Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[osuka]

hi everyone ill catch up and post thoughts in near real time, get fuckin hyped

[osuka]

wait there's a cop claim on page 2? what the fuck is happening

[osuka]

[p]117[/p] is a really shit reason to scumread any slot

congrats lich, you just failed a likely reaction test

[osuka]

hahah fuck my life
here's a link to post 117

[osuka]

The worst thing this site did was take away ICs

from the few pages ive read so far, agreed.

cyrus is giving me strong noobscum vibes

[osuka]

131 feels fabricated

"nobody targets a tunneler" is a stupid thing to say and i don't like that read

[osuka]

136 and 137 make me think cyrus is noobscum

138 further confirms my confusion around the spangled slot. I'm thinking either scum or town pr

[osuka]

141 comes off as an attempt to stall the game

spangled seems to be very confident about town robb. I wonder if this slot is just really good at looking towny?

[osuka]

163 is a

blatant

misrep of the previous post

[osuka]

as of page 8, i like lich for scum

[osuka]

177 echoes my thoughts almost down to the letter

[osuka]

the first paragraph in 185 makes me want to vomit
VOTE: lich

[osuka]

not really strictly game related, but cyrus: please start using punctuation. 204 gave me a headache

[osuka]

206 is the first obviously town post this game

[osuka]

206 is the first obviously town post this game

man i cant work bbcode for shit today
206

[osuka]

215 is really weird. why are you trying to self-meta?

[osuka]

241 is an obvious spin. 239 is nai

[osuka]

also not strictly game related, but spangled is way too polite of a player. i apologize in advance for the point in every game where i get tilted

[osuka]

as of page 11, lich has completely ceased posting any analyses and his posts are now completely devoid of meaningful content

[osuka]

And FL is totally ignoring this game; he's playing his others but not this.
I wonder if he's lurking, or if he's just forgotten it exists.

I know this blames me but true and the fact that you were paying attention to this shows you ar etown

obvious pocket attempt

[osuka]

ive somehwat read everything up until 400. i'll be back later

[osuka]

im catching up a little bit more (stopped at 450)

sera comes in swinging - I like this slot. pretty towny and really not afraid of giving reads and pushing the game forward

[osuka]

i do happen to agree with that slot's scumreads from 449, but I'm very iffy on any townreads other than sera at this point

[osuka]

as of page 20, spangled seems fairly keen on getting a claim out of lich without actually providing much valuable input to a push or counterpush

[osuka]

(because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing)

not strictly related to this game, but i strongly disagree with this as a blanket statement (and i believe ive actually almost lost a game because of a vt fakeclaim, if memory serves)

[osuka]

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

this isn't a mediumclaim, it's a jk claim. the only town PR that cannot coexist with a cop in this setup is jk

i've stopped reading at this post and since i havent seen anyone cc, UNVOTE:

[osuka]

A cop claim. Alright.

coming back 2 hours later and realizing the obvious alternative that it's a cop claim. oh well

[osuka]

but on third thought, not that it makes a difference. i suppose the existence of the counterclaim is all there is to read into here

however, this situation begs the question: why did phone claim cop in the first place?

[osuka]

RedFlavor is still ignoring this game.

[osuka]

It's hard for scum to look towny

false

refusing to look over someone's ISO or case them doesn't help town, especially when said ISO could show them to be towny.

true

spangled's game is very interesting, because I get mixed signals in every department (apparent intention, reads, tone, etc.)

[osuka]

you pushed after they soft you wouldnt back down you were told it was bad for town scum could have used it later or thougt they might not be tellung the truth you only hurt town and now we have a less cance of wining this game

can someone help translate this

[osuka]

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

A cop claim. Alright.
If there are real PRs out there, could one claim?
And if anyone lolhammers you are trying to gamethrow.

and on this note, anyone voting TemporalLich should probably get off right about now

i can't put a finger on what or why, but I don't feel very good about this post

cyan doesn't put a lot of content out, so I don't have much of a read on this slot so far. I'm thinking i might have to iso it later if there's not enough content

[osuka]

If Temporal had already softed PR, he'd be dead no matter what. By claiming he lets the town know as well, so scum don't have any greater advantage.

this is stupid

[osuka]

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

this readslist is ass-backwards.

to be very clear, lich is not conftown in my mind. The absence of a counter claim does not mean a claim is valid (

especially

for a softclaim). i'm willing to trust this slot d1 to some extent, but I don't discard the possibility of scum here

[osuka]

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

If there are any allegations I haven't defended myself against that you would like to me to, please quote them. And I'd love to read that case.

As for reasons why I'm town?

1. I've been incredibly forthright with reads, aggressively pursued them, allowed for my reads to develop organically (see Red and Spangle, in both directions).
2. Why would I, somebody who is replacing somebody slightly suspected with no town cred, go after you right when I enter when you're nearly universally read as town? Why wouldn't I go for an easier target like Red or phone, both of whom were suspected at the time?
3. Why did I unvote Temp right away? Since I clearly am indicating skepticism of their claim, i could have at least given it the old college try to force the mislynch of a claimed cop through, couldn't I?
4. I'm honestly not sure what the case on me is beyond "found a claimed PR suspicious and therefore voted him"?

this feels like a very purposefully crafted post (nearly fabricated), in an otherwise very genuinely towny game so far

[osuka]

wheme, i'm going tf to sleep. do this game some justice and catch up real well so this game actually moves forward and i have shit to reply to tomorrow

cya later nerds

[osuka]

good i can short phone now about time.

hey I just peeped the thread on my phone right before putting it away to go to sleep and I really feel the need to ask you: what the fuck do you mean by “shorting” people? You keep saying that like it has meaning when, in fact, it’s almost like we’re speaking different languages

[osuka]

good i can short phone now about time.

hey I just peeped the thread on my phone right before putting it away to go to sleep and I really feel the need to ask you: what the fuck do you mean by “shorting” people? You keep saying that like it has meaning when, in fact, it’s almost like we’re speaking different languages

I think maybe english isn't his first language? Idk you get the gist of what hes trying to say tho

No I really don’t

[osuka]

If I did, I wouldn’t take the time to ask him, because that would be completely pointless and a waste of the time of everyone involved

[osuka]

But thanks that’s actually a bit obvious

[osuka]

y to give you the info, but it's played pretty differently over there (much faster days for one thing) so I'm uncertain it will necessarily give you that much valuable intel.

Oh no the wall posts have started RIP me

wait till you see what they did .

You won’t believe it! Mafia players hate him!!!

Learn how to find scum in 30 seconds!

[osuka]

Spoiler:

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

this readslist is ass-backwards.

to be very clear, lich is not conftown in my mind. The absence of a counter claim does not mean a claim is valid (

especially

for a softclaim). i'm willing to trust this slot d1 to some extent, but I don't discard the possibility of scum here

Disagreeing with one read is one thing, flat-out contesting the whole read list is another. I'd like an explanation on every slot on here, please.

who are you asking

me

[osuka]

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

this readslist is ass-backwards.

to be very clear, lich is not conftown in my mind. The absence of a counter claim does not mean a claim is valid (

especially

for a softclaim). i'm willing to trust this slot d1 to some extent, but I don't discard the possibility of scum here

Disagreeing with one read is one thing, flat-out contesting the whole read list is another. I'd like an explanation on every slot on here, please.

I’m excluding my slot from this list for obvious reasons
you’re fairly towny, so you’re just about the only read I agree with on there
spangled is a bit townier than null, but not by much
Sera is obvtown
haven’t got a read on red
haven’t got a read on adorable
Cyrus scum

As an addendum, you’re asking questions that are too pedantic and at times reachy, so you’ll inevitably get meme replies in normals (I’m particularly guilty of that). You get town points for asking good questions in a scumhunting sense, but sometimes you need some finesse - mafia is a game where a lot of things happen implicitly and go unsaid. Not game related, it’s just so you know

[osuka]

@everyone can we please stop using the names of people who have replaced out long ago? I'm having trouble keeping track of who's in what slot

[osuka]

my 1st game if you follow it your , see this is how i play.

who are you talking to?

[osuka]

so you're trying to self-meta? The fact that you're openly aware of the existence of a meta makes any meta reads much weaker, not to mention the fact that meta reads really aren't that strong to begin with when they're based off of a single game

[osuka]

so basically what you're saying is that it's impossible to meta read you at this time

[osuka]

it's not a question, it's a statement

[osuka]

Alright sorry catching up now

do let us know in case you decide to catch up

[osuka]

My compromise lynches are RedFlavor and Spangled, still voting Sera right now

why do you think sera is scum? I don't think spangled is a good lynch and I would be willing to compromise on redflavor, though I would rather not lynch this slot because of the lack of content. I just don't have a good read here

[osuka]

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

this readslist is ass-backwards.

to be very clear, lich is not conftown in my mind. The absence of a counter claim does not mean a claim is valid (

especially

for a softclaim). i'm willing to trust this slot d1 to some extent, but I don't discard the possibility of scum here

Disagreeing with one read is one thing, flat-out contesting the whole read list is another. I'd like an explanation on every slot on here, please.

I’m excluding my slot from this list for obvious reasons
you’re fairly towny, so you’re just about the only read I agree with on there
spangled is a bit townier than null, but not by much
Sera is obvtown
haven’t got a read on red
haven’t got a read on adorable
Cyrus scum

As an addendum, you’re asking questions that are too pedantic and at times reachy, so you’ll inevitably get meme replies in normals (I’m particularly guilty of that). You get town points for asking good questions in a scumhunting sense, but sometimes you need some finesse - mafia is a game where a lot of things happen implicitly and go unsaid. Not game related, it’s just so you know

So you reckon I'm a bit townier than null, but also that

206 is the first obviously town post this game

How do those work together?

@osuka

how do they not? having a towny post does not a townie make

[osuka]

My compromise lynches are RedFlavor and Spangled, still voting Sera right now

why do you think sera is scum? I don't think spangled is a good lynch and I would be willing to compromise on redflavor, though I would rather not lynch this slot because of the lack of content. I just don't have a good read here

Aye, Red's not a good lynch because of the almost-complete lack of associatives or practically anything it will bring if they flip town.

lack of associatives is a bad reason to not lynch a slot

[osuka]

Good thing Lich is the PR because if he wasn’t I’d want him lynched

agreed 100% and i'm still not convinced he actually really is the pr just because of how scummy that slot is

[osuka]

Cases are boring and scummy

no they aren't, they give town a reason to follow your reads, and can be useful to catch scum

Cases are boring and scummy

no they aren't, they give town a reason to follow your reads, and can be useful to catch scum

Be my blind sheep

Idk spangled just read Cyans iso dude is so neutral on everything and hasn’t placed one vote all game

Just screams scum too me

alright I think I can agree with this case. Yeah, no vote is scummy AF.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Sera is still a worthy lynch

lol what the fuck
are you actively trying to look scummy, lich? this is quickly reaching levels beyond human comprehension

you've dug a hold so deep that i'm actually really considering voteparking you

[osuka]

why would I be openwolfing?

that's my question to you

[osuka]

Cases are boring and scummy

no they aren't, they give town a reason to follow your reads, and can be useful to catch scum

Cases are boring and scummy

no they aren't, they give town a reason to follow your reads, and can be useful to catch scum

Be my blind sheep

Idk spangled just read Cyans iso dude is so neutral on everything and hasn’t placed one vote all game

Just screams scum too me

alright I think I can agree with this case. Yeah, no vote is scummy AF.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Sera is still a worthy lynch

lol what the fuck
are you actively trying to look scummy, lich? this is quickly reaching levels beyond human comprehension

you've dug a hold so deep that i'm actually really considering voteparking you

Woah osuka does this mean you don’t want to vote cyan with me

i can revisit the slot's iso but i have a slight townlean on it at this moment. it's not a strong read but he definitely wouldnt be at the top of my lynch list

[osuka]

why would I be openwolfing?

that's my question to you

I wouldn't openwolf on D1, I'd surely be lynched

and wasn't that exactly what was about to happen before you claimed pr?

[osuka]

why would I be openwolfing?

that's my question to you

I wouldn't openwolf on D1, I'd surely be lynched

and wasn't that exactly what was about to happen before you claimed pr?

Aye, but no CC has appeared.

that doesn’t mean one won’t appear, and it more importantly doesn’t mean the claim is undoubtedly true

[osuka]

Bah.
How many replacements can this game get?

I’d rather have replacements than shitty activity

[osuka]

Cases are boring and scummy

no they aren't, they give town a reason to follow your reads, and can be useful to catch scum

Cases are boring and scummy

no they aren't, they give town a reason to follow your reads, and can be useful to catch scum

Be my blind sheep

Idk spangled just read Cyans iso dude is so neutral on everything and hasn’t placed one vote all game

Just screams scum too me

alright I think I can agree with this case. Yeah, no vote is scummy AF.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Sera is still a worthy lynch

lol what the fuck
are you actively trying to look scummy, lich? this is quickly reaching levels beyond human comprehension

you've dug a hold so deep that i'm actually really considering voteparking you

What about 805 is scummy?

Nothing in 805 - I quoted it to show the apparent complete lack of a reasonable thought process

807 is where it really zaps my brain. He’s backpedaling hard from his previous stance of strongly disagreeing with RF. All it took was “be my blind sheep” and he turns a complete 180, from “you don’t have a case and therefore you’re scummy” to “you have an ok case, I’m willing to go with it”

disgusting, really.

[osuka]

I am not good with a Sera lynch. Her thoughts fitted with, and added to, mine in so many places I felt like we mindmelded and I couldn't see any of that perspective coming from scum.

how comfy, exactly, is sera's pocket?

[osuka]

I don't think I was pocketed, personally.

that's exactly what someone who was pocketed would say

[osuka]

nobody ever gets pocketed by a player that looks like they're trying to pocket someone

[osuka]

welcome thespio

[osuka]

@mod: can you update 0 with the new names of the players added? It's been difficult to keep track of who replaced in what slot

Absolutely! Updated!

[osuka]

I don't think I was pocketed, personally.

that's exactly what someone who was pocketed would say

So you don't think a single action she made or thing she displayed came off as towny?

this is a misrep of monumental proportions

[osuka]

What are the pros and cons of no lynch D1?

there are no pros for town in a d1 nl

[osuka]

And especially with a claimed PR, there is no reason to let scum have the killing and the night all to themselves.
Alright.
I don't really like a Cyan lynch, but I like it better than many lynches the town seems to be going for right now, and we have 12 hours left.
This is an okay compromise lynch. Not great, and we might lose a valuable player for lategame, but we kind of need to lynch someone, so I will
VOTE: Cyan Talon

this reeks of scum

as of this post, i am 100% okay with lynching spangled

[osuka]

You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

Thats a pretty soft claim, there are a different roles that dont coexist, that looks like you are PR claiming not cop claiming, so this is a hard claim now?

You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

Thats a pretty soft claim, there are a different roles that dont coexist, that looks like you are PR claiming not cop claiming, so this is a hard claim now?

yeah I've officially gone from a mediumclaim to a hardclaim

You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

Thats a pretty soft claim, there are a different roles that dont coexist, that looks like you are PR claiming not cop claiming, so this is a hard claim now?

yeah I've officially gone from a mediumclaim to a hardclaim

I dont buy it even a little, your an SE why are you claiming even a little, if you knew someone was fake claiming as a cop, why not investigate them at night make sure they arent town and hard claim D2?

this is a switcheroo if i've ever seen one, even if I do agree with the gist of it

[osuka]

um... I said phone's claim wasn't a cop claim in 43

And you didnt push him at all, you dismissed a false claim? more importantly you soft claimed and as soon as I brought up your scummy posts you just out and hard claimed. You know what I think? you are scum, you soft claimed to get clear, and hopefully get a CC so when you die you would trade for a PR. Theres no other logic behind you:

Someone fake claims
you are that role and you ignore them
you get pressured
you soft claim
someone brings you back up
you hard claim


Heres what I would expect:

someone fake claims
you push them because you are that role
you get pressured
you arent bad and communicate/possibly fake claim as VT
someone brings you back up
you discuss your prior behavior without any kind of claim


nothing you are doing makes sense.

qft

[osuka]

i was very upset that town forced a pr clime on d1 even voiced it

Lets say its you, you are Cop, you get pressured D1, do you soft claim, hard claim, or fake claim VT?

vt dul

this interaction is really odd. I'm not sure what to make of this, but it almost feels like cyrus is just feeding thespio the answers he wants to hear

[osuka]

i was very upset that town forced a pr clime on d1 even voiced it

Lets say its you, you are Cop, you get pressured D1, do you soft claim, hard claim, or fake claim VT?

vt dul

this interaction is really odd. I'm not sure what to make of this, but it almost feels like cyrus is just feeding thespio the answers he wants to hear

lets play the game then, you are cop, you get pressured before you even use your role, its mid day, meaning no rush to kill anyone. theres a risk you could get hammered by scum the moment you give up your role, do you claim VT, refuse to claim, or claim your PR?

Ultimately depends on how much pressure I’m under. I wouldn’t say scum could get away with hammering that slot at that point in time though

I would only ever claim pr d1 if I felt like there was no other option

[osuka]

Ultimately depends on how much pressure I’m under. I wouldn’t say scum could get away with hammering that slot at that point in time though

I would only ever claim pr d1 if I felt like there was no other option

do you feel like he had no other option?

I’m not sure. I just can’t see myself in that situation, because I don’t make a habit of actively trying to get myself lynched as a PR zone the first day

[osuka]

like all in all, I don’t think his claim is the worst part of it all by any measure. There are many other aspects to his game that irk me much worse than that claim ever could. See his tone, his pushes, his arguments and his defense to other people’s pushes

the fact that he didn’t immediately push phone should tell you a lot more than whatever panic claim he did

[osuka]

I checked Spangled... and got NRed...

Yeah this is a disaster

NRed? you need to start using vocabulary that is comprehensible to the majority of players here

[osuka]

It's really as if scum knew Cyan was a PR

to be fair didnt he soft pr? I have to admit I did completely miss it, but 954 heavily implies that he is a PR of some sort

[osuka]

and regardless, wasn't it you trying to lynch cyan the whole time on day 1? You spearheaded that lynch wagon

[osuka]

NRed? you need to start using vocabulary that is comprehensible to the majority of players here

NRed. As in I got no result when checking Spangled.

and regardless, wasn't it you trying to lynch cyan the whole time on day 1? You spearheaded that lynch wagon

Yeah. I was asleep when he softed PR and didn't wake up until the day ended in a NL.

I'm still assuming the town was fractured D1.

assuming? have you not read the thread up until this point?

a no result is very convenient for you isnt it? why should I trust your cop claim after a day of you actively trying to get yourself lynched and an NR n1?

[osuka]

regardless, my vote's on Spangled, treat this as D1 where not voting is scummy

you’re still trying to get yourself lynched aren’t you

here, I’ll help
VOTE: lich

[osuka]

Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by that, and a doubtless clever joke is utterly wasted to me.
But VTs don’t often soft PR, so I can see why scum would consider it an actual claim.

WIFOM except weirder.

yeah, a PR soft is likely to be from a PR.

Still, it doesn't bode well that scum shoots the PR soft instead of the most overpowered role in the setup.

if your cop claim is really true, that means there is a 50% chance of a mafia roleblocker

In the case of a cop+mafia RB, there is a 50% chance of a doctor. Mafia probably doesn’t wanna take the chance of shooting you and have the doctor save you - in that case, there are two PRs alive and the cop got a check.

Mafia has setup knowledge that town does not - so on second thought, even if I do have a bit of a hard time believing your claim, I do think a roleblock is feasible
UNVOTE: lich

[osuka]

osuka - 1033 is a pretty bad post. We're in A3 because Cyan flipped Doc. This seems to be indicative of osuka's low effort play.

i was drunk and i'm not going to blindly trust your cop claim. you're not confirmed until you flip

[osuka]

OH YEAH one more thing that I didn't really touch on much last night that Sera brought up: why the hell did Cyrus want to put a lynch through so badly while we were waiting on a replacement? I won't attribute that to newb!cyrus. He should know better by now.

so what

do

you attribute that to? in general, being overly lynch happy comes from scum - but town never benefits from d1 NL. which way are you leaning here?

[osuka]

this is why i was so pisst off off yesterday about both prs being outed now lich may as well just be town but then again it is easy to say your cop as scum maybe the real pr is still hideing still
but i will trust for another day. regardless.

We can't trust for another day. We have to figure out if he is the real PR or not TODAY. Because if he is telling the truth then he dies tonight.

does he really, though? if his cop claim is true, then the setup really does have a roleblocker. Which means that mafia can just keep him blocked, and there is no way for anyone to ever know whether we're in A3 or C1

[osuka]

if your cop claim is really true, that means there is a 50% chance of a mafia roleblocker

Where are you getting this number? I believe if he is telling the truth then we have to be playing A3 in which case these

IS

a mafia roleblocker.

out of my ass, evidently. I couldn't tell you because I got pretty drunk last night at a concert and don't really recall the thought process behind it. my bad

[osuka]

OH YEAH one more thing that I didn't really touch on much last night that Sera brought up: why the hell did Cyrus want to put a lynch through so badly while we were waiting on a replacement? I won't attribute that to newb!cyrus. He should know better by now.

so what

do

you attribute that to? in general, being overly lynch happy comes from scum - but town never benefits from d1 NL. which way are you leaning here?

We weren't close to the timer. We had 1 waiting replacement, and maybe even 2 waiting replacement when he started pushing a lynch. With 2 or 3 other players lurking. So There was very little encouragement for activity, 1-2 players awaiting replacement (I will check this for sure in a bit) and we had plenty of time yet he wanted to lynch someone. Scumreading that behavior.

fair - but wouldn't you say that him pushing for a lynch isn't actually pro-town? We did end up with a no-lynch, so anything short of lynching a claimed pr probably would've been better

[osuka]

@Mod may we have the timer disabled while we wait for a replacement for Sera? She has been gone for like 11 days and we have had so many people missing. I think the game is negatively impacted by it.

@mod: seconded

Done

[osuka]

this is why i was so pisst off off yesterday about both prs being outed now lich may as well just be town but then again it is easy to say your cop as scum maybe the real pr is still hideing still
but i will trust for another day. regardless.

We can't trust for another day. We have to figure out if he is the real PR or not TODAY. Because if he is telling the truth then he dies tonight.

does he really, though? if his cop claim is true, then the setup really does have a roleblocker. Which means that mafia can just keep him blocked, and there is no way for anyone to ever know whether we're in A3 or C1

We lynch the roleblocker and the cop is a threat again. Even moreso due to poe. I didn't wanna spell it out like this but at least one pr, probably 2 have already spelled out their roles on day one so I'm not trying to win the old fashioned way anymore. Gonna take some brute force to win this if Temp isn't lying.

entertain, for a second, the thought that the roleblocker might actually be in a somewhat comfortable position regarding being lynched. If scum feels like the RBer is in no danger, what is their incentive to kill lich?

[osuka]

Either I'm confused or you meant to say "is pro town"

yes, i did mean that. sorry about the double negative

[osuka]

(this is all assuming lich is telling the truth ofc) It doesn't matter if the MRB does or does not feel comfortable right now. It only matters that he is currently alive. The moment the MRB gets lynched I say they NK Lich. Until then they need to keep him around to continue distracting the town with his scummy plays. They're probably hoping we just lynch him anyway as this town is having trouble forming a wagon and Lich is somewhat of an easy lynch target.

well the moment a roleblocker dies, not only is lich free to do whatever he wants - he's also pretty much confirmed, since a rb flip puts us in the setup with a cop

I don't think scum is banking on having lich lynched though. that's a bit far-fetched

[osuka]

@mod: currently out of town for a job interview on monday. expect to be able to catch up a bit better on tuesday

[osuka]

@mod: currently out of town for a job interview on monday. expect to be able to catch up a bit better on tuesday

i'm stupid and forgot to mention that this is VLA, in case it's not clear

[osuka]

He doesn't want to lynch Temporal. Sure this is NAI as scum would obviously not want to try and obviously lynch a PR, especially when they can role block them. But this also tells me that there's very little likelihood of him being the PR.

what? are you saying that wheme is not scum pr, or that lich is not town pr?

[osuka]

VOTE: WhemeStar

Time to put my vote where it matters.

Good case cyrus

good case? what case?

[osuka]

I'm the only one pursuing him and everyone had him off the hook in D1 too

I still think he's town; he's been spewing his thoughts all over the place and I think, especially in the newbie queue, it takes really bold scum to do that.
Sure, some of his logic has been out of whack but that doesn't necessarily mean he's scum; he's never pushed it far.

that's not true, posting your thoughts as they come is a playstyle and is largely NAI - take it from someone who does exactly that. I do think it is a bit more difficult to make it seem genuine as scum, but that doesn't mean i haven't done it plenty of times on here and that other people haven't as well

i think your reasoning here is very flawed

[osuka]

VOTE: Cyrus

wow ok that was random and spicy whats your case or reason

I’m dumb I thought you voted me

UNVOTE:

what

this is a really weird post from an otherwise reasonably towny slot

[osuka]

What is even Wheme's case on me? So I'm just a random vote? I have been narrowing down the scum team suspects and the only scum team players I could think of at the moment would be

Wheme/Sera
Spangled/Osuka - On day 1 everyone was scum reading Robb except for Spangled, Cyrus, and me. The interaction between Cyrus and Robb doesn't look like a scum buddy and the only person I could think of who could be Robb/Osuka's scum buddy would be Spangled.


On day 1 I was suspicious of Red/Thespio's play and it looked like I saw a Sera/Red scum team and on day 2 I missed the message eth0s subbing in for Thespio. Sera hasn't been online for 11 days and we know for sure she did not do the killing, eth0s subbed in day 2 and he hasn't caught up at the time and he wouldn't even know who to kill if he was scum.

I'm not liking Wheme's play and he says if I flip scum, he will look at Cyrus. I can't be scum buddies with Cyrus because on day 1 I scum read Cyan Talon at the time and Cyrus responded back to me with a defensive post because he thought I was scum reading him and he got his name mixed up with Cyan Talon and then he responded back to me and said he misunderstood me and in another post of his I did not like he said this to me, "Adorable, you do know if Robb flips scum that will make you look bad."

why do you think i could only be scum with spangled?

why do you think sera and red would be together in a scum team?

[osuka]

welcome to the game nips

[osuka]

VOTE: Cyrus

wow ok that was random and spicy whats your case or reason

I’m dumb I thought you voted me

UNVOTE:

what

this is a really weird post from an otherwise reasonably towny slot

Why’s that

there's more than one statement in that post. what's "that"?

[osuka]

On day 1 most of the players were scum reading you and they voted you. I didn't think scum would join a bandwagon on their scum buddy on day 1. Spangled, Cyrus, and I were the only ones who did not scum read/vote you. The interaction between Robb and Cyrus did not look like a scum team which leaves Spangled left.

i think you're too quick to draw association reads

i don't think this slot was ever in danger of being lynched, so in a world where I am scum, anyone in that train could have been my partner. If we were talking about lich, then that becomes a bit different (since you could reasonably conclude that he was in real danger of being lynched before claiming cop)

[osuka]

On day 1 most of the players were scum reading you and they voted you. I didn't think scum would join a bandwagon on their scum buddy on day 1. Spangled, Cyrus, and I were the only ones who did not scum read/vote you. The interaction between Robb and Cyrus did not look like a scum team which leaves Spangled left.

i think you're too quick to draw association reads

i don't think this slot was ever in danger of being lynched, so in a world where I am scum, anyone in that train could have been my partner. If we were talking about lich, then that becomes a bit different (since you could reasonably conclude that he was in real danger of being lynched before claiming cop)

Wasn’t Robb run up to at least L-3?
Pretty sure he was definitely in danger of being lynched at some point, IIRC.

L-3 in a newbie d1 means you have two votes on you. That's completely meaningless

[osuka]

VOTE: Cyrus

wow ok that was random and spicy whats your case or reason

I’m dumb I thought you voted me

UNVOTE:

what

this is a really weird post from an otherwise reasonably towny slot

Why’s that

there's more than one statement in that post. what's "that"?

Why is my post weird

the way you omgus'd that slot and then backpedaled hard after you realized something was off was just really off-character for you so far in this thread

[osuka]

two mis lyches away from loseing so im trying to only look out for others

you seem to have this uncanny ability to tell who's town

almost as if you're in some sort of informed minority or something

[osuka]

cyrus, what is your lynchpool at the moment?

oshiak /rob spangled who was able to find both prs on day 1 entohs who seems more willing to lynch town then to scum hunt that's it.

lol what

let me remind you that you were the one to first bring up lich being a pr (483, 502), and the second (956) to mention cyan being pr, after thespio (935)

[osuka]

The same thing can be said about Wheme.

#788 Town reads Spangled, Osuka, Temp, me
#802 Says if he's wrong about Cyan on day 1 he will look at Cyrus on day 2
#1191 Responds to Cyrus post and says he doesn't see scum making this post
#1197 Says if I flip scum he will look at Spangled or Cyrus
#1247 Says Spangled is town
#1316 Says he thinks Cyrus is town

I don't understand what Wheme is doing here and he is also voting without even providing a reason which is very frowned upon.

this is a bad post

cyrus did a fair bit of flip flopping, but these reads wheme has expressed over the posts you mentioned definitely look genuine and organic. you're getting caught up on associatives again

[osuka]

yeah, wheme is the obvious lynch of today

excuse me what

[osuka]

yeah, wheme is the obvious lynch of today

excuse me what

Judging from the ISO, I can say low effort, the votes in 1225, 1227, and 1228 don't have an organic progression, 806 is transparently scummy, and 796 is pure OMGUS

I've addressed 1225-1228 before and the posts are weird, but not weird enough that i'm willing to overlook the fact that the slot is otherwise very towny

both 806 and 796 are stupid posts to look into

[osuka]

Lich read adorbales last couple posts and tell me you think that’s town

honestly i'm getting around to this

the longer this game goes on, the more i think adorable is scum

[osuka]

I thought 1366 was a pure wolfy response...

If it's a misrep, I can't see it being a towny misrep

of all things to get irked about in cyrus' game so far, you choose

that

?

[osuka]

How are you supposed to be PR

that's the million dollar question, isn't it? If someone as much as thinks about counterclaiming, im gonna be the first to jump on that lich flashtrain

[osuka]

the only 3 people that should be on the lynch table today are cyrus, temporal, and me

and yourself? I agree with cyrus and lich being in my lynch pool for today, but why do you include yourself in yours?

[osuka]

Lich why do you constantly flip flop so hard and can't make up your mind about what is a good case and what isn't? you were just advocating on a spangled lynch because you said cyrus' case was good and now you say it isn't good. How are you supposed to be PR

just because I have a reason to believe cyrus is scum now doesn't meant you get to call a claimed cop scum for flip flopping

i want to make very clear that if you're actually a cop, you've done probably the worst job i've ever seen an SE do at playing a game of mafia as a member of the town

[osuka]

the only 3 people that should be on the lynch table today are cyrus, temporal, and me

and yourself? I agree with cyrus and lich being in my lynch pool for today, but why do you include yourself in yours?

Aye - eth0s, I can't see you being lynched ever. You are the towniest non-flaked person so far (Sera and Robb being townier, of course, but they're gone).

okay can we stop talking about people who aren't in the game anymore? discussing players who have subbed out is largely useless since:
1. the current players can't really comment on reasoning or reads, since we can't read fucking minds,
2. it doesn't generate good content, and most importantly
3. it doesn't enable other players to generate good content

this shit right here is why the game is stalled

[osuka]

Lich why do you constantly flip flop so hard and can't make up your mind about what is a good case and what isn't? you were just advocating on a spangled lynch because you said cyrus' case was good and now you say it isn't good. How are you supposed to be PR

just because I have a reason to believe cyrus is scum now doesn't meant you get to call a claimed cop scum for flip flopping

i want to make very clear that if you're actually a cop, you've done probably the worst job i've ever seen an SE do at playing a game of mafia as a member of the town

No need to make it personal osuka.

it's not personal, it's how i feel about this game. the fact that, when i look at this player list, the person i want to lynch the most is the claimed cop, should tell you a lot about how this game's going

[osuka]

1207 says to me if cyrus is scum I'd look at Adorable, if only for associative reasons.

My point being in 1377 that cyrus hasn't pushed anyone this entire game for any good reason.
Ergo, by his reasoning (which seems to be that pushing is scummy), he's null-town.

cyrus thinks you were rolefishing, or "pushing for a pr" as he says in 499.

pedit: The case was held up very poorly anyway, the post about speaking the truth is what make it come crashing down

pedit 2: osuka claimed scum everyone

VOTE: osuka

if there's a trophy for stupidest post in thread, you just got it

doubt this can be topped

[osuka]

is it really that easy to get you tilted? this is sad

both people who subbed in the game and caught up with the thread actually had you figured for the scummiest player in the game before we saw your cop claim. doesn't that tell you anything?

[osuka]

is it really that easy to get you tilted? this is sad

both people who subbed in the game and caught up with the thread actually had you figured for the scummiest player in the game before we saw your cop claim. doesn't that tell you anything?

they missed my cop claim so thought I was a scumlord

i was typing a question in here when i realized we've actually had this exact conversation already

let me go find it

[osuka]

lol what the fuck
are you actively trying to look scummy, lich? this is quickly reaching levels beyond human comprehension

you've dug a hold so deep that i'm actually really considering voteparking you

why would I be openwolfing?

that's my question to you

I wouldn't openwolf on D1, I'd surely be lynched

and wasn't that exactly what was about to happen before you claimed pr?

[osuka]

honestly temp what are you talking about? I didn't miss your claim at all and I still want you lynched. How isn't that a scumclaim for me? your inconsistency is baffling and I don't want to go to mylo with you no matter what your role is. So I am very close to pushing you as my top lynch at this point

This post confruses me.

You're actually asking me to give reasons why you didn't scumclaim, when you shot down the possibility of you thinking I'm a scum fakeclaimer by admitting you want to policy lynch me?

that's not a policy lynch, it's a "i don't want to be in mylo with this player because if that's the case i will lose" lynch

[osuka]

that's not a policy lynch, it's a "i don't want to be in mylo with this player because if that's the case i will lose" lynch

that's what a policy lynch is, osuka

no it isn't

a policy lynch, in your case, is "i want to lynch a player i believe is probably a cop because he's acting blatantly scummy and actively derailing anything the town tries to do in this game" lynch

[osuka]

holy heck I might have mixed up osuka and eth0s

this means they're both town

VOTE: WhemeStar

Still think Spangled could be scum trying to pocket eth0s, but eh

excuse me what

[osuka]

I refuse to believe this is serious

There is a universe in which you’re not trolling this game and all of us, but it’s definitely not this one

[osuka]

we need to not be a fractured town

Coming from you that’s really funny

[osuka]

VOTE: whem takeing liches word i hope your right

okay why would you take lich's word for anything at this point

[osuka]

I'm still going to leave my vote on Wheme and he's not providing any reason to his votes. I have been scum hunting since day 1-day 2 and providing my thoughts. I get the feeling scum will try to redirect the lynch to me. Either that or they are focusing on Cyrus who looks like an easy lynch target for scum and I can't think of anyone here who could be his scum buddy or unless scum are bussing him if he really is scum.

to be fair here though, you aren't really being transparent with your reads are you? A lot of what you posted feels very fabricated

[osuka]

I'm still going to leave my vote on Wheme and he's not providing any reason to his votes. I have been scum hunting since day 1-day 2 and providing my thoughts. I get the feeling scum will try to redirect the lynch to me. Either that or they are focusing on Cyrus who looks like an easy lynch target for scum and I can't think of anyone here who could be his scum buddy or unless scum are bussing him if he really is scum.

on second thought: let's assume cyrus is scum. you say you can't think who his scumbuddy would be unless they he is being bussed.

in this case, who's bussing him?

pedit: at this point absolutely not. i'm not lynching wheme unless it comes down to the wire

[osuka]

@mod: can we get a VC with a timer please

i have to admit i have no clue how long we have in the day

[osuka]

oh fuck okay i thought we had at least 4 days

[osuka]

i would rather lynch cyrus in all honesty, but i suppose i'm willing to compromise on wheme if that's what it takes for us to not have a no lynch again

[osuka]

So what am I to you? & why? Just so I have it clear

why are you so worried about knowing how people feel about your alignment

[osuka]

nice hammer adorable

if cyrus flips green adorable should be the very first lynch tomorrow

[osuka]

though i suppose you can only have one lynch a day so that was extraordinarily stupidly phrased

[osuka]

Spangled, do you feel like Osuka is pocketing me?

let's suppose pocketing you has been my intention - you've shown awareness of that possibility for quite a while now. If I were scum, why would I continue trying if you're wary of it? wouldn't it be better for me to try and distance yourself from the notion that i'm pocketing you?

[osuka]

it's always interesting to wake up to a lynch. that train happened really quickly

if cyrus flips green, i'll be looking at lich and spangled

[osuka]

if he flips green, i'm deathtunneling adorable for that lolhammer. I would also be particularly suspicious of lich, since he pushed cyrus so hard

if he flips red, i'll be looking at spangled. I'll probably iso wheme as well if this is the case

[osuka]

spangled i responed to your message in pt why havent you answerd yet

if he flips red, i'll be looking at spangled.

1534 should convince you that that isn’t the case; it is a blatant attempt to throw shade at me that no scum would do to their partner. Scum don’t pay out their partners after they’ve been hammered.

wifom

I don’t see most other people being scumbuddies with Cyrus

[osuka]

the fact cyrus seems to post his feelings would be too much to ignore if cyrus flips red and adorable gets NKed

That is crap as logic goes.
I am helping the thread, so scum are trying a last hurrah to throw shade at me to get me lynched tomorrow.

lamist

[osuka]

Spangled and I are confirmed town, temporal is confirmed town until a CC.

It's almost certainly Osuka, but it could be adorable and there's a slight possibility of it being Adorable.

I'm really glad scum killed flippynips because he was dead null to me and didn't even want to catch up. I actually 99% anticipated to die last night. I should've been shot if scum wanted to win tbh

excuse me but how are spangled and you confirmed? I fail to see any resemblance of logic here

[osuka]

Weird nightkill

Adorbale is prob town I was prob wrong

It was a very weird nightkill. I cannot work out who would have thought it was of advantage to them.

emperor didn't have much content so it really probably just was the fact that there arent any really useful associatives to be drawn from that, at least immediately

what i don't understand is how the fact that ethos is alive makes me scum (which i presume is the thought process there)

[osuka]

not to mention the fact that 1557-8 rub me the wrong way. there is no meaningful content there and that's a complete 180 from the townread you had on this slot d2

i liked wheme for town but this is fucking weird

[osuka]

Weird nightkill

Adorbale is prob town I was prob wrong

It was a very weird nightkill. I cannot work out who would have thought it was of advantage to them.

emperor didn't have much content so it really probably just was the fact that there arent any really useful associatives to be drawn from that, at least immediately

But Sera did have a fair bit of content.
Did scum just forget that?

i think i've already said this somewhere in this game, but it's pointless to ask a player who replaced in about anything their slot did before they were in the game. The only thing that the original player and the player replacing in have in common (in terms of common knowledge) is the role pm. People can't read minds, and because of that it is really hard to justify asking emperor questions about whatever sera did and expecting and intelligent response.

[osuka]

I don’t know if I’m confident enough in scum!osuka to take us to MyLo.

what? I don't get what you're saying here

in any case, a green flip on today's lynch isn't great but it isn't the end of the world here - but if that's your argument to lynch me, then that's a pretty shit one because that applies to literally every slot in the game right now

[osuka]

Last remaining scum is either Osuka or Wheme.

On day 1 when Robb had 4 votes, I did not like it when Cyrus said this to me. "Adorable, you do know if Robb flips scum that will make you look bad." That also looked like if Robb/Osuka did flip scum, Cyrus would make me look bad and he town reads Robb/Osuka on day 1. Day 2 comes and then he conveniently scum reads Osuka and votes him and why did Cyrus not vote him on day 1? I also start to wonder if he voted Osuka for town cred. On day 2 Osuka said he would look at Spangled or Temp if Cyrus flips mafia and they are still alive. I also did not like it when Osuka said my reads looked fabricated and that looked like scum throwing shade on me.

On day 1 Phone claimed Cop and it looked like he wanted to get a reaction from the real Cop. On day 1 Wheme said he would look at Cyrus if Cyan is town but on day 2 he goes after me instead of Cyrus and his tunneling was scummy and he kept saying I am scum without providing any reasoning. Cyrus said he thinks Wheme is town and he didn't want to vote Wheme earlier and then later on in day 2 he voted Wheme. Wheme also said Temp agreed with my case on Wheme and Temp did not agree with me, it was Cyrus case Temp agreed with and he was one of the players who did not vote Cyrus when he got lynched.

If you guys are feeling really confident Osuka will flip mafia, I guess we could vote him and see.

I don’t like the tone of this post. Not really sure why.
But it makes some good points. Gah.

no, it doesn't

she's saying that what cyrus told her d1 about my slot was a slip, but that's wifom. Didn't he tell

you

to go check the private thread right after the hammer?

Literally anything that the red slot did should be taken with a pinch of salt, because anything that could've been a mistake also could've been intentional, and thus wifom ensues. There's as much credibility to saying this slot is scum because he said that, as there is to saying this slot is town because he did so (i.e., that he's trying to frame a slot). Same goes for what he told you in thread during twilight.

the one good point raised there is that phone's cop claim still strikes me as very weird. That happened very early on with no apparent reason and no obvious intention, though that might have just been the case because people didn't seem to raise a fuss about it back when it happened. i dont know what to make of that

[osuka]

I tried skimming through cyrus's iso and I think wheme could be an associative maybe

please explain

[osuka]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

this is stupid

suppose im scum. killing you is "bad" because you said something about me pocketing you. hence, if you die that must mean im scum
not killing you is "bad" because we find ourselves in the current situation. Do you see how in your universe, there's no right choice for scum osuka? This is a horseshit argument because the inverse of it works, which means that none of it really should work at all

[osuka]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

Because he was keeping quiet, maybe?
I have no idea.

...Although if Temp wasn’t a PR, surely he’d be scum right eth0s?

this is also stupid

there is a universe in which lich is scum and scum thought floppy was town pr, but it is definitely not this one

pedit:
you basically proved what? your push is pretty bad, ngl
spangled's vote could very well have been distancing
wheme hasn't been playing a particularly low effort game

most of the shit you've thrown at the wall is constructed to make it sound like you have a case, when in fact you have an assortment of things that have happened that aren't particularly alignment indicative for anyone in the game

pedit 2:
1658 doesnt come from town
VOTE: eth0s

[osuka]

If he isn’t cop that means he’s scum

exactly..... you are answering your own question as to why osuka could possibly see emporer as scum.

btw Osuka would have shot me if he could've gotten away with it, would have shot spangled if the wifom situation that cyrus and osuka created wouldn't have likely come back to bite osuka, would never shoot adorable because she is too inconsistent and lurky, would never shoot temporal because town!him is the scummiest town player I have ever seen, and rb!osuka can just rb him and leave his chaotic flipping in the game until lylo, would never shoot wheme because you make zero effort and are easy to manipulate.

Yep.
It actually all fits.
VOTE: osuka

do you realize youve just been pocketed

[osuka]

oh wow this went sideways really quickly didnt it

please explain to me how being in mylo after a 4-hour day 3 puts town in a good position with a vt flip from my slot

[osuka]

because at this point, you're looking at lich being pretty much confirmed, and then you've got:

- ethos, who basically spearheaded a flashtrain based on the fact that he's alive so i must be scum;
- spangled, which has been hardpocketed by ethos;
- wheme, which disagrees with ethos but seems to be fine with lynching me anyway, just because, and
- adorable, which mostly just goes with the flow of the game and ends up not really pushing anyone (and just joining existing wagons, for better or worse).

what do you do d4? because ethos will continue spewing that bullshit about him and spangled being conftown. Of which by the way, i still cant wrap my head around how he actually seemed to convince some of you guys

[osuka]

The way cyrus played this game and that post he made to adorable about if your slot flips scum it makes adorable look bad... its probably you.

cyrus has been saying shit like that for the entirety of the game. how come that's a hot lead if everyone's ignoring the fact that he told spangled to check a PT in twilight? how are the two different?

pedit
i think you can be scumpartners with cyrus. none of what either of you did comes exclusively from town on either side of it. I don't think there's any point to be made there that the two of you cannot be scum together, because all of it could've been deliberately done without much effort or exposure required on either part

[osuka]

this is really stupid

how have i misrepped 1112? And why are we talking about your case on cyrus if you're talking about lynching me? Your views have differed from spangled's and yet right now they do not even in the slightest.

if i was scum and really wanted to pocket you, i wouldve done so a lot more elegantly than you seem to suggest i did. I'm not stupid and i know alarm bells go off when someone agrees with you on everything - i actually just happened to have the same reads as you did (or the same reads as you said you did)

[osuka]

oh oops

was that a hammer