Role Call I (Game Over)

[AP]

A-ha! The monkey's out. Now I can use my mojo to solve the game and put the bad guys behind bars (but only the bad guys. I've got other thoughts for bad girls).

[AP]

The monkey's out

Oops! Did I just say that?

[AP]

Let me start with the

one eyed

guy that

pisses

me off.



I dunno why they call him number 2. Everybody knows

number 2 is shit

!

[AP]

seems like a special kind of alignment indicative replacement

Oh, I', special alright. Care to dance with me, baby?

[AP]

A50 I don't like some of your play this game but I do like you as a player and person

let's dance

HYPE!

Spoiler:

[AP]

@

A50

AP, what do you think about the current proposal?

It's "number 2" for me, which is why I decided to switch accounts. Let me tell you why:

1- I already said I

do not

want to give Nero the Gladiator. Didn't I?
2- Giving me Inactive is bull"#2". I wanted Vanilla because I can still be given abilities when I'm proven town.
3- IC should be given to someone hard to sort. I don't think we need 5 days to sort Vecna. Do you?
4- I'll take Inventor on pops with a grain of salt. Not fully against that one. Dame with PK as King.
5- I have reservations against giving momo Miller. Switch him with Oversoul already
6- LUV as the Backup is meh. We don't know who scum are going to kill, so can't decide whether it's a good or a bad idea.
7- I am against lynching CT all the way, and I don't even care what her alignment is. She can't eat rope first every game. That's ridiculous.

[AP]

OR.. you could just say that "weirdly I don't disagree with this as a list, but the fact that it came from HH alone makes me doubt it." How's that for a good reason to vote against it?

[AP]

Why don't you want Nero as Gladiator? If you think he might YOLO Gladiate I think he's demonstrated rather recently he isn't really likely to do that with how he's been engaging people.
Who would you give Inactive to?
Maybe Vexna isnt a common mislynch but he isn't easy to read either. There could be better slots for it though. In fact let me ask this: should we or should we not give the D5 IC to a player who is considered good enough at the game as town to the point that living to Day 5 should be suspected?
Okay.
Why do you want Miller on Oversoulslot?
I don't get why this is a problem.
Is Cheeky a frequent D1 lynch? Also I don't like you saying you won't lynch Cheeky as either alignment as I don't recall her having any qualities that make her a keeper for you.

I don't care what Nero says when he's calm and rational. Try to piss him off and see if he is still rational.
CT wanted Inactive, so she can have it.
Vecna is 50% scum, dude. It's either him or momo at this point. You don't let a 50% scum cruise to D5.
Oversoul is TOWN and I don't need a Cop check on him to clear him. I'd also give that to you or Nero, but I know you both can do with other roles. I don't know Oversaul's (or his replacement's) ability to handle other roles. That may change when I know who is taking over the slot.
It's a problem because WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ROLE HE WOULD INHERIT! Duh! He's no good at Neighbors. I don't think he makes good calls with Inventor. Geez. I'd give him King already, but not Backup.
And I don't care whether you like/dislike me not wanting to lynch CT. My posts aren't meant to appease anyone. I want to have CT playing until D3 at the very least. GIVE HER INACTIVE if you so much distrust her, but let her play the game. Like, the whole damn roster wants to lynch her and not a goddamn soul is defending her. Doesn't that at least make you suspicious? At least there was some resistance to her lynch in this game, and she herself tried to get out of it. That's not how she's playing here.

[AP]

>I gave Nero plenty of reason to crank up the ire but he remained perfectly level-headed with me. I think he's chill.
>Maybe.
>Why is Vecna/momo scum? Also you didn't answer my theory question.
>I guess I wouldn't mind Miller as I feel like I'm on a hot streak as town.
>So who should we give back-up to since you're making a big stink about "being able to use the role you inherit"?
>Problem is CT has been barely staying active so I think it's possible her buddies have just accepted her lynch.

I have no idea how to answer your theory question. I am looking at roles and players individually, not as a "give this role to someone who meets x, y & z conditions". I said I want to give the IC to someone who is generally hard to sort, so not necessarily a good town player. In fact, seeing as IC "might" stay alive to D5 you have to consider giving it to someone "bad at scum" more than "good as town". Good town will be killed early regardless of their role IMHO. I don't want IC to be the reason why someone good as scum is given a break for 4 days.

I also suggested Nero for the Backup. If scum shoot the Gladiator then ok, but that's letting the Inventor live (for one) so that's a good trade. Or wait and see who replaces Oversoul. Or -maybe- pops. Lots of better choices there.

[AP]

Also, I am sad you didn't give me much to stay in-character. Posting nothing cheeky/nasty/suggestive makes me blue.

[AP]

[AP]

LUV the NK?? Are you comprehending what you're reading?? I said if that's the case THEN that's a compromise I could live with. Killing the Gladiator is sub-optimal for scum.

As for who is bad at scum, you probably could have went back to my -refused- proposal to know whom I think is bad at scum. It's the same reason why I don't want her lynched, because EVEN IF she is scum she's no big threat to town and she

will be

found out soon enough.

Note: In the game I linked I spent most of the day defending Cheeky, but I ended up voting her because she made a fatal mistake (from my PoV) voting Chara (who was obv!town) out of the left field. Scum!Cheeky either scum!claims or gets guiltied before the end of D3. Give her Inactive, give her Gladiator, give her Vanilla or give her Timid. Just don't lynch her today.

[AP]

CHEEKY .. is what I'm all about.

[AP]

How is killing Gladiator sub-optimal when Backup exists? And I guess I'm not comprehending.

Inventor hands out stuff. Generally speaking you would use it different than how I would, and Nero -say- will have different ideas from us both. You interrupt the thought process by eliminating that person. Like, let's say I was Inventor and I gave you FN. The next day the Backup knows I gave out FN but not who got it. If scum got that (i.e. if you were scum) they can play around it in more than one way (I'm not getting into that now). Or let's say I handed out the Hero thing. Again, nobody knows who got it but me and the person that received it, and if that was scum then they can make use of it after I'm dead when least expected (MyLi/LyLo).

Obviously, you having to ask both raises my suspicions about you (why are you doing this to me? It now feels like you're lost and wanted me to give you advise), AND makes me want to say you're as bad a scum as CT is (it's easy enough to think how scum would utilize certain role combinations).

[AP]

Accidentally hit submit too early
Continuing my post, Cheeky is playing in a way that limits ability to scumslip and idk if we'll get a straight cop in this game.

Again, you don't lynch "weak scum" on D1. Even if she is scum you won't get any information from her flip. Lynch ME and you''ll probably get more info. Higher scum equity in those who support the CT lynch over those who are opposed to it tbh, because scum want the lynch on someone lynchable and don't want to take the blame for it. The stronger players can be shot.

So, I dare everyone: LYNCH ME. Let's see who has the guts to either look stupid or blow their cover. Here I am.. come and get meeee

[AP]

a50 didn't you also town read Cheeky in w/e game we played last?

Yes, and I referenced it and stated why I think it's different here. (of course, I had to contact A50 to get their answer here)

[AP]

@Mod: Replace me with AP (my alt) id you will.

This game can't be taken seriously at this point.

Any specific reason you feel this way? Is it because you aren't being townread that you wanna change character (which should be forbidden anyway if you ask me) and now wanna hide behind a different mask?

How is it a mask when you already know who I am?

You know, there's only two things I hate about you in general: The way you play as town, and the way you are playing here.

If you don't know how to play scum you should try to learn to mimic your town play, my friend.

[AP]

a50 didn't you also town read Cheeky in w/e game we played last?

He did except this time he's scum and I'm town.

I love it when you try to blow.. my cover

[AP]

A50 has a point about my low info lynch if I were scum. I'm town though so you'd get more info from the people riding the lurker wagon and those opposed to it for no good reason.

Are my reasons good enough for you, baby?

[AP]

AP maybe?

Oh, yes. I'm so deep wolfing you need a submarine to catch me.

Spoiler:

[AP]

not that ppl would sheep me anyways even if I did explain why he's scum but yeah....

Serious talk: Vecna has a roughly 30% chance of flipping red according to my calculations so far. This is slightly higher than rand (27.27%) so it doesn't really overweigh the risk of lynching town!him.

Iconeum is now 80% scum in my book. THAT is where I want the lynch today.

[AP]

Could someone give me some homework or something to do. I still want to lynch within Cheeky/HH/Titus.

As much as I would LOVE to lynch within this list, chances are they're all town (not Nero/Gamma town levels, but still). I would urge you to take a closer look at Iconeum and pay more attention to the motivation behind his posting so far.

[AP]

There are 3 inactive slots (momo just got prodded, Titus earlier & Oversoul being replaced). That's what's taking us long I guess.

VOTE: against

[AP]

Iconeum is now 80% scum in my book. THAT is where I want the lynch today.

How do you figure?

It's a rounded figure.. just the way I like it.

[AP]

AP I'm really struggling to town read you this game.

I know it's hard to picture me as a

good boy

!

[AP]

Tome for the next proposal, I guess. Would it be from PK or Icon?

[AP]

I'm interested in seeing a proposal from

oversoul

.

Reading the game you're playing is a virtue. Oversoul has requested replacement.

[AP]

A50 - 1shot gladiator I scumread A50 and would be interested in seeing his choice/use.
Momo - inactive because his reads are tragic.
D5IC - Iconeum
Inventor - Titus not only is she a strong mechanical player but each day we should receive more info around the giving of inventions. Obviously a day behind is the best way to release this info.
D3 King - Nero because I'm pretty sure he's town and he can have good instincts but he's not so obv town to everyone that him dying would not hinder poe too much. Also his scumreads are likely to kill him.
Macho - Gamma or me I don't see why anyone would give us roles worth protecting.
Apthet - Miller because strong town.
HH - odd night motion detector similar reasons to Nero and titus.

Neighbour - Pops/Vecna because I feel this is strongly TvS.

Timid - Pops or LUV.
UB - Oversoul a townread that will likely die due to this role.
Vanilla - Gamma or I.
Compulsive quitter - Pops or LUV.

But you said your reads were:
{Apthet, Momo, HH, Nero, Titus}
{Iconeum, Oversoul, Pisskop}
{Gamma, Vecna}
{A50, Pops, LUV}

Explain to the class how Vecna vs Pops became TvS in your mind.

[AP]

Oh I have pops too many times - make him neighbour...who am I missing?

OK. So pops is a neighbor, and we lynch LUV and give him Timid??

[AP]

i'm no longer voting for any proposals unless they have me as a Timid Neighbor Quitter

You forgot Miller. (You know me. I'm always

h

corny)

[AP]

I have actually been combining the two and watching John Oliver and Colbert to exclusively inform my reads in this game. It has not been successful.

To be better informed you need to get a

MOLE

to infiltrate Dr Evil's organization.



VOTE: AGAINST

My

current

best guess for a scum team is Iconeum+CheekyTeeky+pisskop (Don't ask. I won't tell)

[AP]

Bad tat wanna wetweet tweety

[AP]

Have read precisely 0% of this game, am replacing in due to the request of someone who is

not at all existent in real life

(to my knowledge) that I replace in.

What should I know that I won't read?

Also, Welcome @Jingle

You both should vote AGAINST this current proposal. That's all I know. (Well, not really. You both should know that Nero & Gamma are town here. I suspect you both are two but you know better courtesy of your own role PMs.)

[AP]

I swear if I had unlimited Vig shots I'd shoot everyone but Nero, Gamma & Jingle. Oh, and maybe spare apthet & Creature too (but not Titus. I would have shot Titus had she stayed in the game).

Scum are going to win this fair & square.

@Creature: Vote AGAINST. At least give me hope. I'm @L-1 with you, Jingle, apthet & pisskop not voting, and that's even assuming the mod will count Nero Cain's (Gollum) vote against.

[AP]

Geez! If it ain't pisskoo it's LUV. Too many bad players out there to tell scum from brain farts.

[AP]

hunh? shaggy spy thinks I'm a bad player?

Do you want to lynch me? If so then you're either bad or scum. If you vote against though I'll reconsider. It's a matter of not wasting a lynch on someone scum are certainly going to have to kill because they're good with game mechanics.

[AP]

And if you think I switched accounts in order to be TR'd then you are being bad already. AP is much MUCH scummier than A50 when it comes to play style. I just sensed the game is going to be a farce and I didn't want that on my record. I don't even keep a record for AP, so I don't really care if town is being bad at this point. If I was still playing with A50 I'd probably be cursing and going berserk on you, and I really didn't want to do that.

Let me give more examples of players being bad: A certain slot that always SRs me and isn't about to even consider being rational about it

is being bad

. Another person I have been trying to keep in the game has flipped against me, making it less likely for me to defend them not just here but in any given upcoming game

is being bad

. momo voting for my lynch and pretending it's just to get the day over with

is being bad

, and so on.

[AP]

I suppose best practice is to play until we have some solid reads before proposing?

Did this ever happen?

No, but I have been able to get some reads via proposals themselves.

[AP]

Can someone explain me the current proposal?

Mate, just read the game mechanics and role descriptions. The proposal suggests lynching me and giving you no night/day actions for the rest of the game. These are the two most important things to you. I could go on but without having reads of your own it's pointless. Like, giving Miller to momo is BS, but maybe you'll TR him so hard of you read the game you'll not see it my way, and so on

[AP]

I don't count games I replaced out nor do I could games I replaced into. This started with this game where I replaced in on the final day, posted once and hammered the last scum within that same single post. ISO me and you'll find me making a 2nd post post-game stating I won't count it because I didn't feel I had the right to.

As for why I keep a personal record, it's mainly for my own amusement. Your digits (fingers) are not all alike. Maybe you don't but I do care about keeping a record and a wiki page.

[AP]

^@pops^

[AP]

I mean why are the current players in their current position?

This is what I'm trying to explain. People think Nero is hard to read, so they're giving him the role that auto-confirms him on D5 (after the damage has been done, so they can keep on discrediting him for 4 days and then shoot him on N4). momo made an entrance that looked townie (in hindsight it was mainly to provoke RC, and it did), so people don't trust your slot (Titus really didn't help) and thus want to prevent you from having any abilities for the rest of the game.
People insist apthet is the towniest town that had ever towned it up AND they seem to trust him making the right calls with the inventor. If he is town he's probably going to be killed N1 and his role passed to the UNB (that would be pisskop) and them PK will never know who apthet game his N1 invention to.

Note: You can't leash targeting roles because scum have a factional Rolestop. They can prevent the action from reaching it's destination if they so will.

Iconeum is scum and many are too blind to see it, so he gave himself Vanilla to get by for tonight, and yet he can be given active abilities from subsequent days proposals and can submit his own proposals too. He decided HH can't make proposals in the future and you can't have abilities, but he can do/have both.

I have no idea why pops & Vecna are neighbors. Neither of them is particularly good at neighbors in general nor have they said they can read each other with higher precision.

I dunno what else to say ir explain. Ask me something precise if you still need answers.

[AP]

Vanilla: Iconeum Iconeum proposed and knew better than to ask for anything better than vanilla because a few people scumread him.

Iconeum is scum. He proposed to get out of the lynch because almost everybody was lining up to compromise on him. He is being coached in the scum PT so he's not "the most gifted player of the team to play scum". You can take that statement to the bank.

[AP]

@pops: All I really care to say is you're being stupid

as either alignment

. Like, it goes without saying that if you are town you're being stupid, but ALSO as scum it is not optimal play to lynch me here than shoot me at night. Nero is OBV!TOWN. Oversoul was obv!town. Gamma is town, and even Titus' reaction felt more on the town side. Not too sure about apthet & PK yet, but there are 2-3 scums already voting FOR here, so that really limits the lynch pool in subsequent days. You're creating a strong town block that -even with some pathetic town players- will still prove too hard for you to beat.

[AP]

Ico is delaying CT redflip so CT can perform the kill without worrying about motion detection.

Hold it right there! So you think Icon is scum, and you're voting FOR his proposal?? Do you think Iconeum will ever bus ME if we were scum together? Seriously??

[AP]

Like, WHO are my scum mates? Here's the current vote count:

For (7): Iconeum, CheekyTeeky, popsofctown, Hidden Happiness, momo, Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert,
Against (2): Gamma Emerald, Almost50,
Not voting (5): apthet, pisskop, Titus, Oversoul, Nero Cain,

I obviously can't be scum with Icon (he's the one who switched my name with CT for the lynch). It can't be Cheeky (she needs me to survive, so wouldn't bus me). You know I'm not scum with you regardless of your alignment. If you suspect I could be pulling some elaborate scum theatre with HH just go back and look at how Shadoweh blew up in my face. momo started strong but then went inactive for some time and came back to support my lynch, so no. The same applies to LUV (he didn't even have a problem switching me with CT for the lynch). That leaves Vecna of all the FOR voters, but you're already hard TRing him.

The not voting slots you are TRong apthet (whom I tried to lynch), pisskop and Oversaul/Jingle. Right? That leaves Nero and Creature, and I'd say it was obvious I'm not scum with RC/Titus. So literally my scum team must be Nero & Gamma. Do I ever hard TR both my scum buddies here? The fact that I put these two in my top 3 TRs is telling enough.

So, literally.. LITERALLY.. you cannot come up with a 3-players scum team that includes me.

[AP]

If I made a proposal with pops as the lynch would anyone vote For

I would. I'm not lynching you, Nero or Jingle, and that's it. I prefer not lynching Creature either, but I need him to talk more to see if that's true.

Oh, and speaking of "trust tells".. it used to be that RC only replaces out as TOWN. I don't know if that's still the case though.

[AP]

AP why were you defending me from lynch when I wasn't active?

It was a mistake that I'm never ever going to repeat. Never again consider someone's feelings being always the early lynch. I do sincerely apologize for keeping you alive and elongating the day.

[AP]

I replaced in for scum!RC in Hope Plus One like 3 months ago

OK. So he changed that meta.

[AP]

AP why were you defending me from lynch when I wasn't active?

It was a mistake that I'm never ever going to repeat. Never again consider someone's feelings being always the early lynch. I do sincerely apologize for keeping you alive and elongating the day.

Why? Why would you have wanted a quick day vs a high info day?

Are you stupid? I din't. But you're making me regret it.

[AP]

AP why were you defending me from lynch when I wasn't active?

It was a mistake that I'm never ever going to repeat. Never again consider someone's feelings being always the early lynch. I do sincerely apologize for keeping you alive and elongating the day.

Why? Why would you have wanted a quick day vs a high info day?

Are you stupid? I din't. But you're making me regret it.

No I'm suspicious. I cant work out if you're pocketing me or doing the omgus thing like in that disaster game we threw. Its rational to consider both possibilities.

No it's not. If I was scum and you were town I had no reason to fight against your lynch when almost everyone else was ok with it. You weren't even playing so it would have been an easy mislynch and then we can shoot whomever we want at night with minimal info.

And why would I try to pocket you over -say- RC?? You and I both know you're not exactly a town leader, and you were not even present enough to affect anything when I was defending you!

[AP]

I'd like to see Nero propose.

I didn't know you had the hots for him!

[AP]

Since not much is going on, I've decided to do a reread after resetting all my reads and starting from scratch. It's going to be BORING, but I have nothing better to do at the moment.

Oh, and the reason I'm doing this in public is I want people to try and refute what I may have assumed wrong. For example: From the interaction on page 1 I think I can safely assume momo & Jingle are not scum together. Any objections?

[AP]

Ohm and I'm working backwards. Rather than looking for associatives I am actually assuming they exist by default and trying to find reasons why it ain't so. The objective is to reduce the possibilities of 3-players scum teams to a minimum before going into which of them is more probable. If no objections are made to the above momo-Jingle statement I will dash out all trios that include both names simultaneously. (Actually that's just an example. In this case I have already ruled them out as partners).

[AP]

Really? Pops and Saudade scum.

Silly me, but it's

unlikely

the exact team is Cheeky+pops+pisskop. Not totally ruled out, but far less likely.

And -just to speed it up a little- on page 2 Nero & RC posted, so I remembered the Nero-Vecna and RC-momo fights. I don't think Nero & Vecna van be scum together nor do I think momo-Creature can be scum together either.

P-edit: 1- I am crazy! You already know that. 2- I have some free time to waste. 3- I already listed all possible teams in a spread sheet, and now am working on eliminating some.

[AP]

Nothing on pages 3-5

[AP]

By the end if page 10 I have nothing concrete to add. (I may have relating to how I read individuals, but not in the form of X cannot be scum with Y)

[AP]

Aw momo, I wanted to ask her questions about that

Call me naive, but I don't think this is how scum defends scum. Oversoul probably not scum with RC/Titus/Creature slot? DISCUSS.

[AP]

I think it's time we have an official proposal. I think this one is as good as any and I'll be voting for it. Even if it doesn't pass, we need the discussion.

Official Proposal

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Titus

Now this is the first "gold mine". (Note: Reasoning may/may not apply to subsequent proposals. This one was made under certain circumstances with certain players and certain prevailing reads).

Now we already established momo's not scum with Titus. It comes as no surprise that he'd propose to lynch there.
The question is,, does scum!momo do "this"? (yes, I will start by assuming he is scum to be able to dismiss some trios).

P.S. "this" being 2 related variables, such as "give Timid to scum!HH AND Vanilla to scum!Iconeum"?

[AP]

So.. I say momo+HH+Icomeum isn't a thing based on the proposal momo submitted. Does anyone object?

Timid+Inventor is possible (maybe unfavorable for some, but considering the state the game was in I'd say Gladiator+Timid+Inventor would have been acceptable for the scum team to get).

In short, if HH is scum with momo then their third is NOT Iconeum, Suadade or LUV. Scum wouldn't propose to get Gladiator+Timid+Vanilla/Inactive/Macho. Does anyone see different?

Also Gladiator + TWO of Vanilla/Inactive/Macho is not likely. Agreed?

[AP]

I don't agree with CheekyTeeky being backup. I think Almost should get that role. I also still want the neighbor role, but if Nero is going to have the other one I will pass.

Cheeky not scum with Oversoul?

[AP]

#Unrelated.

@pops: You once suggested this:

Miller: apthet We don't have posts from this player. Miller should go to a high legibility player. It's the opposite of day 5 IC.

I'd want to see this on Oversoul or Almost50 or momo

.

Can you please sum up what made up change your mind about me being worthy of landing Miller to me being worthy of a lynch? I'd appreciate specifics. Thank you.

[AP]

VOTE: for

Icon voting for momo's proposal makes him not scum with Titus for sure. Anyone disagree? Do you think Icon would try to bus the slot so early? (P.S. VC is now 2-0 in favor)

[AP]

It's also IMPOSSIBLE (not just inlikely) that Icon would accept being Vanilla with Timid/Inactive as the other scum and the third being lynched.

[AP]

Correction: 2-1. HH had voted against earlier

[AP]

Damn! 3-1. >I< had voted for also.

[AP]

VOTE: for yeah i dont mind being powerless

Saudade making it 4-1. Apply same principles = Saudade+Titus+HH/Icon are 2 confirmed impossibilities, and Saudade is unlikely scum with SSS/Titus/Creature

[AP]

VOTE: Vote: Against willing to let the perfect be the enemy of the good here

pops making it 4-2 makes something like pops+Cheeky+Vecna/Oversoul/apthet/Gamma virtually impossible. Other unlikely combinations include pops+Oversoul+Vecna/Gamma/apthet & pops+Gamma+apthet

[AP]

Am I talking to myself here or is anyone going to comment/discuss. Because I can do this on mt own and save you the trouble and just sum up the conclusions, and then someone like X or Y will ask me to explain a read and I will just let them talk to the hand.

[AP]

I played One Night Ultimate Werewolf with my roommate and some friends last night and tried to explain that the rulebook says the troublemaker "may" exchange two other player's alignments, so I refused to use the ability since it's anti-town, but I was actually town troublemaker. My roommate said that was very logical but what about something from my heart. I said the odds I was not a werewolf were currently 25% with current gamestate information. I was told once again that that was not from the heart. Then I was mislynched and lost.

This post is like a pancil without lead, it has no point.

Again, weak sauce but this is not how Gamma talks to a scum partner (OK. Maybe I am biased bc I already have Gamma in my town bin, bit still.. )

[AP]

VOTE: FOR

Guess this allocation isnt that bad after going over it.

5-2. get to work on what's unlikely.

[AP]

VOTE: against

I don't really like the idea of vecna as king someone come up with a better plan

5-3, and I will even be biased against my own TR on Nero. He

can

be stubborn enough to turn down a perfect proposition for his team just because he doesn't like his role and/or even someone else's. This has nothing to do with me hard TRing Nero still. I am just trying to be objective.

[AP]

I will treat Oversoul's 515 the same as I treated Nero's vote, meaning I will not use it to clear any combinations that include Oversoul/Jingle. (Am I being too harf on my TRs?)

[AP]

vote: against

My B. I did not see that

5-4, and -again- not knowing Oversoul I will not try to eliminate any combinations here.

[AP]

Titus/Hidden Happiness/CheekyTeeky scum team?

I am breaking my "process of elimination" to point out something I've noticed while catching up. momo has been SRing HH all game. He even suggested id RC flipped scum they were next. Yet, not once has actually pushed them for real. It seems as if he has been counting on flipping Titus/Cheeky to clear HH in the future, and here it is so convenient to suggest the scum team to be the 2 "most likely to be lynched slots at the time" + his own scum p for the 1-in-3 rule to apply.

Take this with a grain of salt and put it on the back shelf for now, but I suspect the scum team to be HH+pops+momo from this reread.

@Jingle: If you have the time, would you care to ISO the 3 of them simultaneously and "see if you see what I see"?

[AP]

What if we lynched HH and had someone sort Titus in the hood?

LUV is not scum with HH for going out of his way to suggest the lynch on HH and not on Titus/Cheeky. (Note that I said he's not scum with them, not that he's town. I have already put what I said in my previous post on the back shelf myself)

[AP]

I feel like Day5 IC is almost wasted on... almost.

Yeah. Swap GE and Almost and I'd vote to pass that

Sure....
However, that would mean that if we lynch Titus/HH/CT and the game isn't over yet, our next lynch is likely A50 instead of Gamma.

Making likely lynch order Titus/HH/CT/a50/GE

By making a50 IC likely lynch order is
Titus/HH/CT/a50/GE

Obviously this is subject to change and heavily dependent to Titus flipping scum.

Is that the path we want to take.

Because rn, reading the game, I'm pretty sure of those five people, 3 are scum.

If only 2 out of those 5 are scum, D6 becomes MyLo.

Thoughts?

If momo is scum, chances of having the other 2 in this proposed pool are slimmer than the chances he got all 3 scums in there and he is town.

Nut that is not "just it".

The proposal draft he is discussing is:

not like its a new thought momo, but yeah it does look like 3/4 in RC/Hh/CT/GE

Knowing that Vecna, if we reject the current proposal, would you consider proposing this one:

Gladiator - Gamma Emerald

Inactive - Saudude

D5 IC - Almost50

Inventor - Iconeum

D3 King - popsofctown

Macho - CheekyTeeky

Miller - Vecna
Odd Night Motion Detector - apthet
Neighbor - Lil Uzi Vert

Neighbor- momo

Timid - Hidden Happiness

N1 Universal Backup - Nero Cain
Vanilla - Oversoul

Compulsive Quitter - Titus

Weaker roles go to the suspected scum. Greater chance of passing cause more ppl are likely to be happy with it.

Applying my theory here gives: momo manipulates LUV in the hood (LUV already said he's not good with hoods iirc)

Edit: Yup. 244

So, LUV gets pocketed, Saudade can't get actions, apthet is neutralized through the Rolestop on the scum performing the kill. And they only need to shoot Icon & Nero (not necessarily in that order) to be in total control of the game (or at least that's how it looks for today's list of roles).

There's more that I could say here regarding the mechanics and optimal use of roles, but I feel some of it might be anti-town as it could give scum new ideas.

[AP]

If cfj PMed me that I'm spontaneously dead in Role Call I, showed me A50's red role pm, then told me he'd let me fire a Publishing Cop shot from the grave N2 as an apology for killing me, I'm not even sure it'd be correct to fire it at Austin Powers because of the opportunity cost of firing it at an illegible slot.

Did you write this yourself or did you hire a typing monkey? (Sorry, A50. You know I still live you.)

Can you rephrase the quoted in simple English so that it could fit on my head?

P-edit: Yes. Upon a reread I would definitely say momo has a higher than average probability of flipping red. In fact, almost DOUBLE the average.

[AP]

I mean, just look at 609 FGS. He's lining up FIVE lynches ahead. FIVE. All scum need id 4 mislynches to win this. So, yeah, without amy other association he sure looks like scum trying to manipulate the game in his favor.

[AP]

What did my hydra partner even do that was so scummy? :thonk:
At the moment I think the inventor should go to ice
Sau gets the Glad

Almost gets the king or IC

Momo gets miller
Gamma gets inactive
Cheeky gets timid

Other things that I missed on my first read. How do I go from King or IC to best lynch? Why? What exactly happened in between that changed their mind so drastically?

[AP]

Anyway, where was I? Oh, yeah.. momo scum with 2 of Titus/HH/CT/a50/GE is not an option. So, let me go strike out the combinations of those.

[AP]

You are a bad investigate target because a sane-cop shot is scarcely more accurate than reading 5 game days of AP dayplay.
Whereas a sane-cop shot on nero, CT, Iconeum, GE, etc, is considerably higher accuracy than 5 game days of their dayplay.

So you're claiming you can read me through play in time, but you still want to lynch me on D1. Am I understanding this correctly?

[AP]

VOTE: Against

Fuck that noisr.

I sure can't make heads or tails from Titus' confusion about what Compulsive Quitter is. Disregard. it's now 5-5

[AP]

HH is scum, as long as RC is scum.

If RC is town so is HH. (But doubt).

Yet another incident of HH is a scum read but let's lynch town so that I can reverse my read on the slot.

[AP]

WTF? I asked a simple question that could be simply answered with a Yes/No, and you're giving me yet another riddle to solve.

OK, I'll break something to you: You can't read me for shit because you don't even know the first thing about me. Earlier this game you suggested I was an Aussie, and I didn't comment bc it really didn't matter, but the fact is almost everyone who does know me (which only happens when they play with me) would tell you that

I am not an English speaker

. English isn't my first language (and the last time I checked Australia was an English speaking nation).

Now, based on the revelation of this very intimate detail, can you please talk to me in

simple English

? Thank you very much.

[AP]

Proposal 2 - Proposed by Vecna

Gladiator - Almost50
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Nero Cain
Inventor - Iconeum
D3 King - Momo
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Vecna
Odd Night Motion Detector - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor - Popsofctown
Neighbor - Gamma Emerald
Timid - Hidden Happiness
N1 Universal Backup - Aphtet
Vanilla - Oversoul
Compulsive Quitter - Titus

Now that everybody has had a chanve to think about what roles could do and how they interact with each other; I think we can rule out other combinations nased on this proposal and people's reactions to it.

For starters, I'm ruling out any combination with Titus-Vecna in it. If scum (which I doubt anyway) then Vecna has the capacity to understand bussing is suboptimal here anyway.

So I went back to delete said combinations, and.. there were none left. I had already reached that comclusion when Vecna put momo's proposal @5-2.

OK, what else? If Vecna is scum it's not with HH+Jingle/Cheeky/pisskop. Also not pops+Gamma/pisskop or Jingle+Cheeky/pisskop or Cheeky/pisskop

[AP]

VOTE: For

As this makes it 3-0 in favor it nullifies a Titus-LUV team in my book. Pops+Gamma+LUV also becomes invalid (was already unlikely) and HH+LUV+pisskop is already dashed out from before.

[AP]

By the end of page 32 Vecna's proposal has already been rejected. After having gone 3-0 in favor. This suggests

Vecna is probably not scum

because the proposal didn't even last for that long (and considering scum have day chat I would have expected a proposition from one to at least have some back and forth on it before it is rejected).

But OK, I will overlook that indicator and say Vecna can't be scum with Nero, Popsofctown, Momo or CheekyTeeky (the 4 people who actually took it from 3-2 to 3-6, despite Nero, pops & momo all having relatively cool roles on the list)

[AP]

Gee! I forgot to mention that HH didn't respond to momo the way they responded to me despite him being the one shading them all game. But I guess I did mention it earlier. It just slipped my mind when I was typing 1987.

P-edit: I already did that a while ago. ISO me. You'll find I deduced I can only be scum with you and Nero, but then I wouldn't be that obvious.

[AP]

The whole of page 33 suggests Nero can't be scum with HH. First, Nero -in particular- doesn't talk that way to a scum p. Second, I'll -again- point out scum have day chat, so it's unfeasible that scum would suggest something in the main thread that they didn't already discuss in private.

[AP]

I put forth the following as proposal

Gladiator - Hidden Happiness
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Gamma Emerald
Inventor - popsofctown
D3 King - momo
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Nero Cain
Odd Night Motion Detector - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor - Oversoul
Neighbor- almost50
Timid - Iconeum
N1 Universal Backup - Vecna
Vanilla - apthet
Compulsive Quitter - Titus


VOTE: For

Now let's discuss THIS proposal in light of my "theory" of a momo-pops-HH scum team. Let's consider this:

pops gives momo "Hero" on N1. D2 they try to lynch "not-HH" and if successful momo can scum claim on D3 by forcing the lynch on another townie. On D4 we lynch momo only to find he wasn't lynched and someone else got lynched instead. Scum have a perfect win in 4 days and 4 nights.

[AP]

As a matter of fact, this even works with momo+pops+anyone else even better. IMAGINE HH being town here after all! *Unthinkable*

[AP]

I put forth the following as proposal

Gladiator - Hidden Happiness
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Gamma Emerald
Inventor - popsofctown
D3 King - momo
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Nero Cain
Odd Night Motion Detector - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor - Oversoul
Neighbor- almost50
Timid - Iconeum
N1 Universal Backup - Vecna
Vanilla - apthet
Compulsive Quitter - Titus


VOTE: For

Why does Ico have Timid?

Honestly wondering this too...

This here, when he had already naked voted for the proposal!

VOTE: for

Spoiler:

Oh, let the old monkey voices in my head SHUT UP! They're making me scum read people!

[AP]

Odd-Night Motion Detector: Luv (But we leash him to where we want him)

Best idea I've seen in all thread! Let's tell scum which of their members not to send to do the kill, or who is best to target with the rolestop, REALLY great idea!

Hmmmm

Wow does A50 really think the md works as a tracker?

By his logic we should lynch him for nor reading

I didn't care to respond at the time so as not to add more fuel to the fire, but here goes:

MD declares they're targeting a townie with no night action. Scum target that townie with their Rolestop, thus the MD gets no result. We go into the "Now why would scum do that? The target must be scum!" WIFOM circle.

OR the MD declares targeting a SCUM with no "declared" night action. Scum don't even Rolestop their buddy. They let them sit still and use another one of them for the kill. The target returns a soft clear on them because the MD detected no movement on them.

[AP]

Btw, at that point of the game the vote was 5-2 om favor, and -again- I am inclined to rule out the FOR voters as scum partners with Titus.

Those would be popsofctown, Nero Cain, almost50, momo & Oversoul, so let me go see which if them still appears to be in a team with her.

[AP]

My top 2 scumreads right now are pops and Hidden.

I know a lit has happened in between, but would you care to point out what exactly made you propose my lynch instead of either of the two?

[AP]

a50 might actually be scum, more on this when I get home

I tried to pocket A50 to help me lynch a townie, but now he's on to my p. I had better switch my read on him already so as to discredit him and possibly lynch him. After all, the tide seems to be changing against him anyway, so no one will suspect me for it.

[AP]

VOTE: for pops proposal

pisskop not scums with Creature either.

[AP]

I feel like we are spending an inordinate amount of time discussing role distribution and kind of

just accepting Titus's death which is making me paranoid

. I think the most important roles to actually distribute is the miller for obvious reasons and potentially Day 3 King, but to a lesser extent. I think we need to refocus because there seems to be some consternation about Titus and Not-Titus.

Having already established they couldn't be scum together I find this to be a bloody townie post from Oversoul. I will only paint Jingle green this time (as opposed to dashing out all teams he could be in).

[AP]

My role is not vanilla, is powerless right now, but has the potential of synergizing with combinations of roles later in the game. As I said before, I think one of those roles could be motion detector.

I crumbed it earlier but stating it more explicitly means this current proposal might be best right now for strategizing around the nightkill + WIFOM around my claim.

Upon a reread I can't help but call this a townslip. Does anybody object?

[AP]

VOTE: For

SneakyCheeky still trying to lynch Titus means they're not scum together, and 5 more trios get eliminated.

[AP]

Apthet Cheeky and A50 are all scum. You and momo are competing townbeards.

I'd

really

love to see Titus' face when the game is over!

[AP]

Btw since you've been rereading how many total people have voted for a proposal that had Titus as CQ?

I'm not going to re-reread, but the Creature can only bge scum with any of Hidden, apthet, Iconeum & you, so I guess these are the four that didn't vote for her lynch as of 1020

[AP]

wait gross now it's a townslip not a scumclaim

I wanted free d1 scum

No it's not. It's a slip alright, but still scum indicative.

OK, so my current reads must be affecting my judgement despite me trying my best to keep them side. I do think it's a townslip now!

[AP]

I am most confident in momo, Oversoul, Iconeum, Vecna, you (pops) all being town, and I have a moderate town read on Gamma, Cheeky, LUV & Nero.

Oh, well. I guess I am no better than anyone else for having my reads totally reversed on some slots. Maybe some of the scum reads on me are justified? *Shrug*

[AP]

Oh, WAIT! That was the MONKEY! Scratch all that. I am not responsible for

HIS

monkey thoughts. After all, you can't convince a monkey to trade his banana with a $100 bill. He'd still think the banana's more valuable!

[AP]

I am anxiously waiting for the first person to yell amished tell!

[AP]

Because of this,

a50 is NOT in my D1 lynchpool

.

More than halfway in he still says I am not in his lynchpool. He maintains a scum read on me yet is arguing against it still. I wonder WHY he is supportive of my lynch NOW!

Spoiler: Full post quoted

Alright, guys I'm very sorry that I haven't been on that much lately. Last week, because of fourth of July, i took the entire week of, so my activity was unusual. Back at work and my schedule is kinda annoying but here goes.

I'm going to VOTE: for again.

It's possible that a50 is scum. It's also very possible that Titus is scum. It's also possible that they are scum together.
(My thoughts on this: RC was scummy. Like this is basically objective fact at this time. a50's reaction to RC first posts, the ones that were incredibly sus and eventually resulted in our fight and people scumreading him, was that for the first time, he was townreading RC. The first time RC mentioned a50 was asking him why he wasn't doing anything useful. a50 responds that he has already said that my slot (momo) is the towniest in the game, and he's not going back on that. RC doesn't push him further. This seemed very much like an interaction in between two scumbuddies.

Then, when he was sufficiently townread, a50 went inactive. (To be fair, one could argue that I'm doing the same thing, but ik my motivations are different). When pressure comes on him again, he's right back. It was very un a50-like to basically sit out my and RC's argument. He didn't want to alienate town on his side, but he didn't want to push against his scum buddy either.

Ofc, then a50 could have also been town.

@popsofctown's

about 2 obvscum and 1 deepwolf struck a cord with me. In any situation in which a50 is scum, this statement would most likely be true. But then a50 agreed. That response (1047 to 1046) doesn't seem like something scum would make.

Because of this,

a50 is NOT in my D1 lynchpool

.

Now, moving on to the Titus lynch (and why I have voted for again). I hate to make this argument, because it could very well be interpreted as scummy (but could be towny as well), the Titus lynch gives us the most information.

If Titus is scum, this is obvious. We get a scum lynch, and information.

If Titus is town, we also get a lot of information. Let's be fair, the majority of the substantive interactions D1 have surrounded the slot. Lynching town would be a loss, but it would also give us a lot. It would help differentiate in between town and scum. We could view people on wagons, their tones when interacting with the slot, the level of commitment made.

I don't want to lynch town. I don't think Titus is town. But even if she is, her lynch helps town win the game.

The proposal being voted on right now is a solid available path. Lynching Titus is almost certainly the best path forward. This is why, I must revote for, and why I think the rest of town should too.

[AP]

What? This is going over my head.

I never figured you for a shorty!

[AP]

Because I'm not sure about this arrangement but I don't want things to drag on too long and it hits key points for me. As such I'm amenable to hammering this at this point.
VOTE: For

And now Gamma makes it 7-4! And now there are literally only 2 teams that can include Creature:

HH+apthet & Icon+apthet. If I take apthet's townslip to be 100% then Creature would also be 100% clear.

[AP]

I'll be your shorty
So what's your final verdict AP have you solved the game yet?

I'm working on it, baby, but I can use a helping hand.

[AP]

Give me your top 5 and I'll ISO.

You can have my top alright!

OK, let's start with apthet. Can you return a verdict on that one? Or did you mean top 5 SCUM reads?

[AP]

Well yeah.

It's likely mono icon apthet and a50.

Not 100% sure but like 65%.

Geez! If only she didn't include icon AND apthet!!!!

[AP]

By the end of page 44 the proposal has been rejected. If I rely on my results so far Titus can only be scum with 3 people (again apthet+HH/Iconeum). She's very VERY likely town here.

Now my question is: If I was scum, why would I have switched from voting for to voting against when she was @L-1, and there were already calls for the day to end, AND the tide was already switching against me! Hell, even assuming pops is correct in his 1087 that I'm scum WITH Titus, why would I vote againstb her lynch at this point rather than let the lynch go and earn me some town cred for siding with momo against RC from the beginning AND Titus stating a SR on me?

Btw, I am not trying to argue against my lynch here. I am more trying to understand how the majority of you play the game and develop their reads in general.

[AP]

Top 5 scum

momo, HH, pops & pisskop. I dunno who's 5th. Icon, maybe. Yes.. that's about it.

[AP]

Probably not going to do a lot of ISO-ing this weekend. Sorry buddy, but I'm being lazy rn.

*Sigh* How encouraging!

[AP]

LIV's proposition = not scum with Cheeky

[AP]

pops also not with Cheeky. Oversoul too.

P-edit: Nero is still town. And no. LUV can't be scum with HH.

[AP]

Titus-Cheeky has already been ruled out, and now HH-Cheeky is out too. Thisn makes it 5-1 in favor, btw.

Also forgot to mention LUV can't be with any given two of HH/Icon/pisskop, being the none that submitted the proposal

[AP]

Amd here is what I have against pisskop (well, Saudade.. whatever): @given time, pops says Saudade is proddable 1168. 93 minutes later HH changed their vote from for to against (the proposal had Saudade as Inactive). 34 minutes later the mod posts a VC, then a minute later says Saudade has been prodded, but only 26 minutes later declares Saudade is being replaced, indicating Saudade had either PM'd the mod or posted "elsewhere" requesting replacement.

It's not unfeasible that Saudade had requested to be replaced in the scum PT and HH reacted to that by switching the vote in hopes the new replacement would be more active and land a more important role. After all, Timid+Inactive on the scum team is suicidal of a sort. The mod came in, did his work in the main thread and sent out the prod before checking on the scum PT to see the replacement request (or went to his inbox and saw the PM from Saudade, but then that wouldn't justify HH knowing he'll get replaced soon, so that's why I can't say it's a damning evidence on them being scum together).

Oh, btw.. while checking on Saudade's posts I came across this:

These are my reads so far, not saying all scum is definitely in there or that they're definitely correct. Besides, I don't think I'd be completely surprised if it came down to be

LJ/Sau team

with some genuine insults.

Very impressive that you made this observation on day one, Datisi! Luckily the one person in this game who knew that

Saudade usually hardbusses his partners as scum

(B&W) wasn't around after our flip to inform all of you about that.

It means nothing at this time, but it could prove beneficial down the road to know the bolded.

[AP]

Also pops switched her vote from for to against soon after.

My current leading 3 scum teams are: pops+momo+pisskop, HH+pops+pisskop & HH+pops+momo (does not include pisskop).

However, my top single SR is momo, followed by HH and pops only comes 3rd.

[AP]

Oh boy it seems I missed more then I thought if one of you pissed off my partner. (Don't worry I already got somewhat briefed.) I'm gonna
VOTE: against
I still feel like Cheeky is playing way too idgaf/careless to be scum. I remember her being a lot more timid (lol) as scum. Why do people want to vote her? Because she's lurking? Also the fact Luv is the one who gave this feels blah to me
~Maria

There's a line between "dgaf" and "not doing jack all". Honestly your argument against lynching Cheeky makes her look scummier.
UNVOTE: for now but I might vote For this one

Now consider this: Gamma is scum with Saudade and is voting AGAINST the proposal that gives Saudade Inactive. Saudade is being replaced, and -hopefully- pisskop will be more active, and Gamma unvotes and considers voting FOR giving his new buddy the Inactive role. Does this even make any sense to you? No? That's why I am ruling out the Gamma-pisskop duo.

[AP]

VLA for the weekend

VOTE: for

And that makes it 4-5, but Icon is unlikely scum with Titus, and since the team of Icon+apthet+Titus was unlikely anyway I am ruling it out, thus Titus one and only remaining valid scum team is with HH & apthet (and even that has apthet as very likely town).

[AP]

Saudade is being replaced.

Yeah so I don't understand this, it kinda pings me on the Saudade slot

I already checked. He had an upcoming exam. it's NAI.

Btw, this is till true, but he did post about 90 minutes after he got replaced here, so I dunno. (Internet is already too slow for me to go dig more posts from him, so you can either take my word for it or check on it yourselves)

[AP]

VOTE: against

Vote this down quickly for this game's damn pace
We are not D1 lynching apthet that's beyond dumb.

You know what? pops may still be town after all.

[AP]

With my proposal downed I can only rule out Gamma-apthet & Cheeky-apthet as scum duos.

On another note:

To anyone who has played with Titus before, can you comment on how Titus just vanished after people started doubting her for a lynch and is now coasting on radio silence? Is that even remotely feasible to come from town?

THIS, ladies & gentlemen, nullifies the last scum team that could have included Titus. Creature is 99% town here (100% unless I made a mistake that no one else noticed either)

[AP]

1-shot Gladiator: Nero Cain
Inactive: Almost50
Day 5 Innocent Child: Vecna
Inventor: popsofctown
Day 3 King: pisskop
Macho: Oversoul('s slot?)
Miller: momo
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Hidden Happiness
Neighbour: Titus
Neighbour: Gamma Emerald
Timid: Iconeum
Night 1 Universal Backup: Lil Uzi Vert
Vanilla: apthet
Compulsive Quitter: CheekyTeeky

HH wouldn't give their buddies Timid & Vanilla, would they? Check out who they picked for Inventor, King & Miller though. *Shrug*

[AP]

And that sums it up, ladies & gentlemen. Here we are with this current proposal. The one thing I would suggest to do now is to go back and delete the teams that have your strongest TRs, but I guess we're never going to agree on the same people.

OK, let me try this: Does anybody scum read Jingle (or even have a reasonable doubt the slot is town)?

[AP]

Time for me to go get some sleep. I think I've posted enough for the whole player list that the mod will not prod anyone for the next 48 hours.

[AP]

what stuck with me is the comment that someone made that AP50 really uses his charisma as scum to survive. After reading that, i view all these posts in that light, and it might make me a bit biased.

WARNING: This is not a FoS. This is me friendly drawing your attention to a faulty logic in your play.

Someone (unspecified) said something (that you personally can verify as either way) so you choose to take it for a fact and build on it. How is that scum "hunting"? because it sounds more like scum "painting".

[AP]

Saving the slot to pocket

this is you saying Cheeky is town! So it's wrong for "unknown alignment" to save TOWN, because that likely comes from SCUM??

[AP]

my meta analysis would be that he has never been this intense

the next time someone pretends to be able to meta me when they can't I'm seriously going to snap. I HAVE NO META! There are only less than a handful players who do have meta tells on me, and then when I do learn about them I try to close the gap.

If YOU have never seen me this intense it's more likely because you weren't in games I where only have In been intense, but I used profanity and even subbed out of them... AS TOWN!

It really pisses me off that people will try to validate their arguments without giving any real evidence by using either hearsay or general claims that they can do this or have seen that before .. etc.

Ask someone IN THE KNOW. I don't think Maria will lie about the fact that I do snap as Town and she has witnessed that herself more than once. I am not going to tell you to ask anyone else because I think when it comes from Maria specifically it has much more credibility given the game status.

[AP]

I'll respond to posts addressing me as I catch up

[AP]

So what is your opinion on the HH/ creature connection? Im asking about this point in time you were analyzing, and how it is now.

Keep on reading and you'll find that Creature is the one slot cleared after my reread.

[AP]

The only problem with not lynching A50 today is that if he -is- scum hes gonna powerhouse himself into endgame and evade the lynch with a few proper nks

How am I going to powerhouse myself into endgame when you're proposing to give me Timid?

Earlier on this page Creature requested to be given Timid, and although I understand his reason for this and agree to it I couldn't/can't call for it myself because everything I suggest is suspicious to someone or another.

[AP]

Ugh, I think we don't have much proposals left

7 isn't much?

[AP]

7 is beyond plenty

We agree on something. Tomorrow is the end of the world.

[AP]

Austin you can join on the avatar bet it is open to anyone

The bet is void. Keep your current Scholarship Student Isis avi.

[AP]

I have no meta on Austin Powers I've never played with him before.

We can remedy that situation. You want to play with me?

[AP]

I have no meta on Austin Powers I've never played with him before.

From my experience, if AP starts making jokes with me about flipping me as Queen Latifah, he's probably the mod.

Spoiler:

[AP]

I'm bad at proposals

You need a crash course under the guidance of ME!

[AP]

I'm bad at proposals

You need a crash course under the guidance of ME!

I'd rather just do the normal scumhunting

I can teach you that too. The best way to hunt for scum is though proposing to spend some time with the suspect female. You can never imagine the secrets they tell you once you get into their

thongs

thoughts.

[AP]

Like, I give you town and scum and you decide what to do with them.

You just spoiled my mood to impersonate the cunning linguistic Austin Powers us. Carry on. Who's scum? And who's Town beyond reasonable doubt?

[AP]

Like, I give you town and scum and you decide what to do with them.

As long as it's tiered that's workable.


BTW:

Rough headspace:

Town:
AP
Pops
Creat

Townish
Gamma
Cheeky
HH (I vaguely remember thinking something was a townslip when ISOing someone else)

Null:
Vecna

Scummish:
Ico

I feel like the majority of the recent activity is town for sure though.

Sell me pops town and I'll shoot Jay Z myself and introduce you Beyonce in the funeral.

[AP]

Don't let Creature stop you from being a cunning linguist, AP. Nor a master debater.

It's

hard

to to keep the act

long

enough when someone makes such a

dec

laration

[AP]

@mods: If you don't mind, please replace this slot with Bingle, an alt I just made to keep my games and modding separate.

Just helping out

@Mod: Replace me with AP (my alt) id you will.

This game can't be taken seriously at this point.

Confirm in-thread with the alt account, and I'll replace the name in the playerlist, votecounts, etc.

Also, if you feel like it you can hammer the AGAINST current proposal and submit yours already. It saves us some time (and adds another 72 hours to the deadline).

As for pops.. I probably need to re-ISO her separately to see if I can make a case. I've been working from the other end since I switched to AP (i.e. looking for clears) which funnily enough is what suits this setup more (from my own PoV). It's like playing Doctor and looking for the people you would like to protect.

[AP]

this game no longer counts towards my

W-L record

.

Wrestling League? Wario Land? Westlife? Wavelength?? Aaaah!

WikiLeaks

. Got it!

[AP]

Guys we need to lynch the arc slot (Creature). The slot is so obv scum and everyone is just moving around the lynch.

That's not gonna happen, Dr Evil. You're going to have to throw him to the ill-tempered sea bass your cycloptic colleague brought instead of sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads!

Note: This is where you respond with "

Rrriiight!!

"

[AP]

So... What about A50 is scummy again?

1402 in particular seems pretty damn town and I'm not sure where any of the scumreads are coming from yet, except a weakass gut read from Vecna like forever ago.

A50 is one of those ironic players who I actually have the urge to SR harder the townier they post tho. Not being funny here.

Some players are low effort enough and jokey enough that actual effort and wall posts are scummy in my eyes.

And now I've heard it all, from being scum read for efforting to being scum read for the lack of oomph to being scum read for talking game mechanics to being scum read for being intense. At least I'm still allowed to

shag

breathe without repercussion ...*pause* am I not?

[AP]

He already posted what he would propose though, you don't have to wonder. He's one of the new inventive people not proposing we lynch you or AP, is that why?

Random shade ignored.

ugh i hate that youve decided to be so defensively agonistic here. stop

I wouldn't have guessed she was agnostic!! In fact I was hoping she was into the practice of the Kama Sutra!

[AP]

If you ever see too many words in a single post from me, look hard at what Im doing.

I'd rather feel than look hard though.

[AP]

VOTE: for

[AP]

VOTE: against

mistakes are made

[AP]

And in what world is letting pisskop have the UB a good decision?

YOUR PROPOSAL had PK assigned the UB role!!!

[AP]

And in what world is letting pisskop have the UB a good decision?

Spoiler: Iconeum's proposal
1-shot Gladiator: CheekyTeeky
Inactive: Creature
Day 5 Innocent Child: Nero Cain
Inventor: apthet
Day 3 King: Bingle
Macho: Lil Uzi Vert
Miller: momo
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Gamma Emerald
Neighbour: popsofctown
Neighbour: Vecna
Timid: Hidden Happiness
Night 1 Universal Backup: pisskop
Vanilla: Iconeum
Compulsive Quitter: AP

Wat?

Can you tell me why you changed the lynch choice you shopped out from Cheeky to AP when you were SR'ing both of them and the person you trusted enough to shop out the list to was SR-ing one of them?

Can you wax poetic about your reads as you whisper sweet nothings into my ear holes?

Can you convince me not to want you dead?

GOOD! Someone else noticed. I'd say not knowing what you yourself had just proposed is a scum claim. Icon was looking for a random reason to attack the new proposal and he totally forgot he had the same role assigned to the same player he is now attacking. At the very least it proves he didn't pay attention to the role assignments on his own proposal which means he was only interested in certain roles going to/kept from certain people.

[AP]

FWIW, actual AP meta:

ime AP tends to refuge in audacity as scum. Reading him is very much like reading FL, in that you look at what he wants to achieve and not how he goes about achieving it. Grain of salt, the vast majority of our interactions are modding, so it's untested, but that's my 50 cents.

I concede there are similarities to my play with that of FL's. I'm not going into details, but the statement above is vaguely true.

[AP]

Im still sitting here, not sure if I made a big mistake or not.

Listen. If you're town you have nothing to worry about. I will reassert that I'm the NK on N1/N2, unless scum want to lose this game. You're being skeptical about it. Fine. Just wait and see.

[AP]

It doesnt feel like A50 wants to convince me of anything.

This is kind of true, and I already told you why. You just shrugged it off. Let me try again:

remember when you approached me about the Nero TR? Remember

WHY

I said I won't explain it to you? It's because you are one of those player that are so hard headed and cannot be easily convinced of something against what you already have decided to be true. It's better to let you reach the conclusions yourself than to consume (and drain) my energy trying to convince you of something you're against.

So, yes. I am not trying to convince of anything right now. Certain reveals will in duo time.

[AP]

More that he wants to show everyone how bad my reasoning is.

No. that post was directed at YOU, but -unfortunately- it's against the rules for me to try to PM it to you instead.

[AP]

Shouldnt he be trying to convince people.momo is scum? Direct the lynch to momo or HH, Which were the centrepieces of most of his recent posts?

Mate, they're being given Inactive & Timid. That's good enough, isn't it?

[AP]

See? THIS is one of the main differences between my play and yours. I do NOT claim my reads are gospel. They're not. They're my reads and I am well aware they can be wrong and will probably change with a couple of flips.

[AP]

Instead he attacks me because I dare.use meta in a post.

Wrong again. That post was made BEFORE the Iconeum proposal was finally shot down. It was 4-6 at the time, which does look like going down, but -as you saw- you don't take anything for granted in this game until it officially is. I was @L-1 at one point, so why would I/you assume against @-1 = against hammered?

But that is just me being equally as silly as you are being right now. The fact is I do hate people claiming they have meta knowledge of my play when they really don't. At least one other player in this game has been yelled at before for that specific reason (and I'm NOT talking about Maria. I'm talking about someone else).

If you do insist on using meta arguments, then at least make it an accurate one. Like "he did exactly this in this game which wasn't so long ago".

[AP]

Can someone, or better yet, a few people, give reasons for why this is a good lynch? Put my mind at ease. let me know why youre behind this lynch (without pointing to something someone else has said).

ISO him. It's mot such a big ISO either. Only apthet has posted less from the original players list

[AP]

PK can't be town. He's a thief. A hooligan. A marauder!

A cool guy would let me sheep his proposal and let me take the credit . . .

Mate, you've just hard scum claimed!! Nobody calls Jingle a cool guy and gets away with it!

[AP]

Fox

Falco

Marth Sheik

Rock me Amadeus

[AP]

I feel like I have a better grasp on Boons

You spelled it with an N!!

[AP]

Fox Falco Marth Sheik

I purposely chose

falco

, gannon, link, and luigi

Not again!

OK. here goes...

Rock me all the time to the top
Er war ein Punker
Und er lebte in der großen Stadt
Es war in Wien, war Vienna
Wo er alles tat
Er hatte Schulden denn er trank
Doch ihn liebten alle Frauen
Und jede rief
Come and rock me Amadeus
Er war Superstar
Er war populär
Er war so exaltiert
Because er hatte Flair
Er war ein Virtuose
Er war ein Rockidol
Und alles rief
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Ey
Es war um siebzehn hundert achtzig
Und es war in Wien
No plastic money anymore
Die Banken gegen ihn
Woher die Schulden kamen
War wohl jedermann bekannt
Er war ein Mann der Frauen
Frauen liebten seinen Punk
Er war Superstar
Er war populär
Er war so exaltiert
Genau das war sein Flair
Er war ein Virtuose
War ein Rockidol
Und alles ruft
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus

[AP]

First and foremost; BP should go to Bingle (D3 King). Anything else is negotiable.

I would like for Gamma to claim target and result. apthet should probably claim target and ability given too (the benefits overweigh the downside of it).

Anyone has any idea about why Vecna was the NK, aside from him being a global TR and a trying hard to solve the game? In other words; do we think there are mechanical benefits to the kill?

[AP]

Bulletproof should go to a scum read. Give Bingle tree stump if we all end up town reading him.

^^I'd like to lynch this today already^^

Treestump tomorrow's King????? Remove your towniest slot from the mechanical part of the game??? And give BP to scum??? So not a single townie is safe from the kill??

[AP]

I should get the night 2 bulletproof, yes?

No. You're a D5 IC. Bingle is D3 King. That has the highest priority to survive in my book.

[AP]

One of my theories is that PK is scum and so is pops

No. Just no. One scum between the two could be the case, but both cannot. Why would scum place themselves in a neighborhood with eachother when they already have a PT to talk in. Unless there's a PT Cop coming up and they were informed it will be on the market that doesn't make much sense.

[AP]

LUVs opening today was terrible.

Now THAT is something I fully agree on.

[AP]

Anyone who suggests BP on the IC is bad at mechanical play. IC is going to be shot on N3, N4 or even N5 (after being confirmed). Giving them N2 BP is a waste of the utility. You give BP to the one we need to be alive TOMORROW.

But hold on:

@mod: How does Treestump work on someone with an ability already? Will the MD still be able to get results? Will the King still be able to propose on D3?
Also how does the Chronomage

target

do with an active ability? If the Chronomage targeted D3 King and they were shot tonight, will they still be able to submit the proposal on D3??

These are questions we need to consider before assigning roles. IF (and ONLY IF) Bingle can still submit a proposal while he's Treestumped then I will agree to him getting Treestump. Somehow I don't think that's how Treestump works though. All Treestumps I've seen before lost ALL their abilities and voting rights. They could just posy and nothing else.

[AP]

Treestump is effectively another lynch.

But the alignment is still hidden, so..?

[AP]

I can’t believe that yall went and lynched iconeum.

this is EXACTLY what Scum!momo says here. I don't have the slightest doubt that you are scum in this game, pal. Not a single shred.

[AP]

Also, how tf did I go from widely townread to inactive. And why is the saudude slot now widely townread.

Someone made a strong entrance and decided to bank on it. They then decided to fall back into the shadow and not to read the game!

[AP]

Creature and pisskop guys. Pisskop came in and completely changed the game. And clearly his changes weren’t good for us. Same goes with both the RC replacements. No talk of lynching them anymore.

How about we lynch you, and IF you flip green I promise to follow your reads to the t.

[AP]

I'll even do you one better. How about er Treestump you and let you choose the lynchee, and IF they flip red I still promise to follow your reads to the t?

[AP]

. Also, how tf did I go from widely townread to inactive.

This just in - youre scum

THANK YOU!

[AP]

1st

Momo can only recieve:
- bulletproof
- doublevoter
- D3 Restricted
- Revisor
- treestump
- quitter

Nope.
Nope.
Maybe.. with a grain of salt.
Not a chance
OK
Cool

[AP]

-we arent giving jingle captain in addition to his D3 kingmaker role.
-why are we giving AP a role that delays invests?
-gamma post restriction?
-weak cop role to you? hahahaha
-why is pops a stump?
-how do you sr luv?

Agreed
No idea, but I'll take it if no one else would
Don't mind that
No idea yet
also no idea yet
Check his string op posts at the start of D2. They're screaming "I'm either scum or just don't care at all".

[AP]

Maybe we should make cheeks use her gladiator today?

On whom? I'd vote momo & LUV over CT for sure.

[AP]

I don’t think giving it to the IC will do any good. A majority of us are familiar with Nero here and know how easily he can go off the handle and be a distraction or lead town off a cliff. He’s not getting killed anytime soon when you not only take that consideration but the fact that he hasn’t made any waves either.

[AP]

Town Cheeky would’ve used their gladiator imo.

Exactly!

And especially so when WE GAVE AGREED THAT USING THE GLADIATOR IS A SCUM CLAIM

! *Sigh*

Gosh! I should create a gimmick account for AP!!!!!!!!!! AP's too serious for this game still!

[AP]

Maybe we should make cheeks use her gladiator today?

Other then making sure they get lynched this time idk why we'd do this, but considering that's the result I'd want anyways..

So without thinking about it too hard is there any reason not to do something like this?

Night 2 Bulletproof:
Captain:
Chronomage:
Doublevoter:
Neighbour #3:

Gamma Emerald

Day 3 Post Restricted:
Psychologist:

pisskop

Revisor:
Night 3 Compulsive Role Caller:
Even-Night Tracker:

popsofctown

Treestump:
Compulsive Quitter:

We could put all three of the investigative roles into the Neighbour PT for secret results sharing, which I guess isn't as useless when they're outted but there's still value to being able to hide results until someone accidentally contradicts them. Another useful possibility is putting one as the Night 3 Compulsive Role Caller so three people can discuss the next day's roles in advance

and get half the proposal arguing overwith.

- Shadoweh

I will repeat: The scum team is momo+HH+pops

HH is proposing to either have pops privy to both other investigative roles results and targets (as well as denying town an investivative), OR have pops privy to the PK's target, deny the town an investigative and LEARNING THE D3 roles list in advance.

[AP]

LUV is pinging me scum btw.

Actually he is the most anti-town townie in the game.

[AP]

So I can get who I want lynched.

What happened is that I didn’t realize the BP was just Night 2 only.

you know what? I'ma stop criticizing bad play. I will just chill and be useless on most games unless we have a competing player list to play with. People playing games that they don't read is so fucking disturbing and taking these games with any degree of seriousness is me being a jerk.

Carry on, please.

[AP]

The BP is just giving somebody a pass to D3.

Jingle

That's what I bloody said and you responded with a "No?"

[AP]

Got No Motion on pops

Thank you <3

[AP]

I don't think think apthet should claim btw. She probably gifted friendly neighbor and we don't want scum to know what slot is going to develop into a shootable IC slot.

That's a valid argument. On the other hand if it had been handed to scum we won't know who got it.

[AP]

Actually not sure I can trust AP here

You shouldn't. That's why you should evaluate everything I say and see if it fits your reads.

[AP]

aye

so cheecky checks a relative tr. we bp that tr. they report.

Scum.. have.. a factional.. role.. stop

[AP]

why can't we bp cheecks check again?

Look at the mafia factional abilities again

Did somebody ask why we're trusting Gamma?? THIS is why! He is actually reading the bloody game and trying to solve it.

[AP]

If Gamma flips scum in this game you have my permission to come piss at my grave when I die!

[AP]

If creature flips town then I can bump HH up a lot of spaces.
If he flips scum there's lots of people who redirected the focus of d1 to look at.

You want to flip Creature (town) so you can bump up your scum buddy? That's a GOOD idea. I'm for it.

[AP]

BP - apthet
Captain - momo
Neighbor - Gamma
Day 3 Post restricted - Bingle
Psychologist - pops
Tracker - Vecna
Revisor -
Chronomage -
Doublevoter -
Treestump -
Lynch -
Thoughts from role list.

I like the idea of giving Vecna the Tracker. I'd vote for this proposal.

[AP]

Oh, pk's a neighbor now, he should swap with Vecna.

No no. I

insist

Vecna gets it.

[AP]

Day 1 Role Call

• Inactive
  (
  Passive
  ): For the rest of the game, proposals that give you a
  Day
  or
  Night
  action are
  in-bloody-valid
  .

For a proposal to be valid today; momo has to be one of: BP/DoubleVoter/Neighbor/Post Ristricted/Treestump/Quitter

[AP]

I think LUV is a decent gladiate target rn

cheeky might literally be comftown tomorrow, why would you want her to 1v1 now?

pops momo can't be either

LOL
Edit: uhm guys i think you don't understand how the inactive thing works "For the rest of the game, proposals that give you a Day or Night action are invalid."

Yeah, I'm delusional.. and have been all game.

[AP]

jingle gets hood.

I get PR, btw, because I intend to immediately break the restriction twice and invalidate my D3 role distribution monopoly.

Wait then no one would have a proposal

I'm pretty sure the game just freezes forever.

@mod:If I as Day 3 King lose my proposal do we continue the day proposing as normal with everyone else having one proposal, or does the day just end, or does something else happen? I assume that given the specific punishments, breaking the post restriction intentionally is not considered breaking the rules.

Bingle?? I never figured you for one who doesn't read!

Day 3 King (Passive): On Day 3, no other player will be able to propose; as the last remaining player with a proposal,

your proposal will therefore be accepted automatically

, without voting.