Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[eth0s]

Hey all. I haven't read

anything

in this thread yet except for the initial modposts. I will be busy for a bit today and then I'll try to get caught up while posting some notes on everything I see that interests me. I may not be fully caught up tonight but I will post as far as I get.

[eth0s]

Short intro: I haven't played a game on this site, or mafia in general in over a year (unless you count ToS, which I play occasionally) so I may be a bit rusty. I may forget some terminology, strategy, meta, etc. But that should be fine as this is the newbie queue .

In the interest of transparency I will admit that I have some bias when it comes to replaced slots. I usually feel as though replaced slots have a higher chance of being VT and non replaced slots have a higher chance of being scum or PR. It's not like I will hold this bias over evidence and reads that I gather, but it could influence my early reads or my thoughts on quiet players.

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Hello! I'm your resident SE!

What's your experience with Mafia?

Other than ToS my only experience is on this site from about 19 to 13 months ago. I probably played over 10 games in that span. I think I was playing like 3 games simultaneously at once .

VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

this feels kinda like a taunt to me

VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

Depends on you, buddy.

townpings from this response

why would i give reads on the 1st page when theres still people not yet to post dont be so hasty let others post then i can give reads.

why so defensive?

but I need an RVS vote.

Why do you think this?

encourages activity or something or other

yup

if you are town, you just fucked up cause I am not un-voting you until you are dead.

hard scrumread or this guy just thinks with emotion over everything... the latter is a very undesirable trait in this game imo.

It's the first time we are playing together. You caused me to have to replace out.

I don't think you as town would do this. I could see the ploy with you as scum, so that is why i am not removing my vote.

So robb doesn't care if teacher is scum or not but going to vote him no matter what? But now claims that it's a scumread? hmmm....

I claim cop. My n0 redcheck is on somebody called phone..? Lets wagon him. How can I vote them?

You can vote using vote tags:

Code: Select all

[vote]put the player's name here[/vote]

Also I think you just claimed scum...

VOTE: Phone0Ix

why did you vote your self

ok wtf just happened there?

page 3 conclusion this robbnva guy is a very angry person

VOTE: Robbnva

The selfvote was RvS btw if that wasnt clear, I earlier said I had a redcheck on myself and wanted to know how to vote remember?

But Robb's reaction to RvS is a big overreact

what does he mean by red check? I do not understand.

phone jumped off robs wagon when he heard it was l1 this shows town not wanting to get a lynch to fast

eh, or scum not wanting to seem too aggressive early on.

Scum teacher definitely doesn't vote you, though - he'd know it would get him lynched.

Explain this. How would teacher voting me get him lynched?

Town teacher wouldn’t purposely create chaos. Scum teacher would. People would give teacher benefit of the doubt thinking scum wouldn’t be so bold. The thing is teacher knows I love to fight. I love to argue.

Scum teacher knows to make that happen and hopefully gets written off as tvt or what you just did, scum teacher wouldn’t do it.

Here’s my issue. FACT. That was not an attempt as humor. Nothing about that post implies humor.

This means that he carried a grudge into this game, which is against site rules.

So I don’t give a crap if he’s town or scum. I don’t give a crap if I’m lynched I the process. I’m not tattling to the mod especially since he replaced out, so I’m just lynching the spot and eliminate the ambiguity. If you or anyone else wants to lynch me for this go right ahead but I’m not changing my vote until that slot is gone.

Huh? The only one I really saw holding a grudge was robbnva.

see why I have trouble seeing why you are town? You don't even try to explain yourself.

What is wolfy about calling out a bizarre 180?

whether you want to admit it or not, dropping a scum read on somebody without any explanation at all, especially when momentum seems to be shifting away from that person is scummy.

this post and his last couple before this finally gave me hope that he might not be as unpleasant to play with as I originally thought... oh but still not townreading him..

Too many players have been focusing on Robbnva and the only players who haven't been focusing on him are Spangled, Cyan, Cyrus, and me. A player who is getting focused by multiple players I tend to think that player could be town. If you guys think Robbnva is scum, then that would mean either Spangled or Cyan would be his scum buddy. The interaction between Robbnva and Cyrus doesn't look like a scum pair. I think Robbnva could be town since so many players have been focusing on him.

@cyan and spangled your thoughts on this post please?

I actually haven't been paying attention to Robbnva, now that I think about it. Sorry about that.

Anyway, I find this slot moldy suspicious. For one, he's definitely on tunnel vision mode. I really don't see why a bad play history and an RVS vote are solid reasons for a lynch, and the way he tries to force someone to 'slip' makes no sense.

Keep the wording in this post in mind;

lol just give up and claim scum already

You're just trying to get me to prematurely claim.

It makes no sense for me to claim when it is D1 and

nobody has voted me yet.

Never in this post did he allude to the notion that he would be claiming scum. This isn't a definitive scumslip, and Robbnva should know that by now.

yeah this is pretty much why i won't townread him. I know he is just trying to gauge reactions at this point in the game but mercilessly trying to make someone look like they claaimed scum when they obviously didn't is not a good look.

Robb, do you have a scumgame we could see (just in case)?

Only one that comes to mind is the one that just ended. I replaced out. Unfortunately I forgot I was scum so not really a good basis but I am capable of playing an emotional game as scum. So all you’ll learn is the way I’m playing is NaI

9 years of playing on this site and only one game "comes to mind"? Is he just banking on no one else combing through his post history?

Like ignoring my anger towards teacher and phone which are legitimate, the stuff I posted about why temoral is scum is probably the best reason anyone has given this far.

His “360” nonsense and his refusal to explain himself are hands down the scummiest things I’ve seen

yep i actually agree with this. TvS i think. Even though i find both of them at least somewhat scummy.. I'm wrong about one of them.

Seriously town deserves to lose.

if this is ever town I will be shocked

I don't think scum!Robb is this aggressive or in-your-face.

You don't think so? Have you ever read one of his scum games?

gonna shift my vote because I'm thinking TL/Robb is TvT and because of 243 maybe.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Reading his ISO, 177's read on cyrus doesn't feel genuine and the rest feels lukewarm. Mulling between this and RedFlavor (entire ISO is lukewarm at best) tbh.

ew. bad post. This is my top scumread at this point. robb/phone being tied for #2

What would having him 'on the hook' achieve?
Again, if you think he's scum, wait until he slips up properly.
Don't complain about his bad etiquette; ask him (or others) pointed and game-advancing questions, and don't just blindly insist he's scum.

I like this guy's posts. He is so chill, like a mediator. Idk if it's great reasoning but his ability to try and reason with someone that cant be reasoned with shows me he really wants people to think and gives me a townping.

Robb vs Temporal looked like it was town vs town.

This is what? Like the 3rd person to say this? Why? No one is really giving reasoning. Temporal is playing reactionary mafia and everyone but robb is letting him get away with it. They both vote each other and try to make a great case that the other one is scum. IMO this is because one of them is scum and the more they can convince town to vote with them, less likely town will scumread them on the townflip. that's my two cents on the fight so far.

And FL is totally ignoring this game; he's playing his others but not this.
I wonder if he's lurking, or if he's just forgotten it exists.

I know this blames me but true and the fact that you were paying attention to this shows you ar etown

wat

connorcompton
Cyan Talon
TemporalLich (SE)
Robbnva (SE)

I think scumteam is between these people and i think temporal is most likeliest mafia here, least likeliest probably alpha m

agreed except i find red scummier than connor and cyan at this point. But connor DEFINITELY needs to talk more or that will likely change. cyan the least likely scum i see in this. oh and phone would be scummier than cyan on my list.

I dont make cases kido

So PoE. Fair enough.

I am seeing scum!Temporal, kind of.
245 in particular, with it's ultra-opportunistic switch from Robb after I finished making a decent argument. I've known the feeling he might have been feeling as scum; wanting to get out of an argument because you know you're losing, and doing it in the way that saves the most face. Aye, I'd accept a Temporal lynch, but I want D1 to take as long as it can before we settle on any kind of lynch candidate.

Also, I want connor and Phone's slots talking.

this guy is so town

Sera Masumi's intro post #429 was great. And had a few shared opinions with myself that noe one else had brought up yet, like "I have no idea what Temporal is doing with his reads this game, they feel all over the place to me and honestly he's probably my best candidate outside cyrus. I'm really not getting the Town v. Town Robb-Temp reads here and would like somebody to explain it to me like I'm 5."
I hope Sera stays this active as the game was getting stale before this post and I'm hoping this gives it the breath of life it needs... My main qualm though is that she doesn't really give great reason for her views on Spangled, and they don't align with mine. And the cyrus scumread seems a little forced.

@Cyrus #430 what does your post count matter? You are a self-proclaimed spammer if I remember correctly. Yes you're active but you also contribute less to discussion than some of the others do.

but I strongly disagree cyrus could be scum.

Echoing this thought right here.

So you still townreading TL at this point?

seeing it as it is yes it can be either of the two . however i did not like the fact that the thread got held by these two. i already sorted every one i could and came back to phone and connar

But connor was getting replaced after making one post all game? The game was holding up because he quit the game and they needed to find someone else. Turns out Phone was basically the same way. Why is that suspicious to the point that you'd shade somebody getting replaced with one post that you didn't seem to find particularly suspicious instead of poking at other players?

Actually can we cut to the chase and have you explain why you thought arguing to lynch somebody being replaced before their replacement entered was a good idea?

i dont see how spangled could be anything but town hes looking for scum and doing reads

Scum can pretend to do those things though? Phone gave reads. I gave reads. Everyone in the game has given reads at one point or another. What about Spangled's hunting feels genuine to you?

Everyone has given reads? I think maybe half of the game has.

@Sera
I'd take a TL lynch as a compromise, but not a cyrus one. No way. To me he is towning it all the way up this game, and displays good reasoning and town-thinking in so many places.

no, spangled. Cyrus isn't towning it all the way up, you are. I don't get why everyone loves what cyrus says so much when usually it doesn't have much substance. Confused.

Looking back, I like posts like 157 and 136 and 137 and 127 a fair bit.
I do feel a little less confident in my cyrus read, having reread his ISO, but he's till fairly town for me.

good

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And that's it for tonight folks. I probably didn't even pay quite enough attention on the last few pages (16-18 or so) because I am growing quite tired but I did really like Sera's notes and agreed with just about all of it. I do really want to say that it's refreshing to see someone that agrees with so many of my opinions, but hard to say how much of that I should attribute to a TR vs the advantage we have of being able to catch up quickly instead of the slow game the rest of you were subjected to.

Again, I have still only read through page 18, so everything I have said up to this point has been based entirely off of those pages. However, here is what my reads list looks like as of the end of page 18:

[Town]

Spangled (hard TR)

*covered in my recap above really.

Sera (TR)

*strong catch up into the game that shares some of my own views.

Adorable (town lean)

*eh i need more info because this slot could still be null if I looked at the ISO I bet.

Robbnva (slight town lean)

*idk I dont have a strong case for this one. Think him vs Temporal was TvS though so that's my main reason to want to trust him.

Cyan (null)

*need more info

Cyrus (slight scum lean)

*too much of what I perceive to be talking to look useful, not be useful.

Phone0Ix (SR)

*need more info. why was he trolling if town though?

TemporalLich (SR)

*Town!Temporal should know better than to have played only in reactions. Especially as an SR. I also perceive a decent bit of his dialogue as trying to look like he is saying more than he is. Sorta like cyrus but not quite the same. I need to sleep on it and maybe I can explain what I mean better tomorrow.
[Scum]

If I don't have to stay late at work, I should be caught up fully by tomorrow night. If I do have to stay late, hopefully I will at least get to page 30 tomorrow.

P.S. I actually forgot that I took the role of one of the players above until now (lol) so to be honest I was going to null read RedFlavor because I need more info but since I have his slot, I have to say I don't agree with the way he was playing. Oh well.

[eth0s]

disclaimer: still haven't read anything past page 18

I made some logic errors in my post 1040 obviously I was originally suspicious of my own slot (lol) but it didn't even occur to me until now that I have teacher's original spot. This gives me the benefit of knowing that Robb was wrong about him being scum and adds to my suspicion of robb (or osuka I guess since he apparently subbed that slot). If Robb is a known tunneler, and is going to to have such a wrong read on someone he claims to know well, say he won't back down, and then backs down, that looks really bad to me (esp knowing teacher's role now). So I still perceive the Temporal & Robb as TvS, and I still think that Temporal is more likely scum, but if he isn't then Osuka must be. At least that's what I see so far.

I actually would view that as SvS if I didn't think that Robb would know better than to destroy Temporal's image like that, but I think Robb genuinely expected Temporal to get lynched day one. I would also like to note that I find it even more suspicious now that Robb only has one scum game "come to mind" and it's one he replaced out in and "forgot he was scum". He is banking on newbs not digging any further.

Anyways I'm going to continue my catchup now. To page 19 I go!

[eth0s]

OH YEAH one more thing that I didn't really touch on much last night that Sera brought up: why the hell did Cyrus want to put a lynch through so badly while we were waiting on a replacement? I won't attribute that to newb!cyrus. He should know better by now.

page 19-30

I like your analysis of Robb; it echoes my thoughts by and large. You also considered something else no one had considered; the genuineness of his posts and tone.
I don't like that I'm mentioned only once (as making a decent case on Temporal), but still pushed up to a TR. Why else do you think I'm town?
You make an excellent case for scum!Temporal; I'm going to sheep you on this. I've been putting off reading his ISO for a while. I think I was subconsciously clinging to wanting to be the mediator between him and Robb... but I think I'm done with that now.
VOTE: TemporalLich

You do suggest me, Adorable, Cyrus or Cyan as potential candidates for being Temporal's scumpartner because we publicly supported him. I'm inclined to think that scumpartners tend not to do that so as to not draw attention to themselves.

@Temporal, as this I believe is L-1, could you towncase yourself for us please, and then perhaps claim?

Haha he even calls himself a mediator now too, and I agree with this post in every aspect. If the prior events in the game have anything to say about the future events, Temporal is going to start scumreading Spangled for this.

Next post 451 by Sera is amazing as well. Sera and Spangled are town. Definitely.

#453 by Cyan feels very genuine and gives me townpings. I noticed today that he already died and flipped doctor, sadly.. So I guess this doesn't mean much now but he also started coming around to the Scum!Temporal idea and now he is dead so hmm...

Just saw I got to L-1 and then instead of being put in the tent I'm taken off L-1. I'm not claiming yet.

YIKES. You know there is intent against you. You know the implications of that. Stop trying to play dumb. Make a case for yourself.

Just saw I got to L-1 and then instead of being put in the tent I'm taken off L-1. I'm not claiming yet.

I mean, I unvoted solely to make sure no lolhammer shenanigans went on and gave you time to respond to the in-thread arguments or claim. Choosing to do neither isn't really the best look...

VOTE: Sera Masumi

your vote is wolfy then

"Everyone that thinks I'm sus is wolfy" yikes x2

Temporal is getting destroyed in the conversation with Sera. She makes such a good case on him and he just keeps making the same mistakes he made against Robb. Why wasn't he lynched D1?

Either way I'm not in the tent yet.

If somebody hammers, they're lynched next.

VOTE: TemporalLich

Spangled and Sera are on this vote but we still don't have a replacement? A little contradictory. I mean yeah an actual defense or claim from Temporal would be nice but we are still missing a whole player at this point. And 2 or 3 of the other players are essentially lurking all game.

let me start by saying i realu dislike big post overly worded as they are could have hidden meaning as i said i wasnt able to read no one fully yet and yes at a risk of takeing flank may i ask why your puting temp to l1 with out asking red to tell thire reads or build a case waiting for rob to respond and even hearing them out fully . all i have seen from temp this game was he scum read some one got yelled at by the person thenevery one said it was tvt and no one looked closer at rob . or red for saying phone is town cuse i playd with him . i need these people to be looked at closer before i even think of voteing my town reads and now you put your self in a spot saying temp and me or spangled or me so dose that mean that if temp comes back town your still assume me but now suspect spanglled and then hang oonne of us.

hard for me to say how much of this is due to newb!cyrus but why is he still so hesitant to give reads at this point? He makes a good point about "why is Temporal at L-1" and essentially ask why everyone assumes them to be TvT. I even like that is skeptical about my slot. Red is lurking too hard and no one cares except Cyrus at this point it seems. slight townpings from this but still, if either Cyrus or Temporal flip scum then the other should be looked at with extreme scrutiny.

477 Sera points out that cyrus was included in the list of people calling robb vs temporal tvt. The credit I gave cyrus is immediately null and void after having this pointed out to me.

So Temp is getting scum read for unvoting Robb and then voting him again? In past games I have seen town do this and I don't think scum are capable of this kind of play.

No, you are completely ignoring the WHY of Temporal's actions.

I have a theory if Red is scum, Sera would be his scum buddy and I also find it interesting Red said Phone is town and it looked like to me Red would be scum if Phone does flip town since he was feeling confident Phone is town.

Again, against my own slot but I still like the logic here. The scrutiny on red from sera is lacking, but also the WHOLE TOWN is letting red get away with lurking and not trying to engage him much. Well, other than Spangled I guess.

Spangled in 487 "Adorable, have you read the rest of Sera's scum!Temporal case? It does not just consist of 'unvoting then voting Robb again'; it consists of Temporal flip-flopping all the way through this game, and being super opportunistic at many a point, never really displaying good reasoning or thinking like town should. Please read the case in its' entirety; I feel that it makes lots of good points about Temporal and his ISO." THIS is why it matters, Adorable.

489 Temporal still talking about wolfy this wolfy that. Being a proactive player is NAI. Why does he act like it's a bad thing when it's against him but a good thing when it's against others?

The fact there's no resistance on my wagon means I might be done for.

So claim.

!!!!!

(because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).

Never is a harsh word. I would say there is probably a good 5% of the time where, when done correctly and at the right time, this can actually win town the game.

if me saying dont pr hunt is scummy then this town doesngt understand the way the game works .

Gonna have to agree, rolefishing is scummy.

LMAO at both of these guys. The town is looking at Temporal to claim because he is overly scummy, and both Cyrus and Temporal are acting like the town just wants to know Temporal's role for the hell of it. Victim's mentality, or Temporal has something to hide.

Temporal if you don't want to claim I'm fine with that. But understand, you've are softing PR by doing this. Even if we don't lynch you, if scum have a brain you'll eat the NK.

Prediction: somewhere down the line this post will have inspired Temporal to claim PR.

stop this it isnt helping town

Cyrus, it is because of your own words, and you blind following of Temporal that things even had to be spelled out for the scum this plainly.

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

Weird. Phone could have been "claiming" Mafia Rolecop. So how would you 300% know that is false if you aren't scum? hmm

So that explains why Temp was suspicious of Phone's post on page 2. I have seen alot of town flip flopping and they do this because they try to figure out who is scum and they sometimes get mislynched for flip flopping.

NOTE TO SELF: come back to this after my catch-up.

cyrus, I think you're town.
What I do want to know is - why did you think Temporal was a PR?

the way he plays prs would try to fight a lynch as much as a scum since they know them dieing hurts the town more then a normal town which states they, could be liring i'll give you that but untill a cc is made we have to count it as truth.

also the way they are picking who they think are scum could be a hint on who they going to check at night,

A PR would make some sort of a case for himself and not just jump around on random wagons...

Also I am starting to see why Temporal wasn't lynched even though I don't totally agree with letting him off the hook so easily.

538

NOTE TO SELF: come back to this after my catch-up.

note i havent voted yet so yes you two got 2 points for that play and i wont vote till some one has 10 points

So what did Cyan do to get 10 points earlier? And why is Cyan now dead?

Like I'm legit kind of annoyed at both you and Temp if you're town, which at this point is not entirely implausible, but you know, it's a game. Gotta let it go.

Don't agree with #556 but I like it; think it comes from a sincere place.

^

#565 cyan says some things I don't agree with but the one I want to comment on "I just wish her (Sera) posts could be a little on the shorter and more concise side of things, but having a lot to say isn't any hurtful for town."
Sera's posts are longer, yes, but imo very concise. She and spangled are providing the best town perspective in the game.

Cyrus' #569 You seem

awfully confident

in Temporal telling the truth and I just don't understand it tbh.

cyrus, I want Temporal's opinions, especially since we're treating him as conf!town.

Not just that. We NEED and DESERVE his opinions now. His behavior is so scummy overall (and not indicative of PR play at all) that I personally would have still pushed for the lynch at this point.

And what we did only helped scum, in the long run, true,

Eh, I disagree with the "only" bit. If this was a fake claim then a townie should now know that Temp is lying.

a D1 PR lynch is really bad, but not as bad as a D1 No Lynch

NOTE TO SELF: come back to this after my catch-up.

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

I can't help but TR cyrus. He's been a major factor in the town and in my decisions.

Cyan Talon is giving me fresh new insights that I feel come from a good place.

Adorable I can gel with but there is high scum equity (whatever that is) in her ISO.

Robbnva is townlean to me mainly due to his TvT interaction with me

I don't gel with Spangled but he isn't on my scum radar.

RedFlavor has been refusing to effort, not even trying to effort, and is in danger of being pinged rn.

Sera Masumi thinks refusing to effort is NAI (it's anti-town since it hurts the town by denying info and it's easier for scum to not effort), tries to put a Schrödinger's vote on me, multiplies by 1.5 when I push that as scummy to push my claim, and I don't get why Sera scumreads cyrus.

Doubling down on the sketchy (and perhaps baseless) Cyrus TR.
Townlean the not-lurking-lurker Cyan that wants people off of Temporal.
Townlean Adorable, the only person actually contributing to scumhunting that isn't targeting Temporal.
Townlean Robb, the guy that he believes he needs to be townleaning to minimizing the flip-flopping he has already been called out for multiple times (also very convenient he is V/LA and not here to pressure Temporal)
Nullread Spangled, the guy that's being cool enough to him now that he claimed PR, and knows wont come at him in the voting today.
Scumlean Redflavor for good reason tbh
SR Sera because she is pressuring him to say anything useful like Robb was earlier.

VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.

I thought she needed 10 points for your vote? You said she had 2 points and now she has 10 even though all your reasoning is stuff she did before she only had 2 points? Hmm

cyrus is forced.

I'm not voting Cyan Talon.

Not voting Talon but "no lynch is worse than PR lynch" and really has no reason to like talon so much other than the fact that Talon doesn't want Temporal Lynched today.

i shorted red and he come up as town but hasnt been playing much since they thought the game was on hold for 5 days so i have to wait for red and phone to be replaced before i can short better cyan is town temp is town and i am town i want to say spangled is town adorabke is town rob is town im pretty sure your scum and i cant short red as of now or phone but red was scum hunting and i think hes town

so many holes in your logic...

Also I really don't think arguing with Temp is going to get the town anywhere and just clutter up the thread- I'm going to break from the thread for a while unless anyone has any questions or cases against me; I'm happy to engage with either.

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

haven't you already done that, though? You require a whole 10 points to even vote someone! And you voted her!

i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy

but in town play like you

i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to

prove that i am town like you and temp

so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

Wait did you just admit that Sera is playing like town and you're only voting her because she is suspicious of you? That's a BIG red flag.

what come on im bored right now lynch me then if you so sure im scum then when i flip town maybe your realize a 2nd time i dont lie .

Maybe you'll realize that dying for the sake of it is never a good thing for you or your team.

agreed, especially if everyone agrees you're town

huh

as of page 11, lich has completely ceased posting any analyses and his posts are now completely devoid of meaningful content

I have liked most of osuka's posts so far and this one actually made me LOL in agreeance

I have a conflicted read on osuka, the catchup is towny but the vote on me doesn't seem town-motivated

once again the "x doesn't like me so I can't TR them" position. He has literally done that every time someone suspects him. That is the only non-flipfloppy thing about him.

I don't think they've gotten up to the part where you claim without a CC.
But aye, there's no real reason to vote someone until you read

everything

.

agree

i honestly feel spangled was just scum hunting and maybe sera was too what makes me wonder is why did the new guy vote for after you climed pr and no one counter you

don't be like Temporal. We need reasons as to why you feel this way because it looks like a big ol' flipflop to me. You were essentially mirroring Temporal's accusations of them rolefishing and now they were just scumhunting?

i do happen to agree with that slot's scumreads from 449, but I'm very iffy on any townreads other than sera at this point

why cant you townread spangled?

(because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing)

not strictly related to this game, but i strongly disagree with this as a blanket statement (and i believe ive actually almost lost a game because of a vt fakeclaim, if memory serves)

hell yeah, another sub I can agree with. I'm liking the subs so far.

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

this readslist is ass-backwards.

to be very clear, lich is not conftown in my mind. The absence of a counter claim does not mean a claim is valid (

especially

for a softclaim). i'm willing to trust this slot d1 to some extent, but I don't discard the possibility of scum here

yep and it is easiest to fake claim d1 because lowest chance of real PR CCing it. Plus now that Cyan is dead I find that post even more sus

phone jumped off robs wagon when he heard it was l1 this shows town not wanting to get a lynch to fast

I don’t like this post

yeah, cyrus does that a lot.

no office intended Adorable but you do realize if you drag the day out and rob still gets lynch and flips scum instead of town you look bad right? just saying not ment to be harsh.

Go read some completed mafia games please. This isn’t meant to be an insult or anything but a way for you to learn mafia. The worst thing this site did was take away ICs. Now nobody can actually teach people.

If you are actually town, that line of thinking is so wrong. You probably won’t listen/trust me so please go read games and learn for yourself

IC's aren't in newbie games anymore?

I also missed the memo on this. It's a damn shame.

Hey spangled if your scum congratz on winning this game.

+1

At this point RedFlavor might actually be scum, who has me in his scumteam list because I'm still an easy lynch apparently

scummy post

that's your cop your calling scummy.

why are you still so adamant about this

But you could be helping scum.

Spangled this paranoia is entirely unreasonable

paranoia? It is literally just a fact of mafia!

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Okay so that is through page 30. I'm sorry for the WoTs but I just have to catch up and it is so tedious to do each one in a new post. I just now realized that it will be much harder to quote me now that I didn't do it in one post, though. So I apologize for that. I will try to do the rest with only a couple of quotes per post. Anyway here is my updated readlist accurate up to page 30:

Town: Spangled
Townlean: Sera Masumi, Adorable,
Meh: Osuka
Scumlean: cyrus62, Whemestar
Scum: TemporalLich

Spangled: He has been questioning everyone and steered day 1 away from the somewhat silly tunneling from Robb(Osuka slot), but he also used the information that Robb(osuka) got us to make a good case against Temporal. He has held his composure against people questioning him and continues to blatantly scumhunt and at least 90% of his decisions align with what I would do as town.

Sera Masumi: She came in hot, scumhunting quickly and making controversial statements, including things that others hadn't said yet. I can't give her a full townread yet as I see some of her statements come off a little too LAMIST and tryhardish, but these don't necessarily come off as scummy either

Adorable: Weakest townlean. I still need to check the ISO but overall she appears to be trying to scumhunt. A little lurky at the same time though. I could see her being the real PR if Temporal isn't, but I am not banking on that. I don't fully agree with her logic from what I can remember.

Osuka: I still think that Temporal vs Robb(osuka) was TvS, and though I think Temporal is the scum I will definitely be looking at Osuka if Temporal flips town. I need to see more from Osuka himself. I have played with him once or twice before and think we generally agreed on most things. I want to say we won together at one point but will need to check that. Anyway -- since I haven't seen much from Osuka, most of my opinion on this slot is from Robb, and robb was definitely wrong about my slot's alignment, so I need to read a town!robb and scum!robb game to solidify my thoughts. I want to TL because it looks like he was just gauging reactions but if he is typically a nonstop tunneler in his town games then his play this game is very sus.

Whemestar: The slot was trolling I think? A PR/scumclaim right off the bat that I won't entirely rule out as being true. With the selfvote too. Stuff like this can fly under the radar in newbie games like this but I still find it odd that it wasn't talked about more by someone. I haven't seen much of substance from Wheme yet so this read is the one most likely to change, I think.

cyrus: Idek what to say about this one. My brain physically hurts trying to decide whether his motivations are noobtown or noobscum. Overall it looks scummy to me but I need to ISO him and read his completed game to get a better idea of what I'm dealing with. If my findings strengthen my scum!cyrus case (or even if it doesn't make me believe he is any more town) then I will likely push for his lynch on day 2 as I don't need the confusion, he does nothing to help town, and generally just flipflops like Temporal, but without a claim to make me hesitate on the rope.

Temporal: Oh, Temporal. You are all over the place. Constantly attacking anyone who comes after you and writing it off as wolf behavior. It looks like Robb got under your skin and you failed all but one reaction test so far. Yeah it was stupid that he was trying to say you claimed scum, and you handled that relatively well, but that is NAI and most of your actions seem very scum-motivated. I'm not sure if I can or will lynch you today, but I really want to. I would have lynched you on day one if I could've. At least from what I have read so far.

Omitted: Cyan Talon - I saw his flip already.

[eth0s]

Thing is, I really don't think Sera is scum either.
She has displayed, to me, a lot of great reasoning and town-thinking.

what's your feeling on WhemeStar then?

Again, Temporal doesn't even try to provide any reasoning here for why he thinks Spangled should vote Sera with him. He doesn't even have a good reason for voting Sera. He is hoping for Spangled (who most townread) to whip out one of his great explanations, then Temporal will probably jump on the Wheme wagon.

[eth0s]

so basically what you're saying is that it's impossible to meta read you at this time

It is and it isn't. If you look at his game there, you actually get a peek at how he operates, which I'd say is along the lines of 'moderately unreasonable'.

He might be aware of his meta, he might also be a pretty weird player overall. Right now, I'm leaning on Cyrus being town as a carry-over from said game; there's just the idea that he's being too scummy to be scum that I had in said game, and honestly I'm feeling it here.

If anything is nagging me now, it's the moment he took charge of the town early (current) game before reverting back to his old self.

NOTE TO SELF: come back to this after my catch-up.

oops i meant to combine this with my last post teehee

[eth0s]

Good thing Lich is the PR because if he wasn’t I’d want him lynched

Good thing he claimed PR *ftfy
Also, wheme, havent we played together before? Was it maybe in that one alien themed game?

[eth0s]

No... no other thoughts?
Why is Cyan scum, first?

Pedit:
Phew I thought you were leaving it there.

I don’t make cases sry bud

VOTE: WhemeStar

seriously?

lol there it its

[eth0s]

Idk spangled just read Cyans iso dude is so neutral on everything and hasn’t placed one vote all game

Just screams scum too me

alright I think I can agree with this case. Yeah, no vote is scummy AF.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Sera is still a worthy lynch

Then drop on the deck and flop like a fish!

[eth0s]

Back again, and considering the deadline's probably cutting short and I'm about to die...

I'd like to inform you that if I am to believe everything I currently do as of now, there is a Mafia Roleblocker among us. Meanwhile, let me catch up.

god fucking dammit

[eth0s]

My main case against Sera is still the fact she manipulates me into claiming by setting me on L-1 (see 472) when

she didn't even want to L-1 vote me

(see 455). And 451 makes it look even worse.

She doubled down on my vote with 490 btw.

464 is also a bad defense.

pedit: okay I guess, gonna flip back just in case

VOTE: Cyan Talon

votes the soft claiming doc lol

[eth0s]

Okay, Thespio. Was confused because I thought he replaced Sera and not red but... I agree with his intro post for the most part.. I know we are on the same slot so that doesn't mean much, but I at least like his inital post more than anything Red ever said. I don't really agree with his SvS claim on Robb vs Temporal but I will think about it

[eth0s]

yeah my vote isnt moving, You are not cop, My guess is there is a mafia RB, and you are claiming a role that exists 2/3 of the time. you want a CC so you can RB the cop. and kill someone else, effectively canceling out the cop. You are likely not the RB, as you made the claim.

Post 893 has some information that would argue otherwise.

um, sorry, i meant 892. whoops

anyway, consider what i'm implying behind my statement. it would tell you that there likely isn't a Mafia RB if TL is lying with his cop claim

Yeah with each post this guy makes it becomes more clear to me why he was killed n1. I had been keeping track of some things in my head as to why he died n1 and had ideas about who would be motivated to do that, but he totally dropped the ball and got himself killed by any scum with more than 50 iq

[eth0s]

Ultimately depends on how much pressure I’m under. I wouldn’t say scum could get away with hammering that slot at that point in time though

I would only ever claim pr d1 if I felt like there was no other option

do you feel like he had no other option?

I’m not sure. I just can’t see myself in that situation, because I don’t make a habit of actively trying to get myself lynched as a PR zone the first day

Do you think that Temporal really is a cop then?

[eth0s]

I thought Phone was just joking when he claimed Cop and I didn't believe his claim. Wheme subs in for Phone and if he was the Cop, it would have made more sense if he voted Temp but he voted Cyan instead.

Right, your full of it, he didnt hard claim cop until a few posts ago, and he hasnt posted anything about the cop claim. so making assertions like that isnt really logical. Lets just ask him, why did his slot claim cop? is it valid? because his only post isnt about Lich being a cop, its about lich being a PR. because he claimed PR not cop.

He actually did hardclaim cop earlier though

[eth0s]

Also, osuka, I would have killed you in that situation every time, as you are the only one scumreading me so far.

This is WIFOM

[eth0s]

your votes manage to get 2 prs to out them selfs on day 1 and now ones dead

Where did Cyan out himself?

are you serious?

[eth0s]

It's really as if scum knew Cyan was a PR

to be fair didnt he soft pr? I have to admit I did completely miss it, but 954 heavily implies that he is a PR of some sort

that was his second time softclaiming...

[eth0s]

this is why i was so pisst off off yesterday about both prs being outed now lich may as well just be town but then again it is easy to say your cop as scum maybe the real pr is still hideing still
but i will trust for another day. regardless.

We can't trust for another day. We have to figure out if he is the real PR or not TODAY. Because if he is telling the truth then he dies tonight.

[eth0s]

I think osuka might be scum with Spangled

holy shit

[eth0s]

A no-read is not mech!scum.

what do you mean by this?

[eth0s]

and considering I was roleblocked instead of shot... well... scum are more likely to be in the people who don't think my claim is true.

nah.

[eth0s]

I do think you’re probably cop; I’ve said it a fair few times by now, I think.
But being suss of a suss player isn’t scummy, and TL you’ve been suss in half your posts. To be fair I don’t know if I’ve been much better; that’s a discussion for post-game, really, but I can see how people could have seen you as fairly scummy.

I still think you’re probably cop, though. Especially without a CC.

DO NOT CC, AND DON'T GIVE TL THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. We need to take our time if we want any chance of winning this mess

[eth0s]

and considering I was roleblocked instead of shot... well... scum are more likely to be in the people who don't think my claim is true.

But there were two PR claims to shoot. Which they chose doesn’t really matter. But maybe they shot Cyan instead of you because you’re introducing discord into the town; they’re fine with you being ineffectual in the night and helping them during the day. That would make sense.

I think this is a very likely possibility

[eth0s]

Shooting Cyan (softed a PR) instead of me (a claimed cop) is some major blue liquid in front of me

he literally gave away his role 2 times. HIS EXACT ROLE. If you read the setup information post (2) then you would understand this

[eth0s]

Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by that, and a doubtless clever joke is utterly wasted to me.
But VTs don’t often soft PR, so I can see why scum would consider it an actual claim.

WIFOM except weirder.

yeah, a PR soft is likely to be from a PR.

Still, it doesn't bode well that scum shoots the PR soft instead of the most overpowered role in the setup.

Maybe because you spent day 1 looking like complete scum and if you're actually cop then they can just RB you every night (if we don't lynch you first)?!?!

[eth0s]

if your cop claim is really true, that means there is a 50% chance of a mafia roleblocker

Where are you getting this number? I believe if he is telling the truth then we have to be playing A3 in which case these

IS

a mafia roleblocker.

[eth0s]

town
lich cop clime
cyan flip doc
spangled town
red null
rob scum lean
sera scum lean
me watcher
wenmester town lean
adoable townish

sorry to throse who replaced in i couldn't remember all your names yet but there is my read it took 16 days to get enough information to give a good read i dont just hand these out i study carefully and will do cases on why i find you scummy later on also pc isuse still happening but will keep playing though as much as i can looking to get a new charger soon.

it took you this long to make a reads list and you don't even give any explanations? Also what do you mean by "me watcher"?

[eth0s]

I need to provide reads as well. Surely it may help piece the town together.

Here's a lead rist.

[Town]

cyrus62

- 142 is town-AI, the fact cyrus is pretty much a thoughtstream spews him as town-aligned.
eth0s - The effort in your catchup post up to page 18 (1040), which predates my mediumclaim in 525, is something I don't see scum doing. Townlean.
Adorable - Null!townlean, can see a few towny posts in the ISO such as 375 (yeah good scumcase), 486 (good observations), and 1043 (I really like the explanations in the readlist).
Sera Masumi - Hasn't posted since

9 days 18 hours

...
osuka - 1033 is a pretty bad post. We're in A3 because Cyan flipped Doc. This seems to be indicative of osuka's low effort play.
WhemeStar - Don't see much effort here either, ISO looks scummier than osuka.

Spangled

- It's a good thing for you I got no result on you... however you still seem like scum trying to coast along.

[Scum]

I was hoping the night would give Sera time to catch up...but alas- looking for replacement for Sera Masumi

Question: why do you townlean me over Adorable?

[eth0s]

Between the players I listed as scum on my read list, I'm leaning more on Wheme more likely to be scum. Sera hasn't been online for 11 days and we know for sure she definitely did not kill Cyan and whoever killed Cyan was more likely online yesterday and day before yesterday.

VOTE: Whemestar

Sera's activity is NAI. Scum can still kill even if one of them isn't playing.

[eth0s]

OH YEAH one more thing that I didn't really touch on much last night that Sera brought up: why the hell did Cyrus want to put a lynch through so badly while we were waiting on a replacement? I won't attribute that to newb!cyrus. He should know better by now.

so what

do

you attribute that to? in general, being overly lynch happy comes from scum - but town never benefits from d1 NL. which way are you leaning here?

We weren't close to the timer. We had 1 waiting replacement, and maybe even 2 waiting replacement when he started pushing a lynch. With 2 or 3 other players lurking. So There was very little encouragement for activity, 1-2 players awaiting replacement (I will check this for sure in a bit) and we had plenty of time yet he wanted to lynch someone. Scumreading that behavior.

[eth0s]

i mean realy so far only two or three town are good at hunting and looking the rest seem to blindly follow. but heres a another random queston . since we know theres rb out there whats to say lich isnt the rb?

we don't know that there is one because lich could be lying. But I actually already brought this possibility up. Well, more like I straight up accused him of being mafia RB

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

Weird. Phone could have been "claiming" Mafia Rolecop. So how would you 300% know that is false if you aren't scum? hmm

[eth0s]

@Mod may we have the timer disabled while we wait for a replacement for Sera? She has been gone for like 11 days and we have had so many people missing. I think the game is negatively impacted by it.

[eth0s]

Anyway I have the mafia narrowed down to 4 people now. I don't want to disclose who all 4 of them are yet until I get to interact with some of you more but I will say I am totally okay with a cyrus lynch today and there is one other person I would like to lynch. The other 2 I would compromise on. But like I said, I don't want to go into this too much until I get some more interaction. For now:
VOTE: cyrus62

[eth0s]

Vote Count 2.1

With 8 players it takes 5 to lynch

Spangled (1) ~

TenporalLich

TemporalLich (1) ~

osuka

not voting (6) ~

adorable, cyrus62, eth0s, Sera Masumi, spangled, Whemestar

deadline:

(expired on 2019-07-26 13:00:00)

I wanna correct the no longer accurate vote from Osuka so I am gonna post my own unofficial votelist.

Spangled (1/5)

~ TemporalLich 999

Whemestar (1/5)

~ Adorable 1047

cyrus62 (1/5)

~ eth0s 1084

[eth0s]

this is why i was so pisst off off yesterday about both prs being outed now lich may as well just be town but then again it is easy to say your cop as scum maybe the real pr is still hideing still
but i will trust for another day. regardless.

We can't trust for another day. We have to figure out if he is the real PR or not TODAY. Because if he is telling the truth then he dies tonight.

does he really, though? if his cop claim is true, then the setup really does have a roleblocker. Which means that mafia can just keep him blocked, and there is no way for anyone to ever know whether we're in A3 or C1

We lynch the roleblocker and the cop is a threat again. Even moreso due to poe. I didn't wanna spell it out like this but at least one pr, probably 2 have already spelled out their roles on day one so I'm not trying to win the old fashioned way anymore. Gonna take some brute force to win this if Temp isn't lying.

[eth0s]

Oh and if anyone thinks that my vote on cyrus was sketchy without giving any reasoning, please cut me some slack. Between last night and today I have put almost 10 hours into catching up, taking notes, and posting my thoughts on the game so far. If you want reasoning just check my ISO and look at what I've said about cyrus since the beginning.

[eth0s]

OH YEAH one more thing that I didn't really touch on much last night that Sera brought up: why the hell did Cyrus want to put a lynch through so badly while we were waiting on a replacement? I won't attribute that to newb!cyrus. He should know better by now.

so what

do

you attribute that to? in general, being overly lynch happy comes from scum - but town never benefits from d1 NL. which way are you leaning here?

We weren't close to the timer. We had 1 waiting replacement, and maybe even 2 waiting replacement when he started pushing a lynch. With 2 or 3 other players lurking. So There was very little encouragement for activity, 1-2 players awaiting replacement (I will check this for sure in a bit) and we had plenty of time yet he wanted to lynch someone. Scumreading that behavior.

fair - but wouldn't you say that him pushing for a lynch isn't actually pro-town? We did end up with a no-lynch, so anything short of lynching a claimed pr probably would've been better

Either I'm confused or you meant to say "is pro town". But I didn't find it pro town due to the timing. If he wanted to go for a lynch withing, idk the last 30 hours of the timer then yeah that's fine but I'm talking about when there was like 5 days left or something.

this is why i was so pisst off off yesterday about both prs being outed now lich may as well just be town but then again it is easy to say your cop as scum maybe the real pr is still hideing still
but i will trust for another day. regardless.

We can't trust for another day. We have to figure out if he is the real PR or not TODAY. Because if he is telling the truth then he dies tonight.

does he really, though? if his cop claim is true, then the setup really does have a roleblocker. Which means that mafia can just keep him blocked, and there is no way for anyone to ever know whether we're in A3 or C1

We lynch the roleblocker and the cop is a threat again. Even moreso due to poe. I didn't wanna spell it out like this but at least one pr, probably 2 have already spelled out their roles on day one so I'm not trying to win the old fashioned way anymore. Gonna take some brute force to win this if Temp isn't lying.

entertain, for a second, the thought that the roleblocker might actually be in a somewhat comfortable position regarding being lynched. If scum feels like the RBer is in no danger, what is their incentive to kill lich?

(this is all assuming lich is telling the truth ofc) It doesn't matter if the MRB does or does not feel comfortable right now. It only matters that he is currently alive. The moment the MRB gets lynched I say they NK Lich. Until then they need to keep him around to continue distracting the town with his scummy plays. They're probably hoping we just lynch him anyway as this town is having trouble forming a wagon and Lich is somewhat of an easy lynch target.

[eth0s]

There are much better players for them to NK if Lich is really RB.

[eth0s]

@Whemestar

What do you think of the behavior of the guy you replaced, Phone0Ix?

[eth0s]

There are much better players for them to NK if Lich is really RB.

In what world is Lich RB

I meant to say cop, my bad.

@Whemestar

What do you think of the behavior of the guy you replaced, Phone0Ix?

Idrc about him cause I have his role pm

Well the rest of us do, or at least should care. For some reason the town let him get away with that statement and hardly questioned him at all. What town motivation would you have to not try and provide some insight, seeing that you know what his role was?

[eth0s]

(this is all assuming lich is telling the truth ofc) It doesn't matter if the MRB does or does not feel comfortable right now. It only matters that he is currently alive. The moment the MRB gets lynched I say they NK Lich. Until then they need to keep him around to continue distracting the town with his scummy plays. They're probably hoping we just lynch him anyway as this town is having trouble forming a wagon and Lich is somewhat of an easy lynch target.

well the moment a roleblocker dies, not only is lich free to do whatever he wants - he's also pretty much confirmed, since a rb flip puts us in the setup with a cop

I don't think scum is banking on having lich lynched though. that's a bit far-fetched

I mean Lich was L-1 with what I perceived to be intent to hammer, with quite a bit of time left in the day. He generally caused chaos and has had most players say something negative about his play at one point or another. I don't see it as far-fetched at all.

[eth0s]

Even if scum doesn't bank on Lich being Lynched there is virtually no reason for them to NK him right now because no one trusts him and he doesn't scumhunt

pedit

i wanted to add i didnt excastly push for a lynch i was asking what others thoughts were . but also i throw the idea out with out posting a vote. also the game was delay d for 5 days over .these two

Tbh I would have felt better if you did just put a vote on someone, and make a compelling argument. Because to me it looks like you were just testing the waters which is what I would expect from newb!scum

[eth0s]

Also, I would have been criticizing cyrus harder had I noticed that the scum have their private thread open all the time. I apparently missed that and just noticed it after my catch-up... But yeah I am pretty sure that some of cyrus' flipflopping has to do with being fed information over a PT

[eth0s]

What sttwment

I claim cop. My n0 redcheck is on somebody called phone..? Lets wagon him. How can I vote them?

VOTE: Phone0Ix

People basically just accepted this as a joke and Phone0Ix never had any pressure on him. I thought that was really weird. Why do you think he would do that? I mean this is newbie but still..

[eth0s]

Why I am voting Cyrus, and why we should lynch him today.

1. Flip-flopping and nonsensical statements

Spoiler:

VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

this is low relevance but I still potentially see this as a taunt. My reasoning is further amplified after Cyan said this

So we should probably find something to spark discussion with.

Starting with, I'd like to actually express some doubts about Cyrus here. While I appreciate that he's towning up, the town game he previously mentioned shows him being all over the place with his words and actions. Oddly, I find him more organized in this game than in that one, and it's pinging a few alarms.

I'm not keen on voting him for just this, since it could also be a result of him improving and not being fed information by a partner, but I really don't know how someone suddenly goes from newbie spewer to town leader level in the interval of, like, 1 game.

This is probably the weakest of things to suspect someone from, but let's talk about Cyrus if it helps.

It seems cyrus genuinely does want feedback from Cyan, and when I first saw Cyan's flip I was like "oh, the taunt post I made about cyrus could be relevant here since he called out change in Cyrus' meta", but then it turns out Cyan basically screamed I'M A DOCTOR in 2 of his posts so this is probably not worth much as Cyan was destined to die after he claimed.

so basically what you're saying is that it's impossible to meta read you at this time

It is and it isn't. If you look at his game there, you actually get a peek at how he operates, which I'd say is along the lines of 'moderately unreasonable'.

He might be aware of his meta, he might also be a pretty weird player overall. Right now, I'm leaning on Cyrus being town as a carry-over from said game; there's just the idea that he's being too scummy to be scum that I had in said game, and honestly I'm feeling it here.

If anything is nagging me now, it's the moment he took charge of the town early (current) game before reverting back to his old self.

Notice that last line there. Somewhere between 382 and 762 cyan claims that the leadership part of Cyrus' play has started to disappear. Robb stopped regularly posting at 416 and replaced out entirely at 612. This is more circumstancial evidence that suggests maybe he was getting some advice from Robb in their PT. Is it a coincidence that 416 was rob's last game related post and in 438 cyrus mentions his V/LA? Robb stated that he was going on V/LA in the main thread and continued to stay active, but shortly after he stopped being active, Cyrus is speaking for him?

76 and 82 show cyrus being very attentive to rob's votecount, and perhaps overly cautious about it. 89 looks like cyrus playing mindgames. Pointing out something irrelevant to make someone else look towny while sort of hinting at being glad that rob is no longer L-1. 213 he is once again defending rob. Then once Cyrus made his post saying Rob is vla (which felt very awkward given his ISO, he starts kind of accusing robb in 474 and 476?

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.

Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?

Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?

Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.

i stated that rob was at l1 and he unvoted so i didnt have to do anything and i didnt vote him now did i

weird.

Then in his next posts (there are so many of them I am tired of linking them all, just look at his ISO) is when he starts kinda defending TemporalLich and agreeing that Spangled and Sera are rolefishing. Now, To me it didn't look like rolefishing at all. Temporal was playing scummy as fuck, and for some reason Cyrus wants to defend him. Which is why Temporal is my 2nd most likely scumpartner for Cyrus.Even if Temporal isn't scum, Cyrus could just be using the opportunity to pocket Temporal and look like he is preventing rolefishing to get towncred. Cyrus probably expected Temporal to get lynched at this point and either knew he would flip town and get towncred, or they are scumpartners and knew he wouldnt have to vote because TL told him he would claim a pr in their private thread.

Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...

I'm not rolefishing, Temporal, I'm convincing cyrus that a PR outing themselves and one scum doing the same isn't a bad trade.
In the worst case scenario, it is C1, and Temporal is a town PR and claims, and scum CC. We lynch Temporal, someone takes the NK, and then we lynch the scum the next day, and someone takes the next NK.
That leaves us at D3 with 1 scum and 4 town, and lots of associative reads. That isn't even MyLo.

do you see the rows if temp is cop we may just have 6 vt and then we lose are only pr

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

idk if this is actually sus or not but it feels like it to me after building this case on Cyrus.

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

misrepping and opportunism.

note i havent voted yet so yes you two got 2 points for that play and i wont vote till some one has 10 points

lol

ask your self this if i was scum why would i be pisst off about pr being found on day 1?

fixed

LAMIST and WIFOM

They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to

then lets hope theres a doc right other wise all this did was get a pr killed

lucky doctor guess? Probably irrelevant.

VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.

from 2 points to 10 points really quick eh?

scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .

clearly he equates lurking with being scum, and has made it a point to remind us multiple times how much he posts. LAMIST?

Also I really don't think arguing with Temp is going to get the town anywhere and just clutter up the thread- I'm going to break from the thread for a while unless anyone has any questions or cases against me; I'm happy to engage with either.

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

Lemme threaten to case you as a scum after I already voted for you? this goes back to one of my first major criticisms of cyrus on my catchup posts:

i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy

but in town play like you

i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to

prove that i am town like you and temp

so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

Wait did you just admit that Sera is playing like town and you're only voting her because she is suspicious of you? That's a BIG red flag.

If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.

let me ask you this why would scum care if you outed a pr. i am calming down now i was pisst off i don't like to lose. i can only sort so much on so little post in 9 days.

still lamist.

i honestly feel spangled was just scum hunting and maybe sera was too what makes me wonder is why did the new guy vote for after you climed pr and no one counter you

flips his perspective without explaining why. Still voting for Sera at this point too.

i wii make this know here and now im not okay with a cyan lynch so i will not vote them

gotta let us know he wont lynch the doctor claim?

VOTE: Cyan. after seeing i have no choise i vote cyan not that i wanted to

"oh wait actually I will lynch the doctor claim, even tho I made such a big deal about outing prs!"

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2. Reads

Spoiler:

i'm trying we still in page 6 and until the game is in full swing we wont have much to go on i think the best thing to do is maybe cast a vote on some one now and see where it leads. cyan didn't give me much of a response so i think that's how town would act. given it was rvs

"Do as I say, not as I do." His vote is still RVS on cyan at this point. He makes 43 more posts before he unvotes cyan (then lingers with no vote for 71 more posts until he votes Sera). Why does he say we should be voting on people and then doing the complete opposite?

why would i give reads on the 1st page when theres still people not yet to post dont be so hasty let others post then i can give reads.

Waiting to pocket reads? Maybe not... But he also waited until 16 days into the game to give a readslist, which would give him plenty of time to do so.

welcome so now the game can start now that every ones here

The game had already started...

i like to wait for every one to post once before i get out of rvs mode since then i can start reading players based on thire post content and how help for it is. and how many there is. as knowing this can help me find scum

Everyone had posted looong before he finally gave reads. Not incriminating by itself but he even said he was going to, under these conditions, but didn't.

so temp what are your reads so far and why?

asking for reads but still not posting his

not enough post from any one yet to form proper reads

almost 200 thread posts later, still no reads.

town
lich cop clime
cyan flip doc
spangled town
red null
rob scum lean
sera scum lean
me watcher
wenmester town lean
adoable townish

sorry to throse who replaced in i couldn't remember all your names yet but there is my read it took 16 days to get enough information to give a good read i dont just hand these out i study carefully and will do cases on why i find you scummy later on also pc isuse still happening but will keep playing though as much as i can looking to get a new charger soon.

almost 700 posts later lol and with no explanations given. He now townreads spangled and and townleans Whemestar? Weird.

Shooting Cyan (softed a PR) instead of me (a claimed cop) is some major blue liquid in front of me

he literally gave away his role 2 times. HIS EXACT ROLE. If you read the setup information post (2) then you would understand this

you seem to very smart i like your follow though and will most likely sheep your vote . this game is way to far over the place in a 16 day 1st day we should have been able to find all of scum and i get I'm not helping much i just felt it was super bad for us for both prs to out them selfs on d1 if you think lich isn't telling the truth am inclend to have faith in it. been having a pc issue for almost 10days now.

why want to sheep me already? he was nullreading my slot before I joined in and never even tried to interact with me before saying he would sheep me?

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3. Weird phone interactions

Spoiler:

its okay phone if you think hes scum vote for him i was just leting you know hes at l1

Innocent or trying to get another newb to do his bidding?

phone jumped off robs wagon when he heard it was l1 this shows town not wanting to get a lynch to fast

sus

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4. Trying to save his day one?

Spoiler:

no office intended Adorable but you do realize if you drag the day out and rob still gets lynch and flips scum instead of town you look bad right? just saying not ment to be harsh.

Robb/Osuka is one of my top suspects for being scum if Cyrus is, and this to me looks like cyrus either trying to scare Adorable into lynching him quickly (which would cut d1 short, not as bad as a long d1 scum lynch) or not lynching him at all (scum partner lives)

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5. Another random flip flop

Spoiler:

yea connar and phone could be scum maybe as of now both of them are bloging the game now

if you think about it phone and conner are helping us because the days paused so we have longer to find scum

quick change of heart?

Originally this was all going to be organized better but oh well. I had over 250 posts to go through from him alone. Anyway this is scum, and if it isn't, it's going to distract me too much because town!cyrus62 doesn't make sense. I want to get around to interacting with everyone and form some better reads and then lynch this guy.

[eth0s]

I can't see eth0s being scum with cyrus regardless, I highly doubt the scumcase is a bus, but it feels hollow

It feels hollow? You haven't made a case on anyone and in fact you completely dropped the ball causing yourself to have to claim PR, with no real reason. Also, who have you not voted for this game? Why is it that you're willing to vote on people for little to no reason but I can give you an entire rundown of a sketchy ISO and you are hesitant to vote?

[eth0s]

Honestly Temporal if you aren't lying you're just delusional. Tell me where that was hollow? Why would you be vote flipping around like mad earlier on people with no cases, yet call this hollow? I mean FFS he even told me he would sheep me and stated that he might be okay with lynching you today and I still push him because I see him as scummier than you. Just know that if you aren't lying, your role is already completely useless until we kill MRB, and then you 99% get nightkilled. So with that being said I am not afraid to lynch you today if you are going to keep playing like you did on day one. But I'm not voting on any case you make unless it's a damn good case

[eth0s]

Just keep making face value statements with absolutely no logic to back them up, and see how far that gets you.

[eth0s]

I honestly don't know what to tell you about that because my reads probably differ vastly from yours. You had a nice, towny start but then you started making a lot of questionable posts. In fact, you are one of the 2 people I would compromise lynch today, with Temporal.

[eth0s]

Plus you've basically been townreading cyrus all game, and wven when you're not you make it obvious that part of you wants to. Not sure how you would feel pocketed by me but I'm all ears if you want to explain.

[eth0s]

Your response to 382 boils down to "cyrus actually wants feedback from Cyan but he's still scum because Cyan claimed doctor", like seriously that doesn't click. By that logic you should be deathtunneling me because I claimed cop.

How did you even get to this conclusion? I said that It caught my attention because Cyan was calling out Cyrus for not playing by his meta, and that once I realized Cyan claimed doctor it basically made the whole point moot because he freaking outed his pr. Either you horribly misunderstood that or you're trying to misrep me.

[eth0s]

I can't take #2 without dying from hypernatremia since it's blindingly obvious cyrus is posting his thoughts as he reads, aka cyrus is a thoughtstream

lol all while he says "i need more time to post my reads!!"

Idc if he's giving us an opinion on a player or two at a time, he was clearly scared of giving a full readlist until over 2 weeks into the game.

[eth0s]

I honestly don't know what to tell you about that because my reads probably differ vastly from yours. You had a nice, towny start but then you started making a lot of questionable posts. In fact, you are one of the 2 people I would compromise lynch today, with Temporal.

We aren’t lynching TemporalLich

Meh. Like I said his role is useless now anyways. In what situation does he not get NK'ed as soon as the MRB gets lynched? I am just hoping at this point someone else is really PR and will do a better job at concealing it while they collect some actual evidence.

[eth0s]

]probably the former, with that in mind it seems it makes sense as a good scumcase, I had thought you scumread cyrus because Cyan claimed doc.

I didn't have a real reason to include that part besides being frustrated. I saw Cyan's flip in the modpost so when I came across Cyan saying Cyrus wasn't playing by his normal meta, I figured Cyan was killed for it. Then I got to the part where he outed his pr and realized literally any scum would kill him for that. Although I'm still trying to come up with a firm reason as to why they would kill him and rb you, rather than rb you and kill him. He wasn't participating much, you were flipping only any wagon that came up. Part of me thinks it makes sense for that reason, the other part of me thinks they would leave you and try to get you to vote with them.

[eth0s]

Part of me thinks it makes sense for that reason, the other part of me thinks they would kill you and leave the lurky doctor claim.

That's what I meant. At first I originally stated the reason they would leave you twice lol.

[eth0s]

But as long as the town is so inactive and the few active players can't agree on anything, I just don't see how we're gonna win at this rate.

[eth0s]

Anyway I guess there is no point in holding back the people I want to lynch anymore. This game has me pretty demoralized so far and it kinda looks like we will be in a constant cycle of missing players. And there's basically been a precedent set of no one needs to interact, so I don't even feel like trying to do that anymore.

Lynch cyrus, osuka, TemporalLich, Spangled in order of most to least confident.

[eth0s]

if you're not willing to compromise on your lynches even after the dreaded D1NL, you might be scum or deathtunneling

You have already misrepped me like 3 times. Where did I say that I wouldn't compromise? I have literally half of the player list on my list of people I will lynch today. You and Spangled are the comrpmises.

[eth0s]

I do have to agree on eth0s post on #1131 and it's like half of the players have different scum reads and we can't even come to an agreement on who to lynch. Whoever are scum, I start to wonder if they are posting for the sake of posting and plan on having another no lynch.

Since the clock has been ticking ever since Sera left like 10 days ago, and now we even have Cyrus going on vacation until after the deadlin, pretty sure it is gg lol

[eth0s]

if you're not willing to compromise on your lynches even after the dreaded D1NL, you might be scum or deathtunneling

You have already misrepped me like 3 times. Where did I say that I wouldn't compromise? I have literally half of the player list on my list of people I will lynch today. You and Spangled are the comrpmises.

I wasn't responding to you that time.

I was responding to 1135

Oh, my bad.

[eth0s]

See, eth0s, I felt pocketed because all throughout your catch-up you were pointing at me as town, even semi-complimenting me at some points...
Now I'm just weirded out; I don't really see where your read evolution on me is straight from town to scum.
You've been accusing cyrus of flip-flopping (and although I do see the case on him), you seem to be guilty of the same.
Mind showing everyone - and me - where my 'questionable posts' have been?

@eth0s

To put it bluntly, you scare me. I can't even say that I scumread you. Half of the time I feel scumlean, half of the time I feel townlean. While I felt that your actions on day one were mostly indicative of a townie taking charge and scumhunting, I began to psych myself out on the possibility of you just being a smart scum player. The aftermath of your pushes on day one were fruitful, but outed potentially 2 prs. And I need more time to determine fully if I think you did that on purpose.

I am hesitant to say that you did, because TemporalLich was being so flaky that he really brought it upon himself. And Cyan was kinda the same, but in a different manner. Temporal was reckless and couldn't stick to a wagon, Cyan was too quiet and passive the majority of the time. I don't think you expected to get a PR claim from Temporal, but I think you might've on Cyan. And honestly I originally thought maybe Sera is who I should be worried about rather than you, but ultimately her lack of activity, and your constant guiding town discussion made me stick with you as my choice. I just don't see scum!sera coming in, putting in all that effort, and bouncing.

So really it's not that I want you lynched because I suspect you're scum, although part of me thinks maybe you are, but that I want you gone because I'm not sure I will ever be able to shake my suspicions on you. Note that you are 4th in priority for me, and if Cyrus or Temporal flipped scum, I don't think I would worry about you anymore.

Also I don't think that our reads align very well anymore, which makes me believe that going to MyLo or LyLo with you would just make this harder. But I think your reads would likely change with a scumflip, as mine would. You also have a lot of interaction with everyone that I would be

very

interested in revisiting after your flip. So that's the gist of it. I would still much rather see Cyrus go, as I would say there's about a 75% chance he is scum. And I still want to hear more from Osuka, but Robb's play really struck me the wrong way after reading his ISO again. I know the town won't lynch Temporal today, although I am still not convinced that it is a bad move. I just can't let go of how scummy he was in day one, and the fact that even if he is a cop, he is essentially a VT against a roleblocker, and dead immediately if the roleblocker gets lynched.

[eth0s]

]probably the former, with that in mind it seems it makes sense as a good scumcase, I had thought you scumread cyrus because Cyan claimed doc.

I didn't have a real reason to include that part besides being frustrated. I saw Cyan's flip in the modpost so when I came across Cyan saying Cyrus wasn't playing by his normal meta, I figured Cyan was killed for it. Then I got to the part where he outed his pr and realized literally any scum would kill him for that. Although I'm still trying to come up with a firm reason as to why they would kill him and rb you, rather than rb you and kill him. He wasn't participating much, you were flipping only any wagon that came up. Part of me thinks it makes sense for that reason, the other part of me thinks they would leave you and try to get you to vote with them.

no i can see why cyan over lich think about it cyan said he belived lich post of cop to be true meaning he outed him self as a pr doc scum would kill doc over cop so cyan couldnt save lich

You know they could have just roleblocked the doctor and killed Temporal though, no? And assuming temporal is cop, he will likely be roleblocked every night now until he dies. It would have been the same situation if they killed Temporal and blocked Cyan every night.

However, it does seem more likely that Cyan was telling the truth than Temporal. Not because we can see the flip but because Cyan was the second to claim (which would be SUPER ballsy for a fake claim) and he even kinda called out that there was probably a mafia roleblocker.

Cyrus, I still want to know why you said you wouldn't vote for Cyan (who had already softclaimed) and then very shortly after, changed you mind and voted him.

[eth0s]

I would also like to go on record saying that I'm going to need Whemestar and Adorable to start making more posts with some sort of substance or goal in mind. You two are starting to weird me out the the low effort on wheme and low content on Adorable.

[eth0s]

@Spangled

I felt as though you were putting pressure on people day one, and even got people to claim. Sort of broke up or mediated the fight between Robb and Temporal. This is what I mean by guiding discussion. In a normal game there would be more people doing that, and less lurking and being replaced. But since this is not a normal game, you are the closest thing I have identified to a town leader. Like I said though, Sera was pretty much neck and neck with you for that title, but she left out of nowhere. And now I have much less info on the slot than I want.

[eth0s]

i felt forced to vote the way sapngled said i felt i was aiming for a no lynch complead me to vote if you read what i said ,i said i did not want to vote him even when i did and after i seen his soft i unvoted preventing scum from lynching him.

Hmm. I see now. I think you identified the soft later than I originally thought you did. But your response begs the question, why do you feel compelled to vote the way spangled does? And why did you change your mind about him being scum earlier? You went from saying that he and Sera were rolefishing, to saying that he wasn't rolefishing and maybe Sera wasn't either. And you made that change without any explanation as far as I can tell.

[eth0s]

I would also like to go on record saying that I'm going to need Whemestar and Adorable to start making more posts with some sort of substance or goal in mind. You two are starting to weird me out the the low effort on wheme and low content on Adorable.

I've voted one of my suspects but I feel as if I'm getting ignored.

Tbh I didn't say anything about your vote because I was kind of annoyed at the response people had over my posts. But yeah, I can't back a wheme wagon today. At least not yet. He hasn't posted enough content yet. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a little bit in case he is still catching up or whatever. I don't know how long I will feel this way, though.

[eth0s]

i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy

but in town play like you

i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to

prove that i am town like you and temp

so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

Wait did you just admit that Sera is playing like town and you're only voting her because she is suspicious of you? That's a BIG red flag.

I still want to know what people think of this. No one has acknowledged it yet.

[eth0s]

If anyone cares, this is basically my thought process for how Day 2 has to go down for me to be okay with the outcome. Firstly, I need to ISO Adorable. I want to look at her claims more in depth and build a better profile on her, but that will likely come until tomorrow. However, one thing won't change for me, and that is the fact that I will not lynch someone that I don't see a solid case on. I can live with not lynching Cyrus today. I can accept why others would not want to lynch Cyrus today. So if people don't want to join me on that, I am willing to make another case on someone from my lynch list.

What I can't do is join the Whemestar wagon. Here's why:

Pros of lynching wheme:
get rid of a lurky slot that hasn't contributed much, and was previously owned by someone that raised some red flags in RVS

Cons of lynching wheme:
It will provide essentially no info due to not having enough interaction with other players
He hasn't done anything overly scummy
His slot as a whole is a hard read and maybe this low-effort posting we've seen is just how he plays before Mylo


He doesn't want to lynch Temporal. Sure this is NAI as scum would obviously not want to try and obviously lynch a PR, especially when they can role block them. But this also tells me that there's very little likelihood of him being the PR.

We have to lynch someone with a lot of interactions that we can look back on. Obviously my first choice is Cyrus due to how scummy I find him, but lynching Osaku (mainly for Robb at this point) would give us some clues on the flip. Lynching Temporal (which I know ain't gonna happen) would also give us clues. Lynching spangled would give us a ton of information. Lynching Sera would even possibly give us info, but I don't want to entertain that yet as I want to hear from the replacement first. Hell, even lynching me and being able to look at Robb vs Teacher, Red vs everyone, Thespio vs robb and Temporal, and Thespio + Cyrus would give a lot of info.

So at the end of the day, I can't and won't do a wheme wagon. It just provides us with nothing compared to pretty much any other lynch. And I won't do an Adorable wagon because I TR her too hard. I just need people to work with me, lets find someone to lynch. Or if you think you can connect some dots after I die, lynch me. We just need to get something done today because day one was a hot mess.

[eth0s]

am I really the only one that finds it so weird that every reads all of cyrus posts as being townie? also why does adorable not feel suspicious of cyrus when apparently one of her biggest scumtells is when someone is townread by like everyone? that applies to cyrus here

[eth0s]

I'm the only one pursuing him and everyone had him off the hook in D1 too

[eth0s]

Sera hasn't been online for 11 days and we know for sure she did not do the killing, eth0s subbed in day 2 and he hasn't caught up at the time and he wouldn't even know who to kill if he was scum.

Sera doesn't have to do any killing. Like I said before, either scum member can do it. She could have not been here at all for N1 and it wouldn't matter for the scum. Unless she is MRB in which case, assuming temporal is actually cop and was Rb'ed, this more or less confirms that sera can't be the mrb.

Also, this seems really cheap to say but when life hands you lemons...:

Isn't it impossible for Sera and I to be the scumteam? I mean even if temporal is lying about being a cop, Sera has shown no activity for like 12 days, and thespio requested replacement before n1, and I didn't replace in until right before n1 ended (and wasn't even online to see that I replaced in until after D2 began).

So it's all but confirmed that Sera and I cannot be scummates (though either one of us could still be scum) unless you don't believe me and think that scum!eth0s actually did log on in the 5 hour window that I was in the game during N1, and/or if you believe that scum!sera was still active in the mafia pt even after not being here for days on end.

[eth0s]

Also I don't like wheme's omgusing

[eth0s]

In case my reasoning in 1237 isn't clear. If you believe me that I didn't even confirm my role until D2 began, and you believe that Sera has been totally gone since her last post, then neither one of us would have been here to NK Cyan.

[eth0s]

I need to ISO wheme/phone0Ix, Adorable, Sera, and Osuka/Robb. I also need to revisit the things that I said I needed to revisit once I caught up. Man I forgot how much work this game is sometimes. lol

[eth0s]

connorcompton
Cyan Talon
TemporalLich (SE)
Robbnva (SE)

I think scumteam is between these people and i think temporal is most likeliest mafia here, least likeliest probably alpha m

I think Wheme is scum. I also forgot to mention these are the list of players Red thinks are the scum team and Wheme agreed with Red's list of scum team players and some of the players listed as the scum team doesn't make sense because Robb and Temp have been scum reading each other. Wheme agreeing with Red looked like he is scum.

Bad post

VOTE: Adorable

I don't think 1198 is a bad post, the vote smells like OMGUS to me.

whem is scared he will get lynchd so hes trying to wagon adorable insted

Actually I think it would be more likely for wheme to go on you to deflect attention from himself. But then he (coincidentally?) did vote on you in 1225..... Okay. I might be open to a wheme lynch today. Lemme do what I said I need to do in 1240 and I will make a better decision on that.

For now,
UNVOTE:

[eth0s]

an IC?

[eth0s]

I need to resort some of my reads. I would really rather wait until Sera gets replaced but I'm honestly starting to wonder if that's ever gonna happen

[eth0s]

Still looking for replacement...sorry about that

No worries. It's gotta be hard to replace someone in a 50 page long game on early D2...

[eth0s]

Honestly I'm wondering if we just lynch sera today and look at associates on the flip. Like I really don't know what else to do and I have read this game extensively and can't even form opinions on anyone anymore.

[eth0s]

because doctor claimed too LOL

[eth0s]

so helping others not look bad is scummy makes a note on this dont help others .

let people answer questions that are asked of them, don't do it for them. it's best that a townie scumhunt and defend himself when needed. Defending others is rarely a good idea and especially this early in the game.

[eth0s]

two mis lyches away from loseing so im trying to only look out for others

but you don't know who anyone else's role is.. unless?

[eth0s]

two mis lyches away from loseing so im trying to only look out for others

but you don't know who anyone else's role is.. unless?

Do you think Cyrus’s is scum cos of this?

I have had scum suspicions on cyrus ever since I read this game

[eth0s]

Temporal still making bad posts with bad logic, game still being hard to read, cyrus still being cyrus, wheme still defending cyrus. idk what's going on anymore
VOTE: cyrus62

[eth0s]

@temp who’d you investigate last night?

temp cant tell you cuse spangeld put them to l1 abd made her clim so scum has it to where temps useles and this is why i was so upset about spangled and sera running them up to l1 and forceing a clim basicly.

why are you still answering peoples questions

[eth0s]

by that I mean why are you answering questions directed at other people

[eth0s]

I have to be honest this is the least confident I think I have ever been in a game. and it's a serious PITA to reread due to post density :/

[eth0s]

this ones going on a month for two days i

yeah... this game feels stalled and we need to do something...

too bad people think you're scum who needs to be lynched

look who is stalling it ethos and spangled .

... the same people who want to vote you.

It's as if they're deliberately pushing your mislynch

Yeah we need to powerlynch Spangled

wtf two of us actually trying to lynch someone and we are the ones stalling it? you agree with that why? sigh

[eth0s]

Lich why do you constantly flip flop so hard and can't make up your mind about what is a good case and what isn't? you were just advocating on a spangled lynch because you said cyrus' case was good and now you say it isn't good. How are you supposed to be PR

[eth0s]

wtf two of us actually trying to lynch someone and we are the ones stalling it? you agree with that why? sigh

Still very weird why cyrus thinks you're stalling when I thought you were pushing a cyrus lynch (which I thought was on strong town at that time)

didn't you just agree with him and saying we were stalling or trying to push his mislynch?!?!

[eth0s]

How does temporal's blatant flip flopping come from town, and a PR at that? seriously

[eth0s]

the only 3 people that should be on the lynch table today are cyrus, temporal, and me

[eth0s]

maybe spangled could be lynched today but that's a compromise

p-edit same

2nd p-edit: mecause i have lots of interactions and the way I am criticizing a claimed pr all game could easily be seen as scum so my townflip would be beneficial to the town as far as information and seeing my perspective on temporal goes

[eth0s]

Lich why do you constantly flip flop so hard and can't make up your mind about what is a good case and what isn't? you were just advocating on a spangled lynch because you said cyrus' case was good and now you say it isn't good. How are you supposed to be PR

just because I have a reason to believe cyrus is scum now doesn't meant you get to call a claimed cop scum for flip flopping

what changed your mind all the sudden? He has done scummy shit all game and you now decide to change your mind? Also I have been calling you out for flip flopping all game.

[eth0s]

honestly temp what are you talking about? I didn't miss your claim at all and I still want you lynched. How isn't that a scumclaim for me? your inconsistency is baffling and I don't want to go to mylo with you no matter what your role is. So I am very close to pushing you as my top lynch at this point

[eth0s]

@spangled
no one should cc yet. that person would almost certainly die. so I'm just holding my breath that they're really out there and temp isn't the pr.

@temp your post literally makes no sense to me and I'm trying to think of what I could ask you to help it make sense and I am just drawing blanks.

[eth0s]

actually you know what? How did I shoot down the possibility of you being a scum fakeclaimer? That's literally been my feeling on you for as long as I can remember

[eth0s]

actually you know what? How did I shoot down the possibility of you being a scum fakeclaimer? That's literally been my feeling on you for as long as I can remember

Because no one counterclaimed

maybe i'm just tired but I don't understand how that means I shotdown the possibility of him fakeclaiming

[eth0s]

are you asking me for my second highest scumread?

[eth0s]

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON

[eth0s]

idk anymore man like i really just dont know. this game has actually made me sad now

[eth0s]

we need to not be a fractured town

Coming from you that’s really funny

my top read is eth0s so maybe he's gonna be useful in fixing the town and playing this game like it should be

how are you putting the weight on me when you haven't made a solid case on anyone, won't follow cases i make, and just throw your votes around willy nilly constantly

[eth0s]

@temp-since I have you here what are your reads looking like rn?

Here is my lead rist:

[Town]

eth0s
osuka
Emperor flippyNips
Spangled
Adorable
cyrus62
WhemeStar

why is it that you have voted for pretty much everyone in this game except for your apparent second to highest scumread

[Scum]

[eth0s]

^ebwop

@temp-since I have you here what are your reads looking like rn?

Here is my lead rist:

[Town]

eth0s
osuka
Emperor flippyNips
Spangled
Adorable
cyrus62
WhemeStar

[Scum]

why is it that you have voted for pretty much everyone in this game except for your apparent second to highest scumread

[eth0s]

putting the weight on me when you haven't made a solid case on anyone, won't follow cases i make, and just throw your votes around willy nilly constantly

you've answered your own question on why I'm putting the weight on you[/quote]
that is just factually false

[eth0s]

wow I am fucking up my quotes right now

[eth0s]

wow I am fucking up my quotes right now

[eth0s]

Honestly the worst part of this game to me right now is that temporal is probably town and my brain wont allow me to fully believe that. And everyone is townreading me which would make me feel like I'm doing a good job but there's scum TRing me too and that's influencing the town's thoughts, most likely. Like I can't even post in this thread anymore without confronting lich because every time I look at it he is making the most scummy/false points and it's distracting me, and probably the whole town. But I can't even gauge how much it's distracting the town because it's affecting me so badly. I'm actually stressed out and deadweight to this town.

[eth0s]

honestly at this point here's my brief thoughts...

[town]
me
spangled - either playing scum really well or just blatant town. he has said a few things that concern me but in the grand scheme of this game, this is the closest I can feel to a TR
wheme - idk man honestly his posts just read as genuine and he seems genuinely frustrated that more of us aren't suspicious of adorable's lacking case on him
temporal - idkidkidk pr claim that's all i got
emperor - i liked sera's posts but this is null to me now
osuka - robb was scummy and it feels like osuka has just been pocketing me. but he also makes points that townping me. but I'm kinda biased since he agrees with me on most everything
adorable - kinda weak points, sorta lurky and could quite easily be taking advantage of how distracted we are as town
cyrus - too concerned about his own image and the image of others. willing to sheep on a whim which sketches me out. But he honestly still shows a lot of signs of newb!town so I don't even feel good aout my top scumread LOL
[scum]

[eth0s]

Spangled, do you feel like Osuka is pocketing me?

[eth0s]

Adorable/osuka/wheme if cyrus flips green. I guess flippynips isn't off the table but I don't see osuka and adorable being scummates, nor do I see adorable and wheme being scummates. Spangled if you're scum then gg but I think if adorable is red then her partner is emperor, and if she's town then it's prob team osuka/wheme. Also I think I'm getting shot tonight

[eth0s]

Spangled and I are confirmed town, temporal is confirmed town until a CC.

It's almost certainly Osuka, but it could be adorable and there's a slight possibility of it being Adorable.

I'm really glad scum killed flippynips because he was dead null to me and didn't even want to catch up. I actually 99% anticipated to die last night. I should've been shot if scum wanted to win tbh

[eth0s]

It's almost certainly Osuka, but it could be adorable and there's a slight possibility of it being

wheme

.

ebwop^

[eth0s]

Sheep me town

[eth0s]

and sheep osuka

[eth0s]

and sheep osuka

I mean sheep spangled LOL. lynch osuka prob

[eth0s]

So, because cyrus flipped red and adorable wasn't the NK... Spangled is confirmed town?

nope. Spangled was early on the wagon when there was absolutely NO REASON to be busing Cyrus. There wasn't even a chance at a cyrus lynch until I put my all into it. the shit that cyrus said post hammer literally means nothing. BTW spangled has been towny as fuck all game

[eth0s]

Weird nightkill

Adorbale is prob town I was prob wrong

It was a very weird nightkill. I cannot work out who would have thought it was of advantage to them.

emperor didn't have much content so it really probably just was the fact that there arent any really useful associatives to be drawn from that, at least immediately

what i don't understand is how the fact that ethos is alive makes me scum (which i presume is the thought process there)

obviously because you were pocketing me and I called you out on it. Makes it way too obvious that you're scum if I died last night. Also I have seen your town play and you don't pocket people like that as town. There is more but I'll get into that soon enough.

[eth0s]

Spangled and I are confirmed town, temporal is confirmed town until a CC.

It's almost certainly Osuka, but it could be adorable and there's a slight possibility of it being Adorable.

I'm really glad scum killed flippynips because he was dead null to me and didn't even want to catch up. I actually 99% anticipated to die last night. I should've been shot if scum wanted to win tbh

excuse me but how are spangled and you confirmed? I fail to see any resemblance of logic here

I'll get to this. Until then you can speculate on my reasoning.

[eth0s]

VOTE: WhemeStar

Still as scummy as ever.

Sell me on scum!osuka, I still have a residual TR on osuka after osuka and eth0s seemed to melt together

but he was literally pocketing me LOL and if I didn't call him out on it I would be dead today.

[eth0s]

Weird nightkill

Adorbale is prob town I was prob wrong

It was a very weird nightkill. I cannot work out who would have thought it was of advantage to them.

emperor didn't have much content so it really probably just was the fact that there arent any really useful associatives to be drawn from that, at least immediately

But Sera did have a fair bit of content.
Did scum just forget that?

i think i've already said this somewhere in this game, but it's pointless to ask a player who replaced in about anything their slot did before they were in the game. The only thing that the original player and the player replacing in have in common (in terms of common knowledge) is the role pm. People can't read minds, and because of that it is really hard to justify asking emperor questions about whatever sera did and expecting and intelligent response.

robb was scummy as fuck and I made a great case as to why he and cyrus would be scumbuddies. Plus, adorable just made a pretty good point about it too in 1567. It certainly looks to me like you want us to act like the original slots never existed, which definitely benefits you because robb and cyrus were the original scumteam.

[eth0s]

Also, why has osuka been just kind of coasting this game, pocketing me, and generally avoiding hard confrontation until Cyrus was on the burner? and it picked up a lot today when people started to become even more suspicious on him?

The only reason I am alive today is because Osuka wants people to think he is town. Prove me wrong.

[eth0s]

Lich you really need to look at the bigger picture dude. If you're really town like I think you are, you need to stop making reads and votes based off of tiny slivers rather than ISOs and interaction. I know you wanted to sheep me yesterday and I basically spearheaded the wagon on Cyrus which turned out to be scum, so if you're town please fucking listen to what I'm saying.

[eth0s]

literally the only way that spangled is scum here is if he convinced cyrus that he(spangled) would have a better chance at winning without him(cyrus), cyrus agreed, and then spangled started a wagon (he was the first to vote cyrus) against him when he was essentially under 0 pressure. Then you have to assume that scumteam spangled and cyrus would have been ballsy enough to have cyrus call out spangled as being scum post-hammer.

Idk about you guys but there is absolutely no way that the events transpired that way fomr my perspective. ESPECIALLY after a no lynch day 1.

If this scenario is actually what's happening right now, I can't even be mad because that play would be so ballsy and glorious that I would just have to respect losing to it. Even in newbie queue.

[eth0s]

That leaves ethos adorbale osuka me

Am I missing anyone

why am I on the list doe

[eth0s]

Okay wheme. what do you think of this post then?

Why I am voting Cyrus, and why we should lynch him today.

1. Flip-flopping and nonsensical statements

Spoiler:

VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

this is low relevance but I still potentially see this as a taunt. My reasoning is further amplified after Cyan said this

So we should probably find something to spark discussion with.

Starting with, I'd like to actually express some doubts about Cyrus here. While I appreciate that he's towning up, the town game he previously mentioned shows him being all over the place with his words and actions. Oddly, I find him more organized in this game than in that one, and it's pinging a few alarms.

I'm not keen on voting him for just this, since it could also be a result of him improving and not being fed information by a partner, but I really don't know how someone suddenly goes from newbie spewer to town leader level in the interval of, like, 1 game.

This is probably the weakest of things to suspect someone from, but let's talk about Cyrus if it helps.

It seems cyrus genuinely does want feedback from Cyan, and when I first saw Cyan's flip I was like "oh, the taunt post I made about cyrus could be relevant here since he called out change in Cyrus' meta", but then it turns out Cyan basically screamed I'M A DOCTOR in 2 of his posts so this is probably not worth much as Cyan was destined to die after he claimed.

so basically what you're saying is that it's impossible to meta read you at this time

It is and it isn't. If you look at his game there, you actually get a peek at how he operates, which I'd say is along the lines of 'moderately unreasonable'.

He might be aware of his meta, he might also be a pretty weird player overall. Right now, I'm leaning on Cyrus being town as a carry-over from said game; there's just the idea that he's being too scummy to be scum that I had in said game, and honestly I'm feeling it here.

If anything is nagging me now, it's the moment he took charge of the town early (current) game before reverting back to his old self.

Notice that last line there. Somewhere between 382 and 762 cyan claims that the leadership part of Cyrus' play has started to disappear. Robb stopped regularly posting at 416 and replaced out entirely at 612. This is more circumstancial evidence that suggests maybe he was getting some advice from Robb in their PT. Is it a coincidence that 416 was rob's last game related post and in 438 cyrus mentions his V/LA? Robb stated that he was going on V/LA in the main thread and continued to stay active, but shortly after he stopped being active, Cyrus is speaking for him?

76 and 82 show cyrus being very attentive to rob's votecount, and perhaps overly cautious about it. 89 looks like cyrus playing mindgames. Pointing out something irrelevant to make someone else look towny while sort of hinting at being glad that rob is no longer L-1. 213 he is once again defending rob. Then once Cyrus made his post saying Rob is vla (which felt very awkward given his ISO, he starts kind of accusing robb in 474 and 476?

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.

Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?

Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?

Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.

i stated that rob was at l1 and he unvoted so i didnt have to do anything and i didnt vote him now did i

weird.

Then in his next posts (there are so many of them I am tired of linking them all, just look at his ISO) is when he starts kinda defending TemporalLich and agreeing that Spangled and Sera are rolefishing. Now, To me it didn't look like rolefishing at all. Temporal was playing scummy as fuck, and for some reason Cyrus wants to defend him. Which is why Temporal is my 2nd most likely scumpartner for Cyrus.Even if Temporal isn't scum, Cyrus could just be using the opportunity to pocket Temporal and look like he is preventing rolefishing to get towncred. Cyrus probably expected Temporal to get lynched at this point and either knew he would flip town and get towncred, or they are scumpartners and knew he wouldnt have to vote because TL told him he would claim a pr in their private thread.

Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...

I'm not rolefishing, Temporal, I'm convincing cyrus that a PR outing themselves and one scum doing the same isn't a bad trade.
In the worst case scenario, it is C1, and Temporal is a town PR and claims, and scum CC. We lynch Temporal, someone takes the NK, and then we lynch the scum the next day, and someone takes the next NK.
That leaves us at D3 with 1 scum and 4 town, and lots of associative reads. That isn't even MyLo.

do you see the rows if temp is cop we may just have 6 vt and then we lose are only pr

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

idk if this is actually sus or not but it feels like it to me after building this case on Cyrus.

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

misrepping and opportunism.

note i havent voted yet so yes you two got 2 points for that play and i wont vote till some one has 10 points

lol

ask your self this if i was scum why would i be pisst off about pr being found on day 1?

fixed

LAMIST and WIFOM

They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to

then lets hope theres a doc right other wise all this did was get a pr killed

lucky doctor guess? Probably irrelevant.

VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.

from 2 points to 10 points really quick eh?

scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .

clearly he equates lurking with being scum, and has made it a point to remind us multiple times how much he posts. LAMIST?

Also I really don't think arguing with Temp is going to get the town anywhere and just clutter up the thread- I'm going to break from the thread for a while unless anyone has any questions or cases against me; I'm happy to engage with either.

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

Lemme threaten to case you as a scum after I already voted for you? this goes back to one of my first major criticisms of cyrus on my catchup posts:

i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy

but in town play like you

i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to

prove that i am town like you and temp

so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

Wait did you just admit that Sera is playing like town and you're only voting her because she is suspicious of you? That's a BIG red flag.

If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.

let me ask you this why would scum care if you outed a pr. i am calming down now i was pisst off i don't like to lose. i can only sort so much on so little post in 9 days.

still lamist.

i honestly feel spangled was just scum hunting and maybe sera was too what makes me wonder is why did the new guy vote for after you climed pr and no one counter you

flips his perspective without explaining why. Still voting for Sera at this point too.

i wii make this know here and now im not okay with a cyan lynch so i will not vote them

gotta let us know he wont lynch the doctor claim?

VOTE: Cyan. after seeing i have no choise i vote cyan not that i wanted to

"oh wait actually I will lynch the doctor claim, even tho I made such a big deal about outing prs!"

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2. Reads

Spoiler:

i'm trying we still in page 6 and until the game is in full swing we wont have much to go on i think the best thing to do is maybe cast a vote on some one now and see where it leads. cyan didn't give me much of a response so i think that's how town would act. given it was rvs

"Do as I say, not as I do." His vote is still RVS on cyan at this point. He makes 43 more posts before he unvotes cyan (then lingers with no vote for 71 more posts until he votes Sera). Why does he say we should be voting on people and then doing the complete opposite?

why would i give reads on the 1st page when theres still people not yet to post dont be so hasty let others post then i can give reads.

Waiting to pocket reads? Maybe not... But he also waited until 16 days into the game to give a readslist, which would give him plenty of time to do so.

welcome so now the game can start now that every ones here

The game had already started...

i like to wait for every one to post once before i get out of rvs mode since then i can start reading players based on thire post content and how help for it is. and how many there is. as knowing this can help me find scum

Everyone had posted looong before he finally gave reads. Not incriminating by itself but he even said he was going to, under these conditions, but didn't.

so temp what are your reads so far and why?

asking for reads but still not posting his

not enough post from any one yet to form proper reads

almost 200 thread posts later, still no reads.

town
lich cop clime
cyan flip doc
spangled town
red null
rob scum lean
sera scum lean
me watcher
wenmester town lean
adoable townish

sorry to throse who replaced in i couldn't remember all your names yet but there is my read it took 16 days to get enough information to give a good read i dont just hand these out i study carefully and will do cases on why i find you scummy later on also pc isuse still happening but will keep playing though as much as i can looking to get a new charger soon.

almost 700 posts later lol and with no explanations given. He now townreads spangled and and townleans Whemestar? Weird.

Shooting Cyan (softed a PR) instead of me (a claimed cop) is some major blue liquid in front of me

he literally gave away his role 2 times. HIS EXACT ROLE. If you read the setup information post (2) then you would understand this

you seem to very smart i like your follow though and will most likely sheep your vote . this game is way to far over the place in a 16 day 1st day we should have been able to find all of scum and i get I'm not helping much i just felt it was super bad for us for both prs to out them selfs on d1 if you think lich isn't telling the truth am inclend to have faith in it. been having a pc issue for almost 10days now.

why want to sheep me already? he was nullreading my slot before I joined in and never even tried to interact with me before saying he would sheep me?

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3. Weird phone interactions

Spoiler:

its okay phone if you think hes scum vote for him i was just leting you know hes at l1

Innocent or trying to get another newb to do his bidding?

phone jumped off robs wagon when he heard it was l1 this shows town not wanting to get a lynch to fast

sus

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4. Trying to save his day one?

Spoiler:

no office intended Adorable but you do realize if you drag the day out and rob still gets lynch and flips scum instead of town you look bad right? just saying not ment to be harsh.

Robb/Osuka is one of my top suspects for being scum if Cyrus is, and this to me looks like cyrus either trying to scare Adorable into lynching him quickly (which would cut d1 short, not as bad as a long d1 scum lynch) or not lynching him at all (scum partner lives)

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5. Another random flip flop

Spoiler:

yea connar and phone could be scum maybe as of now both of them are bloging the game now

if you think about it phone and conner are helping us because the days paused so we have longer to find scum

quick change of heart?

Originally this was all going to be organized better but oh well. I had over 250 posts to go through from him alone. Anyway this is scum, and if it isn't, it's going to distract me too much because town!cyrus62 doesn't make sense. I want to get around to interacting with everyone and form some better reads and then lynch this guy.

[eth0s]

Okay I’m fine with lynching osuka

I mean there's no way you read that post in one minute

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

[eth0s]

Okay I’m fine with lynching osuka

I mean there's no way you read that post in one minute

I didn’t

I mean it'd be nice if you put in some effort. I thought you just isoed me, but you didn't even read that post? lol

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

I wanna vote you for this post

lol okay. I wanna see you make some actual effort in this game. Funny thing is you get to decide if either of us get what we want.

[eth0s]

Keep making low effort posts while obviously not even reading shit that you just claimed to read. That makes this game

soooo

easy to win if you're town...

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

I mean wheme can't even imagine a world in which temp isn't cop here. Maybe that is because Wheme knows the setup, is RB, and knows there must be a cop claim going uncc'ed? He officially just moved up to my 2nd lynch choice for the day

[eth0s]

but anyway
VOTE: osuka
80% sure this is scum

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

why are you still making reads when you obviously don't read half the game

[eth0s]

If he isn’t cop that means he’s scum

exactly..... you are answering your own question as to why osuka could possibly see emporer as scum.

btw Osuka would have shot me if he could've gotten away with it, would have shot spangled if the wifom situation that cyrus and osuka created wouldn't have likely come back to bite osuka, would never shoot adorable because she is too inconsistent and lurky, would never shoot temporal because town!him is the scummiest town player I have ever seen, and rb!osuka can just rb him and leave his chaotic flipping in the game until lylo, would never shoot wheme because you make zero effort and are easy to manipulate.

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

Because he was keeping quiet, maybe?
I have no idea.

...Although if Temp wasn’t a PR, surely he’d be scum right eth0s?

Thank you

yeah but all game you are convinced he is pr why exactly?? I mean he probably is but you don't even question it, even given his scummy behavior.


BY THE WAY IF ANYONE CC'S PR TODAY THEY EAT ROPE. AND SOMETIMES IN VERY DESPERATE SITUATIONS, VT CLAIMING PR CAN BE A USEFUL STRAT. BUT DO NOT FUCKING DO THAT THIS GAME. ESPECIALLY NOT TODAY. A CC WINS US THE GAME, OTHERWISE IT IS 99% BETWEEN OSUKA, WHEME, AND ADORABLE UNLESS SPANGLED IS TRULY A GOD AT MAFIA.

[eth0s]

There's only 2 reasons someone would fakeclaim PR on day one. Either they are VT and scared and don't realize the implication of their actions on the future of the game, or they are scum who know they will eventually die but are backed into a corner and hope it will buy them time. So, no, Temporal lich isn't certainly scum if not cop, but from what I understand of Temp, he very likely would be. But scum wouldnt fakecounterclaim the cop role today, there is almost no way they survive something like that. So a real CC today wins us the game if we lynch both cop claimers, unless you think that lich would actually claim as VT, which I really don't see happening personally.

[eth0s]

Also wheme I don't give a singular fuck about what you think until you address my case on cyrus and tell me what you think about it. I'm done defending myself against a low effort player like you.

[eth0s]

a CC in mylo or lylo is the only time scum would CC and have any real chance at winning this game now btw. Unless town actually would think that temporal would claim as vt. that's literally the only thing that would allow a scum to win after ccing in mylo/lylo

[eth0s]

he would of been cc'd a long time ago if he wasn't cop.

Not necessarily.
CCing hasn’t been all that beneficial to town this game, but it is most now.

Since when is it beneficial to not cc

uh, since there is an rb in the game that can make sure the pr is blocked until they die, and they can almost 100% know the claimer is scum and never side with their wagon, and use the silent knowledge of who is scum to PoE who their buddy is?

[eth0s]

A VT should never claim PR in a newbie game

Im pretty sure lich knows this

okay? so we agree then. great.

[eth0s]

if there's really a cop in this game that isn't temp, logically they would have targeted him last night. Then the result of that would have came out today. Then town wins in 2 more phases max assuming temp would be scum in this scenario. Or, the real cop sees that temp is actually VT, thinks he's a dumbass for claiming cop, but doesn't pursue him because.... they know he is a VT.

[eth0s]

sorry, the result only becomes if the cop sees that temp is scum, or if the real pr is under immense pressure or about to be lynched. Otherwise the real cop stays silent and lets temp keep getting RBed while looking for the real scum each night.

[eth0s]

sorry, the result only becomes if the cop sees that temp is scum, or if the real pr is under immense pressure or about to be lynched. Otherwise the real cop stays silent and lets temp keep getting RBed while looking for the real scum each night.

I mean "the result only becomes

public

if the cop sees that temp is scum"

[eth0s]

I'm trying to see how osuka is confirmed scum because of the Emp nightkill but I just can't see it.

for the record osuka is already at L-1 somehow, I can put osuka in the tent if necessary

it isn't about the emp kill. He is already basically proven scum before that. I'm just showing why he landed on that night kill. The night kill didn't prove to me that he was scum or really even have that much of a bearing on my read on Osuka

[eth0s]

temp needs to hammer, not adorable. and if this flips green tomorrow Wheme/adorable need to eat rope or we lose. I prefer wheme at this point.

[eth0s]

btw if this is green then we are in mylo tomorrow and that is the perfect opportunity for scum to fakeCC pr, so if you are PR and are convinced that temp is lying, speak now or your cc tomorrow means less than nothing.

[eth0s]

Sorry i mean if you are convinced that temp is SCUM. If you are PR and know that temp is scum then say something before the hammer. Any CC post hammer or tomorrow should be read with intense scrutiny

[eth0s]

The thing is, Osuka is scum. I already basically proved it. Cyan helped plant the seed indirectly, but Osuka just has to be the fucking scum. if it's wheme then I'm just mad that his low effort got him this far, if it's adoralbe then kudos on mostly flying under the radar, if it's temporal then the real PR goofed bad, and if it's spangled that was some 10/10 long haul strategy on busing cyrus like that.

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

this is stupid

suppose im scum. killing you is "bad" because you said something about me pocketing you. hence, if you die that must mean im scum
not killing you is "bad" because we find ourselves in the current situation. Do you see how in your universe, there's no right choice for scum osuka? This is a horseshit argument because the inverse of it works, which means that none of it really should work at all

Dw if you flip green i will try my best to get him lynched

no matter how osuka flips the town will sheep me over you any day. so prepare for hell if you decide to go that route buddy

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

this is stupid

suppose im scum. killing you is "bad" because you said something about me pocketing you. hence, if you die that must mean im scum
not killing you is "bad" because we find ourselves in the current situation. Do you see how in your universe, there's no right choice for scum osuka? This is a horseshit argument because the inverse of it works, which means that none of it really should work at all

Dw if you flip green i will try my best to get him lynched

no matter how osuka flips the town will sheep me over you any day. so prepare for hell if you decide to go that route buddy

you clearly arent capable of commenting on or even reading a case I made on robb/osuka and cyrus. What makes you think you can make a case against me that more townies will agree with? LOL

[eth0s]

You also claimed to ISO dive me and didn't even read the fucking case. If you're scum you're digging your own grave. Because there's zero chance that I buy the "too scummy to be scum" shit from you

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

Because he was keeping quiet, maybe?
I have no idea.

...Although if Temp wasn’t a PR, surely he’d be scum right eth0s?

this is also stupid

there is a universe in which lich is scum and scum thought floppy was town pr, but it is definitely not this one

pedit:
you basically proved what? your push is pretty bad, ngl
spangled's vote could very well have been distancing
wheme hasn't been playing a particularly low effort game

most of the shit you've thrown at the wall is constructed to make it sound like you have a case, when in fact you have an assortment of things that have happened that aren't particularly alignment indicative for anyone in the game

pedit 2:
1658 doesnt come from town
VOTE: eth0s

nice last ditch effort, I will give you that

[eth0s]

I honestly will not be mad at all if cyrus lolhammers this "

[eth0s]

- ethos, who basically spearheaded a flashtrain based on the fact that he's alive so i must be scum;

lol the last ditch misrep. I want you to try and tell me why 1112 is wrong

- spangled, which has been hardpocketed by ethos;

I literally convinced spangled to scumread cyrus, even if he did vote for him first

again, nice try, really.

*whistles for temp*

[eth0s]

Also, my views this game differed from spangled's greatly. The funny thing is that as they started to become more aligned, that is mostly due to spangled's views changing and therefore agreeing with mine, not mine changing to agree with him.

This is the great thing about pressuring scum. especially with time implications. They start to spout out whatever they think will prevent them from a likely quick loss, no matter how flawed the logic is.

[eth0s]

If osuka was town he wouldn't be misrepping me or trying to falsely claim that I am pocketing spangled right now. He also wouldn't be attacking me for spearheading the wagon on him (esp after he wagoned me before), he would be defending himself and trying to present some logic that gave us a better wagon. Instead he feels the pressure of L-1 and mounting evidence, with a threat to quickhammer, so he is posting now and thinking of excuses later (in the case that he actually gets himself out of a hammer here)

[eth0s]

LOL honestly townpoints to wheme for that. Osuka, why did cyrus say that about spangled at the end of day1? I know you wouldn't put him up to it, did he even warn you in the PT?

[eth0s]

this is really stupid

how have i misrepped 1112? And why are we talking about your case on cyrus if you're talking about lynching me? Your views have differed from spangled's and yet right now they do not even in the slightest.

then show me where mine changed to align with his, since that is how I would pocket him

[eth0s]

Honestly this was a fun game. Even though it was stressful at times. Kant believe he really thought that keeping me and spangled alive was the best move tho. Night 2 definitely should have killed one of us. Oh well. Who would have thought the game would turn out like this though? Seriously lol

[eth0s]

Nah adorable, I counted 4 votes.

[eth0s]

*whistles again*

[eth0s]

TEMP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST SHEEP ME AND DROP THE HAMMER AND IF IM WRONG YOU CAN LYNCH ME TOMORROW AND I WONT EVEN FIGHT IT

[eth0s]

Yeah but on the off chance that this wagon is now ruined that means adorable is definitely town lol

[eth0s]

what motivation would scum have to call out a fakehammer on an extremely fast and aggressive wagon on a player that is pretty much scumread by everyone in the game?

[eth0s]

it just sounds like unneeded attention that could potentially derail a fast lynch and fast day end

[eth0s]

If osuka flips town its wheme or spangled but way more likely wheme

[eth0s]

Sorry I got home from work yesterday and saw my scum game ended, chatted with them in post game, and fell asleep while doing so lol. I guess adorable scum isnt impossible but it's very unlikely. And like I said any pr cc tomorrow should 99% not be trusted

[eth0s]

Pretty sure town wins with osuka dead though. Kinda unfortunate for him because I made a really good case on cyrus robb scumteam (which no one seemed to agree with )

[eth0s]

gg

[eth0s]

Haha robb thought he was being slick by what I can see in the Mafia PT. And Cyrus really was taunting cyan at the beginning like I thought. Feelsgood

[eth0s]

He made some obvious mistakes though. And the Cyrus Robb pair was pretty clear imo esp after the cyrus flip.

[eth0s]

I remember someone saying cyrus might be scary as mafia lol

He played pretty well as newb!scum... but there were just a few things that made me realise that he was probably scum, ISOing. Mostly a higher than average number of game-advancing-contentless posts.

the fact that he was a self-proclaimed spammer and also trying to use his high game activity to call himself town was a big red flag

[eth0s]

he was being such an asshole lol esp to cyrus in the scum pt. even breaking site rules with personal attacks.

[eth0s]

I see cyrus is really upset at the timers being stalled but... there was never a full list of people here until near the end of the game. It's unfortunate for both alignments tbh