Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[Robbnva]

Sup

[Robbnva]

So is the sky

[Robbnva]

but I need an RVS vote.

Why do you think this?

[Robbnva]

there are other ways to do that, you don't ever have to rvs vote.

[Robbnva]

I was trying to avoid continuing the grudge, you seem to want to keep it going. let's do it

VOTE: teacher

[Robbnva]

if you are town, you just fucked up cause I am not un-voting you until you are dead.

[Robbnva]

you thought it was funny to vote me after the fight we had? lol no sorry I don't believe you.

[Robbnva]

It's the first time we are playing together. You caused me to have to replace out.

I don't think you as town would do this. I could see the ploy with you as scum, so that is why i am not removing my vote.

[Robbnva]

if you are town, you just fucked up cause I am not un-voting you until you are dead.

replacements don't count. my condolences to whoever takes this slot.

[Robbnva]

I am not really in the mood for stupid antics so i am just going to assume scum is phone/teacher and call it a day.

[Robbnva]

welcome so now the game can start now that every ones here

The game had already started...

[Robbnva]

So you’re going to disregard everything prior to post 61?

[Robbnva]

yes as that was rvs mode and icebreaker mode to help us all get to know each other and when to expect post from others. every thing said on page one doesnt realy give hints on whos town and whos not.

That’s not true. Scum can and have been caught in rvs. I’ve caught both scum this game already.

Vote red or phone. Gg

[Robbnva]

Nope. I’m not kidding. Red hasn’t even played yet. Plus according to you, nothing before post 61 counts so red hasn’t played.

[Robbnva]

I'm catching up and it looks like everyone is still at rvs except for TemporalLich who said he declared his rvs vote no more and it looked like he made a serious vote. I couldn't tell if Teacher was still at rvs or if he also did a serious vote.

I’m not in rvs. Not sure why you assumed that.

[Robbnva]

If you looked at the fight he and I had, you’d probably agree town teacher would stay away from me. So I don’t believe town teacher votes me until he has a reason to do so.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Robbnva

The selfvote was RvS btw if that wasnt clear, I earlier said I had a redcheck on myself and wanted to know how to vote remember?

But Robb's reaction to RvS is a big overreact

It’s an overreact because I’m sick and tired of players self voting themselves, especially in rvs. Town should never vote themselves.

If you are town then please lynch me cause I don’t want to play with idiots who self vote.

[Robbnva]

And fuck you teacher. That’s twice now you’ve got me pissed off

[Robbnva]

I’m not at l-1

The newbie scum tell is bs. Don’t fall for the trap

[Robbnva]

I'm not convinced anyone else could be scum tbh

Adorable seems towny

There’s no way you are town and convinced I’m scum. If you’re town play better

[Robbnva]

Scum teacher definitely doesn't vote you, though - he'd know it would get him lynched.

Explain this. How would teacher voting me get him lynched?

Town teacher wouldn’t purposely create chaos. Scum teacher would. People would give teacher benefit of the doubt thinking scum wouldn’t be so bold. The thing is teacher knows I love to fight. I love to argue.

Scum teacher knows to make that happen and hopefully gets written off as tvt or what you just did, scum teacher wouldn’t do it.

Here’s my issue. FACT. That was not an attempt as humor. Nothing about that post implies humor.

This means that he carried a grudge into this game, which is against site rules. So I don’t give a crap if he’s town or scum. I don’t give a crap if I’m lynched I the process. I’m not tattling to the mod especially since he replaced out, so I’m just lynching the spot and eliminate the ambiguity. If you or anyone else wants to lynch me for this go right ahead but I’m not changing my vote until that slot is gone.

[Robbnva]

tell me if im wrong but is"nt most jack of all trades able to mod?

I don’t understand this. Jack of all trades is a role.

[Robbnva]

i mean your rank title what ever its called

That’s just based on number of posts.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Phone0Ix

back, and why is the cop claim self-voting

Doubt it’s real claim. Cops can’t investigate night 0. No cop would ever claim like that.

He’s town or scum trolling. Town shouldn’t troll. Scum would go be written off as VI.

So until they do something major to actually look town, assume he’s scum

[Robbnva]

How is scumclaiming scummy

[Robbnva]

Town and scum can both do scummy things. To say scum claiming isn’t scummy is clearly a matter of opinion but most people would agree it’s scummy. It’s not AI but it’s scummy and site meta has scum doing these kinds of things cause they prey on town’s naivety.

[Robbnva]

And why am I scum? I haven’t done a single scummy thing.

[Robbnva]

And why am I scum? I haven’t done a single scummy thing.

eh your newer posts are towny I guess

but phone is a bad vote so I'm not shifting votes rn

So you have no reason for scum reading me
Have an actual reason to scum read phone

Refuses to vote phone...

Interesting

[Robbnva]

And I know you have no reason for scum reading me cause you didn’t correct me. I gave you the chance to point them out and you backed off.

Hope others keep an eye on that.

[Robbnva]

Too late. You blew your chance

[Robbnva]

That’s a stupid reason to scum read me.

[Robbnva]

Too late. You blew your chance

wolfy response

No. I called you out for not having a reason and you backed off. That was a Wolfy response.

[Robbnva]

And why am I scum? I haven’t done a single scummy thing.

eh your newer posts are towny I guess

but phone is a bad vote so I'm not shifting votes rn

So you have no reason for scum reading me
Have an actual reason to scum read phone

Refuses to vote phone...

Interesting

post 34 is why I SR you

Yeah i definitely missed that post
VOTE: Robbnva
L-1 i guess

Man I knew teacher was scum.

At least I’ll be proven correct when I flip town.

[Robbnva]

For the newbies out there let me explain. Post 35 isn’t AI (alignment indicative) at all.

It may be scummy, It may be antitown, but it isn’t more likely to come from scum or town.

Any SE player absolutely knows that to be true, or should.

[Robbnva]

If people want to lynch me cause I am refusing to unvote teacher, the guy who broke site rules, that’s fine but don’t sit there and pretend it’s AI.

[Robbnva]

no office intended Adorable but you do realize if you drag the day out and rob still gets lynch and flips scum instead of town you look bad right? just saying not ment to be harsh.

Go read some completed mafia games please. This isn’t meant to be an insult or anything but a way for you to learn mafia. The worst thing this site did was take away ICs. Now nobody can actually teach people.

If you are actually town, that line of thinking is so wrong. You probably won’t listen/trust me so please go read games and learn for yourself

[Robbnva]

He knows you're a tunneller, and a good one at that. He has played with you before. No one targets a tunneller; it's utterly foolish; a good way to get lynched. His post might have been a bad attempt at humour, but I think it was one nevertheless.

But nobody ever lynches who I say. My tunnels usually go nowhere.

[Robbnva]

When I’m gone please pay attention to the back tracking by temporal. He doubled down on me but now two people are advocating I could be town and he backs down without a fight or without any reasons

[Robbnva]

lol just give up and claim scum already

[Robbnva]

You had no reason to vote me to begin with. You have no reason to think I’m scum. The reason you did give isn’t a reason to scum read somebody ever. When I called you out saying you didn’t have a reason you didn’t try to defend yourself. When I call you out on that, you finally try to defend your actions. Now overnight nothing happens except two people argue that I’m probably town and somehow you decide I’m not scum anymore. No reason to support why you did the 180. You vote an easy target with no reason for it. When I call you out, you vote me again.


This is a factual representation of your play.

How is any of that a town mindset?

[Robbnva]

lol just give up and claim scum already

You're just trying to get me to prematurely claim.

It makes no sense for me to claim when it is D1 and

nobody has voted me yet.

lol. You just admitted you’re scum.

VOTE: temporal

[Robbnva]

lol just give up and claim scum already

You're just trying to get me to prematurely claim.

It makes no sense for me to claim when it is D1 and

nobody has voted me yet.

Now somebody has. So you’re going to admit you are scum now?

[Robbnva]

You already admitted you are scum. More votes should follow

[Robbnva]

I mean you can try and play it off as an accident or something but you did just admit you are scum

[Robbnva]

uh, i told him to go ahead and claim scum

he said he won't because nobody has voted him...

he doesn't deny that he is scum, he just says he won't admit to it until people vote him.

So....

[Robbnva]

but you already fell for it.

I never thought I would catch scum so easily but you slipped. It's ok, learn from it and improve next time.

[Robbnva]

why don't you ever defend yourself? I have made many accusations towards you and you just ignore them.

Like if I somehow ignore the fact that you didn't just admit you are scum, how do you explain the 180 on me? Walk me through that thought process. I didn't add anything new overnight so you go to bed thinking I am scum. You wake up and now you aren't so sure and you vote somebody else. The moment I mention that is suspicious behaviour, you vote me again.

explain how all that works in the mind of a "townie"

[Robbnva]

see why I have trouble seeing why you are town? You don't even try to explain yourself.

What is wolfy about calling out a bizarre 180?

whether you want to admit it or not, dropping a scum read on somebody without any explanation at all, especially when momentum seems to be shifting away from that person is scummy.

[Robbnva]

Never in this post did he allude to the notion that he would be claiming scum. This isn't a definitive scumslip, and Robbnva should know that by now.

uh, read what i asked him to do and read his response.

You don't know me, you don't know what I should and shouldn't know.


I asked him to claim scum, he said he isn't going to claim without votes on him. He never denies he is scum.

[Robbnva]

How can you say i am trying to role fish? I don't care what scum role you have, I just want you to admit what i already know. You are scum.

I never asked you to claim your role and anyone who says so is straight up lying.

[Robbnva]

What he's saying is that you have the intention of trying to force claim, any claim, out of him.

Of course he is going to spin it like that. he has no choice.

I never asked him to claim anything but being scum.

[Robbnva]

What is wolfy about calling out a bizarre 180?

why don't you ever defend yourself? I have made many accusations towards you and you just ignore them.

Like if I somehow ignore the fact that you didn't just admit you are scum, how do you explain the 180 on me? Walk me through that thought process. I didn't add anything new overnight so you go to bed thinking I am scum. You wake up and now you aren't so sure and you vote somebody else. The moment I mention that is suspicious behaviour, you vote me again.

explain how all that works in the mind of a "townie"

If not for my sake, for everyone else's sake. if you want people to think you are not scum ( ) please start answering these questions.

[Robbnva]

so instead of taking responsibility for your own actions, you blame me?

got it.

I didn't think it would be possible to be more convinced but that response did it. Blaming me for your shady actions isn't townie.

[Robbnva]

had you come in here and explained that you no longer think i was scum because of the post adorable made, and then decided to vote connor for <insert reasons>, I would not have had to call you out.


There is an old adage, "Scum can't scumhunt"

You don't look like you are scum hunting. You aren't asking questions and you aren't explaining your moves. When you get called out on it, you respond with aggression

[Robbnva]

you have already claimed scum. I don't expect anything more than that.

[Robbnva]

I’m not crushed

[Robbnva]

My selfvote was obviously unserious and ppl thinking I was actually claiming scum need to reconsider their reads

Who said you scum claimed?

[Robbnva]

And why aren’t you following up on those? Why not question them about it?

[Robbnva]

@red. You going to even pretend to scum hunt or you just ok being obvious?

[Robbnva]

I don’t feel crushed. I don’t look like I’m crushed. I don’t act like I’m crushed.

So no. I’m not.

Nothing he said crushed me.

[Robbnva]

Why does it seem like only 4 people care about this game?

[Robbnva]

mod. Starting tomorrow I’ll be v/la until the 10th

Noted

[Robbnva]

mod. Starting tomorrow I’ll be v/la until the 12th

Fixed

[Robbnva]

Robb, do you have a scumgame we could see (just in case)?

Only one that comes to mind is the one that just ended. I replaced out. Unfortunately I forgot I was scum so not really a good basis but I am capable of playing an emotional game as scum. So all you’ll learn is the way I’m playing is NaI

[Robbnva]

Like ignoring my anger towards teacher and phone which are legitimate, the stuff I posted about why temoral is scum is probably the best reason anyone has given this far.

His “360” nonsense and his refusal to explain himself are hands down the scummiest things I’ve seen

[Robbnva]

I wasn’t talking to you beetlejuice

[Robbnva]

I wasn’t talking to you beetlejuice

Robb you can't complain about his lack of explanation then tell him to piss off when he does try and explain himself.

If his explanations are coming after he’s been called out for them, yes I can.

Thats like getting caught robbing a bank and claiming you’re putting the money back now and it’s all ok

[Robbnva]

When I’m gone please pay attention to the back tracking by temporal. He doubled down on me but now two people are advocating I could be town and he backs down without a fight or without any reasons

Like he said this negated my read.

Why?

He did exactly what I said he did. Why is pointing out the truth suspicious?

[Robbnva]

Why is pointing out the truth suspicious?

[Robbnva]

Anyone else who isn’t Temporal answer this please

[Robbnva]

His 180 back to scum reading me is suspicious as fuck

[Robbnva]

You're trying to paint me as LHF so you can get me lynched.

Bullshit.

Scum hunting involves finding suspicious things and pointing them out. You scum read me cause I scum hunted you.

You’ve done no scum hunting

[Robbnva]

Bullshit number 2.

Who was I trying to get lynched when I made that post?

Temporal? Nope I was trying to get teacher/red lynched.

[Robbnva]

So you all can hate the way I play. You can even hate that I’m pissed off cause of teacher and I’m making everyone else suffer

Temporal is lying to you all. He literal just lied. Not a “mistake” but a bold face lie

[Robbnva]

p.edit are you talking about 34?! It's blindingly obvious who you're trying to get lynched in that post.

You just said that post I made was painting you as lhf to get you lynched but I wasn’t trying to get you lynched.


Liar liar

[Robbnva]

When I’m gone please pay attention to the back tracking by temporal. He doubled down on me but now two people are advocating I could be town and he backs down without a fight or without any reasons

Like he said this negated my read.

Why?

He did exactly what I said he did. Why is pointing out the truth suspicious?

I see scum motivation from that post.

You're trying to paint me as LHF so you can get me lynched.q/b]

The bolded is a flat out lie

[Robbnva]

You're trying to paint me as LHF so you can get me lynched.

Stupid phone

[Robbnva]

Scum motivation is you painting me as lhf and trying to get me lynched

But I wasn’t trying to get you lynched.

So what’s your excuse now scum?

[Robbnva]

Seriously town deserves to lose.

[Robbnva]

My anger shouldn’t matter. The scummy acts should speak for themselves.

He falsely accused me of trying to get him lynched. Why? Cause I pointed out something suspicious he did.


Ignore the noise. Focus on that.

[Robbnva]

He doesn’t even admit his mistake and apologize? Just drops it like it never happened?

Jfc

[Robbnva]

He doesn’t even admit his mistake and apologize? Just drops it like it never happened?

Jfc

Just because he didn't explicitly apologise doesn't mean he hasn't realised his mistake. We are trying to play a game at least somewhat civilly, not based on bait and counter-baiting people.

Fine he doesn’t have to apologize.

He didn’t admit his mistake.


Why are we letting people lie get off the hook?

[Robbnva]

What would having him 'on the hook' achieve?
Again, if you think he's scum, wait until he slips up properly.
Don't complain about his bad etiquette; ask him (or others) pointed and game-advancing questions, and don't just blindly insist he's scum.

That’s the thing. He’s slipped up properly imo.

I guess I’m all alone in that regard. Not much else I can do

[Robbnva]

How about retract that I made that post trying to get you lynched. Cause that never happened.

[Robbnva]

My vote is on the scummiest. Literally nobody scummier than you.

[Robbnva]

Ah, no, RF is an alt of FL. So.

If serious, lynch him even more.

[Robbnva]

Cyan, Adorable, cyrus, FL, connor, can you give us your perspective on this Robb vs. Temporal battle?

Really not sure what to think here. As others have pointed out, Robbnva seems too aggressive to be scum at this point, and I can respect TemporalLich for admitting to the fact and not directly fighting back (which is frankly only mildly townie). However, the way Rob's pushing the 'slip' still irks me.

Maybe I'd call this a nullread, but I'm leaning on a TvT interaction here.

Why does it irk you?

Not the first and definitely not the last I call perceived scum slips, scum slips.

[Robbnva]

I dont make cases kido

Wow that’s rather... lazy of you.

Why not?

[Robbnva]

I never understood that. What’s scummy about explaining why you’re scum reading somebody

[Robbnva]

That’s a discussion for md.

[Robbnva]

Omg you’re attacking lhf in an attempt to lynch him.

URThaScumz

[Robbnva]

At this point RedFlavor might actually be scum, who has me in his scumteam list because I'm still an easy lynch apparently

How can you be the easy lynch when I’m the only one who has ever been close to lynch?

[Robbnva]

Pro tip: do not PM to players in the game even if you think someone is cheating, PM the mods.

Weird protip. Has that ever happened?

[Robbnva]

Spangled, Temporal and Cyrus are town

Change my mind

That’s not how this game works.

[Robbnva]

Gotcha

[Robbnva]

Happy 4th to those in America. To those in England please come and take us back. I’d rather the queen than trump

[Robbnva]

Pro tip: do not PM to players in the game even if you think someone is cheating, PM the mods.

Weird protip. Has that ever happened?

You'd be surprised how many times I've witnessed it happen in all of the places I've played Mafia in. The only place where you can legally PM someone mid-game is in ToS (the game, not the forums).

I actually had a mod tell me go kill somebody else as a SK before so I guess nothing surprises me.

Bunch of people used to cheat at epic mafia lol

[Robbnva]

Yesterday was a Holiday. Maybe it’ll pick up today.

[Robbnva]

Messaged the newbie list mod go see if there is a backup mod until the regular comes back

[Robbnva]

If we're talking about replacements, we probably need one for the host.

Penguin will take over if our mod isn’t back today.

[Robbnva]

That's... not a 100% clear.

[Robbnva]

On my first game I was scum and just didn't understand what being a member of the town meant. The tracker was modkilled tracking me and a cop got a redcheck on my partner, and I CCed JK. We lost fairly swiftly.

The funniest shit I’ve ever seen was the old setups. scum faked cop with guilty on his partner. His partner cc’d. The real cop claimed. It was good times.


As town I had probably one of the best unvotes in the history of this site. I voted and had been refreshing in lylo. First scum voted. I unvoted at the same time scum was trying to hammer. Time stamp was the same. It literally must have been milliseconds.

[Robbnva]

Sorry. Vacation cut short due to death in family.

request replacement

Looking for replacement for Robbnva. Deadline is frozen until replacements are found.

[Robbnva]

like robb was p obv!scum when at the beginning of the game he was like "lol yep im death-tunneling teacher slot" and when teacher tries to de-escalate by repping out he still attacks teacher.

I didn’t play any different than how I play as town though. I’m wn emotional person so of course I use my emotions. Everything i said this game was how I honestly feel.

[Robbnva]

like sure i get venting ur anger in the scum pt, but dont direct it at ur scumbuddy...

I was in a rough time in my life and I didn’t need some dude telling me how to play. I was copying my town meta. I couldn’t shift my play