Role Call I (Game Over)

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Have read precisely 0% of this game, am replacing in due to the request of someone who is not at all involved in the game (to my knowledge) that I replace in.

What should I know before I read?

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Youre town

I'm starting to think scum role pms are a distant day dream. That lost promised land of being able to manipulate people with impunity.

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Hmm. This is an interesting setup.

Have any breaking night strats been discussed?

Have the proposals been forced or voluntary?

Has everyone said what they'd propose given they were the next proposal?

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I think there's moderate utility in forcing scummier players to propose first, tbh, to ensure the last proposal isn't in scum's hands.



Goes to scummy:
Compulsive Quitter (Twilight)
Timid (Passive)
Macho (Passive)
1-shot Gladiator (Day) Gladiator should probably be a permaholster, so that can go to someone who isn't trustworthy and if they try to abuse it we just lynch them.
Day 5 Innocent Child (Passive) I'd give this to someone like RC who can be powerful for town but is dangerous as a deepwolf. In absence of someone like RC, probably a weaker scumread, since they're by definition going to stick around for a long time.

Goes to Null:
Neighbour (Passive)
Neighbour (Passive)
Vanilla (Passive)
Odd-Night Motion Detector (Night) - Probably a useless role, given that it looks like most people are going to have night actions.
Inactive (Passive) Similar to Innventor. We can use this to put the most dangerous scum tools out of reach permanently, so it should be someone likely to survive for a long time.
Inventor (Night) We definitely want Inventor to survive, but their actions are easily held accountable the day after they happen, so a weaker townread makes the most sense there.


Goes to Town:
Day 3 King (Passive) - We definitely want King out of scum's hands.
Night 1 Universal Backup (Passive) - Universal Backup should be someone likely to eat a nightkill. Preferably the person most likely to eat a nightkill, to prevent scum from manipulating a negative onto them.
Miller (Passive) We should give this to someone who can be trusted to obvtown without the influence of PR's so that it's completely null.


This is my first instinct with the prioritizing of roles. Top of each of town and scum should be the strongest read of that variety. Is this roughly where the assignments have come from?

If you've assigned in a different way, why and how?

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What we're voting for?

Apparently we get to staple things to people's role PMs during the day. We're voting For/Against the most recent proposal.

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Mad Libs!

I saw the post from Jingle, in which he _____ described the roles that were _____. When I read it, I felt _____ that he would _____ so _____. I liked how it was _____ and stated _____ so _____. When I _____ _____ I want to be _____ like _____.

_____ is still _____, and nothing you say will _____ that. When I think about them, I am _____. I _____ the current _____, and you should _____, yourself.

You're doing it wrong, mad libs are supposed to specify a part of speech.

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This is a semblance of dayplay.

I'm trying to figure out why 7 people have made the assignments that they have. That's pretty much the only thing I CAN contribute until I'm caught up.

If you want more traditional dayplay, tell me who is scummy/towny and why.

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People insist apthet is the towniest town that had ever towned it up AND they seem to trust him making the right calls with the inventor. If he is town he's probably going to be killed N1 and his role passed to the UNB (that would be pisskop) and them PK will never know who apthet game his N1 invention to.

@mod: Sorry if this has been asked, but if UBackup inherits inventor do they get all of the inventions or is the one apthet used still expended?

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I'm actually pretty okay with the reasons in 1834.

I'll ISO AP to see if I think the hammer there is justified, but I'm pretty okay sheeping pops here rn.

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So... What about A50 is scummy again?

1402 in particular seems pretty damn town and I'm not sure where any of the scumreads are coming from yet, except a weakass gut read from Vecna like forever ago.

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Really, looking here it feels like the reasoning on A50 is that A50 is scummy because A50 is scummy.

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I want to hear from Ico, I think, about why he specifically wanted AP to be the lynch. The whole back and forth between him and LUV feels off.

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Vecna, why is AP scum?

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Well, there goes the townread from 1902.

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LUV, do you wanna comment on the fact I think Ico/You seems off when he was outsourcing the proposal?

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Well, there goes the townread from 1902.

How come?

I really liked the admission that you're just fishing for information with the lynch. Following that up with a scumteam guess is gross.

It's not an "I'm scumreading Vecna now" level of gross, but it definitely makes me want to read you more closelier.

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Oh, UNVOTE:

I realize it doesn't matter, but I feel like the unofficial vote count might actually be useful if we take it seriously.

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Doesn't seem like it is to me.

AORN, I'd probably prefer switching Ico/AP and You/Momo.

I still think there's interactions to be had with LUV/Ico though.

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@Creature: Thoughts?

Spoiler:

My scumpool is A50/CT/Nero

Talk about your CT scumread.

His early D1 sorting felt forced. Started lurking until he was being put up the chopping block. Wants to take any role just to survive.
There's not 1 thing that really sticks out, it's a general feeling (forced).

Could someone give me some homework or something to do. I still want to lynch within Cheeky/HH/Titus.

Make a proposal that I can sheep?

I thought I had one and then it got voted down

The main problem that I’m finding with every proposal is gladiator, neighbor, and who gets backup. Each proposal has gotten shot down one way or the other for a majority of people due to not liking who will be receiving those roles.

The difference is that proposals are slowly running out, and I want to have mine be usefull. I'm also prettttty bad when it comes to mechanics despite really trying to get my head around them this game. I don't get much further then giving towny roles to my town reads and negative roles to the scummy reads…
So make me a proposal, we discuss it, and then nobody has to worry about me being one of the last players still having one.

And if I don't 'obey' our agreed proposal, you can still lynch me on the next day. Seems like a nice safety line

1-shot Gladiator: Almost50
Inactive: Titus
Day 5 Innocent Child: Nero Cain
Inventor: apthet
Day 3 King: Oversoul
Macho: Lil Uzi Vert
Miller: momo
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Gamma Emerald
Neighbor: popsofctown
Neighbor: Vecna
Timid: Hidden Happiness
Night 1 Universal Backup: pisskop
Vanilla: Iconeum
Compulsive Quitter: CheekyTeeky

From first thoughts i'd:

Switch CT with A50 (I scumread A50. CT to a lesser extent, and I think gladiator is the perfect tool for forcing this slot to become more active).
Switch Nero with HH

Other then that I think it's acceptable

Quoting in case the majority wants Ico to propose.

I'm down for a proposal, but there hasn't been a whole lot of discussion about what I would change in it and the very least I would change CT with A50. Nero and HH positions are less important then the actual lynch

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Any objections?

I object to not being scum with mono and demand an immediate reroll.

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From a lot practical standpoint though, you’re wasting your time with that. There’s like 2200 potential scum teams in a 14 player thread with three scum. Even discounting yourself, each player has to consider 1700 or so teams.

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snip

You're also bad at madlibs. It's supposed to be one word per line.

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AORN, I'd probably prefer switching Ico/AP and You/Momo.

Why would you give miller to a scumread?

Are you saying that Creature is a good cop target?

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AORN, I'd probably prefer switching Ico/AP and You/Momo.

Why would you give miller to a scumread?

Are you saying that Creature is a good cop target?

What? This is going over my head.

If Creat is town, we'll find that out through dayplay. If not, we'll find that out through day play.

Therefore, giving Creat of all people a miller doesn't really matter.

Waiting to hear about AP's conclusions. Probably not going to do a lot of ISO-ing this weekend. Sorry buddy, but I'm being lazy rn.

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Ank is in this game?

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Also, Vecna seems to have mastered the art of convincing me he's town and then tearing that read down in a single post.

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1-shot Gladiator: CheekyTeeky
Inactive: momo
Day 5 Innocent Child: Nero Cain
Inventor: apthet
Day 3 King: Jingle
Macho: Lil Uzi Vert
Miller: Creature
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Gamma Emerald
Neighbour: popsofctown
Neighbour: Vecna
Timid: Hidden Happiness
Night 1 Universal Backup: pisskop
Vanilla: AP
Compulsive Quitter: Iconeum

I am strongly considering hammering the against and proposing this if I don't like Ico's entry to the thread tomorrow, btw.

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I have no meta on Austin Powers I've never played with him before.

From my experience, if AP starts making jokes with me about flipping me as Queen Latifah, he's probably the mod.

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I'll make an avatar bet on that, the conditions being that if I win, my avatar becomes Scholarship Student Isis, and if I lose, my avatar becomes Scholarship Student Isis

I'll make an avatar bet on literally anything, the terms being that it I win the bet, pops' avatar becomes Scholarship Student Isis and if I lose the bet pops' avatar becomes Scholarship Student Isis.

Normally, I'd offer to do any avatar bet where my new avatar was related to my username, but the current one is a Pine gift and it deserves at least another month.

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Like, I give you town and scum and you decide what to do with them.

As long as it's tiered that's workable.


BTW:

Rough headspace:

Town:
AP
Pops
Creat

Townish
Gamma
Cheeky
HH (I vaguely remember thinking something was a townslip when ISOing someone else)

Null:
Vecna

Scummish:
Ico

I feel like the majority of the recent activity is town for sure though.

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I can teach you that too.

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Don't let Creature stop you from being a cunning linguist, AP. Nor a master debater.

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Sell me pops town and I'll shoot Jay Z myself and introduce you Beyonce in the funeral.

Sorry this took so long, but I got distracted by site chat.

Spoiler:

This game more badly needs some semblance of dayplay than it needs to get slight edges from figuring out whether inactive is for scumreads or townreads or whatever

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : CheekyTeeky
  Negative utility role put on a widely scumread player
  
  
• Inactive
  : Creature
  Negative utility role put on a widely scumread slot. Little bit of a bad fit given the permanence of inactive being a mismatch for a replaced slot. but eh. can't get these things perfect
  
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Nero Cain
  Many players express difficult reading Nero Cain in general, and he hasn't taken any unusual actions that push him towards the edge of his townrange or scumrange today
  
  
• Inventor
  : apthet
  Positive utility role on a widely townread slot. Between the Universal Backup and the fact that only 2 of the inventions are good there's no reason to be concerned about allowing the mafia to shoot a townread and a PR in the same shot here
  
  
• Day 3 King
  : Jingle
  Oversoul was widely townread. D3 king sounds kinda like double daykill vig in a way so it's scary for it to not be on a townread
  
  
• Macho
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  Negative utility role on a scummy player but also one who is hardly slicing the game apart with his solves so why would you be in a hurry to protect him even if you TR'ed him
  
  
• Miller
  : momo
  Both a widely townread player and a player who plays in such a fashion that we should be able to read him based on future play without relying on investigations
  
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Gamma Emerald
  People kinda townread him I think? this role is positive utility and we lose a useful n1 investigate if this doesn't go to town, but would lose little if it was NKed between universal backup and the odd-knighting. I would put Vecna here but no proposal is perfect
  
  
• Neighbour
  : popsofctown
  it would maybe be nice to return to TRing Vecna if he could spend 48 hours overnight explaining to me why his lynchpool is so damn huge
  
  
• Neighbour
  : Vecna
  
• Timid
  : Hidden Happiness
  People keep putting this in every proposal because Hidden Happiness made a post on like page 3 saying she wasn't excited about the setup complexity and core mechanic. She then made it clear it bothered her a lot to lose access to proactive play and she was not happy with the idea of having the role, while several players, myself included, think you can just get someone else to propose what you'd want and it's whatever and wouldn't mind. It'd seem like a meme to me if Shadoweh didn't already seem to be having an unfun time this game and not giving her timid could help with that in a way that I don't see in any conflict with wincon
  
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : pisskop
  One of the really wide townreads so he gets a role which in some scenarios becomes positive utility but importantly can become the special negative utility of Miller
  
  
• Vanilla
  : Iconeum
  Iconeum proposed and knew better than to ask for anything better than vanilla because a few people scumread him.
  
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : AP

He has been pretty scummy this game and memeing casts into doubt his ability to solve. Getting this lynch might raise the question of why Titus or CT lynch was harder but having that question will be something to work with

oh vecna and I are both widely townread so we get positive utility roles. the combo with neighbor is getting investigative roles on later nights and putting them on one of the neighbors, then reporting clears in the neighborhood but not reporting clears in the thread. When one neighbor is NKed the other neighbor reports what all the clears are without those clears having been put at risk for NK. There's some shakiness to it including what if 1 neighbor is scum but like there's some tricks you can try to pull I guess

I don't think he would bus you, so a redflip of you clears a slot I am suspicious of, rendering this a high information flip.

I'm not a huge believer in preflip assocs and expecting to name the entire scumteam day1 so it's very reasonable to find you individually scummy.

These all felt solvey-helpful in a "I want the new player to get a handle on the game in as unbiased a manner as possible" way but not in a "Let's pocket Jingle" way. Also, I liked her overselling how useful neighbors were when it's proposed to be going to her.

Is there a reason I should be scumreading her?

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@mods: If you don't mind, please replace this slot with Bingle, an alt I just made to keep my games and modding separate.

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Huh, I was planning to go by the Normal ruling but apparently there isn't one.

Uh... yeah there is.

From the tracker wiki page: “If a Tracker is somehow blocked from their action (by Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Rolestopper, Ascetic, or Commuter), they should receive a "No Result" pm, rather than a "did not see anything" pm.”

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TBC, if you’re resolving it differently I have no issue with that, but it is a deviation from normal guidelines.

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Oh shit, nvm I’m being dumb.

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Why was I lynched?

Genuinly curious

Your ISO was short, so I could fake a legitimate scumread on you easily.

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Wait a minute this was my idea And then you almost proposed giving it to Cheeky This game was amusing behind the scenes. I could not have asked for better people to three stooges through this with. A game like this probably requires a lot more compromise then people are used to (let the kentucky guy have his weird statue). Uh not to the point of voting yourself though. I'm not used to this fascination with flipping people for associations pre-flip, I was very confused why Titus flipping town could possibly clear me of anything and momo-RC fighting seemed very town suicidal.

Wait, you're not Dunn?