Nero Cain]

You shouldn't lynch me today. Give me a shot to find the scum. Lynch me tomorrow if my reads are wrong. Apply BoP.

this argument is really bad and looks like scum angling to be kept alive for a night. If we lynch not you today and the person you flip doesn't flip scum then you'll argue that just b/c you were wrong once it's not enough time to tell.

of course, you could be scum and bus so maybe its an offer we should think about?

[Nero Cain]

This is what you're ignoring. Why are you ignoring this?

its not ignoring if this is not the experience I'm citing.

[Nero Cain]

b/c that requires effort.

[Nero Cain]

Cinn is just OMGUS scum reading me from earlier. I mean maybe he believes in his "but Nero didn't vote Teacher ASAP when the wagon appeared" but he's wrong. Let's lynch Shosin.

[Nero Cain]

The way he's pushing my lynch doesn't seem like something he'd do as town.

Why not?

[Nero Cain]

I think I would like the sho lynch more if nom hadn't started pinging me just a little bit, but uhh, I also recognize that my 'pace' in deciding things like this tends to be a lot slower than most town are okay with

I'm going to tell you again.

This never flips cop. If it does, I will literally self vote tomorrow.

[Nero Cain]

@Nero

You're ignoring the vast majority of evidence to push an entirely made-up story that I lurk more as town than scum. Would you do this as town?

It wasn't something I was ignoring b/c it's no something that I was aware of and thus it's impossible for me to ignore. But its not why I'm pushing you now so you can take your manipulative pressure point statement to the dead thread.

[Nero Cain]

scum is sho, skitter and dp?

[Nero Cain]

vote Shoshin, comrade

[Nero Cain]

I think I would like the sho lynch more if nom hadn't started pinging me just a little bit, but uhh, I also recognize that my 'pace' in deciding things like this tends to be a lot slower than most town are okay with

I'm going to tell you again.

This never flips cop. If it does, I will literally self vote tomorrow.

[Nero Cain]

Is urap saying something I agree with?

[Nero Cain]

and teacher saying something I like? WTF is this?

[Nero Cain]

whats a reacted cop?

[Nero Cain]

He's straight-up making up a story

no I'm not. lol b/c A.) It's a true statement and B.) you aren't even denying it. I'll admit that that's why I voting you but that's not why I have kept my vote on you and you are ignoring that. If ignoring things is scummy why aren't you scum for it but I am?

[Nero Cain]

hrmmmmmmm.......

[Nero Cain]

love how sho is talking about me but won't interact with me.

[Nero Cain]

Sho, who is scum if me, you and nom are all town?

[Nero Cain]

Crap, I just pulled a Nero.

[Nero Cain]

if shoshin flips town then they'll be in trouble

good thing she always flips scum here

[Nero Cain]

Sho is avoiding the shit out of me. She's scared scum.

[Nero Cain]

Isn't it kinda odd to lament me over voting you with one game experience but you are using that same one game to declare what I would or wouldn't do?

[Nero Cain]

idk why she thinks that though. Is there an explanation somewhere?

[Nero Cain]

What if Sho isn't town though?

[Nero Cain]

b/c nom says you are but you are ignoring that I'm sheeping and focusing on me supposedly sitting on you b/c activity.

[Nero Cain]

b/c nom says you are but you are ignoring that I'm sheeping and focusing on me supposedly sitting on you b/c activity.

Why are you sheeping Nom instead of coming up with your own reads?

b/c I like her reasons.

[Nero Cain]

What specifically do you "like," Nero?

the part that says you are scum.

[Nero Cain]

just look at one of her towngames

Why is her town game a good way to read her but my towngames are not a way to read me?

[Nero Cain]

I think we have played once but FMPOV it feels odd that you are using meta to defend Sho but not even considering my meta here.

[Nero Cain]

a claim I know is false

[Nero Cain]

ewww, don't touch me.

[Nero Cain]

but real talk do we get to hear this pet theory?

[Nero Cain]

intent to hammer

[Nero Cain]

man, im tired of the day.


Why do you think im a good lynch?

[Nero Cain]

Even if Sho is scum is her not getting lynched d1 that big of a deal?

[Nero Cain]

Vorkuta / Nero Cain / NerfedBuJ / nomnomnom

I wouldn't be suprised if this is all town.