Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[Detective Pikachu]

Hello, partner!

VOTE: Klick

I like the memes of this list but I am also sad because I wanted to play with Dr Worm

[Detective Pikachu]

[Detective Pikachu]

Listen, I know you can't understand me, but put down the stapler!

[Detective Pikachu]

You're not my partner!

I don't need a Pokémon, period.

Then what about a world-class detective? Because if you wanna find your pops, I'm your best bet. We're gonna do this, you and me.

[Detective Pikachu]

Sigh. They try to talk to me all the time, but all they hear is "Pika-pika!"

[Detective Pikachu]

pokemon sucks - what a bunch of dweebs!

VOTE: redpanda

So this is jester right

[Detective Pikachu]

Pretty ok with tim and creature for town, rest of my analysis will have to wait until Monday.

[Detective Pikachu]

Pretty ok with tim and creature for town, rest of my analysis will have to wait until Monday.

I'm V/LA until Monday night.

I voted you because a wagon with three votes is more interesting than a wagon with two votes.

I haven't moved off you because your reaction to the RVS wagon was surprisingly weird.

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Detective Pikachu

If you're just going to talk in 'Pika-pika!'s all day, we have no choice but to policy lynch you.

Here's one advice: we gotta start acting early if we want to have a shot of winning as town here.

Town that take too long to react tend to lose.

[citation needed]

Seriously, this has probably been said in every game I've popped my head into in the past five years, and I've seen no evidence that there's credit to it. We're here to have fun! It's been less than a day, there's nothing to be worried about just yet.

Though my vote on Detective Pikachu was semi-serious, and I'll give a cookie to the first person who can tell me why.

Can you see why I might have gotten an early scumread on DP based on their posting thus far?

Sorry: I have a light scumread on Detective Pikachu. Can you spot why?

Hello, partner!

VOTE: Klick

I like the memes of this list but I am also sad because I wanted to play with Dr Worm

I know it was RVS, but can you talk to me about why you decided to vote me here, Pikachu? Because your post doesn't have a reason, silly or otherwise.

Hello, partner!

VOTE: Klick

I like the memes of this list but I am also sad because I wanted to play with Dr Worm

I know it was RVS, but can you talk to me about why you decided to vote me here, Pikachu? Because your post doesn't have a reason, silly or otherwise.

This is why I have a scumread on Pikachu.

I'd rather get any response from Pikachu before laying all my cards on the table!

I voted you because a wagon with three votes is more interesting than a wagon with two votes.

Then why not say this at the time? I found your vote odd because there was zero explanation behind it. It seemed like it was placed with the intent of drawing no attention, as opposed to starting discussion.

VOTE: Klick

[Detective Pikachu]

No worries

Pikachu's my best lead atm. His response to my pressure hasn't been a good look.

Your pressure being you spamming the thread asking someone on v/la why they voted you in rvs? That's not pressure that's fluffposting. You've basically been exclusively asking me one pointless question that has an obvious answer.

[Detective Pikachu]

I saw your reaction as somewhat counterpoking and I think they’re overblowing it into full OMGUS,

a) why would I be "overblowing it" if the slot is scum?
b) why would I be blowing it into "OMGUS" when I voted the slot first and his entire reason for voting me back was "you voted me in RVS"?

[Detective Pikachu]

Your pressure being you spamming the thread

Spamming? If anyone else feels like I'm posting too much, please let me know and I'll let other people have their say. But I don't think my activity has been unreasonable by any means.

asking someone on v/la why they voted you in rvs?

Your first post saying you're on V/LA is Post 93. I've made two posts since then (three if you count this one). And I'm not sure how you being V/LA even got brought into this conversation - it has nothing to do with your alignment.

That's not pressure that's fluffposting.

no u

You've basically been exclusively asking me one pointless question that has an obvious answer.

Post 94 is a very different question to the one I initially asked. And you still haven't responded to it. Unless you count quoting my ISO and voting me as a response?

Spamming: you have a lot of low-content posts basically asking people to guess why you are scumreading me when there was no reason to scumread me.
V/LA: I posted on Friday and then you spent two days asking people to guess why you were scumreading me instead of engaging them on... idk, something actually interesting
94: 94 is my post?

[Detective Pikachu]

His response to the pressure has been to aggressively push back/discredit,

In a game with about 100 posts, about 10 of them were you saying "I have decided to arbitrarily scumread DP" -- 10% of the game basically so far at this point was you saying "DP voted me in RVS so I'm scumreading him"

That is not just empty pointless content it is actively working against more interesting conversations in the thread

Your push on me feels totally arbitrary; I think you decided to push back on me exclusively because I was the third person that voted you and you didn't want more votes coming your way. I think this "lack of explanation" thing is just complete bullshit basically because there's no reason you would have expected a significant reason in RVS. If you said "I don't like DP's rvs post" that would be fine but you decided to make a whole theatrical thing out of it which feels inorganic and incredibly forced

[Detective Pikachu]

u r a person 2

Detective Pikachu

Cinnamon

Uzi

Creature

EspressoPatronum

Chemist1423

Pink Ball

Klick

ceejayvinoya
ClearlyClarity

Tim Goodman

why are you towning urap and chemist here?

[Detective Pikachu]

I'm reasonably confident EP is scum.

Can you expand on this because I'm not really seeing it so far, I don't know what his range is but I'm not sure what's pinging you

[Detective Pikachu]

Will you start doing stuff now?

game still seems pretty empty of interesting content actually

[Detective Pikachu]

Then why not say this at the time? I found your vote odd because there was zero explanation behind it. It seemed like it was placed with the intent of drawing no attention, as opposed to starting discussion.

it was placed with the intent of placing a vote in rvs on whatever wagon was leading

given you decided to tunnel me in response, why do you think joining the largest rvs strategy is an effective scum strategy? it's almost like the entire logical structure of your argument is total nonsense? do you 'get' rvs?

[Detective Pikachu]

On the other side, I think Detective Pikachu is definitely scum.

I would expect him to be more excited for this game tbh.

I already kinda regret joining this game actually, I like this specific character because of the homage to hard boiled detectives. I actually haven't really been particularly connected to the pokemon franchise in the last decade though. I played Red on Game Boy (I guess that was Gen1??) when I was a kid, and I played the mobile AR game for like an hour one day, and I watched the first season of the anime in middle school. Since then I basically haven't touched it until the Detective Pikachu movie came out which I really liked. I kinda feel like I'm almost insufficiently pokemony for this game as dumb as that may seem.

Also this weekend was the busiest time for me in the last three months due to work stuff.

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: RedPanda Tim and DP run a democracy here at Poke City. There's no room in this neighborhood for your unilateral declarations.

Sorry: I have a light scumread on Detective Pikachu. Can you spot why?

I don't see anything. His posts with Tim are jokes on the DP movie. Maybe his entrance vote on Klick, but even that was setting up the interactions with Tim.

Care to explain your read?

I live outside of Ryme City and I commute on odd nights and possibly even nights as well, please don't target me with night actions!

Lol you even switched your location to Ryme City

Interested to hear some thoughts from the following people:

u r a person 2
Lil Uzi Vert
Cinnamon
ClearlyClarity

Lurker scum can be pretty dangerous. These four haven't posted much yet.

VOTE: ClearlyClarity
Didn't really respond to the lurker prod + Clarity's posts thus far don't give us much information.

I'll also be keeping an eye out for Cinnamon's post(s) in the near future.

I kinda don't hate this content

Like yeah the early game could look like an attempted pocket of me + Tim, and I kinda get that it was fluffy. But I think that remember CC and Cinnamon are in this game isn't exactly bad given I forgot they were in the game and I literally just reread the whole thread.

I'm not sure that pushing lurkers to post content in a boring game is scum indicative?

I could yolo sheep you but I'm just not seeing it here rn

[Detective Pikachu]

Tim how you feeling about LUV's posting so far?

[Detective Pikachu]

sure VOTE: urap

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: luv

[Detective Pikachu]

Yep

[Detective Pikachu]

Haha ragequitters

lmao RC voting a pole

lazy

Cinna is siteflaking

what is a 'pole'?

[Detective Pikachu]

"lazy" should not have appeared in that post, glitched autocomplete from mobile posting

[Detective Pikachu]

Your play here also isn't making much sense with what you're describing to be feeling like.

You're saying town!me doesn't lazily sheep RC until he has a solve when I'm feeling meh about the game?

[Detective Pikachu]

Why not ask about Klick too?

Klick didn't have below 10 posts at the time; at the time of that list chemist only had 8 (of which I see no reason to townread), urap had 3. While it's possible to townread someone off three posts, I don't see why you'd do that for urap's iso. Klick's I could see why someone might even if I disagree with the conclusion.

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: RP let's go here then

[Detective Pikachu]

womp womp

[Detective Pikachu]

You want someone with a transparent meta? Try Creature. I just skimmed his ISO for the purpose of this point, and am very comfortable declaring that Creature is Town this game.

And now, we are time traveling back... to June of 2018. That's right, the world is aghast as the swimsuit competition is dropped from the Miss America pageant.

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: urap

Spoiler:

to fake it being l-1 so someone can fakehammer for a lulz reaction test or to accurately say it's l-3? questions, questions

reaction test probably won't work when he hasn't even looked at this game in days and his scum buddies would probably count the votes for him 0.o

[Detective Pikachu]

You could be 2/3!

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: ofrhz

[Detective Pikachu]

ofrhz do you think town creature rejects your wagon because chemist + me are on it?

[Detective Pikachu]

Not sure if I'm liking that ofrhz wagon. Already two scumpects on it.

Feel like this post comes from town creature not very often

[Detective Pikachu]

Why do you think I'm scum Pikachu

I don't but joining a lulz wagon is more fun than sitting on my butt wallowing in having no reads lol

[Detective Pikachu]

I have more firsthand experience with Creature, and I think he's just town here :3

Sure but I feel like he's shaded me twice for largely lazy and opportunistic reasons which is not making it any easier to townread him. His critiques seem pretty surface-level which feeeeeeeels scummy lolol

[Detective Pikachu]

I don't think cinna has made game related posts on site since the 25th although you're right that he did not replace out of every game he is in simultaneously. I saw two replace outs and thought it was a flake *shrug*

don't know that we can talk more about it without breaking site rules but I'll accept I made a hasty inference there

[Detective Pikachu]

Oh snap is LUV the one true party wagon?

VOTE: LUV

ofrhz what do you think, is this a party wagon?

[Detective Pikachu]

Clearly the threat of a party wagon is traumatizing.

[Detective Pikachu]

Through my expert detective work, I have concluded that Espresso and Firebrand are not S/S!

[Detective Pikachu]

Is Gamma Emerald town firebrand?

Also did you know that as a dr worm replacement you are contractually obligated to three funny nicknames per dayphase?

[Detective Pikachu]

Furrbrand townreads gamamerald good to know

[Detective Pikachu]

Klick you're saying you're confident in my wagon and that people should read my iso. But I actually don't know what in my recent play you think fits a scum agenda vs. what just doesn't match your expectations of town play.

[Detective Pikachu]

I disagree with your townreads on urap and dp

You don't townread me ofrhz?

[Detective Pikachu]

No do you think you've towntold already?

I don't even remember my own play this game so probably not Actually I think I'm probably readable as town but probably not inspiring confidence if that makes sense. Not sure though.

I think I asked you a question earlier though.... oh yeah, did you think LUV was a good party wagon?

VOTE: Menalque

[Detective Pikachu]

What do you think of the fact that Cinnamon said "rn" or "right now" about almost all of his reads?

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah he's at l-2 rn

[Detective Pikachu]

Actually is he?

UNVOTE:

[Detective Pikachu]

Oh I think Gamma is town :3

Why's Gamma town?

I think Menalque is actually already at l-2

[Detective Pikachu]

So your thought right now is that JOHN MENA is pushing an aggro case on town Gamma?

[Detective Pikachu]

idk might sound weird but 630 like, could be s/s

that's probably dumb and wrong but I don't strongly townread Gamma for that reaction

you might be right that catchup is townie but I guess it just bugs me that Cinna said "rn" for almost every read, that's a bad reason to scumread but it kinda jumps out at me lol

I like creature and Tim rn.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

I'm cool with this right now.

Tim or anybody else townreading Ep rn could you explain your EP townread?

like why is every read so ephemeral idk

[Detective Pikachu]

I guess 226 is more thinking of other people's reads as temporary, maybe I'm just being neurotic

[Detective Pikachu]

I guess I still don't get why JOHN MENA thinks Cinn's iso never comes from town tho, guess we've been waiting for that since Saturday. Since Tim wants more time anyway yeah maybe we give JOHN MENA the chance to make his case at least

[Detective Pikachu]

Pink Ball would you like to go to the dance with me?

[Detective Pikachu]

Are posts about JOHN MENA still coming or is Firebrander the hot new digs?

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Firebrander

[Detective Pikachu]

My only question is whether scum firebrander would have distanced someone by now because I feel like he's exclusively pushed town but maybe I'm forgetting someone

[Detective Pikachu]

idk I have too many townreads at this moment I think. I need to prune that list.

I am gonna call scum rn as pinkball, ofrhz, and Pine. Why Pine? Idk. I want to townread pine and that is the only reason I want to say he is town so he must actually be scum.

my logic is flawless.

If scum I would say pine would be the distancing target here but the problem is I slightly thought cc might be town

Kinda feel like ofrhz is town, I'm town, pink ball I'm soft gut town idk... too many people I want to townread this game

[Detective Pikachu]

party wagon woo!

VOTE: firebrander

[Detective Pikachu]

@Firebrand

[Detective Pikachu]

You weren't here to be the best, like no one ever was?

[Detective Pikachu]

Tim hooded me last night

He wrote 5 short posts before I entered and he died over the course of day 1

#1 Jun 20 'I guess I'm not too bright'
-- no idea what this means, I think this was during rvs?

#2, 1 minute later 'So it seems basically obligatory to recruit Detective Pikachu. it's like destiny or something, plus it's really easy to justify treating him like a mason or something.'

#3, Jun 21 'did espresso just soft neighborizor
kinda scumreading espresso and DP atm'

#4, Jun 30 'I think I should check fire instead of dp sadly'

#5, Jul 2 'If this is right we lynch scum, if not I probably don't get shot at.
Win win since fire ain't gonna be useful'

#6, Jul 3 'I'll just go with fate'

--i.e., neighborizing me after fire's flip

accept it or not that's the entire contents of the hood that I am now the sole participant within

[Detective Pikachu]

2 off, one on maybe? I agree it's probably scum light but I wouldn't assume 0

Pedit: ninja'd not once but twice

[Detective Pikachu]

It has a lot with disposition though... some scum would prefer to be on a mislynch to show activity and willingness to have a meaningful vote even if they know it's a mislynch. You're right tho that with town frontloaded and tim cheerleading scum didn't have to do much

[Detective Pikachu]

can we quick review the townblock

let's start with pine, for instance

who all is locked on pine town and who is not?

(basically doing anything so that this nka theory fest dies immediately here)

[Detective Pikachu]

Ok

Who all is good with pink ball town block?

[Detective Pikachu]

@Menalque Gamma did vote me though. Your case seems to be reactive to Gamma pushing you instead of genuine scumreading him, but sure, let's lynch him, I don't like him alive either.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L-1

In that case, UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

He's not my top scumread

j/w but why did you want him at l-1 if l-2 is too much pressure that you're going to bring him to l-3?

[Detective Pikachu]

Hmm we have 12 hours

We treat 7 days left like it's the deadline.

Why so long?

Let's say today's deadline is actually

(expired on 2019-07-10 04:41:07)

[Detective Pikachu]

Given I probably die tonight I don't think it's healthy for the gamestate to go with Mena/Gamma unresolved one way or the other, I would usually go for Gamma here between the two and I did think Cinna had some weird wordings but if RC+Creature both think Mena needs to go then it's really worth thinking about

I'm also fake masons with Creature btw, in the sense that I'm not really masons with him but I'd prefer for him to not get lynched today or tomorrow or basically without a mech guilty

[Detective Pikachu]

I think Chemist's isos tend to always look like a good lynch regardless of his alignment. I've seen some pretty bad chemist isos from town chemist. But you're right that he seems to give 0... pokeballs... about this game in particular.

[Detective Pikachu]

There's two votes on him right now so

VOTE: chemist should be l-3

idk if we need l-2 to get more pressure right now or not

[Detective Pikachu]

like I have to have some sort of priority list, and I can't have every game be #1

that's just facts, sad as they may be

sure, but you can convince us that if you're town you're worth keeping alive

[Detective Pikachu]

Also I just realized Mena flat out lied in his wall about me

Where?

[Detective Pikachu]

Klick who should go today, John Mena, Gamamamerald, or Red Not-Raccoon?

[Detective Pikachu]

Gamma if you're town why should I be townreading you?

[Detective Pikachu]

I still want to lynch in mena and gamma I just don't know which first

[Detective Pikachu]

Mostly tone, he feels pretty townie to me right now. Also I don't think Creature is the type to kill RC when saying he was going to push the slot tomorrow if Firebringer flipped town.

[Detective Pikachu]

If FB is town then yeah Tim is scum

Like this is the type of comment that comes from a certain type of scum player, but I don't think Creature is that type. This is more of a ground type attack, and Creature is clearly water type. Totally different.

[Detective Pikachu]

Water types can't have ground attacks like Marshstomp?

oh shit you got me

my analogy actually doesn't work lol

[Detective Pikachu]

I'm wondering who is the type to kill RC after he claimed odd-night commuter.

prolly 1 out of mena/pine/pink ball?

that's not based on reads of those slots, just who knows RC and who would make a ballsy night kill

[Detective Pikachu]

why tf is Pine doing a catchup without reading the flip first? who does that?

[Detective Pikachu]

why would you ask someone to catchup without reading the flips...?

[Detective Pikachu]

RedPanda is RedPanda? Or were you saying he's an alt?

[Detective Pikachu]

I hear the scumminess really amplifies the more questionmarks there are at the end of a question

[Detective Pikachu]

I hear the scumminess really amplifies the more questionmarks there are at the end of a question

I'm VERY emotional right now after watching Stranger Things, you don't want to push my buttons Pikachu

but what if the buttons I want to push are the ones that make you smile

[Detective Pikachu]

I think I'd prefer he flip scum so that I could go out on a high note

[Detective Pikachu]

He seems to really like Pokemon, I like him, seems like a cool fellar. Not sure what his rolecard is, could go either way, but I kinda feel like he's probably today's consensus lynch one way or the other and his flip is probably good for gamestate? I've kinda been waiting for everyone to feel kinda caught up before pushing for a claim but I haven't really seen a reason yet to go somewhere else tbh

[Detective Pikachu]

Pine, top is town and bottom is scum... it's a straightforward list

[Detective Pikachu]

I'm not happy with this. You're semi-confirmed town, your reads are vital. Don't settle - find reads and push them. Use your gut if you need to, it's usually more accurate than sound logic and we don't have reason to assume you're BSing.

I'm semi-confirmed town and tomorrow I will probably be dead town and my reads will be just as valuable as any other dead town, which is to say they'll be totally ignored, but if there are still deep dive tunnels and major unresolved 1v1s then the game will be less readable for the living

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah well both Tim and Creature thought Mena was the scum out of the two but it seems like some people liked the case on Cinnamon. A redflip on Gamma I think helps sort Mena for Creature and I'm not sure I'm particularly enthusiastic for pushing Mena scum right now despite Tim and Creature's reads so... idk.

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Is it because of why I think it is?

Probably

[Detective Pikachu]

So we get Gamma to claim?

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Chemistry

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah prolly, which we doing first? Maybe better for game if we go Gamma first but I'm pretty okay with Chemistry going today too if we're struggling to get the consensus there

[Detective Pikachu]

I think you could be 1/3

did you already say why you think pine and redpanda are town and I just forgot?

[Detective Pikachu]

Pink Ball what did you see from Gamma?

[Detective Pikachu]

Pink Ball what did you see from Gamma?

He said he really don't mind lynching you. That pinged me like fake dumbness

mmhmm

[Detective Pikachu]

yep

[Detective Pikachu]

I mean gamma pulled this same shit in Tris's game when I basically said "let's lynch one of these two people" one of which was town, and then he just goes in a totally different direction to drive a mislynch on the mislynch bait

so every game where I'm cleared he seems to push against me; here it makes more sense since I'm basically saying to lynch him, but then coming around and saying I'm in his top three lynch candidates for today is a bit much

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah I'm pretty sure gamma isn't THIS dense as town

[Detective Pikachu]

Faking a loyal neighborized hood as scum at the start of day before everyone has posted is not something that actually happens in real life, and you failing to see that makes me think you're not actually trying to sort people for town in this game

[Detective Pikachu]

I think PB is town gamma.

Anyway, Gamma today, chemist tomorrow? Do we need to do chemist today? I would still flip chemist tomorrow even if gamma is rude enough to flip as town to be clear.

[Detective Pikachu]

I mean I'm hoping to be dead, I'm just telling town my suggested path.

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Gam Merdalerds

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah everyone knows that Pink Ball is an alt of Keanu Reeves, there's no need to make a big deal about it though.

[Detective Pikachu]

Why would you take being called annoying more personally because you know his main is Pinto Beans?

[Detective Pikachu]

Pikachu, what are you going to do to play around the fact that when Gamma flips town, the scumteam is going to leave you alive to LyLo so that people get paranoid and lynch you?

If scum want to leave conftown alive until lylo they are welcome to do so.

If town lynches me in late game they deserve the loss.

Neither side of that is my problem.

Are you deliberately fearmongering or what?

[Detective Pikachu]

So yeah, you're deliberately fearmongering then? Why are you making a big deal about a scenario that probably isn't going to happen?

[Detective Pikachu]

Gamma is ignoring mech, failing to solve for town, and exhibiting bizarre overreactions to a range of people pushing him. I don't really have a problem seeing him as scum, and he's refusing to join on chemist which would be the next best candidate for scum to me right now. I don't even slightly care how "hard" a lynch is, I only care if it flips town or scum, and right now I see very little evidence to suggest Gamma is town.

As for "lazy lynch" ofrhz is basically absent from the thread and is almost universally pushed in every game she is in always. So who exactly is pushing a "lazy" lynch here? Oh wait, that's right, that's Gamma's top scumread, the one with the case you're in love with.

If you want to disagree with my reads, then give me reasons to reconsider. But you can take your "lazy lynch" argument and shove it. That's the reasoning that leads to days becoming unreadable from bloat and noise.

[Detective Pikachu]

So you want to save Gamma by offering yourself? Because this is not how you engage me if you're trying to convince me of anything other than that yes, you have been distracting in a scummy way pretty much the entire game.

Gamma does not strike me as someone who is hopeless at mech and as soon as he was pressed on it he realized I was probably mech town. That you want to continue clogging the thread is not pro-town and if you seriously can't solve me for town then you either are scum or you shouldn't be in this queue. I'm not going to waste words explaining why thinking I can be scum here is ludicrous.

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: ofrhz

His posts today have felt particularly 'empty'.

You know I'm glad you brought this up.

You've been sitting on ofrhz all day but have basically asked her no questions.

Compared to ofrhz, I would say your content today feels "empty"

In fact, your content is actually worse than ofrhz's, because despite ofrhz being your top scumread, you have now spent more time complaining about me voting gamma than interacting with or meaningfully pushing your top scumread.

So let me ask again -- how is your play this day pro-town?

[Detective Pikachu]

There are a few points there that aren't insinuating you might not be confirmed town. I would love to hear your thoughts on them!

I'd rather wait for someone to actually push me for scum so that I can lynch them. I'd love an easy scumclaim.

[Detective Pikachu]

Gamma, RedPanda and ???

I think you're still in my bottom three but I'm willing to reconsider

I townread Mena, Klick, and Creature

So not in those three or DP I guess

This is a better post than your entire iso, Klick.

Your accusation of "empty" posting really holds up well when I put this in relief against your incredible push against ofrhz:

Also, in light of 'bizarre overreactions' to pressure being a scumtell, I present the following posts:

VOTE: Detective Pikachu

If you're just going to talk in 'Pika-pika!'s all day, we have no choice but to policy lynch you.

Here's one advice: we gotta start acting early if we want to have a shot of winning as town here.

Town that take too long to react tend to lose.

[citation needed]

Seriously, this has probably been said in every game I've popped my head into in the past five years, and I've seen no evidence that there's credit to it. We're here to have fun! It's been less than a day, there's nothing to be worried about just yet.

Though my vote on Detective Pikachu was semi-serious, and I'll give a cookie to the first person who can tell me why.

Can you see why I might have gotten an early scumread on DP based on their posting thus far?

Sorry: I have a light scumread on Detective Pikachu. Can you spot why?

Hello, partner!

VOTE: Klick

I like the memes of this list but I am also sad because I wanted to play with Dr Worm

I know it was RVS, but can you talk to me about why you decided to vote me here, Pikachu? Because your post doesn't have a reason, silly or otherwise.

Hello, partner!

VOTE: Klick

I like the memes of this list but I am also sad because I wanted to play with Dr Worm

I know it was RVS, but can you talk to me about why you decided to vote me here, Pikachu? Because your post doesn't have a reason, silly or otherwise.

This is why I have a scumread on Pikachu.

I'd rather get any response from Pikachu before laying all my cards on the table!

I voted you because a wagon with three votes is more interesting than a wagon with two votes.

Then why not say this at the time? I found your vote odd because there was zero explanation behind it. It seemed like it was placed with the intent of drawing no attention, as opposed to starting discussion.

VOTE: Klick

No worries

Pikachu's my best lead atm. His response to my pressure hasn't been a good look.

Your pressure being you spamming the thread asking someone on v/la why they voted you in rvs? That's not pressure that's fluffposting. You've basically been exclusively asking me one pointless question that has an obvious answer.

Oh wait, that's not you pushing your scumread, that's you wallposting bullshit to fuck with mech town

WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

[Detective Pikachu]

He decided that making a wallpost that reminded me of how annoying I find him was a good idea while he was trying to AtE me out of a scumread.

Klickslot/mena/pb/creature are all town

Townblock of 5 is an 11 player game should usually be fine for day 2

[Detective Pikachu]

@Mod: if a town loyal PR targets scum and a watcher targets the same scum, would the watcher so the loyal PR's action?

They would. So if scumteam has a scum watcher, and they watched me and saw the visit, the same night that 'we' killed Tim, then I could theoretically fake a PT. I think you've identified just about the only scenario where I would successfully fake a neighborization, but it does require one fairly uncommon scum role and some pretty insane luck for the scum team.

[Detective Pikachu]

No. The Loyal PR's action would be treated as if it was Roleblocked, causing it to not be visible to the Watcher.

Interesting. So for me to be scum, there would actually be no way to know who Tim targeted. The only way to fake a PT then would be for scum to have a roleblocker and roleblock Tim the same night they kill him, on night 1. Let me know if that's a scenario you want to play around

[Detective Pikachu]

I looked at some of Cinnamon's games in between is pretty much what happened there

which ones?

[Detective Pikachu]

Only you would know what you did or didn't read

So you saw something that made you agree more with Mena?

[Detective Pikachu]

How you feel about chemist now GE?

[Detective Pikachu]

What you think of chemist elements?

[Detective Pikachu]

So you're thinking Gamma probably goes today then?

[Detective Pikachu]

Why's Creature below Chemist?

[Detective Pikachu]

Ye PB still town.

Gamma is like, not really obvscum, I think if it wasn't for Mena push I probs would have been down for chemist today. Still dunno why people aren't good with sheeping me on Creature!Town but, eh, that's mostly a gut thing so I guess it's reasonable to get some pushback there.

I kinda don't remember who Gamma scumreads that I was ever on board with so that doesn't really help things. I'm sorry that this game is getting kinda salty

I'm pretty sure this day would have gone a lot better if there was some scum I was locked on and could drive but I just... I dunno. I think the townblock I mentioned earlier is still basically fine.

Creature town, PB town, Klickslot town, can't even remember now if I had one more.

Maybe I actually should have stepped back from the Mena/Gamma thing and hard pushed Chemist today but I'm just not feeling it now. I feel like this is just not a good game for me.

[Detective Pikachu]

If you think Creature is town, then let's YOLO this bitch.

VOTE: ofrhz

I have never said ofrhz should be today's lynch, not once

Scum pushed ofrhz mislynch to perpetuate the mena/gamma 1v1

how has ofrhz not been the obvious scum wagon the entire day? the hard part was deciding who in the wagon was scum

[Detective Pikachu]

Gamma you should have just accepted your mislynch if you were town, letting ofrhz get lynched over you is extremely bad for town's winrate

[Detective Pikachu]

Tomorrow lynch inside the ofrhz wagon, I'm thinking toward the front, RedPanda is a great candidate for scum there, not sure need to think about the others

[Detective Pikachu]

RedPanda, Chemist1422, Gamma Emerald, Creature, EspressoPatronum

I would literally scorched earth every single person on this wagon other than Creature, I think 2 scum here not 1, scum probably thought this was tomorrow's mislynch that they could set up today and thought they would be compelled/get talked into lynching Gamma today (even if a bus)

Just burn it all if we have the mislynches, 2 scum in Panda, Chemist, Gamma, EP

[Detective Pikachu]

How do I suggest two fantastic lynches and somehow another person gets hammered? Like I try to let the townies town up by moving off the obvious scum wagon, I don't want to tell them it's the scum wagon because I need to see them figure it out for themselves, but it shouldn't ACTUALLY GET HAMMERED

God I should have just hammered Gamma so this awful day could end

Gamma you don't have permission to AtE anymore btw, you go 1000% of the time before PB

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah I know it's actually bad advice I'm just kinda tilted rn

[Detective Pikachu]

I don't know if you guys know this but pushing ofrhz for scum is basically a scumclaim, the reasoning on that wagon has been shady all day, the hard part was that it actually got to l-1 so figuring out who the hell was town there was the hard part.

My only strong townread on the wagon was Creature and he's basically been absent from the thread and Mena even disagrees with me there so.

I guess this is why people like Tim play like Tim so that they don't look at a dumb clearly bad lynch and let it accidentally go through.

Clearly I needed to be more aggressive but when I do that people just tiltreplace out so I guess I just don't know how to play mafia

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Gamma

Let's pretend there was an issue and just resolve this nonsense

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah but the question then is if we should CFD chemist, not hammer the lynchbait

I was really considering a chemist CFD :/

Yeah I shouldn't be demoralizing people because of one mislynch I'm just really frustrated

[Detective Pikachu]

I think pretty much every attempt at humor in this thread has been read in the worst way possible which is why this thread has become a disaster

[Detective Pikachu]

I'm not Pink Ball but I doubt he hates you, but right now it's impossible to tell whether some or all of your interactions here are coming from a scum POV so until your flip it's hard to see how genuine everything is. I wouldn't take it so personally... personally

[Detective Pikachu]

Well let's all hold hands and lynch chemist tomorrow as a bonding experience, or maybe RP either way idgaf

[Detective Pikachu]

So tomorrow we lynch panda then?

[Detective Pikachu]

[Detective Pikachu]

In the holy name of orfhz...

by the power of ice cream...

I dub thee...

the speed wagon!

VOTE: RedPanda

[Detective Pikachu]

I'd have a slightly easier time seeing Mena scum over Creature scum but right now I'm inclined to think they're both town

[Detective Pikachu]

I mean I'm fine getting a claim from him first

[Detective Pikachu]

You can sell us on chemist if you want

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: EP

[Detective Pikachu]

Same question to DP, as he evidently doesn't like my Creature read.

I just wanna lynch anyone that scumreads my townreads at this point tbh

[Detective Pikachu]

Just because someone disagrees with you on a read doesn’t make them scum

Yeah well scum pushed through ofrhz yesterday so not coming down hard enough on people scumreading my townreads doesn't seem to be working out so well so far

[Detective Pikachu]

@DP as our town clear, we really need you to be a bit more proactive than that.

We're lynching someone on the ofrhz wagon, and probably someone toward the front of the ofrhz wagon. I'm fine with Panda going, or we can do chemist, either way.

[Detective Pikachu]

Scum would rather none of them being on the wagon > 1-2 of them being on the wagon > all of them being on the wagon.

They only vote if the mislynch don't get achieved otherwise/may get redirected to one of themselves.

This is a pretty town Creature post imo

I have rn RedPanda, Tim Goodman and Espresso town since my catch up

Still have:
RedPanda
Tim Goodman
EspressoPatronoum
Lil Uzi Vert
as town

Chemist is pretty meh rn

we should probably just do chemist today actually

VOTE: chemist

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah but we're not lynching creature because you dislike his playstyle we're lynching scum or at worst probable scum

Creature's reads as town are some of the strongest on site and as scum he busses heavily so there's no reason to not go with his reads even if you scumread him when we have 0 redflips

[Detective Pikachu]

is he normally this ineffectual in a game as town?

this is easily inside his townrange and outside his comfortable scumrange (although not outside his full scumrange, but he's not on his usual scum autopilot)

[Detective Pikachu]

Cause Gamma's reactions to PB were ... personal a way that surprises me for scum. Not impossible, but surprising.

And PB's ellitell for chemist doesn't seem worthless, frankly.

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Chemist

This is flipping scum, 100%

Duuuuude

The guy says "like I have to have some sort of priority list, and I can't have every game be #1" but he joins another game in the queue?

Come the fuck on, he's not even playing this game.

He's not being lynchbaity 'cause he's avoiding the thread.

This scumread falls into the loose category of "ellitells" which are a type of activity based tell, and given I have no reason to townread chemist it seems basically fine

[Detective Pikachu]

I think it's just named after "ellibereth" or something like that, it's not a super reliable tell but on top of the other reasons to scumread chemist it seems fine

[Detective Pikachu]

and as scum he busses heavily

?

I know you don't think of yourself as bussing heavily but you're one of the most bus happy players on site in terms of quantitative patterns

[Detective Pikachu]

I don't think I've ever been particularly subtle about it

[Detective Pikachu]

ClearlyClarity wasn't town? Not disagreeing just remember that being asserted at one point

[Detective Pikachu]

Oh right, I didn't realize it was L-2 when I voted.

Chemist is at L-1

Yep, that’s me

You’re probably wondering how I got in this situation

*record scratch*

[Detective Pikachu]

I don't think he did but he did second guess whether pine would play around meta reads on his slot

Pine does seem... kinda like a non-presence here more than anything else, but I feel like I want to lynch on the ofrhz wagon today rather than off. Pine wasn't voting at EoD yesterday so......... not my preference even though yeah I'm kinda second guessing on him being town.

[Detective Pikachu]

I mean I don't know, your play just seems weird af this game. I've literally never seen someone post a catchup that was not updated for the flips.

[Detective Pikachu]

Yesterday I said the lynch could be between Gamma or chemist, and yesterday ofrhz got hammered. Part of that was because you were a non-presence. I was at least voting someone I was willing to lynch.

That's also a really weirdly defensive reaction given the ONLY person you have voted the entire game is the person I am saying we should lynch right now.

Yes, non-presence is a fair characterization of your play.

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Btw this is BS, I've shown in another game Creature doesn't like to bus, at least not to lynch

Are you sure that wasn't nonsense you threw out while you were scum and then you accidentally started believing yourself?

[Detective Pikachu]

Do you really though

[Detective Pikachu]

If scum are just going to jerk themselves off pretending I ever let creature get mislynched this game can we just push through chemist

[Detective Pikachu]

Mena can go, his tunnel has shifted into him using his personality to counterpush everything town is doing. I still think he's town though and I don't want to lynch him just because his play is fostering the apathy killing town rn, but I'm pretty over his gamma tunnel and continued shading of creature

[Detective Pikachu]

I have literally no idea why chemist is not lynched yet

[Detective Pikachu]

*blinks* erection power?

You know you like it

[Detective Pikachu]

2315 was kinda funny but there's no actual town thoughts visible anywhere in your iso

[Detective Pikachu]

With loyal neighborizor dead I don't see how we are expecting more hard clears. Maybe, maybe not? If someone had two innos, that might be worth claiming, but I'm not assuming we have anthing left that can generate innos so I'm not sure what the point in massclaiming today would be other than telling scum where to shoot

[Detective Pikachu]

I'm going V/LA for the rest of this R/L week

Creature - town
Mena - lean town
Gamma - honestly kinda leaning town now
RedPanda -- null/scm
EP -- no idea
Chemist -- amusing but still scummy
Elements - town
Pine -- slightly leaning town but plausibly wrong here

[Detective Pikachu]

Pine is closest to null, Mena I saw one post that I think very infrequently comes from scum but it's not a sure thing, Gamma has seemed really townie in tone lately but the early game issues aren't totally gone

[Detective Pikachu]

Now I can finally die tonight yay

[Detective Pikachu]

Was there a reason to townread EP that I forgot?

[Detective Pikachu]

I could also have been wrong to give rp a pass for the vt claim

Kinda feel like there is usually one scum in EP and RP

Mena also looks worse today

I guess for me gamma's reaction to PB felt on thr town side maybe?

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Mena

[Detective Pikachu]

Scum double post

[Detective Pikachu]

should I vote EP? why does this game feel zz

[Detective Pikachu]

I kinda think this is town gamma.

[Detective Pikachu]

Not totally sure, could be wrong, but I thought the frustration with the pb interactions were on the genuine side, although I suppose the concern with pb could have been nai since it was really interpersonal


Beyond that thought some of his analysis in recent days seemed ok

There are certain things that could be scum but going back and rereading mena's wall I was kinda underwhelmed

Maybe I'm misreading him. But why is my gut on him wrong? Why is he better today than ep/rp/mena?

[Detective Pikachu]

apparently EP given Gamma's last post

[Detective Pikachu]

did he claim loyal, gamma?

[Detective Pikachu]

Notice how I was super confident DP was town out of nowhere D3? Me being being neigborized is why

can you expand on this

mostly why you wouldn't think I was mech town since start of day 2?

[Detective Pikachu]

Before niehjborizing me EP posted something along the lines if "no team magma allowed" which indicated he was loyal, unless you want to argue that was a planned misdirect which is pretty next level for a newb
So like imo my town flip conftowns EP

Gamma this "lynch me before EP" argument is weird af you know that right?

[Detective Pikachu]

wait but does this mean that I'm not dying tonight

I want to just hang out and shitpost with Nick dammit

[Detective Pikachu]

what roleblocker?

[Detective Pikachu]

why would scum be informed that there was a second loyal neighborizor?

pedit: what? loyal neighborizor targeting scum just gets no result, why would you they get a "roleblocked" result?

[Detective Pikachu]

Mafia disloyal Neighborizer, final answer. It’s the ONLY way this is balanced

or: mafia neighborizor, and he's lying about having a mod
or: town neighborizor, and he's gambiting on gamma being town (think this is less likely tho)

[Detective Pikachu]

A mafia roleblocker could easily balance this however.

or with a gated asceticizer this is sort of in the ballpark of Jazz?

[Detective Pikachu]

I mean, Jazz had 2 masons and a full loyal neighborizor iirc, and somehow that shit passed review

I don't think BG + odd/even loyal neighborizor is inherently outside the range of balance, but hmm

[Detective Pikachu]

Can anyone explain the magma/aqua dynamic given I never played Ruby

Is team magma only in ruby and team aqua only in sapphire or are both in both?

the implication for this mafia game is that all of the group scum is with team magma?

Gamma, can you explain on why you believed that the scum were fully flavor-outed by the point that he made that post in the PT? I kinda wasn't paying attention to micc's flavor that much I guess and didn't realize he had implied the groupscum's mafia flavor tbh

[Detective Pikachu]

well from the perspective of play, if we were suspicious of EP, wouldn't it still be superior to leave him for tomorrow given that this is an even night? I mean that's not always the case, sometimes you want to lynch an investigative before lylo, but I am inclined to agree that BP + odd-loyal is probably(?) not enough stuff for the town in a mini theme

then again this is Micc and if he's going of newbie queue there's probably not so much power

idk maybe I need to see what other setups he's run

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah I understand better, so Aqua were the bad guys in sapphire?

I guess the design discussion for Aqua is relevant here

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=73829

[Detective Pikachu]

like I want to say odd-loyal + even-loyal + bg is more powerful than 3x mason but not by *a lot*

it's possible and I would just expect a second scum PR, like a scum JK or something maybe? maybe even a gated x-shot scum roleblocker of some kind

BG is... ? in power vs a vanilla cop joat

[Detective Pikachu]

I do want to say that one odd-loyal and a BG is just, not enough town power

there would have to be more town power somewhere

[Detective Pikachu]

and you think this passes with one odd loyal, one even loyal, one bg vs rolecop + 2 goons?

[Detective Pikachu]

I mean for EP to be scum I think we need another TPR claim, barring that I don't see why we would lynch him here

I don't think 1 odd loyal + 1 bg vs rolecop pass review tbh? although, I mean, that would be a lot closer to a newbie queue game and micc does run a lot of them

[Detective Pikachu]

Umm.

Holding off on a RP vote because he's at L-1 already. Need to give possible investigatives a chance to check in at bare minimum.

He’s confirmed Town

99.9% confirmed town*

Nah there's like no chance DP is scum here imo

So this is what Gamma implies was a crumb I guess? But if he's setup speccing me as town based on being hooded by EP then shouldn't he be townreading EP here?

Because I'd like to finish Ep before starting anyone new

I'm still doing my Ep read through but I do have a question for Menalque: my predecessor Cinnamon used the term "right now" a lot. Now you claim a lot of experience with Cinnamon, so I want you to take a page out of the scumhunting book of a player called Ellibereth: which alignment does Cinnamon use it more as?

And btw that's something you should take seriously because reading through EP gives me a chance to look over some of your stuff and I'm kinda coming to a scumread on you

About to sign off for the night but before I do I want to let you know I'm done reading through EP and he is solidly town
I know some people asked for explanation so I'll talk about my meta on him and if more is requested I'll post a more comprehensive analysis of him in this game
I reviewed him in two games (Newbie 1936 and the Pastries micro Normal) and I determined he has rather non-convoluted posts which show nuanced and insightful thinking as town

Gamma can you expand on your reasoning for this series of posts, given this is all post-hooding?

[Detective Pikachu]

RP seems genuine.

I'm fine with Creature or Chemist today.

UNVOTE:

Gamma was pretty hard town by the end of D2. Mena, I think you're town but you're stuck tunneling on Gamma.

This is a very inactive game. Could mean scum are happy with where it's headed and we need to seriously rethink everything

Agreed. Assuming town!Gamma, that would also explain why yesterday hit a bit of a lull once both wagons built up. Scum knew it was tvt and just coasted. This aligns with RP's observation that Creature coasted in the second half of D2.

Because he bleeds Town

Can you stop just asserting this and actually explain it

Creature has done fuck all this game

How is that bleeding town

Agreed. I don't see town!creature here. I'd like someone to lay it all out.

@elements I could do that I think

But I still think I’d like gamma first maybe? I’m not sure

Feel like gamma!town would be an easy mislynch in the case of creature!town, and I don’t wanna have to make that decision in lylo

I’d rather go gamma today I think as I think there’s more information there

What information do we get from a Gamma lynch that we don't get from a Creature lynch?

One of the main selling points of lynching Gamma for me was to get info on your alignment. Your crusade convinced me you're town. Gamma's resolve in the Mena v Gamma and ofrhz v Gamma convinced me he's town.

Yeah I mean this kinda works for crumbing if he died n3

[Detective Pikachu]

Please get off the Gamma wagon. I'm heading to work and don't want to risk it while he's in hammer range, so here goes....

I've been in a hood with Gamma since D3.

wouldn't it make more sense to just say you have an inno on gamma tho?

[Detective Pikachu]

Compare that to you and Creature, for instance, in which both of you are actually considering the claim instead of shutting it down immediately.

yeah but it's interesting mechanically. like yes there's a lot of things that can go wrong: -person gets nk'd same night they get hooded, both neighborizors could hood the same person, person could die before they get their hood shot off

but if things go well, then there are 3 innos on day 4 in quasi masonries... it is a lot of power to consider. I'm not sure I agree with Creature that just the rolecop would be enough to make that balanced, and regardless of Pine's alignment he's right that two separate loyal neighborizors is preddy stronk, so I'm not surprised he's skeptical

[Detective Pikachu]

huh okay. I was just waiting to see if you would claim pr

vote pine

I mean I guess he probably would have claimed if he was pr but no Intent?