Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[u r a person 2]

look at this player list! I didn't remember signing up at first, but I'm glad I did

VOTE: teacher

How ya doin, long island?

[u r a person 2]

It’s healthier than being a polluted cesspool. What exit?

VOTE: urap. I am not.

142b

what are you not? Idgi

[u r a person 2]

and my state smells nice =(

[u r a person 2]

A person. It was weak sauce. So was the exit. I had planned to RVS you, but you bat me to the punch.

Last weekend of grading! Weeeeee

nice! That's gotta feel great
Does summer mean more time for mafia? =P

[u r a person 2]

That's awesome about the kids, teacher! I'm sure the standardized tests will be np

@Pika do you have much experience with skitter?

[u r a person 2]

wait I know the answer to that

so why did you choose her?

[u r a person 2]

I was trying to beat around the bush, but here's what i'm getting at

i considered voting skitter, but chose teacher because I know that skitter vla's on weekends

did you consider that when making your rvs vote?

[u r a person 2]

This isn't rvs! This is a night 0 guilty. Skitter killed someone in pregame

For shame, sir, to imply that my vote is just random

ok

should we let the pair of you self resolve and wagon someone else for the time being?

[u r a person 2]

Kind of a weird sentiment for page two there, Mr. Cigar.

I don't really want to engage with your claim or vote skitter because weekend, but I do want to play, and you're here

where should we vote? Join me on teacher and we'll play some Alice cooper?

[u r a person 2]

I was thinking School's Out but sure

[u r a person 2]

I think Cinn is probably town

[u r a person 2]

You should vote where your heart moves you to vote. When the time is right, and the person is right, you'll just know.

Do you think cinn is scum?

[u r a person 2]

lol ok

how about why do you think cinn is scum?

I think scum!cinn likely has their claim figured out before making it early d1

[u r a person 2]

but you're acting like cinn is experienced and he's not.

your whole reason for thinking Cinn is b/c you think he'd have his claim in order right?

yeah, in a nutshell. i don't think that's a small thing tho?

like experienced or not I think I'd dot my t's and cross my i's

no?

[u r a person 2]

He's asking you if you have proof which you obviously don't. I think we are the only two town in this setup.

I think saladman is town, too =/

[u r a person 2]

Boom.
In no universe does town ever agree with me here.
You are doing everything you can to appease the red giant and get me off your case at any cost.
Nuke Mic Drop

I think this is actually kind of townie..

it's been feeling pretty tvt to me mate

[u r a person 2]

And as an aside, I don't think that trying to case every post from someone is an effective way to push a read. I think it makes it harder to get people to join you lol

[u r a person 2]

And as an aside, I don't think that trying to case every post from someone is an effective way to push a read. I think it makes it harder to get people to join you lol

then how else would you get someone to sheep you?

I like to just say someone is scum over and over. once you have one or two people with you there as well, somebody will be like "hold up where's the case?" And then I spout out like 10 posts from the person with snarky 1 line commentary and they get lynched.

works pretty ok

[u r a person 2]

Why are there sad people when there's super convenient wifi

I have arrived

scummy entrance

feels like an experienced player's version of "hey guys!"

like, oh man I'm late to the thread again. time to present as confident

[u r a person 2]

I can see Vork's point about the "Don't know how to play this" comment at the beginning, but the rest of the points I don't really get.

saame

and this is to dunnstral, too: What's the scum!motivation for this push? is scum!vorkuta trying to get an early D1 lynch on a miller claim he knows is real?

[u r a person 2]

10/10 totally town entrance for you Buj.
As always.

What specifically didn't you like about his entrance?

[u r a person 2]

How many villains have you seen announce their arrival publicly and grandeously though? That was a totally innocent move that only comes from town.

I like your read on cinn tho

[u r a person 2]

Dunno

Best play is for them to towntell as hard as humanly possible

UNVOTE:

Are you still drunk?

Because that's a horrible post buddy.

why is it horrible?

I think I agree with him? Hold miller claim off till Lylo-1, and if he is obv town enough scum will have to kill him because town won't end up doing it at Lylo-1

[u r a person 2]

Get off the bunny now we aren't frying it today.

you said this 6 posts before he unvoted cinn..

why is the unvote bad?

[u r a person 2]

So you're scumreading Flubber and me, and town reading Cinn. Is that right?
got any other reads?

[u r a person 2]

@nom I don't think I played a passive opening to this game. What are you talking about?

[u r a person 2]

@nom I don't think I played a passive opening to this game. What are you talking about?

That's how it came across to me. I just didn't recognize your towngame.

VOTE: nom

show work please

[u r a person 2]

I am voting scum dude what are you on about

I just want you to show me how I've played a passive game

[u r a person 2]

ngl Vork the rating system you got going on seems scummy

And you were pushing the miller claim as fake.

But I think VOTE: nero cain is a better bet for scum flip

How would you have rated nom's response there?

[u r a person 2]

@nerfedbuj you said vort's rating system was scummy. He was rating a reaction by nom. Would you not have rated that reaction 0/10? It feels weird to me that you would call the rating scummy there, and i want to know how you would have differed if you were a judge at these games.

Spoiler:

@nom I don't think I played a passive opening to this game. What are you talking about?

That's how it came across to me. I just didn't recognize your towngame.

VOTE: nom

show work please

I am voting scum dude what are you on about

This is the best work I can come up with chief.

This is the best work I can come up with chief.

Low effort, 0/10, would not buy

ngl Vork the rating system you got going on seems scummy

And you were pushing the miller claim as fake.

But I think VOTE: nero cain is a better bet for scum flip

[u r a person 2]

Reminder that

The ratings are tongue in cheek to express my disapproval for nomx3's bad push on urap2 that I just don't buy.

Fuck it- my meta read on urap2 is based on a newbie game anyway, and seeing where this wagon leads us is interesting
VOTE: urap2

lol these are townie

[u r a person 2]

scum!urap tends to be more shitposty in my limited experience with the guy

using meta from a marathon game is bad

[u r a person 2]

I mean that's just URAP though.

The only times I've seen pushing something really hard is when he thinks something is 100% bullshit otherwise he tends to ask a lot of questions and make lengthy posts.

you're really not very good at using meta.

UNVOTE: for reasons

[u r a person 2]

Very amusing though when I've gotten named obvtown several times and been lynched as scum once specifically for not obvtowning.

Do you think you're obvtown here?

[u r a person 2]

this is mainly for Nom and I know he's not Bob but this IS similar to the same thing Bob did. Could this be a newbie scum tell?

teacher isn't what I would call a "newbie"

[u r a person 2]

Also- does scum!vork just go blazing all out for blood for a miller claim, and after it doesn't attract enough attention immediately I try to gut the next best person?

yeah probably

but i think you're just town

[u r a person 2]

I was talking about the time where I edited one of his posts to just include the relevant portion of his quote and he was all like "why you'd do that?!?"

What do you think of my scumreading teacher and DP for being useless with their votes?

I think these are personality tells that you're picking up on for teacher. I don't have a read on him yet, but these aren't reasons to scum read him

[u r a person 2]

Vorkuta is wildly scummy

How's that, now?

[u r a person 2]

I think I can see why people are reading scum into teacher but I really don't think any of it is outside of his town range. If anything, I think his asking about possible roles in the thread might be town-indicative for him. That's based on my read of him as a player not on a specific meta instance, though.

I think this is the scummiest part of his iso, lol

Spoiler:

It’s healthier than being a polluted cesspool. What exit?

VOTE: urap. I am not.

It’s healthier than being a polluted cesspool. What exit?

VOTE: urap. I am not.

142b

what are you not? Idgi

A person. It was weak sauce. So was the exit. I had planned to RVS you, but you bat me to the punch.

Last weekend of grading! Weeeeee

[u r a person 2]

TBF, what your quoting isn't even my main reason for scum reading him.

I mean I know we aren't svs so forgive me for discounting that bit

there's not much else from your case to quote =P

[u r a person 2]

Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

of the leftovers, why did you choose pikachu? why not stay on me, or hop on teacher?

[u r a person 2]

Oh I guess teacher hadn't really gotten votes at that point nm that part. still, why pika?

[u r a person 2]

Of all the cases or reasons presented by everyone including mine on you, nero's scumread on pikachu was the strongest.

=/

VOTE: bujaber
there really isn't much of a case from nero on DP. Can you tell my why you think his case is strong?

Right now you've got a bunch of posts that ping me, like this one where you also undercut your own scum read on me.

Unrelated, where did your initial town read on nomnom come from?

[u r a person 2]

The case on pikachu is stronger objectively and much more clearly specific to this game.

I don't know if there was enough in Nero's iso to even call it a case??

[u r a person 2]

A "case" is just a reason or a set of reasons. I'm scumreading him b/c he's sitting on an empty slot. Its a safe place to vote and you don't risk angering an OMGUS's town. What are even your reasons for scum reading anyone?

He said that your case on pika was his reason for voting there because it was the strongest and most compelling case. I'm just saying, I look at what you had about pika in your iso, and I wouldn't call it a case. strong, debatable. I think he was just talkin without really having done his homework, tho, i think it's scum indicative

[u r a person 2]

? what do you mean by self-resolve?

well, if he's a cop with a night zero, presumably he gets night killed pretty quick

he was talking about a claim, and I was just trying to get on to another topic by playing his game

[u r a person 2]

? i don't really see much townie in vork's push there .... ?

Vorkuta's push was bad, but I don't see scum motivation there?

[u r a person 2]

??? why is this a scummy entrance ....?
if anything i can see the post about timezones to be a scummy entrance of this kind but why is *this* post scummy?

I quoted this one because I was making the comparison to the greeting tell, but I should have quoted the second one as well, yes.

[u r a person 2]

so the fact that you're townreading things i find scummy is beginning to concern me

flipping on reads is a town tell, yea? especially abruptly and in the absence of an obvious catalyst

[u r a person 2]

never played with him, idk his meta
good tone, some of his posts just feel really townie, don't think scum decide to lolwagon someone they'd just declared a scumread; they're usually more conscientious about this sort of thing

that's part of my town read on vorkuta, ya =P

[u r a person 2]

Actually add BuJ to my townreads too. That was the slot who put words to what I thought urap and I were already doing in response to the cinnamon push. I also like many of the other posts.

Can you help me find town here because I think this is scum

otherwise im gonna push it

[u r a person 2]

townreading urap to voting him is really weird to come from scum

so.. like vorkuta

[u r a person 2]

Vorkuta (4):

skitter30, Dunnstral, nomnomnom,
teacher

u r a person 2 (2):

Nero Cain, Saladman27

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

NerfedBuJ (1):

u r a person 2

Not Voting (2):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

... do you not know that n0's aren't a thing in normals or ...?

yeah, i was aware it was a joke lol

that's why i suggested we let it self resolve, so we could move on

go reread the whole bit it will make sense i promise

[u r a person 2]

i mean idk if i inherently see scum motivation (ie why go out to kill the miller claim? idk) but like ... he was pushing the miler claim from the angle that it's scum fake-claiming and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

Is town fake claiming miller a thing?

like, if it's good for town to honestly claim miller, then it's also good for scum to sometimes fakeclaim miller. I pretty confident cinn is town, but if cinn isn't a miller, then they are probably scum not town. Even if you disagree with that, i don't think it's nuts for someone to approach it that way.

it's nice to have you here btw =)

[u r a person 2]

wut id urap is just scum that knows Vork is town?

seems very improbable

[u r a person 2]

It's the "Im MODIFIED miller" modification to the classic fake miller claim

... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

i don't understand. it's like any fake claim.if you're gonna fake claim miller you better do it right away

[u r a person 2]

Hello again to nom x3, Buj, Skitter, urap2, Dunn, NC, and Pika
Heyo to the rest of you!

I am ending RVS right here and right now
VOTE: No Lynch

Me as a person: hello

Me as a player: *sigh* you rolled scum again didn't you

This read couched in a joke pings me. like, why undercut the read if it's real

[u r a person 2]

Haven't finished reading and in an emergency meeting with my boss (a workaholic SOB), but yeah I'm pretty confident cinnamon is town or an exceptional actor because that claim and subsequent posts up to him realizing that he does in fact have a modifier and not 2 roles seems very genuine, I don't think that's how lying looks like.

I am still pro-PL'ing millers before lylo so we"ll discuss again when we're closer to lylo.

I agree with the analysis of course, but the tone + the pl comment feels like a tmi read

[u r a person 2]

How many villains have you seen announce their arrival publicly and grandeously though? That was a totally innocent move that only comes from town.

The facetious second sentence kind of softens the idea that buj is using this as a defense, but this is a way of swiping the legs out from under vork saying his entrance was scummy.

[u r a person 2]

It makes sense to me and that is how I play. We will likely lynch all scum before we get to it anyway. If you are against it when I bring it up again later in the game we can debate then.

tmi about cinn again? probably a stretch

[u r a person 2]

Actually urap.. I think nom is town and you feel like you're gauging people's feelings to get a sense for the starus quo.

VOTE: u r a person

That should answer your question regardless of what you were referring to.

this is weird because he all of a sudden has a town read there, but then immediately after agrees with me (and vork, whom he had criticized for the rating) that nom had a scummy response?

I think his misunderstanding over what i was asking led to him tripping up when he had to answer it because he put the town read on nom

[u r a person 2]

no, the modified 'miller is only part of my role' part, not the fake-claiming miller part

I agree that the way cinn rolled it out was townie as hell

and i dunno what the scum modified part would be lol could be whatever for whatever plan

[u r a person 2]

today is going to be a busy day for me; i'll catch up tonight.

[u r a person 2]

i know you're an alt but can you give me a ballpark of how many games we've played together: one, some, a lot, etc?

or not even that but how well you know my game?

I've played with you enough that sorting you day 1 is my #1 priority, let's say that

smart plan =)

[u r a person 2]

I dislike nom's early iso but the vork+ stuff makes me think she's more null than null-scum, the vork unvote revote would almost make me lean town if I didn't dislike the bujaber vote from earlier

the bujaber vote was good and more people should be voting there!

why are they town?

[u r a person 2]

Haven't finished reading and in an emergency meeting with my boss (a workaholic SOB), but yeah I'm pretty confident cinnamon is town or an exceptional actor because that claim and subsequent posts up to him realizing that he does in fact have a modifier and not 2 roles seems very genuine, I don't think that's how lying looks like.

I am still pro-PL'ing millers before lylo so we"ll discuss again when we're closer to lylo.

This is what I meant by Buj's entrance, I actually forgot there were posts before this one

You didn't think this was a 'townie entrance' (given it's his first post that isn't fluff)? @Vork

I think it reads kinda tmi actually. the tone is too confident and i don't like the talking about pl'ing later

i mean, if you really think it out, and buj is presenting as if he has, it's bad play for town to pl the miller claim right before lylo consistently. Ideally, town wants there to be some chance that they won't do that so that scum will consider night killing the miller if it's real. So I'd expect a player like buj to assert a town read and then wait until the day before lylo or whatever to push a PL if scum hasn't killed there.

[u r a person 2]

I did, in fact, read

then you'll see that scum funaki's slot's predecessor fakeclaimed miller as scum AS WELL

Can you point it out?

This whole line of questioning seems bad. What are you trying to gain from this?

Assuming (because I'm not the one who is going to do the meta fact checking lol), that vorkuta linked a game where town fake claimed miller in his links for games where scum had fake claimed miller

Is that alignment-indicative? if so, why? Because I don't really think it is

[u r a person 2]

Just want to say that I am not exactly confident on my vork townread based on him pinging me early on, but this is the first time I'm the one townreading vork and others are pushing him. Usually I am the only one scumreading him. I know it's very anecdotal and a small sample of games but it's not sitting right with me.

Sorry if being dense, but

It's not sitting right with you that the situation is reversed. okay. What does that imply?

[u r a person 2]

So it is strange. Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch or he managed to pocket me despite being even more annoying than usual. (No offence vork it's not you it's just how you post)
I don't like either of those options.

I guess you kind of answered it. I think vorkuta is lynchbait this game a lot of the time. I don't know if it's being pushed by town or by scum rn tho.

Is there another option that you would like better? It's weird to say that you think everything points to these two options but that you don't think either of those options are right

[u r a person 2]

Again, this is just town!urap like I know him. I know he doesn't like me delving in turbo games because they are meaningless to him but these games tend to exacerbate someone's tendencies in general, and those tendencies is that scum!urap tends to be a bit more shitposty/passive until he is pushed and will go in "URGH" more really fast. I think that's not the case here.

Skitter also implied that his townread on Vorkuta was outlandish and a reason for the scumread on him but like, I've seen urap make pretty outlandish cases before that definitely attracted my attention, and he happened to be town. I don't know.

marathon games are worthless for meta, and this meta read on me is bad. I don't think I make outlandish cases as either alignment?

[u r a person 2]

Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch

Why would scum pick town!vorkuta as a day 1 mislynch? I mean objectively speaking if you were scum here, wouldn't your mind go towards the more lurk-ish people, where it's easier to make a case on? Because that's definitely easier than to go against a player like vorkuta here.

Because you get the loud/good players out of the way early, so you can mislynch the lurky players later with little resistance. You always try to mislynch/kill those with thread presence early.

Why did you choose to make this the subject of your first post after 10+ pages of content?

[u r a person 2]

I guess I'll give Vork this point, it's that people only followed Vork's case when Skitter appeared in the thread and made that case despite me presenting the exact same arguments. THAT is strange.

If Vorkuta is town, would you say that makes skitter town?

Like, is it some combination of scum and town following town skitter? or do you think the same thing happens in a world with scum!skitter?

[u r a person 2]

tbh that fact alone means that if vork is actually town, teacher is probably 100% scum here. And even then that kind of observation makes me think that it could be an equally good lynch for today.

wait, why

[u r a person 2]

When you have two people making the same case but the one that was made later down the road with the exact same argument has a player joining it simply because it actually took off this time, that's scummy. And that's what teacher did here.

??

you were only voting vorkuta for like 50 posts, and teacher had no posts during that time

real life is a thing

[u r a person 2]

Cinn was townlean because of the whole vorkuta reaching fiasco

cinn is town because vorkuta made a reachy scum case against them?

[u r a person 2]

saladman reads are pretty townie overall i think

[u r a person 2]

i think i had townvibes earlier on salad, i kinda lost them

i just went in the opposite direction, so... why? =P

[u r a person 2]

i can see buj sincerely believing that policying the miller claim day before lylo is optimal

(i just saw him park on someone he was townreading because they claimed scum so)

I guess. That whole post pings me tho. Like, the idea of rushing a post in the middle of the meeting to make sure your town read gets out there a week or whatever before eod? I see a scum motivation for that, but not really a town one outside of exuberance for playing the game~

I could see scum wanting to make sure they were out ahead of them becoming a consensus town read for credit tho

do you think I'm way off base here?

[u r a person 2]

ok, why are they townie?

you're asking about saladman, ya?

[u r a person 2]

ok, why are they townie?

saladman reads are pretty townie overall i think

His first set of reads or his second? or both?

oh I see what you guys are asking

I'm talking about the reads he gave in 605-610. He's laying it all out there on request, in fairly short order. Some of them, like the read on nom I think show a townie thought process and solving. There's no immediately identifiable scum agenda outside of trying to get himself town read.

[u r a person 2]

i mean that's why i'm asking why you like his reads ... to me they read kinda banal and like the reasons were nonsensical/didn't actually explain the read

yes, I agree that a bunch of them were like that. Should I expect dramatically more from town!saladman?

[u r a person 2]

urap do u think i should be townreading u here?

of course not

[u r a person 2]

no idea, never played with him before

the reasons he gave kinda sounded like he made them up on the spot tho
like he didn't have conviction behind most of his reads and when pressured, his reads defaulted to 'well i guess other people were townreading them so i will too' etc

I agree that he did that. I'll take another look tonight or tomorrow. I just wanted to catch up here rq but today was busy and tomorrow is going to be too

[u r a person 2]

no idea, never played with him before

the reasons he gave kinda sounded like he made them up on the spot tho
like he didn't have conviction behind most of his reads and when pressured, his reads defaulted to 'well i guess other people were townreading them so i will too' etc

I agree that he did that. I'll take another look tonight or tomorrow. I just wanted to catch up here rq but today was busy and tomorrow is going to be too

I could see this coming from scum, but from a personality perspective I think the loss of conviction when pressured is probably more likely to come from town!salad. also, this is just a slot better suited to being solved d2 and onwards imo

VOTE: evildeanius

[u r a person 2]

sooooooo this kind of sheeping makes me nervous

why, tho?

[u r a person 2]

Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch

Why would scum pick town!vorkuta as a day 1 mislynch? I mean objectively speaking if you were scum here, wouldn't your mind go towards the more lurk-ish people, where it's easier to make a case on? Because that's definitely easier than to go against a player like vorkuta here.

Because you get the loud/good players out of the way early, so you can mislynch the lurky players later with little resistance. You always try to mislynch/kill those with thread presence early.

Why did you choose to make this the subject of your first post after 10+ pages of content?

buj doesn't appear to be a thing right this second, which is =/

Evil deanius could be scum, and if now is the time that people want to poke him with a stick, I'm game why not

[u r a person 2]

Urap how are you reading me?

I'm not even really trying yet, skitter.
I think you're easily in your town and scum ranges

[u r a person 2]

But I posted because I saw a growing wagon on an early miller claim which is a bad strategy imo to lynch miller claims day 1. I townread cinnamon which made it even worse as a push. What was particularly concerning is that it looked like it had real potential to grow because it was being pushed by nero who has a substantial amount of influence in games on average. I had no idea at the time he was fake pushing. I felt at the time that it was urgent enough to warrant publicly opposing the wagon.
I'm not really a watch from afar kind of player.

@Nero does it make sense to you that Buj would think that you could have pushed through a lynch on cinn during early D1?

[u r a person 2]

Ngl this post kinda makes me want to vote u ...

Why arent u trying to read me yet?

I just meant that as I've been reading your posts, nothing has struck me as being AI for you, which stems from me really not having a solid grasp of what is AI for you. You've got good overlap between town and scum and I don't have a tonal or holistic tell for you that I'm confident in, so if you're scum I think I'll probably have to catch you through poe or some manner of gamestate read.

[u r a person 2]

Too fast or stalling?

why did you ask this question

[u r a person 2]

didn't u have a grasp of my scumgame in tris's game that just ended ...?
(ie reading me based on making posts that u thought were outside my scumrange)
that's why i'm confused why ur reading me differently here

We had a very active back and forth early and into d2 i think? that made it pretty easy to get a read on you, though even that was primarily rooted in the sheer quantity of interaction. you know, stemming from the skitter doesn't like rt interactions as scum meta that is obviously a major simplification

maybe we'll get to that point in this game, but I'd prefer to find a way to read you that doesn't require one of us calling the other scum for a week real time lol

[u r a person 2]

like take this interaction we're having here. it feels a lot like last game, and i don't really remember you digging this deep when you were hydra with rc

so that seems townie

but do I think from what I know of your game that you are incapable of this as scum? no way

[u r a person 2]

@urap are you voting evil because *i* am, or because other people are voting him (incidentally including me)?

the latter

but also that last post by them wasn't good so I'm liking where my vote is at atm

[u r a person 2]

@skitter do you think that I'm trying to pocket you?

[u r a person 2]

i'm still mulling it over

You just gave me deja vu

Subject: micro 858: silver 3 (ended game)

The three worst slots in the game are on starwing and u2 literally just said "I'm pondering"

[u r a person 2]

Because I had issues with timing as stalling and counterwagonining but the tone suggested too fast. Wanted to be sure I understood their point.

You mentioned that earlier and I didn't really understand it then, either. It didn't seem slow to me

Can you help me see it from your pov?

[u r a person 2]

I mean it stalled out fmpov when more people had been scumreading the slot, and then switched pretty fast to me. The pace of it did not feel natural on the way down.

gotcha. I thought we were talking about the way up rather than the way down.

[u r a person 2]

Nero/skitter/nerfed
Cinnamon/Dunn/URaP
Pikachu
——————-
Nom
Salad
—————-
Vork
(Deanius/Flubber)

so then looking at your most recent reads list,

dean and flubber are there because the gamestate feels like one scum is in the empty slots, ya? What is it that makes that likely?

and then nom and salad are null because if vork flips scum you'll scum read at least one of them, and if he flips town you'll town read them?

[u r a person 2]

i'm still mulling it over

You just gave me deja vu

Subject: micro 858: silver 3 (ended game)

The three worst slots in the game are on starwing and u2 literally just said "I'm pondering"

a) i'm not sure what you're trying to highlight
b) i'm actually not sure if i wrote that or not - i can't tell if it was me or rc, i think it was rc

it was rc spewing me scum for saying that I was pondering something

and mulling reminded me of it. I don't actually think it's AI. I just had a visceral reaction to RC backhanding me over it in that game and it left an impact lol

[u r a person 2]

Yup generally on all that.

On ED/Flubbber, I don’t believe I’ve ever not seen a game where at least one scum is not on the bottom of the activity levels. If memory serves, when in doubt lynch from the bottom up is TW’s tell. Regardless of who it is I agree.

oh, well that game where skitter/rc and me/slaxx were scum is the exception that proves the rule lol

but yes, I think it was mhsmith who likes to say that, and he's not wrong

[u r a person 2]

I don't think people should be voting teacher

nuanced and consistent reads based on play and gamestate

like, not D1 lol

[u r a person 2]

I don’t wanna lynch teach on d1 since he’s currently giving out good reads, basically urap’s reason on 799

who do you want to lynch?

[u r a person 2]

I don’t really know...

ok well why don't you think about it and get back to me =)

[u r a person 2]

i kinda scumread this and townread this at the same time ^^^

saame

[u r a person 2]

I'm not understanding "I don't want to engage" vs. "no way thats real so fuck off"

I think if you read it, you'll see that I clearly knew it was false, but I was playing along anyway to be friendly. It's like when a child tells you about their imaginary friend. You say, that's nice dear and you ask them how school went.

[u r a person 2]

In post 68, u r a person 2 wrote:
You should vote where your heart moves you to vote. When the time is right, and the person is right, you'll just know.

Didn't really like this responce to me asking if I should sheep him on Teacher. IDK if this post was the one that made me think they were cross voting scumbuddies or if I was already thinking that.

this is my go to sentiment whenever someone asks me where they should vote. It's your vote, you figure it out.

[u r a person 2]

In post 329, u r a person 2 wrote:
I mean I know we aren't svs so forgive me for discounting that bit

this felt odd. Why did he feel the need to specify that we aren't SvS? Are we SvT here and he's the scum in the equation?

iirc you asked me to comment on your case or something

and most of the case focused on me being svs with someone. I said that to show that I wasn't ignoring those sections, just that they were not worthwhile from my perspective because they had a flawed premise. lemme go look at it

[u r a person 2]

TBF, what your quoting isn't even my main reason for scum reading him.

TBF, what your quoting isn't even my main reason for scum reading him.

I mean I know we aren't svs so forgive me for discounting that bit

there's not much else from your case to quote =P

yeah here it is. You said that I wasn't addressing your main reason for scum reading him. When I looked back in your iso, the main reason seemed to revolve around us being svs. I was telling you that I wasn't addressing it because it's not relevant to my solve. I know it's wrong.

[u r a person 2]

but why did you care about being friendly with DP?

It was the start of the game, and being friendly is a good thing. Why would I be antagonistic over a joke claim

[u r a person 2]

And you talk about my lack of reads - if you want my reads you can always just ask. Here one sec I'll do a readslist up for ya

[u r a person 2]

01. nomnomnom
02. Cinnamon - town
03. NerfedBuJ - scum lean
04. skitter30 - null scum
05. u r a person 2 - yay it's me
06. Saladman27 - town
07. teacher - town
08. Dunnstral - I had a town lean on this but I don't remember why. Will come back to it
09. Nero Cain - null scum
10. EvilDeanius - scum lean
11. Detective Pikachu - town
12. Flubbernugget - null scum
13. Vorkuta

- town

[u r a person 2]

that last one was suposed to be vorkuta town

I wasn't just signing it

-Town

LOL

[u r a person 2]

Why are Skitter and I null scum?

Your playstyle makes it difficult to read you. You have an aggressive, or quick to the point tone at all times that makes it tough to get a tone read. You have a bad push on cinn that you've called fake but, like i said, it's hard to tell from tone if that's real

you have another bad push on me in the sense that you're wrong. As I'm gaining experience with you I'm sure I'll figure it out but right now I don't see why I should be town reading you? None of your reads or pushes seem outlandish for scum here

Skitter I gotta pull up posts for

[u r a person 2]

I feel like that would make a good meme hydra, "Scum and Town"

One player signs -scum, other player signs -town

let's do it

[u r a person 2]

i mean idk if i inherently see scum motivation (ie why go out to kill the miller claim? idk) but like ... he was pushing the miler claim from the angle that it's scum fake-claiming and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

I just grabbed the first related quote I found but this whole argument I found suspect. Skitter have disagreed plenty on reads, and I sometimes think she is a bit stubborn holding onto her reads, so I don't think this is necessarily out of her town range

but it doesn't make sense to me to argue that vorkuta should have considered that cinn could have been town fake claiming

while also saying that it's implausible that cinn would fake claim as scum

there's at least one other thing that I remember pinging me

[u r a person 2]

i think i had townvibes earlier on salad, i kinda lost them

i just went in the opposite direction, so... why? =P

oh yeah the saladman read

I thought those reads were pretty townie and I'm surprised that skitter didn't

[u r a person 2]

how come you never called me out b4 now?

Why would I lol

[u r a person 2]

let's do it

Sure

sweet I'll pm you

[u r a person 2]

b/c if you were town it would be doing your job?

I don't think I'm going to get a read off of you by pulling you into a 1v1 for a tone read

[u r a person 2]

Urap you around?

kinda what's up

[u r a person 2]

Actually urap.. I think nom is town and you feel like you're gauging people's feelings to get a sense for the starus quo.

VOTE: u r a person

That should answer your question regardless of what you were referring to.

Like I think this reaction is probably scum indicative. He didn't understand what I was asking, okay, but just jumps to I'm scummy because I'm trying to gauge people's feelings? It's a big stretch to go from what I was asking to I'm just trying to figure out where I can mislynch. And buj isn't vorkuta, so it's probably more likely from scum than town

The read doesn't make sense considering his eventual answer to the question, either.

I think I've talked about this before

[u r a person 2]

Also ignore who Nero is pushing and focus on how they’re doing it. It’s +town.

do you mean his interrogative style?

[u r a person 2]

I feel like he's scum's last-minute designated ML and I remember liking some of his posts.

What about the deadline being seven days away makes this feel “last minute”???

I liked that you called out early posts, which justified your early read. I liked that it showed a consistent focus on how a player was using their vote - a consistent scunhuntubg mindset. I liked some of the analysis on his wording - even as I disagree with it and view it as playstyle rather than alignment.

You’ve shown me how you think. It is consistent. And it is an approach I do not have so it can help me.

I mean that bit about him consistently looking at votes is probably dead on for reading new players, but I don't think pushing people for not using their vote is outside most scum ranges. Is that really why you town read him?

[u r a person 2]

557 is iioa, why do you think that is town indicative?

if you think that's IIOA then I don't think you know what IIOA is.

It's not IIOA but it's a scummy post lol

[u r a person 2]

Yeah but he's not giving a read of vork. He's saying that vork could be pushed by scum which is like, ok it's fair to shut down nom's bad argument there but it's not a read of vork directly.

yeah, that's why it's scummy

He makes his first post in like 300 posts (with no further posts for another long stretch) and the one post that was worth making in that period was that?

no me gusta

[u r a person 2]

Nomnom is town af this game, mate

Her interactions with vorkuta early felt tvt

I played with nom in her first scum game and there is a tone to her scum play when she's pushing that I don't see here

no way do I want a nom lynch today

[u r a person 2]

im townreading vork ya

[u r a person 2]

I'll get to this game sometime this afternoon or early evening

[u r a person 2]

You know actually I think this is the post I was thinking of. I couldn't find it in vork's iso cause flubber wrote it lol. I must have been pretty out of it yesterday morning

I've done this

it's worrying to me that we're so far apart on this read tho. Is there anything that you scum read in his iso? Otherwise, I'll town case him later

[u r a person 2]

Cinnamon what do you think of 848? How easy is it for scum to fake a post like that?

I think it's one of the more townie things they've said but I wouldn't consider it outside of the ability of scum to say it.

Why is it a town-indicative post?

[u r a person 2]

I would be surprised if flubber flipped scum.
Could the people voting there switch to another wagon?

Why are you town reading him? =/

[u r a person 2]

What town are you finding in vork? I thought that earlier you were not townreading him

I don't really hate urap's reasons to townread Vork even if I'm not as convinced as he is, but he's my strongest tr rn and I kinda feel like his argument here does make Vork maybe above rand town

He's still toward the bottom of my list but right now I basically just don't have three scumreads. I have ED, who I think might just flip scum, I have Vork who is vouched for by urap for reasons that aren't total nonsense, I have flubber who I see one slightly townie post from even if it's not enough to solid townread, and teacher who I kinda just need to see over a longer span I think to get a better sense of his flow.

I kinda don't want to start going into max paranoia on my lighter townreads until I have a flip tho tbh

this is a townie post

[u r a person 2]

Also to all of you suggesting evilD I implore you to reconsider.

I'd take ED over teacher any day of the week

[u r a person 2]

that didn't sound great =O

[u r a person 2]

Teacher seens town enough to me

What's the case on ED?

Looks like an apathy lynch going off the iso

@flubber do you have a read on ED of your own?

[u r a person 2]

still feel p good about town!pika

same

[u r a person 2]

so ... you're calling me scummy for something that i'm calling *you* scummy for ... but like delayed by half a week? if this was bothering you why didn't u bring it up a while ago? like iirc there was a fairly decent gap between whent hose things happened and when you're calling me out on it, and iirc in between u basically said u didn't have a read on me

I mean, I don't really have a read on you, which is what those posts say?

I don't understand why you calling me scummy for town reading that push by vorkuta has to do with me calling you scummy for scum reading that aspect.

As to when I bring things up, I bring things up when I think of them and have reason to. I think I've approached your slot in a pretty transparent fashion


LOL yeah I guess I am kind of saying that you calling me scummy for that was scummy. I dunno about the delay, skitter. I post stuff when I think of it. I wasn't really efforting a read on you, and you basically challenged me to get one. This is what I've got rn.

What do you think about flubber's ED read/read on the ED wagon?

[u r a person 2]

In post 1043, skitter30 wrote:
like do u townread him or just don't want to lynch a lurker?

The latter. It would still feel REALLY bad for me to go for this lynch today, but eh.

Nom, this thinking incentivizes scum lurking. You should take the best lynch available. Sometimes that's a lurker, sometimes it isn't

[u r a person 2]

I personally think that flubber's drunk posting and then "soberposting" comes from scum.

y?

i thought that was the towniest part of his iso tbh?

I think it's NAI. I thought drunk posting was pretty town-indicative, but I just got burned on that again in a recently completed game. I'm SURE that town can do it, but I don't even know if I've seen it from town yet

like, you remember when RC pretended to be drunk posting for a hot sec in schadd's game?

same thing but better executed just came from scum in a more recent game. I'll get you the link if you want it

[u r a person 2]

well to sunday
i don't really have significant thoguhts on this post
i feel like i should but i just don't

I think this post is townie?

I'd like it more if it didn't have the last line

[u r a person 2]

teacher (3): nomnomnom, Nero Cain, NerfedBuJ
EvilDeanius (3): Detective Pikachu, u r a person 2, teacher
Flubbernugget (3): Vorkuta, skitter30, Cinnamon

huh

i would bet on at least one scum in teacher/ed/flubber

with ed > flubber > teacher being the most likely i think?

maybe even 2

I agree with the order

[u r a person 2]

*grumbles disapprovingly*
VOTE: Dunn
-Beetlejuice & Activity
-Please do something other than tunnel me

no, bad vote

What is your dunn read based on? I don't have much meta experience here

[u r a person 2]

also ngl i kinda think the fact that flubber *didn't* get quite as much traction is scum-indicative

This implies active scum but I could see a world where the top 5 posters are all town

[u r a person 2]

You know I kinda hate the fact that I feel it's going to be another game where we don't reach a consensus on reads and we end up doing weird stuff as a result.

At least this is the impression that this day 1 gives me so far.

I have no faith in an EvilD lynch right now, it's basically admitting that no one has a case and that as a result it's better to go for the weirdo lurker. Like he could be the most obvious scum in the world or the easiest lynchbait.

This feels bad dude.

No, this is not a good reason to abandon a wagon. First, there is content to be read. It's not like he's a completely empty slot. Second, there are game states where the lurkers are great lynches. Game states like this one that have felt a lot like a town circle jerk

[u r a person 2]

nom, how are u reading urap?

heeeeh, kinda lost track of him to be honest

which is probably a good thing when it comes to me reading people?

I'd say null. Not day 1 lynch material.

bookmarking this for later

[u r a person 2]

VOTE: saladman

Tbh I wouldn't feel awful about a wagon on me right now.

Just note that as I get to L1 nobody is going to get nervous

yikes

this would also be fine, yeah

[u r a person 2]

Pile it on

This isnt a reaction that comes from scum i think?

Skitter, do you have much experience with flubber? I've interacted with him more outside of mafia games than in. I don't even know if we've played together before, but this fits with my personality read on him. I think he can make this post as either alignment

and he kind of has to after that post I yikes'd lol

[u r a person 2]

That readlist is all sorts of weird.

Nullish line

Dunn
EvilD
Urap2
Teacher
Pika

Scum

The rest are all town

I would really like to wagon this slot, though

Can I get any interest here at all please?

[u r a person 2]

As for the rti thing that's just some weird shade. It's like you can't just accept I townread you you have to do something sneaky.

She plays at different times than I do and she was vla a lot this game. Also I don't force conversations. I don't have a way to really explain why you're town to me. I've slso not given this game that much attention. My motivation fluctuates. Especislly when I don't feel my reads changing at all despite other people not agreeing. Like we're definitely at an impasse as town and so the importance of lynching right day 1 becomes significantly less. We just need info at this point to change it up a little have people say new things.

Like, this is a scum motivation masked by makeup and cheap perfumes

[u r a person 2]

As for the rti thing that's just some weird shade. It's like you can't just accept I townread you you have to do something sneaky.

She plays at different times than I do and she was vla a lot this game. Also I don't force conversations. I don't have a way to really explain why you're town to me. I've slso not given this game that much attention. My motivation fluctuates. Especislly when I don't feel my reads changing at all despite other people not agreeing. Like we're definitely at an impasse as town and so the importance of lynching right day 1 becomes significantly less. We just need info at this point to change it up a little have people say new things.

Like, this is a scum motivation masked by makeup and cheap perfumes

[u r a person 2]

Teacher is the one on that list I'm not down to lynch

Can u get ur vote on someone in this group then?

I'm still trying to figure out what makes ED a better lynch than the other lurkers

Continued absence of a read of his own

[u r a person 2]

I agree but if there was scum somewhere in nero/vork/teacher I wouldn't be like, shocked. I just see no reason to start there unless to resolve dunn v. Vork which has gotten a bit dumb. But I'm also kinda feeling on evild like dunn seems to feel on vork which is that I kinda just want to see the flip at this point

Like if I'm wrong there's so much of my poe I need to reassess I want to be doing that day 2 not still wondering about a slot that won't do more than 4 posts in a week

Pedit: urap want to skim that last not known 15 completed large where flubber was scum and lmk if you see any diff/sim. Would link but I'm on mobile atm

no I wouldn't be shocked either, that wasn't really the point tho

uh I don't really want to do meta, no

If you spoon feed it to me I will I guess

[u r a person 2]

I just read through flubber's iso in that game

and like, yeah I see differences. He didn't say welcome his wagon in the same way for sure

I don't really do meta dives because I know that I won't go far enough to get a meaningful result, and if I do, I'll probably burn out

[u r a person 2]

I would like to see today's lynch be on one of
NerfedBuj
EvilDeanius
Flubbernugget

I could compromise onto others, but why don't we stick to one of those three =)

[u r a person 2]

Actually no the follow-up responses discussing Creature actually look like this, so I guess there's the very small risk that Flubber red flip very slightly spews nom scum but the unvote also looks kinda different.

Actually I might just be wasting my time here, I thought meta would make him more sortable but actually this doesn't look nearly as different as I thought it would other than the unvotes

That's where I'm at, mate. Thank you for not asking me to dig through more lol

[u r a person 2]

What do you think about flubber's ED read/read on the ED wagon?

honestly if he's scum ... why doesn't he just hop on?

doesn't want to be on a bad wagon or doesn't want to bus?

[u r a person 2]

I am fine not waiting with a replacement

this d1 is almost too long for later day rereads as is

[u r a person 2]

skitter30/nomnomnom both look towny to me, and nobody else seems to be concerned with vorkuta, so I think this is a good lynch

What was your skitter read based on at this point?

[u r a person 2]

One of the examples Vorkuta listed has a town miller in it

And it features a town Vorkuta pushing a miller and an ascetic claim all game

And it features a town miller with another power role

Vorkuta does seem different to that game though.

Does anybody else want to read Mini 2070? How come Nero didn't realize that Vorkuta brought up the game he modded that had a real miller in it when trying to show off scum fake claims?

I still don't know how an inconsistency like this ever leads back to a conclusion on alignment

[u r a person 2]

I could see scum!dunn

Nothing dunn has pushed vorkuta for is scum-indicative, and some is probably town-indicative lol

[u r a person 2]

i like his vork read
i also think his 'i don't give a fuck until we lynch this guy' ness is kinda townie

putting aside the vorkuta read, the second one is not a pro-town play style, and I don't know if I can think of a player who plays like this as town, can you?

I mean, we're not talking about just tunneling here. We're talking about what-is-the-point-of-playing nihilism until vorkuta gets lynched

This is probably just scum-indicative

[u r a person 2]

My bigger concern is that other people do seem to have a read

it's not an empty slot mate, why shouldn't they have a read?

[u r a person 2]

Last time we played together you were vt, I was scum, and I tried coasting the game off a scum read on you.

My scum game isn't great but I'm well past having to lurk it out

I'd ask you for the game link, but if I don't remember it, it's probably not hot and really I'll take any excuse not to meta someone

[u r a person 2]

There's enough content and scum reads on active players that it doesn't make sense to be wagoning a lurker, and I'm not going to fake a read on a slot with such little content like the rest of the town seems to take solace in.

I've asked multiple people multiple times to talk to me about why ED is scum because I'm not going to be able to start brute force looking through the thread for them and have been ignored.

What is your read on ED?

I'd prefer not to lynch the active-towns or the possible-towns-with-great-future-potential, so scum!lurker is a pretty good bet

ED read incoming

[u r a person 2]

Please designate your best player so I may vote them to assert dominance

"I don't even want responsibility for my RVS vote!"

Fits profile of scum!lurk out

[u r a person 2]

I can see Vork's point about the "Don't know how to play this" comment at the beginning, but the rest of the points I don't really get. Adding the WIFOM of it being a modifier can only help us. If somebody scum reads them, the fact that they've softed PR should mean nothing until they make an actual claim.

In post 116, Flubbernugget wrote:
Im drunk

Oh boy, I've been here before.

So he supports vorks push but with a hedge, and then argues against anyone taking the claim into account while making their reads. It's fence-sitting to the extreme

hold on i just got an email and I gotta see if I'm gonna be able to buy dave chappelle tickets or not hold this thought

[u r a person 2]

that dude wants 315 bucks for the back of the house =/ guess i'll watch the special on tv

What purpose does PLing a Miller ever have?

What purpose does PLing a Miller ever have?

Annihilates the chances of any scum winning by claiming it.

You can apply that to any role, the only difference is the inability to investigate it.

An investigative role isn't going to be able to check everyone, so you treat it the same as an unchecked VT, lynch them if they're scummy, keep them alive if they're not. Lynching them purely because of the claim doesn't make sense.

Again, this is a scum motivation that allows him to not take a position on the very townie miller claim and keep them in the possible lynch pool

[u r a person 2]

Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch

Why would scum pick town!vorkuta as a day 1 mislynch? I mean objectively speaking if you were scum here, wouldn't your mind go towards the more lurk-ish people, where it's easier to make a case on? Because that's definitely easier than to go against a player like vorkuta here.

Because you get the loud/good players out of the way early, so you can mislynch the lurky players later with little resistance. You always try to mislynch/kill those with thread presence early.

Try to find the town motivation where the singular post that they make in a roughly 450 post period is this one, dead in the middle of that lapse. I can't find it

[u r a person 2]

This was supposed to be closely followed by a reads list I'm half way through. But unfortunately irl stuff got in the way, then I got distracted and it's still only like half done rn.

I think it's a fair bet that this reads list never existed

[u r a person 2]

I mean what scum have u seen have that mindset early in the game

I don't know if I have an exact analogue. It's not a common thing

but it's kinda what I did in my first scum game in the newbie queue with teacher

I came in, found a scum read, voted and pushed there until they got lynched

[u r a person 2]

What bothers me the most about that is that I think we all pretty clearly designated it was skitter and he just did not follow up, didn't vote her, had no interactions

like it's a bravado "I'm gonna fite someone big" post and then he just nopes out of the thread wtf?

This kind of fits my profile of scum lurk out

Most of the time lurk outs seem to come in with the best of intentions but games can be hard ig

[u r a person 2]

We're going to go nowhere if I stay in my little corner and everyone does the same, we're reaching deadline day without a strong consensus or push. What's the purpose of being stubborn here except cause confusion?

What I think is best is having a cohesive mindset. Scumreads aren't worth anything if you haven't convinced anyone and we just look at each other saying "LOOK THAT GUY IS SCUM SHEEP ME ALREADY" if nobody actually follows anyone you know? It's pointless.

lol calm down we have plenty of time

[u r a person 2]

Hi shoshin! I think you're scum. Why did you town read your slot before replacing in?

[u r a person 2]

What caused you to scumread my slot, U2?

How was it obv town?

Also, I just went through that, so it's close to the top of the iso can't be missed

[u r a person 2]

Why are you still voting me, U2?

...because I scumread your slot?

[u r a person 2]

Like, I get that you're presenting as having an obv!town predecessor

but if you're town it would really help the game if you could give some shit for us to read you by, you know?

[u r a person 2]

Why hasn't my replacement changed your read, U2? You think I'd replace into a scum slot?

I have no idea what your replace-in meta is, nor am I willing to work to find out

[u r a person 2]

I never replace into a slot that's scum. See, for example, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11021122

I thought you'd know this, U2. You were in a recent game I replaced out of as scum after posting almost nothing substantive.

I don't know what game you replaced out of as scum off the top of my head, but I remember you playing a lengthy mini as scum and you were well engaged throughout so

[u r a person 2]

but if you're trying to say that you literally do not play as scum, then that's either a lie (because I've seen you do it), or a newly developed trust tell =/

[u r a person 2]

The recent newbie game with the worst. I was replaced after posting nothing substantive. My presence was so minimal that you don't even remember me in the game.

I have never played a lengthy mini as scum. The only mini I played as scum was short. I was lynched early on D1 after a bit of lurking.

In that newbie, you were replaced by a mod with a short leash.. You actually posted after being replaced because you didn't realize you had been replaced...

And we played a little mini thing you, me, rc, suadade and michael scott

jingle ran it

you were scum

[u r a person 2]

you've asked a lot of questions, how about answering one of mine first?

how was your predecessor town?

[u r a person 2]

ok well that's an answer i guess

if you're town, and you only replace into obv town slots

then you should probably be able to town case him for me pretty easily

[u r a person 2]

and even if we take your replace-meta as a given, your read on me doesn't make sense. you say that I should be reading you town because of that meta, but as we just demonstrated this isn't my experience with you.

In fact, the last game you actually flaked out of completely was our first game together - you were town!

so no, I don't see any reason to unvote lol

[u r a person 2]

I’ve always rolled town w him. He reads me as town in most games, but hedges. He has a fairly accurate capture of me as a person.

im gonna assume you just forgot my first scum game

[u r a person 2]

This id like to see as well (the towncase)

ok i will do this tomorrow for you

[u r a person 2]

Was 1133 about vork or flubber? Tbh I have basically no read of vork, I think I had him as nullscum earlier but I'm honestly ok just taking your read for the day. I probably need to read his scumgames or something

vork

[u r a person 2]

I have a lot of respect for both U2 & Teacher as players. The fact they'd get ED so wrong when he's played quite well is very concerning.

I bet you really did read ED that way when you chose to replace in

But I think that's where the truth ends. None of your interpretation there is actually town indicative, and I have a feeling that you probably replace into more scum slots than you'd like =P

I'm feeling like I'm playing a pretty good game rn, and I'm kind of wondering if this play by you means im right on one or two other scum slots as well

[u r a person 2]

I’ve always rolled town w him. He reads me as town in most games, but hedges. He has a fairly accurate capture of me as a person.

im gonna assume you just forgot my first scum game

I was talking my rolls, not yours, which is what skitter asked.

oh my apologies

[u r a person 2]

how'd they miss you for paragon

[u r a person 2]

Urap should i be townreading u yet?

I think I'm out of my past scum range, but I've got big plans for my next scumgame, so that range is about to widen significantly at some point =P

What if, and I'm just spit-balling here. What if you just link my alignment with shoshin. Like, we lynch shoshin and if she's green, you scum read me. When she flips town, though, I get universally town read

[u r a person 2]

When she flips town, though, I get universally town read

when she flips scum*

[u r a person 2]

you were jungle medicine? That actually makes a lot of sense in retrospect lol
I wish I had known that during the game. I probably would have approached you differently

so you're just a straight cop with no modifiers? I know it's a normal role, but I thought it was generally considered a bad role and thus not likely to be in normals

[u r a person 2]

I think if I had been cop!you, given your confidence, I might have risked the quick hammer and waited for intent before claiming

Maybe even saying that I wouldn't claim until intent to try and stop a hammer

and then try to talk my way out of the wagon without a claim

What was your thought process that led to you claiming at L-1 rather than the above?

[u r a person 2]

shoshin, if I'm town and you're town, who do you think the scum team is?

[u r a person 2]

If I were scum, I never claim cop here, especially not with an open miller claim.

which brings to mind, don't counter claim this right now please anybody

[u r a person 2]

2. I've been far more active & engaged than I ever would have as scum. I've read the whole game carefully (50 pages of stuff I wouldn't have read as scum). I'm trying to interact with players to get a sense of their alignment. This just isn't what it looks like when I'm scum. Is it possible for scum to be this active? Yes. Is it likely? No. Read me based on probability please.

this stuff keeps bugging me. This isn't at all how you read to me in bop, and it isn't how you read to me in our early interactions in that newbie and I don't really think you meant to replace out of that newbie. Like, I think you've got to admit that effort!scum is within your range

And since when does shoshin get scared? cop role or not. This doesn't even seem like an alignment thing, I just wouldn't expect it from you generally

[u r a person 2]

I was scum in BoP. I was scum in the Newbie. I'm not here. There's a large difference between my play here and BoP/Newbie. Do you deny that?

yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think you efforted in bop, and I don't think you were apathetic in the newbie. I'm saying you can effort scum. You don't think you can?

Yes, there are differences, but there are also big differences in setups.

I'm also just having a hard time believing that this is how you play a cop replacement slot. I can see your average newb coming in hot because they know they won't be lynched

but I kinda think you try to town it up a bit more and avoid exactly this situation. Why is that a bad read?

[u r a person 2]

I'm capable of anything as scum.

oh my bad i guess i should have read the next line first lolol

[u r a person 2]

I have a 0% win rate as scum

Hey, me too, but I don't think anyone thinks this is a reason to discount my scum play

[u r a person 2]

in my limited exp. with Shosin she's a lurksack as town so the hyperactivity means this is prob scum.

VOTE: shoshin

This is a good example of why I claimed, U2. I read the gamestate correctly.

I guess that's fair, too lol