Role Call I (Game Over)

[Titus]

Hey I am subbing for the hydra. I am also drunk.

Try to lynch me but I have zero access to RC hydra chat.

He probably subbed out to preserve his won percentage.

No matter. We"ll lynch thevscum and win.

[Titus]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

[Titus]

I'm ok being a compulsive quitter. Not sure if I am the best or if I die permanently. But I'd be around for VCA if I understand

[Titus]

My gut TRs are against this but I am ok with my role.

Deliberately stalling on voting.

[Titus]

Just ok?

[Titus]

Gun to my head if mono is scum, Vecna greater than rand scum

[Titus]

My gut TRs are against this but I am ok with my role.

Deliberately stalling on voting.

Why are you okay with this proposal?

My thought exactly.

There's no way town endorses their own lynch.

The only possible logic is scum trying to look town.

I'm not dead though. I'd get to do my VCA day 3. I'd also be conftown and unkillable.

[Titus]

Am I misunderstanding compulsive quitter?

[Titus]

Mod: Mechanics question, am I treestumped or dead if I am the quitter?

[Titus]

VOTE: Against

Fuck that noisr.

[Titus]

The above series of posts from Titus wins the fakest shit I've seen in a while award.

Does she seriously not understand what a lynch is, not understand her position in the game (it's only been 20 something pages, you can read), or is she hoping to stall the vote to cause another lynch?

I thought I'd be treestumped. The wiki has a townie can quit to avoid being lynched. Essentially, my role functions as a day 1 veto at best with the new understanding.

If I was treestumped, I get to VCA. Much cooler with that.

[Titus]

Momo what's your Vecna read?

[Titus]

Eh I agree with Nero somewhat, it's better to not provoke him as it imo becomes harder to read him if he gets riled up. That said I think the clearest method to read him I've come up with only works if he gets riled up.

dont do crack cocaine boys n girls

Ex-fucking-scuse me?

What, that upset you?

Yes, I feel you're discrediting my statement with a drug allegation which is fucking disgusting

Gemma's town. I had an instance with ETL like this.

[Titus]

not like its a new thought momo, but yeah it does look like 3/4 in RC/Hh/CT/GE

Ok, keep hating me for no fucking reason lol

I actually am running with the theory scum like a Vecna king because his impulsive town feuding nature

[Titus]

I'll draft something in awhile or tomorrow

[Titus]

Eh I agree with Nero somewhat, it's better to not provoke him as it imo becomes harder to read him if he gets riled up. That said I think the clearest method to read him I've come up with only works if he gets riled up.

dont do crack cocaine boys n girls

Ex-fucking-scuse me?

What, that upset you?

Yes, I feel you're discrediting my statement with a drug allegation which is fucking disgusting

Gemma's town. I had an instance with ETL like this.

That was pretty soft.

?

[Titus]

I'll draft something in awhile or tomorrow

dude read the game and the roles first though...not knowing how the lynch works was kind of sad

btw, idk if u realize this, but RC was scummy af

and ur scumslip while drunk wasn't that great too

No one town pushes RC. He just insults them to death.

[Titus]

Momo you should know I don't read on sub in.

[Titus]

Eh I agree with Nero somewhat, it's better to not provoke him as it imo becomes harder to read him if he gets riled up. That said I think the clearest method to read him I've come up with only works if he gets riled up.

dont do crack cocaine boys n girls

Ex-fucking-scuse me?

What, that upset you?

Yes, I feel you're discrediting my statement with a drug allegation which is fucking disgusting

Gemma's town. I had an instance with ETL like this.

Can you explain this? ETL the player?

Yeah. Years ago I played a game with ETL. I was correct on an early read. She accused me of being on coke as I was helping someone get off weed. Gamma and Vecna's tone matches that fight.

[Titus]

@HH Who is !Maria in your hydra?

I think OS can be weak town and pops might be scum wanting to have Gamma and Vecna fight.

[Titus]

Yeah. Years ago I played a game with ETL. I was correct on an early read. She accused me of being on coke as I was helping someone get off weed. Gamma and Vecna's tone matches that fight.

What were the alignments in that game? I find this to be too specific to be a universal way of reacting (which is what you seem to be implying).

Etl and I were both town

[Titus]

Do you really think that on night 2 the Universal Backup's Motion Detector (can't be deployed that night) Inventor (one shot already consumed) or... neighbor...?.. is going to be the most powerful PR available for the mafia to shoot at after D2 roles are distributed?

Huh?

[Titus]

@HH Who is !Maria in your hydra?

I think OS can be weak town and pops might be scum wanting to have Gamma and Vecna fight.

That's literally the opposite of what I posted?
And I'm a little offended you'd think I'd employ that as scumplay? That's gross?

It's gross to use the "genuine frustration" to shade HH here.

[Titus]

people think townreads should be bad roles so that scum can't shoot a townread and a power role at the same time.

Something they can't start doing until night 2.

Maybe.

Nonsense. Townreads should be the best roles for their personality type.

[Titus]

We need to give people in the poe strongish roles

Umm no

[Titus]

1-shot Gladiator (Day): Once in the game, during the Day when no proposal is being voted on, you may challenge a player via bold post in the game thread ("Challenge: player"). All proposals that day are invalid unless they give the Compulsive Quitter role either to you, or to the player you challenged.
Inactive (Passive): For the rest of the game, proposals that give you a Day or Night action are invalid.
Day 5 Innocent Child (Passive): If you are Town-aligned, your alignment will be publicly revealed at the start of Day 5.
Inventor (Night): Once each on four Nights in the game, you may grant a new night action to a player in the game (other than yourself). Each of these actions may be given once:
Spoiler: Inventions
Day 3 King (Passive): On Day 3, no other player will be able to propose; as the last remaining player with a proposal, your proposal will therefore be accepted automatically, without voting.
Macho (Passive): Protective roles will fail when used on you.
Miller (Passive): All other roles will interact with you as though you were Scum, regardless of your actual alignment.
Odd-Night Motion Detector (Night): Once on each odd-numbered night, you may choose a player, and will learn whether or not there was motion involving that player that night. A player has motion involving them if they use a Night action, or if a Night action is used on them, or both.
Neighbour (Passive): You will gain access to read and post in the Neighbour private topic, and may use it to discuss the game with the other players there.
Neighbour (Passive): You will gain access to read and post in the Neighbour private topic, and may use it to discuss the game with the other players there.
Timid (Passive): You cannot make proposals.
Night 1 Universal Backup (Passive): At the end of Night 1, you will automatically gain the role of the player who was eliminated Night 1.
Vanilla (Passive): This role doesn't do anything.
Compulsive Quitter (Twilight): You immediately leave the game and are eliminated.

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Alright, I'll first go through theory then assignments.

1 shot gladiator: This should be given to an unpersuasive scumread or locktown with accurate reads. I tend to favor the former as accurate lock town don't need the help getting the lynch. The unpersuasive scumread then will either lock in scum and pick their battle or lock in town and die. Current lean: Icon
Inactive: Near permanent vanilla. I'd take this due to the heat on my slot. Ideally, this is a scumfuck though. Backup is town we want alive but who is shit with night actions.
IC: Late game powerhouse or mislynch, HH Oversoul and myself are good choices here. I'd remove myself because I'd be shot before it triggers but I'd do this one.
Inventor: I think Vecna's good for this one. It forces the slot to think which town is good at which thing rather than tunnel harding.
Day 3 king: Gamma, we need a passive, empathic ruler who won't get shot.
Odd Night Motion Detector: Nero
Neighbors a50 and sauade

Timid: Cheeky, quiet now no proposals
N1 backup: lil
Vanilla: momo - I am not sure if momo is scum but I don't want him to have a pr
Quitter aphet - Should be a scumread. I'd put pops here but I think that's a day 1 or that's not happening.

[Titus]

Tldr my proposal is

Gladiate: icon
Inactive: Titus [For you told people, it's me realizing my spot's too shaded to be let near power and I'd be shot if I got day 5 if before it's useful).
IC: Oversoul
Inventor: Vecna
D3 King: Gamma
Odd Night Motion Detector: Nero
Neighbors: A50 and Sausuade (I think at least one is scum)
Timid: Cheeky
Backup: Oversoul (Realized he didn't have a role in my last draft).
Vanilla: Momo
Quitter: Aphetet

Lil is odd man out

[Titus]

Sorry HH is backup not Lil

[Titus]

Why is Apthet scum?

I'm not 100% certain on that read. (Would prefer pops/A50/Sau) However, I feel like he's just on the outskirts poking. I also don't know him well enough to accurately place him in the other categories.

[Titus]

I really liked A50 or Nero for IC tbh. such hard to read slots

They'd be dead before day 5 if town, negating the point. If Vecna was an inventor though, he could give Nero or A50 a friendly neighbor button.

[Titus]

Gladiator - Almost50
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Gamma Emerald
Inventor - Iconeum
D3 King - popsofctown
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Vecna
Odd Night Motion Detector - apthet
Neighbor - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor- momo
Timid - Hidden Happiness
N1 Universal Backup - Nero Cain
Vanilla - Oversoul
Compulsive Quitter - Titus

This is the proposal from 605 that was pretty consensus with the change that switches a50 and gamma.

If anyone wants to propose this, you have my vote.

This is hot garbage.

[Titus]

Like every role that has lynch potential control has a scumread on it.

[Titus]

Tldr my proposal is

Gladiate: icon
Inactive: Titus [For you told people, it's me realizing my spot's too shaded to be let near power and I'd be shot if I got day 5 if before it's useful).
IC: Oversoul
Inventor: Vecna
D3 King: Gamma
Odd Night Motion Detector: Nero
Neighbors: A50 and Sausuade (I think at least one is scum)
Timid: Cheeky
Backup: Oversoul (Realized he didn't have a role in my last draft).
Vanilla: Momo
Quitter: Aphetet

Lil is odd man out

Your reads are hot garbage.

Apthet has been objectively towny. There's definitely not enough to lynch him.

I kinda like gamma this game, but he's too hard to D1 read to give him King.

You clearly don't understand how to properly utilize the neighbors role. There's two main strats we can take. One strong town person and one person that we can't read that well. Or two strong town ppl so that they can discuss openly.

Your read on me changes (seriously, how do you go from gun to head if I'm not town, to u don't know my alignment). U tried pocketing me, it didn't work, so now ur trying to undermine me.

If you bothered to read the game, you would know that pops has been towny. His points that you found scummy all seemed valid to me.

Obviously nobody is a mind reader but a reasonable assumption is that the roles get better as the days go on. Especially when considering that none of the roles available today are particularly powerful.

I don't need to read the entire game to know pops is egging people on to fight each other, apthet is an active lurker at best.

I used a neighbor role to network to a flawless victory before. My pairing of A50 and sausage should be unobjectionable to you. If A50 is scum, then Sau figures it out or we got a two scum hood. If A50 is town, he'll sort Sau. It's a win for town regardless of the accuracy of my A50 SR.

Try and spin a narrative where you're a victim but the truth is your picks only help scum here. Half the thread is obvtown and it's town's job to get them the best roles that exist now.

[Titus]

Like every role that has lynch potential control has a scumread on it.

ik u sr a50 but we agreed earlier in the game as town (which you would know if you read the game you fucking replaced into) that using the gladiator role is basically a scum claim.

pops isn't scum. that's facts.

You agreed to be an idiot or help scum. I didn't.

Pops is almost certainly scum. So is A50.

[Titus]

Your win condition isn't to make momo happy it's to kill all the mafia.

If he's truly your top townread you should want him king.
I don't particularly want the gladiator ability to be on someone who's eager to use it. Gladiator days generate less information. It's only a half step away from governor where technically if you fire it very accurately it furthers the town wincon but overall you're subverting the protown mechanics of the game and it's negative utility really.

Posts like this make me think Pops is up your ass momo.

I townread Vecna but I'd never want him King. He'd murder Gamma.

[Titus]

Proposal 2 - Proposed by Vecna

Gladiator - Almost50
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Nero Cain
Inventor - Iconeum
D3 King - Momo
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Vecna
Odd Night Motion Detector - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor - Popsofctown
Neighbor - Gamma Emerald
Timid - Hidden Happiness
N1 Universal Backup - Aphtet
Vanilla - Oversoul
Compulsive Quitter - Titus

Make yourself inventor. Then give a late game powerhouse ic.

Nero's dead by day 5.

[Titus]

@Vecna, Momo is scum or agency captured. I also think King is strong if the King knows what they are doing and isn't a hothead. (I am a hot head too.)

Nero's pretty easy to sort. He's town here. Nero also is not a late game powerhouse as he doesn't live that long.

Ensuring someone friendly neighbors him in the next four days works just the same as IC.

I'd do it too if it gets town working together.

[Titus]

also, in case it wasnt obvious yet: giving out the hero item as inventor is a scumclaim

Actually no but that's a rare situation it can be useful and not worth outing.

[Titus]

@Oversoul HH would be the backup. I corrected that flaw later. You're good enough as town and had lurker issues in the past that can make you lynchbait.

VOTE: Against

Can we stop locking in proposals that don't work?

I came in, gave the correct response when I recovered. What more do you want? I can't catch the entire scumteam, explain optimal strategy, stop town from biting it's own head off, block scum from getting the PRs and clear myself alone.

[Titus]

@momo: That doesn't make sense now. Both you and Oversoul drafted proposals that gave Vecna the Miller. He just did what you guys implied you wanted him to get. Not his fault.

Vecna should not be Miller. Vecna in a Miller proposal "must be lynched" after he mislynched a townie unless he gets the FN.

[Titus]

Why do Pops and Gamma have neighbors?



Lurker issues? When did I have lurker issues?

Umm practically every game before I came back. You'd be great early but fall off.

[Titus]

l

To quote pops, i'm not willing to let good be the enemy of perfect

we still have a lot of time, new proposals can extend the deadline

how about we just reject this one, and have you propose one that gives vecna inventor and iconeum miller

that proposal is better, and town would have nothing to lose

plus a longer day gives us more information

Ok, then vote against. I think Vecna inventor is better but there are other improvements.

Miller should not go to a lurker for instance. Because that forces the inventor's hand.

[Titus]

Hmm... I’ll need to check into my own history. I don’t think I would ever consider myself a lurker.

Look at the stretch of games where you'd get replaced or prodded a lot.

[Titus]

oversoul

would you be willing to make a proposal identical to vecna's but switching vecna and iconeum

Why are we rushing putting forth proposals?

Can we at least discuss mine?

[Titus]

Hmm... I’ll need to check into my own history. I don’t think I would ever consider myself a lurker.

Look at the stretch of games where you'd get replaced or prodded a lot.

Ah yes. My Great Depression.

Depression sucks. Sorry. I was dealing with it when I left for awhile. Still do.

[Titus]

My main issue is that this proposal seemingly negates the usefulness of the neighbors despite multiple people saying they could read one another in the neighborhood. Once it fails I will propose momo

VOTE: Against

I think I see your reasoning for giving him the inventor.

Neighbors can be used as either
1) Masonry
2) At least 1 unknown sorting each other
3) Two scumfucks to block them from prs.

[Titus]

and then you had to go and say regardless of your alignment

The way Titus phrased some of her posts suggest she might be town here, and in this case RC was just being RC.

In short, I am not as sure Titus flips scum here anymore, but her play isn't gonna get us anywhere closer to win if she is Town.

And who is us here? The only thing you've done since you got back is needle me over not reading.

Common sense says a miller friendly neighbor can exist. Why would anyone suspect the mod of rewriting the the rules? A simple hey that's not how it works and hunting would be fine but you have to look like you're doing something.

Do something other than bitch about me scumfuck.

[Titus]

1-shot Gladiator: Oversoul
Inactive: Gamma Emerald (following partner on this one)
Day 5 Innocent Child: Hidden Happiness (grumble)
Inventor: Iconeum
Day 3 King: popsofctown
Macho: Nero Cain
Miller: momo
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Luv (But we leash him to where we want him)
Vecna:Neighbor
Saudade: Neighbor
apthet: Timid
CheekyTeeky:Night 1 Universal Backup
Titus:Vanilla
Compulsive Quitter: Almost50

I could work with this with a few minor changes. Swap Vecna for Icon. Nero for Pops.

[Titus]

Not perfect then but ok

[Titus]

So you agree with every reason?

VOTE: Against

[Titus]

I can deal

VOTE: for

Why the hell can you deal? Welcome back btw.

[Titus]

So you agree with every reason?

VOTE: Against

Yeah.

Bullshit. You basically just want the day over with. Knock it off and play to win.

[Titus]

@HH

What did my hydra partner even do that was so scummy? :thonk:
At the moment I think the inventor should go to ice
Sau gets the Glad

Almost gets the king or IC

Momo gets miller
Gamma gets inactive
Cheeky gets timid

How does this go to

1-shot Gladiator: Oversoul
Inactive: Gamma Emerald (following partner on this one)
Day 5 Innocent Child: Hidden Happiness (grumble)
Inventor: Iconeum
Day 3 King: popsofctown
Macho: Nero Cain
Miller: momo
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Luv (But we leash him to where we want him)
Vecna:Neighbor
Saudade: Neighbor
apthet: Timid
CheekyTeeky:Night 1 Universal Backup
Titus:Vanilla

Compulsive Quitter: Almost50

This? (emphasis mine)

Your iso is mostly devoid of any mention of Almost except for 799, which I disagree with. I don't think how you're describing Almost's is a fair representation of the tone I got from that post. It seems to be referencing another game where Titus caused the town to lose and he is accordingly wary of the same thing in this game.

Oversoul, I am the biggest poster on MS still. Every player has good Titus memories and scars.

It doesn't excuse A50s wolfy pop in to shade me.

Compare A50 to LuV and you can see alignment different tone get on with it.

[Titus]

Well every player but A has the scars and good memories

[Titus]

Hey Nero hello

[Titus]

titus, who would you lynch today if not yourself?

Also, go sign up for FF if you are playing this year

A50

[Titus]

Nero momo is scum or agency captured dude

I am also drunk

This game is probably over because scum will just spam all the smart town are scum protect the strong PRs they gave themselves

[Titus]

are you really fine with vecna giving himself miller?

He's town

i get that, hell my second proposal gave him the role

that doens't mean it's a good look

and since he is town, he should be getting inventor...

You were literally asking me to propose it that way. I took your proposal and improved a few parts.

Ive not been pushing for anything myself. fact remains, pretty much everyone correctly townreads me and I can handle the shade.

Can we please kill A50 momo or sausage

If not icon or lyv

[Titus]

Reject this proposal we can do it...

My bac might be a .20 jsyk

[Titus]

Iconeum is actually in the scumpool though, which is the exact reason he is getting inventor.

Im fine people stating that this proposal can have thibgs improved, but this proposed change/swap is garbage and will just result in me being n1d

Nooo

Inventor should be town holy fuck

Whoever proposed scum get strong PRs needscto die

[Titus]

Vecna ur not getting naked day 1. I am. That's why scum are after me. You're an ifiot tunneling gama.

No offense lu but ur Gamma read is shit.

[Titus]

My autocorrect is powerful lol.

[Titus]

I do not feel like he has done any real scumhunting this game. He called you out for wanting King, among other roles, and then when momo did it he looked the other way. I feel like he is purposefully trying to keep a low profile in a game with a lot of head strong players.

Also, your proposal is so far out of left field I don't even know what to do with it. For the record, I would never use my gladiator ability (unless I had a guilty).

I think the way ice has played the game has been fine compared to other players. I know a fact no one would ever say yes to my proposal but I felt if I threw it out there it'd draw some attention to my slot so people would stop ignoring me

This is a poor way to draw attention. A player of your calliber is perfectly capable of getting attention. Throwing away your proposal like that seems fishy.

I mean maybe a50 said that

but did i remember it?

no i did not

if iconeum is gonna lowkey scumside and vote yes every single proposal and maybe like 2-3 other people do that i wanted to jam a proposal rather than take a moment to research my choices better because now there's strategic edge to proposing at that point

I voted yes on one (1) proposal this game. One. I've been playing this game, and was VLA for the weekend. How is that lowkeying?

Oh come on. You and you scumbuddies want me dead with no talking. Icon didn't throw away anything.

[Titus]

are you really fine with vecna giving himself miller?

He's town

i get that, hell my second proposal gave him the role

that doens't mean it's a good look

and since he is town, he should be getting inventor...

You were literally asking me to propose it that way. I took your proposal and improved a few parts.

Ive not been pushing for anything myself. fact remains, pretty much everyone correctly townreads me and I can handle the shade.

Can we please kill A50 momo or sausage

If not icon or lyv

Why kill town?

No one in my scumread is worthy of a townread much less a strong one

[Titus]

We could lynch apthet too if we have to drop one of my reads

[Titus]

and then you had to go and say regardless of your alignment

The way Titus phrased some of her posts suggest she might be town here, and in this case RC was just being RC.

In short, I am not as sure Titus flips scum here anymore, but her play isn't gonna get us anywhere closer to win if she is Town.

And who is us here? The only thing you've done since you got back is needle me over not reading.

Common sense says a miller friendly neighbor can exist. Why would anyone suspect the mod of rewriting the the rules? A simple hey that's not how it works and hunting would be fine but you have to look like you're doing something.

Do something other than bitch about me scumfuck.

and she's scum

why do people have to get so emotional when playing mafia

someone scumreading you isn't a fucking personal attack

this wasnt over being scumread though. This was because A50 was calling her bad town.

Drop the sexist emotional attack.

Who cares about the "emotion" and actually engage me.

Oh wait, that's against your wincon.

Can we vote this down and let me carry this?

[Titus]

Sorry momo was doing the emotional attack not vecna

[Titus]

Titus, if the proposal was to kill off Mr. Happiness, what would you say?

Only if to save me.

You'd need a hell of a case he agency captured me and town hard tunneled on RC and never gave me a chance bc RC quit to preserve his winrate.

Not impossible but no interest today.

[Titus]

I do not feel like he has done any real scumhunting this game. He called you out for wanting King, among other roles, and then when momo did it he looked the other way. I feel like he is purposefully trying to keep a low profile in a game with a lot of head strong players.

Also, your proposal is so far out of left field I don't even know what to do with it. For the record, I would never use my gladiator ability (unless I had a guilty).

I think the way ice has played the game has been fine compared to other players. I know a fact no one would ever say yes to my proposal but I felt if I threw it out there it'd draw some attention to my slot so people would stop ignoring me

This is a poor way to draw attention. A player of your calliber is perfectly capable of getting attention. Throwing away your proposal like that seems fishy.

I mean maybe a50 said that

but did i remember it?

no i did not

if iconeum is gonna lowkey scumside and vote yes every single proposal and maybe like 2-3 other people do that i wanted to jam a proposal rather than take a moment to research my choices better because now there's strategic edge to proposing at that point

I voted yes on one (1) proposal this game. One. I've been playing this game, and was VLA for the weekend. How is that lowkeying?

The V/LA is what makes me upset about the For vote. Because any reasonable timetable for that proposal passing has you performing no further dayplay and coming back on Monday to perform night actions. Town!Iconeum wants a larger part in D1 than that.

If you, for whatever RL reasons, were active on MS.net during the process of the proposal passing I'd be less pissed that you voted For. You're either scum or were willing to put very little effort into Day 1.

*gets popcorn as her gun to her head scumread fight*

[Titus]

guys, I hate to say it, but im starting to get town feelings from the titus slot here.

I hate that out of all of the people you said this. Does scum Vecna really town a read around at this point? Maybe for credit if he does nothing to stop the Titus lynch but it makes me second guess my scumread on this slot since Titus is obv town.

guys, I hate to say it, but im starting to get town feelings from the titus slot here.

i guess

but you have to consider the context this read is coming in

because she claims to have not read the game, she hasn't addressed the valid scumreads on her slot

she's pushing forward trying to act town, but i just don't feel it

completely ignoring the fact that the majority of the game wants you lynched isn't a good look

like i'm known for having an idgaf attitude about wagons as town, but as town in this game, if all the serious proposals had me getting lynched, i'd address the issue

Just because everyone was so hung up on RC doesn't mean we should just dismiss Titus. You don't try to 'act' town what kind of logic is this? Are you getting towny vibes from her and just dismissing it as acting or? This was the same thing with the CheekyTeeky catch up. 'These look town but....' Let me explainsomething: Everything in the game can be towny or scummy period. It's about the actions itself and the player that are important and Titus actions are blatantly obv town. The unawareness of her lynch. The way she's acting. All blatantly town.

are you really fine with vecna giving himself miller?

He's town

Hard nope.

Are you that heavily townreading Iconeum?

Are you not? Because you should be. If you're not why

And this post also makes me think HH is town.

Either im being played properly by hh and titus (whic is possible) or theres some major powerwolfing goin on up in here.

Hey whatever gets you to vote scum

But A50 is obvscum

[Titus]

Odd-Night Motion Detector: Luv (But we leash him to where we want him)

Best idea I've seen in all thread! Let's tell scum which of their members not to send to do the kill, or who is best to target with the rolestop, REALLY great idea!

Hmmmm

Wow does A50 really think the md works as a tracker?

By his logic we should lynch him for nor reading

[Titus]

@Nero, I would lynch icon. I am like 90% confident in Vecna town.

@Gamma, Allows pops to make noise. Logic says miller and macho are better for scum.

[Titus]

Logic says miller and macho are better for scum.

Was this meant to be "scum would prefer to have them" or "better for town to give to scum"?

The second.

[Titus]

@Nero, I would lynch icon. I am like 90% confident in Vecna town.

@Gamma, Allows pops to make noise. Logic says miller and macho are better for scum.

I really don't get it so you're gonna have to spell it out for me.

Miller = scum vanilla. If scum get miller, all cop results are guaranteed accurate.

[Titus]

Actually hold up has it been asked what happens if a Miller uses FN? By the wording of the Miller ability it might not be a failure

The suggestion is that this would fail. I got roasted for suggesting this combo hard.

[Titus]

I feel like we are spending an inordinate amount of time discussing role distribution and kind of just accepting Titus's death which is making me paranoid. I think the most important roles to actually distribute is the miller for obvious reasons and potentially Day 3 King, but to a lesser extent. I think we need to refocus because there seems to be some consternation about Titus and Not-Titus.

Maybe your townreads who keep having spammy mechanics talk and harping on me might not be town...

[Titus]

A50 should never be the lynch here. Why let HH live for so long? Titus just vanilla?

So much wrong here

A50 is obvscum, so why not lynch?
HH is town so why not have him live.
What's wrong with being vanilla? It appeases the Titus sucks crowd while keeping town me alive.

[Titus]

Can you just reject this proposal and lynch the scumclaimer?

[Titus]

Anyways, I need to just refrain from talking to Nero too much. Nothing productive ever comes of it, and for some reason we always irritate the shit out of eachother

Good, I like it when my boys get along.

[Titus]

I crumbed it earlier but stating it more explicitly means this current proposal might be best right now for strategizing around the nightkill + WIFOM around my claim.

Yeah, see I got a slight bone to pick with that.

[Titus]

Pops, nice try but his wording was clear. None of our roles offer special synergy with a motion detector. A rolestopper does. Which team has a rolestopper?

@Gamma, Don't be an ass. RC did sub out bc Salt. Town RC thinks he's too good to be lynched Day 1. It's what happens when you think you're God's gift to mafia.

[Titus]

Cheeky with the wolfy popins

[Titus]

@

mod

I motiondetector and rolestopper target the same person, does the motion detector get "no motion" or "no result"?

That's clear from the PM but the synergy still works well.

No way to detect a scum strongman.

[Titus]

Glork is God's gift to mafia.

But God is taking him back

It sucks. I know. I stayed at polyhouse when I was in NC for a friend's wedding.

[Titus]

Apthet misunderstood that everyone has multiacting, and receiving motiondetector N1 synergizes with receiving doc or something N2 with the multiacting.

She asked you politely to pay attention to her pronoun and start using it.

You're right to call me out on the pronoun.

*shrug* On the lack of common sense and defending apthet. That was a scumclaim.

Apthet Cheeky and A50 are all scum. You and momo are competing townbeards.

[Titus]

Agency captured = townbeard?

You weakened a bit when you suspected A50 but strengthen anytime you mention roles mechanics or logic.

[Titus]

Agency captured = townbeard?

You weakened a bit when you suspected A50 but strengthen anytime you mention roles mechanics or logic.

Your scumread weakened

[Titus]

Agency captured can town, sure, so I'm more suspicious of your progression on me. Not sure why town!Titus is giving me credit for an a50 stance I haven't taken and not sure I'd buy the shift even if I had actually done so.

I thought it was you who said A50 might be scum. Ugh.

[Titus]

I feel so stupid I could cry :,(

Don't. I know someone in this game who never reads the OP too. Oh, I'll stop at that so it won't become personal. Just remember that

not reading the game mechanics makes you feel bad and look stupid

in the future.

Oh wow A50 does nothing but attack people for misreading mechanics. However he treats A different than me. Wonder why that is? Oh wait, I am calling A50 scum and highlighting active lurking.

[Titus]

A50, who is scum? Who is town? Talk about something other than mechanics.

[Titus]

If it makes you feel any better you should look up Bumi and Homestuck mafia. I accidentally faked a guilty on a town PR and got them lynched. It was v tragic

We all have bad games. Sucks.

Doesn't mean A is town because she asked for a pity party.

Even if you disagree, can we play mafia now?

[Titus]

Alright, guys I'm very sorry that I haven't been on that much lately. Last week, because of fourth of July, i took the entire week of, so my activity was unusual. Back at work and my schedule is kinda annoying but here goes.

I'm going to VOTE: for again.

It's possible that a50 is scum. It's also very possible that Titus is scum. It's also possible that they are scum together.
(My thoughts on this: RC was scummy. Like this is basically objective fact at this time. a50's reaction to RC first posts, the ones that were incredibly sus and eventually resulted in our fight and people scumreading him, was that for the first time, he was townreading RC. The first time RC mentioned a50 was asking him why he wasn't doing anything useful. a50 responds that he has already said that my slot (momo) is the towniest in the game, and he's not going back on that. RC doesn't push him further. This seemed very much like an interaction in between two scumbuddies.

Then, when he was sufficiently townread, a50 went inactive. (To be fair, one could argue that I'm doing the same thing, but ik my motivations are different). When pressure comes on him again, he's right back. It was very un a50-like to basically sit out my and RC's argument. He didn't want to alienate town on his side, but he didn't want to push against his scum buddy either.

Ofc, then a50 could have also been town.

@popsofctown's

about 2 obvscum and 1 deepwolf struck a cord with me. In any situation in which a50 is scum, this statement would most likely be true. But then a50 agreed. That response (1047 to 1046) doesn't seem like something scum would make.

Because of this,

a50 is NOT in my D1 lynchpool

.

Now, moving on to the Titus lynch (and why I have voted for again). I hate to make this argument, because it could very well be interpreted as scummy (but could be towny as well), the Titus lynch gives us the most information.

If Titus is scum, this is obvious. We get a scum lynch, and information.

If Titus is town, we also get a lot of information. Let's be fair, the majority of the substantive interactions D1 have surrounded the slot. Lynching town would be a loss, but it would also give us a lot. It would help differentiate in between town and scum. We could view people on wagons, their tones when interacting with the slot, the level of commitment made.

I don't want to lynch town. I don't think Titus is town. But even if she is, her lynch helps town win the game.

The proposal being voted on right now is a solid available path. Lynching Titus is almost certainly the best path forward. This is why, I must revote for, and why I think the rest of town should too.

Tldr

Momo says A50 is his partner but won't lynch it because of Titus is more active. Thus more things to obfuscate from.

[Titus]

Because I'm not sure about this arrangement but I don't want things to drag on too long and it hits key points for me. As such I'm amenable to hammering this at this point.
VOTE: For

This is why you don't triple propose without at least discussing my proposal pops.

I can't get a majority of town against my lynch repeatedly. So scum lurk.

[Titus]

Well yeah.

It's likely mono icon apthet and a50.

Not 100% sure but like 65%.

[Titus]

Well yeah.

It's likely mono icon apthet and a50.

Not 100% sure but like 65%.

Jesus read the setup, only 3 scum ffs

I forgot the word in.

[Titus]

Why aren’t we lynching scum yet?

You could vote against but I've never had high faith in your early game.

[Titus]

@pops, how are A50 and apthet in opposition to each other when I've highlighted A50 not posting game related content since I came in?

The closest he has is hard core needling my mistakes while babying Apthet.

Yet he votes against my lynch.

But sure, I have a wierd progression on A50 because he's been obvscum since I came in... and apthet may have tried to fake a townslip.

[Titus]

A50, who is scum? Who is town? Talk about something other than mechanics.

I'll only respond to someone who treats me with respect, not be drunk everytime they talk to me.

And I actually feel titus is correct about this slot. There was some genuineness there after I first called A50 out, where I felt I was wrong, but.....

All recent posts just make me feel my initial impression of the slot was correct. I dont feel genuine analysis from A50 this game. It just feels oportunistic, and like the slot is actively looking for stuff to scumread.

just my read

There's also a strong difference between drunk Titus and sober Titus too...

That's just discrediting to say I'm always drunk. Some say drunk Titus is more relatable.

[Titus]

You know what? I'm gonna go mechanical.

VOTE: against

I'll put my trust in Nero

Doesn't respect me.
Hates my reads.
Discusses mechanics constantly. Never mentions anything clearing.
Suddenly against for mechanical reasons

Pops, I can lead you to water but I can't make you drink.

[Titus]

I have this weird feeling the game is probably 1 deepwolf 2 obvscum, because otherwise the proposals would have either butterglided or hardbounced.

Am I crazy?

Im afraid this type of setup (while fun and awesome) has a tendency to make a certain crowd "proposal-tired"

+1

[Titus]

VOTE: For

Not my favorite, but the scum reads don't have PRs and Cheeky is hard lurking.

If Cheeky obvtowns, I might change but I am ok with this.

[Titus]

Cheeky is almost certainly scum. Saying "you're lynching me over people that have content" almost certainly indicates that she's lurking to avoid pressure.

That said making Titus and Vecna neighbors isn't something that I can vote for. Titus is scummy imo and Vecna is already townreading her. I tr Vecna, but I don't want him to be Titus' neighbor. If Titus is a neighbor, the other neighbor must be a someone that will look at her critically that is widely townread. I'd volunteer, but people seem to want to give me miller. If that keeps me alive, it's whatever.

VOTE: against

The last time Vecna and I played together, Vecna and I almost tore each other up. He's fully capable of being critical. This also implies that someone town reading me cannot use critical thinking with me.

Vecna has shown the most critical thinking here. That's why I didn't stop him from sorting Nero although I think he's town.

[Titus]

It's statements and implications like 1187 that ping me as scum. Momo stalls the game, makes it takes longer, shades people playing correctly and tries to control who has influence on me.

I can't legit see town complaining that there's only certain players I should be hooded with if my hood partner is town.

[Titus]

I also can't fathom who would pass momo's test