Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[Thespio]

Hey guys, apologies for the delay, went clubbing last night and left my phone at home. Ill review the game, before I do anything anyone wants me to look at specifically?

[Thespio]

Spoiler: Post 5

Hello! I'm your resident SE!

What's your experience with Mafia?

This is actually a big scum tell for SEs, they want a position of power so they start out trying to be proper and not with a RV in RVS. if you dont believe me look at other completed games.

Spoiler: post 21

Sup

same general concern here, but its less a concern as they aren't flaunting their experience.

Spoiler: post 31

there are other ways to do that, you don't ever have to rvs vote.

another scummy post. Nothing like criticizing a RVS Vote.

Spoiler: post 48

VOTE: Phone0Ix

Scummy but also could just be a newbie. someone who doesnt know how to play and doesnt want to die so they are trying to avoid the limelight.

At this point Robb is 1 off from dying, seems odd scum didnt end it here. it would cut off all early discussing and kill a townie... seems odd.


Also, Phone0Ix, you should not have cop claimed if you are town. WTF is this nonsense? if you are cop you created a situation where you die and basically anything you say if you live is useless unless we lynch you and prove you are cop. In a faster paced game you absolutely can claim D1, because you can be overlooked and more people have PR, but at max 2 of us do. which means you have screwed the pooch here. it makes it look like you are role fishing.

Spoiler: post 103

Here's a preliminary lead rist:

[Town]

cyrus62

- easily the town leader, ISO feels great

Adorable

- has a decent case on town!robb in 85

Spangled

- a few posts, but I give a weak TR here

RedFlavor

- eh, not feeling much here

Cyan Talon

- I'm not feeling anything here

connorcompton

- I can't be expected to read a player based on one single post

Phone0Ix

- Scum claimer (see 42) and self-voter

Robbnva

- I'm just gonna say Robb is scum

[Scum]

this is fake. looks fake, its skin deep, its sad.

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everything robb does looks bad.
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Spoiler: post 127

no office intended Adorable but you do realize if you drag the day out and rob still gets lynch and flips scum instead of town you look bad right? just saying not ment to be harsh.

Ok so this is just as bad as what you are making Adorable out to be. Pushing an early lynch and them flipping town masks scum, since theres a whole wagon of people to sort through, why did you bother to post this?

Spoiler: post 161

When I’m gone please pay attention to the back tracking by temporal. He doubled down on me but now two people are advocating I could be town and he backs down without a fight or without any reasons

never mind...

VOTE: Robbnva

At this point I am fairly certain TemporalLich and Robb are scum. there is so much support. You got Temporal fitting every scum tell for an SE, you got robb posting LAMIST posts. This is where I would look at this point.

Spoiler: post 227

When I’m gone please pay attention to the back tracking by temporal. He doubled down on me but now two people are advocating I could be town and he backs down without a fight or without any reasons

Like he said this negated my read.

Why?

He did exactly what I said he did. Why is pointing out the truth suspicious?

I see scum motivation from that post. You're trying to paint me as LHF so you can get me lynched.

most fake looking fight ever!

Spoiler: post 245

gonna shift my vote because I'm thinking TL/Robb is TvT and because of 243 maybe.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Reading his ISO, 177's read on cyrus doesn't feel genuine and the rest feels lukewarm. Mulling between this and RedFlavor (entire ISO is lukewarm at best) tbh.

oh look, he forgave robb even though he just sr him after a 10 post fight... odd...

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have we moved beyond the cop claim? why did this not cause a bigger splash?
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Spoiler: post 340

i have to ask red why is temp scum and temp why is red scum or phone scum for that matter

That's indicative of refusing to effort and honestly not playing naturally.

Sounds like you're suggesting a policy lynch to me...

@mod, could we have D1 paused until a replacement for connor is found or similar?

Day will be paused until a replacement for connorcompton will be found

I found this odd too, im standing by a Temporal SR


This is where IM at now, taking a break for a moment.

[Thespio]

VOTE: TemporalLich
Goddamn I looked for at everyone, Im putting my vote here until I am done, so shifty.

[Thespio]

Looked at everyone^

[Thespio]

What are the pros and cons of no lynch D1?

Pros:

Power roles get to act?

Cons:

Town loses valuable info that is gained by a mislynch or scum lynch
The game goes to evens and it becomes harder to obtain lynches
Scum still get a nightkill so a D1 NL goes to pretty much D1 with a strong townie dead

A lynch hurts scum and helps town every time. scum already know who is town, we dont, even if a townie dies its better then a NL

[Thespio]

You claimed cop?

[Thespio]

You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

Thats a pretty soft claim, there are a different roles that dont coexist, that looks like you are PR claiming not cop claiming, so this is a hard claim now?

[Thespio]

You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

Thats a pretty soft claim, there are a different roles that dont coexist, that looks like you are PR claiming not cop claiming, so this is a hard claim now?

yeah I've officially gone from a mediumclaim to a hardclaim

I dont buy it even a little, your an SE why are you claiming even a little, if you knew someone was fake claiming as a cop, why not investigate them at night make sure they arent town and hard claim D2?

[Thespio]

Explain this pro SE strat to me

[Thespio]

Anyone else on, anyone find this even a little convincing?

[Thespio]

I dont buy it even a little, your an SE why are you claiming even a little, if you knew someone was fake claiming as a cop, why not investigate them at night make sure they arent town and hard claim D2?

I had to claim because I was run up to L-1 with intent, plus I didn't believe phone's claim was serious.

WOA WOA WOA, you didnt believe phones claim was serious? why didnt you question the play? you are cop, you know he isnt the cop, it should have been something you were all over. To me that looks like a last ditch effort to live, it was mid day. being L-1 doent mean you give up a PR day 1. it especially doesnt mean you hard claim later when someone brings you back up.

[Thespio]

um... I said phone's claim wasn't a cop claim in 43

And you didnt push him at all, you dismissed a false claim? more importantly you soft claimed and as soon as I brought up your scummy posts you just out and hard claimed. You know what I think? you are scum, you soft claimed to get clear, and hopefully get a CC so when you die you would trade for a PR. Theres no other logic behind you:

Someone fake claims
you are that role and you ignore them
you get pressured
you soft claim
someone brings you back up
you hard claim


Heres what I would expect:

someone fake claims
you push them because you are that role
you get pressured
you arent bad and communicate/possibly fake claim as VT
someone brings you back up
you discuss your prior behavior without any kind of claim


nothing you are doing makes sense.

[Thespio]

um... I said phone's claim wasn't a cop claim in 43

Also that isnt what you said, you were indicating a selfvote is scum, you didn't start any discussion on it. Why if you are cop did you not discuss the fake claim????

[Thespio]

yeah my vote isnt moving, You are not cop, My guess is there is a mafia RB, and you are claiming a role that exists 2/3 of the time. you want a CC so you can RB the cop. and kill someone else, effectively canceling out the cop. You are likely not the RB, as you made the claim.

[Thespio]

yeah my vote isnt moving, You are not cop, My guess is there is a mafia RB, and you are claiming a role that exists 2/3 of the time. you want a CC so you can RB the cop. and kill someone else, effectively canceling out the cop. You are likely not the RB, as you made the claim.

Post 893 has some information that would argue otherwise.

um, sorry, i meant 892. whoops

anyway, consider what i'm implying behind my statement. it would tell you that there likely isn't a Mafia RB if TL is lying with his cop claim

what are you implying? that you are a PR too? because if you are stop. Otherwise you are willing to accept a claim, even though a fake one has already been made. Are you not curious why a PR wouldnt interrogate a fake claim, or atleast ask them a question? also why hard claim when no one asks for it? we had a soft claim, it satisfied everyone apparently up to this point, why be explicit?

[Thespio]

@Cyan, you TR everyone except Lich?

[Thespio]

@MOD Can we get a VC please?

[Thespio]

Cyrus, how do you feel about this claim D1 from soft to hard?

[Thespio]

i was very upset that town forced a pr clime on d1 even voiced it

Lets say its you, you are Cop, you get pressured D1, do you soft claim, hard claim, or fake claim VT?

[Thespio]

right, now the person who claimed is supposed to be experienced enough to know that so lets say they arent cop, what are they, who benefits from that claim? we can talk about the other situation in a sec.

[Thespio]

Right, I think hes the best lynch right now, if hes cop 2 people on the original wagon are scum, as he wasnt hammered after his claim. when he flips scum we know we are on the right track with PRs. He is the best lynch, Since we dont have a VC I would encourage a shift this way. Also the first post SE intro is a proven scum tell for new SEs btw. Look at my scum games, look at the completed ones, its something new SEs do when they get excited about being scum.

I am fairly certain in a game like this, if he claimed PR he would die for it if it was real. Like how did he softclaim and not die at L1 to scum?

his actions dont make sense with his role.

I think one scum was on his wagon bussing or none at all.

[Thespio]

Right, and that helps scum bus, I think the little spat that Robb and Lich had is a prime example of S on S fighting. Did you notice lich condemns him and then loves him in less then 10 posts?


@Cyan, I think we would all as scum quickhammer and claim lol hammer with the lack of moderation

PEDIT// almost died in an elivator

[Thespio]

almost died so hard i misspelled elevator

[Thespio]

Sure adorable, who does a CC help D1? as you stated, it helps scum, its a scum way to get town. So if you see Phone as scum because he claimed, how do you look at Temp and think what he did is ok? Why are you ok lynching afks and me? damn maybe I need to look at your ISO. you understand the implications of what temp is doing but ignoring them for the giggles

[Thespio]

So I was susp of robb (now osuka) but Adorable is pinging my radar hard because of post 963

[Thespio]

but I would like to focus on the Cop claim from the SE even though he didnt need to claim he just did to be evil.

[Thespio]

I'm still s

Answer my of questions real quick:
who benefits from a fake cop claim?
who benefits from a Counter claim?
Why would you claim Cop over VT D1 if a PR claim helps scum?

[Thespio]

If Temp really is the Cop, then I think he would have reacted to Phone's post which he actually did.

Would you mind linking his response to someone claiming his role?

I'm still s

Answer my of questions real quick:
who benefits from a fake cop claim?
who benefits from a Counter claim?
Why would you claim Cop over VT D1 if a PR claim helps scum?

Normally I would believe the counter claim. When I first saw Phone's first post, it didn't look like he claimed Cop and it looked like he was joking but now when I start to think about it if Phone is scum, he might have done that claim to get a reaction from a player who could be a Cop and Temp reacted to Phone's post and Temp claimed Cop when he had 4 votes. If I was the real Cop who had 4 votes about to get lynched, I would have also probably claimed Cop and I would expect the Doctor to protect me at night and fake claiming Vanilla Town instead of the Cop would have most likely gotten me lynched.

I think you are wrong here, and if you look at any game in my record where a D1 power roll was put at L1 you will see them constantly claim VT because there is no advantage to claiming cop. if there is a mafia rollcop then hes dead and they will know that, if theres a blocker theres a 50/50 chance hes dead. so basically hes rolling the dice and preying, if he claims VT we continue on our pressure spread and push for inconsistencies as the game is played.

I find it very odd you think him not reacting to the fake claim and making a nonsense claim is good towny behavior.

[Thespio]

i was very upset that town forced a pr clime on d1 even voiced it

Lets say its you, you are Cop, you get pressured D1, do you soft claim, hard claim, or fake claim VT?

vt dul

this interaction is really odd. I'm not sure what to make of this, but it almost feels like cyrus is just feeding thespio the answers he wants to hear

lets play the game then, you are cop, you get pressured before you even use your role, its mid day, meaning no rush to kill anyone. theres a risk you could get hammered by scum the moment you give up your role, do you claim VT, refuse to claim, or claim your PR?

[Thespio]

who was on and off of Lich's wagon?

[Thespio]

It didn't look like Phone claimed Cop and if he really is a Cop, then he shouldn't have done that as his first post. If Temp really is the Cop, then I think he would have reacted to Phone's post which he actually did. Wheme subs in for Phone and if Wheme is the real Cop, he would have voted Temp for claiming Cop but he did not do that and instead he votes Cyan.

Doesnt really matter, none of you bothered to ask him questions. Hes gone now, and we know there is one liar.

[Thespio]

Ultimately depends on how much pressure I’m under. I wouldn’t say scum could get away with hammering that slot at that point in time though

I would only ever claim pr d1 if I felt like there was no other option

do you feel like he had no other option?

[Thespio]

Ultimately depends on how much pressure I’m under. I wouldn’t say scum could get away with hammering that slot at that point in time though

I would only ever claim pr d1 if I felt like there was no other option

do you feel like he had no other option?

I’m not sure. I just can’t see myself in that situation, because I don’t make a habit of actively trying to get myself lynched as a PR zone the first day

Good goal, ill give you a hint, as someone whos been around the block quite a few times, experienced players dont claim PR because it doesnt help anyone who is good

[Thespio]

I thought Phone was just joking when he claimed Cop and I didn't believe his claim. Wheme subs in for Phone and if he was the Cop, it would have made more sense if he voted Temp but he voted Cyan instead.

Right, your full of it, he didnt hard claim cop until a few posts ago, and he hasnt posted anything about the cop claim. so making assertions like that isnt really logical. Lets just ask him, why did his slot claim cop? is it valid? because his only post isnt about Lich being a cop, its about lich being a PR. because he claimed PR not cop.

[Thespio]

Im just seeing adorable make excuses for Lich, and Lich disappeared when I applied pressure. BTW he was on for 30 minutes after I started questioning him, so I say you both are running the clock. If I dont die tonight Im pushing both of you.

[Thespio]

the fact that he didn’t immediately push phone should tell you a lot more than whatever panic claim he did

Both point the same way IMO, both tell me he isnt cop.