Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[Vorkuta]

Hello again to nom x3, Buj, Skitter, urap2, Dunn, NC, and Pika
Heyo to the rest of you!

I am ending RVS right here and right now
VOTE: No Lynch

[Vorkuta]

Please designate your best player so I may vote them to assert dominance

Skitter has a banner under her name so that puts her ahead of most of us I think.

I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.

AHAHAHHAHAAAAA
No.
VOTE: Cinnamon

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Off the top of my head, my experience is with them is at like...
3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
And the fake claims were quite traumatizing and painful

I also don't like the "newbie appeal" that cinnamon put into his fakeclaim as a finishing touch and cherry on top.

[Vorkuta]

I am PGO
Originally this game was a Large with 14 players but someone N0 targeted me so orfhz just turned it into a mini

Just.....

[Vorkuta]

pika pika pikaaa pika pika pikaaachuuuu pika pika

Oh boooy

[Vorkuta]

*sighs*
@Skitter, can you kindly confirm that

Night 0 actions are not normal and can't be possible in this game

you didn't kill pika's partner last night?

I liked it better when we weren't in RVS

[Vorkuta]

I too, played bioshock and enjoyed it.

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Pika is a very high-ranking member on this site so let's ignore that.

[Vorkuta]

-Nothing is stopping Cinnamon from being Miller & another PR
-If the setup guys were drunk they could make him "Odd-Night" Miller (investig shows him as cop during even nights, and scum during oddnights)

OR

He's scum who's fake claiming and is just trying to add a twist on the tried-and-tested "hi im miller" recipe

[Vorkuta]

w/e. scum fake claiming

[Vorkuta]

NC with the misrep oh no what scum

/s

I want to weigh in here: Bunny's alleged newbiness/lack of experience does not make the miller fake-claim any less valid
-the miller claim could've been planned out before hand and coordinated (coaching)
-the confusion could've been deliberate and for show
-as a relative newbie (young enough to remember my newbie days), I totally would've miller claimed and thrown up my hands in confusion in my first ever games (had I actually ever rolled scum )

[Vorkuta]

We send bunny to gulag now, yes?

[Vorkuta]

Is fake claim yes. Correct.

/s

I mean come on just ISO me or something

Spoiler:

Please designate your best player so I may vote them to assert dominance

Skitter has a banner under her name so that puts her ahead of most of us I think.

I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.

AHAHAHHAHAAAAA
No.
VOTE: Cinnamon

Off the top of my head, my experience is with them is at like...
3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
And the fake claims were quite traumatizing and painful

I also don't like the "newbie appeal" that cinnamon put into his fakeclaim as a finishing touch and cherry on top.

-Nothing is stopping Cinnamon from being Miller & another PR
-If the setup guys were drunk they could make him "Odd-Night" Miller (investig shows him as cop during even nights, and scum during oddnights)

OR

He's scum who's fake claiming and is just trying to add a twist on the tried-and-tested "hi im miller" recipe

[Vorkuta]

/confirming

All dissidents will be put on a list

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Hm- the bunny seems to have some fight left in him.
I will crush it.

I've played probably 100 games or so IRL.

Newbie card revoked. Noted.

It's a terrible plan to start with; every miller claim I've seen has lead to something that looks exactly like this where there's tons of pressure on them right when they claim

Your point being? How many miller claims actually get lynched D1? I've seen this- miller claims get a nice buzz of discussion, then people decide to move on and play the game. You're experienced enough to know that town won't tunnel you to death in the first 10 pages or so at which point the ebb and flow of the game will shift in your favor.

Furthermore, as I am extremely new here I think it would be quite daunting to try to fake confusion right at the beginning of the game

The best lies are the ones that have a dose of truth into them. You are new- yes. You're also tapping into that newbiness to fuel your fake miller claim.
HOWEVER- now that you're caught/exposed/pushed, you're steadily dropping the newbie-pretense. This is disharmony and dissonance that does not sit quite right with me.

I'm also basically asking to be lynched at some point as I don't think me being alive late in the game will help town.

Right.
Millers have made it to end game. What's that legendary game where there were 5 legitimate miller claims and they were all honest and 4 of them endgamed that people keep bringing up every time?
Scum fake-claiming millers have also made it to end game. I should know- I fell for almost all of them, typically because I used to rely on big authority figures telling me exactly the same shtick you're pushing.

And let's not forget: you've "MODIFIED" the traditional miller claim- hey your modification brings town utility (because of course it does) and will leave scum guessing (who coached you to say that?) to slightly alleviate the above concerns.

TL;DR- I do not buy this capitalist pig's evil western propaganda.

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I have no idea how to play this

=attempted appeal at "guys please cut me some slack"
Fine- it's not explicitly "new" so much as "inexperienced with this particular thingamajiggy"
Either way your initial claim and the "follow-up" afterwards does not seem honest and attempts to play at our subconscious

I'm not sure what you mean by "leave scum guessing", I don't believe I said anything to that effect. Could you elaborate on that? Other people, such as Nero Cain, may have commented to that effect instead.

Oh come on.
"just because I didn't come out and say it and let some one else say it for me, means that this mechanical point is completely moot and invalid"
But I'll bite.
You're slightly modifying the traditional miller fake-claim (which might be a bit too old/stale for your liking idk) with a bit of spice "I'm a MODIFIED miller gaiz".
By not claiming the modifier, you're injecting a LAMIST aspect to your claim by (allegedly) making "scum" waste their time and scratch their heads. It's great.

[Vorkuta]

comrade vork seems to be

b orhe

. Must use fire extinguisher.

The fire within burns strong and red like our revolution!

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My reason for saying that was actually more of an appeal to mechanics rather than the subconscious

o_0
"LAIMST, I have this role that I don't know what to do with, so I'm hoping EVERYBODY SEES how hard I'm trying to reach

my

town!winconf with this role!!!"

I can certainly see your point.

Boom.
In no universe does town ever agree with me here.
You are doing everything you can to appease the red giant and get me off your case at any cost.

Nuke

Mic Drop

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the easternmost town in Europe

what the shit?

I never knew that o_0
huh

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I found it prudent to back off seeing as quite a few people haven't weighed in on this yet.
Your defense of the miller claim and refusal to provide commentary on any of my arguments is noted @dunn.

[Vorkuta]

10/10 totally town entrance for you Buj.
As always.

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What specifically didn't you like about his entrance?

-Nice RVS vote he placed there to let us know where his suspicions lie (oh wait)
-Scum reads me for merely breathing in this game thread

I don't think that's how lying looks like.

*sighs*
I liked it more when buj had a nice and friendly duck on his team to do damage control.

pedit
i dig it

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I only have a newbie game with urap2, but he said something in there that was memorable

"From a meta standpoint, friendliness should be town read (def not scum read at least) if for no other reason than as a quality of life improvement"

then again he copped 2 guilties in a row

I naturally scum-read his playstyle of "peaceful/neutral/politcal arbiter and peacekeeper", but it's in line with what I have from him
Just like I naturally scum-read Buj's warm and fluffy nature

/s

[Vorkuta]

This is the best work I can come up with chief.

Low effort, 0/10, would not buy

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show work please

I am voting scum dude what are you on about

This is the best work I can come up with chief.

such work
much wow

Like- the fake-miller push is pretty damn nicely laid out and argued- that was WORK.
This uhh.... pales in comparison imho.

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My bunny push is well laid out, argument-ed, my reasoning is explained quite well, and I take down some of the opposing arguments.

Your urap2 push is bad and low-effort as your entire case on him is "passive"

[Vorkuta]

ngl Vork the rating system you got going on seems scummy

And you were pushing the miller claim as fake.

in response to this

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idk I read Buj's quoted post as him trying to accuse me of setting a double standard as my rating system is 10/10 working as intended

[Vorkuta]

Filthy western spy, keep your dirty capitalist fingers away from comrade NC
*ahem*

boon wars hydra partner

Copy
The ratings are tongue in cheek to express my disapproval for nomx3's bad push on urap2 that I just don't buy.
I also don't buy modified miller bunny.

[Vorkuta]

That's how I play
I try and stop on BS hard and early when I see it

[Vorkuta]

Help me understand this- you're wagonning a town read.... for associatives... with no intention to follow through on it... because he's a townread.....

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Reminder that

The ratings are tongue in cheek to express my disapproval for nomx3's bad push on urap2 that I just don't buy.

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Fuck it- my meta read on urap2 is based on a newbie game anyway, and seeing where this wagon leads us is interesting
VOTE: urap2

[Vorkuta]

@L-2

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He's "questioning" "mediating" "big picture friendlying" and a" bunch of other words " without providing too much AI info at this stage.
Granted it's really early and maybe he needs time to rev up a bit

do lumberjacks do that with chainsaws?

, but he gut pings me as scummy for his playstyle.

[Vorkuta]

Dilemma
>wanting to lynch a scummy playstyle
>knowing that town!X has this scummy playstyle

Applies to Buj as well

[Vorkuta]

BuJ and Urap do not play the same at all.

However their (individual) playstyles are scummy to me for different reasons.

I've dealt with urap2
Buj is just coarse/melodramatic/blunt and sets off 'powerwolf' pings

[Vorkuta]

do lumberjacks do that with chainsaws

o_0
Such wk/chainsawing

Where are my "bad arguments"?

[Vorkuta]

I don't need reasons to vote people, especially in D1.
Neither do most people on site (due to uncontested naked votes being status quo)

Plus this is scumhunting and mafia 101
wagons -> associations -> finds -> hops on & off -> flips -> VCAs

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*sighs*
At least I provide people the courtesy of giving them solid reasons that will form my initial scum case on them

It's 100% pro-town as you can see my thought processes/logic (unlike anything you've done this game) on most of the players in the game.

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That was in response to:

too hard to find reasons to vote people

-I don't need reasons
-HOWEVER, even though I have no obligation to, I

generously

give people some so that they don't "o_0 y u scumread me nooo"

My thought process and play-style is quite pro-town, even though it doesn't explicitly need to be, as the alternative is a naked urap2 vote without any ATTEMPT to read the slot

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It's not pro town, you're giving completely two different signals that contradict each other. On a fucking D1 vote.

How on earth am I proving this?
I'm saying that "I'm not obligated to BUT I will anyway"
The 2 signals are not mutually exclusive, but COMPLEMENTARY

Remember the prior slight shade thrown at you for failing to explain your leaps in logic?
Now you're proving MY point

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You took one harmless and valid explanation to "you're reaching too far" and are blowing it way the fuck out of proportion.
Your reasoning and thought process for trying to push this is disgusting.

Also HYPOTHETICALLY- "ok fine, yes, I contradicted myself, oh no, I see the error of my ways, please guide me to the light"
How does that make me scum?

[Vorkuta]

the reach is real

The onus is on you to show how this is "opportunism" and not "genuine scumhunting" as I have already more than adequately defended myself.
You're more interested in trying to get me to "slip up" or catching me in a contradiction than actually... you know... making your point.

Also- does scum!vork just go blazing all out for blood for a miller claim, and after it doesn't attract enough attention immediately I try to gut the next best person? (your former scum read, might I add)
Like how bad/desperate for a mislynch (on D1 when not everyone checked in ffs) do you think scum!vork is?

[Vorkuta]

*sighs*
who is bob, and can I get a link?

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that the over-justification for your vote was a complete contradiction of your usual demeanor

Literally anyone can tell you that every time I vote someone or something I can TELL YOU exactly why I'm voting for that player.
Sure the reasons can be shitty (I sheep, or hopping on this wagon, or 'beetlejuicing'), but in no way is this a contradiction from my 'usual demeanor'

absolutely a scumtell as far as I am concerned

Again- do you think I'm that bad enough to "ridiculously slip up like this" on D1?
Those were my meta arguments; now for the logic bit

You haven't shown me how I'm reaching (by explaining what my flaws are in my urap2's case)
You have yet to show me how a contradiction in my words implies that I'm scum. "absolutely a scumtell" is BS
You're just interested in just trying to catch me on a slip- maybe because you're a reaction-testy player (also a playstyle I don't like),

And of course you'll catch me slipping up: after all you scum read me, so every word I write is a scum tell because of course it is

/s

Come up with real arguments

[Vorkuta]

Pika hasn't said anything relevant so far (100% fluff) so idk
Teacher hopefully sorts himself out a bit later

[Vorkuta]

wooooow
just woooooow

Way to completely dismiss my entire case and stop engaging with that.
And of course you will still keep on trying to get me lynched even though you don't have any solid ground to push this from.
VOTE: nom x3
There's townie "ok fine I'll back off, let's look for another person to look for"
and there's
"I WILL GET THIS MISLYNCH AT ANY AND ALL COSTS"

I'm always willing to consider new and different approaches provided that there can be some sort of argument in favor for them, but THIS right here is truly disgusting.

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isn't that at least a slight cause for concern?

-neither has skitter
-he's a troll/parody alt so dealing with this slot is going to be very fun. A pika lynch is a policy lynch tbh

[Vorkuta]

I can get along just fine- nom x3 is just losing the ego battle here so idk what's up on that end.

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mine is bigger than yours

The quality, in both formulation and actual solid logic, of your arguments has dropped off considerably since your initial "youre reaching" push on me, and now you're just openly admitting that you don't have a case on me anymore and this is crossed into personal territory.

I might be guilty of a bit of LAMIST (a thing I do as town anyway), but you're just flailing horribly

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trying to escalate further with jokes is yikes

indeed- yikes

My case still stands, it's not because you write WoT constantly that it makes what I said any less true lol

My walls of text... explicitly tell you why what you said is not true.. like what is this argument even

The LAMIST part is overly-justifying your vote then when questioned admitting you didn't need to do it

I DO IT ALL THE TIME FFS

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-nom: "hey why do you justify your vote wtf that looks like reaching"
-vork: "it's not reaching, and my votes are always justified, even in other games"
-nom: "CAPS LOCK INTENSIFIES"

Hey @nom x3- I accept your consession

[Vorkuta]

Let me hope that

for once my scumread

is followed by a wagon and not ignored and laughed to death

I INVOKE SELF META

This display of double standards & Pot calling kettle black is also disgusting

[Vorkuta]

mfw

People lose in things all the time- no need to take it so personally.
Try better the next time you roll scum

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@nom x3
I'm genuinely surprised at why you haven't pounced on him for slipping like that yet.
or is the one ego-blow enough for today?

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Classic "scum is in too far over their head de-escalation" via AtE
We have a winner

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VOTE: nom x3
wish granted

[Vorkuta]

marathon game

WOOOOOW

[Vorkuta]

I wasn’t crazy about the commie sheeping,

how dare you

also there are 2 of us- which one?

[Vorkuta]

Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"

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Calling it-> {skitter, nom x3, 1 of teacher/Dunn}
Perfect and easy way for the entire scum team to collapse on one person, amazing VCA/wagonomics potential, 10/10 move.
I've seen it, and I've done it before

Bunny can resolve later -> I've hit gold with the skitter chainsaw

[Vorkuta]

Nom x3 first as she basically outright scum claimed
Then you after nom flips red

[Vorkuta]

feels like something you actually believe

You've become an expert in tone reading me when exactly?

[Vorkuta]

never claimed to be, but i have a hard time believing that you actually believe a lot of what you're posting

Right
I need to BELIEVE in my own logic- something that remains valid and irrefuted regardless of what people think about it... ok then

Shit I just realized nomx3's hard push on my just came after I shaded Buj....

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Ok- I want to give skitter some leeway because she wasn't here for the real-time interactions to know how heated things were being
Then I reread her ISO and """"case"""" on me and it's disgusting

More people need to post so I can read them as like only half the players here have been engaged guhhh

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*sighs*
effort time

Spoiler:

this is bad

I do the newbie appeal, I've seen the newbie appeal done, I wanted to do the newbie appeal, and Cinnamon is experience enough to pull off the newbie appeal.

also bad

tongue in cheek is bad. noted.

so's this ...
i don't really think you actually think that's scum fake-claiming miller

at the heat of the moment? I was. Now that the game has stagnated and other people obv!scum'd it up, I slightly retract my suspicions.
Plus it seems I'm not going up against site meta today

i kinda hate like all of your posts actually

cool story

you're making up reasons to vote the wagon du jour tho (first cinn, now urap)

ONCE AGAIN
-I do not require reasons to VOTE people- any I provide are a courtesy
-I voted urap2 for wagonomics and association reasons and a playstyle that I was 'meh' with. That is made up how?
It's like you didn't even read my 1v1 with nom

b) he's fully capable of putting out real and readable content, despite the gimmick alt, the fact that he hasn't really is kinda meh

Right

townie: nom, nero, maybe dunn, maybe buj, probably flubber, cinn, maybe salad

because everyone likes my ratings- 10/10 reads

[Vorkuta]

... do you not know that n0's aren't a thing in normals or ...?

This is kind of what I meant by 'slack for skitter missing out on RTIs'

[Vorkuta]

vork i'm kinda confused how you're reading me

I am too.
I've been informed that you're a good player so unless youre "LOL RXN TESTING" to try and slayer on me or smth, I'm going to have to at your push on me and wonder where this comes from.
The fact that NEITHER nomx3 and skitter have addressed any of my ACTUAL posts and arguements, just vague handwavey handwaves makes me grr as well
Then again that works both ways as scum!skitter is probably not going to be this transparent in defending nomx3...

I also don't like how the bottom third of the activity list isn't engaging and I have solid reasons to think 1 or 2 of them might want to lurk it out.
There are also other ew slots, plus I'm IN the spotlight now. I make better reads when I'm not front and center in the main stage.

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Then again you absolutely did not pick up on my defector crumbs in OpenC9++, and only saw my mason play in Jazz

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and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

great now you as well... again

Off the top of my head, my experience is with them is at like...
3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
And the fake claims were quite traumatizing and painful

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and did the 3 fake ones come from town or scum?

I've never seen town fake-claim miller. All the fake miller claims came from scum
And ONCE AGAIN
It's not the "Im miller" claim about bunny that irked me.
It's the "Im MODIFIED miller" modification to the classic fake miller claim

yeah but vork is missing the good tone

You've become an expert in tone reading me when exactly?

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i'm p sure i've seen town lolclaim miller before

Well I haven't *shrugs*
Unless you count the town!FL's "tinker tailor soldier spy, miller mason vig cop" nonsense in every game

... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

Oh boy I swear I've explained this so well that even fucking bunny himself gets it by now
-to subvert the traditional "naked miller claim" and put a new spin on it
-to provide "LAMIST" insurance in the form of "IM MODIFIED"
-to gain even more "LAMIST" points via the "hey guys, I'm totally keeping scum guessing amirite" appeal
-how the hell should I know what ridiculous/next-level plan they came up with?

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I have to reply directly inside your wall because lol

so the important bit is that i find it significantly more likely for the modified thing to come from town who has some sort of compound/modifier role, than scum deciding to try out a new spin on ye old fake miller claim.

I fundamentally disagree with this point, but I've already made my point clear. It's already obvious that I'm not going to be able to convince the town majority so I'm left with being 100% anti-town in blindly stubbornly hypertunneling this, or

also they're new to the site

but by bunny's own admission, quite experienced with mafia in general

... i find it really hard to believe that they knew how to subvert the 'fake-claim miller as scum' meta in just that way in one of their first games here

*RAGE* HE HAS TEAMMATES

- like it reads really authentic, and i'd be p surprised if new-to-the-site scum

that's the thing- I'm also kind of a newbie (young and fresh enough to remember my newbie days) and if I rolled scum in my first... 7? games, I'd totally love to pull this off

could fake it in a way that rang true like that

and i don't think the modified claim read as lamist

I hate his "visible thought process" like 'hey guys so I have this role, what do I do with it" "oh NOW I UNDERSTAND THIS ROLL" "oh I'm sorry guys, my bad" "teehee, LAMIST for trying to figure out my win-condition and optimum way to play this role

at all, it read p real to me

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How many villains have you seen announce their arrival publicly and grandeously though? That was a totally innocent move that only comes from town.

A50- Jazz mafia
Literally waltzes in and says "hi I'm scum" in his very first post.
Eats rope.
Is actually scum

[Vorkuta]

for whatever plan

universal

towncred

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i mean that was also very different context

context completely aside, the point is "hi im scum" is not as conf!town-y or NAI as it's implied to be
don't make me dig up more games where scum open/powerwolfed

*looks at skitter's banner*
hmmm

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where have you even seen scum fake-claim miller 3 different tiems? i don't think i've ever seen that?

In 3 different games
*sighs* at this point I'm arguing just for the sake of arguing I swear

-FL, NK's 2058 Large

triggered really hard

-awestfie, BTXI
-ruirui/fumiki/funaki/whoeverreplaced, NC's 2070 Mini Normal

Do you want exact links with post numbers and quotes?

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idk that Vork goes for a fast Buj pocket tho, I mean maybe but not feeling it super hard?

........
this was sarcasm and Buj got it
He scum reads me for breathing

I kinda don't understand why you're voting urap here? And almost all of your surrounding comments are about nom

Can you actually... read this please?
Like it's obvious you just ISO'd me here. Read the post in the actual thread and kindly come back with your apologies for the misrep

[Vorkuta]

ITT everyone tries to appease skitter

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And almost all of your surrounding comments are about nom

The urap2 vote was before nom popped up on my radar at all

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"lulz l2"

This: Wagon progression is literally the only decent way to make progress in D1 IMHO

did you like the wagon for the comp or like the wagon cause it was a wagon?

I had no (I mean..) opinion on the comp at the time being- it was more to see who would stay/who would hop off/ who would... anything.
It's how I get my """best""" reads.

I thought it was kinda a townie entrance

*spits out my drink*

The fact that they continue to talk about it

*the fact that it's been brought up by everyone else who's catching up and I'm forced to explain and re-explain and re-re-explain
FTFY

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that I should be aware of?

No. absolutely none whatsoever, these are all inside jokes.
Proceed to continue on with your usual playstyle, and don't be afraid of skitter.

also don't look at her banner

also she solo carries town games

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I actually forgot there were posts before this one

(given it's his first post that isn't fluff)?

I mean I'm going to tone-scum read buj for merely existing, just like he's going to scum-read me for breathing.

I COULD argue that

Me as a player: *sigh* you rolled scum again didn't you

comes from scum in order to
-shade
-provide the foundation of his future "lets lynch vork" rhetoric

However I'm not going to be able to sort Buj today period.
Either way I have more promising scum cases that I think I can develop (provided that they post and whatnot)

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Are you like... legit just aiming for a nice quick and easy slip up?
Sure, let's forget NK15's (sorry for vigging you there btw)

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Have you like... ISO'd dunn?
8/10 posts is literally just parroting 'vork is scum' and nothing actually new

And this warrants a top tier placement?
wooooooow

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a town miller

3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims

I swear it's like you don't even read
And tchill was doing exactly the same bull shit that morality did in nk's game "ascetic -> miller"

Vorkuta does seem different to that game though.

Yeah- I was unmotivated, and just wanted to sheep a strong town player.
I also had like 3 other games going on at the same time and get this: I was still new/trying different shit

How come Nero didn't realize that Vorkuta brought up the game he modded that had a real miller in it when trying to show off scum fake claims?

-who the hell remembers the exact setup of every single game they were ever part of
-your point being...? a town miller present in a game suddenly completely 100% invalidates a scum miller claim?
just........

But yes guys- go read the game where I die hard tunnel an early miller claim that I just outright didn't buy

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I don’t think Dunn’s parroting

He's reaching

while reaching this fucking hard

Sorting through this game is going to be so fun
'vork is reaching with his reads' is the universal consensus of this entire game like..... the smiley isn't strong enough to convey my

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saladman can get a few 'bad!town' points but has to post more

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I did, in fact, read

then you'll see that scum funaki's slot's predecessor fakeclaimed miller as scum AS WELL

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I swear Dunn is just butthurt I vig'd him in over morality in NK2058
so am I

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didn't die hard tunnel anything that game

*inhales*

RC and I literally made tchill ragequit or something along those lines

Isn't that kind of unnecessary? Earlier games don't really represent a player's meta...

Dunn's push on me is 50% agenda driven & 50% parroting for activity points- he's literally just pushing me to try and get a cheap and easy slip-up from me

and to be fair I alluded to urap2's newbie game

[Vorkuta]

First of all, that's wrong

Yeah this is fine- April (3 months ago) is fine.
The fact that I intentionally try out new things and change my playstyles to keep things interesting is something that Dunn will completely ignore of course, but wtv

Second of all, he was the one bringing up the old games to try to justify his current push

........I justified my push on bunny quite nicely and "prior experience" was just a cherry on top ffs
I've given 50 reasons why it's a scum miller claim this game ON TOP OF "prior ouchies", but let's just focus on "prior ouchies" instead

but the way he's going about it here feels different from that game.

Seeing as you LOVE this approach: how does your behavior in this game compare to NK2058?
Night and day

[Vorkuta]

This is the same argument you used on me

Blow me
-Never accused you of parroting.
-Never accused you of having an agenda before entering the game.

But yes, you AS WELL were (are still?) trying to get me to slip up and just accidentally 'scumclaim' or wtv instead of actually dealing with any of my actual and legit points.

[Vorkuta]

April isn't 3 months ago

*sighs*
just.... what do you want from me?

[Vorkuta]

Scum didn't fakeclaim miller in that game

seeing as this is an acceptable way to respond to perceived bullshit this game

k

[Vorkuta]

Never accused me of that either, what are you trying to accuse me of?

Dunn's push on me is 50% agenda driven & 50% parroting for activity points

read my posts

[Vorkuta]

Seeing as you LOVE this approach: how does your behavior in this game compare to NK2058?
Night and day

It's not though... you're just saying things now

k

[Vorkuta]

That's not an accusation of having an agenda before entering the game

it is now
I mean as of yesterday 8/10 of your posts were 'vork = bad'
Glad to see you're more engaged here than you were in C9++ where getting you to post literally anything was like pulling teeth.

Can you not quote a line where they claim miller?

I honestly can't be fucked seeing as you cherry pick the shit out of my posts and don't even read them propelry

[Vorkuta]

Can you go into this? What are your solid reasons here?

Solid reasons?

saladman (prior to him dumbing his way into my town leans)=> literally had like 6 posts and I was genuinely worried he was going to lurk his way to victory
Flubber => Drunk 100% NAI and noncommital posting to garner sympathy to skirt by D1 is a winning scum play
You => I've already brought this up.
Teacher => Quick lol/meme/friendly interaction with urap2 for the town cred and completely backs off (only to discuss the usual vork is scum for a tiny bit)

[Vorkuta]

pocket me despite being even more annoying than usual. (No offence vork it's not you it's just how you post)

I hate you too buj <3

[Vorkuta]

What are you trying to argue here?

Honestly? I'm just defending myself against what I consider to be poor accusations.

I've been butting heads with like a third of the cast and really need to see how all y'all interact WITHOUT ME as I want my reads to be less "personal".

Like yesterday nom x3 was guaranteed scum, today nom x3 might be bruised-ego!town in my books.
I completely forgot how I read bunny any more
etc.

[Vorkuta]

that's definitely easier

meta invocation time
scum!vorkuta went after conf!town FL in musicals after he vigshot my partner
as opposed to like 3 other low hanging fruit targets

Going after lurkers isn't really a trend anymore IMHO

[Vorkuta]

Yeah ok I tried making a readlist just now, but it's basically

{people I'm not butthurt at}
{people who haven't posted a lot}
{people I'm butthurt at}

I'll try better

[Vorkuta]

Oh you mean just "arrival"
uhhh

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=79490

/s

withdrawn

[Vorkuta]

as a sort of chaotic player doing all sorts of shit that doesn't make sense just because they don't make sense.

I accept the complement but I am nowhere near that good.
I'm a useless sheep in most of my games and don't gambit/fakeclaim because I have no idea how to do so properly
constantly trying to be less bad though so

That's clown logic.

obligatory "takes one to know one"

[Vorkuta]

Solid reasons?

saladman (prior to him dumbing his way into my town leans)=> literally had like 6 posts and I was genuinely worried he was going to lurk his way to victory
Flubber => Drunk 100% NAI and noncommital posting to garner sympathy to skirt by D1 is a winning scum play
You => I've already brought this up.
Teacher => Quick lol/meme/friendly interaction with urap2 for the town cred and completely backs off (only to discuss the usual vork is scum for a tiny bit)

EvilDeanus => I literally forgot he was in this game... as I was LOOKING FOR PEOPLE who I forgot were in the game

[Vorkuta]

ITT everyone tries to appease skitter

*ahem*

[Vorkuta]

I scumread you in the first one despite everyone telling me you're town. You were scum.

To be fair, being a traitor and trying to signal back to home base is its own handicap, so I'll just insert my two-cents on that.
Also goddamit ducky- why couldn't you have been louder/more convincing to your hydra partner

So on an objective level I don't understand why you set such an impossible standard for me to read you correctly from your first few posts in the game, while at the same time shittalking my ability to read you.

I am not and I slightly resent this interpretation of my posts.
The only person I've openly accused of ""being an expert on reading me"" was skitter.
I am in the process of casing you and I'm giving myself extra liberty to see whether your actions might come from scum!Buj.

None of that gives you any excuse to belittle and dismiss my scumreads on you.

Fair, but I think it's not completely dishonest to say that you scum!read me for merely breathing, as you said that my playstyle

and personality

is inherently annoying to you.

ESPECIALLY when I place you in my townlist a measly few pages later.

coretown!Buj
I really don't think scum!Buj would even attempt to pocket me considering that means he'll have to keep me alive for a day or two and that I'll be a constant annoying thorn in his side.

I formally withdraw most of my complaints towards you

[Vorkuta]

Skitter was town because her vork read took off...

Town reading someone for successfully starting a wagon
Give me a tiny bit more or I'll flat out formally accuse you of putting this here just to try and suck up to skitter

[Vorkuta]

read for reads sake

in your core!town slot...

guhhh
town lean
I'd like to think scum would be a tiny bit more subtle when trying to pocket skitter

[Vorkuta]

Why were planking/twerking/shuffling/(insert wtv here) things?

[Vorkuta]

Partially but not entirely

Like you're a pretty damn "not bad" player and the general consensus opinion (of other players) is that you're a real town powerhouse.
Decent players even tend to play around you.

The way OTHER PEOPLE approach your slot can be really informative- that's all I'm saying.
Like saladman flat out admits to townbinning you for no reason whatsoever, and the teacher sheep seemingly out of the blue with little desire to engage yours truly also makes me *hmm*

I'm obviously not going to be able to sort your slot today, however I can observe at how other players are behaving around you.

[Vorkuta]

u just seem to be hyper-aware of how people are interacting with me and you didn't do it in jazz mafia so i was like ???

Jazz mafia D1 was just
I was just trying to open-wolf without outing my masonry lol

Yeah, but then the game ended
Basically the game was """solved""" D1 based on how scum jumped onto the mechanical!town slots and what/how they jumped off. Saudade hard picked up on most of that and sang praises for mama skitter for the entire game

[Vorkuta]

(i just saw him park on someone he was townreading because they claimed scum so)

+1

[Vorkuta]

Bah just saw the VC
VOTE: Flubber
Beetlejuicing

My gut tells me that one of {ED/Flubber} has pretty damn high scum equity
They've had the opportunity to interact on all of the things right now

I'll sort the rest of you lot in due time

[Vorkuta]

nonsensical posting is outside the townrange

Can I get this rephrased please?
I don't want to misinterpret this.

Unfortunately he has only rolled town in his newbie games (and this is his first non-newbie game) so there is no scum game for him for comparison.

me before musicals oh lord
I bragged about how "I only roll town "

If he's coached he's not very heavily coached.

Having just come from a nightchat only game... meh

[Vorkuta]

I know everybody has forgotten page 3 by now but why was cinnamon discussing their modifiers?????

WOOOOOOOOOOW

[Vorkuta]

The minute cinn said "I'm a miller and something else" the only focus should have been on the miller claim

*throws hands up in defeat*

Like no.
We're out of VCA, we have a ton of analysis, and it's extremely anti-town to just focus and give attention to one slot and one slot alone during ALLLL of D1.
Like ok- we lynch the miller claim D1 WITHOUT any discussion and then what?

D2 we're dry. No associatives, no info, no other interactions to analyze so that's it.

The way the discussion has led us in circles and explored other potential groupings is extremely important

[Vorkuta]

I find it pretty hypocritical you're saying this when you posted this earlier:

Fair, but I had this quote in mind

The fact that they continue to talk about it is steadily becoming less and less town however.

Like 700 posts later the miller issue is being necro'd when we have a huge treasure trove of interactions to analyze.
It's like flubber doesn't want to catch up past post ~200 or something

[Vorkuta]

While I still think his behavior would be too easy to replicate as mafia

Yes- Inactivity and being quiet are very difficult traits to replicate

/s

I'm lacking the insight that apparently half this roster has with playing with/against teacher.
Aside from the fact that he... is a teacher.... can anyone clue me in/TL;DR/spoonfeed me?

[Vorkuta]

So...
From my cynical point of view, he's a "don't lynch him D1 because he resolves D3" player.
Great.

[Vorkuta]

*insert post where I push flubber here*

I don't know if I can get on the teacher wagon as "resolves on D3" kind of makes me not want to push him today. Also I hate the wagon comp.
ED's posts are

amazing and high quality

cherrypicked and that's just but a vote for him is me beetlejuicing.

[Vorkuta]

thought I saw a townie post but now I'm wondering if I was hallucinating cause I can't find it: Vorkuta

Is your entire read on me this game going to be based on like 1 post in particular?
So you're going to ignore my pushes, how I try to engage, what I try to do with associations and whatnot
and just focus on one post to form your entire opinion on me?

[Vorkuta]

Urap and nom votes are both kinda overly emotional too

Urap2 was the wagon hop vote- not emotional.

flubber is your best push to date and i still kinda think it's the wrong choice vs ED?

obligatory "have you read my nom push"?

Also like... ED is "capable" of mechanical insights- the fact that he doesn't and lurks out is scary sure, but I view flubber's drunk posting -> nothingness as a greater sin.
And an ED vote is an inactivity policy lynch wagon, not an actual scum read

but I don't see why I'd townread you for pushing three town back to back?

-and you know that they're town slots how exactly?
-oh boy I wonder what your criteria are for town reading other people if that's the case

[Vorkuta]

The dude read my post and refused to comment

on Dunn

.

FTFY
TL;DR his slot

Like yes- I am in agreement that cherrypicking which random posts/parts-of-posts to reply to and which to selectively ignore (all of them) is scummy.
HOWEVER his ISO has a high signal-noise ratio.
That's it pretty much my distinction between ED and flubber
I'm hoping he actually pops in and engages more, but I like how his content has quality in it.
Unlike flubber

[Vorkuta]

I don't think his day 1 reads are typically above random so being 0/3 in his first 3 pushes isn't really out of form.

ok now I'm butthurt at you as well

-I build up my town block BEFORE scumhunting and my pushes primarily serve to build up a townblock first
-7 completed non-newbie town games
-Jazz D1 (most recent) readlist- 2 for 2 @D1

[Vorkuta]

I feel like scum tends to have a higher signal to noise ratio tho? I feel like town shitposts and fluffposts

I mean that's just something each and everyone of us is going to have to pass judgement on individually.

I personally think that flubber's drunk posting and then "soberposting" comes from scum.
I personally think that ED is more interested in """"""solving""""" the game rather than shitposting which makes him towney.
Like if he wanted to shitpost a bit as either alignment, he had ample opportunity to reply to anyone that accepted his first post challenge.

That's just my interpretation of the 2 slots

[Vorkuta]

oh my how on earth did you get to that conclusion?

also based on what you should know about me as a player, you know I don't place too much emphasis on who town reads me, but I like those that scumread my scumreads.
He townreads nom so that cancels out the ^

[Vorkuta]

I'll post it when it's been refined and updated and when nom x3 and Dunn do something other than tunnel me
not at your prompting

But you guys already probably know that buj, nc, and salad have been binned yes?

[Vorkuta]

Why not when I ask? What benefit do you see in waiting?

refined and updated and when nom x3 and Dunn do something other than tunnel me

To draw out suspense

/s

I want to see how players approach other slots- my reads aren't the most accurate when I'm in the spotlight. I need other players to enjoy their time on stage so I can look at them

[Vorkuta]

And absolutely nothing of interest has happened since then

[Vorkuta]

*grumbles disapprovingly*
VOTE: Dunn
-Beetlejuice & Activity
-Please do something other than tunnel me

[Vorkuta]

i thought that was the towniest part of his iso tbh?

I think otherwise. I've brainstormed up ways to make an obv!town entry into a game and the equivalent of "drunkposting" made my list. Like obviously I scum read him for his other posts and thought processes as I pointed out previously, but drunkposting is a nice scum "cherry" on top

how do u feel about bussing?

I loved being on the receiving end of it

still butthurt at how ramblings went

I have only 2 scum games under my belt so I can't judge whether a loss of a teammate is worth the town-cred or not.

no, bad vote

Dunn can town it up by doing literally anything but tunnel me. Then I'll vote elsewhere

[Vorkuta]

If I had to compromise on a vote it'd be Vork here

>hypertunnels me earlier on
>oh no looks like I'll have to COMPROMISE on vork
wow

[Vorkuta]

What a nice compromise

[Vorkuta]

Has there been RTI between skitter and buj?
There should be some

[Vorkuta]

Vorkuta's 100% Accurate Readlist
The first one edition

{Buj, saladman}
{pika, skitter NC}
{urap2, ED, teacher}
{Dunn, Bunny, nom x3}
{Flubber}

-No way scum!Buj goes through the trouble of trying to pocket town!vork. It's not worth the effort and he gets 0 returns on this investment.
-Salad is wrong but honest- I can work with this

-Skitter and Pika are obv!towning it up with their solving.
I only have extreme tinfoil reasons (in skitter's case- might be justified- similar to C9++ and reputation) for them to be scum. Either way, there's no way a D1 lynch passes on them
-NC should've been more conf!town but his presence really diminished with the game. I actually agree with him on a lot of things (surprise) and obviously my fellow comrade is going to be TR'd, but *tinfoil* that lack of scrutiny towards that slot and I felt like his momentum went slightly down after a strong start requires thinking.

-urap2 is acting similarly to our game together (invoking newbie game meta... I know... I know...) and even though I personally dislike his playstyle of "why can't we all be friends" I can see it coming from town!urap2. The pushes on him and the early interaction with teacher make me :thonk:
-ED is dead center because he has a grand total of 8 posts.
7 of those were quite game relevant. However they were completely cherrypicked, selective/random, and... like... 8 posts.
This is just lynchbait and the wagon that I'm most unhappy with (once people realized that lynchbait!vork wasn't gonna happen, they swapped on to lynchbait!lurkers)
-Teacher's ISO is 50/50 green/red for me. On top of the tinfoil reasons of "scum trying to manipulate game state", his arguments and pushes are just in some places

-Dunn should do something other than hypertunnel me and lurk it out.
-While Bunny's miller claim and his responses to my push put him at conf!scum, his other posts have been solvi-er in nature.
I can more or less work with this slot
-Every time I see a nomx3 post I can be persuaded to think that they are wrong!town. Then they post another thing and I'm like- nope this is caught scum. The ridiculously horrible 1v1 they picked with me early on, refusal to actually read and respond to my
arguments and *insert more personal stuff here* is just bad and I'm always reminded that it doesn't come from town

-Flubber case made before

[Vorkuta]

@nom- Real time Interaction.
Have skitter and Buj spoken to each other not via catchups but directly?

[Vorkuta]

Given our open together I'd've expected at least some sort of "you, no u" and some sort of slight implicit distrust for one another.
The fact that they aren't doing it and are giving each other a complete pass is slightly concerning

Ok I'll be more blunt- I want to see 2 good players approach each other and duke it out between themselves to see what we can learn.

[Vorkuta]

You're not even voting me

You're like the 4th person I've asked this to

But do you even read our posts?

[Vorkuta]

I would be surprised if flubber flipped scum.
Could the people voting there switch to another wagon?

*grumbles disapprovingly*
VOTE: Dunn
-Beetlejuice & Activity
-Please do something other than tunnel me

[Vorkuta]

You know what
Wish granted
VOTE: Flubber

Reads/comments/catchup.
Go

[Vorkuta]

This isnt a reaction that comes from scum i think?

You'd be surprised

[Vorkuta]

Good game everyone.

Do have a proposed solution that doesn't end in a draw?

Who do we expand our lynchpool to?

[Vorkuta]

-Dunn should do something other than hypertunnel me and lurk it out.

[Vorkuta]

I swear ~28 out of your 32 posts are pushing/tunneling/arguing/throwing shade at me in some way shape or form
Fine I'm willing to go down to 25.

It can be a scum play from my point of view as I have gotten a really decent scum!D1 by hypertunneling a town player like this before.... but no
Can you please address the other slots like at all?

[Vorkuta]

Oh hi lime

[Vorkuta]

I'd never willingly replace into a scum slot. This alone should tell you that I'm likely town.

Uhh... this and all of the discussion after this is kind of slightly bordering on a trust tell so I'd rather we drop this.

@Shoshin
The guy's ISO is tiny- can you go through it post by post and tell me why it can't come from scum at all?

[Vorkuta]

Pika's town, for sure. That's a legitimately excellent question.

Not gonna lie this read seems really really really forced/faked FMPoV

[Vorkuta]

I have Nom, Buj, Pika, Dunn, Cinn, Flub, Nero, & Vork as varying degrees of town.

That leaves U2, Teacher, & Salad as scum. Can we lynch in this group today?

Skitter gets null or...?

[Vorkuta]

Yes, let's dive into all of shoshin's games and dig up all of her wrong reads ever.
Let's do that- it's more fun compared to playing and solving this game.

[Vorkuta]

So I blink and this happens
We're about to lynch a cop??

What's the wagon on her?

[Vorkuta]

I already know that if she flips scum, you must be scum with her. Voting her is a death wish from you. It will never happen. I don't expect it anyway.

and here I thought you cooled down and could be reasoned with

like ffs let me at least catch up and find out who's on the wagon so I can try and look for things
this was literally done in the time that I was offline so what the hell

[Vorkuta]

Can someone post a VC or just who's on the shoshin wagon while I scroll back?

[Vorkuta]

i'm going to read through now but if anyone has something they want me to address like now requote it or whatever

+1

[Vorkuta]

Holy shit the tunneling this game is real

Spoiler:

Talk to me about vork.

I'm adding Nero/Vorkuta to the list of town.

Talk to me about vork.

Ok. Why was vork town before that?

Can you sell me on vork?

Can’t answer vork.

Why is vork town?

FFS why aren’t you answering the vork question.

Answer the vork question.

So why, oh, why, isnt the solution to lynch vork?

[Vorkuta]

vote Shoshin, comrade

I require information straight from KGB headquarters to confirm that CIA counterespionage did not compromise our evidence

a vote count

[Vorkuta]

It was like watching a phoenix wright case unfold

?

youtubespoiler

Spoiler:

[Vorkuta]

Spoiler:

I'd never willingly replace into a scum slot. This alone should tell you that I'm likely town.

trust tell- do not like

Are you finally town, Skitter? I miss town you.

.....k

I get the sense Teacher's having trouble fluidly changing his reads based on new information.

+1

I'm voting you because you don't have legitimate reasons to vote me.

OMGUS

I don't feel like you're trying to sort me in good faith, Nom.

Nom doesnt have any good faith left in them

Please unvote, Salad. Give me a chance to solve this. You can put me at L-1 later. There's no rush on this. I've been lolhammered before, please don't let that happen this game.

I hate these deals

Please unvote me.

Please stop being bad at mafia.

Please improve.

I hate these appeals

You think I'm scum too, Cinn? Fuck this game.

Even more appeals that I hate

This game is actually hopeless.

Honestly.... I've seen this from shoshin when we weren't cooperating in NK2058 large

Nom, please stop talking to me. You're cluttering the game at this point with stuff that isn't helpful.

+1

Also, sho, what do you mean no resistance?

If I were scum, I'd have partners to defend me. I'd have partners to help build a counter wagon. I'd have support. There's none of that in this game.

mmmmm no
I'll explain in the end

@shoshin I feel like you're town reading me now. Why the change?

I can't townread you until you unvote me.

wow this appeal

Let's go with Nero, Cinn.

VOTE: Nero

The way he's pushing my lynch doesn't seem like something he'd do as town.

OMGUS

Sho, why are you still adamant that showing us you lurked more as scum in earlier games is ai despite the fact you

could

have changed your scum meta?

Probability.

Every time you use the word "could," you're talking about possibility.

I'm talking about probability.

oh boy semantics

Ayt- time for stuff that I need to decide and think about

First impressions:
STUFF THAT LOOKS BAD TO ME
-Shoshin's defense is gross and loaded with a ton of personal appeals which isn't something I expect from her.
Then again I've never seen a wagon on her (only scum NK's ) so I have yet to decide whether this is flailing scum or genuinely how town shoshin responds
-The OMGUS, the "I can't town read you until you unvote me", the "this game is doomed, town is bad" is just.....
-70% of shoshin's defense is her sitting on prior laurels
-I hate the modifier game that shoshin is playing. I've done it as scum. I grumble at this.
-I hate half the people that are pushing her as well so *grumbles even more*
-I might just lolvote just to prove nom completely wrong tbh

no I want to actually win this game

-I'm butthurt about my miller claim being ignored and dismissed, but now that shoshin has claimed cop this shit is happenening.
-So one of my mentors told me to look for the fact scum on D2/D1 tend to focus on hard defending themselves, while town still have some "scumhunting fight" left in them and at least try to get reads down, and that worked really well in JAZZ imho.

STUFF THAT LOOKS NOT BAD TO ME
-Hot take probability #1: The entire scum team is already (or was already) on shoshin and was waiting for a townie to hammer.
It's a hip and trendy new movement, provides WIFOM, VCA trouble in the future, and all that good stuff, but the drawback is that... a townie has to hammer
-Hot take probability #2: Almost the entirety (2/3s or whatever) of the scum team is voting for shoshin and the last one needs a good reason to get on or is heavily town!read and is conscious about looking bad when doing so or something.
This would allow me to rule out people who've lol!jumped on the shoshin wagon
-Shoshin knows that if for some reason she doesn't get NK'd, her investigative target has to be spot on (and all other potential scum interactions have ot be considered) and the cop claim seemingly didn't come out of nowhere, and claims COP of all things instead of literally half the roles available to her. Too bold for scum
-Why the fuck are we lynching a claimed cop D1? Like seriously why

[Vorkuta]

VC TIME FINALLY

[Vorkuta]

Holy shit you were Suka as well?

[Vorkuta]

Spoiler:

Personal appeals are not scummy. Who told you they were? This is how I play when under this level of pressure, nothing scummy.

It's just one of my personal gut pings, and something that I did when pushed to a wall. It seemed that you were "overplaying" your card. Like

OMGUS isn't scummy. It's also not what I was doing.

eeehhhhh fine I'm willing to accept the nuance that goes along with it

This is not reason to suspect my slot, it's reason to trust me.

I swear this, combined with "I don't replace into scummy slots" is bordering really close to trust tell territory

Do not do this.

There's a gif for this somewhere

That said, notice that even as I'm defending myself I'm still trying to sort players

Yeah this gives me the most pause tbh

TL;DR
I've given RC the exact same level of respect/leeway in our previous game together (NC's mini 2070 and that worked out quite well) immediately after NK2058 so I should probably extend the same courtesy to shoshin. Worst case scenario I lose in a brand new way and learn something out of it

formally opposing shoshin wagon

[Vorkuta]

Holy shit the tunneling this game is real

Spoiler:

Talk to me about vork.

I'm adding Nero/Vorkuta to the list of town.

Talk to me about vork.

Ok. Why was vork town before that?

Can you sell me on vork?

Can’t answer vork.

Why is vork town?

FFS why aren’t you answering the vork question.

Answer the vork question.

So why, oh, why, isnt the solution to lynch vork?

+

you are resistant to going Vork for the day?

Woooooow
you and dunn just... woooooow

[Vorkuta]

@nom
did you do the nested quote oopsie again?

[Vorkuta]

And what I see is a fakeclaim

>insert pages of me calling bunny a fake claim

I will literally self-vote out of the game tomorrow.

I want this

[Vorkuta]

This is a contradictory statement

triggered

ok nom is wrong&bruisedego!town
I invoke "too bad to be scum" with regards to that slot

[Vorkuta]

Do you like completely stop reading the sentence/post after you find the first

spelling mistake

grammatical error

perceived flaw in logic?

Because that would explain so much

[Vorkuta]

You see- I do this

ok nom is wrong&bruisedego!town
I invoke "too bad to be scum" with regards to that slot

and now you go all defeatist/last-ditch-attempt-effort scum on me right now

[Vorkuta]

prodging because IRL stuff- will catch up later

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: nom x3
Failed to get your shoshin mislynch so you killed her because the cop claim was too heavy to pass up

[Vorkuta]

If she flips cop, I will literally self-vote out of the game tomorrow.

holy shit I swear I was looking for this post in her ISO just now

[Vorkuta]

She still ate the nightkill, so yeah.

*you still NK'd her

FTFY

[Vorkuta]

also nero is town and I have no idea how the fuck you managed to run up that wagon when I was out
like guys wtf

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I see no universe where nero has more scum equity than nom does

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like scum don't join my wagon until they have a nice 3 man town cushion.

"your wagon"
Like come on- all 3 scum jumping on the same wagon early on is the new hip and trendy thing to do

I wish comrade would get on so he can hammer flubb

Also a friendly reminder to everyone that I was the first person on the flubb wagon

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How was shoshin's play as VT, to bait out the NK, and to leave us a treasure trove (50 pages but wtv) of interactions.... stupid?
Spoonfeed this to me

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Teacher has less influence than urap unless he drastically increases his activity level

guh do I like/approve/agree with this statement enough to sheep buj over NC.....

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generates people like you who literally cannot read and make the worst vote

wow
caught scum is so butthurt
now that I'm applying salt over the wound, the bruised ego wants to lose yet another fight?

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formally opposing shoshin wagon

lemee just insert this as a reminder for @nom

also yes nom
skitter is scum and wants you to self-vote so she can mislynch you today D2
and I'm the one on drugs

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Has there been RTI between skitter and buj?
There should be some

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Explain where scum are parroting what i'm saying

nom's scum buddies are agreeing with some of what you say duh

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VOTE: Dunn because you guys won't give me nom

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Have you ISO'd dunn recently?

It's not a hard read

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What are your thoughts on teacher?

like ok
I know your reads are good
and teacher is scummier than urap2

but full disclosure, I *tinfoil* think he's a town!PR regardless of how much I hate that slot

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the fact that there was a 2person lynchpool but it ended up on someone who flipped town makes me think the other person has p high scum equity

@statistics request

How many times does this actually happen though
A failed D1 counter wagon being scum?

In my vast and huge experience, both wagons end up being town with scum pushing one, and the other "organically" forming from town, and scum can make a show with "hmmmm which one which one...., look at me scumhunt"

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Ok guys- how about we take a step back and think about the miller claim for a bit?

Assuming we forget the first few pages (where he claimed, and when he discussed), is bunny town or not?

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Lynch preference
nom x3 > dunn > urap2 => teacher
open to a miller policy, and a REALLY REALLY convincing "skitter is powerwolf" case (not from nom obviously) that I'll jump on just for wagon analysis purposes

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a step back and actually reread each others posting without the emotional 1v1

*inhales*


nomx3 is not capable of this, and needs to do this to like 3 other people as well

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pedit

case in point

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and there is little value in lynching teacher first but some value in lynching urap first to kill any lingering influence he might have

I have no idea how "lynching teacher first is worse"
But I can do VOTE: urap2

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Comrade is town

@buj- The same courtesy you're giving me in

Vork you are either town or you pocketed me well, congrats

I extend to NC

and let me just casually forget to quote the last 3 words in that quote

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hnnnng

I don't like this WIFOM appeal

you're still town thought

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Wait was that a lol-hammer?

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Oh no he's at L-1

urap2 full claim

somethings not right with the teacher vote on urap2.....

Spoiler:

I like urap’s positioning (on Deanius/Flubber/life) least. Also a lot more open to Salad.

VOTE: urap

I think I'm getting lynched here LOL

already gave my reads so

VOTE: u r a person 2

and there is little value in lynching teacher first but some value in lynching urap first to kill any lingering influence he might have

I have no idea how "lynching teacher first is worse"
But I can do VOTE: urap2

Fine, but i want it to be known for the record that i'm incredibly suspicous of both nom and nc and of how they're defending each other

VOTE: urap

I'm taking command I would much much MUCH rather be the one that puts their foot in their mouth and risking my own lynch to lynch my scumreads than have people blame obvtown for NK's they would NEVER EVER do.

Urap/teacher are scum. 3rd remains to be seen. I'm not convinced yet of DP's innocence, and I absolutely dislike skitter's pov right now, but like DP is vouched for by everyone and seems REAALLY confident of himself that he won't flip scum so I'm accepting it for now.

Urap/teacher or me. I'm not watching town lynch nero or nom. We lose to superior scum, they deserve it. We lose to such an obvious attempt at mislynching shoshin's pushers. No way I'm falling for that bait.

VOTE: URAP2

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oh ho ho hoooo

Scum losing their nerves and not wanting to bus?

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Honestly salad- there's only so far your "bad but honest" schtick can carry you in this game.
Eventually you're going to have to change gear because I can't say for sure how long my/our D1 impression of you will last for.

You're still in my town-graces but if we don't hit scum today then I'll seriously have to give your slot a reevaluation

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I see this as an absolute win!

Stop scumclaiming and help us win

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skitter

why do you spend so much time engaging with obv!scum
like...
don't make me call this scum theater

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Because i'm apparently incapable

it's ok- apparently I am on drugs as well

urap2 I'm 100% fine with claiming.
salad though... like... what did he even do besides NOT join in on this dog-pile?

the teacher vote on urap2 really bugs me though...