Role Call I (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

I kinda regret signing up b/c now I have read the mechanics and things.

[Nero Cain]

@all: which player are you least confident in your ability to read?

everyone?

prob mostly vecna b/c he always says silly and scummy things but that applies to like half the playlist so....

[Nero Cain]

I haven't played with you in forever so I have no clue what your scum/town game is like

[Nero Cain]

not my fault you are always scummy.

[Nero Cain]

and then sometimes you actually were scum so...

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Nero

[Nero Cain]

makes sense

[Nero Cain]

I'd rather the neighborhood go to a townread player or at least someone who I think would use it. There's scenarios where you want to communicate night action results only in the neighborhood so an all town neighborhood can be good and NC is pretty null to me so far.

I'm actually not a hard read it's just that most players lack familiarity with me or are just downright horrible.

[Nero Cain]

I'd not give neighbour to Nero, he's been very inactive this game. Adding an active role to him is not right.

I've been inactive for a few pages, why are you acting like this has been an ongoing thing or that it's going to continue?

[Nero Cain]

If we are talking about roles, I think I would want one shot gladiator. I could solve the game with that role Day 2.

how?

Nero why aren't you scumreading me yet?

Do you feel like asking me things when I'm not around is good fake/scumhunting? b/c it seems a bit manipulative to me.

[Nero Cain]

I'll also be the VC maker b/c I already do them in games with inactive mods.

[Nero Cain]

From what I know of RC he gives a similar high level of effort as both alignments making effort=town less indicative for him than it is in a vacuum. You have to read him with different methods

eh.......I haven't really played with RC recently but I actually do think he's much more proactive as scum?

Iconeum replaced into a game about a week before its wedding so we can policy lynch Iconeum here if you feel strongly about this

I'm not the king of PL's. Her's your man *Points @ Nero*

Are you saying that I push pls or that I should be pled?

Ew, preflip associatives. Why do people do those? Especially day 1?

this prob has nothing to do with this game but I see this alot and I think it's stupid as shit. A player thinks X is scum or Y is town and if thats true then they think blah blah blah. You don't need a flip to think that and one of towns best weapons is their voice so throwing out their opinion is just pro-town play.

[Nero Cain]

Then maybe you should lobby for something else other than neighbor. I think the likelihood of Nero’s alignment will become more apparent and clear as he posts.

what would you give me?

[Nero Cain]

Not sure yet. I was hoping you would obvious town by now.

ok, I'm obv town. What would you give me then?

[Nero Cain]

y?

[Nero Cain]

What made you change your mind?

[Nero Cain]

I still don't get it but I'm too tired to think rn.

[Nero Cain]

I haven't really thought about the roles that I'd want. I'd be fine with anything but Inactive, Macho or Compulsive Quitter .

[Nero Cain]

it makes you unable to post for the rest of the game.

[Nero Cain]

it makes you unable to post for the rest of the game.

What the fuck no

of course im kidding, dillhole

[Nero Cain]

it makes you unable to post for the rest of the game.

What the fuck no

of course im kidding, dillhole

What kind of jesus are you

a not so nice one

[Nero Cain]

today seems like a good day, to lynch a scum or two
the one with a strong p are that would implode right away
I try to do that but sometimes I'm really wrong
people need to get the lynching, blame it on POE


I know a town p are; so afraid of getting shot
She's always hiding from something; so many missed nks
I might do that too if that was my role pm
I'm just some vanilla so much flavor in it

useless role pm
not submitting again
you fluffed it up
you left me behind and not caught up
now I wish I was night shot
you're a hinder without a care
a useful p are and I don't care
I do I don't whatever

I know a town p are; so afraid of getting shot
She's always hiding from something; so many missed nks
I try to not be like this, I'm just not helpful at all
there's nothing to see games over; this was a town sweep


useless role pm
not submitting again
you fluffed it up
you left me behind and not caught up
now I wish I was night shot
you're a hinder without a care
a useful p are and I don't care
I do I don't whatever

[Nero Cain]

I'm ok being a compulsive quitter. Not sure if I am the best or if I die permanently. But I'd be around for VCA if I understand

I don't really like how Titus is claiming to not have read/pretending to not have read so now I'm good with this lynch.

I'm going to take another look at the proposal but honestly, I'm just kinda eh...like, idk, the first time I read Vecna's thing about giving the useful pr to not good/hard to read players I was like but I guess it does kinda make sense? I mean I guess I'm just out of my depth and I don't really know what would make for the best role assignments.

[Nero Cain]

What would be the best way to learn to read you?

to just leave me alone and let me gamesolve in peace

[Nero Cain]

not waste your time voting me.

now if you're scum vote parking on me makes sense but as town its a waste of time and energy.

[Nero Cain]

I think I'm not ard to read unriled up b/c I'm just going to game solve and be much more accurate than when I omgus a bunch of shitters on my wagon. Although scum do often vote me so hrmmm...

[Nero Cain]

you are voting me

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: against

I don't really like the idea of vecna as king someone come up with a better plan

[Nero Cain]

if you were voted out how could you replace back in without breaking site rules?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I hammered or anything so why are we doing a hard reset. I just think that Vecna is king is ???

I WILL NOT BOW TO HIM!

[Nero Cain]

I don't see why this would be worrisome (at the end of the day can't we just leash the king?). I don't have a real read on Nero but if he does end up revealed as scum at some point, I think it's good to return to this proposal as one that he didn't want for kind of an unnatural reason

I think Vecna has bad reads so I'm not really wanting him to have an important role like king.

[Nero Cain]

some people played double that much with him and still can't read him at all

this part is v true though

[Nero Cain]

Timid = Iconeum
Vanilla = CheekyTeeky
Macho = Saudade
Inactive = Vecna
Compulsive Quitter = Titus

abd then give everyone else w/e

[Nero Cain]

Who are your top 3 town reads momo?

[Nero Cain]

Who are your top 3 town reads momo?

Pops, vecna, and you

namaste

but y vecna?

[Nero Cain]

Should we not be giving IC to lynchbaiit? Also, I remember Maria R being p good although Shadow and I did tunnel the fuck out of each other in mafia camp.

[Nero Cain]

I don't really like the idea of giving scummy players a miller role b/c assuming we get a cop @ some point they can just use but "im a miller" as an excuse for why they invested as red. Miller should go to someone that's town and a that's being heavily town read by the majority.

And for that reason, I'm out.

VOTE: against

[Nero Cain]

how was my mark cuban impression?

[Nero Cain]

she's saying she's too busy to play. How was that hard to understand?

[Nero Cain]

1-shot Gladiator: Oversoul
Inactive: Gamma Emerald (following partner on this one)
Day 5 Innocent Child: Hidden Happiness (grumble)
Inventor: Iconeum
Day 3 King: popsofctown
Macho: Nero Cain
Miller: momo
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Luv (But we leash him to where we want him)
Vecna:Neighbor
Saudade: Neighbor
apthet: Timid
CheekyTeeky:Night 1 Universal Backup
Titus:Vanilla
Compulsive Quitter: Almost50

the absolute fuck is this?

[Nero Cain]

the absolute fuck is this?

My reads in a nutshell. Problem?

We aren't lynching a50, not that big of fand of apthet being timid (thats the one that can't propose right?) you don't give me macho, thats a role for someone useless that we wouldn't care about dying. Don't give icon inventor

[Nero Cain]

so icon doesn't give inventions to his buddies.

Also letting scum know they have a free shot on me is the worst thing ever. My flip tells no one anything except the ppl that are scum reading me were wrong.

I'll take that 1 shot glad and 1v1 this

[Nero Cain]

I can deal

VOTE: for

[Nero Cain]

im ok with HH being a gladitor b/c we can just lynch them when they use it
ok with Saudude being inactive
ok with gamma being d5 ic
im ok with pops being an inventor
maybe thinking about it I dunno if I want to put a big bullseye on momo's back like that but I TR so I'm generally ok with him being king.
no one cares if cheeky dies
im town and I think giving miller to town is somewhat important b/c any guilties on others we know will be true. Part of me wants something more useful but maybe I'll get those in other days.
md and neighbors aren't that important so its not that big of deal who gets them.
I like timid 4 ico

[Nero Cain]

titus, who would you lynch today if not yourself?

Also, go sign up for FF if you are playing this year

[Nero Cain]

to make new friends?

[Nero Cain]

a50 said he wanted to be in a hood with me earlier *shrugz*

[Nero Cain]

That said, strongest town reads have more important roles.

your town read on me has wanned?

[Nero Cain]

Vecna ur not getting naked day 1. I am.

ummm...no one wants to see a naked vecna.

[Nero Cain]

I don't really like the idea of giving scummy players a miller role b/c assuming we get a cop @ some point they can just use but "im a miller" as an excuse for why they invested as red. Miller should go to someone that's town and a that's being heavily town read by the majority.

And for that reason, I'm out.

VOTE: against

That is exactly what I am darling.

So what do you think about yourself in the IC role, becayse thats the change id expect you to comment on.

The miller allocation has been there for a while.

What does the bolded mean? I mean, giving me IC just gets me shot n4. Do you think that scum want to deal with conf town Nero? no, they don't. I'm not really sure what would be best to give me b/c I'm not very good at long term strategy. I kinda liked the idea of being the backup and having one of the useful prs but eh...

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: against

bad proposal mateys

ok but why? Also, nothing to say about 912?

[Nero Cain]

and if the worst argument against giving you IC is "ill jus tget shot n4" then im not all that bothered? four days of play is a lot in a 14 player setup, abd the game could be over already before.

then shouldn't you be trying to get IC if you believe that?

Also, you can't ask my opinion on getting it and then fuss at me for giving my opinion.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: against

Titus, how would you feel about a Vecna or Icon lynch?

[Nero Cain]

If it's your goal to live past N4, why not go for some of the lesser roles?

you do realize that in the current proposal I am a miller and I was ok with that.

[Nero Cain]

I don't really like the idea of giving scummy players a miller role b/c assuming we get a cop @ some point they can just use but "im a miller" as an excuse for why they invested as red. Miller should go to someone that's town and a that's being heavily town read by the majority.

I dunno why scum would ever want macho.

[Nero Cain]

All other roles will interact with you as though you were Scum, regardless of your actual alignment.

scum getting miller doesn't stop them from investigating as red it just gives them an excuse for investing as red.

[Nero Cain]

I wasnt fussing, you asked me for a reaction to your reply which was that youd get shot n4 for having IC.

you asked me my feelings about having it, yes. And town with a public IC role is just going to get shot @ some point, like thats just commomn sense. But then you misrepped the absolute fuck out of me and said that I was arguing against me being an IC.

you're just fucking scum.

[Nero Cain]

I wouldn't mind lynching icon or Vecna but I'm having a hard time getting over you not realize that you were being lynched and it looked like an intentional dumb tell.

[Nero Cain]

I'll quote pull in a bit. Damn you for not letting me be lazy.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: for

I have a bad feeling about this

ur not townreading momo?

there's going to be some overlap here since this is also a reason why I'm suspicious of Vecna but this made me tinfoil a Vecna-Icon team that takes opposing stances on a player.

I don't really like the idea of giving scummy players a miller role b/c assuming we get a cop @ some point they can just use but "im a miller" as an excuse for why they invested as red. Miller should go to someone that's town and a that's being heavily town read by the majority.

And for that reason, I'm out.

VOTE: against

That is exactly what I am darling.

So what do you think about yourself in the IC role, becayse thats the change id expect you to comment on.

The miller allocation has been there for a while.

What does the bolded mean? I mean, giving me IC just gets me shot n4. Do you think that scum want to deal with conf town Nero? no, they don't. I'm not really sure what would be best to give me b/c I'm not very good at long term strategy. I kinda liked the idea of being the backup and having one of the useful prs but eh...

This sounds like dodging. Being backup is likely to give you a powerfull role, depending on scum strategy which means a likely early exit as well.
If it's your goal to live past N4, why not go for some of the lesser roles?

I just didn't like this interaction. At the time I was being proposed a miller role so what he was saying really made 0 sense. I mean, I was being asked how I felt about being an IC and I gave my honest opinion about it. I think being shaded over it was dumb and scummy.

I feel like we are spending an inordinate amount of time discussing role distribution and kind of just accepting Titus's death which is making me paranoid. I think the most important roles to actually distribute is the miller for obvious reasons and potentially Day 3 King, but to a lesser extent. I think we need to refocus because there seems to be some consternation about Titus and Not-Titus.

I'm having a hard time being active in this game because of the mechanics talk. I'm not very good at it, and I tend to start sheeping if I can't keep up with the discussion.

this pinged me hard though.

[Nero Cain]

im being so lazy rm

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I've ever played a complete game with him. He's either new Yume or a Yume alt.

[Nero Cain]

Why does it surprise you that people (being me) question your motives after youve been arguing against any proposal where I get a powerfull role?

You now say you scumread me on some reaction from icon, but you were constantly shading any proposal where I got anything meaningfull way before that.

???? I don't even know what this is but I'm sure that it's stupid and I don't see the point or even what the intent is other to argue.

And then afterwards you make a big fuss about me asking you why this was the thing you commented in, as opposed to your own IC role.

Why should I have commented on it? You asked me my thoughts on getting it and I think it just gets me shot. I mean how is that not common sense? The

ONLY

reason scum would leave an IC alive is their reads are soooooooooooo bad that they are like a 4th scum member.

I started scum reading you b/c trying to frame my answer as "complaining" was scummy as shit.

[Nero Cain]

or I guess my not wanting Vecna to give himself the miller role came b4 he lied about me complaining about the IC role. So maybe it was the just Vecna giving himself the miller that pinged me in the first place or maybe it was something b4 then. Oops, I forgot something about this game, say it isn't so! On the plus side, we get to watch Vecna huff and puff about how I'm scummy

[Nero Cain]

giving me Gladiator and Nero the Backup = NKing me and giving Nero a worthless role (one he can't use w.o. the other players' consent). I'd be OK if you gave me King, Motion Detector or Inventor for Nero to inherit that.

awww, you care about what role I get.

but glad isn't useless. I can lynch scum with it and in the event that I'm wrong and tunneling bad town I can lynch them and move on. Win-Win for us.

[Nero Cain]

apparently, I didn't miss out of much. I'd switch Vecna and Piss though.

VOTE: against

[Nero Cain]

hey Titus, how are you at reading Maria and that other person?

[Nero Cain]

no, I'm not. You asked me a question. I responded. You then claimed I said something that I didn't say and when I called you on it you are now trying to throw it back in my face? eat rope, butthead.

or bevais, IDK wich one that is.

rn I'm leaning you, cheeky and icon team.

[Nero Cain]

So youre voting down the first wagon that pops up on scum (fypov) because im a neighbour?

apparently, I didn't miss out of much. I'd switch Vecna and Piss though.

VOTE: against

If this is your problem with the proposal, why did you vote against it? It seems like a minor issue

Dat echo!

11 days, 11 hours, 15 minutes

Deadline is literally over a week away. We have plenty of time to tweak.

[Nero Cain]

Feels to me your more busy trying to look good in this exchange over anything else

What a meaningless platitude.

[Nero Cain]

remind me why you wanted Saunde inactive?

[Nero Cain]

Macho = momo

no

Compulsive Quitter = apthet

no

VOTE: against

[Nero Cain]

What do you want to be?

[Nero Cain]

1-shot Gladiator: apthet
Inactive: Vecna
Day 5 Innocent Child: CheekyTeeky
Inventor: Gamma Emerald
Day 3 King: pisskop
Macho: popsofctown
Miller: Oversoul
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Hidden Happiness
Neighbour: Titus
Neighbour: Lil Uzi Vert
Timid: Almost50
Night 1 Universal Backup: Nero Cain
Vanilla: momo
Compulsive Quitter: Iconeum

huh?

[Nero Cain]

or I guess thinking about it it might not that be that big of a deal if momo was macho. I'm just thinking that if momo lives through the night we'd want the ability to protect him but if he dies tonight then we don't really lose anything. I just don't really know where to put people. idk.

maybe switch Almost and Titus.

[Nero Cain]

but if I was it'd be almost50/

Nero Cain

/CheekyTeeky

wrong but y? b/c a50 is hard town reading me?

I have some mixed feelings about like half of this, are you willing to explain some of it?

sure. Whatcha wanna talk about?

[Nero Cain]

Why did you pick who you did for the neighborhood and the ON MD? Is Vecna Inactive because of your seat or some other reason?

my list is almost identical to the current proposal with just a few ppl moved around.

I liked Pops thing about giving LUV a hood role b/c he's "bad" at them. MD and Vecna's role stayed the same. Where would you like to see ppl?

[Nero Cain]

Current proposal (by Almost50):
Inactive: Vecna
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Hidden Happiness
Neighbour: Titus

VOTE: For

Inactive: Vecna
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Hidden Happiness
Neighbour: Titus

???

[Nero Cain]

you're right, it was piss

I’m not good in neighborhoods.

Actually kind of the point.

[Nero Cain]

What role do you want me to have momo?

[Nero Cain]

Why are you bias against me?

[Nero Cain]

???

What do you not like?

[Nero Cain]

I think my lynch pool for today in order of preference, currently is:

A50

CT
Icon/Titus

Nero
Gamma

didn't you fuss @ me earlier for thinking those two are scum? kinda odd you think they are scum but are light defending them at the same time.

[Nero Cain]

What's wrong with a fat lynch pool and where did I have one?

[Nero Cain]

should we not propose until oversoul and titus are replaced?

[Nero Cain]

I thought you'd be all up in arms over me being glad.

[Nero Cain]

a50 didn't you also town read Cheeky in w/e game we played last?

[Nero Cain]

a day 5 IC is a delayed cop. We should give it to someone that we think could be a deep wolf and not someone that might be lynched. Although giving them IC discourages a lynch there anyways.

[Nero Cain]

every's town reading Vecna despite him being scummy as fuck although I guess part of that is my fault b/c I've been too lazy to write my angry rant against him. So I wouldn't mind getting a d5 guilty on him.

[Nero Cain]

not that ppl would sheep me anyways even if I did explain why he's scum but yeah....

[Nero Cain]

nothing's stopping you from making that post now? convince me otherwise?

What part of lazy do you not understand? Also, you are his scum buddy so it's not like I need to convince you of something that you already know.

[Nero Cain]

not that ppl would sheep me anyways even if I did explain why he's scum but yeah....

Imagine, people being able to see through the nonsense.

I am rarely sheeped. It's not like I'm saying that I won't case you b/c I don't think I'd get sheeped but thanks for trying to frame something in a neg light b/c you are proving my case 4 me.

[Nero Cain]

I almost wanted to town read Nero for his recent proposal draft but I remember he fakes some really bad reads as scum.

What even is this?

[Nero Cain]

I am rarely sheeped. It's not like I'm saying that I won't case you b/c I don't think I'd get sheeped but thanks for trying to frame something in a neg light b/c you are proving my case 4 me.

Why bother complain that people aren't following your read when in the same breath you say you don't wanna put up the effort to case? What's even the point?

b/c im not fucking complaining.

[Nero Cain]

What do you want me to explain.

[Nero Cain]

quoting and stuff id effort but when I get up sure

[Nero Cain]

scum pulled this out, awesome.