Starry Night [Game Over]

[Golden Robster]

so who wants to dance with me baby

[Golden Robster]

dance with me dunnbaby

[Golden Robster]

hi anka

going to read through this and compile some thoughts and post later

[Golden Robster]

I read nothing but skimmed through at pg52 rn.

Observation/Thoughts/Reads

OkaPoka – (642) TR dun, weak TR gamma, says Anka feels forced
Unwnd – asks pops for dance, thinks ladies have more scum than gents, sr ank, oka giving weird vibes, posts reads at 932
Dunnstral – TR bitmap, TR gamma (feels genuine to them), SR Oversoul,
Firebringer – agrees with unwnd that anka isn’t townie, TR dun. Weak SR on deas. SR pops.
SXTLHGaiden – haven't read this person
DeasVail - haven't read this person
Lupin/Creature – LUPIN: hyper-aggressive posting; examining bitmap (most likely probing for reactions?) 51. Thinks anka, oversoul, kagami is town but not sure why & sr cephrir; I like that lupin is actively posting his reads even though most are gut; don’t think mafia would be willing to be hyper-aggressive rather than passively ride out first couple of pages (rvs equivalent). CREATURE: no townpings from Anka yet; feels DeasNail & bitmap are town
Ankamius – thinks unwnd first post is awkward rather than red pm; confused about too many tr on her. Says lupin is strong TR. Feels gamma is town; disagrees with alisae reads list. Posts reads on 908. SR Bitmap. Posts updated reads on 1261.
MariarR – 295, calls out post as LAMIST, (playstyle feels like dominant town/confident scum; reactive posting)
Alisae – SR oversoul hard, thinks lupin could be scum, slight TR on creature? Posts reads list on 835 with GE, ANK as hardest SR & Dun, Cephir as strongest TR.
Kagami – tr pops?
Popsofctown – says bitmap seems town & wants to sort shiro (148), TR most female slots thinks at least 2 scum in boys; GE scummier than Alisae & hard SR on Okapoka
Gamma Emerald - haven't read this person
Bitmap – tr anka, GE gives townvibes, slight tr Dun & oka, SR mariar
Cephrir – Posts reads at 911
Shiro - haven't read this person

[Golden Robster]

yes

r u town

[Golden Robster]

Conf Town:

GR

Town:

Lupin/Creature

Leaning Town:

Firebringer, Dunnstral

Semi-leaning Town:

Unwnd

Slight Town:

Bitmap, Gaiden, GE
Null/Undecided: Shiro, Cephrir, MariaR,

Slight Scum:

Anka, pops

Semi-leaning Scum:

Kagami

Leaning Scum:

Alisae, OkaPoka

Scum:

[Golden Robster]

GR doesn't feel like town atm

Why?

[Golden Robster]

scumread on the conftown

nice

ok nice my reads are wrong

[Golden Robster]

Conf Town:

GR, Kagami

Town:

Lupin/Creature

Leaning Town:

Firebringer, Dunnstral

Semi-leaning Town:

Unwnd

Slight Town:

Bitmap, Gaiden, GE
Null/Undecided: Shiro, Cephrir, MariaR,

Slight Scum:

Anka, pops

Semi-leaning Scum:

Leaning Scum:

Alisae, OkaPoka

Scum:

[Golden Robster]

@dunn why do you SR Creature

also what do you think about my readslist

[Golden Robster]

what do you mean; someone pointed it out to me

[Golden Robster]

what do you mean; someone pointed it out to me

What did they point out?

scumread on the conftown

nice

?

[Golden Robster]

I'm going to defend GR over here a bit. Kagami has done nothing remotely town worthy except get confirmed town by the mod. Kagami also wasted the opportunity to pair up with a player who is a very high town read by a majority of players here.

There I said it. I expect backlash from this.

and yh this

I skimmed through kagami ISO seperately and didn't really get much of a town vibe

but it makes sense that he's conf!town; doesn't have to put effort

[Golden Robster]

not really

I just forgot that you were conf!town

[Golden Robster]

@dunn why do you SR Creature

also what do you think about my readslist

Looks like you cobbled it together really quick

I want to talk about the 4 unpaired ladies - Pops, Bitmap, Alisae, Creature, how are you reading them?

I don't like Creature's postings and I didn't get a townread on Lupic or their replace out

yh its put together quite quickly; mostly gut

lupin hyper-aggressive posting and pushing out reads near the start of game felt pretty towny to me and creature hasn't done much to ping me

probably in terms of Creature >> BitMap >> Pops >> Alisae

[Golden Robster]

Goldenrob have you played a dance setup before?

How did you know how to bold your proposal like that but not know that I was a gentlemen?

first time playing this setup

reading the page before and FB danced with Shiro and bolded it & most commands are in bold

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@dunn why do you SR Creature

He does that like every game we play together

LMAOOOOOO

[Golden Robster]

Conf Town:

GR

Town:

Lupin/Creature

Leaning Town:

Firebringer, Dunnstral

Semi-leaning Town:

Unwnd

Slight Town:

Bitmap, Gaiden, GE
Null/Undecided: Shiro, Cephrir, MariaR,

Slight Scum:

Anka, pops

Semi-leaning Scum:

Kagami

Leaning Scum:

Alisae, OkaPoka

Scum:

Why are Gaiden and GE towny, and why is Alisae scummy?

Gaiden - posting feels natural; flows between filler/joke posting and some serious stuff but gut makes me think slight town just because it doesnt ping me as unnatural and serious scumhunting theatre

GE - put GE as slight town because I've been scum with him before granted that was like two years ago; again its mostly gut but I feel confident that I can read GE well; skimmed through his posts but its mostly one-liners and i dont feel the seriousness that i normally get from his scum games

[Golden Robster]

Alisae - yh I dont really think their doing anything productive for town; it might be a combination of their playstyle but short posting, slightly fillerish and the kind of posts that avoid reasoning but are jokey pings me a lot.

but its mostly gut

[Golden Robster]

actually thats unfair on alisae, tbh a lot of players are doing the same thing, ill re-read iso and go though it

[Golden Robster]

creature is one of my strongest townreads, then bitmap

pops doesnt feel natural but that could be me reading playstyle wrong and alisae is a no

[Golden Robster]

@Creature

hi are you there

[Golden Robster]

Creature will you have the honor of dancing with me

we going to be the best scumhunting duo in this game

[Golden Robster]

???

anka i dont appreciate that me and creature go WAY BACK

[Golden Robster]

unwnd ask pops i think ur town and pops is the less worse choice between the ones left

[Golden Robster]

@dunn

I think it's pretty weird that his opinion on the lupin slot at p52 was that he apparently disagrees with all the slot's reads except for a townread on his own slot, but they're town because they post a lot.

They also apparently have history, which is enough to justify requesting a dance, but this awkward super-townread feels tacked on to get there.

where did i say that I disagree with the slot's reads except for a TR

?

[Golden Robster]

creature are you really rejecting me

[Golden Robster]

pops already paired up with uwynd

[Golden Robster]

nah just incredulous

both town!creature and scum!creature has an incentive to accept my offer; rejecting it once already made me TR him more

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: FB/Shiro

[Golden Robster]

dunn scum doesn't feel like a thing.

don't see bitmap scum either

can someone talk me through which posts are giving these vibes

[Golden Robster]

i think shiro is scum and partner is oka/one of deas-ceph.

[Golden Robster]

adding to that: lupin/creature & dun are strong townreads for me and should never be lynched

bitmap can live

shiro & oka need to go

[Golden Robster]

shiro & oka need to go

shiro

& oka need to go

shiro

& oka need to go

[Golden Robster]

Fire-Shiro won't be any more readable with 2 pairs alive than they are now

[Golden Robster]

like. most pairs are going to be lynched.

pressuring the pair that has done little to nothing

why are people scared of voting

[Golden Robster]

new theory anka is deepwolf discuss

[Golden Robster]

new theory anka is deepwolf discuss

Have you discussed this with Creature?

i say it as a joke but i wouldnt be 100% shook if one of anka/mariaR turned out to be scum

like. if there's been a string of mislynches then my paranoia might get me to reconsider reads; both players are capable of leading town and spearheading wagons

but first shiro/oka.

[Golden Robster]

i skimmed through sixty pages; made a reads list based on gut.

specific parts as in ISO's? or no

[Golden Robster]

what part feels sketchy to u.

being relieved & afraid of strong players is normal in mafia esp since the strongest players can lead town on a wild goose chase

[Golden Robster]

i skimmed through alisae, shiro, creature iso's briefly

nothing indepth though why

[Golden Robster]

hmmm

wasn't my intention but can see why its scummy to u

like right now im not worried; both players aren't playing an active role

and i think its perfectly fine to lynch townleaders who ML all game

[Golden Robster]

u havent skimmed me or gamma ?

I have to agree that it's weird you wouldn't ISO me as we have a decent amount of experience together

yeah we do but you also have the 2nd largest number of posts with lots of one-liners (i skimmed through it earlier i think but didnt read)

[Golden Robster]

i skimmed through alisae, shiro, creature iso's briefly

nothing indepth though why

so where be the readlist taht you claimed you made?

in my pt with creature

u curious?

pre-dance phase reads are in my iso

[Golden Robster]

@Gamma i skimmed through a lot of ISOs but id forgotten tbh

[Golden Robster]

@Gamma i skimmed through a lot of ISOs but id forgotten tbh

Why did you forget?

cause i skimmed through them...

[Golden Robster]

but if u skim through it too quickly then you forget who you skimmed

you skim my point?

[Golden Robster]

i read through iso's briefly for players that I didnt know where to place in my pre-dance phase readslist like players that i didn't pay tht much attention to in my first read

i dont really remember anymore

idk what ur trying to do to me here gamma

like if u want me to do indepth iso analysis maybe later

[Golden Robster]

?

what.

of course i read your posts ive literally been typing in this thread for past hour

[Golden Robster]

because im not reading all of the posts when i had to go thr sixty pgs of content

i just noted down anything important like reads etc

why are you arguing pedantics with me

[Golden Robster]

because im not reading all of the posts when i had to go thr sixty pgs of content

i just noted down anything important like reads etc

why are you arguing pedantics with me

Because my thinking is, "hey if I didn't pay attention to this person

then

, and I'm looking at them

now

, I should try my hardest to pay attention!"

yeah i briefly read through their iso and checked any posts that had reads, changes of stances and anything that caught my eye

then i compiled it into a big messy reads list pre-dance phase (check my iso its my second post)

[Golden Robster]

fourth*

also idk why u keep pushing this point oka I read your posts but it doesnt mean i had to do an ISO

[Golden Robster]

Like 98% of the posts in the last few pages were not useful to anything

[Golden Robster]

because im not reading all of the posts when i had to go thr sixty pgs of content

i just noted down anything important like reads etc

why are you arguing pedantics with me

Because my thinking is, "hey if I didn't pay attention to this person

then

, and I'm looking at them

now

, I should try my hardest to pay attention!"

yeah i briefly read through their iso and checked any posts that had reads, changes of stances and anything that caught my eye

then i compiled it into a big messy reads list pre-dance phase (check my iso its my second post)

I thought you said you did it after that list

when i compiled the list i read through specific ISO's

then afterwards I briefly read through some iso's the ones i said like shiro, alisae etc

then ive been following the thread and reading the current posts

[Golden Robster]

i only replaced in today + most of my reads are gut

[Golden Robster]

gamma i stg is this leading somewhere

[Golden Robster]

if this is ur rxn congratulations u have made me tired

[Golden Robster]

bitmap is probably town

where is the motivation in scum!bitmap trying to protect bad GR entrance in #1568 after I accidently put kagami as a scumread

makes zero sense to stick out his neck for me when its easier to discredit me

[Golden Robster]

My townlist currently is:

unwnd
Dunnstral
Golden Robster (this is a potentially outdated read based on Oversoul posts and I haven't properly parsed Robster's posts yet)
Ankamius
Kagami obv
Pops
Creature
Bitmap

yeah i can get behind this; take out anka and pops and we have a good townblock

[Golden Robster]

bitmap is probably town

where is the motivation in scum!bitmap trying to protect bad GR entrance in #1568 after I accidently put kagami as a scumread

makes zero sense to stick out his neck for me when its easier to discredit me

As I had said before, Bitmap is probably town, but this is not a good reason to think why.

It was an extremely clumsy defense that completely missed the point of what it was responding to.

There's a fair amount of scum motivation in defending town, especially if the defense isn't effective.

clumsy defense =/= mafia

his defense felt genuine of me and i disagree with scum motivation in defending town its all situational to me

[Golden Robster]

DeasVail

- Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

-

MariaR

Firebringer -

Shiro

OkaPoka

- Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

-

popsofctown

Golden Robster

-

Creature

[Golden Robster]

yes

[Golden Robster]

her first twenty posts are filler and not anything useful but i guess its rvs equivalent stage so pass here

then SR's mariaR with a mixture of meta reasoning and association that bit and mariaR are partners

and doesnt proceed to vote her SR

[Golden Robster]

first dance lasts eight days

also nice colors

[Golden Robster]

no mine make perfect sense

@gaiden do you have any reads right now

[Golden Robster]

what happened between 1545 and 2022, GR?

shiro dropped down to leaning scum nothing else has changed

dun/creature still my strongest townread and fb had a town reaction to his wagon but partnered up with scum!shiro

[Golden Robster]

DeasVail

- Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

-

MariaR

Firebringer -

Shiro

OkaPoka

- Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

-

popsofctown

Golden Robster

-

Creature

I'm reading this as "I'm ok to varying extents with lynching any pair that isn't my own and Dunn's.

yh ur not wrong

[Golden Robster]

what happened between 1545 and 2022, GR?

shiro dropped down to leaning scum nothing else has changed

dun/creature still my strongest townread and fb had a town reaction to his wagon but partnered up with scum!shiro

Why did FB move out of townlean between then and 2475

he didnt i forgot to color him in

DeasVail

- Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

-

MariaR

Firebringer

-

Shiro

OkaPoka

- Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

-

popsofctown

Golden Robster

-

Creature

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: oka/gamma

[Golden Robster]

just lynch both pairs

the consensus is fb/shiro or oka/gamma to varying extents

nothings changed

[Golden Robster]

gamma you've played scum with me before this isn't how i operate

look at NY213 again

[Golden Robster]

probably because when im town people scumread me and viceversa

i mean that meta

[Golden Robster]

heres my meta

1. when im scum im usually top 3 posters in the game due to going to full lengths to act town and i enjoy being scum vs town
2. when im scum i usually try and pocket strong town players; see NY213 when i tried to get anka on my side
3. i normally try to ignore and persuade people tunnelling me when im scum rather than not giving a single crap

[Golden Robster]

how is it wifom? ive regularly played with players in this game

just browse my past games i dont need to self-explain

[Golden Robster]

i mean ur not wrong but im town so being an open book isnt hurting anybody

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VOTE: fb/shiro

[Golden Robster]

next wagon pls

[Golden Robster]

pops why are you even talking about gaiden slot he wont ever be lynched until after intermission

hes paired up with conftown

[Golden Robster]

kagami-gaiden
gr-creature
dun-bit

none of these pairs above are being lynched until endgame

[Golden Robster]

zzz

but its so pointless like what are you going to do lynch the conftown pair

[Golden Robster]

oka leaving without talking in thread is a good sign

[Golden Robster]

then why doesnt oka say in gamethread instead of telling you?

[Golden Robster]

im not sure on GE but i do think their reads are absolutely wrong but it doesnt matter anymore

also 6 days left for two lynches from 16 -> 12 (intermission)

[Golden Robster]

no i had a lean town read on you because you genuinely defended my slot and sticked your neck out for me

ur just paranoid

[Golden Robster]

theres no debate on fbshiro but the third lynch im not sure

guess ill talk with creature in pt

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: fb/shiro

[Golden Robster]

choo choo

[Golden Robster]

oka's iso made it really clear that creature is town and anka is most likely town

[Golden Robster]

this game wont be hard to solve because oka iso gives us the biggest clues

anka is town and creature is most likely town

fire/shiro has one scum and most likely someone bussed

[Golden Robster]

why is everybody voting bitmap

dunn-bitmap makes it to endgame since likely txt

his posting is bad but not bad enough to be scum just a result of people pushing and pressuring

fire-shiro has every bad association with oka yet people not reading

[Golden Robster]

Sorry but why are we pushing a fire/shiro lynch ?

who is scum in fire/shiro?

why are we scumreading shiro?

Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.

Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?

It's not bad if Fire can read Shiro no? or work well with her and since they've seemed to have a long history with each other then its probably true?

Because dominant voices seem to be consensusing around them, Kagami has given approval and Shiro hasn't really posted content in pre dance.

But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.

What does AI stand for?

alignment indicative

@unwnd the thing is I don't see many elaborations being posted on why firebringer/shiro is scum other than pairing so nobody is actually accountable. its just yeah scum we have to lynch

i dont consider oka a savvy-scum player so taking this at face he hard defends the pair vigorously without any strong reasoning other than giving them a chance to post

considering we lynched scum by looking at the dodgiest pair first why dont we apply the same logic

shiro has been dodging this thread since d1 and giving surface lvl reads vs. bitmap actually contributing and sounding x10 more townlike

[Golden Robster]

yeah activity isn't ai

but looking through her iso i can confidently say that nothing she has posted has been vry meaningful or resolute

its just fluff posting - SR mariaR then proceeds to not SR mariaR then proceeds to fluff ask town whether ppl SR me

[Golden Robster]

yes and he got lynched d1 your point

[Golden Robster]

or near the beginning of the game

[Golden Robster]

yeah potentially but more often than not if ur good at scum it means you can survive

or getting lynched for the purpose of being bussed or some kind of scumtheatre etc its all situational

this is all theory but again, he left the thread without giving any wifom reads so im 90% sure he felt resigned and most likely gave up on doing anything

i think both wagons having scum is pretty plausible esp when he didnt really do anything to protect himself

if he was a strong scum player then he probably would of tried to wifom/switch wagon but because both the main wagons had scum he gave up

[Golden Robster]

if that happens i think first and foremost ill reconsider my reads

[Golden Robster]

yeah ive been busy ill get back into this game

[Golden Robster]

anka ur insane

[Golden Robster]

i read through after-intermission posts

nothings changed

fire-shiro is my still number 1 lynch

the only thing that worries me is figuring out which scum was on ceph-dv wagon; either my read on dun-bit is wrong or uwnd-pops has scum or mariaR is scum

all of these problems are sorted if we correctly lynch scum tmr because anka can leave dance and we still have ML's left etc

[Golden Robster]

nothings scummy about creature

unless his frequent mentions of leaving the dance are taken as theatre

[Golden Robster]

other way around

[Golden Robster]

literally past couple of pages

[Golden Robster]

I find this focus on flipping your pairing first really bizarre and awkward

Especially with scum in dunnmap

he has been saying me and shiro are scum for a long time tho?

Ya but no mention of flipping Dunnmap???

bcs i still townread them

out of the possible ppl that was on ceph-dv i think uwnd/pops may potentially have one scum or mariaR

[Golden Robster]

Ofc you do gr

bitmap was hard-advocating to lynch their own pair to prove his association theory right or to follow his lynches

u dont townread that?

[Golden Robster]

so is there any reason not to lynch dunnmap

How many mislynches can we afford? Is the gameplan still lynching BittDunn and then FBShiro? Do we have room to do so?

No, the game plan is if you lynch BitDunn and they both flip town, you lynch AnkMariaR or popsunwnd. Look at the wagon.

Dunn, bitmap, unwnd, Ankamius, MariaR, popsofctown

This is the wagon we have. At least one of these pairs has a scum I can guarantee it at this point. And these pairs all have their town pocketed so hard that we're in a pretty dangerous position.

unwnd always had a scum read on MariaR and never pushed it. Had me as conf scum but jumped on the DV wagon as soon as the bitt/dunn wagon wasn't going through.

Stop trying to lynch fire/shiro.

this

I'm pretty sure either I'm getting pocketed by Dunns, Ank is getting pocketed by MariaR, or pops is getting pocketed by unwnd.

or this

If Dunns flips scum, lynch the GR/creature pair.

or this

[Golden Robster]

what deal?

i dont remember but ive been busy lately so dont remember

[Golden Robster]

hmmm that deal still on the table?

[Golden Robster]

nah sorry I don't remember can you link specific post

[Golden Robster]

I thought that post was more of a question rather than a deal?

[Golden Robster]

ah i didnt see that

ok mb but yeah

[Golden Robster]

And both you and creature ate it the hell up more than anyone else

I can see a lot of scum potential there

anka what happens if bitmap flips town here

[Golden Robster]

Bitmap literally has to just town up enough to protect himself since Dunn is blatantly town

It's ridiculous as hell to townread bitmap for reasons like that and not have a townread on Dunn at all

It's basically protecting bitmap while still having the ability to bus if you absolutely have to

I TR dunn and to a lesser extent bitmap

[Golden Robster]

fb i hard townread you right now but not shiro

[Golden Robster]

i mean that was more like a consolation

but yeah i think theres one scum who pushed the ceph-dv wagon and one who probably distanced

shiro fits the bill for distancing and one of the pairs who voted on that wagon but not sure

[Golden Robster]

no votes though from either of you though

like u can talk the talk but u got to walk the walk

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: fb/shiro

[Golden Robster]

pops played really well i was pretty useless gg

[Golden Robster]

was fun

thanks for moderating fakegod