Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[TemporalLich]

Hello! I'm your resident SE!

What's your experience with Mafia?

[TemporalLich]

Hello there.

I've played one scum game here, and none town, thus I'm quite inexperienced - I'll do my best though
Yourself?

I've played a few games here, and have tried epicmafia once.

[TemporalLich]

I'm getting a mild townping from cyrus... seems honest and modest.

[TemporalLich]

What have you played outside of the Newbie Queue?

Mostly theme games, with one normal

[TemporalLich]

What about the sun?

[TemporalLich]

eh it's D1 and not everyone has posted yet.

I don't really scumread anyone but I need an RVS vote.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

[TemporalLich]

but I need an RVS vote.

Why do you think this?

encourages activity or something or other

[TemporalLich]

if you are town, you just fucked up cause I am not un-voting you until you are dead.

and I officially declare my RVS vote no more.

VOTE: Robbnva

[TemporalLich]

Lich, I appreciate it but there is some background here that I’m not proud of. Kindly don’t stoke the fire and let him respond to me one way or the other?

oh ok

[TemporalLich]

I claim cop. My n0 redcheck is on somebody called phone..? Lets wagon him. How can I vote them?

You can vote using vote tags:

Code: Select all

[vote]put the player's name here[/vote]

Also I think you just claimed scum...

[TemporalLich]

I highly doubt Cyrus is scum regardless of Robb's alignment

[TemporalLich]

I'm not convinced anyone else could be scum tbh

Adorable seems towny

[TemporalLich]

Here's a preliminary lead rist:

[Town]

cyrus62

- easily the town leader, ISO feels great

Adorable

- has a decent case on town!robb in 85

Spangled

- a few posts, but I give a weak TR here

RedFlavor

- eh, not feeling much here

Cyan Talon

- I'm not feeling anything here

connorcompton

- I can't be expected to read a player based on one single post

Phone0Ix

- Scum claimer (see 42) and self-voter

Robbnva

- I'm just gonna say Robb is scum

[Scum]

[TemporalLich]

W-wat

No idiot would self-vote for RVS and claim to be the cop at the same time. Ph0enix, please do something a little more useful.

he also said he had a n0 guilty... on himself

[TemporalLich]

yeah I'm not willing to vote phone right now, he's only so low on the lead rist for accidentally claiming scum.

the benefit of the doubt is a useful tool sometimes

[TemporalLich]

And why am I scum? I haven’t done a single scummy thing.

eh your newer posts are towny I guess

but phone is a bad vote so I'm not shifting votes rn

[TemporalLich]

And why am I scum? I haven’t done a single scummy thing.

eh your newer posts are towny I guess

but phone is a bad vote so I'm not shifting votes rn

So you have no reason for scum reading me
Have an actual reason to scum read phone

Refuses to vote phone...

Interesting

post 34 is why I SR you

[TemporalLich]

Too late. You blew your chance

wolfy response

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: connorcompton

Not too much feeling Robb scum anymore. Phone is still a bad vote.

[TemporalLich]

When I’m gone please pay attention to the back tracking by temporal. He doubled down on me but now two people are advocating I could be town and he backs down without a fight or without any reasons

never mind...

VOTE: Robbnva

[TemporalLich]

lol just give up and claim scum already

You're just trying to get me to prematurely claim.

It makes no sense for me to claim when it is D1 and

nobody has voted me yet.

[TemporalLich]

lol just give up and claim scum already

You're just trying to get me to prematurely claim.

It makes no sense for me to claim when it is D1 and

nobody has voted me yet.

Now somebody has. So you’re going to admit you are scum now?

As if one vote by scum is going to intimidate me.

[TemporalLich]

I said I wasn't claiming at D1 with zero votes on me. I'm not falling for that trap.

[TemporalLich]

You can call a 360 a 180 all you want, but that 360 was from the two people having cases for town you and then you giving me a wolfy response.

[TemporalLich]

So yeah, I was wrong for having doubts on Robb scum.

Thought the case in 126 was a valid one.

p.edit: you know denying that you're scum is technically a claim right?

p.p.edit I agree, Robb is trying to rolefish.

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A. Your response was wolfy because I feel your intention is to take something potentially scummy and call me scum over it. This is only confirmed by your supposed trap about me not denying I am scum.

B. There is a thing called "doubt" and my expression of doubt on your SR was met with your response. So instead of a 180 of me thinking you could be townie, I go the whole 360 back to SRing you.

[TemporalLich]

If you're expecting me to claim you're not getting a claim from me right now.

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Phone is probably town for meekly unvoting Robb after being pointed out it was L-1

Not sure who FL is in this game but I would rather vote an actual scumread (even if the reasoning is nonsense) over a singleposter

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Like ignoring my anger towards teacher and phone which are legitimate, the stuff I posted about why temoral is scum is probably the best reason anyone has given this far.

His “360” nonsense and his refusal to explain himself are hands down the scummiest things I’ve seen

I've already explained why. 126 and gut feeling caused me to doubt my scumread on you (which is mostly due to the interaction shown in 34), but 160 has negated my doubt. The fact 162 and 165 exist only further cement my SR of you.

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so if im right robs at l1 right? so we should tell others not to vvote untill intent is given chance to defend and let him clami . other wise it counts as a quick hammer no?

I am fairly sure Robb is at L-2, hopefully a VC will come soon

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When I’m gone please pay attention to the back tracking by temporal. He doubled down on me but now two people are advocating I could be town and he backs down without a fight or without any reasons

Like he said this negated my read.

Why?

He did exactly what I said he did. Why is pointing out the truth suspicious?

I see scum motivation from that post. You're trying to paint me as LHF so you can get me lynched.

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You're trying to paint me as LHF so you can get me lynched.

Bullshit.

Scum hunting involves finding suspicious things and pointing them out. You scum read me cause I scum hunted you.

You’ve done no scum hunting

in your universe that may be correct but in mine I've tried to give reads but found a lot of townies, cyrus still being my top read

p.edit are you talking about 34?! It's blindingly obvious who you're trying to get lynched in that post.

[TemporalLich]

p.edit are you talking about 34?! It's blindingly obvious who you're trying to get lynched in that post.

You just said that post I made was painting you as lhf to get you lynched but I wasn’t trying to get you lynched.


Liar liar

oh you're talking about 160. Scum motivation is you painting me as lhf and trying to get me lynched, town motivation is you scumcasing me because I dropped and un-dropped a read in the course of a few posts (which still doesn't gel with me) which is still trying to get me lynched

[TemporalLich]

since the scum/town motivation are pretty much the same, I guess that means 160 is actually NAI?

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Scum motivation is you painting me as lhf and trying to get me lynched

But I wasn’t trying to get you lynched.

So what’s your excuse now scum?

I shouldn't have picked up your SR so easily, but you still call me scum and act like I'm confirmed scum.

Let me try to scumhunt now.

[TemporalLich]

Seriously town deserves to lose.

if this is ever town I will be shocked

[TemporalLich]

gonna shift my vote because I'm thinking TL/Robb is TvT and because of 243 maybe.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Reading his ISO, 177's read on cyrus doesn't feel genuine and the rest feels lukewarm. Mulling between this and RedFlavor (entire ISO is lukewarm at best) tbh.

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I'm not sure what Robb wants me to admit but I will at least say the post I thought was trying to get me lynched is probably NAI (and seems like an observation)

Either way it's best for the town for me to disengage from this pointless argument.

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Um I implied 160 probably isn't you trying to get me lynched regardless of alignment despite what I said earlier

[TemporalLich]

Regardless, it's best for your vote to be on who you think is the scummiest right now, shifting might be waffling but being afraid to change votes is scummy as heck

[TemporalLich]

But bear in mind this is D1. Keep in mind it's better to vote a meh read if you.have no scumreads than to be not voting at all. The D1 lynch provides valuable info.

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Yeah connorcompton still only has one post, and phone should try more. I'm not willing to put pressure votes when there is a mild SR but if you have no reads consider a pressure vote.

Robb's vote I'm fairly sure is not a bad vote.

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Everyone is scum reading Robb except for two players. I was hoping to hear from Connor but he never came back and this slot will probably get mod killed or subbed out.

Cyan looks like he is just following other players scum reading Robb which looks sus and normally scum follow other players.


VOTE: Cyan Talon

Fixed

Not entirely true; if you look at the chain of two posts I made earlier, you cn see that I noted that even though his tunnel-like behavior is suspicious, he has a fair point against TemporalLich.

fair enough

[TemporalLich]

Not sure what you mean by 'lukewarm' so I'm making assumptions here:

If you think my behavior has been passive so far, I can't really argue with that. I'm not all that great at forming deductions or making reads when compared to other players with similar levels of experience. So far, it's only D1, and I generally do most of my thinking on later phases where I have more information to work with. That, plus ongoing medical issues, is hindering my play ability as of now.

I'm aware this post probably reeks of AtE, but this is the best explanation I can offer.

yeah I meant meh and not very spicy.

That being said I will switch my vote again again because you haven't warmed up yet.

VOTE: RedFlavor

[TemporalLich]

Cases are scummy and im lazu

Ironically this statement is scummy

[TemporalLich]

At this point RedFlavor might actually be scum, who has me in his scumteam list because I'm still an easy lynch apparently

[TemporalLich]

we can still play this game though

p.edit hello red

[TemporalLich]

the game is stagnating so here's a question

Spangled, Temporal and Cyrus are town

Change my mind

care to explain these reads?

otherwise I might think you're scum trying to pocket those people

[TemporalLich]

i have to ask red why is temp scum and temp why is red scum or phone scum for that matter

... you know Red literally said cases are scummy right?! That's indicative of refusing to effort and honestly not playing naturally.

I'm meh-reading Phone right now, I'd prefer if he explained his reads so I know he isn't trying to pocket me or you or spangled.

p.edit

1. phone looked like town making a mistake to me back then so I'd rather vote a conflicted read
2. yeah, but it didn't fully mitigate my SR. Townreads and scumreads are not mutually exclusive
3. phone looked like town making a mistake to me back then so I'd rather vote a conflicted read

[TemporalLich]

Eh RedFlavor is currently my only SR... mostly for that though so if it is a PL I honestly don't have anything better.

[TemporalLich]

I think this game should still be played

[TemporalLich]

I still think redflavor is scum, cyan is seeming more townier

[TemporalLich]

not discounting phone scum yet, but still feels too early

[TemporalLich]

Meh I really wish Phone posted more... I'm getting worried phone is scum.

[TemporalLich]

temp we do need more to go by

yeah phone hasn't posted anything since 326

[TemporalLich]

i got hung in my 1st game becuse the tracker didnt know that cyrus went no where ment he was town

That's... not a 100% clear.

[TemporalLich]

I'm tentatively assuming Sera is town... but I strongly disagree cyrus could be scum.

cyrus only said red thinks phone is town and that I think red is scum, nothing about cyrus having any proper reads.

Don't see anything that would contraindicate a cyrus/spangled scumteam besides those two being high TRs. It's still outlandish, but it's not like a red flip from one makes the other confirmed town.

The interaction with me and Robb is said to be TvT because it went to a point where we were pretty much hard bussing each other.

but yeah I'm inclined to hard TR cyrus

[TemporalLich]

Just saw I got to L-1 and then instead of being put in the tent I'm taken off L-1. I'm not claiming yet.

[TemporalLich]

Just saw I got to L-1 and then instead of being put in the tent I'm taken off L-1. I'm not claiming yet.

I mean, I unvoted solely to make sure no lolhammer shenanigans went on and gave you time to respond to the in-thread arguments or claim. Choosing to do neither isn't really the best look...

VOTE: Sera Masumi

your vote is wolfy then

[TemporalLich]

1. You think scum would really write that 388-400 exchange together? Because I don't.
2. I believe I linked the post where Cyrus indicates that he doesn't have reads because the game isn't giving him that much information? (#374, he also says we have "no leads" in the post I quoted).

1. That interaction seems NAI to me.
2. I agree but I don't think that's at all AI

Also Temp why do you think I'm town now?

I gave you a null-townlean read since I thought your catch-up was promising.

Ok.

Follow-up: Why?

if you're trying to rolefish, you're trying to look townier than you should be.

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My Sera Scum-countercase I guess:

Phone gave me the impression of town failing hard at fakeclaiming, to the point of accidentally claiming scum (i.e. he claimed Cop with a n0 guilty on himself). Scumclaims are scummy but I'm not tunneling the newbie for it.

159 was from doubt fostered by people townreading Robb. connor was pretty low on my readlist for basically not being in the game.

I'm not sure why 161 is still being used to attack me. If doubts are a bad thing to have, then I should hard SR Robb instead. 163 was because I was being attacked for having doubts and acting like I'm scummy scum, and then the whole "I claimed scum" business happened. That's -10% me being scum in a SvT interaction.

Sera, you can believe refusing to give cases is a "playstyle" all you want, but it is deliberately anti-town and I want no part in it. Attacking the reasoning I gave in 340 is not only not towny, but might indicate Sera is scum with RedFlavor.

343 is deliberately misrepresenting facts. 270 was my vote at that time. And asking someone to explain their reads is not posturing. And "if it is a PL I honestly don't have anything better." is null-scum at worst, my vote's still on my bottom read at least.

I'm pretty confident Sera is scum.

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2. I agree but I don't think that's at all AI

You think that flows well at all with basically everything else he's posting?

Actually it kinda looks out of place in Spangled's ISO a bit. cyrus's ISO looks fine though.

What was promising about it?

It was an actual catchup with decent reads...

Right now, you're somebody that is effectively at L-1. As somebody at L-1, you have two main options available to you:

1. Get the wagon off you without claiming by responding to criticisms
2. Claim and persuade people to look elsewhere.

That is where we are. I explicitly gave you the option of doing 1 and not 2, maybe there are persuasive counterarguments to the things being raised that I just haven't thought of. But you need to do

something

, and I gave you the space to do that something. So, you know, do it?

You don't get to intimidate me by acting like I'm in the tent when I'm only at L-2. Either you can have me at L-2 or L-1. You don't get to put me in a superposition of both voting states.

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You don't get to intimidate me by acting like I'm in the tent when I'm only at L-2. Either you can have me at L-2 or L-1. You don't get to put me in a superposition of both voting states.

That isn't really how "I'm unvoting just so that you don't get lolhammered, you're functionally at L-1" works but ok.

Either way I'm not in the tent yet.

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Wait, you found me scumreading you, somebody else you've been proclaiming town all game, townreading your main scum suspect, giving a town-lean to phone who you are now intimating is quite plausibly scum, to be "decent reads"? Why? What was decent about them?

This isn't gelling for me at all, as you can see.

The effort for an opening post that is asterisked with "Will be on a plane tomorrow, so catch-up post might not be until Tuesday if I end up sleeping all night, which I probably will." is staggering.

You did SR cyrus which is very off-putting but at least you gave a case and thought.

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I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

I am not claiming until L-1 with intent to hammer.

[TemporalLich]

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

I am not claiming until L-1 with intent to hammer.

you realize if you say pr your get hammerd becuse the other wont say nothing so theres not a nk so either or they will still hammer you and say its towny and when you flip town like i think you will they will go for another myslych .

If I'm in the tent there's nothing that's gonna save me, so claiming will at least buy me the rest of D1.

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I've made a Sera countercase in 466.

I flop-flipped on Robb because I showed doubt then got attacked for it in a scummy way.

Red seemed like scum for refusing to effort and honestly not having a good ISO, I said if it was a PL I didn't have any better vote (and a PL is better than No Lynch on D1).

Sera is scum, you can read my countercase for why I SR sera and the vote on me is wolfy because Sera wants me to be on L-1 and not be on L-1 at the same time which is not natural at all.

I'm not claiming without intent.

[TemporalLich]

yeah robb acting like I claimed scum is so forced it hurts

[TemporalLich]

The fact there's no resistance on my wagon means I might be done for.

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if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

should I be interpreting this as intent?

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Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...

[TemporalLich]

if me saying dont pr hunt is scummy then this town doesngt understand the way the game works .

Gonna have to agree, rolefishing is scummy.

[TemporalLich]

What on Earth are you even talking about? There's two players out of 9 actively pushing against your lynch as hard as they can right now! In the last two pages!

There's no counterwagon.

Cyrus being against my wagon isn't going to derail the wagon.

[TemporalLich]

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

[TemporalLich]

But it is resistance. I hate to play a semantics game but you're dodging the truth of Sera's statement.

Yeah I will concede on that, but I don't think I have a chance of surviving to D2.

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i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to gain the advantage scum would have had regardless.

in that case I guess I did what I had to do.

[TemporalLich]

cyrus, I want Temporal's opinions, especially since we're treating him as conf!town.
And what we did only helped scum, in the long run, true, but there's a flip side; we thought Temporal was scum, and wanted to lynch him.
And if he was scum and we lynched him, then that would have been good in the long run; better even than this was bad.

a D1 PR lynch is really bad, but not as bad as a D1 No Lynch

Gonna provide a readlist soon

[TemporalLich]

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

I can't help but TR cyrus. He's been a major factor in the town and in my decisions.

Cyan Talon is giving me fresh new insights that I feel come from a good place.

Adorable I can gel with but there is high scum equity (whatever that is) in her ISO.

Robbnva is townlean to me mainly due to his TvT interaction with me

I don't gel with Spangled but he isn't on my scum radar.

RedFlavor has been refusing to effort, not even trying to effort, and is in danger of being pinged rn.

Sera Masumi thinks refusing to effort is NAI (it's anti-town since it hurts the town by denying info and it's easier for scum to not effort), tries to put a Schrödinger's vote on me, multiplies by 1.5 when I push that as scummy to push my claim, and I don't get why Sera scumreads cyrus.

[TemporalLich]

Why do these things make me scum?

Also I scumread Cyrus because overall I find the interactions with your wagon insincere and inconsistent with things he has said in the past, a lot of his posts come across as slightly forced to me, I find the suggestion to lynch my slot before I was even replaced incredibly suspicious, and I consider his comment about you being our "only PR" a potential slip.

I'm for lynching Talon, to be honest. I prefer a Cyrus lynch but if I'm not getting that, then Talon has kinda just.... been here all game and is the player I'm getting the least positive vibes about, to be honest. I'm also willing to lynch RedFlavor though I would much prefer Talon.

Calling scummy things NAI is a poor way of defending a player.

The vote doesn't feel town-motivated at all, I feel it's scummy in trying to rolefish me and manipulate me.

Yeah the comment about me being the only PR can be explained as a scumslip but to me it just seems out of place. But I disagree cyrus is forced.

I'm not voting Cyan Talon.

VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.

Yeah I really despite how Sera uses the vote to strongarm a claim out of me. Though Spangled was first to L-1 me.

[TemporalLich]

spangled was lead by her to do so

at this point I'm confident in saying Sera should be powerlynched

[TemporalLich]

what come on im bored right now lynch me then if you so sure im scum then when i flip town maybe your realize a 2nd time i dont lie .

Maybe you'll realize that dying for the sake of it is never a good thing for you or your team.

agreed, especially if everyone agrees you're town

[TemporalLich]

@mod: What is the current deadline?

[TemporalLich]

Aye, but he's asking how long the timer has left in its' paused state.

indeedy

[TemporalLich]

This game will probably still exist

[TemporalLich]

I have a conflicted read on osuka, the catchup is towny but the vote on me doesn't seem town-motivated

[TemporalLich]

can we get a vote count and where is the deadline

See 649

[TemporalLich]

day is takeing way to long but at least we can find scum lich do you still feel thorse who forced a pr to ouut them selfs on day one was scum

I would say Sera and Spangled have a scum case against them for causing me to mediumclaim, but Sera's way of getting me to claim is transparently openwolfing.

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But you could be helping scum.

Spangled this paranoia is entirely unreasonable

[TemporalLich]

my thoughts on the two new players:

osuka is towny, WhemeStar may be scum

[TemporalLich]

The deadline is less than 3 days now.

My compromise lynches are RedFlavor and Spangled, still voting Sera right now

[TemporalLich]

yeah, I'm staying on Sera.

[TemporalLich]

what's your feeling on WhemeStar then?

[TemporalLich]

No... no other thoughts?
Why is Cyan scum, first?

Pedit:
Phew I thought you were leaving it there.

I don’t make cases sry bud

VOTE: WhemeStar

seriously?

[TemporalLich]

OMGUS ain't always good TL.

I'm not OMGUSing Wheme, Wheme literally said "I don’t make cases sry bud"

[TemporalLich]

Cases are boring and scummy

no they aren't, they give town a reason to follow your reads, and can be useful to catch scum

[TemporalLich]

Idk spangled just read Cyans iso dude is so neutral on everything and hasn’t placed one vote all game

Just screams scum too me

alright I think I can agree with this case. Yeah, no vote is scummy AF.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Sera is still a worthy lynch

[TemporalLich]

TL I don't think Wheme's refusal to effort is scummy, but it is somewhat antitown.
But scum don't generally tend to not effort, I think; it would draw too much attention to do it outright and talk about it. So they do it without talking about it. Wheme is talking about it. Sure, that doesn't make him any smarter, but it does make him a little more towny.

I think I can agree, yeah trying to openwolf now would be suicide

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Aye, I think it would.
I do have a question though - how do scum normally go about openwolfing? How do they survive that; do they ever?
And why would scum do that?

openwolfing is when you act transparently scummy (i.e. it is obvious you are being scummy).

I see WIFOM as a major reason to do it, but I don't think it seems safe. Then again I'm just TemporalLich and not a scumhunting god.

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Osuka why would I be openwolfing?

[TemporalLich]

Especially when I don't even need to red check openwolves to know they're scum

[TemporalLich]

why would I be openwolfing?

that's my question to you

I wouldn't openwolf on D1, I'd surely be lynched

[TemporalLich]

yeah sera is still my vote

[TemporalLich]

yeah sera is still my vote

meanwhile, you're still on me

Let me ask a question here. Would you rather have me or Sera lynched as of now, and why?

oh right... I'm going to say either works, neither feels town motivated to me

[TemporalLich]

I'm split between Sera and Cyan, my vote is currently on Cyan

[TemporalLich]

cyan it is, it's easier for me to not shift my vote

[TemporalLich]

What are the pros and cons of no lynch D1?

Pros:

Power roles get to act?

Cons:

Town loses valuable info that is gained by a mislynch or scum lynch
The game goes to evens and it becomes harder to obtain lynches
Scum still get a nightkill so a D1 NL goes to pretty much D1 with a strong townie dead

[TemporalLich]

why would a towny want a no lynch?

they don't

[TemporalLich]

case of cyan:

177/178 felt towny to me

he was passive in early D1, 269 acknowledges that

334 isn't indicative of efforting

353 is relatable

382 doesn't feel like a good reason to SR cyrus imo

567 can either be towny or scummy, but never null

733 is a good point

737 seems a little unfair

814 is a really bad post, I can't discern Cyan's reads and this post is just salt in the wound

Cyan Talon has

still

yet to vote

My SR is modest, but still an SR. Cyan looks towny at a quick glance, but... cyan hasn't given any useful information

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TIL cyan's top read is

Sera

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VOTE: Sera Masumi

I don't agree with Cyan's read on Sera at all, but Cyan's reads seem to come from a town mindset

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but I have a feeling Cyan could be pocketing Sera

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I am still willing to vote Cyan, but he's now just a compromise lynch.

I don't recall Sera repping out.

Either way, Cyan and Sera are unlikely to be SvT

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My main case against Sera is still the fact she manipulates me into claiming by setting me on L-1 (see 472) when

she didn't even want to L-1 vote me

(see 455). And 451 makes it look even worse.

She doubled down on my vote with 490 btw.

464 is also a bad defense.

pedit: okay I guess, gonna flip back just in case

VOTE: Cyan Talon

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we don't have time cyrus

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Cyan is at L-1

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by my calculations, there are 5 votes on cyan

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nevermind, there are 4

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I'd like to point out you just voted a un-CCed cop

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yeah, a D1 NL is obviously bad for town

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You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

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You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

Thats a pretty soft claim, there are a different roles that dont coexist, that looks like you are PR claiming not cop claiming, so this is a hard claim now?

yeah I've officially gone from a mediumclaim to a hardclaim

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I dont buy it even a little, your an SE why are you claiming even a little, if you knew someone was fake claiming as a cop, why not investigate them at night make sure they arent town and hard claim D2?

I had to claim because I was run up to L-1 with intent, plus I didn't believe phone's claim was serious.

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um... I said phone's claim wasn't a cop claim in 43

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I checked Spangled... and got NRed...

Yeah this is a disaster

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Regardless, Cyan is dead so my plan changes.

VOTE: Spangled

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Yeah at this point the white X might as well be a red check

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It's really as if scum knew Cyan was a PR

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NRed? you need to start using vocabulary that is comprehensible to the majority of players here

NRed. As in I got no result when checking Spangled.

and regardless, wasn't it you trying to lynch cyan the whole time on day 1? You spearheaded that lynch wagon

Yeah. I was asleep when he softed PR and didn't wake up until the day ended in a NL.

I'm still assuming the town was fractured D1.

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regardless, my vote's on Spangled, treat this as D1 where not voting is scummy

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regardless, my vote's on Spangled, treat this as D1 where not voting is scummy

im wwaiting for others reactions on the nights death before i vote

alright

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I think osuka might be scum with Spangled

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I think osuka might be scum with Spangled

What interactions make you think this, pray tell?

neither of you think I'm actually a cop.

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and considering I was roleblocked instead of shot... well... scum are more likely to be in the people who don't think my claim is true.

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Shooting Cyan (softed a PR) instead of me (a claimed cop) is some major blue liquid in front of me

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Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by that, and a doubtless clever joke is utterly wasted to me.
But VTs don’t often soft PR, so I can see why scum would consider it an actual claim.

WIFOM except weirder.

yeah, a PR soft is likely to be from a PR.

Still, it doesn't bode well that scum shoots the PR soft instead of the most overpowered role in the setup.

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self-meta doesn't work but cyrus is still town

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osuka, Cyan flipped Doc. We're locked into A3.

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self-meta doesn't work but cyrus is still town

Oh, I agree, but you just can’t self-meta; it doesn’t work.

are you saying cyrus is scum?

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I need to provide reads as well. Surely it may help piece the town together.

Here's a lead rist.

[Town]

cyrus62

- 142 is town-AI, the fact cyrus is pretty much a thoughtstream spews him as town-aligned.
eth0s - The effort in your catchup post up to page 18 (1040), which predates my mediumclaim in 525, is something I don't see scum doing. Townlean.
Adorable - Null!townlean, can see a few towny posts in the ISO such as 375 (yeah good scumcase), 486 (good observations), and 1043 (I really like the explanations in the readlist).
Sera Masumi - Hasn't posted since

9 days 18 hours

...
osuka - 1033 is a pretty bad post. We're in A3 because Cyan flipped Doc. This seems to be indicative of osuka's low effort play.
WhemeStar - Don't see much effort here either, ISO looks scummier than osuka.

Spangled

- It's a good thing for you I got no result on you... however you still seem like scum trying to coast along.

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I was hoping the night would give Sera time to catch up...but alas- looking for replacement for Sera Masumi

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I still think Spangled is scum and needs to be voted

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I can't see that cyrus scumcase (despite at least 5 being good) coming from town

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I can't see eth0s being scum with cyrus regardless, I highly doubt the scumcase is a bus, but it feels hollow

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what are your thoughts on Spangled then?

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Honestly Temporal if you aren't lying you're just delusional. Tell me where that was hollow? Why would you be vote flipping around like mad earlier on people with no cases, yet call this hollow? I mean FFS he even told me he would sheep me and stated that he might be okay with lynching you today and I still push him because I see him as scummier than you. Just know that if you aren't lying, your role is already completely useless until we kill MRB, and then you 99% get nightkilled. So with that being said I am not afraid to lynch you today if you are going to keep playing like you did on day one. But I'm not voting on any case you make unless it's a damn good case

I don't see 9 as a taunt as all, it's a freaking RVS vote.

Your response to 382 boils down to "cyrus actually wants feedback from Cyan but he's still scum because Cyan claimed doctor", like seriously that doesn't click. By that logic you should be deathtunneling me because I claimed cop.

Phone seemed like newbie!town, and how cyrus saying phone's vote is L-1 then pointing out phone jumped off the wagon when cyrus said it was L-1 implicates cyrus is beyond me.

... and now you accuse cyrus of pocketing me

ugh #1 of your scumcase is awful, plus it seems you're SRing cyrus for the reason I TR cyrus

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I can't take #2 without dying from hypernatremia since it's blindingly obvious cyrus is posting his thoughts as he reads, aka cyrus is a thoughtstream

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Your response to 382 boils down to "cyrus actually wants feedback from Cyan but he's still scum because Cyan claimed doctor", like seriously that doesn't click. By that logic you should be deathtunneling me because I claimed cop.

How did you even get to this conclusion? I said that It caught my attention because Cyan was calling out Cyrus for not playing by his meta, and that once I realized Cyan claimed doctor it basically made the whole point moot because he freaking outed his pr. Either you horribly misunderstood that or you're trying to misrep me.

probably the former, with that in mind it seems it makes sense as a good scumcase, I had thought you scumread cyrus because Cyan claimed doc.

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if you're not willing to compromise on your lynches even after the dreaded D1NL, you might be scum or deathtunneling

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if you're not willing to compromise on your lynches even after the dreaded D1NL, you might be scum or deathtunneling

You have already misrepped me like 3 times. Where did I say that I wouldn't compromise? I have literally half of the player list on my list of people I will lynch today. You and Spangled are the comrpmises.

I wasn't responding to you that time.

I was responding to 1135

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Wheme's Adorable SR seems pretty weak but town-motivated, doesn't mean I'm willing to vote Adorable though.

Yeah 1188 seems slightly towny to me



Anyway what is the list of people you are willing to vote?

Mine is Spangled, osuka, and maybe WhemeStar.

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I'm still guessing {osuka, Spangled} is my solve for today

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am I really the only one that finds it so weird that every reads all of cyrus posts as being townie? also why does adorable not feel suspicious of cyrus when apparently one of her biggest scumtells is when someone is townread by like everyone? that applies to cyrus here

so 1st im scummy now im to town lets see cyan thought i was off. osaka thought i was scummy sera thought i was scummy so what is it.

a reason to scumread someone

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connorcompton
Cyan Talon
TemporalLich (SE)
Robbnva (SE)

I think scumteam is between these people and i think temporal is most likeliest mafia here, least likeliest probably alpha m

I think Wheme is scum. I also forgot to mention these are the list of players Red thinks are the scum team and Wheme agreed with Red's list of scum team players and some of the players listed as the scum team doesn't make sense because Robb and Temp have been scum reading each other. Wheme agreeing with Red looked like he is scum.

Bad post

VOTE: Adorable

I don't think 1198 is a bad post, the vote smells like OMGUS to me.

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VOTE: WhemeStar

Time to put my vote where it matters.

Good case cyrus

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I'm not even sure anymore... still think Wheme is scum

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VOTE: Cyrus

wow ok that was random and spicy whats your case or reason

either way, this is known as an OMGUS vote

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What is even Wheme's case on me? So I'm just a random vote? I have been narrowing down the scum team suspects and the only scum team players I could think of at the moment would be

Wheme/Sera
Spangled/Osuka - On day 1 everyone was scum reading Robb except for Spangled, Cyrus, and me. The interaction between Cyrus and Robb doesn't look like a scum buddy and the only person I could think of who could be Robb/Osuka's scum buddy would be Spangled.


On day 1 I was suspicious of Red/Thespio's play and it looked like I saw a Sera/Red scum team and on day 2 I missed the message eth0s subbing in for Thespio. Sera hasn't been online for 11 days and we know for sure she did not do the killing, eth0s subbed in day 2 and he hasn't caught up at the time and he wouldn't even know who to kill if he was scum.

I'm not liking Wheme's play and he says if I flip scum, he will look at Cyrus. I can't be scum buddies with Cyrus because on day 1 I scum read Cyan Talon at the time and Cyrus responded back to me with a defensive post because he thought I was scum reading him and he got his name mixed up with Cyan Talon and then he responded back to me and said he misunderstood me and in another post of his I did not like he said this to me, "Adorable, you do know if Robb flips scum that will make you look bad."

I don’t like either of those scumteams you’ve proposed. Besides the fact that my name is up there, I am hard TRing Sera at the moment (which might change with the replacement, but hopefully not), and osuka felt towny initially to me — and I was sure Robb was town.

I also don't like Wheme's scum team he proposed because he thinks it's between you, me, and Cyrus.

okay I agree that scumteam is ridiculous, but maybe not to the point where it makes Spangled an IC.

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an IC?

Innocent Child, as in 100% confirmed town

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a votecount at least would be nice

you should probably do reads regardless

Coming asap

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yeah, let's treat this as the gamestate being stalled and vote (or get scumread by everyone)

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welcome to the game nips

Thanks, i’ll Probably end up doing some sort of catchup tomorrow. Anything I should know for the mean time?

I claimed cop

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I decided to skim cyrus's ISO after seeing 1285

It's not much and the main reason I townread cyrus is due to him being a thoughtstream, but I'm leaning toward cyrus being town.

I still would much rather vote WhemeStar

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it might be seen as an associative

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I'm still willing to vote Wheme, Spangled's cyrus case is a good one so I'm taking Spangled out of my lynch pool

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yeah, wheme is the obvious lynch of today

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yeah, wheme is the obvious lynch of today

excuse me what

Judging from the ISO, I can say low effort, the votes in 1225, 1227, and 1228 don't have an organic progression, 806 is transparently scummy, and 796 is pure OMGUS

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i refuse to vote cyrus

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Spoiler:

The same thing can be said about Wheme.

#788 Town reads Spangled, Osuka, Temp, me
#802 Says if he's wrong about Cyan on day 1 he will look at Cyrus on day 2
#1191 Responds to Cyrus post and says he doesn't see scum making this post
#1197 Says if I flip scum he will look at Spangled or Cyrus
#1247 Says Spangled is town
#1316 Says he thinks Cyrus is town

I don't understand what Wheme is doing here and he is also voting without even providing a reason which is very frowned upon.

Things is, you can TR someone and still say who you would look at if they flip scum.

And, also, Adorable, you’re missing the main point of my cyrus case — most of the flip-flopping is based around his perceptions of the same event — me and Sera pushing TL to claim.

wait is that your may point that i been trying to see if your town or scum becuse you ran the cop to l1 and forced a clime in whice case they could die tonight and bioth prs were ran up by you lol. so baslicly your saying hey i fucked town royaly but dont be mad at me town always trys to get the prs to out them selfs.

now that you say it, spangled needs to be powerlynched

VOTE: Spangled

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And I would really like a cyrus lynch today; he has posted a lot on this site, and I think I have finally found what scum!cyrus looks like compared to town!cyrus.

quoting this as a note just in case anyone thinks cyrus is in the same galaxy as a viable lynch

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Temporal still making bad posts with bad logic, game still being hard to read, cyrus still being cyrus, wheme still defending cyrus. idk what's going on anymore
VOTE: cyrus62

I know this game is stalled and no wagon is catching on, but why vote cyrus especially considering cyrus is being cyrus?

We absolutely need a lynch, since the town freaking No Lynched on day 1.

@temp who’d you investigate last night?

I checked Spangled and got NR'ed.

@temp who’d you investigate last night?

temp cant tell you cuse spangeld put them to l1 abd made her clim so scum has it to where temps useles and this is why i was so upset about spangled and sera running them up to l1 and forceing a clim basicly.

why are you still answering peoples questions

regardless this is why I can't bring myself to vote cyrus

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temp whats your longest game?

one that's been to Day 12

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i mean rl time from day one to day 12 how long did that take was it on here

two and a half months

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this ones going on a month for two days i

yeah... this game feels stalled and we need to do something...

too bad people think you're scum who needs to be lynched

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this ones going on a month for two days i

yeah... this game feels stalled and we need to do something...

too bad people think you're scum who needs to be lynched

look who is stalling it ethos and spangled .

... the same people who want to vote you.

It's as if they're deliberately pushing your mislynch

Yeah we need to powerlynch Spangled

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Lich read adorbales last couple posts and tell me you think that’s town

I think that's town

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I thought 1366 was a pure wolfy response...

If it's a misrep, I can't see it being a towny misrep

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I thought 1366 was a pure wolfy response...

If it's a misrep, I can't see it being a towny misrep

So do you think cyrus is scum or not?

I'm conflicted. It's a drop in a pool, but his towncase was on unstable ground (mostly for his posts fresh off the thoughtstream) so this likely ruins the cyrus towncase's structural integrity

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I'm confused, though - why do you want me powerlynched?

because of cyrus's scumcase against you in 1334

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1366 still looks like a scummy response to 1365

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Isn't pushing town-AI?

Assuming it is, then yeah I guess cyrus could be scum but I'm not willing to commit to it.

VOTE: WhemeStar since cyrus's scumcase on Spangled isn't a good one.

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wtf two of us actually trying to lynch someone and we are the ones stalling it? you agree with that why? sigh

Still very weird why cyrus thinks you're stalling when I thought you were pushing a cyrus lynch (which I thought was on strong town at that time)

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Lich why do you constantly flip flop so hard and can't make up your mind about what is a good case and what isn't? you were just advocating on a spangled lynch because you said cyrus' case was good and now you say it isn't good. How are you supposed to be PR

just because I have a reason to believe cyrus is scum now doesn't meant you get to call a claimed cop scum for flip flopping

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1207 says to me if cyrus is scum I'd look at Adorable, if only for associative reasons.

My point being in 1377 that cyrus hasn't pushed anyone this entire game for any good reason.
Ergo, by his reasoning (which seems to be that pushing is scummy), he's null-town.

cyrus thinks you were rolefishing, or "pushing for a pr" as he says in 499.

pedit: The case was held up very poorly anyway, the post about speaking the truth is what make it come crashing down

pedit 2: osuka claimed scum everyone

VOTE: osuka

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it's not personal, it's how i feel about this game. the fact that, when i look at this player list, the person i want to lynch the most is the claimed cop, should tell you a lot about how this game's going

quoting this just in case someone is in doubt about osuka claiming scum

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is it really that easy to get you tilted? this is sad

both people who subbed in the game and caught up with the thread actually had you figured for the scummiest player in the game before we saw your cop claim. doesn't that tell you anything?

they missed my cop claim so thought I was a scumlord

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I think you still think I'm still openwolfing...

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honestly temp what are you talking about? I didn't miss your claim at all and I still want you lynched. How isn't that a scumclaim for me? your inconsistency is baffling and I don't want to go to mylo with you no matter what your role is. So I am very close to pushing you as my top lynch at this point

This post confruses me.

You're actually asking me to give reasons why you didn't scumclaim, when you shot down the possibility of you thinking I'm a scum fakeclaimer by admitting you want to policy lynch me?

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at this point I have a good reason to think eth0s thinks I'm scum even if I'm town

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Wanting to lynch an un'CCed Cop is not scumclaiming, Temp.
Sure it's not smart, but you

have

been

incredibly

scummy this game overall.

I gain zero information from a massclaim so starting one would be stupid.

9 times out of 10, there's at least one townie who thinks I'm scum even if I'm town, because my brain melts thinking of a Spangled/eth0s scumteam.

pedit: 1410 answers that question, but there's a small shimmer of chance you honestly want to lynch me even if I'm the town cop because I'm scum

pedit 2: I already said it, but it's because you wanted to policy lynch me, but there's a small shimmer of chance you honestly want to lynch me even if I'm the town cop because I'm scum

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that's not a policy lynch, it's a "i don't want to be in mylo with this player because if that's the case i will lose" lynch

that's what a policy lynch is, osuka

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At this point we've deresolved into the possibility glimmer of you thinking I'm scum even if I'm town.

What is your second highest scumread then?

And yeah that's also a policy lynch, though if the "bad for mylo" reason isn't indicative of a policy lynch then I guess I don't know what a policy lynch is.

pedit: I don't understand the logic in that either

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are you asking me for my second highest scumread?

I was asking osuka but you can answer as well

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holy heck I might have mixed up osuka and eth0s

this means they're both town

VOTE: WhemeStar

Still think Spangled could be scum trying to pocket eth0s, but eh

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WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON

For some reason you and osuka seemed to blend together

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WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON

For some reason you and osuka seemed to blend together

could you try to sell me on whem

wheme voted you for no good reason, is tunneling adorable (evident in 1338), and made a confusing response to a question (directed at me btw) in 1415

pedit: I'm just gonna say 1427

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we need to not be a fractured town and vote wheme

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we need to not be a fractured town

Coming from you that’s really funny

my top read is eth0s so maybe he's gonna be useful in fixing the town and playing this game like it should be

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Other than that adorbale is scum

I see adorable as who I'd suspect if cyrus flips red

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osuka if I say we need to band together and vote someone, that means we should stall?

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anyway, we need to band together and vote someone. I suggest WhemeStar

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cyrus is the second resort of resort for voting...