Project ARCH - Epilogue

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Yall nerds being up at 5 am, I though I would be 1st post

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Im thinking about whoever is being lynched could nitpick who is on their wagon, it could offset a t flip, gives more power to a lynchee and give reads if a mefia is lynched and is torned between selecting scum or town on wagon, discuss

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Or we could make a vote for whoever gets to be on the lynch wagon, the lynchee’s vote could have more weigh or something, until we have a clear

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i think the negative utility town we should be lynching to get serum are players we think are mafia

Im thinking about whoever is being lynched could nitpick who is on their wagon, it could offset a t flip, gives more power to a lynchee and give reads if a mefia is lynched and is torned between selecting scum or town on wagon, discuss

this actually isnt a bad idea if this playerlist is active, which i think it can be

im a bit worried abt reading into scum that know theyre dying's actions since thats almost like reading into guiltied scum but for mislynches it's good imo and if we do it for mislynches we kinda have to do it for scum

Even if assuming they are going to act like guilted scum, their choices still will have impact on the game and thus, will always be logically picked for either the serum gain or the associatives gain, still gives content for town

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i think having a second vote thing thats unofficial is going to be too much effort to keep up from personal experience, just the lynched person having some authority is good enough

... I'm saying negative utility town could be used now to let people get serum, not that they're mafia. Jesus. When I'm talking about A and B, that doesn't mean you combine em.

So you think we should lynch, say, a miller, who you don't think is mafia, so that we get serum?

Yes I do. The weak are fuel for the stronger ones here.

uhm wig

Maybe we could pick last 3 players? Also I command all town to absolutely never self hammer + do not run up people to L-1, since there’s scum gain via selfing

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since there’s scum gain via selfing

No there isn't

Once again: when a scum player is lynched, ALL players gain 2 serum

I don't think that is a snowball mechanic to let town breeze through the game, and so I don't think denying serum is incredibly impactful

Less serum means it's easier to keep track of stuff. Like if somebody got roleblocked - who had serum?

I thought being on a scum lynch was +4 overall

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i mean it's a small benefit but you prevent 1 player from gaining an additional 2 serum

You are assuming that more serum in play is always better for the town

I do not believe this is necessarily the case

Can you precise your though about that, mechanics arent my forte

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Tbh at first I thought mafia could have a serum pool with a list of actions w/ a cost and a limit per night. The town picking up the serum could slowly reduce the pool while gaining serum for mafia could mitigate the loss, idk

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VOTE: purple anime detective

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VOTE: purple anime detective

Umm, what?

I also came to the realization that scum self-hammering to deny town serum might be a thing to watch out for. And then immediately realized that the serum gain when lynching Simotech might be to offset that.

Hm, self hammering can deny 2 serums at most, everyone getting serum is a serum gain on a completely different magnitude

Also, purple detective is kid

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VOTE: purple anime detective

She's actually more pink

I hardclaim color shift on that one

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Ego

Will catch up shortly

Im pretty sure he just softedclaimed some sort of condiment just there

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Speaking of last game, who's gonna be the Mathblade that causes me to go into a 30 page death spiral of madness culminating in a giant all caps rant this time?

VOTE: purple anime detective

Thank you for volunteering.

We can skip directly to the all caps omgus part if you want

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Speaking of last game, who's gonna be the Mathblade that causes me to go into a 30 page death spiral of madness culminating in a giant all caps rant this time?

VOTE: purple anime detective

Thank you for volunteering.

We can skip directly to the all caps omgus part if you want

Nah dude, it's about the build. We both have to be completely wrong about everything for 30 pages until we both look and sound like meth'd out lot lizards, THEN we go ballistic.

My gf keeps telling me im not good w/ build up

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I mean, at the very least can you not make it a quote pyramid at the same time? Please?
Also, why did that vote happen CloudKicker. I can't tell why you made the vote from your previous posts or context.

I know you are trying to distance yourself from me when I openchainsawed your slot

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I mean, at the very least can you not make it a quote pyramid at the same time? Please?
Also, why did that vote happen CloudKicker. I can't tell why you made the vote from your previous posts or context.

I know you are trying to distance yourself from me when I openchainsawed your slot

lol this is such useless jargon i feel like it's made from a scum who is trying to play off as an informative townie

VOTE: CloudKicker

lol why me

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I mean, at the very least can you not make it a quote pyramid at the same time? Please?
Also, why did that vote happen CloudKicker. I can't tell why you made the vote from your previous posts or context.

I know you are trying to distance yourself from me when I openchainsawed your slot

lol this is such useless jargon i feel like it's made from a scum who is trying to play off as an informative townie

VOTE: CloudKicker

Yeah, what does 154 even mean?

I know it’s alien to you but it’s humor. I implied that the green gear and I were mefia and that his quoted post was an attempt to distance himself from me because I associated my slot with his by voting anime detective who fosed them, aka openchainsawed his ass

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Open- is a suffix used in the mefia culture when something is done openly aka w/ no regard to hide one’s intention.
Ex: openwolfing; obviously playing for mafia’s win condition

Chaisawing is a term used in the mefia culture when someone defend a slot by voting whoever voted that specific slot, its like a defense but by attacking another slot.

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I mean, at the very least can you not make it a quote pyramid at the same time? Please?
Also, why did that vote happen CloudKicker. I can't tell why you made the vote from your previous posts or context.

I know you are trying to distance yourself from me when I openchainsawed your slot

lol this is such useless jargon i feel like it's made from a scum who is trying to play off as an informative townie

VOTE: CloudKicker

lol why me

VOTE: CloudKicker

lol but why me??

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It's gonna be hard to determine which of CloudKicker/Fred is being stupid and the other is just scum

Why do you bundle me with that dude?

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i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

Can you please make a case about the post you dislike, what doesnt sound genuine etc. I already explained the post you didn’t understand, I am assuming you fos me for other posts.

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Also: If Any Millers or some shit wanna claim so we can murder you to get some Serum that would be nice.

Why didn't you wait a miller claim first?

Because Dunn is basically confirmed town and shiz. That's why I did it page one before the Miller or someone appeared to give them shit if they DIDN'T claim.

I'm still open for the negative utility thing but Dunn's more useful alive. I did this mainly to get a read on a Miller. Wish it was somebody besides Dunn tho.

I have a hard time believing your whole d1 policy talk was meant to have reads on a possible future miller claim

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i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

Can you please make a case about the post you dislike, what doesnt sound genuine etc. I already explained the post you didn’t understand, I am assuming you fos me for other posts.

I think you're weird and I don't get your humor but others don't think it's scummy

You explained what you meant but why does him openchainsawing and distancing (your words) mean. As in, the person you said you were doing those things. Are they scum?

I was only calling green gear mefia if I was mefia so you can imagine it wasn’t shading and only banter, so no that post had no genuine reads behind it.

You don’t know what distancing means?
A good amount of mefia games are partly solved via associatives between slot aka how mefia tends to interact because they share their hidden win condition. So a lot of mefia will go out of their way to make posts with the sole purpose to make good interactions with their other mefia members, so when people ISO either slot once thwy are flipped mefia, it will not be obvious who the others mefias are.
Is that better? I implied that it was what green gear was doing with me, implying we were both mefia

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Why do you keep saying mefia

Because people keeps asking me why I keep saying mefia

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i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

Can you please make a case about the post you dislike, what doesnt sound genuine etc. I already explained the post you didn’t understand, I am assuming you fos me for other posts.

I think you're weird and I don't get your humor but others don't think it's scummy

You explained what you meant but why does him openchainsawing and distancing (your words) mean. As in, the person you said you were doing those things. Are they scum?

I was only calling green gear mefia if I was mefia so you can imagine it wasn’t shading and only banter, so no that post had no genuine reads behind it.

You don’t know what distancing means?
A good amount of mefia games are partly solved via associatives between slot aka how mefia tends to interact because they share their hidden win condition. So a lot of mefia will go out of their way to make posts with the sole purpose to make good interactions with their other mefia members, so when people ISO either slot once thwy are flipped mefia, it will not be obvious who the others mefias are.
Is that better? I implied that it was what green gear was doing with me, implying we were both mefia

No, no

I'm asking you why you said those things about Rautherdir in 154. Like what does it mean in terms of how you read him

Dude, I made a paragraph to answer that “that post had no genuine reads behind it”

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I will be incredibly easy to read especially since it’s a one shot game and I don’t really plan on being active again, so I don’t have to worry about killing my scum game by being too towny, so dw

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I think CK is on mefia.

Are you talking about my vote, if so can you share your thoughts

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I will be incredibly easy to read especially since it’s a one shot game and I don’t really plan on being active again, so I don’t have to worry about killing my scum game by being too towny, so dw

I'd policy Lynch this attitude.

Anyway bye will post from Hydra acc from now on just wanted EgOpOsT

tf are you even on about, thats not even “attitude”, I am saying I will be purposefully transparent, how is that for a PL?

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I will be incredibly easy to read especially since it’s a one shot game and I don’t really plan on being active again, so I don’t have to worry about killing my scum game by being too towny, so dw

What does this even mean

Jeez, I regret playing on mobile.
I an saying that I can be as towny as I want w/ no regard on how it will affect my meta, which is how i used to play when i was active

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I think CK is on mefia.

Are you talking about my vote, if so can you share your thoughts

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Hey how you doing maria

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Also: If Any Millers or some shit wanna claim so we can murder you to get some Serum that would be nice.

Why didn't you wait a miller claim first?

Because Dunn is basically confirmed town and shiz. That's why I did it page one before the Miller or someone appeared to give them shit if they DIDN'T claim.

I'm still open for the negative utility thing but Dunn's more useful alive. I did this mainly to get a read on a Miller. Wish it was somebody besides Dunn tho.

I have a hard time believing your whole d1 policy talk was meant to have reads on a possible future miller claim

Do you still think this?

Kinda, I wasn’t satisfied with his answer. My take on it is that he might say that as town even if it’s inaccurate

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@Dunn; To add to my 401

Sometimes I feel like town will do objectively scummy/irrelevant/stuff and might lie about it once called out on it because they are self-conscious and does not want their behavior/fuck-up to affect their win con.

IMO bambi’s D1 had nothing to do with a possible future claim, it ‘s just very unlikely and not a very good lie anyway. I also don’t think it was to get out of RVS (which was his answer to my 237), also not a very good lie since it was like the 4th post or something and he became very obviously emotionally invested in your discussion with him.

So I think his answers are bullshit but my read is that he townreads you and wants town to drop the subject because it makes him look scummy/incoherent not to lead on ya, something something

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Also the lies he used IMO have no agenda but to close the subject about his d1 and the miller stuff and he does not gives himself an open door to eventually vote you either. I might be wrong here but it’s not the kind of “lies” I feel scum wouldve said there

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It's gonna be hard to determine which of CloudKicker/Fred is being stupid and the other is just scum

Why do you bundle me with that dude?

It's gonna be hard to determine which of CloudKicker/Fred is being stupid and the other is just scum

Why do you think it's one each?

@unwnd: can you answer those posts

I think CK is on mefia.

Are you talking about my vote, if so can you share your thoughts

@fred: can you answer the post

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I said I don’t believe your explanations, thus I am assuming you are bending the truth.

Did you really talk about lynching miller for serums to get reads on an hypothetical miller?

Did you want to get those reads as-in, trying to find a unclaimed miller reacting to your content (like Dun did) or reads because you would consider not policy lynching them? Or something else

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Its funny because its true @fred

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ADHD joke boys, chillos

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Altho I'd kinda rather lynch Maria because she spurned my advances and I need to reassert my masculinity by policy lynching her for it. Feel like a real man, you know?

(I feel like I should say this is a joke in case anyone has such a low opinion of me they take this seriously.)

she rejected me first, stop trying to be interesting

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wym

How long is it gonna take for ppl to say whemes town cause I think people in this gams can read me

I think youre town tbh

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RC is the caricature of my worst flaws as a player

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RC is the caricature of my worst flaws as a player

thank you for your input.

My worst flaws also are one of the reason why I am successful. I agree w/ your content on the anime detective and I have no plan on unvoting

Pedit: @dun not moving

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@Dun, whats your read?

Do you wanna vote purple detective w/ me?

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VOTE: Kidamn

Can you share the mental gymnastics of voting w/ your scumread

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VOTE: Kidamn

Can you share the mental gymnastics of voting w/ your scumread

I’m more likely to be wrong than rc is

Actually, the probabilities would compound considering, for Kid to be scum then you would need to be wrong + rc to be correct versus the odds of only you being wrong.

Also regardless, its a fucking pussy thing to do

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@Dun, whats your read?

Do you wanna vote purple detective w/ me?

Kidamn is null to me

You can still vote null slots you know and its their job to not be scumread

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Actually, the probabilities would compound considering, for Kid to be scum then you would need to be wrong + rc to be correct versus the odds of only you being wrong.

Also regardless, its a fucking pussy thing to do

this isn't how the math works lol

While being able to do this would be great I've accepted that sometimes it doesn't really work out and I've become a bit more comfortable with compromise

desu desu desu

My only assomption was that you wouldnt bus,that whemenis town and that the events are independent. Please enlighten me on probabilities Mr mathematic

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I don't want to vote Kidamn because if RC is town he's vastly overblowing how confident he is because he didn't like that Kidamn made a quip at him so now he wants him out, and if he's scum then yeah, but I don't want to encourage such behavior. My vote is fine where it is

What whemestar is doing rn makes no sense

I voted them before Rc for their bad content, it has nothing to do with him

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Okay let's say that WhemeStar has slightly above average odds of reading me.
I think that's bullshit, objectively, but I'm going to assume it for the sake of this exercise.

Let's say there's 4 scum and his odds of having correctly pinned me are 5/18.

On the other hand, his odds of being wrong on me are 13/18 and based on my town record over the past year we have lynched scum D1 in 10/16 of those games
130/288 is significantly higher than 5/18 so even if he is above average at reading me and scumreads me (which he's not) it's still objectively correct to sheep me.

To be pedantic then, the math was correct, maybe not the number used and that is assuming everything you said is correct

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Okay let's say that WhemeStar has slightly above average odds of reading me.
I think that's bullshit, objectively, but I'm going to assume it for the sake of this exercise.

Let's say there's 4 scum and his odds of having correctly pinned me are 5/18.

On the other hand, his odds of being wrong on me are 13/18

and based on my town record over the past year we have lynched scum D1 in 10/16 of those games
130/288 is significantly higher than 5/18 so even if he is above average at reading me and scumreads me (which he's not) it's still objectively correct to sheep me.

Would be hilarious if thats a genuine scumslip

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To be pedantic then, the math was correct, maybe not the number used and that is assuming everything you said is correct

Which number do you dispute?

None. I dispute your wording when you said “thats now how math works” assuming I made a mistake in understanding how probabilities works, which I did not.

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Would be hilarious if thats a genuine scumslip

How is it a scumslip ever?

If he has 5/18 odds of correctly scumreading me as scum he has 13/18 odds of being wrong on his scumread on me and me being town.

True, I don’t know why but I read it in reverse, disregard the slip post

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I dont mins dunking him 2nd

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Primate feels super lost, not sure if it's town lost or scum lost.

Tbh raut’s 106 can also come from 3p, I kinda feel its too naïve of a post for mefia

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You don't have to scumread Rautherdir or think that he literally scumslipped but thinking that he's town or that his posts are too naive to be mafia is... a little out there to me.

My naïve post is because i feel like he was making a genuine effort to be transparent enough for primate’s question while not wanting have his answer misunderstood. I think it was a very risky post and scum would just dismiss it since theres no gain saying you are not 3p over just claiming town. That being said, i dislike some of his other posts so im uh, he also made a comment about my kidam vote that pinged me

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Like if I just want to lynch KidAmn I don't have to do anything. I could not post for the remainder of the day and KidAmn would die with the momentum that already exists.

Uh, no

Why not

Kidamn didn't have THAT much momentum

What do you think of raut?
Since he's switched gears now anyway, it only really got up to 5 votes, not the 7 he claimed

I disagree tbh

OK. Let's come back to this later and see if Kidamn gets lynched off of the current momentum, and we can figure out who's right

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Love the format breaking

***@Dun what do you think of raut?

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@Dun what do you think of raut?

He doesn't deserve as much verbal pressure that he's getting. The reasons for scumreading him are basically "he's awkward" - he should be given more of a chance to post

Do you have any confident reads? What do you think of unwd?

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@Dunn; To add to my 401

Sometimes I feel like town will do objectively scummy/irrelevant/stuff and might lie about it once called out on it because they are self-conscious and does not want their behavior/fuck-up to affect their win con.

IMO bambi’s D1 had nothing to do with a possible future claim, it ‘s just very unlikely and not a very good lie anyway. I also don’t think it was to get out of RVS (which was his answer to my 237), also not a very good lie since it was like the 4th post or something and he became very obviously emotionally invested in your discussion with him.

So I think his answers are bullshit but my read is that he townreads you and wants town to drop the subject because it makes him look scummy/incoherent not to lead on ya, something something

Also the lies he used IMO have no agenda but to close the subject about his d1 and the miller stuff and he does not gives himself an open door to eventually vote you either. I might be wrong here but it’s not the kind of “lies” I feel scum wouldve said there

I said I don’t believe your explanations, thus I am assuming you are bending the truth.

Did you really talk about lynching miller for serums to get reads on an hypothetical miller?

Did you want to get those reads as-in, trying to find a unclaimed miller reacting to your content (like Dun did) or reads because you would consider not policy lynching them? Or something else

I agree with post 402 and 403 but I have to ask what the point of 406 is then? You are pinging me like you want townies to understand your reasoning more than you're trying to get those questions answered.

I gues thats true, I doubt my read will change w/ bambi’s answers and I don’t really fos the slot

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KA what are some of your reads not related to RC at all

I have some issues with Gamma that I'll work out on my own - at the very least I have good reason to suspect his alignment doesn't match my own, although I don't want to go into those reasons too deeply at this point in time.

MariaR's sticking to their posting style enough that I'm willing to dismiss it; their actual posts however,

I believe I shall OMGUS this player until the I detect a more likely virus. As user 13 is not a high-value player regardless I am fine with this
VOTE: Wheme Star

I believe I have upset user 13 feelings by being honest. Although it appears they have no logical reason to think I'm a virus.

Like you won't get her lynched D1 if she's scum so pushing her D1 seems like a complete waste of time fmpov

User 5 is correct. If my data banks are correct I have never been lynched Day 1 before as scum so putting in the effort to try is futile. If you have logical reasoning to think I'm a virus however I suggest you share it.

(I know I've included an RC post here, eat me, it feeds into the vibe I'm getting) feel weird. The wording of 457 especially feels off.

Primate's odd query of Rauth elicited an interesting reaction given Rauth's, shall we say,

particular

choice of words, but they've done very little except complain about the fact that certain personalities warp the game:

I tell you what, this game is so much more bizarre when you don't actually know any of the personalities involved anymore. It's like "I'm voting Rumpletumple because he's fuckin rumpletumple" and others are like "no not the magnificent rumpletumple."

They've done precious little to try and get in the game since that exchange with Rauth, and that needs to change.

Bambi's early talk of "making sure people who can make use of it" (I'm paraphrasing here) get the serum, when we all need it to power our vote still rubs me up the wrong way for some reason. Just a little niggle in the back of my mind.

@detective do you mins sharing your gamma content

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I read a few recent games of detective as both alignement and my confidence on her slot flipping scum decreased significantly
VOTE: primate

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Unwd is one of my 3 confident townreads, regardless how trashy his flip on me was, imo his follow up was also pretty bad but felt sincere to me & I agree with maria that gamma has been scumming it up, I also disagree with his case on uwnd

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@mariar how am i loud

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I just remebered the unwd dichotomy so I will retract that full tr, but I recall having tagged him as town tone wise pretty early on

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I also feel less and less inclined to buy wheme shit plays as town

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^ this, monsieurs and madames, is town posting

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VOTE: gamma

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Cloudy I really want you to try and justify unwnd's interactions with your slot as town because they really aren't imo

The dichotomy post is probably the worst in the thread and his pushes on me were bad, but can see it coming from town. Tone wise I think he’s doing too good of a job for mefia, shrugs, I am a sucker for tone

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Cloudy I really want you to try and justify unwnd's interactions with your slot as town because they really aren't imo

The dichotomy post is probably the worst in the thread and his pushes on me were bad, but can see it coming from town. Tone wise I think he’s doing too good of a job for mefia, shrugs, I am a sucker for tone

Well that won't convince me because content-wise unwnd is abysmal and if you admit you are weak to that kind of thing maybe you should take it with a grain of salt

I think hes misguided genuine town, like 90% of every player flipping town.
That being said, I had you as a pretty strong townread and im not very satisfied with my vote I am annoyed i read kid’s past games which made lose my game pov

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UNVOTE: i will be reseting a bunch of reads

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CK I have no read on you and I didn't have a read when I confronted you, but it seemed like you were joking in our whole interaction and I was like, actually trying to read you.

That is my mistake lol

What do you mean your mistake? Taking me seriously when i was joking?

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Its not mutually exclusive btw, Id why you seems to implies it is

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Like, someone making a joke doesnt absolve them of being read, jokes can be AI

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Like, someone making a joke doesnt absolve them of being read, jokes can be AI

I mean I agree but I'd rather just write it off as my own mistake instead of trying to come to some sort of agreement whether or not your jokes were inherently scummy

Its one thing to have understood I was joking, its another to strike that content off for that poor of a reason, sayin’

But i get no one used every content to read someone

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Has there been a murder yet?

You seems to be coasting since page 5, its pretty underwhelming

Whats your confident reads? top trs, srs etc

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It's called other scum exist, and if Cloudy brings up a good reason to townread you I might take his word
Like the reason I called your content abysmal was to state that tone wasn't going to change my mind without explanation
And again, what about that wall was appealing to others

Hey, with all honesty, it's just that some of his posts are well above average what I expect from an average scum range of someone I don't know about. The post I ^'d was amazing tone wise, I feel like he just genuinely feels like someone who's unjustly fosed/pushed and not in a scummy way.

If you want to see it that way, IMO he ''won'' the exchange with you and he doesn't look like someone with that much experience. On average, using the premise that an unknown slot would not play above average is correct almost everytime, but I have been wrong in the past (on vifam namely, yourself and others) and I also sometimes have a tendency to disregard content in favour of tone alone for random slots (which works most of the time, but as always, sometimes its a huge miss)

But tone wise, his day 1 has some pristine posts and I don't want to lynch them, IMO he will towntell more and people will eventually agree, so take the tr as a blessing for his d1 survival

@unwd

: are you even going to answer about the fred/myself post, you aren't answering when I brought it up twice

@Mariar

: Can you make a summary read list with your 5 ish most confident reads

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I didn't think it was possible to have four reads in six pages. I'm so proud of you guys.

VOTE: Rautherdir

Baa.

Can you go on about your reads when you come back

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I can vaguely see what you're saying Cloudy but I'm still not sure, like you say it feels like someone who feels unjustly pushed but I don't see that.
But I also think I can agree with the idea of leaving him to post more and seeing what happens
VOTE: MariaR though because I stand by the fact this isn't how town!Maria approaches me at all

It is not tesxtbook scum!mariar either, I think she's just purposefully trying to not AI tell at all, she's being opaque.

That being said, I have played with her in years & with any of you either, did her scum play changes?
How about your play gamma, I want to include you in my town circle but I recall having misread you in the past even if you strike me playing different and better this game than the one I mistownread you in

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CK I've been playing Forum Mafia since like 2010 and just got done winning a towngame for everyone respect ur elders bub

Okay then i retract my read on you, either you answer the dichotomy post in your next post or i will be parking my vote on you

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I don't know if her scum play changed but aside from the dance game we both played I don't think I've ever failed to catch MariaR as scum and we both have a good record of reading each other, and even when MariaR is scumreading me as town I don't recall her ever pushing me this single-mindedly, but I do recall she did this once a long time ago as scum.
As for myself I don't know which specific game you misread me in so I can't say too well what you should expect

I think it was the game you had a great single post that I townread pretty hard, along with A50. I fakeclaimed mason w/ kokichi as VT and i was under Joey_

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Scum theater ? They basically mentionned each-other and voted w/ no case at all, nothing that has been done between those 2 slots even points that they are non-scum together

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though I'd appreciate if they gave in-depth reads at some point.

Its done purposefully, im not playing cards on table just yet

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Chemist1422, I don't really see much from you yet. I'll be able to give a better read of him later on in day 1.
Fred the Cat. Even if you are an alt for a certain person I've decided not to give that any attention, the point of the alt would probably have been to get away from that. It would be appreciated if you could give reads on people instead of sheeping though. (I know it's day 1, but there is actually stuff to read from most everyone at this point.)
RedPanda, I don't see very much open reasoning about your reads, that would be more helpful then just saying whether you think a person is town or not. That said, you are giving reads, and appear to be interacting with others to build them. A town-lean for now, I can evaluate you better later on in day 1.
WhemeStar. First of all you're horrifyingly difficult to read. I can tell you're sorting people but I'm not sure if that's just keeping up appearances or not. I would wait and see if he can be sorted better in a later day.

Vifam, could you explain why the unwnd wagon is bad? You do appear to be doing sorting, I'll mostly leave you to it for now. Will be sorted later.

thecoldheartedking is awaiting replacement and I don't know them well enough to make a read based on their existing content. Will sort later.
Primate is currently null. Joined in with mechanics talk at the beginning, then that question which threw me off because WHY didn't you just ask if I was third party or not if that's what you were looking for. I'll read you better later, you have stuff to work on from me now.
Sakura Hana is probably town. I'd appreciate more content from you though, and you've mostly been sheeping. (Again, even though it's day 1 there is enough content to actually do some scum hunting now.)
Dunnstral is probably town. They've been doing quite a bit of sorting and while he's not always open with his reads I can tell he's developing them.
unwnd is... lean-town right now? I think they'll be easier read later, though I'm not sure if I like how they appear to be openly pacing themselves or not. They have been doing some hunting, I just really am not sure about their current tactics.

I'll get back into this again later to do actual reads on KidAmn and Gamma.

Don't you have any srs?

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Scum theater ? They basically mentionned each-other and voted w/ no case at all, nothing that has been done between those 2 slots even points that they are non-scum together

If you think this is scum theatre between me and Maria then you're wrong, we've done that before and it was not like this
Also ah, got it about the game, yeah I did really try my hardest that game which made my crash and burn really fucking painful

Thats what im saying, this isn't scum theatre as in, it doesn't even gives tells about associations because both stances are way too shallow

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CK I've been playing Forum Mafia since like 2010 and just got done winning a towngame for everyone respect ur elders bub

Okay then i retract my read on you, either you answer the dichotomy post in your next post or i will be parking my vote on you

It's not really that important and I have no strong reasoning for it, sometimes I do things because I want to and that was one of them

I want you to try, walk me trough your though process, why did you bundle me and Fred at all? Im insisting because its a textbook scumpost in a vacuum, so try

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Dude, idc you scumread me for the stupis joke, I want to know how in the world dis you ever get to bundle me w/ fred

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That cold read is odd af rcs

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I'm scared that stalling 24 hours will mean really bad stuff but I have no energy for this game so I'm not doing it tonight.

dw i will wait you before i strongarm/lynch all the town slots

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This game got boring real quick

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RCSF, why is Gamma a townread?

im genuinely struggling to see where scumreads of him are coming from and i think a consensus scumread on someone that isnt scummy but typically is misread early game is generally going to be town?

if that makes sense. i realize this is basically saying "he's not scummy so he's town" which is Bad Reasoning but, like, thats the vibe i get from the gamestate

i wont like shit myself if i'm wrong, that's like a dunn-tier read, but i think he's fairly likely town just for that. do you think he's scummy, and if so can you point towards the posts that first made u feel that way

I dislike the wording/phrasing of your last paragraph, it comes off as overjustifying & tone is off, like almost apologetic and you never stroke me as someone like that

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That being said, im most likely biased/nit picking/bored

Also im happy a50 is replacing in, ez read ez lyf

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VOTE: bambino

[CloudKicker]

Why are you voting for user 8?

I submitted a post containing this information w/o the *’s; [vote*]Bambino[*/vote]

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So, unfortunately for my ability to get townreads that I'm confident in on the people who I haven't solved as scum, most of the game is not playing here.
FTC hasn't actually earned a townread at this point. The same applies to tons of other people who I don't think are scum.
Declaring a confident solve on multiple scum at one time without a large set of the playerlist that I'm confidently townreading is dicey

However, I'm feeling relatively good about this in spite of that, and also in spite of the fact that calling multiple slots as scum makes it easier for townies who disagree with me on any of them as opposed to all of them to discredit all my reads as a group because of that, so I think that I will go ahead.

I think that all 3 of

Cloudkicker

,

Unwnd

, and

Gamma Emerald

are scumbuddies. Gamma is the least confident but still feel relatively good on.

lol why me

On another note, you are very bad at hiding your reads

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Also, why is it more preposterous to scumread two [not you] people and less preposterous to scumread someone that you know for a fact to be town (ie, you)?

This is RC’s towniest post ftr

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Its funny because if im mafia from interactions w/ gamma and unwd then RC is implying that I suck at the forum game of mefia

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I thought being on a scum lynch was +4 overall

Yes, 2 from being on the lynch wagon and 2 from the flip, which means a scum self-hammer makes it likely most/all their

serum consuming partners

are on the wagon already. If scum self-hammer in this case it will be to deny a townie 2 "precious" serum units (precious is supposed to be sarcasm here because not all roles require serum). Otherwise, scum would rather a scum partner to hammer to get the additional 2 units.

So why are more worried about serum and who gets it than actually finding out who is scum and lynching them?

Spoiler:

Im not sure you read the game correctly, I was correcting someone, you should stop eating so much bananas

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lol why me

On another note, you are very bad at hiding your reads

oh i knew you guys knew

as soon as i started querying your reads on each other you guys started repeatedly attempting to distance from each other and forced interaction after interaction

True, i tried my best to coach unwd but he doesnt understand that just because he has more experience he gets to call the shots

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that you do? moreso i'd be implying that gamma and unwnd have sucked at interacting with you. you're more solved by others' actions.

CK I've been playing Forum Mafia since like 2010 and just got done winning a towngame for everyone respect ur elders bub

Okay then i retract my read on you, either you answer the dichotomy post in your next post or i will be parking my vote on you

oh yeah this

this is pretty traditionally svs

i guess this can deserve a "you suck at the game of mafia" thingy

This is town slot me @ hypothetical town slot CC; this is confirmation bias. I actually scumread his answer because been there done that, dismissing someone’s reasons to TR you as town is something scum thinks is towny because its objectively wrong and dismissing objectively wrong stuff seems valid

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That being I enjoy the content @RC and the new replace-in otherwise I would not have the opportunity to project my alignement as well & appreciate the content, or lack-there-of, the others slots. Thank you for your input.

Could you expand on the gamma scumread, I liked your lasts answers

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I wont flip since i have never been lynched as town

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The only time I ever “fliped” as t was because your hard lead on my love who I did TR and i was leading on scum, @ d1

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My lover*

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Bambino has been contentless for the past 45 pages despite a strong start, also this is me trying to direct the attention of the town on another slot while I wifom my way out of this fos.

@bambino: Don’t you have content? Confident reads? What about my slot : ) do you think I am mefia?

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I think I wouldn't mind blindly following RC for your murder, Cloud. But otherwise I said what I wanted to say day 1 and am doing a mix between active lurking and trolling until I see something interesting.

Why wouldn’t you mind? Also hes not leading on me, hes leading on uwnd. If you really cared about his reads you wouldve noticed + you have not answered my questions

Deflecting + ungenuine pov = ???

wat to do

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Easiest way to earn my townread is to convince me that FTC is the scum over you.

But that's conditional on FTC being the scum over you

I think I wouldn't mind blindly following RC for your murder, Cloud. But otherwise I said what I wanted to say day 1 and am doing a mix between active lurking and trolling until I see something interesting.

I am not voting cloud. That's not the lynch order. As of right now it's unwnd -> Gamma -> Cloud -> FTC (if Cloud is town)

I think I wouldn't mind blindly following RC for your murder, Cloud. But otherwise I said what I wanted to say day 1 and am doing a mix between active lurking and trolling until I see something interesting.

Why wouldn’t you mind? Also hes not leading on me, hes leading on uwnd. If you really cared about his reads you wouldve noticed + you have not answered my questions

Deflecting + ungenuine pov = ???

wat to do

I copied your post in pedit to get a townread, no really this is a 100% mirror tell you are going to dismiss for bias

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I haven't dismissed anyone or anything. Like I said, there are a lot of uncertain slots that could be scum.

But I'm confident that my lynch order kills enough of the scum early to give us enough serum to make the rest of the game easy.

Nah, my scum ability is to reset serum for everyone, since im 3rd in line thats, your above statement is untrue :/

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In ascetic serum cock-blocker

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I haven't dismissed anyone or anything. Like I said, there are a lot of uncertain slots that could be scum.

But I'm confident that my lynch order kills enough of the scum early to give us enough serum to make the rest of the game easy.

Nah, my scum ability is to reset serum for everyone, since im 3rd in line thats, your above statement is untrue :/

Why did you start trolling and claiming scum?

Because Its entertaining, which is the reason why I play this game to begin with. RC being wrong w/ his ego bigger than my balls when kidamn’s gf is unavailable is entertaining, so pushing the situation is funny

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Cuz he got caught and is playing it off.

You can put my check in the mail for solving the game.

Yes you dont vote ?

Incoherence x2

wat to do

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I have always enjoyed making snide comments about your ego and you arent a saint either

About Gamma, I think I have been more wrong than correct on him with all the games we played, as either alignement. I feel like hes town but that read is always on hold considering my poor stats w/ him

About uwnd, im like ??? I already outed my reads on him, he had good posts I dont think comes from scum, yet shat the bed a few times, imo hes mediocre town read-wise which is basically everyone

Fred its w/e, I need more content and that is disregarding his activity meta

So no I don’t really think its solved

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Cuz he got caught and is playing it off.

You can put my check in the mail for solving the game.

Yes you dont vote ?

Incoherence x2

wat to do

Why would I do that? Its so obvious the votes will come eventually.

What makes it obvious that the votes will come, do you think I will be scumread by town?

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One of my favorite parts of playing with RC is watching RC rip scum into pieces.

I am mefia? mind articulating why you believe that? If not then take a seat and keep being a bystander and don’t give content you can’t back up

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I don't claim to be a saint and I'm not really interested in engaging you about out of game stuff. I purely wanted to know what your reads were.

As an aside, defending Gamma and Unwnd makes you pretty much a shoe in lynch assuming I'm right that they flip town.

You mentioned early game you wanted to not scumhunt w/ associatives yet you out a 3/4 s pool for interactions :/

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You're literally put as third on the lynch list with a person that I think could easily be scum in your slot.
If you're not scum with them trying to prevent ALL the lynches by towning yourself up, why are you making this about you and not about Unwnd/Gamma?

If I'm wrong on Unwnd/Gamma doesn't that discredit my read on you anyway?

No? I dont give a shit about what you think of them, preflips arent something people even cares, shading my slot I care

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I'm just saying, your response is incredibly unproductive if you're town while being essentially the optimal response as scum here.

No? I dont give a shit about what you think of them, preflips arent something people even cares, shading my slot I care

I always do preflip though

Optimal response as scum? You roasted gamma for arguing on ck/uwnd associations and not caring about his own slot (and imo you t told pretty hard). Now youre spinning that logic to conclude its scummy that i refuse to interact w/ those associations

Maybe you comf biaising? When is the time to 2nd guess yourself

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Then second guess your self worth as a townreader

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Im probably going to lunch bambino out of grudge along the line ftr

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In really fucking annoyed about the shitslots coasting

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Also FTC for reasons beyond activity this feels like your scum game.

Anything you want to say about that?

I ISOd them and agree

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Sorry RC shaded you as scum Cloud. They do it to everyone.

Wait do you think CC is scum?

No he's saying i am scum

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So, unfortunately for my ability to get townreads that I'm confident in on the people who I haven't solved as scum, most of the game is not playing here.
FTC hasn't actually earned a townread at this point. The same applies to tons of other people who I don't think are scum.
Declaring a confident solve on multiple scum at one time without a large set of the playerlist that I'm confidently townreading is dicey

However, I'm feeling relatively good about this in spite of that, and also in spite of the fact that calling multiple slots as scum makes it easier for townies who disagree with me on any of them as opposed to all of them to discredit all my reads as a group because of that, so I think that I will go ahead.

I think that all 3 of

Cloudkicker

,

Unwnd

, and

Gamma Emerald

are scumbuddies. Gamma is the least confident but still feel relatively good on.

lol why me

On another note, you are very bad at hiding your reads

Just like you, I answer one post at a time-ish when I am rereading, I outed my reads on his s pool about 2-3 times already and i disagree with his associatives with my slot (obv).
I have looked at gamma/unwd tho but im not diving into associatives as of yet

???

Really? This is all you have to say to this?

~N

Also, why is it more preposterous to scumread two [not you] people and less preposterous to scumread someone that you know for a fact to be town (ie, you)?

This is RC’s towniest post ftr

Why aren’t you attempting to debunk RC’s argument? This seems like deflection to me.

~N

That being I enjoy the content @RC and the new replace-in otherwise I would not have the opportunity to project my alignement as well & appreciate the content, or lack-there-of, the others slots. Thank you for your input.

Could you expand on the gamma scumread, I liked your lasts answers

Ngl CK, not really all that impressed with your recent posts. You seem to literally be doing everything but responding directly to RC’s case on you.

~N

Bambino has been contentless for the past 45 pages despite a strong start, also this is me trying to direct the attention of the town on another slot while I wifom my way out of this fos.

@bambino: Don’t you have content? Confident reads? What about my slot : ) do you think I am mefia?

Bambi has done nothing scummy. Each post you make, intentionally ignoring RC’s case on you, just makes you look worse and worse.

~N

Also, why is it more preposterous to scumread two [not you] people and less preposterous to scumread someone that you know for a fact to be town (ie, you)?

This is RC’s towniest post ftr

Why aren’t you attempting to debunk RC’s argument? This seems like deflection to me.

~N

What was his argument

About the various interactions between him and unwind. He just seems to be totally skirting around it.

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^Formating of my ass

**Just like you, I answer one post at a time-ish when I am rereading, I outed my reads on his s pool about 2-3 times already and i disagree with his associatives with my slot (obv).
I have looked at gamma/unwd tho but im not diving into associatives as of yet

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And FTR RC's has no ''case'' as in, a single centralized post that can be discussed @Nacy. What RC did was claim a 3/4 with my name in it and vaguely mention associatives with my slot and that we were distancing, not sure what you expect from me than to just say ''lol no''.
The posts he's referring to are pretty unsubstantial all around but I understand why it can be seen as SvsS and it's easy to conf bias a slot you already have a head made about them

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It's not hard to see this as scumplaining

I think you have a decent chance of being scum and nothing has given me a reason to reconsider and I wouldn't be as happy lynching the other lynch targets at the moment

You can say RC RC RC but it doesn't matter.

I thought you were town in the dance game and I don't get that feeling here. I'm not too confident but this isn't bad for a day 1 lynch, that's the kind of reasoning I'm going with

Can you link, also what is different from his game then and this one?

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The only time I ever “fliped” as t was because your hard lead on my love who I did TR and i was leading on scum, @ d1

Who is this at

Its even more funny because i realized that game im talking about is the prequel of this one and it was addressed to rc

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Don't replace-in if you don't even care, 50 pages is that bad to catch up

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is not*

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VOTE: unwnd

Any content to add w/ that vote?

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Would be hilarious if thats a genuine scumslip

How is it a scumslip ever?

If he has 5/18 odds of correctly scumreading me as scum he has 13/18 odds of being wrong on his scumread on me and me being town.

CK I agree with CC that it doesn't look like a slip

Would be hilarious if thats a genuine scumslip

How is it a scumslip ever?

If he has 5/18 odds of correctly scumreading me as scum he has 13/18 odds of being wrong on his scumread on me and me being town.

True, I don’t know why but I read it in reverse, disregard the slip post

Maybe I should go back to preliminary school then. I hope somebody did explain how a 4-players scum team results in a 5/18 odds of a random scum read to be correct.

Spoiler:

I think its because he said he would assume wheme could read him with higher accuracy than role distribution. His argument was that it probabilities were better even in an above average scenario something something

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19 is a weird size for a game

In my mind, the progression goes like this:
5 people: 1 mafia
9 people: 2 mafia
13 people: 3 mafia
17 people: 4 mafia
21 people: 5 mafia

So I think third party is pretty likely. Or maybe I'm just wrong and 19 is considered normal for 4 scum

I was thinking about the corporations and that post from Dun, what if its multiball? I am not strong setups wise but, would that make sens ?

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19 is a weird size for a game

In my mind, the progression goes like this:
5 people: 1 mafia
9 people: 2 mafia
13 people: 3 mafia
17 people: 4 mafia
21 people: 5 mafia

So I think third party is pretty likely. Or maybe I'm just wrong and 19 is considered normal for 4 scum

I was thinking about the corporations and that post from Dun, what if its multiball? I am not strong setups wise but, would that make sens ?

Or a SK

[CloudKicker]

19 is a weird size for a game

In my mind, the progression goes like this:
5 people: 1 mafia
9 people: 2 mafia
13 people: 3 mafia
17 people: 4 mafia
21 people: 5 mafia

So I think third party is pretty likely. Or maybe I'm just wrong and 19 is considered normal for 4 scum

I was thinking about the corporations and that post from Dun, what if its multiball? I am not strong setups wise but, would that make sens ?

Wait, do you think each corporation is an alignment? That would be messy

No, not at all, just that IMO they matter in a way we don't know as of yet. Also im curious about the "outcast" one

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Spoiler: Still fighting for what they believe in (Alive)

• Cloudkicker
  
• MariaR
  
• KidAmn
  
• Rautherdir
  
• Celestial Coordinates
  
• Omochao
  
• RadiantCowbells Superfan
  
• Bambi Jay
  
• Gamma Emerald
  
• Chemist1422
  
• Fred The Cat
  
• RedPanda
  
• WhemeStar
  
• Vifam
  
• Almost50
  
• Primate
  
• Sakura Hana
  
• Dunnstral
  
• unwnd

Also, the way the "living players" is worded on mod 1st post + he said there would be bastard elements, idk I feel like there's at least something w/ those corporations

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"Spoiler: What happens, happens.
This game has hidden events that are triggered in certain scenarios. Some players may or may not know about the existence of certain events. Events may or may not be publicly announced."

I also completely forgot about that part, maybe the bastard element would be a change of alignement ? Also theres 6 corporations + Outcast

Considering 19 players, maybe 3 players/corporations + 1 Outcast, shrug

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Does anyone has a reason to believe corporations claiming could be detrimental?

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No it wasnt a PoE list, those are just all my scumreads.

why do you sr me again

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Benevolent 3p is free serum. Obviously not. Just sayin.

You have an addiction to serum...

and murder.

Such is the sane response.

"Spoiler: What happens, happens.
This game has hidden events that are triggered in certain scenarios. Some players may or may not know about the existence of certain events. Events may or may not be publicly announced."

I also completely forgot about that part, maybe the bastard element would be a change of alignement ? Also theres 6 corporations + Outcast

Considering 19 players, maybe 3 players/corporations + 1 Outcast, shrug

He garunteed no Cult tho, alone with all roles being sane in the signups. So it's a different type of bastard

Would changing alignement at X special event considering "non sane"? Like maybe a slot is 3p, lone survivor until X, then switches

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Does anyone has a reason to believe corporations claiming could be detrimental?

Yes

gamma im starting to doubt you're town

what is giving u the feeling you have to keep your vote on maria? i dont think that wagon's going to really go anywhere today thus far

pedit: i said in the beginning of the thread that i think corporations hint at prs and are mostly flavor, so yeah that would be detrimental

Nah I really doubt its mostly flavor. Being tied to prs I could see tho

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Also i thought the signups thread said there wouldnt be alignment changes and that the mod wouldnt lie.

"If a lynched player was aligned with Simotech, all players receive an additional 2 Serum."

The way its worded, it implies a single scum faction. I highly doubt he would say that if simotech had 2 colours or something.

Also, why didn't you like about my interactions with cc

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"Outcasts (no company, unemployed)"

Idk, IMO it's very precise to be mentioned in 1st post. Some abilities might need to use a company name or something, maybe the outcast is ascetic SK lel

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Coz scum love using "You arent casing me" as a defense.

Its not a defense, its me asking why tf do you sr me slot, you didn't out a single piece of fucking content regardind this beyond what you said 2 posts ago. Pre-fabricated one-liners like those while you deflect my questions is not good play by any means as either alignement

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Coz scum love using "You arent casing me" as a defense.

I mightve misread that

As you saying that you scumread me because i said that to RC? are you shitting me lmao

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is not good play by any means as either alignement

I never said i was a good player.
Im also not good at explaining.

But arguing that if i cant provide a reason to SR you then i shouldnt is wrong. And is usually done by scum, specially to deflect

.

I never once implied in any way whatsoever that your failure to explain means that you are wrong, i only did ask why do you SR me and you are the one doing the deflection

You are wrong, regardless if you explain it or not. I never deflected anything that came my way and the fact you take everything the wrong way proves that you either have an agenda or conf biasing pretty hard which both shows a resistance to reason & new informations

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And FTR RC's has no ''case'' as in, a single centralized post that can be discussed @Nacy. What RC did was claim a 3/4 with my name in it and vaguely mention associatives with my slot and that we were distancing, not sure what you expect from me than to just say ''lol no''.
The posts he's referring to are pretty unsubstantial all around but I understand why it can be seen as SvsS and it's easy to conf bias a slot you already have a head made about them

So what is this post saying then?

You are an incoherent mess

I used ""'s around 'case' then proceeded to explain exactly how I intended to use that word in my post because I did not want it to be misinterpreted

I said ; no "case" as in (here's the definition i posted and planned to to use in my post) :

a single centralized post that can be discussed

Did I say he had no reason to fos me ? No, i said :

The posts he's referring to are pretty unsubstantial all around but I understand why it can be seen as SvsS

Did I say the fact that he has no 'case' or no centralized post then people should disregard his scum pool? No
Did I say he's wrong because he can't explain (or simply didn't) his thought process aka whatever fucking subreads he had to conclude to that scum pool? No

Did I disagree with his reads? Yes.
Is he wrong read-wise? Yes
Is he wrong because of no 'case' ? I never implied so

Learn 2 read

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"Outcasts (no company, unemployed)"

Idk, IMO it's very precise to be mentioned in 1st post. Some abilities might need to use a company name or something, maybe the outcast is ascetic SK lel

Or maybe they're just the VTs (or maybe the Vanilla Roles??)

Spoiler:

theres a VT sample role w/ a corporation so that doesnt work

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Why do u want a single centralized post that can be discussed then.
My idea is "to discredit it".

Actually, you know what, this is going nowhere. This is why i hate interacting with my scumreads.

Jesus fucking christ, don't you think that there's no town gain to ask for someone to explain their scumreads? Don't you think that EVEN if I had the confirmation that CC was town, I wouldn't want them to out their thought process so I could hold their hands and walk me trough their thoughts process so I can point out what is wrong, misinterpreted, misread etc ?
(Which is BTW, exactly what I am doing with you RN and I discover that you reads are based on worst fundations than wheme's votes).

Don't you think its town's job to discredit incorrect posts? Incorrect reads? lol

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Why do u want a single centralized post that can be discussed then.
My idea is "to discredit it".

Actually, you know what, this is going nowhere. This is why i hate interacting with my scumreads.

make me cookies instead

Sure!

And then you dare mention someone else is deflecting, can you even more be hypocritical

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Out it

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Nah, let scum shiver in pain and suffering.

You play an arguing game and you coward away from a conversation with someone you fos and then you make comments like these

[CloudKicker]

It's not hard to see this as scumplaining

I think you have a decent chance of being scum and nothing has given me a reason to reconsider and I wouldn't be as happy lynching the other lynch targets at the moment

You can say RC RC RC but it doesn't matter.

I thought you were town in the dance game and I don't get that feeling here. I'm not too confident but this isn't bad for a day 1 lynch, that's the kind of reasoning I'm going with

Can you link, also what is different from his game then and this one?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80283

The difference is that I don't townread him in this game

I skimmed and i think it is the same, I will have to dive deeper later

[CloudKicker]

I skimmed and i think it is the same, I will have to dive deeper later

you didn't have time to skim jack shit

plus, no it's not the same at all

I did skim, its pretty subjective what skimming means. Did you ask me what exactly I did ? No, then why do you imply I am lying or shade me ?

Also, I said I disagree but needed to dive deeper and more correctly. Whats the purpose of this post but just to shade me?

[CloudKicker]

Oh shit Unwnd and Cloud are going full chainsaw.

chainsaw means calling the people voting each other scum. they're just hard defending.

Confirmation bias, i townread unwnd before it was cool to fos them

[CloudKicker]

unwnd can you try to like, try to centralize who you're calling out? who are the scummy people letting the gamestate be as illogical as you state it is? as valid and relatable-in-past games as 1240 it's meaningless to me if you're not pointing out who you think could be the scum trying to make the gamestate the way it is. like i've been in your position before and even though i was completely wrong about it it let me move the gamestate along and eventually lynch scum.

It's not really centralized, I don't think everyone voting me is scum. If I had to give individual tells on everyone, I'd say that CC (or RC) is null, Sakura is probably misguided town, Dunnstral is leaning scum, and then Bambi Jay is..just unfortunate. I'd scumread her but part of me thinks she doesn't care enough to be scum.

When I was talking about

the votes

, I meant every vote. You have 3 votes on Rauth that I seriously can't remember why they were made in the first place; same with the 2 on Primate which counts your own. What's your reason for Primate if you're still on them? Primate's behavior is inconclusive to me, just seems like he's grabbing a lot of the common topics and aligning them in a form of a paragraph. The problem I'm facing (and maybe you're tired of hearing about this) is not plays and conversations made are not very distinguishable from the others. I'm pretty sure in the example of Primate you have someone who's acting close to the same. Who's the scum there? I don't have an individual example to compare but when the thread is like this you have similar behavior that is hard to distinguish from one and the other. When it comes to my own wagon, I feel RC has done nothing notable and if I were commenting on his logic I'd say it's pretty bad when it comes to Me/Gamma/KC. Sakura seems a bit more innocuous just from a tone perspective and I feel like she's easily influenced by people like RC hence she's there. I'd say her jump on me is probably the least I'm worried about for that fact alone. Everything Dunnstral has said thus far rings hollow to me, moreover there are some certain things I don't like that I haven't given myself the time to address. It's a process of his wording, the way he's said things. Maybe you're interested in hearing more about it. I have nothing to say about Bambi which is both good/bad.

I don't know why the assumption being made is that I think RC is leading a herd against me, personally Dunnstral voted me before RC even considered the fact. Bambi just wants 'murder', and then Sakura is probably the only sheep there. I see Penguin has voted me now and Fred and I've already talked about Fred needs to be vigged and if somehow you don't see that by now then I'm not sure what to say.

FtR this is uwnd 2nd towniest post

[CloudKicker]

BTW a50 is most likely scum, i will do a read list soon then I will convert myself to a useless shitslot and stay low, because obviously not everyone play the same game as I do

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: monkey

[CloudKicker]

cloud your top SR was bambi jay right

no

[CloudKicker]

Sample read list v1.0, keep in mind this is D1 reads, in no particular order

d1 Town if you disregard healthy paranoia/2nd guess

Dun/PP/RCS/Unwd/CC/RP

Leaning town, in general ppl I don't care too much d1, play is generally weaker than group 1, often times less content

Kid/vifam/bambi/sakura/raut

Need more info or read too swingy

Mariar/gamma/omo/chemist/wheme/primate

Active srs

a50/FTC

[CloudKicker]

@unwnd, what do you think of my read list?

[CloudKicker]

lmao, beettlejuice

Can you roughly state which and why

[CloudKicker]

BTW a50 is most likely scum, i will do a read list soon then

I will convert myself to a useless shitslot

and stay low, because obviously not everyone play the same game as I do

So you will stop fishing for intel about who's hired by what corp? Sounds good to me.

P.S. There! I outed why I'm scum reading you.

Spoiler:

You really don't understand what is my scum playstyle

[CloudKicker]

and CK townleans vifam? LOL

300% shade post, nothing of value, not even a single word about why it is wrong/scummy/invalid, anything. Just a pure motherfucking 300% from A to Z openshading post

[CloudKicker]

Sample read list v1.0, keep in mind this is D1 reads, in no particular order

d1 Town if you disregard healthy paranoia/2nd guess

Dun/PP/RCS/Unwd/CC/RP

Leaning town, in general ppl I don't care too much d1, play is generally weaker than group 1, often times less content

Kid/vifam/bambi/sakura/raut

Need more info or read too swingy

Mariar/gamma/omo/chemist/wheme/primate

Active srs

a50/FTC

By the way PP replaced omo

Why is vifam a townlean?

and CK townleans vifam? LOL

Also the difference between being town acting town and a fucking useless lurksack. Both disagree, only 1 slot is relevant

[CloudKicker]

Also a50, why would you out why you scumread after i claimed i would stay low? Its not like saying why you sr me helps town in any way whatsoever, so him its shallow and posturizing

[CloudKicker]

Sample read list v1.0, keep in mind this is D1 reads, in no particular order

d1 Town if you disregard healthy paranoia/2nd guess

Dun/PP/RCS/Unwd/CC/RP

Leaning town, in general ppl I don't care too much d1, play is generally weaker than group 1, often times less content

Kid/vifam/bambi/sakura/raut

Need more info or read too swingy

Mariar/gamma/omo/chemist/wheme/primate

Active srs

a50/FTC

By the way PP replaced omo

Why is vifam a townlean?

Scum in a hurry wouldn't pay attention to such small details.

Spoiler:

Again, its pretty obvious you dont know my scum playstyle since i am very calculated

[CloudKicker]

Also a50, why would you out why you scumread after i claimed i would stay low? Its not like saying why you sr me helps town in any way whatsoever, so him its shallow and posturizing

Really? It doesn't benefit town to know why someone is scum?? tell me more.

Spoiler:

You claimed the reason you scumread me was very anti-town. You outed that read read (assuming anti-town from your information/read/pov) before i said i was going to stay low. I am currently a semi-fosed slot, you wouldnt have needed to out a potentially "very anti-town'' reason to further put shade on me, thus, its shallow and scummy

[CloudKicker]

@unwed: Does your name mean you're celibate, divorced, or just too playful not to settle down?

JUST KIDDING!

@unwnd: What's your read on CK, and -if at all possible- can you type -at least- two sentences for reasoning behind that read?

Also btw, if ure town this game you suck pretty hard and are diverting me from other slots

[CloudKicker]

You really don't understand what is my scum playstyle

Why should I? Did we play scum together before?
In fact, correct me if I'm wrong but the only time we played together before I was in a hydra (AC) and you were scum. You replaced out of that game (but not before I scumread you and convinced Chara of it) and then Titus came in and got lynched in your stead. (I'm talking about DoY I)

My point is

the only time we played together I correctly pegged you as scum

, so "mot understanding your play" is a lame excuse to shrug off a scum read on you by me.

Spoiler:

Hm thats false, we played like 3-4 games together easily

[CloudKicker]

You claimed the reason you scumread me was very anti-town.

No. I said revealing why I think one of you/Panda is scum was anti-town.

Spoiler:

You said it was the reason you fosed me, then you claimed you outed why you scumread me, i assumed it was the anti-town reason aka implying you have information that corporations should not be outed

[CloudKicker]

Can you explain WHY you want corporation claims?

Misrep, I don't want the claims.

You said it was the reason you fosed me, then you claimed you outed why you scumread me, i assumed it was the anti-town reason aka implying you have information that corporations should not be outed

You assumed, eh? Well, I assumed your call for a corporations claim benefits scum somehow.

Spoiler:

Reaching

[CloudKicker]

And the fact that you're Joey doesn't change the fact that you're dishing for sensitive info that could potentially be used by scum to recognize certain town roles. I smell shit I will call shit.

This part is also reaching af and is borderline lamist

How do you even know that scum could recognize certains town roles with that infos ? (don't really answer that).

I surely didn't before i asked if someone had any qualms about outing claims. Once i got an answer, i dropped it and i didnt even try to dig to see if sakura has a valid reason

You know that you should read people based on their intentions, not the face value behaviour. You basically push an informed pov on my actions and try to paint them as scum motivated when I was only trying to investigate a part of the setup that wasnt talked about + discrepancies about the number of players in game (and would be size of mefia faction(s)).

Since when are you this sloppy?

[CloudKicker]

Who's scum, Chemist?

The truth of this game is that everyone is scum

idk I’d need to read up so I’m gonna get started on random ISOs

Im pretty sure you said 2-3 times already you would give effort/content, yet nothing to show. Ill make sure you keep your words

[CloudKicker]

Hm thats false, we played like 3-4 games together easily

LINK THEM!

Spoiler:

I am Joey_, we played 2 Civs and other larges

This post fk'ed with me

Why? It's not a secret alt or anything and I though it was pretty much common knowledge for people i played with in the past, including you

Who's scum, Chemist?

The truth of this game is that everyone is scum

idk I’d need to read up so I’m gonna get started on random ISOs

Promising to catch up is basically your entire ISO...

Spoiler: Chemist Posts - Super Duper Promise Edition

Ego

Will catch up shortly

btw my townread on vifam and dunn dropped for going after chemist when something juicy is happening.

oh boy what'd I miss

I have to appeal to Chemist somehow to actually play the game.
Might as well try to appeal to how he wants to be seen by others. And Dunn I'm not pushing KidAmn anymore.

Not really

I’m in too many games so I stopped joining any until the amount I have dies down

So where does that leave us?

Is it fair to us to have to mislynch you if you're town because you joined a game you couldn't effort in?

Not without giving me a chance to effort

When are you going to effort?

I was planning on starting last night until I got kicked off my computer

I’m gonna start now

I’m here but behind

What’s the best place to look that I’m not caught catching up all game

I’m 15 pages behind what’s up

Who's scum, Chemist?

The truth of this game is that everyone is scum

idk I’d need to read up so I’m gonna get started on random ISOs

Same, mirror tell +

Just because your a kitten disguised as a Cloud doesn't mean we can't murder you. Unwnd is still a priority tho.

Can you try to formulate your uwnd sr and also the sr on my slot

[CloudKicker]

Hey ck!

Did you ask for corporation claim because you think it's multiscum?

Again, I did not "ask" for corporation claim as much as I talked about what was the meaning of the corporations.
I never asked anyone to claim, I only asked if anyone had info that would make claiming detrimental.

Was I investigating the corporations because I think it's multiscum?
At the time, somewhat, I was brain storming about Dun's post about the normal role distribtion town/scum wise, game mechanics (corporations and then events), the bastard elements mentioned by the mod and if it could be multi-ball.
Plus, I get the feeling the game is stalling hard than should be. At the time, i thought it could maybe be explained by multi-ball & town being fosed

[CloudKicker]

I know but you switching accounts just to prove yourself messed with my head

The honest to truth is that i used to have a different background with Joey, that i eventually switched but forgot about it. I was on Joey because i was actually literally been searching for games i shared with a50 since i doubt anyone would lie about objective truth (like game shared). I tried to find games on CK but i eventually got annoyed cause I couldn't find many and then remembered my 2nd acc.

So when I posted there, It was an alt slip.. while I claimed to be Joey_, so that was funny, like I would alt slipd anyway regardless of what my next post wouldve been

[CloudKicker]

Oh yeah btw WhemeStar, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH YOU

WHY ARENT YOU HAPPY

YOULEFT ME BEHIND

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

Large Normal 213

Gamma you agree MariaR is basically outed wolf right

Me gamma and 1 other player have info that isn't widely available and MariaR has outright scumslipped. I don't want to say any more about it right now to not give away information, but the chances of MariaR being town at this point are next to non-existent.

I was bored

Gamma's actually actually scum though

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Gamma and CK what are your thoughts about this?

Its basically what is expected from any good t; which is bullshit content early game to get the game moving/reactions something something. I don't care about the content because i understand the intent

[CloudKicker]

Gamma you are very underwhelming this game. Do you have a read list or something i could engage you on?

[CloudKicker]

Gamma you are very underwhelming this game. Do you have a read list or something i could engage you on?

How the fuck am I "underwhelming"?

Vague stances & vague replies in general, nothing substantial. I guess I just expect more of you than say bambi.

Why the defensive reaction? I am saying that I want more
Why deflect me asking for a read list?

[CloudKicker]

I'll tell you right now my role mentions another faction and I assumed it was Aeon from the prologue.

That probably wasnt a good idea to out buddy.

What do you think of my reads list? Which one do you agree/disagree strongly and why

[CloudKicker]

I'll tell you right now my role mentions another faction and I assumed it was Aeon from the prologue.

Btw you meant corporations and not factions right?

[CloudKicker]

I'll tell you right now my role mentions another faction and I assumed it was Aeon from the prologue.

Btw you meant corporations and not factions right?

[CloudKicker]

Gamma you are very underwhelming this game. Do you have a read list or something i could engage you on?

How the fuck am I "underwhelming"?

Vague stances & vague replies in general, nothing substantial. I guess I just expect more of you than say bambi.

Why the defensive reaction? I am saying that I want more
Why deflect me asking for a read list?

I just don't see how third most posts = underwhelming, but that makes sense what you said.

As for a read list I'd like to make that in it's own post but I'll certainly do it. Btw do you want plain or FANCY?

Fancy pls

[CloudKicker]

Rauther/Unwd/CC/sakura

Leaning town, in general ppl I don't care too much d1, play is generally weaker than group 1, often times less content

Fredthecat/Primate/Dunn/CK/vifam

Mariar/omo/chemist/wheme/Kidamn/RCSF/almost50

gamma/bambi

[/quote]

Thanks

Can you explain the raut/bambi/FTC reads please?

[CloudKicker]

I'll tell you right now my role mentions another faction and I assumed it was Aeon from the prologue.

Btw you meant corporations and not factions right?

I don't want to elaborate but it implies a second faction.

As in, multiball? Btw I asked because i thought it was a typo

[CloudKicker]

Also I just read the prologue and it says 3 corporations did fuck up, namely Simotech/INSTITUA/Aeon

The sample role list an institua as town so ???

I never bothered to read any flavor ever but apparently there might be game related hints

[CloudKicker]

Hes softing sk

[CloudKicker]

...no reaction to my last post, Cloudy?
FYI to all, the show is currently under production and great steps are being taken at this rate to completion.

Honestly i did refrain myself to use nicknames in my list for clarity purposes, so im a bit jealous. Also i try to post less and not react to everything lel

[CloudKicker]

Welcome to Gamma Emerald's Fun-tastic Name Game!

This is the part of the show where I, Gamma Emerald, present to you all the names of those present in the game with each name color-coded to give you an idea of what alignment I believe them to be! Next to these names will be descriptions of what they have done that I find noteworthy! Let the Name Game begin!

...Hold up, the producers just let me know I should add this disclaimer: until the game is proven multiball, coloration is only used as a sliding scale if town to scum!

Cloudkicker

- I do not think I have experienced the clown fest that is scum!Cloudy, but I feel they have been working to sort a bit like me, though I feel like they should mind the eyes glaring at them a little less!

MariaR

- I feel like the robotic facade she puts on is no impediment to being able to analyze her posts. As for the actual read, that is up in the air until she elaborates on her reaction test!

KidAmn

- is it just me or has he gotten less active recently? This is disturbing! I also just feel he is shady in general.

Rautherdir

- This person has slipped under the radar, so I am thinking it could be scum! They also have the dubious honor of being one of the most inactive slots currently.

Celestial Coordinates

- This slot is likely town, their play just does not work as well for scum as it does for town and it fits past experiences with town RC and CC, though I am not as confident about meta consistency for Nancy!

PenguinPower

- I have him as a town lean, while his entrance was not stellar, after I started pressing them he improved at least a little bit!

RadiantCowbells Superfan

- While I feel like this is town they are under consideration for scum that is under-the-radar!

Bambi Jay

- Their posting is almost inscrutable but I managed to find some posts that stuck out town town-aligned!

Gamma Emerald

- Your marvelous host! To wax poetic about myself, I feel like my ISO has a few spots that should truly shine as town play for anyone who cares to consider the ramifications of my actions.

Chemist1422

- Whilst he has barely posted he manages to avoid the embarrassing position of posting so little I cannot read him, because I think there are a couple towny things he has posted!

Fred The Cat

- This mystical individual seems to be a Creature alt! Assuming this I would definitely proclaim this person is town! Also I wonder how this person in particular will react to this because while they were around for the inaugural edition of this show, they were not truly present!

RedPanda

- This person seemed scummy to me early but I haven't really given his posts the time of day since then so I may just be biased against them currently!

WhemeStar

- He has not posted anything spicy that I would expect out of him if he were town, and he seems a lot like his scum self in terms of thread presence, so I am rather confident he is scum!

Vifam

- A quick perusal of the ISO gives me the sense Vifam is not really acting like town. They push weird places, and seem to stick to certain things without the genuine attachment I would expect from a townie who just can't let something go. Hopefully if there is a replacement they will do something more readable though, as this person feels quite inscrutable!

Almost50

- I feel like they are town, but that may change. However whatever read I have on Almost50 I believe everyone should probably trust as we have ended up being able to read each other more often than not!

Primate

- I get a sense this person is town, he seems to be asking questions and looking places others do not think to look! I'm aware others suspect him so I am not too confident but I think the "rumpletumple" observation is alright now that it has been explained.

Sakura Hana

- I am willing to follow RC's lead on this one for now, but I will probably try to make an independent read on D2. Also, just in case this is relevant for anyone, Sakura Hana used to go by Luna Fox!

Dunnstral

- I will be totally frank here, I have no clue how Dunn has managed to become as townread as they are! That's not to say I oppose the read, I just do not get it!

unwnd

- I'm currently having doubts about this person's scum-aligned status, but their own behavior is doing them no favors!

This time around my reads are in a greater state of flux, largely because I have no flips to anchor associations with! Nevertheless I feel this has been a fantastic edition of...

Gamma Emerald's Fun-tastic Name Game!

Thats a lot of trs, I guess I am guilty of that as well. Thank you for that list, I will address it later when I have time

[CloudKicker]

Actually I'd have expected the amount of SRs I have to be questioned

Orange are srs? I assumed null

[CloudKicker]

Catch up yet?

nah I’d rather interact with stuff as it comes and reread when necessary

Uhh.....

Who's scum, Chemist?

The truth of this game is that everyone is scum

idk I’d need to read up so I’m gonna get started on random ISOs

Promising to catch up is basically your entire ISO...

Spoiler: Chemist Posts - Super Duper Promise Edition

Ego

Will catch up shortly

btw my townread on vifam and dunn dropped for going after chemist when something juicy is happening.

oh boy what'd I miss

I have to appeal to Chemist somehow to actually play the game.
Might as well try to appeal to how he wants to be seen by others. And Dunn I'm not pushing KidAmn anymore.

Not really

I’m in too many games so I stopped joining any until the amount I have dies down

So where does that leave us?

Is it fair to us to have to mislynch you if you're town because you joined a game you couldn't effort in?

Not without giving me a chance to effort

When are you going to effort?

I was planning on starting last night until I got kicked off my computer

I’m gonna start now

I’m here but behind

What’s the best place to look that I’m not caught catching up all game

I’m 15 pages behind what’s up

Who's scum, Chemist?

The truth of this game is that everyone is scum

idk I’d need to read up so I’m gonna get started on random ISOs

I kinda bullied Chemist into changing his approach

Im thinking chemist & Gamma are probably town.. meaning im wrong somewhere

[CloudKicker]

still 1/2 cloudkicker/fred the cat, highly leaning towards cloudkicker

Why 1/2? And if you hold that stance what do you make of unwnd saying the same thing? I do think if it is 1 of the 2 I'd vote Cloudy first so I don't object to your selection.

How so? Your FTC read is that strong?

[CloudKicker]

i'm not scumreading gamma anymore

i wouldn't be so quick to write fred off as town: this game is well within creature's scum range, though yeah i do agree CK makes more sense since CK is actively resisting the wagon

What if uwnd is just town and you are fucking up? Did you ever thought about that

[CloudKicker]

btw i have been pretty obvious town, CC is just associatives-reading me and it makes little sens, i wouldn't tank my slot for uwnd and im not actively defending him, i just townread him & won't vote him

Your FTC hard read annoys me tho, i believe you believe it

[CloudKicker]

The whole prefilps pov CC is shoving all your throats is flawed, also sakure dont even imply that you are capable of independently doubting anything

[CloudKicker]

Im capable of doubting.
Im incapable of explaining.

[CloudKicker]

I could care less about scum's opinion so

I dont think you actually care about anything game related and consider this as a chat room

[CloudKicker]

I could care less about scum's opinion so

I dont think you actually care about anything game related and consider this as a chat room

this was meant to be at me right because you're not wrong

it coulnt be farther from the truth imo

[CloudKicker]

As in, your investment in this site and culture is overwhelming and IMO, your identity/Ego is tired pretty hard with whatever is going on here

[CloudKicker]

Im 2nd guessing my uwnd read tbh, at this point ill just reevaluate most reads with a flip

[CloudKicker]

Oh yeah I'm a bulletproof too

Full BP?