Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[cyrus62]

Hello! I'm your resident SE!

What's your experience with Mafia?

mostly life this is my 4th game on here i am trying to get better at it.

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VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

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starting to think my timezone dose not match most people eastern time zone whats your guys time zones?

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why would i give reads on the 1st page when theres still people not yet to post dont be so hasty let others post then i can give reads.

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from what i see so far on only see town

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i get a bad feelin whys no one talking

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spicy very spicy

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wow so feel bad now can we just try to have a fun game with no fighting or name calling.

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why did you vote your self

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hello red

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well hello connorcompton

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so not a county laughs im way to skinny.

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Phone is town.
Discuss.

phone voted him self can you maybe convince him hes not scum .. still in rvs so heres my best line hope you get a laugh out of that

[cyrus62]

welcome so now the game can start now that every ones here

[cyrus62]

welcome so now the game can start now that every ones here

The game had already started...

i like to wait for every one to post once before i get out of rvs mode since then i can start reading players based on thire post content and how help for it is. and how many there is. as knowing this can help me find scum

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yes as that was rvs mode and icebreaker mode to help us all get to know each other and when to expect post from others. every thing said on page one doesnt realy give hints on whos town and whos not.

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yes as that was rvs mode and icebreaker mode to help us all get to know each other and when to expect post from others. every thing said on page one doesnt realy give hints on whos town and whos not.

That’s not true. Scum can and have been caught in rvs. I’ve caught both scum this game already.

Vote red or phone. Gg

i so hope this is a joke reds playing the same way they always do.

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you got it jiggly puff don't start singing now we don't need everyone to sleep:p

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this puts rob to l1 already

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its okay phone if you think hes scum vote for him i was just leting you know hes at l1

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robs at l1 now do you mean the newbie scum tail

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Too many players have been focusing on Robbnva and the only players who haven't been focusing on him are Spangled, Cyan, Cyrus, and me. A player who is getting focused by multiple players I tend to think that player could be town. If you guys think Robbnva is scum, then that would mean either Spangled or Cyan would be his scum buddy. The interaction between Robbnva and Cyrus doesn't look like a scum pair. I think Robbnva could be town since so many players have been focusing on him.

im just makeing sure every one knows the vote count how do we know you anit his scum buddy trying to deflect from scum after doing the newbi scum tell

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Too many players have been focusing on Robbnva and the only players who haven't been focusing on him are Spangled, Cyan, Cyrus, and me. A player who is getting focused by multiple players I tend to think that player could be town. If you guys think Robbnva is scum, then that would mean either Spangled or Cyan would be his scum buddy. The interaction between Robbnva and Cyrus doesn't look like a scum pair. I think Robbnva could be town since so many players have been focusing on him.

im just makeing sure every one knows the vote count how do we know you anit his scum buddy trying to deflect from scum after doing the newbi scum tell

mis read your post seen cyamn thought you ment me

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phone jumped off robs wagon when he heard it was l1 this shows town not wanting to get a lynch to fast

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tell me if im wrong but is"nt most jack of all trades able to mod?

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so temp what are your reads so far and why?

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Phone why don't you get an avatar

would it be a cell phone :p any way red what reads do you have so far?

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i mean your rank title what ever its called

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VOTE: Phone0Ix

back, and why is the cop claim self-voting

he said it was a rvs vote trying to get a laugh.

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guys hes only been playing 4 days this is his 1st game here mi stacks happen. @cyan and red remember how bad i was i haven't got much better yet either.

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no office intended Adorable but you do realize if you drag the day out and rob still gets lynch and flips scum instead of town you look bad right? just saying not ment to be harsh.

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ok i will read more. thank you

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so now that you have a town lean on rob and adorable can you tell us who else you think is town and why .. i guse what i am saying give me your reads and i'll give you mine compare notes.

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so after doing a quick iso on cyan i have to say he comes off as town to me . the way he got mad about the self vote and all.

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i'm trying we still in page 6 and until the game is in full swing we wont have much to go on i think the best thing to do is maybe cast a vote on some one now and see where it leads. cyan didn't give me much of a response so i think that's how town would act. given it was rvs

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spangled ask red and ask cyan i always spam alot .. most of it is me thinking and posting my own thoughts. i am trying to slow the spam though as i am learning and trying to use better wording i been called unstable illogical and i liability by teacher so yes i am trying to improve and help more.

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spangled ask red and ask cyan i always spam alot .. most of it is me thinking and posting my own thoughts. i am trying to slow the spam though as i am learning and trying to use better wording i been called unstable illogical and i liability by teacher so yes i am trying to improve and help more.

Could you give me a link to a scumgame of yours?

Phone could be newb!scum for me, but he could also be newb!town.
I am tending toward scum, though; his awkwardness hopping on the Robb wagon and his bad logic in doing so. The fact that he unvoted shortly after is NAI to me, but it doesn't clear him of the sheer, unadulterated

awkwardness

of his ISO.
I know it's Day 1, but I think I will go ahead and VOTE: Phone0Ix

Pedit:
Some of those fast votes were really suss, especially Phone's for me.
Pedit 2:
I think it's slightly town indicative; scum are fine with town players being stupid, but only town should react with annoyance.

cunfused need to answer yet not sure how

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when you say link its my 1st game so i can this one however not sure much will come from it i have improved since then so dont judge me solely from it

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80024

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i only have town games

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relax mate its ok just remember its ok to ask to see past games just one should never judge some one based on the past game. as with me i am improving every game learning takes time.

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Too many players have been focusing on Robbnva and the only players who haven't been focusing on him are Spangled, Cyan, Cyrus, and me. A player who is getting focused by multiple players I tend to think that player could be town. If you guys think Robbnva is scum, then that would mean either Spangled or Cyan would be his scum buddy. The interaction between Robbnva and Cyrus doesn't look like a scum pair. I think Robbnva could be town since so many players have been focusing on him.

@cyan and spangled your thoughts on this post please?

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any way 4am my time im out

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working today so be back later

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Adorable call it knowing some one i playd with cyan before and i dont think hes changed his town playing form like this is how he plays town .. but i am all eyes show me how you come up with cyan being bad and i will cast my vote if need be.

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i think he ment red

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wheres that vote count to many voteing rob unvoteing rob i cant keep up. again as i said with cyan this is how he plays . red post very little untill it matters and then will give a clear read on why he voted who but take this with a grin of salt i have only played one game with both of them and they were town there. so far all i see is town hunting scum and who they think is scumy if i see something that sticks out to me i will point it out .... what you called nai with cyan getting mad . was also used by spagled to town read rob so if its nai for cyan its nai for rob just saying.

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You know that's one of your town games, right?

its your mine and reds town game so it should help more then you think

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viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80024 here this is reds mine and cyans town game so if you look your see we are acting the same way

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off topic i know but hey i wouldnt be me if i didnt offer. so i just order kfc who wants some

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so if im right robs at l1 right? so we should tell others not to vvote untill intent is given chance to defend and let him clami . other wise it counts as a quick hammer no?

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Cyan, Adorable, cyrus, FL, connor, can you give us your perspective on this Robb vs. Temporal battle?

i agree with you sounds like tvt but i disagree with the sifting votes 3 times in a day .

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watching setting down trying to get a better read on things

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i have no idea they mormaly talk more i think ask cyan what he thinks i honestly think red doesnt comment much untill there like 3 or four days to go

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red dosent like Pokemon sad

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hes being slow this game but the game isnt as fast pass as are last one it could be me slowling down since im doing 3 at once to get the 4 game count.

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but he said hes have a health issue

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phone said this was his 1st game so......

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so he lied

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point made red

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so who is scum red?

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like we havent had a vote count in forever so no one knows the wagons right now i know temp voted you red after voteing cyan and then voteing rob and then back to cyan but they stoped on you.

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like i feel bad temp has me as stoung town

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connor might be scum they havent said nothing this whole time just one post

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btw are mod is vla too

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gmes going stale sorry i been working non stop last few days

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i have to ask red why is temp scum and temp why is red scum or phone scum for that matter

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alot we just started any way im haveing a like a bad day so im steping away till tomrow... nai

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im back and no one posted

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maybe

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tell me about it so far there is only two people being pointed to temp and red red saids temp and temp saids red maybe its a trick to cunfuse us

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reds a friend but i like temp play so far i may vote red have to see what connors replacement brings to the table or maybe we should all vote connor so we dont have to wait for a replacement and then look closer at day 2 depending on what the night beings .

[cyrus62]

Hello everyone!

This is my first game on this site and second online.
I'm in UTC+1.
I'm uneasy about the random vote stage.
I'm open to trying new things.
Robbnva is scum.

VOTE: Robbnva

one post

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host be back sunday since the game started arond the 4th they may have went with family normaly day 1 is 10 days so they may have thought they did not need to be back till around the 9th

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so heres a queston of we did lynch some one would we not get a flip for 2 days

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no kidding

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UNVOTE:

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my vote for cfyan was just rvs so im removeing it

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not enough post from any one yet to form proper reads

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Phone0ix is one of those players I'm starting to get suspicious of. On his first post he said it's his first game here and has played 35 games on ToS. The way how he has been playing in this game starts to get me to worry he could be scum who wants to watch town point fingers at each other and I have seen alot of games where mafia watch town pointing fingers at each other. Phone0ix whole approach in this game, is this really how he plays as town in ToS?

red said phone is town but maybe they could be working together after all temp thinks reds scum what do you think of red or temp ?

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i get you spangled

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feel frree to talk every one

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VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

ouch mate i asked you to tell me if i gotten better lol shakes head

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and cyan this would have been my 4th game here now however none of them are done yet so that's as far as i can go in to details on and that 1st game was like a month ago so i have gotten a lot better since then. still trying to improve and look closely for slips and tails.

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i liked phone reminded me et

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well good hopefully we can get some convors going and make some reads don't get me wrong i like you all but maybe the reason we haven't had no leads is because the scum replaced out. what do you think? @everyone .

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heres a good joke man i start playing and as a noob they think im scum i get better and im still scum maybe its just my name lol.

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i have no idea but cyrus the virus from conair had killed more people then the aids virus

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i was referring to my completed game where they all thought i was scum and this one where i have got better

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i am refereeing to cyans statement

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So we should probably find something to spark discussion with.

Starting with, I'd like to actually express some doubts about Cyrus here. While I appreciate that he's towning up, the town game he previously mentioned shows him being all over the place with his words and actions. Oddly, I find him more organized in this game than in that one, and it's pinging a few alarms.

I'm not keen on voting him for just this, since it could also be a result of him improving and not being fed information by a partner, but I really don't know how someone suddenly goes from newbie spewer to town leader level in the interval of, like, 1 game.

This is probably the weakest of things to suspect someone from, but let's talk about Cyrus if it helps.

this one

[cyrus62]

do you know how to use spoliers if not i'll tell you no one told me i had to find out on my own

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k wish some one told me on my 1st game was just trying to help .lol i didnt know how to vote either and had no idea what the rvs was lmao.

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temp we do need more to go by

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yea connar and phone could be scum maybe as of now both of them are bloging the game now

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if you think about it phone and conner are helping us because the days paused so we have longer to find scum .

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thats funny

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i got hung in my 1st game becuse the tracker didnt know that cyrus went no where ment he was town

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On my first game I was scum and just didn't understand what being a member of the town meant. The tracker was modkilled tracking me and a cop got a redcheck on my partner, and I CCed JK. We lost fairly swiftly.

The funniest shit I’ve ever seen was the old setups. scum faked cop with guilty on his partner. His partner cc’d. The real cop claimed. It was good times.


As town I had probably one of the best unvotes in the history of this site. I voted and had been refreshing in lylo. First scum voted. I unvoted at the same time scum was trying to hammer. Time stamp was the same. It literally must have been milliseconds.

we did that in life all the time

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maybe we will start to get reads now

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Hi, I'm your replace-in person for connor. Since it was asked at the beginning of the game, I have roughly ~10-15 games at another site. If you want to take a look I'm happy to give you the info, but it's played pretty differently over there (much faster days for one thing) so I'm uncertain it will necessarily give you that much valuable intel.

Now before anything else I want to comment on something I'm deeply uncomfortable with.

well good hopefully we can get some convors going and make some reads don't get me wrong i like you all but maybe the reason we haven't had no leads is because the scum replaced out. what do you think? @everyone .

I think that could be true. Like we have some SRs/SLs flying round between Temporal, Red, and Robb, but I think they're all

probably

town.
You mean connor/Phone (by people who have replaced out) right?

This is a Bad Take, OPs. If you have townreads on everybody except the paths of absolute least resistance, that indicates to me that you probably have too many townreads, not that scum happen to be the easiest targets in the game and just happily going along with that. Like, I have no idea how to read phone here, and there are questions I'd like to ask but phone replaced out, so I'll never be able to ask them. Hopefully the replacement slot will give more information. Connor is pretty clearly somebody that just started to play the game and then replaced out after deciding forum mafia was not for him or something; he made one post and then never returns. Both these slots are null as hell in my opinion, and this method of shutting down thought and just going for the easiest route possible feels like an easy way to setup a couple mislynches that give the town very little info.

The way that cyrus is continually tilting shade at this slot and arguing for a lynch even after the replacement request is sent in (See #360) is really worrying me. I honestly have no idea why cyrus-town argues for this. Wagoning somebody who made a grand total of 1 post before being forcibly replaced that you don't seem to find particularly suspicious before a replacement can even show up is a completely terrible exercise; there's very little to analyze from the roleflip in terms of the lynchee's content, there's very little association because there isn't much for people to comment on or engage with, and you don't give the role the ability to claim and therefore potentially ram a lynch on a power role through. I can definitely see why scum would engage in this sort of exercise, but I'm bewildered as to why the idea would even enter town's head. I'm also not very comfortable with the fact that cyrus floats this possibility out there and doesn't, you know, vote my or phone's slot. Just kinda tosses it out into the aether for consideration without putting any real feeling behind it. (I kind of feel the same about Spangled, but at least Spangled is being much more tentative about this.) It's not like cyrus is doing anything with his vote right now anyway, last I saw he was still on his RVS vote which he had just dispatched. I'm not even sure how it fits into Cyrus worrying about Red earlier or right before that saying that we have no leads over 370 posts into the game.

Like, I'm really skeptical of two decently-experienced townies suddenly seeing this as a good idea totally organically, so one of Spangled and Cyrus is quite plausibly scum. And Spangled at least still seems to be doing things like looking at Adorable and crosschecking after making that declaration, indicating a degree of paranoia that I'm looking for, and just in general in comparison to 388, I think 389 and 390 just read a bit better from a townie mindset. That said, I could totally see Spangled-scum egging on a really bad impulse from town-cyrus here, and I really don't want to rule that out. But in general Cyrus making this play feels a lot more "yikes" to me.

I'm decently confident that one of Spangled or cyrus is scum, and certain that they aren't scum together; that last conversation between them absolutely would have occurred in a private topic if they were. Pretty sure neither of them are scum with phone either if they are going to try and play things this way. I think Cyrus looks worse in this bit (I also recall some of Cyrus' posts reading as kind of forced in my first readthrough, but I wasn't sure if that was because they were forced or just how cyrus' posts would generally read), but it could still probably go either way.

I have no idea what Temporal is doing with his reads this game, they feel all over the place to me and honestly he's probably my best candidate outside cyrus. I'm really not getting the Town v. Town Robb-Temp reads here and would like somebody to explain it to me like I'm 5.

Robb and Redflag both feel pretty town, as does Adorable to a slightly lesser extent. Gun to my head? I say Spangled probably has a Town role, though I'm not betting the horse on it. Phone I have no idea how to read but the fact that I can really only imagine Redflavor as a partner (maaaybe Cyan and Rob? Maaaybe?) is making me think his slot is probably town just through POE. I'll see how the replacement handles it. Cyan I'm super "meh" on at the moment.

I'm going to go through the game again and do some proper notes and a couple questions for players after I get a little sleep (I'm #YOLOing sleep deprived atm) before I vote, but my immediate reads are

TOWN: Robb, Redflavor, Sera (Confirmed town in my role PM guys she's legit)
LEAN-TOWN: Adorable, phone (tentative, if Flavor is scum phone is decently likely to be, otherwise meh)
NULL: Cyan, Spangled (alternating between this and in the lean-town bracket; I'm hoping a reread will force me to pick a side there)
LEAN SCUM: Cyrus, Temporal

I'm not inclined to lynch anything above null right now, and would much prefer Cyrus or Temp over Cyan and Spangled (given how Cyrus has engaged with the Cyan slot, and vice-versa). I could see myself joining that Temp wagon, but atm I honestly feel a little better about a Cyrus lynch.

Will be on a plane tomorrow, so catch-up post might not be until Tuesday if I end up sleeping all night, which I probably will.

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11086531]
And not catching up is fairly scum indicative, so keep that in mind.

I'm curious

1. Why you feel this way
2. Why would tell me this before I post, since it seems like a useful tell to have in your pocket.[/quote yes yes its easyer to find reads when you only have 2 post ofc this isnt your doing and it has been said that when noobs role scum on thire 1st game they replace out. so yes connar hasnt posted since the 4th what am i to think of that . then you have phone who also replaced out and voted on him self in rvs so yes we see that as scummy . i been trying to read every one here and the ones with the most post are me and spangled so yes after sorting him and knowing my self thire just wasnt enogh by any one else to from reads . as of now your still null to me

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Robb, can you give us your perspectives on... everything, basically.
You too, RF.

rob went vla

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yes yes its easyer to find reads when you only have 2 post ofc this isnt your doing and it has been said that when noobs role scum on thire 1st game they replace out. so yes connar hasnt posted since the 4th what am i to think of that .

I don't expect you to think anything? What is the difference between somebody who posts once and then doesn't post anymore because they're scum, and somebody who posts once and then doesn't post anymore because they didn't like the game? How do I tell one from the other?

i been trying to read every one here and the ones with the most post are me and spangled so yes after sorting him and knowing my self thire just wasnt enogh by any one else to from reads .

Tell me more about your read on Spangled, actually, you haven't really said a lot about them today.

cyrus only said red thinks phone is town and that I think red is scum, nothing about cyrus having any proper reads.
Don't see anything that would contraindicate a cyrus/spangled scumteam besides those two being high TRs. It's still outlandish, but it's not like a red flip from one makes the other confirmed town.

1. You think scum would really write that 388-400 exchange together? Because I don't.
2. I believe I linked the post where Cyrus indicates that he doesn't have reads because the game isn't giving him that much information? (#374, he also says we have "no leads" in the post I quoted).

seeing it as it is yes it can be either of the two . however i did not like the fact that the thread got held by these two. i already sorted every one i could and came back to phone and connar

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i dont see how spangled could be anything but town hes looking for scum and doing reads

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seeing it as it is yes it can be either of the two . however i did not like the fact that the thread got held by these two. i already sorted every one i could and came back to phone and connar

But connor was getting replaced after making one post all game? The game was holding up because he quit the game and they needed to find someone else. Turns out Phone was basically the same way. Why is that suspicious to the point that you'd shade somebody getting replaced with one post that you didn't seem to find particularly suspicious instead of poking at other players?

and i know this how you cant just jump and and think or this person said that since the person i am replaceing could be scum becuse of only one post and un able to make reads becuse of it must be scum

Actually can we cut to the chase and have you explain why you thought arguing to lynch somebody being replaced before their replacement entered was a good idea?

what it was a thought since no one was posting and i had already sorted every one else

i dont see how spangled could be anything but town hes looking for scum and doing reads

Scum can pretend to do those things though? Phone gave reads. I gave reads. Everyone in the game has given reads at one point or another. What about Spangled's hunting feels genuine to you?

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let me start by saying i realu dislike big post overly worded as they are could have hidden meaning as i said i wasnt able to read no one fully yet and yes at a risk of takeing flank may i ask why your puting temp to l1 with out asking red to tell thire reads or build a case waiting for rob to respond and even hearing them out fully . all i have seen from temp this game was he scum read some one got yelled at by the person thenevery one said it was tvt and no one looked closer at rob . or red for saying phone is town cuse i playd with him . i need these people to be looked at closer before i even think of voteing my town reads and now you put your self in a spot saying temp and me or spangled or me so dose that mean that if temp comes back town your still assume me but now suspect spanglled and then hang oonne of us.

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please dont respond by attacking me for voiceing my doughts and useing a over worded reponce if cyans memory suits him are 1st game had a replacement and they had shorted every one made every one think he was town used big post and turnd out to be scum the whole time not saying you are but that thought has cross my mind. btw dose not the sight rules say you cant replace in with out playing your 1st game here 1st just wondering . im all about the rules when playing games/

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Spoiler:

Honestly I'll try to tone it down on the WOT now; that first post was not supposed to be that long but when I started I couldn't stop and can be a wordy person, RIP.

In regards to your case, your arguments on Temporal seem really convincing, and it does make me doubt the TvT thing I mentioned earlier somewhat (although to say I'm sure here would be wrong). I'd like to hear Temporal give counterpoint or whatnot before deciding if the lynch should go through.

I don't think the lynch should go through until we get a phone replacement and they start saying stuff unless I really don't like what Temp sells me, personally. Honestly, I think I'm going to unvote just to make sure nobody pulls any shenanigans, but the intent is absolutely there and unless Temp has a really strong defense he should probably just claim now and we can move forward from there. (Though he should be defending himself anyway.)

UNVOTE:

I somewhat disagree with your read on Cyrus, mainly because he tends to play about as messily as he is doing here and his behavior doesn't really align with traditional Mafia meta (please look at the town game he posted for an idea of how he works).

I'm admittedly open to this; I'm slightly skeptical of looking at meta because I don't have the experience doing it to know that I"m looking at it properly. but I did skim the game and at least on surface-level it's looking rather similar, though given that cyrus himself posted I would expect cyrus-scum to try and replicate his play there; the question is how capable he is of doing it.

if you npte cyan him self said i was pinging him becuse i was being diffent then that game sp how would i be doing the same thing if i was makeing him wonder with my game play here i am trying to improve and look closer. this game should be down to 2 days and iits not becuse of phone and connor which is why i suggested the lynch becuse we were at a stand still . yes it helps us find scum however it also makes the game less fun. like i said i used to playing rl mafia in rl you wouldnt get a stand still till every one was found so yes it makes the game dull . i like games to be hard and if the game stays like this it isnt helping us we havent sorted phone and before you put temp to l1 you should have waited on phones replacement if you note i haven't cast but 1 vote simply because we havent been able to look at every one . i mean what if rob is scum and spangled is deflecting for him or some one else is.

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Spoiler:

VOTE: Robbnva

The selfvote was RvS btw if that wasnt clear, I earlier said I had a redcheck on myself and wanted to know how to vote remember?

But Robb's reaction to RvS is a big overreact

Oh sorry

VOTE: unvote

Phone is town.
Discuss.

what no case and hes town cuse red said so

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if you npte cyan him self said i was pinging him becuse i was being diffent then that game sp how would i be doing the same thing if i was makeing him wonder with my game play here i am trying to improve and look closer.

"trying to do something" is not the same as "completely being able to do it" though.

But as much as I don't like the one before it, the rest of this post more or less does feel like it's coming from a sincere place. Hm. I'll have to think about this.

this is just my 2nd game how much better could i get.

[cyrus62]

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

I am not claiming until L-1 with intent to hammer.

you realize if you say pr your get hammerd becuse the other wont say nothing so theres not a nk so either or they will still hammer you and say its towny and when you flip town like i think you will they will go for another myslych .

[cyrus62]

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

I am not claiming until L-1 with intent to hammer.

you realize if you say pr your get hammerd becuse the other wont say nothing so theres not a nk so either or they will still hammer you and say its towny and when you flip town like i think you will they will go for another myslych .

If I'm in the tent there's nothing that's gonna save me, so claiming will at least buy me the rest of D1.

i rather you not becuse if you are pr like your softing right then i would rather another wagon then make you say what you are becuse even if you dont die scum will kill you.

[cyrus62]

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.

Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?

Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?

Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.

i stated that rob was at l1 and he unvoted so i didnt have to do anything and i didnt vote him now did i

[cyrus62]

So Temp is getting scum read for unvoting Robb and then voting him again? In past games I have seen town do this and I don't think scum are capable of this kind of play. I have already said I think Robb vs Temp is town vs town and the only player I could think of who could be Temp's scum buddy would be Cyrus if you guys think Temp really is scum.

About #483, why would Temp get hammered if he was to claim a pr? Pr are important and lynching a pr is actually what scum would do or who ever does hammer him could be seen as a counter claim if Temp claims the same pr as someone else.

I have a theory if Red is scum, Sera would be his scum buddy and I also find it interesting Red said Phone is town and it looked like to me Red would be scum if Phone does flip town since he was feeling confident Phone is town.

I still don't see anything towny on Phone's vote on Robb and I did not like the vote reason. Phone voted Robb for overreacting to an rvs which is a really bad reason to vote someone and it looked scummy.

any one can say i am pr and then be lieing in so i can see them being hammerd as day 1 you cant prove your pr either way

[cyrus62]

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.

Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?

Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?

Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.

if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

[cyrus62]

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.

Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?

Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?

Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.

if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

any way im done untill a se wighs in you guys dont understand what your doing

[cyrus62]

if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

should I be interpreting this as intent?

no i dont want a pr to out them selfs it gives scum a free shot

[cyrus62]

Setup Information

2d3 (as designed by Cabd):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Neapolitan	Town Cop and Town Tracker	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Neapolitan and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Doctor

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia have access to their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Neapolitan, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Neapolitan, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Doctor, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Neapolitan

Welcome!

You are a

Town Neapolitan

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Vanilla Townie

or

Not Vanilla Townie

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

you may nopt have a doc in which case if its a cop they are dead and scum gets a free by and then d2 if we get it wrong they then know it hurts us cuse we only havew one to find them and "if theres a rb then they dont have to kill them but blocl them its best for pr to hide till d2 or d3. it helps us scum hunt better cuse they can check .

[cyrus62]

if me saying dont pr hunt is scummy then this town doesngt understand the way the game works .

[cyrus62]

if me saying dont pr hunt is scummy then this town doesngt understand the way the game works .

Gonna have to agree, rolefishing is scummy.

look at the date they started playing they dont understand pushing for a pr is bad it could be town that doesnt know

[cyrus62]

Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...

I'm not rolefishing, Temporal, I'm convincing cyrus that a PR outing themselves and one scum doing the same isn't a bad trade.
In the worst case scenario, it is C1, and Temporal is a town PR and claims, and scum CC. We lynch Temporal, someone takes the NK, and then we lynch the scum the next day, and someone takes the next NK.
That leaves us at D3 with 1 scum and 4 town, and lots of associative reads. That isn't even MyLo.

do you see the rows if temp is cop we may just have 6 vt and then we lose are only pr

[cyrus62]

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

[cyrus62]

he could be lieing or again scum might we dont know 3 rows habe a roleblocker and block them and go who did you check in which case they cant say omg you lied you must be scum . see how that works

[cyrus62]

stop this it isnt helping town

[cyrus62]

spangled how many games have you playd on here i say wait till another se comes if they feel the need to push for clime then they can i wont add intent and you cant so temp dont say a word till you get intent . wait for red or another se to tag in

[cyrus62]

phones not here to cc so we cant be sure but i say move on since theres no cc.

[cyrus62]

waits for them to thow stones at me for standing by who i thought was pr .

[cyrus62]

cyrus, I think you're town.
What I do want to know is - why did you think Temporal was a PR?

the way he plays prs would try to fight a lynch as much as a scum since they know them dieing hurts the town more then a normal town which states they, could be liring i'll give you that but untill a cc is made we have to count it as truth.

also the way they are picking who they think are scum could be a hint on who they going to check at night,

[cyrus62]

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

[cyrus62]

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

Um, Cyrus, how do you know we only have 1 PR?

Like, only two setups out of 9 have only one PR.

This really reads like a scum that knows there are only Goons, and therefore assumes that we're in C1 or C2. Admittedly C3 also exists which means it isn't a slam-dunk slip, but can someone explain why Cyrus is assuming this when as a PR or vanilla townie he would have no reason to believe the odds are greater than 2/9?

PREDIT:
I would like to point out that even if there is no CC even after someone replaces in, Temporal could be betting on this being C2, C3, B2, B3, or A2. Like this whole thing reeks of theater between Cyrus and Temporal to me, and I genuinely don't believe that a cop claim says this

The fact there's no resistance on my wagon means I might be done for.

And why does Temporal!Cop think this when if he is a cop there is a 75% of a doc being in the setup?

I don't think I have a chance of surviving to D2.

But we're not lynching a claimed cop today when this can become clearer later on in the game, so

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cyrus62

Also can somebody explain what Cyrus' "There are no CCs, let's assume this is legit" is about when 2 players had posted up to that point, one of whom was him, and one slot that can't CC if they even want to?

@Spangled- If you really don't want to go to Cyrus even after all this, I'm willing to vote Cyan since they've done nothing for me this game and are the weakest remaining read. But I'm genuinely be shocked if at least one of Temporal and Cyrus isn't scum at this point.

i could ask you the same how do you know its not i made a guse . and its safer to think this way for town

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

Um, Cyrus, how do you know we only have 1 PR?

Like, only two setups out of 9 have only one PR.

This really reads like a scum that knows there are only Goons, and therefore assumes that we're in C1 or C2. Admittedly C3 also exists which means it isn't a slam-dunk slip, but can someone explain why Cyrus is assuming this when as a PR or vanilla townie he would have no reason to believe the odds are greater than 2/9?

PREDIT:
I would like to point out that even if there is no CC even after someone replaces in, Temporal could be betting on this being C2, C3, B2, B3, or A2. Like this whole thing reeks of theater between Cyrus and Temporal to me, and I genuinely don't believe that a cop claim says this

The fact there's no resistance on my wagon means I might be done for.

And why does Temporal!Cop think this when if he is a cop there is a 75% of a doc being in the setup?

I don't think I have a chance of surviving to D2.

But we're not lynching a claimed cop today when this can become clearer later on in the game, so

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cyrus62

Also can somebody explain what Cyrus' "There are no CCs, let's assume this is legit" is about when 2 players had posted up to that point, one of whom was him, and one slot that can't CC if they even want to?

@Spangled- If you really don't want to go to Cyrus even after all this, I'm willing to vote Cyan since they've done nothing for me this game and are the weakest remaining read. But I'm genuinely be shocked if at least one of Temporal and Cyrus isn't scum at this point.

so becuse i stood up for a pr i am scum playing this way isnt going to win this for you lot


pre edit i am a glass half empty kind of guy when i play scatch offs lucks never on my side so why should this game be any diffent . for all we know temp could be lieing as well as theres another row that saids doc and jail keep so do i know the set up no , could i be wrong yes

[cyrus62]

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

Why?
Could you flesh your reads on us out a bit?

you dint like that did you however i am willing to bet temp now feels the same so if your town all you did was make temp waste thire check and get them kill so yes your play is scum i will pull a red and say i dont need cases i will let the cards fall where they will,
town dose not pr hunt only scum do.

[cyrus62]

And cyrus to scumread someone based on one thing you think is vaguely scummy is not how to find scum.
It's hard for scum to look towny, and refusing to look over someone's ISO or case them doesn't help town, especially when said ISO could show them to be towny.

you pushed after they soft you wouldnt back down you were told it was bad for town scum could have used it later or thougt they might not be tellung the truth you only hurt town and now we have a less cance of wining this game . i dont think anything you two did helped town in any way and i will let red cyan and rob wigh in on this.

[cyrus62]

note i havent voted yet so yes you two got 2 points for that play and i wont vote till some one has 10 points

[cyrus62]

ask your self this if i was scum why would i be pisst off about them being found on day 1?

[cyrus62]

ask your self this if i was scum why would i be pisst off about pr being found on day 1?

fixed

[cyrus62]

These are the players I have been suspecting so far.

Red - Town reads Phone but Phone's vote on Robb was suspicious and I start to get the feeling Red is scum who knows Phone will flip town, I didn't understand Red's vote reason on Robb and he said the scum team are between these players Temp, Cyan, Robb, or Connor. I can't remember the 4th player but I think it was Connor he mentioned.

Phone - 4th person to vote Robb and said Robb was overreacting to an rvs vote and that is not a good vote reason.

Connor/Sera - 3rd person to vote Robb and says he is open to trying new things and just says Robb is scum without even explaining why. Sera subs in for Connor and puts Temp on the scum list but I have seen so many town flip flopping and I've hardly ever seen scum flip flopping.

Cyan - Hard to read him and I saw it suspicious of him to just follow other players on scum reading Robb when pretty much most of the players were scum reading Robb except for 2 players at the time.

ty kido sorry about my pust bust i just didnt see what they did was in any way good for town.

[cyrus62]

And cyrus to scumread someone based on one thing you think is vaguely scummy is not how to find scum.
It's hard for scum to look towny, and refusing to look over someone's ISO or case them doesn't help town, especially when said ISO could show them to be towny.

you pushed after they soft you wouldnt back down you were told it was bad for town scum could have used it later or thougt they might not be tellung the truth you only hurt town and now we have a less cance of wining this game . i dont think anything you two did helped town in any way and i will let red cyan and rob wigh in on this.

I actually didn't realise it when Temporal started softing; only looking back (albeit two minutes later) did I see it. And I doesn't matter anyway; the moment he softed he was lost to the NK.

spanled if i if anit hard on you on this they think im scum i know you didnt know better so i anit as pisst off at you as i am at her k you didnt push so hard .

[cyrus62]

spanled if i if anit hard on you on this they think im scum i know you didnt know better so i anit as pisst off at you as i am at her k you didnt push so hard .

Question: You think Temp is scum. What do you do in this scenario?

i wait tell theres more poe where i can build a better case and then i go for it there wasnt very much poe you went with they are flip floping what do you think town dose .

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

spanled if i if anit hard on you on this they think im scum i know you didnt know better so i anit as pisst off at you as i am at her k you didnt push so hard .

Question: You think Temp is scum. What do you do in this scenario?

i wait tell theres more poe where i can build a better case and then i go for it there wasnt very much poe you went with they are flip floping what do you think town dose .

We didn't really have many other scumreads though. It would be nice if the PoE grew smaller, but especially as Red and Robb are staying far away from this game, we didn't really have many options other than the ones we took.

@Temporal, who do you think is scum?

you do realize all you did was help scum right not town temps most likely going to point at you two now so now town is fighting and this also doesnt help town.

[cyrus62]

[quote="In post 567, Cyan Talon"]They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to[/quote then lets hope theres a doc right other wise all this did was get a pr killed

[cyrus62]

OK, back again and here are my thoughts:

On one hand, I'm not really a fan of Spangled pushing for the claim, since any PR claim is grounds for scum to make a PR kill later at night. But it's even less beneficial for town if we lynch the PR in question, so this puts Cyrus's argument in the spotlight as being fairly flawed. At the moment, I think that Spangled pushing for the claim sounds like paranoid town, but it's another of those things which is indicative of both alignments.

I still think Sera's case makes some sense, but with the claim coming from Temporal I'm going to have to call it probably a wasted effort unless it turns out he's faking the claim as scum. I just wish her posts could be a little on the shorter and more concise side of things, but having a lot to say isn't any hurtful for town.

so im bad for getting pisst you realize there is only a 25 chance of a doc and cop so we could end up with no pr

[cyrus62]

OK, back again and here are my thoughts:

On one hand, I'm not really a fan of Spangled pushing for the claim, since any PR claim is grounds for scum to make a PR kill later at night. But it's even less beneficial for town if we lynch the PR in question, so this puts Cyrus's argument in the spotlight as being fairly flawed. At the moment, I think that Spangled pushing for the claim sounds like paranoid town, but it's another of those things which is indicative of both alignments.

I still think Sera's case makes some sense, but with the claim coming from Temporal I'm going to have to call it probably a wasted effort unless it turns out he's faking the claim as scum. I just wish her posts could be a little on the shorter and more concise side of things, but having a lot to say isn't any hurtful for town.

so im bad for getting pisst you realize there is only a 25 chance of a doc and cop so we could end up with no pr

Would you rather we lynch the PR?

i was trying to stop the whole thing they playd like a pr thats why i was not for it at all they didnt do nothing scummy the whole thing was a bad wagon we should look at whos on it

[cyrus62]

who was on the wagon spangled thire may have been a scum there

[cyrus62]

temps wagon

[cyrus62]

shit we only have 2 days to find scum i thought it was paused my bad

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

OK, back again and here are my thoughts:

On one hand, I'm not really a fan of Spangled pushing for the claim, since any PR claim is grounds for scum to make a PR kill later at night. But it's even less beneficial for town if we lynch the PR in question, so this puts Cyrus's argument in the spotlight as being fairly flawed. At the moment, I think that Spangled pushing for the claim sounds like paranoid town, but it's another of those things which is indicative of both alignments.

I still think Sera's case makes some sense, but with the claim coming from Temporal I'm going to have to call it probably a wasted effort unless it turns out he's faking the claim as scum. I just wish her posts could be a little on the shorter and more concise side of things, but having a lot to say isn't any hurtful for town.

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

A cop claim. Alright.
If there are real PRs out there, could one claim?
And if anyone lolhammers you are trying to gamethrow.

and on this note, anyone voting TemporalLich should probably get off right about now

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to gain the advantage scum would have had regardless.

They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to[/quote then lets hope theres a doc right other wise all this did was get a pr killed

Have you been paying attention to what I said? If Temporal had already softed PR, he'd be dead no matter what. By claiming he lets the town know as well, so scum don't have any greater advantage.

Temporal is most likely going to die tonight. Claiming wouldn't have changed that.

OK, back again and here are my thoughts:

On one hand, I'm not really a fan of Spangled pushing for the claim, since any PR claim is grounds for scum to make a PR kill later at night. But it's even less beneficial for town if we lynch the PR in question, so this puts Cyrus's argument in the spotlight as being fairly flawed. At the moment, I think that Spangled pushing for the claim sounds like paranoid town, but it's another of those things which is indicative of both alignments.

I still think Sera's case makes some sense, but with the claim coming from Temporal I'm going to have to call it probably a wasted effort unless it turns out he's faking the claim as scum. I just wish her posts could be a little on the shorter and more concise side of things, but having a lot to say isn't any hurtful for town.

so im bad for getting pisst you realize there is only a 25 chance of a doc and cop so we could end up with no pr

Would you rather we lynch the PR?

btw he did post alot and let me if i get this right 1st game here aim at se when unable to take down the se you aim at the only one realy tring to find scum besides my self and your thinking you can just control the lynch like that?

[cyrus62]

VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.

[cyrus62]

scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .

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spangled was lead by her to do so

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they aim at 3 other towns

Wait, you have Red as a townread? What happened to this?

i now however scum read spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

what no case and hes town cuse red said so

or red for saying phone is town cuse i playd with him . i need these people to be looked at closer before i even think of voteing my town reads

(Cyrus has been like this all game btw)

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fixd it

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they aim at 3 other towns

Wait, you have Red as a townread? What happened to this?

i now however scum read spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

what no case and hes town cuse red said so

or red for saying phone is town cuse i playd with him . i need these people to be looked at closer before i even think of voteing my town reads

(Cyrus has been like this all game btw)

thats how i play read my town game i posted word for word dont just skim it

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i shorted red and he come up as town but hasnt been playing much since they thought the game was on hold for 5 days so i have to wait for red and phone to be replaced before i can short better cyan is town temp is town and i am town i want to say spangled is town adorabke is town rob is town im pretty sure your scum and i cant short red as of now or phone but red was scum hunting and i think hes town

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Also I really don't think arguing with Temp is going to get the town anywhere and just clutter up the thread- I'm going to break from the thread for a while unless anyone has any questions or cases against me; I'm happy to engage with either.

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

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show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

If there are any allegations I haven't defended myself against that you would like to me to, please quote them. And I'd love to read that case.

As for reasons why I'm town?

1. I've been incredibly forthright with reads, aggressively pursued them, allowed for my reads to develop organically (see Red and Spangle, in both directions).

you should have made a case for temp for voteing him other then oh he flip flops but you seen every one was pointing at temp so it was a easy lynch if i wouldn't have backed you down you would have killed him what if scum was watching and we only had one pr i mean realy what if come on .

2. Why would I, somebody who is replacing somebody slightly suspected with no town cred, go after you right when I enter when you're nearly universally read as town? Why wouldn't I go for an easier target like Red or phone, both of whom were suspected at the time?

easyest way to be thought of as town this is look at me im so towny becuse i aim for the bigest town i musst be town.

3. Why did I unvote Temp right away? Since I clearly am indicating skepticism of their claim, i could have at least given it the old college try to force the mislynch of a claimed cop through, couldn't I?

3 becuse every one would know you was scum if you didnt step off forceing a clime is scummy enough as i said only 25 chance to have a doc and cop so we may end up with a died pr and then we may have nothing to go on but that you got the pr killed if .

4. I'm honestly not sure what the case on me is beyond "found a claimed PR suspicious and therefore voted him"?

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thank you i showd my scum case just now

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ive also gave me reads and showd who i shorted i read every post as they are sent or try to your post are to big and blog me down.

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Going to spoiler tag this for space reasons.

Spoiler:

you should have made a case for temp for voteing him other then oh he flip flops but you seen every one was pointing at temp so it was a easy lynch if i wouldn't have backed you down you would have killed him what if scum was watching and we only had one pr i mean realy what if come on .

You can't just not lynch anyone because you might hit a PR. That's silly.

Also his engagement with Rob was one point out of the ~7 reasons I gave for Temp being suspicious; I posted that list of reasons that you can go take a look see. My case on Temp was easily the most thorough and nuanced of anybody making any anti-Temp arguments, so I'm not sure you can exactly say I was merely sheeping or following the crowd. Can you actually engage with my case on Temp instead of continually repeating untrue things about it?

easyest way to be thought of as town this is look at me im so towny becuse i aim for the bigest town i musst be town.

How on Earth is "going for somebody that everyone thinks is town" an easy way to get people to think I'm town? Going after one of the most town-read people in the game draws attention to yourself when I could be hunting targets like Phone and Cyan and Red, who people thought were scum anyway and therefore far more likely to sheep me? Instead I called Phone and Red likely town (heck I was even clearer on Red before changing my mind slightly, and that merely reduced him to "likely town" instead of "very town" for me.)

Saying that it's a "WIFOM argument" doesn't carry much weight when at its core literally anything in the game can be called a WIFOM argument. What is the scum motivation for doing it? What has it gotten me as opposed to the easier alternatives?

Also can you explain how I forced Spangled to put Temp at L-1?

thank you i showd my scum case just now

That wasn't a case at all tbh.

no one wants to write a book on here so yes thats the best case i could do ok lol i am going way out of my way to prove my self here 1st i stood by a fellow town didnt know they were pr at the time either but was a town read for me now im going after the person who targeted my bigest town read i realy have no idea any other way to prove im town but by doing what i am do i want to see you hang not with out enough poe but i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy but in town play like you i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to prove that i am town like you and temp so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

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no one wants to write a book on here so yes thats the best case i could do ok lol i am going way out of my way to prove my self here 1st i stood by a fellow town didnt know they were pr at the time either but was a town read for me now im going after the person who targeted my bigest town read i realy have no idea any other way to prove im town but by doing what i am do i want to see you hang not with out enough poe but i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy but in town play like you i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to prove that i am town like you and temp so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

I mean, I think you're scum so I'm not going to get off your back, sorry. I will say that some of your posts sound sincere like this one, and that one post where you put everything on the line for Temp being town was super weird for a Temp partner post, which is in your favor if Temp is scum at least. And there's posts here and there that I've liked well enough; your ISO isn't universally terrible. But I've made various arguments for why I think you're scum, and the ones you've engaged with I simply don't find your responses entirely compelling?

And I admit this game is frustrating me a bit so that was a little snippy, but I legit don't get what the case you and Temp have on me is beyond "Could be scum with Redflavor (like most of the town) and also thought Temp was scum"?

look temp is pr do they have to die before you back down they most likely will . i neverd said red was scum i said i dont trust his reads on phone not enough post scum lurk

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scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .

So you're saying phone and connor are scum... and that trying to get someone you think is scummy lynched doesn't help town...
cyrus, we couldn't see things from your perspective. Only you can. We thought that Temp looked like scum, and pushed for his lynch.

What is so scummy about that

?
I really don't get it; I've explained this over again and again (or I feel like I have).
Temporal could have been scum, and we felt like he was, so we pushed. It didn't help town in the long run, but

we weren't to know that

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Gah. We did the best we could to do what we thought would help town.

as am i

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If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.

let me ask you this why would scum care if you outed a pr. i am calming down now i was pisst off i don't like to lose. i can only sort so much on so little post in 9 days.

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If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.

let me ask you this why would scum care if you outed a pr. i am calming down now i was pisst off i don't like to lose. i can only sort so much on so little post in 9 days.

This is interesting for me. While I still disagree that forcing Temporal to claim was any more hurtful for town than making him stay shut, the fact that Cyrus showed frustration made me lean him as town for a short moment. Suddenly, he uses that as a point for his defense, and I'm feeling the lean wear off since scum are more likely to do actions that they are aware would be easy to justify, defend or gain towncred for.

this is true or i could have been upset becuse if you look there is only one slot with a cop and doctor and if its not that one that we are one then temp and him hurt are chances of winning but heck im bored of this game right now its in stand still for the 2nd tim,me red hasnt posted in 3 days now and hasnt been replaced we now need red phone and rob replaced so yes go a head mate

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what come on im bored right now lynch me then if you so sure im scum then when i flip town maybe your realize a 2nd time i dont lie .

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paused

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2 days

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thinking this games going to get thow out

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im starting to get bored

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is are mod even looking

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can we get a vote count and where is the deadline

Posting now

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day is takeing way to long but at least we can find scum lich do you still feel thorse who forced a pr to ouut them selfs on day one was scum

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i honestly feel spangled was just scum hunting and maybe sera was too what makes me wonder is why did the new guy vote for after you climed pr and no one counter you

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just a queston who did you replace ?

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good i can short phone now about time.

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God rob just seems like angered town but now im starting to think its just angry in general regardless of allignment and he may be scum zzzzzzzzz

he was pisst off cuse of teacher and phone

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but yea he could be scum

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good i can short phone now about time.

hey I just peeped the thread on my phone right before putting it away to go to sleep and I really feel the need to ask you: what the fuck do you mean by “shorting” people? You keep saying that like it has meaning when, in fact, it’s almost like we’re speaking different languages

looking though their post to see if any thing seems ai or not .

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good i can short phone now about time.

hey I just peeped the thread on my phone right before putting it away to go to sleep and I really feel the need to ask you: what the fuck do you mean by “shorting” people? You keep saying that like it has meaning when, in fact, it’s almost like we’re speaking different languages

I think maybe English isn't his first language? Idk you get the gist of what hes trying to say tho

no im just a sad high school, drop out who nerved, mastered English, so sorry if my post are bad. btw turns out that we are to cap the e in the word English.

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At this point RedFlavor might actually be scum, who has me in his scumteam list because I'm still an easy lynch apparently

scummy post

that's your cop your calling scummy.

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At this point RedFlavor might actually be scum, who has me in his scumteam list because I'm still an easy lynch apparently

scummy post

that's your cop your calling scummy.

Woah don't spoil me I haven't gotten that far yet!

just didn't want you to look scummy.

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y to give you the info, but it's played pretty differently over there (much faster days for one thing) so I'm uncertain it will necessarily give you that much valuable intel.

Oh no the wall posts have started RIP me

wait till you see what they did .

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i am having pc issues but will try to press on so if i dint respond right away don't hate me remember this is a game and have fun

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i feel so stupit for helping people not look bad

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Spoiler:

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

this readslist is ass-backwards.

to be very clear, lich is not conftown in my mind. The absence of a counter claim does not mean a claim is valid (

especially

for a softclaim). i'm willing to trust this slot d1 to some extent, but I don't discard the possibility of scum here

Disagreeing with one read is one thing, flat-out contesting the whole read list is another. I'd like an explanation on every slot on here, please.

who are you asking

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At this point RedFlavor might actually be scum, who has me in his scumteam list because I'm still an easy lynch apparently

scummy post

that's your cop your calling scummy.

Woah don't spoil me I haven't gotten that far yet!

just didn't want you to look scummy.

Why are you deliberately trying to protect someone else's image, and why are you literally announcing that?

he just replaced in thought i was helping town maybe

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its funny on my 1st game i was calld scum a lot too laughs

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80024

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my 1st game if you follow it your , see this is how i play.

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every one i dont think any ones read it yet

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i've only had one finished game so its the best i got games 2 and 3 anit done yet

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yes i guess so i dont realy know what to answer there sounds like a trick question.

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so i stated i am having pc issues my charger is busted but i am still able to keep the pc going some what . plan on buying new one soon however i will play though it the best i can.

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Maybe make yourself V/LA for a bit if it gets serious.

or you all could just kill me off joking joking

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adorable you said rob getting mad about the self vote was towny but you then told me cyan getting mad about it was nai which one is it cant be both way?

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vote count and dead line update please?

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adorable you said rob getting mad about the self vote was towny but you then told me cyan getting mad about it was nai which one is it cant be both way?

I never said I town read Rob getting mad about the self vote. I town read Robb because too many players have been scum reading him in the beginning and I always tend to town read a player who gets scum read by most of the players. Cyan getting mad about the self vote is NAI.

k most have been some one else i couldnt find a post on your iso so i wanted to be sure

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Of course, scum can fake annoyance, or be annoyed on principle because it's just silly to self-vote, especially for absolutely no reason.

this sounds like a bad statement why would scum care about town self voteing . wouldnt scum only get mad if it was thire partner doing it?

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im having pc issues still but will try to do iso on every one later if i can

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36 hours till night 1

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day ends at 3pm tommrow im going trust in adorable reads