Role Call I (Game Over)

[Almost50]

Really? Pops and Saudade scum.

Disagree about Pops.

[Almost50]

I'm getting at that a difficult to read player seems like the best fit for the IC role.

That would be RC (The SSS hydra) then. They're hard to lynch without a hard guilty, yet everybody wants to lynch them from the word go anyway.

[Almost50]

If we are talking about roles, I think I would want one shot gladiator. I could solve the game with that role Day 2.

How about we all play the game for now and leave the roles alone for a while? I am not concerned about what role I land as much as I am about not giving certain roles to scum.

[Almost50]

Hey I wanted to ego post anyway and I was too lazy to log in Hydra so

Forget the roles for now and concentrate on who you think is town and scum

I think this is one of the rare times I give RC town points off his first post!! (Should I be worried?)

[Almost50]

HURT: Whimsicott

If you want me to stay on top of things (sort of) please use the player names not their nicknames. Thank you very much.

[Almost50]

might as well get this over with:

VOTE: Saudude

Consider it an in-advance OMGUS

Worst entrance so far. Not necessarily scummy, but bad in the sense it addresses NOTHING in the game. It just denies the reader ANY kind of thought regarding your alignment.

[Almost50]

Each role must be given to one player, and each player must get a role.

Didn’t realize that everyone must get role

Felt like a minor town slip

I think timid and inactive should go to players who are lynch bait. Two of the towniest players should be neighbors.

Turned my alarm back on

[Almost50]

Read the mechanic peasant

He did, did you?

[Almost50]

@Mod how would a Timid King work?

I'm probably going to have a lot of mech questions throughout the game

Interesting question!

[Almost50]

@all: which player are you least confident in your ability to read?

Anyone I don't know and Saudade

??
since when have you read me right lol

Saudade, my dear friend.. could you

please

read the post you're responding to

before

you actually respond to it? I'll give you free town points (and a milkshake on top of that) if you do. Thank you.

[Almost50]

I was also having a wank in the shower at the same time so I wouldnt push people to the rope over this read @ page 3

Poor little nation went down the sink.

[Almost50]

I want to distribute in the town rather than which PR I want to take for myself therefore I scumread anyone asking for a specific role for himself

can I be neighbour with cheekybreeky

I give up!

@All: I think IC should go to Saudade. I can't read him any better than I can read hieroglyphic

[Almost50]

I bet LUV would love to be my neughbour

You said you won't be carrying the town this game, so you should aim for VT or Timid with that perspective. I suggested IC for you but I still want to give that to RC (if town, scum won't shoot him on N1/N2 over others, and if scum he gets lynched on D5).

[Almost50]

Hey everyone, taking off for the holiday. See you tomorrow~!

I guess Icon will have to settle for 2nd best (or worst in this case). THIS happens to be the worst entrance of the game

[Almost50]

Here's a new strategy: Let's all in to games we know we won't play. Like, if you're on a holiday. or if you have exams, or you have a new job.. you're wedding is within a week.. etc.

[Almost50]

RadiantCowbells, which faction do you enjoy playing more?

Someone does NOT know RC!!!

[Almost50]

I disagree with your point about Lil Uzi Vert's "townslip", for the record

Unlike Saudade; I do not promote my reads to be gospel

[Almost50]

Does anyone have any history with Saudade? Does he play contradictory like that?

*Sigh* Saudade is the closest to Saudade I've ever seen!

[Almost50]

How is Apthet’s entrance bad? That looks null to me.

Ir addresses NOTHING about the game. NOTHING!

[Almost50]

I like Alchemist. :happy:

??

[Almost50]

I have an off feeling about a50.
His posts really feel to me like hes trying to immitate his towngame, but it feels different from what im used, slightly less genuine

like, 152 and 153 dont really feel like things hed nornally get irritated over?

159 isnt really something youd make a surprised post about?

Feels a bit like just grasping for stuff to comment on.

Ill see myself out

Found the slot that's gonna be my "pain in the neck" all game. The last game it was Alchemist, so I hope you'll have the same courtesy as him and apologize post game.

For now, carry on..

[Almost50]

I like Alchemist. :happy:

??

I thought your post was funny. I just imagined a random man screaming nothing at his computer and then made me laugh.

[Almost50]

Iconeum replaced into a game about a week before its wedding so we can policy lynch Iconeum here if you feel strongly about this

I'm not the king of PL's. Her's your man *Points @ Nero*

[Almost50]

OK... here's and unofficial proposition for you all..

Inactive = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Timid = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Compulsive Quitter = Saudade
Day 5 Innocent Child = Sothis Stefon Styx (RadiantCowbells/Baezu hydra)

Explanation:

momo's my top TR. I initially wanted to give him the D3 King, but he requested the Gladiator so I decided to grant him his wish.

Vecna is my 2nd top Trm so he gets the D3 King

3rd is popsofctown. He probably has good reads so I would trust him with giving away the inventions (can switch with Vecna if they both feel like it)

Cheeky & SSS come next, but -as I said- I am paranoid about RC. I don't want to have that paranoia working against me for the whole game, so I decided to stick with my choice of giving that slot the IC and give Cheeky the Universal Backup.

Note: If RC is Town and Cheeky is somehow scum RV cannot be killed on N1 because Cheeky doesn't want to be guiltied on D5. If RC is scum and Cheely is town the NK should not be on a strong PR because RC doesn't want that to still be in town hands.
If they're both scum we've set one up for the lynch D5 and the other is easier to sort (Cheeky)

I don't have a read on Nero and I think we both can sort each other in a neighborhood (where we are likely to share a little bit more than we do in the main thread).

On the other end I obviously don't trust Saudade, and Maria doesn't want to be bothered with the "mechanics" anyway.

I was left with the Motion Detector to give to someone and then 4 roles that won't matter much, so I decided Gamma can have the MD and distributed the other 4 "however may be"

Disclaimer: You'd notice I have not submitted this as an official proposal, so nothing's carved in stone. This is but a draft to outline what I'm thinking and get the discussions going. Feel free to support/oppose any of the proposed assignments, provided you give more reasoning than "I don't like this" or "I don't want that"

[Almost50]

@pops: I'll concede those are good points. Do you object to Vecna having King though?

[Almost50]

I'd rather you be king

No, thanks. I mean, I'm much obliged, but that's a BIG responsibility that I'd rather give to someone who has both good reads and a strong personality. (My reads can vary from game to game, but a town leader I know I am not)

P-edit: It took me some time to read that post, but it confirms my read on momo (and why I wanted him to be King initially). Thanks for being a townie, momo

[Almost50]

@momo:

1- Why do you SR RC?
2- My point was "you can SR RC all you want, but getting him lynched w/o an explicit guilty is a pain in the arse", and I see no other investigative roles on the list top use on the slot.

[Almost50]

I also think that giving us the Day 5 IC removes any even slight motivation for scum to not kill us immediately.

Killing a D5 IC on N1?? Over an Inventor & a Gladiator??

[Almost50]

How does that sound?

Sounds good.. but only if you and Maria are scum together. 2 slots guaranteed not to be lynched till D5!! I take back my unofficial proposal.

[Almost50]

I also think that giving us the Day 5 IC removes any even slight motivation for scum to not kill us immediately.

Killing a D5 IC on N1?? Over an Inventor & a Gladiator??

This. His entire plan is based on a false assumption that he would be NKd. Over inventor, gladiator, and KING if that goes to town.

I didn't mention King because they could still be NK'd on N2 not N1.

[Almost50]

I think miller and vanilla should be given to universal town reads. They can essentially function as named townies and that’s pretty strong.

That's all cool and dandy, but I would like to see you give your reads so I can have an idea of your provision linking theory to practice.

[Almost50]

I think giving timid to those kind of players makes it harder for scum to push on them. I can easily see lynch bait proposing something poorly thought out and getting pushed for it. Inactive makes it so that way scum can’t try to suggest giving these kind of players roles they may mishandle or just not best suited for.

But you're looking at this from only one angle. Lynchbait will always be lynchbait and your plan makes it more likely for them to make it to LyLo. Remember: Just because a player is lynchbaity doesn't mean they couldn't have rolled scum. Even more, if they are town taking them to LyLo is still risky because they could get lynched then.

We need to find equilibrium between handing our strong roles to strong town reads, strong players and keeping these strong TRs/players alive (so far I haven't found a proper formula but I'm working on it)

[Almost50]

Could you obvious town A50?

I don't care about being "obvious" as much as I want to be "useful" town. That said, I think I have obv!towned already.

[Almost50]

is it that they won't be worth the NK for scum?

Yes. Vanilla, Timid & Inactive are all low impact roles so unlikely to be NK'd. Unfortunately they are also so low impact they should not be given to the stronger town players.

[Almost50]

A50 why aren't you commenting on something more useful?

Like what exactly?

[Almost50]

after all, if you think that I'm scum, why are you trying to convince me that your case on me holds water?

Would you rather he gives you the silent treat (I'm not positive, but I think you don't like to play with Wisdom)

[Almost50]

almost50

you 'still' have not addressed my read on Momo, why?

I have, and long before this silly feud started.

momo is the towniest slot in the game

. He was when I said it and he still is.

What I'm trying to decide is YOUR alignment, because deciding that could be the difference between us winning or losing the game (as either alignment. If you're town and I SR you we lose. If you're scum and I TR you we lose. If you're scum and I SR you we may have a chance. If you're town and I TR you our chance is bigger).

So I think I'm not passing any official proposals until I've decided on your slot.

[Almost50]

I already think momo's proposed scumteam isn't very good so I'm ok with them being ejected

Except we don't lynch people for their bad reads. We need to lynch SCUM, and everytime we do so we not only reduce the size of the scum team, nut we also deny them additional roles/abilities.

[Almost50]

Sothis Stefon Styx is being replaced.

[Almost50]

Oh, shit! One scum lord replaced by one scum lord"ess" (so to speak)

Hello, Titus. I hope your health is getting better. Also, tell Math I miss playing with him.

Now odd we go: let's lynch TITUS.

I honestly don't know about RC's replace out, but if I was in a hydra and replaced out shouldn't the other head take over as dingle player? The fact that Baezu never posted and didn't take over is pinging more than the fact RV replaced out.

[Almost50]

This is the second iteration. I made minor changes overall. I still haven't changed the stronger roles though.

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Sothis Stefon Styx (RadiantCowbells/Baezu hydra)

[Almost50]

My only question is why you want to neighborize Nero? He hasn't posted much as far as I can remember. What's your logic on this one?

I just think I can read Nero (and he can read me) well enough. If there are a couple who are known to have good reads on each other I am willing to give them neighbors instead (you're right about Nero not being active, but the game is still young. He

can

disappear for sometime but when he does show up he's sure to make his presence well noticed.)

[Almost50]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

Perhaps you should read his ISO before you sink yourself any deeper. He was in a hydra, so it didn't affect his winrate anyway.

Given that I don't have to try to play to winrate

over an enjoyable game experience, I'm not willing to play with that under the off chance that it's town doing it.

See?

[Almost50]

VOTE: For

@Oversoul: I don't think you need worry about CT being the backup. If pops gets popped as Inventor I'm sure he hands out Activated Hero tonight, so the remaining 3 inventions are: BG (useless for scum), Fruit Vendor/Visitor (useless for scum), and Announcing Mailman (Not totally useless but not overly dangerous).

Basically the Inventor's real power is for N1 (and since there are no Roleblockers then scum will have to guess who Pops is going to hand it to in order to stop him), but then he's still not a great kill.

momo as the Gladiator? Then what? Preventing a Gladiator shot (for the price of having it themselves) is a bad idea. First off, chances are the Gladiator shot is going to end up between 2 townies anyway, so why take the chance and guarantee one scum is in it??

D3 King (Vecna) is also a stupid kill considering they'd be giving both the Gladiator and the Inventor the chance to use their roles. Then the distribution of roles on D3 has to be agreed upon BEFORE the proposal is official or it will be treated as explicit scum claim.

One of the Neighbors then? Sure.. but then CT is and easy read for both myself and Nero (not as easy as cake, but not as hard as rock either). Nero even tends to SR her everytime, so that'd be bad for her if she's scum.

That leaves us with the Motion Detector, which is the weakest investigative role ever.

In short, I'd worry more about who got the original role(s) than if Cheeky inherited them.

[Almost50]

The problem with giving you neighbor means that nero would become Day 5 IC. a50 says he can read nero. And given your D1, I would say that you are one of the few viable options for D5 IC that I actually see making it to D5 with that role.

I don't even know Oversoul (or if I so then I dunno whose alt it is), so being with him in a neighborhood is useless. the Neighbors need to be 2 people who know each other well enough to make it beneficial for the town (and less so for scum since they can't "pocket" the townie neighbor if one happened to be scum)

[Almost50]

You're basically proposing to neuter me forever

Timid isn't neutering you though. Inactive is. Unless you rate the proposals (that have to be sanctioned by the majority) more powerful than the actual abilities if the roles.

[Almost50]

Pocketing is when scum sweet talk a townie to convince them they're town too. This is obviously much easier to do 1 on 1 (i.e. in a 2 person neighborhood) provided the two players don't know each other well. It becomes harder the bigger the neighborhood is, or the more the two players are familiar with each other... obviously.

[Almost50]

I kinda want neighbor but I'll defer

You can only have the Neighbor if you have someone specific you think you can read with good precision. Who do you think you

can

read well?

[Almost50]

From your current PoV "Can never be King" isn't a big deal but you can't predict if that's the same situation a few days down the road.

What makes you think we will have the same list of roles on subsequent days? King is on the D1 list. I'm almost sure it won't appear on D2. I dunno what

will

but -to my understanding- we get a

different

list of roles at the start of each game day.

The shortest way to explain why I think this is:

Here are the roles you get to allocate for Day 1!

This strongly hints we will have a different list on subsequent days, don't you think?

[Almost50]

Are you saying that I push pls or that I should be pled?

Tbf, you don't actually push them that much but you do bring them up more often.

[Almost50]

oh then we should get the neighbor roles so that cfj doesn't have to bother making a Private Topic I guess.

Huh?

[Almost50]

Then maybe you should lobby for something else other than neighbor. I think the likelihood of Nero’s alignment will become more apparent and clear as he posts.

what would you give me?

Nero for inventor tbh

I've got a

fun idea

: "Let's all PM the mod with "if I was Inventor I'd give <ability name> to <player name>", and they can post those PMs post-game.

@Mod: Sorry! I know it's a little annoying to have your inbox floaded with unnecessary junk, but of you'tr game my choice is ready.

[Almost50]

What would be the best way to learn to read

you

Nero?

Play like a dozen games with him, and preferably at least 6 as town and at least 3 as scum, and "maybe" you will get the hang of it (some people played double that much with him and still can't read him at all)

Nero "thinks" he's easy to read, but it ain't the case for many. It's not what he says but what he says it for that you should be looking at.

[Almost50]

I kinda want neighbor but I'll defer

You can only have the Neighbor if you have someone specific you think you can read with good precision. Who do you think you

can

read well?

Me and cheeky are perfect for that

I'll consider it if Cheeky confirms

[Almost50]

oh then we should get the neighbor roles so that cfj doesn't have to bother making a Private Topic I guess.

Huh?

I believe this was a joke in response to aphtet joking she was popsofctown's roommate.

Oh!! Thanks a bunch

[Almost50]

I am offering up a competing proposal so that we more evenly spread out PRs to prevent mostly easy nightkill choices

propose:

Big snip

Once a proposal has been made, no more proposals may be made until voting on that proposal ends (and attempts to do so will be ignored).

Come on, people. How hard is it to read the mechanics of the game??

[Almost50]

j'mapelle Shadoweh, je suis aller a la bibliothèque pour une petite soir

Je mange de la salade verte

[Almost50]

Proposal 2 - Proposed by Vecna

Gladiator - Almost50
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Nero Cain
Inventor - Iconeum
D3 King - Momo
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Vecna
Odd Night Motion Detector - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor - Popsofctown
Neighbor - Gamma Emerald
Timid - Hidden Happiness
N1 Universal Backup - Aphtet
Vanilla - Oversoul
Compulsive Quitter - Titus

VOTE: For

[Almost50]

Have to vote against the proposal first Almost

momo's proposal has already been downed with 7 voting against.

[Almost50]

are you really fine with vecna giving himself miller?

He's town

[Almost50]

@momo: That doesn't make sense now. Both you and Oversoul drafted proposals that gave Vecna the Miller. He just did what you guys implied you wanted him to get. Not his fault.

[Almost50]

Vecna should not be Miller. Vecna in a Miller proposal "must be lynched" after he mislynched a townie unless he gets the FN.

This declaration adds up to the previous ones for why you must be lynched today, regardless of your alignment.

It has been already mod confirmed that Miller would make FN worthless if given to him, because Miller in this game is Universal, meaning Vecna will be treated as scum ALWAYS. If he can't be confirmed as IC if given Miller then he can't sent a message as a Friendly Neighbor either. (Check 212)

Your "not reading upon replacement" is good enough in Normal games. In Theme Park it's lazy at best, but could very well be an excuse for scum to manipulate the day play.

Let me sum it up for you: You don't know how the roles work, and you don't know how they interact with each other, and you don't know why X has a given read on Y. You really think that's the way to solve the game IF you are town?

[Almost50]

how about we just reject this one, and have you propose one that gives vecna inventor and iconeum miller

Where did I state such a string TR on Iconeum to justify giving him the Miller?

[Almost50]

and then you had to go and say regardless of your alignment

The way Titus phrased some of her posts suggest she might be town here, and in this case RC was just being RC.

In short, I am not as sure Titus flips scum here anymore, but her play isn't gonna get us anywhere closer to win if she is Town.

[Almost50]

idk, ur hard to read

I know.

[Almost50]

Do something other than bitch about me scumfuck.

I am! I am voting FOR lynching you and AGAINST lynching anyone else. I don't need to give you information that is already given publicly in-thread. It is your responsibility to actually read the game you're playing, including the OP. It is your responsibility to ask the mod about anything you don't understand rather than assume and build on your assumption. You don't like doing extra work? Fine. And I don't want you leading us off a cliff yet again (again,

assuming

you're town here.)

[Almost50]

OK...

VOTE: Against

Just to speed up the game.

[Almost50]

Someone make a proposal that adapts to what has been suggested so far (preferably unofficial first, so we can discuss some before we submit)

[Almost50]

1-Shot Gladiator: Nero Cain
Inactive: Apthet
Day 5 Innocent Child: Oversoul
Inventor: Vecna or popsofctown
Day 3 King: Almost50
Macho: Gamma Emerald
Miller: Momo
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor: CheekyTeeky
Neighbor: Saudade
Vanilla: Iconeum
Timid: Titus or Hidden Happiness
N1 Universal Backup: popsofctown or Vecna
Compulsive Quitter: Hidden Happiness or Titus

I'd vote yay for this id officially proposed. I have one minor reservation -that I'm willing to swallow- about Nero getting the Gladiator, because if someone enrages Nero he could very well go out of his way and lock himself up against that someone. You need not piss Nero if you're town and this proposal passes.

[Almost50]

Odd-Night Motion Detector: Luv (But we leash him to where we want him)

Best idea I've seen in all thread! Let's tell scum which of their members not to send to do the kill, or who is best to target with the rolestop, REALLY great idea!

[Almost50]

I put forth the following as proposal

Gladiator - Hidden Happiness
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Gamma Emerald
Inventor - popsofctown
D3 King - momo
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Nero Cain
Odd Night Motion Detector - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor - Oversoul
Neighbor- almost50
Timid - Iconeum
N1 Universal Backup - Vecna
Vanilla - apthet
Compulsive Quitter - Titus


VOTE: For

What's the point of having me in a neighborhood with someone I don't even know that well?

[Almost50]

Who would you want in the neighborhood?

I wanted Nero, but now I'm fairly confident he's town so I don't want to be a neighbor.

[Almost50]

Ah! Got it!

Whimsicott needs to be changed into a chimp though...

[Almost50]

VOTE: For

[Almost50]

Logic says miller and macho are better for scum.

Was this meant to be "scum would prefer to have them" or "better for town to give to scum"?

[Almost50]

Oh jesus. I thought my modifier was unique. Carry on. I'm so embarassed.

Who told you? I don't suppose you "suddenly" decided to look at the OP at this point, so "someone somewhere" must've pointed it out for you.

[Almost50]

wait gross now it's a townslip not a scumclaim

I wanted free d1 scum

No it's not. It's a slip alright, but still scum indicative.

[Almost50]

I feel so stupid I could cry :,(

Don't. I know someone in this game who never reads the OP too. Oh, I'll stop at that so it won't become personal. Just remember that

not reading the game mechanics makes you feel bad and look stupid

in the future.

[Almost50]

I feel so stupid I could cry :,(

Don't. I know someone in this game who never reads the OP too. Oh, I'll stop at that so it won't become personal. Just remember that

not reading the game mechanics makes you feel bad and look stupid

in the future.

Oh wow A50 does nothing but attack people for misreading mechanics. However he treats A different than me. Wonder why that is? Oh wait, I am calling A50 scum and highlighting active lurking.

I dropped your name out

so as not to make it personal

, yet you're insisting that I should be calling you out.

This is the first time I play apthet, so it's not like I see her doing this "I don't read the OP, I don't read upon replacement, I am sick, I am drunk .. etc" all the time. Someone else does all that periodically, and it makes me feel they have no respect for the players in the game (and since I am a player in the game

I am

taking it as a personal insult everytime you say one of those things).

[Almost50]

A50, who is scum? Who is town? Talk about something other than mechanics.

I'll only respond to someone who treats me with respect, not be drunk everytime they talk to me.

[Almost50]

A50, who is scum? Who is town?

I am not sure who scum is. I am suspicious of apthet still, but I can see it being poor town play.
I am most suspicious of the HH hydra (but again; what's new? I can't remember the last time I TR'd Maria playing under ANY of her alts).
I am not liking Titus, but I sometimes get some town pings from her .. err.. hard-headed reads and opinions.

I am most confident in momo, Oversoul, Iconeum, Vecna, you (pops) all being town, and I have a moderate town read on Gamma, Cheeky, LUV & Nero.

This limits my D1 lynch pool to just Titus, Apthet, HH or Saudade.

[Almost50]

No, you're not. It could very well be the case. I don't even know what scum would do here though. Like, if you were scum, what would you be fighting for? Would you be content lynching one of your own? Would you be content NOT lynching one of your own? Would you go for certain roles?

At the start of the game I made a list I keep referring to every now and then:

Scum will give to Town:

Compulsive Quitter:
Timid: Banned from proposals
Night 1 Universal Backup:
Inactive (Passive): For the rest of the game, proposals that give you a Day or Night action are invalid.
Vanilla:

Scum will give to Scum:

Day 3 King: Only D3 proposal is yours
Inventor (Night): 4 Nights of 1-shot
Bodygaued/Friendly Neighbour (Scum Visitor)/Activated Hero (switches Quitter with who proposed it to you)/Announcing Mailman (Messenger)

Scum will give one to each:

Neighbour:
Neighbour:

No Idea

1-shot Gladiator (Day): when no proposal is being voted on, ("Challenge: player"). All proposals that day are invalid unless they give the Compulsive Quitter role either to you, or to the player you challenged.
Day 5 Innocent Child (Passive): If you are Town-aligned
Macho:
Miller: Appear scum regardless of alignment
Odd-Night Motion Detector:

As such, I already have 3 roles that I think scum would give to scum (King, Inventor & 1 Neighbor). If I apply my theory in a vacuum (i.e. not including my reads), Oversoul should be clear based on his draft. If momo is scum then you and Vecna are his likely partners based on his preliminary proposal, but we can switch Vecna with Icon based on his second draft (less significant).

Applying the same to Vecna's proposal he gave Inventor to Icon, gave King to momo and out you in the Neighborhood.

Then YOU proposed (momo+Vecna+pops have proposed so far) and you gave momo King and yourself Inventorm and while Vecna is a UB that could easily be remedied by shooting one of the Neighbors on N1. You were the only one to give Iconeum a useless role (Timid). If you didn't I would have suggested the scum team to be of FOUR members.

But that all goes against what I see from your posting (all 3 of you). If the team is literally pops+Vecna+momo I'd tip my hat to all 3 of you and I'd concede right now.

[Almost50]

You know what? I'm gonna go mechanical.

VOTE: against

I'll put my trust in Nero

[Almost50]

I dunno what I'm doing, actually. iirc pops voted momo's proposal down, both pops & momo went against Vecna, and Vecna's opposed to this one by pops. If anything this looks like pops & Vecna are not scum together, and if that;s the case they all should be town because they've been giving the strongest roles to each other more or less.

@Nero: Why is Vecna scum here? And why is Iconeum? And don't swamp me with gut reads and stuff. I want something logical to go by.

[Almost50]

Macho should probably go to scum imo

Why? Unless we have a Vigilante om D2/D3; Macho on scum is worthless.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Against

Aside from not wanting to lynch Cheeky; giving me Gladiator and Nero the Backup = NKing me and giving Nero a worthless role (one he can't use w.o. the other players' consent). I'd be OK if you gave me King, Motion Detector or Inventor for Nero to inherit that.

[Almost50]

because your such a likely nk with so many people scumreading you

Scum will shade me by day and still shoot me by night. Shading me discourages people from taking m seriously even after my death. But still, keeping me alive for long is a gamble not so many players can afford.

Current scum team (best guess): pops/apthet/LUV

[Almost50]

@HH: Which of you is posting? What happened to you signing your posts?

[Almost50]

I will literally never remember that I actually need to do this because you can't read sorry

- Shadoweh

THANK YOU.

Now explain this:

Official Proposal

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)

VOTE: Against

Uh I am not in favor of basically being a hated townie in this setup. (I don't think Maria would mind actually but she's too busy packing to stop me. )

@Offical Proposal:

Timid: Hidden Happiness

<_____> Correction I throw poo at your family for your role distro

still voting for it

I guess since this is better then the alternatives

What's the difference between momo's Timid & LUV's Timid, per favore?

[Almost50]

But that was NOT why you said you voted against momo's proposal. You clearly said you didn't want to get Timid.

[Almost50]

Sarcasm I sense

Like it I don't

[Almost50]

If "something has changed over the last 800 posts" then I'm curious to know what that is. Explain what happened that changed your mind about Timid being a bad choice for you to Timid is OK as long as we don't lynch Titus. Thank you.

[Almost50]

Maybe Titus was a correct lynch and Cheeky is a mislynch and the displeasure with being Timid is actually a cover for displeasure for losing a third of her faction

Is that where you're going with this?

"maybe" is a keyword in this context. I want Shadoweh to respond in as much details as possible in order for me to evaluate her response and make a decision.

[Almost50]

^^

This + you tried to suggest "something changed over the last 800 posts" but you failed to highlight it still. Are you cornered? Should I back off and ease up? I am requesting something simple: You said something changed and I want you to outline what changed and why with quote reference(s). It couldn't be more simple if you really meant what you said in 1136.

[Almost50]

@HH: If the current proposal was voted down and you were up next, can you provide a draft of what you would propose? Actually I'd request a draft of what you think is optimal, and one of what you think has a greater chance of being accepted. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[Almost50]

^^ Now THAT isn't impossible, is it?

[Almost50]

[Almost50]

@Maria: Are we cool? Can we talk about strictly game-related stuff like I intended to? If yes, can you please respond to 1150 on behalf of the whole hydra? If we're not cool though I'll just shut up. Thanks in advance.

[Almost50]

OK. Thanks. Now, the last question: What role(s) would you personally be totally against getting yourself (aside from CQ obviously)?

[Almost50]

@HH: OK. Thank you very much

Oh, btw.. if you care to ISO me I would say you'll never find me saying I'm scum reading your slot. Someone got momo's promotion of "Titus+HH are scum together" confused for being my view, I think, but that's irrelevant. Thanks a gain for answering my questions.

@Pops: It doesn't matter much what one proposes to give themselves because if the majority are against it then it won't happen. Personally I do understand internal hydra dissonance in most cases, so that's not a big problem for me.

[Almost50]

*again!

[Almost50]

I can't legit see town complaining that there's only certain players I should be hooded with if my hood partner is town.

I can. I (and I suspect many others in the game) know how

good

you are at optimizing hoods in your favor as either alignment, so until we are able to sort you with a relatively high degree of certainty we need to either deny you access to the hood or at least make sure your neighbor is someone who is hard for you to pocket and control if you are scum.

[Almost50]

Hi Pisskop. You need to ISO FL

[Almost50]

Why am I getting inactive? I guess I could bite that bullet but it seems like half the fun is the

zanny

powers

Vote Against and I will give you something juicy

[Almost50]

FL

che?

Flavor Leaf? As in Boonskiies?? NVM. It was a reference to the EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY NORMAL game.. supposed to be a joke, but one of us spoiled it.

[Almost50]

I dunno. All I remember is you seemed to have something on him.. some kind of an internal read, so I was just joking about you not wanting to catch up by telling you to get a read on him, despite the fact he's not even in this game.

[Almost50]

Saudade is being replaced.

Yeah so I don't understand this, it kinda pings me on the Saudade slot

I already checked. He had an upcoming exam. it's NAI.

[Almost50]

giving me Gladiator and Nero the Backup = NKing me and giving Nero a worthless role (one he can't use w.o. the other players' consent). I'd be OK if you gave me King, Motion Detector or Inventor for Nero to inherit that.

awww, you care about what role I get.

but glad isn't useless. I can lynch scum with it and in the event that I'm wrong and tunneling bad town I can lynch them and move on. Win-Win for us.

I do. You're my top TR as we speak. And it's a bad role because using it w.o. town consent will be seen as a scummy move, and since there's literally 0 chance everybody will agree to using it to lynch a specific player it is never going to be used.

Now what if people actually did agree to lynch that someone? They could vote literally any proposal that does result in lynching them anyway, so same thing.

[Almost50]

@Mod how would a Timid King work?

I'm probably going to have a lot of mech questions throughout the game

Interesting question!

ORRRR its pretty shit because we cant give the same slot 2 roles.

Hey Mod

: what if the sky was green, and the clouds were purple? What if walking through the arboretum felt like walking through a jungle, like that one acid trip I had in college? Wouldn't that be nice?

You know you could stop acting like a child and try using that organ inside that skull above your neck.

I/we know we can't give the same person 2 roles TODAY, but what if there is a role tomorrow that has a similar effect? Timid doesn't go with king and IC doesm't go with Miller.. etc. Apparently we get a new/different list of roles each day BUT there are roles that WILL appear again (one example is the Compulsive Quitter). Now what's wrong in asking and knowing in advance what how the mod planned to handle such situations just in case?

[Almost50]

But what if they sky was green and the moon was cheese and the astroid from Deep Impact was really a friendly asteroid who wanted to spread the word of asteroid harmony to us?

If your sky was green you're probably walking on your head. Look down. Does the ground seem so far away and is blue?

Seriously, stop being a troll.

[Almost50]

But what if tomorrow There is no humble or timid modifier because that'd be a contradiction and I dont think Cali is that lame.

Then NO HARM DONE, and I wasn't about the EXACT SAME ROLES, but about the PRINCIPLE. It never hurts to pick up the mod's brain rather than

assume

. (I know it posses me off when my players assume how my roles will interact with each other).

[Almost50]

It depends on the person's personality AND on how they (and their teammates) are generally read. If I was scum I would probably have submitted a proposal early on to test the waters if for nothing else, and then kept the rest of us to propose when we are generally TR'd.

[Almost50]

Let me try..

Official Proposal

1-shot Gladiator = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Vecna
Day 5 Innocent Child = CheekyTeeky
Inventor = Gamma Emerald
Day 3 King = pisskop
Macho = momo
Miller = Oversoul
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Neighbour = Titus
Neighbour = popsofctown
Timid = Iconeum
Night 1 Universal Backup = Nero Cain
Vanilla = Almost50
Compulsive Quitter = apthet

[Almost50]

I VOTE: For obviously

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Got your answer yet? Are you for or against the fore-mentioned proposal?

[Almost50]

Why aren't we lynching the slot that contributed the least so far? pisskop already managed 4x as many posts as apthet had all game.

[Almost50]

RC posted double as much as apthet in his time. Saudade 3.5x as much.

[Almost50]

Wdym "got my answer"?

You're talking about me, and I already TR you, so no need to engage you.

[Almost50]

Weirdly we don't disagree with this as a list. But the fact that it came from a50 alone makes us doubt it. VOTE: Against

@MOD: This is unacceptable. I'm tired of this slot bringing up outside-of-game influence. They're not playing to win, They're playing to bug someone and that someone is me.

[Almost50]

@Gamma: The thing is my mind is preoccupied with me trying to decided what the best course of action is. It's NOT just about TRing/SRing a slot, but whether or not I think they can use a given role effectively. For example, I couldn't have made momo King because he's tunneling Titus and I now think she's Town. (That's just one example off the top of my head).

[Almost50]

a50 what the flip thats unambiguoussly within the bounds of the game

Um.. can you rephrase that in simple English?

[Almost50]

So.. let's say we have a guilty on someone. I can choose to not vote him because X player started the wagon or is also voting them?
What exactly does "we don't disagree with this BUT we\re voting against because A50 said it first"? mean to you?
To me it's either:

1- This is the way we see it, but we're deliberately playing against what we believe
OR
2- We know we are bad players and we do not trust our own reads so we'll go against the guy we are scum reading.

The problem with proposition 2 is it creates a paradox of trusting their read on me with the presumption that their reads are generally bad to begin with.

[Almost50]

Neither HH nor LUV provided a valid explanation to why they are voting against. AT least LUV didn't try to hide the fact he provided no reasoning behind his vote.

[Almost50]

I wonder if future neighbors will share a hood with today's?

As a

rookie mod

I would expect them not to. In fact, I would expect a Neighborizer role coming up soon, but no the role of Neighbor on the list.

[Almost50]

@Maria: Let me rephrase my point from 1397 then. From your PoV you maybe right on me, but then you assume all/most your other reads are wrong. Why? OR, you assume most of your reads are wrong (based on me proposing this list) so why do you assume your read on me is correct? Was I scum in Anime U-Pick? Was I scum in Limbo? Was I scum in Children of Hurin?

In fact, here's a quote from that one that sums it all up:

Subject: Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - Game Over

At least cut the BS and state the truth: You just LOVE to vote me I bet if we were Masons together in any given game that you would still vote me at some point AFTER the RVS stage! Am I right or am I right?

I MEAN YOU'RE NOT WRONG...

So, it's not like I'm imagining things. You're opposed to me just for the fun of it, and when I say fun I mean from your PoV. I don't find it amusing to be SR'd regardless everytime we play together no matter what. Like you'd SR me because I'm not being serious, yet you'll vote me for being too serious. You'd vote me for not talking enough, but then you'll vote me for talking too much. You'd vote me for talking game mechanics, or for the LACK of talking game mechanics. HOW am I supposed to get you to read me correctly when you come into the game assuming I rolled scum every single time?

P.S. When I'm scum for reals I try to use that fact to my advantage. Here's a quote from C++ (the last time I rolled scum against you iirc):

Subject: Open 742: C9++ Mafia topic

Hopefully, no one is too dangerous on this player list. MariaR auto SRs me anyway as any alignment, Percy will probably be skeptical, Gamma is the one who knows me most but I think I can manage.

We ended up RBing you and shooting Percy on N1 (Gamma was the SK and he's the one who killed you).

So, let's get serious here. I made a proposal that meets with your liking. If it was X or Y that made that proposal you would have voted for it AND called them town. But not when it's A50, because he must've rolled scum and that's the only thing you know!!

PLAY THE GAME. Discuss the proposal. See what might be wrong with it and state what you like.

[Almost50]

Maria was scum in CoH wut

Hence the "she auto SRs me as ANY alignment". TvT, SvT or TvS. I don't think we ever rolled scum together or scum on different teams ever. She may correct me if my memory's failing me.

[Almost50]

But please correct me if I'm wrong on this. I've scumread you correctly a most of the time when we've been TvS with me as the T.

That's misleading. When you SR me ALL THE TIME then you will always "correctly SR me when I'm scum and you're Town". It's not because you CAN read me. It's because you will always SR me regardless, so when I'm scum you'd be correct (that's 30% of the time in average).

[Almost50]

I don't know if you'd take it this far as scum though

Tbh, I might. But then the tone will probably give me away. Anyone who is good at tone reading can tell this is not an act as I'm genuinely pissed here.

But OK. Nero voted against, so I'm less confident this is the way to go. If it turns out to be the right call in the end I can always tease him about it for the next few games.

[Almost50]

No. You ask a lot and give little in return. I happen to know it's how you play so no -ve points given, but I don't care to respond on why I TR Nero so hard.

[Almost50]

Besides, it won't change a thing for you. You and I both know that. You will try to lynch him regardless, and if given a Vig shot you're still going to shoot him.

[Almost50]

Mate, it is not easy to quote certain stiff from Nero to call him town. That's not how it works. It's how he posts, and the general way he approaches the game that enables me to read him. In this game he clearly does not have a scum agenda. He's not being cautious or fictitious or even overly survivalistic. There's nothing that scum!Nero gains from playing the way he is playing this game.

[Almost50]

Im surprised not more people are suggesting an A50 lynch here. The scumreads there seem to be getting quite universal if im not mistaken.

I think my lynch pool for today in order of preference, currently is:

A50
CT
Icon/Titus
Nero
Gamma

Would definitely not want to lynch anyone else at this moment.

At least you're living up to your choice of an avi. Salute.

[Almost50]

@Mod: Replace me with AP (my alt) id you will.

This game can't be taken seriously at this point.