Project ARCH - Epilogue

[Rainn]

Hi Bambi, I'm Rainn.

I'll be posting with this account from now on

[Rainn]

Oh fuck he went from basic animu to super animu.

It's also a hint that I'll actually put effort into this I think

reading right now

bambi since you're 3rd party, what is your philosophy in voting here?

[Rainn]

I was the one that defended you being 3rd party and therefore leaving you alone the most I think

want to ally up? I think I'm ready to beat the game you're actually 3rd party and not simotech (good job if that's not how it is).

You can avoid both the blame and scum biasing you by...sheeping me.

[Rainn]

Uh. Maybe. But currently the wagon has shifted to Rauth via process of elimination. Are you on/going there?

To be honest I would rather have Rauth claim right now before making a decision on his slot.

There's...something fishy about the slot. Not the usual fishy though.

but yeah for now I think it's fine to stay there if you're willing to ally up

[Rainn]

Then...yeah Rauth, why don't you claim I guess

VOTE: Rauth

I don't think that sparing you is that much worth it when your slot is so shady now that I've re:read it your ISO (I had a different opinion before), if you claim right now maybe I can change my mind though.

[Rainn]

Hmmm...boy I should have trusted my gut on you.

But If I was wrong on it, it would be a pain in the ass.

Kind of really sorry for forcing you, but I don't think your slot could really town it up.

It seems my first reads were right

[Rainn]

I don't think it's impossible for Dunn and Rhauz to not be town-aligned though. Kind of like a 3rd party but that doesn't hurt town in its wincon. It would also clue in about the game being bastard.

Through the game Rhaz has been pretty careful about 3rd parties and fishing for information, as if he hadn't much idea about what kind of field he is in, something that would be very understandable in a 3rd party in a game about lots of companies.

[Rainn]

Bambi, I don't think Rauth is the kind of player to claim masons with a buddy here, especially when their team should be of around 4 members. Unlikely imo.

[Rainn]

What I DO think that maybe it's possible, is that they aren't Rebel-aligned, but as long as they aren't Simotech, right now I don't want to look closer.

[Rainn]

Rauth, do you want to join my not-simotech block as well? I want to work more extensively with you. I'll not be forcing you to vote along, but I'll TRY to convince you to vote with me I guess.

[Rainn]

Bambi, are you arguing that Dunn isn't town here?

Because if you aren't, I don't see the point you're trying to make. scum!Rauth wouldn't mason claim with a town!Dunn.

[Rainn]

Arguing for Dunn alignment might be a better option right now than arguing for Rauth's.

Rauth alignments seems now dependent on Dunn's. If Dunn is town or at least not-simotech, so Rauth is.

[Rainn]

im just confused as to how a rauth scumslip turned into a kidammm wagon

like CC he can do his thing thats cool but why is everyone else is on board

redirecting noted?

[Rainn]

I'm going off of what I see, and it's better to keep the pressure on Rauth until Dunn gets here.

if Dunn denies it he is auto-lynched.

if Dunn acknowledge it, it means he is not-simotech as long as Dunn is.

I don't doubt Dunn is town right now, therefore...it's kind of wasting time/distracting to pressure Rauth right now.

[Rainn]

Sure. I personally think Sakura should be included in the 'town'-block as well.

Yeah but Sakura is already on it...I think.

I mean, I asked her to team up as magical girls so I think we're in a block...

right...??

[Rainn]

Rauth, what do you think of Primate, Cloud and Kiddamn?

[Rainn]

CK, when you're on hit me up, I've something good to ask you when you get here, but it needs to be in real-time interaction.

[Rainn]

I don't think Primate is town. I might be biased though, I was more then a little bit annoyed that they directly asked me what my alignment was in early-game.
I believe Cloud is town due to an interaction with Sakura.
KidAmn I'm not sure about. They apparently started the game with an upkeep, and I'm not sure what that means for their alignment. (And yeah, they would have either had to have started the game with the upkeep or have used a role during day 1 somehow for the upkeep to hit them night 1) I don't see anything else about them that makes me think they're town though.

Good, at the very least we agree that Primate doesn't look towny.

About Cloud, what interaction in specific made you town read them? Also, I would appreciate some insight in how you view that interaction.

[Rainn]

This is a wagon I won't be letting happen today :/

Uhh...I think I would have kind of noticed you guys were probably masons here...

maybe I should read the game before posting²

[Rainn]

Maybe it's something like...Primate/Cloiud/MariaR/Wheme.

That's more or less where I'm at right now at least.

[Rainn]

Maybe we should start up the party with this

VOTE: primate

[Rainn]

I do realize that he is pretty quick on his feet to vote primate out of nowhere, yes.

[Rainn]

I do also realize that Chemist in his catch-up, after supposedly reading 400 posts, only quoted one of primate's posts and that's kind of "huh".

[Rainn]

Actually it seems like we've some 80% chance of either Oversoul or Cloud being scum btw.

This is who was on the unwnd's wagon:

Dunnstral 802, Bambi Jay 877, PenguinPower 1278, Fred the Cat 1319, Rautherdir 1620, Almost50 1706, Celestial Coordinates 1816, Sakura Hana 1831, Cloudkicker 1834, unwnd 1841

All of those people have been "cleared" more or less for:

Dunn and Rauth as masons.

Bambi as 3rd party.

Penguim and A50 as..."he's a wasted lynch" (PR soft)

CC died.

Sakura...is pretty towny already imo.

Therefore the unique remaining person that gained serum yesterday and apparently had the power to turn anyone into a miller was....

Cloud?

By the way my scum read on him happened before I realized this.

[Rainn]

Oversoul, I want you to confirm with the mod wheter what happened to you can be an event or not.

if it's not possible I would like for you to take a stance on if what happened to you could be an event or not.

[Rainn]

Uh, I'm not taking the possibility of them both being scum out of the table bambi

I'm just saying that the chances that at least one of them is scum, is considerably high right now.

[Rainn]

The more I read CK mid-day 1 posts with the wagons going on, the more confident I become that he is simotech. Explanations later (soon).

[Rainn]

I think today is pretty much bound to be about Primate/Oversoul/Cloud as of now.

Maybe there's the logic of a fake soft claim but it doesn't look like that right now and we can leave sorting out those claims in the massclaim down on the road.

I would rather finish reading the game and hear from them before choosing which one to vote.

[Rainn]

I was scum with him fork and he was fairly lurky. This game he's a bit lurky too

but he's more useful

, and if you factor in lurkiness and just assume he's a lurky player it's not particularly objectionable. A scumread would be nice, coming in and saying that you think the two biggest wagons are town is a bit like something a scum would do, but it's only two reads, he could believe it.

Note that Chemist had...really not done anything worth of being called "useful".

Primate just can't give a straight answer to it and this commentary about such a hard lurker slot comes more likely from scum than town.

If I had to guess even more, I would say that it's scum!Primate that knows Chemist is town. But not sure.

[Rainn]

I wont flip since i have never been lynched as town

The problem is I don't think you're town at all but if you're...

maybe...

"We're about to end this whole man career".

Could've sworn I said earlier something about tempting fate...

I knew I could count on you.

[Rainn]

I haven't dismissed anyone or anything. Like I said, there are a lot of uncertain slots that could be scum.

But I'm confident that my lynch order kills enough of the scum early to give us enough serum to make the rest of the game easy.

Nah, my scum ability is to reset serum for everyone, since im 3rd in line thats, your above statement is untrue :/

Why did you start trolling and claiming scum?

Because Its entertaining, which is the reason why I play this game to begin with. RC being wrong w/ his ego bigger than my balls when kidamn’s gf is unavailable is entertaining, so pushing the situation is funny

I have always enjoyed making snide comments about your ego and you arent a saint either

About Gamma, I think I have been more wrong than correct on him with all the games we played, as either alignement. I feel like hes town but that read is always on hold considering my poor stats w/ him

About uwnd, im like ??? I already outed my reads on him, he had good posts I dont think comes from scum, yet shat the bed a few times, imo hes mediocre town read-wise which is basically everyone

Fred its w/e, I need more content and that is disregarding his activity meta

So no I don’t really think its solved

I don't dislike these posts.

[Rainn]

Page 60.

I do have a less negative view on CK but not really that much difference from my original one.

Before I could only see his posts coming more likely from scum than town.

Now he has some posts that maybe comes more likely from town to scum, but I'm not convinced.

It's not a simply matter of reads anymore though, the serum logic points out to either Cloud or Oversoul, although maybe there's a loophole we aren't paying attention to.

[Rainn]

Actually it seems like we've some 80% chance of either Oversoul or Cloud being scum btw.

This is who was on the unwnd's wagon:

Dunnstral 802, Bambi Jay 877, PenguinPower 1278, Fred the Cat 1319, Rautherdir 1620, Almost50 1706, Celestial Coordinates 1816, Sakura Hana 1831, Cloudkicker 1834, unwnd 1841

All of those people have been "cleared" more or less for:

Dunn and Rauth as masons.

Bambi as 3rd party.

Penguim and A50 as..."he's a wasted lynch" (PR soft)

CC died.

Sakura...is pretty towny already imo.

Therefore the unique remaining person that gained serum yesterday and apparently had the power to turn anyone into a miller was....

Cloud?

By the way my scum read on him happened before I realized this.

You obviously dont read the game do you, i have been townreading and pretty much refusing to vote uwnd until he was pretty much the confirmed lynch. My vote had no effect on the lynch choice, it only gave me serum. Guess what, i prefer to have serum than give it to someone else

YOU are the one NOT reading.

In that post I was discussing how it's mechanically blaming that you are possibly the unique person to have had targeted Oversoul (if he isn't lying). That has nothing to do with unwnd and the fact you just jump straight to a no-context defense doesn't look good on you.

[Rainn]

Also tanaka or w/e, you did imply my vote is a bus, do you know how a bus is correctly made poor boi?
Do you have a clue about S vs T interactions?

Primate has not even since even considered that I could be scum leaning on them, do you know why tanaka?

It's not necessarily a bus, you can just be scum and him town, or the reverse.

Pretty interesting though that you're so sure he is scum to the point of saying that this is a "S v T" interaction already. Up until the point I've read, you didn't talk much about primate, but I'll keep reading, I suppose later you say something about him.

[Rainn]

Also, i have never been lynched as town and never will be, i don’t think you understand the extent i can go when i want to, even grudging weaboos like you who want to fos me out of spite ends up admitting they were biased

Uhh..I'm not really biased.

"grudging weaboos"...

that's quite the term.

[Rainn]

I'm trying to find anything to clear Cloud off but I'm not particularly seeing it. All I can see is someone with a very stubborn personality that could easily be scum

[Rainn]

Huh?

My scum read on him is completely independent of that Sakura. I even said so before.

The rationale about him being the unique person to have serum under no unknown events is just to convince most of you (with a good reason) to join me.

I'm not particularly going for Cloud right now though, I think Primate is worse right now.

[Rainn]

@Cloud what is your epicmafia username and do you have any other accounts on mafiascum aside from this one and Joey_?

[Rainn]

I'll probably prod dodge here until Saturday or Sunday, that it's when I'll have plenty of time to give a final answer on this and do some research.

see you.

[Rainn]

UNVOTE:

Consider me still on Primate but I don't want any lynches happening before Sunday so I'm out of the fun for now

[Rainn]

prod dodging

quite interesting the fact that a lot of people scum read primate but didn't push him too much, but rather did quickly wagon wheme. I'm beginning to think that at the very least these two aren't from the same alignment.

@tanaka
I am expecting that you use the info I gave you and gimme some content to crunch on, otherwise I will assume it wasnt genuine

I'm busy irl, and I'm not particularly that interested in this game. If I do have spare time and energy, I'll use it.

[Rainn]

I'm busy irl, and I'm not particularly that interested in this game. If I do have spare time and energy, I'll use it.

damn, i was hoping you'd be efforting this game.

I'm efforting, but if I gonna do serious meta stuff, it's probably going to make me spend around 8 hours. I had a game where I did meta on most people. The results were pretty good but I was completely spent afterwards.

Then like...I'm efforting, but asking me to do serious meta work is on kind of a next level thing. I asked him because if I ever get interested on it, it's going to be faster/easier/more motivational to already know what to search for.

[Rainn]

I think I'm going to read the rest of this game right now. I want my Sunday clear off bothersome tasks.

[Rainn]

Hmmm, just by reading 4 Wheme's games and thinking about the 60 pages I've already read, I think I have a good grasp of the game. I can be wrong but don't think so.

I'll still read the other 40 pages though.

[Rainn]

I would like to keep up the suspense for a bit more wheme.

Aside from that I thought your old Magnemite avatar was cooler.

[Rainn]

Wheme, by the way, do you think you have ever played a game similarly to this one?

[Rainn]

Wheme, you really didn't try in this game, did you?

[Rainn]

Then congratulations gamma, you cannot read

VOTE: primate textbook scumpost

I want to note that this is the post that CK does when the whole game seems against him.

Before this post, there isn't a SINGLE POST of Cloud talking about primate being scummy or shit.

In his d1 readlist, primate isn't even in the "scummy section", it's in the "null" section.

Cloud is basically swinging and floating around, changing almost all his read on the go, and "overthinking" so much his scum reads that it barely really is a focused push on them. He's also over aggressive even about silly details.

I'm not sure what the hell he does in the next pages to make you guys town read him instead.

[Rainn]

I didn’t find Primate scummy when i blitzed through the thread yesterday. Why are you so sure he is scum?

d1 i was swingy the read; some of his posts were scummy and null. I think i had tagged him as town at some point but it disappeared once i iso'd them.

If you read him, he actually has no content at all ever and his stances are all opportunistic and coasty.

He did say he townread me or found no reason to scumread me d1, yet he never showed up when i was under duress. Today i got instantly voted and shaded, yet he didn't say anything related to his read on my case. His d2 entry post is the most scummy post on the whole thread and its pretty frequent that scum sometimes have a good vive tone-wise for 1 day, then just mess up when its a new day (been there, done that). Plus, his tone and the words he uses, idk. Im a tone reader, tone says mefia to me today. Content says mefia too

this is just BS justifications

you're making this read on the fly, and I think it's likely a buss.

Not sure though, primate kind of always wear a poker face in his posts. I can't read between the lines there at all.

[Rainn]

I just find it odd that you’re so latched onto Primate for being coasty/opportunistic when people like Fred the Cat, Almost50, Chemist, Penguin, MariaR, And Raur all meet that criteria in my opinion.

The Last Sane Man?

That read came out of nowhere.

[Rainn]

I mean the amount of energy you’ve put into Primate is way more than those others you think are being coasty and opportunistic. Which might be due to primacy/recency since he is here and active. Hmm. I think you can be town.

You town read both Penguin and Chemist? Why? I hate both of those slots.

I think this deserves some town points if CK and Primate are scum together tbh.

Not sure though, but it might be.

[Rainn]

Fred the cat fucked this game up I think

I didn't think you would scum claim so boldly

[Rainn]

man i want to flip bambi fucking hard

> People start voting his super scum read "Primate" (like, 5 or so posts before this)
> Primate didn't say anything about the wagon yet
> He already tries to change focus again

seriously...

[Rainn]

Fred the cat fucked this game up I think

I didn't think you would scum claim so boldly

Okay talk about this
I also like what you point out against Cloudy

Wheme is kind of like the guy that gives up when the situation is so bad, I thought we had some very very minimal chance of him actually scum claiming when I throw a softball at him. As of now I'm kind of like 85% sure that he flips red but it didn't cost me anything to try to get it to 100%.

About Cloud...well, it's right there. I have a bit more to talk about it though, I'm just reading the last pages and figuring how to put forward my lynch pool.

[Rainn]

Ok, I finished it up. Here's my opinions:

If Wheme flips scum, Gamma is town.

If both Cloud and Primate flips scum, Oversoul is very weakly more likely town than not. (otherwise no)

If only Cloud flips scum and Primate not, while Cloud's role isn't about millerizing people, Oversoul is very likely scum.

Cloud in my pov is pretty much scum regardless of anything.
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Lynching order:

I think scum are probably all inside: Wheme/Cloud/Primate/Oversoul/MariaR

If there is scum out of that pool, I think my lynching order would be something like: Chemist > Kiddamn , as long as Wheme flips scum. I'm not considering PP/A50 here for now but after the massclaim I recommend to give them a bit of thought if all scum aren't in that original pool.

If Wheme isn't scum, I don't have a town read on Gamma tbh.

I'll explain more about each slot, and why this pool/order/conclusions from now on. Not sure if everything is going to be posted today.

[Rainn]

@Kiddamn I would like you to vote anyone with no votes (it can be me as long as it's not serious) just to confirm that you actually can't vote.

[Rainn]

By the way, I'm considering there to be a 4-man scum team here.

[Rainn]

I would also like for people to not put Wheme on L-1. Actually, a single person unvoting him for a little bit would be nice, just to make sure that there is no self-hammer.

[Rainn]

I'll start by Wheme.

I've read 4 games from Wheme's history. In three of them he was scum (he actually have roll scum quite a lot recently), and in the newbie one he was town.

If I had to sum up his playstyle, it would be, straightforward, casual and simple. As town, as long as he is trying, he genuinely tries to gamesolve and understand the motivations behind other players posts, while as scum, he tries to *appear* as gamesolvy, putting forward reads but giving less attention to details of how he came to those. He is also a bit more confident on giving people "absolute reads" as scum, which doesn't change much over the time (as long as the tables don't turn against these players). He also fools around more as scum I would say, or rather, he fools around trying to pass it off as activity. It's not like he doesn't do that as town, but he does more that as scum I think, because after all he isn't interested in engaging a game where he already knows everything.

Notice that here for example, he focuses on calling RC scum/gawking him mindlessly for quite a bit, while throwing around explanationless/thoughtless reads to pass it off as him "gamesolving".

Another habit he has as scum is testing out waters. I've at least two examples (that i'm a bit too lazy to link right now), of scum!Wheme saying "can someone explain this to me", "can someone explain Z's vote (Z being his scumpartner)", "shouldn't we be voting X (scum partner) because of Y?". Although he can buss, he isn't that interested in pushing them for real, although he may suggest them sometimes or deathtunnel them if the tables are already against his partner(s) (In what I think was the Upick game, he defended mastina with posts like "why are we voting mastina again" until...mastina was ~kind of ~ outtedwolf by her claim, and from this point onward he deathtunneled her).

Well, here are some similar posts of him here:

Why are ppl voting primate again

Rc do you townread cloudkicker

Rc wanna vote cloud with me

Therefore, I scum read Primate/Cloud/Wheme individually, but I do think that there's some awful interactions between them.

I'm getting a bit of a cold feet about Primate being in the team though, but not enough to change my mind.

He does this here with...primate

[Rainn]

I looked at some other games and whemestar could be scum meta-wise. I just find it weird that a scum would pick an uneeded fight with RC d1.

@wheme: do you have a history that could justify this as scum?

VOTE: rainn

scum!Wheme actually loves to pick a fight with a read, constantly calling them scum, to appear as if he is doing something when he is really not

[Rainn]

Oh right, there is also this post of Wheme about Oversoul that seems like the lowkey defenses he likes to do for his scumbuddies:

Why would oversoul scum claim role early on?

It's not really worth much thought though, it can just be a random thing he wanted to say to look gamesolvy.

I mean, if he isn't town and we are all wrong.

[Rainn]

Cloud I already have said a lot so I'll make it simpler.

Everytime he has a scum read, he suddenly pushes them aggressively but not long after he starts grapping as straws to town lean them or his focus get completely redirected because of someone's posts to which he reacts more aggressively than necessary, always using buzzwords like "obvious", "100%/200%/300%", "fucking" and etc which is something that scum commonly uses to give more impact to their posts (even I do it, although i'm aware of the "tell").

He also always have the mindset of "showing" town his "towny" thought-process more than actually engaging the person.

Here are some examples of the above points/arguments:

I read a few recent games of detective as both alignement

and my confidence on her slot flipping scum decreased significantly
VOTE: primate

I particularly highlighted this post because I think I was wrong earlier, since he does go for primate before begin of D2. However, he doesn't really talk about the slot that much, he just votes it.

Anyway, my point here is that he particularly says "I read some of his games" even though the game is just starting and he doesn't seem like a meta player at all (I mean, I don't remember him searching for other players meta afterwards, especially his main scum reads). It seems more of a post to say "look how town i'm, reading other players games". He has a few posts like this, another example being him constantly mentioning people with "@" only to ask...really dull questions imo. I know it's something that town does, but like, scum just love to do that, and his seem rather pointless.

[Rainn]

I think gamma is closer to correct than you afe

Well, it seems you're still worth a vote then anyway?

[Rainn]

My Primate read is like...bad associatives and completely lack of anything I could find genuine/town aside from...more interactions with the people I scum read. I'm getting a bit of cold feet here though.

My MariaR and Oversoul read is similar, and although it seems not convincing, I think trying to find scum by lynching people you think are less town than others, is often a more realistic and effective method than always trying to "gotcha scum" with arguments/tone reads or whatsoever.

[Rainn]

Anyway don't forget PP/A50. PP can be clever scum tbh.

I think that's all from me. I've done enough gamesolving effort for this game I imagine. Then like...

Let's lynch in Wheme/Cloud/Primate/MariaR/Oversoul, and if something go wrong I'll go for Chemist > PP/Kiddamn, in this order although i'm swingy on the PP read.

[Rainn]

VOTE: Wheme

[Rainn]

Wheme...you've been lurking.

Rather, I would say that your scum style is "semi-active lurker". You aren't a complete lurker like Chemist, you sometimes show up in the thread to say something kind of vague/trivia and disappears again.

I don't think you're the hardlurker type at all, regardless of your alignment. (you do lurk though)

[Rainn]

My scumgame is pretty simple I’m not that complex

I don’t like faking reads so I usually bus my teammates because I know they’re scum

Gamma was deathtunneling you in Large Normal 213 and you were like "can someone explain gamma vote on me?".

obs: gamma was your scumbuddy.

Mastina was being voted in the Upick. First thing you said was "why are people voting mastina again".

I think this is false, regardless of your alignment.

You do buss eventually, but I would say you're not that much of a hard busser at all. There are people that buss way more often than you.

Actually, I don't remember exactly who, but I think there was a player that basically bussed all of his teammates. Literally all.

That is someone that buss.

[Rainn]

A50, I just wanted to say everything I had to.

In my original idea I would also make lenghty posts about MariaR, Oversoul and Primate, but I just got tired and understood that these slots had quite a bit of gut to it, and explaining that would be too troublesome.

I just hope I'm right at least half of what I said, because if I'm not, that's also troublesome.

[Rainn]

You can claim but if it isn't some confirmable town power role I would rather have you self-hammer because a power role isn't going to change my mind on you.

[Rainn]

Wheme, I also just hope you're scum because if you're I can take Gamma off the table and town read him...

so..flip red if possible?

[Rainn]

Are you loyal?

[Rainn]

I mean, do your PT has any function other than...being a PT?

[Rainn]

Yeah, I don't think that the claim changes a lot.

I would rather have CK lynched today but I gotta compromise, so I'm off.

I'm mostly done with D2. I'm fine with either a Wheme or a CK flip.

[Rainn]

Okay do we want to end day now or do we want to wait

Waiting might be the rational action since someone can change their mind about you (doubtfully though) but I just really want to check if you're scum or not so I would also be happy with a self hammer

[Rainn]

I'm here staring at my screen, playing a 4d chess mind game of

"Would scum!Wheme self hammer themselves here or not?"

But I don't think I know enough about you to answer that

[Rainn]

Wheme, you could always vote CK like you were doing before.

If you can get some force behind that I'm willing to switch over.

[Rainn]

ahh...

this is some messy multiball, isn't it?

I really should have read if the game was bastard or not, but I never thought that a 19p large theme could be bastard at all...

[Rainn]

I never thought that a 19p large theme could be bastard at all...

Actually what is this

I thought large games were usually...not bastard

I had never seen a flavorful, large 19p bastard game.

The closest I've seen is some bastard games with really bastard mechanics that ended at most after 2 or 3 days.

This is a more thoughtful game than that though, therefore I didn't expect it to be bastard

Yeah that's a stupid assumption. Even micro can be bastard, lol.

Micros being bastard isn't that rare imo

[Rainn]

Ok, I'll remove Rainn from the list although I do TR him, and had TR'd Kat too. So 4 players but 3 to request the claim still.

why remove me...?

[Rainn]

This is giving me headaches...

I'm not into thinking hard these days.

I think regardless of anything we should still lynch CK though.

[Rainn]

If PP goal was to survive why fake a inno on A50 though...

[Rainn]

Ok, I'll remove Rainn from the list although I do TR him, and had TR'd Kat too. So 4 players but 3 to request the claim still.

why remove me...?

Are you even interested in me full claiming anyway?

Yeah, I think I would rather understand what is going on here than anything else

[Rainn]

@mod what do you mean by "no cults". What is strictly speaking considered a cult to you?

[Rainn]

If Aeon objective is to outnumber Rebels, this either means that either:

1# they can change players alignments

or

2# that they already have quite a number of people and therefore simply have to mislynch rebels.

If it's #2, this probably means that there is no simotech in-game, what would make oversoul claim sketchy.

But with the game being bastard and etc, I don't think that simotech is a complete red herring. I think the bastard thing might have to do with alignment changing roles/abilities.

[Rainn]

Also if an alignment changed the alignment of a player to theirs via action, and that alignment needs to outnumber the town, that is strictly a cult.

I think there is a leeway if:

#1 You can joint wins with another faction (simotech) since you only need to outnumber the rebels, not anyone else

#2 When you get "recruited", you don't know your partners

[Rainn]

A50, I think you should just claim. This is getting more confusing than it needs to be

[Rainn]

Scum would have targeted either PP because they thought he was cop, or one of the masons. Maybe just maybe Sakura. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

Therefore, if penguim wasn't the scum nightkill, there should be a protective that saved either Rhaz or Dunn.

Honestly, I think scum team would always gun for Dunn here.

should we massclaim...?

[Rainn]

That PP kill really looks like scum nightkill on a possible cop to be honest.

[Rainn]

and why are you saying that PP possibly targeted you tonight for the kill?

Or you aren't saying that a50?

[Rainn]

I'm really confused right now because A50 just softed stuff he shouldn't know about I think

[Rainn]

I mean, ofc maybe he is simply what it appears he is but his slot is really scummy right now and I'm kind of ???

I don't want him to claim yet though

[Rainn]

I just want to lynch Cloud tbh

VOTE: Cloud

I think A50 at the very least didn't start the game being scum. I don't think he is Simotech at all.

[Rainn]

Sakura, I can compromisse on sending OS today and Cloud tomorrow regardless of what they flip.

[Rainn]

If A50 was Simotech, I think he would clue in about PP softing inno at him. A50 is a smart guy I think.

Then yeah, Aeon messing up other people abilities makes sense a bit, since they are all about reforming humanity and whatnot. Not sure if A50 is already converted or not though.

[Rainn]

Hmm...I'm about to make a silly guess at what this might be about:

It's said that Aeon is helping simotech by creating stuff, robots for them and whatnot, right?

What if Aeon does turn people into simotech (robots), and simotech tries to get ride of the rebels?

I don't particularly think that this is the case, but it would be quite a interesting concept.

[Rainn]

Actually...

Aeon helping Simotech some way really seems fitting flavor-wise, explain the alignment changes without it being cult .

Maybe there's some other gimmick to it though

[Rainn]

Yo Bambi

just read the flavour and it seems we're serum addicts and people might die if they run out of it.

Not fun because I think this is exactly the event that you'll trigger.

[Rainn]

I don't necessarily think that being converted by Aeon would make you lose your role.

They are perfecting humanity, right?

That means instead of getting rid of your previous role, you would gain new abilities as well. At least that's what deduction points at.

I don't think you were originally simotech though A50, so you are either town or got converted to being scum.

[Rainn]

Oh, that was mentioned? I should mention then, that my event will randomly choose to kill one of the people with the least serum. The less Serum you got the more "draws" you get put into it.

Actually I like this event

because from now on I want us to control who gets serum in order to make the scummiest slots die later on?

[Rainn]

the upkeep is deducted AFTER everything else has resolved

I paid no upkeep yet. I activated last night so I start paying upkeep tonight, and it resolves

after

my activation, so 3-3 = 0 i.e. can't pay upkeep - voteless (Kidamn was voteless on D2). I have no idea where this "people will die when they run out of serum" comes from though.

"There is more. It was designed as a military tool to create super soldiers. It enhances strength, numbs pain and has several other effects. By the time we shut down everHope, it was almost fully functioning."

"Almost?"

"They weren't able to modify the horrible side effects of abstention. It's highly addictive, but once one no longer takes it, obsession and insanity are what follows. The last reported test subject died biting through his wrists.
The worst part is that they chose not to research any further, and released it like that.
Mrs. Coleman, this is the new drugs that people are using everywhere. If we find Simotech and stop the production... I'm not sure we want to see that."

I think this was the hint to later on people dying because of serum.

Bambi, one last question:

Do your role make the game run out of serum or at least diminish it?

[Rainn]

Oh, that was mentioned? I should mention then, that my event will randomly choose to kill one of the people with the least serum. The less Serum you got the more "draws" you get put into it.

Actually I like this event

because from now on I want us to control who gets serum in order to make the scummiest slots die later on?

To be clear, I only said it now since I know I'm garunteed a Bodyguard from my pal, and I got serum despite not being on the wagon yesterday.

Also, still feck you all for that btw.

You weren't on the wagon yesterday...?

I really thought you were

[Rainn]

Ohhhh

Bambi, you're actually from the Johnson and Family company aren't you

[Rainn]

According to flavor the Johnson and Family company is helping simotech (and being paid for it) to build a huge building for them, and when the work is done, they plan to get the hell out of this "war".

Apparently, there's only two people in this company as well.

Then...yeah?

[Rainn]

How the hell did you figure that out?

this makes me think I got it wrong tbh

anyway I was just reading the flavor and trying to fit in the setup (if I'm correct about you, that is)

[Rainn]

Yeah, Simotech definitely exists I think.

I think the reason this game is bastard is not due to Zaph wanting to troll the playerlist but because some mechanics here are way too "bastard" to try to fit it in a normal game.

He is even dedicated to giving hints through the flavor (I think so at least).

This is definitely multiball in my opinion.

And I don't think that Aeon have the nightkill ability at all.

[Rainn]

Aeon factional ability is most definitely connected to helping directly or indirectly Simotech, and therefore being about diminishing either directly or indirectly the number of Rebels

I think it's kind of like those two, like the flavor said, are in a "partnership".

I think they should be able to joint-win but...i'm not sure that they are made to ALWAYS win together.

[Rainn]

So yeah Iustitia I literally know nothing about it. What does the flavor say on them, Rainn?

I think they literally aren't even in this game tbh

but it seems they were something about revenge. Something about the past game (which I didn't read).

[Rainn]

Yeah like, IUSTITIA maybe did split up in the "rebels" factions/companies we have now

I thought of something like that, but I'm not sure

[Rainn]

It's a shame i'm not your partner though bambi

the johnson family flavor really fits you and I think it would fit me a bit too

who cares about wars and global domination anyway

[Rainn]

If I knew what made PP die, I think I would be able to figure out this setup.

Right now though I'm very divided between possibilities due to not knowing the cause.

Simotech pretty much is guaranteed to have the nightkill though I think.

[Rainn]

Hey Rainn, wanna bet and see if I got more secrets? Since you figured it out, I'll ler you choose.

What do you mean specifically mean? I mean, this can have at least three different interpretations.

Do you mean you want me to try to figure out if you've something more in your sleeves?

[Rainn]

That's what is tricky A50.

It really fits the flavor if Aeon creates "killing machines" that will eventually destroy us (I mean, it's their flavor goal), and I suppose that these machines need to be Simotech-aligned, since if not, it would either be a cult if they are Aeon-aligned as well (not allowed) or a fourth non-town alignment (kind of too messy to be true).

If that is the case though, it's kind of messy for Aeon themselves to win if Simotech can end up killing them as well. Unless simotech knows who Aeon is, but wouldn't that be kind of shaddy mod-design as well?

Unless Simotech currently knows that Aeon is producing machines for them and therefore had a incentive to not out them/kill them.

I think I'm really guessing too much though, and if I'm wrong it's a bit dangerous to assume so much.

[Rainn]

Hey Rainn, wanna bet and see if I got more secrets? Since you figured it out, I'll ler you choose.

What do you mean specifically mean? I mean, this can have at least three different interpretations.

Do you mean you want me to try to figure out if you've something more in your sleeves?

Yeah tbh. I was waiting on the Johnson thing to go "surprise mothafucka" but you ruined it. Granted, I did hint it through my wincon but still.

Hmmm

That serum you received though

it was given by scum right

[Rainn]

Sakura got the secret serum, not me. All I got was the +2 Serum we all got.

I thought you claimed to have received it but I guess I was wrong

*sigh*

Anyway, I at least am confident that Aeon is kind of helping Simotech with their factional abilitiy, but I'm not sure if Aeon themselves needs to hide from simotech nightkills as well or not. I don't think that Aeon can change people alignment in 1 turn either tbh.

I think lynching my scum reads until a massclaim sounds good for now and I want to lynch Cloud it's been ages.

VOTE: cloud

voting agian for emphasis.

[Rainn]

I scum read Cloud since d2 A50

in my ISO I've my case on them

essentially I don't see any of the stuff he has done as town, and I think some of his reactions are overblown and scummy.

I can go for Oversoul but Claude don't particularly smell good or bad. Not really a great first scum lynch imo.

[Rainn]

Honestly, I used all my free time on this and I'm not happy on how far I was able to make head or tails of it.

See you next week.

[Rainn]

Instead of rushing the day and voting people up, maybe yall fucker should take a seat and let the town confirmed slot talk. The wagon mechanics in this game w/ serum incites people to sheep the closer it is to the lynch.

Also, rain, get off my dick. Your case is comf bias, shallow and wrong. Sakura changing her mind on my slot when i praticaly vomitted my role d1 just to make a point across. It is very OBVIOUS that I am town and what my role is.

You basically claimed the sample role. Fuck off with the "my claim is towny".

Also I've no idea what you mean by "town confirmed slot talk"

[Rainn]

Sakura changing her mind on my slot when i praticaly vomitted my role d1 just to make a point across.

I mean so did i.
BUT it's the sample role PM.

Everything I did from A to Z at unwd claim was Pro town af. I pointed out the sample role and I even sliped my pov once too many times.

Why do you even play forum mafia when you are second guessing my slot from your pov? Its beyond me that you cant appreciate how the way i played makes 0 sens as anything mafia, it is not even fakeable

No it wasn't pro town

You kept saying "unwind is town lol" but never really defended the slot. Do you even know how to...defend town reads? Because that's something town does and scum doesn't.

Surprise

You didn't stop his lynch neither REALLY tried.

PS: You're again using buzzwords like it's *obvious* you're town, which is something very very shaddy and if you were town I would recommend you to never do this.

[Rainn]

Nor why you are so sure i am town.

Then you started to notice that he has too many 100% town reads for flimsy reasons?

good.

[Rainn]

His answer wasn't very good, did RP claim a company

I think I can beat the game that RP isn't Simotech tbh.

The way he just began to list people that were or weren't in companies as if he was up to something, is an action that scum very very likely DON'T do.

PS: Cloud this is what you're supposed to do when you town read people so confidently: you engage people scum reading them and try to stop their lynch.

When RC wanted to lynch unwind, all you did was to public discourse that you did find unwind towny. As if showing to other people that you town read unwind was more important than actually preventing what you were confident that it was a mislynch.

[Rainn]

I think whether RP is simotech or not isnt the issue, is whether he's Aeon or not.

I don't really care to Aeon right now tbh

I want a simotech lynch because I don't think Aeon is that much of a threat to us

I think we can even win while Aeon is still alive.

RP lynch isn't in my interest.

[Rainn]

I think we can even win while Aeon is still alive.

How when aeon needs to outnumber us to win?

I think Simotech wincon is "to stop the rebellion from happening"

and Aeon one is "to outnumber rebels"

and ours ofc is to eliminate all threat to the rebellion.

The Aeon flavor even says "We're not the demons you're looking for, we just want a better future".

I don't think that lynching Aeon does anything other than prevent they from outnumbering us, what is likely not worth it in day 3 with so many people still alive.

[Rainn]

CD/OS on the other hand might be simotech and a simotech lynch here would put LOTS of info on the table.

Mainly their win con and if they can or not always joint win with Aeon.

Then...let's lynch Cloud?

[Rainn]

We havent had the bodycount to really support a true multiball anyway.

If Aeon is nightkilling people, how come PP is the only one dead

[Rainn]

I thought Aeon was on Simotech's side?

They are.

But us winning might be unrelated to them.

As the flavor says, our main enemy is simotech imo.

[Rainn]

Like i'd literally lynch everyone except the masons over cloud atp.

yo.

Actually probably not over Rainn.

oh ok

[Rainn]

VOTE: primate

Here it comes again.

CK hard 1v1 someone and say they are obvscum but proceed to vote/push somewhere else suddenly.

[Rainn]

sorry.

Rainn

Hes town, a

weaboo

and most likely grudging.

hey, i'm not a complete weaboo, i play with the knight class instead of the samurai one.

He mentioned a tell that I also am aware of and I know I have been fosed in the past for it and has been using it with decent success in the past. Hes just basically lost read wise and thinks im the big bad for very very weak stuff.

Redpanda is not simotech
A50 isn't simotech imo
Rauth/Dunn are probably not simotech
Sakura isn't simotech
You're the sole alive person that could have messed up with oversoul role if that is ever true
You've been showing very averagely accurate scum tells and here you even acknowledged it yourself

Mechanically speaking, most of the people is already out of the table. From the rest of it, I think you're the most likely scum and i'm nowhere lost read-wise.

His tunnel could come from scum since hes being extremely dense, but hey, some of his content is above average

I'm actually a dense person but that's beside the game.

[Rainn]

Actually that one bastard game where we lynched the mod backfired badly
VOTE: fish

some of your posts like this are kind of really irking me but i'll put it in the "she is kind of lost in the game and therefore is fooling around a bit" bank.

[Rainn]

Honestly tho, i could lynch CK too atp.

what happened to this brilliant idea sakura

[Rainn]

His argument is that coz we had the same role PM which is the same as the sample role PM with an extra word

What do you mean by extra word?

as far as I know, the BP ability is mentioned in the sample role.

[Rainn]

Wheme was starting to towntell pretty heavily and the wagon did speed up, in about an evening he got the 2nd half of his votes and not a single one of you unvoted just to 2nd that maybe, just maybe wheme was a town lynch bait. Thats why i said that MAYBE yall should stop wagonning people too hard and let Dun/Raut lead a bit, especially votes wise

This is BULLSHIT. He tries to be manipulative like this every goddamn time.

Cloud, here is what Ctrl+F the "Wheme" word shows in your recent ISO:

I also feel less and less inclined to buy wheme shit plays as town

I have been on a computer for the past 10 days (am playing on cellphone data) so it’s not the most fun experience for me to read and produce content.

I somewhat satisfied with the wheme wagon VOTE: whyme

Can Cloud like...just get lynched already?

You can't be more manipulative than him being neurotic and constantly making things up. If this is town him all I would have to say is to stop trying to "outsmart" town with petty lies because that's scum job and scum meta.

Town towntell by being sincere.

[Rainn]

I made a reads list yesterday, twice even.

Yes you, I did, RP did and Gamma did. Its also a 19p game and 4 slots have virtually NO content and yall are pushing on someone who harddefended a VT claim d1 and has the most posts so far, also only rain has a case and it can be summarized to him thinking im mefia for using strong words like fucking/obvious/blablabla. I also am aware of the tell but in comparison, I am also aware that it is not enough.

He has dismissed ALL the content I did and try to pin the way I talk and react as scum indivative, when its just me being genuine and transparent, like i said i would be

The votes are shits, the cases are shits, theres no direction

you hard defended them so much that they were lynched really early on in the day and also you voted them and suggested them to self-hammer.

nice job man.

like.

wow.

[Rainn]

**Fixing

Ok, I had quoted it wrong. Here is the specific part:

who harddefended a VT claim d1 and has the most posts so far

you hard defended them (unwind) so much that they were lynched really early on in the day and also you voted them and suggested them to self-hammer.

nice job man.

like.

wow.

[Rainn]

UNVOTE: i will unvote for the sake of what i explained earlier and how voting left and right is bad for town

I would like Dun/Raut to make a good 2-3 cases on their biggest scumread, then we push the claims, reads and then vote

"look at me i'm such a town guy by making a public discourse about leaving the masons to decide the lynches when i already know they town read me so it's all smooth as butter"

Have you ever tried being more genuinely town and like...having opinions about who is scum or not?

This just doesn't make sense if you're really aggressive as you post as. People with your *supposedly* personality just don't say "oh well choose anything for me" like that so easily.

everything about this post is LAMIST and it makes zero sense from a townie that are confident in themselves/their reads.

[Rainn]

Wait...

@Mod: Is the alignment Aeon Technologies classified as a threat to the Rebels?

I cannot answer this question.

@mod what do you mean by "no cults". What is strictly speaking considered a cult to you?

A cult is a third party faction that seeks to recruit players into itself, as the MafiaWiki says. I follow this definition.

Hmmm

is "third part faction" replaceable with "anti-town faction"?

because if not...

[Rainn]

At this point I really thought I was the nk and I was trying to claim aeon traitor to get him to move it to someone else.

BUT HOW DID YOU KNOW AEON WAS SCUM

lolol


Keep on trying saki/panda Aeon team

Scummy posting

Why dont you quote how you knew aeon was teh baddies again for us

Scummy posting again?

[Rainn]

Isnt cult by definition also anti-town?

Yes but Simotech isn't a third party therefore if it's not against any "anti-town faction", it would literally mean that as long as it's the mafia, they are able to recruit players somewhat because they aren't *third party*

I think it's most likely Zaph was unaware of this semantic play though. It would be really shaddy to say "there's no cults" only to some kind of mafia be able to essentially be a cult.

[Rainn]

If you cared to meta me like you said you would, you would notice your tell doesnt apply on me (and my profile as a player)

I never said I would meta you for sure, I already explained this.

If anything, I projected my role d1 at uwnd lynch, even you should be able to see this. Not everything is faked in a game pf mefia you know

First it's about you hard defending him d1 and now it's about you "projected your role on him"?

Sorry, they aren't really the same thing. You didn't really stop the unwind wagon even a little bit with your posts and now that interaction is being used solely for you to say you're conftown.

I don't see anything worth town reading here tbh.

[Rainn]

CD/OS on the other hand might be simotech and a simotech lynch here would put LOTS of info on the table.

Mainly their win con and if they can or not always joint win with Aeon.

Then...let's lynch Cloud?

Why CK over OS?

I think if CK is scum he has way better odds of endgaming this than OS, therefore him going first while I'm here sounds better for me.

CK is also more scummy from play imo but OS is actually scummier mechanically though.

[Rainn]

Cloud you even said chemist was town in one of your posts in d1

you also said earlier on that wheme was town for ??? reasons.

you just give out free town reads and if we mislynch it you claim "lol i said we shouldn't do it"

there has been two lynches and you did it on both. You constantly claim to have hard defended unwind in d1 when that isn't genuine (at most you posted things like "I think he is town") and you claimed to have suggested Wheme was town lynchbaity when you never did it at all.

[Rainn]

I can't give a 100% guarantee that you flip scum CK, but I can and I'm giving factually points that show you being not genuine and trying to be manipulative.

If you're town here I don't think you can in post-game ever deny the fact that you're basically HEAVILY trying to manipulate people into town reading even when you weren't pro-town, and that this is like...scum job. and scum meta.

That's all I have to say to you if you're ever town here, (which I don't think it's likely at all).

Your town meta would be essentially...being scum. By:
1. doing lots of posts that aren't really useful/don't say much, just so you can claim you have "lots of posts".
2. appealing to LAMIST public discourses.
3. Be over-the-top with remarks like "i'm obvtown and you're bad for not seeing it" when you don't really have that much going on for you
4. Try to paint your actions as super pro-town when they aren't. Focusing on your image instead of lynching scum/preventing town mislynches.

Then yeah, I'm going to keep you forever in my lynch list I imagine. Not impossible to change but very very hard.

This isn't bias.

[Rainn]

Like, in the Wheme thing you just straight lied.

There's no other way around it.

You just lied to look good and avoid responsibility/damaging your image for...a wagon you were "satisfied" with.

Is there anything more scummy than that in the main thread besides mechanics talk in a bastard weird-flavor game?

I don't think so.

[Rainn]

Right now I'll make it clear what CK is trying to do regardless of alignment:

he is trying to glue the word "conf biased" for my read on him when I actually have...reasons.

Look in his ISO. Every time he tries to engage with me, he disregards it with "IT'S CONF BIAS".

It's like, elementary school manipulation tactics and the surprising part is that it actually works and it's even used in politics IRL.

Let's not talk about politics though

[Rainn]

d2, why do you put this lynch on my ass? I was like 4-5th vote and I was at work all evening, i saw the flip when i finished my shift at 23h something and was upset, i even sent a rage PM to the mod because the quick hammer should never have happened, never. My 4-5th vote was to make emphasis on scum's intent to have wheme produce content or claim, my vote wasn't to lynch him right then and there. Wheme did produce content and I would've unvoted, no one did and a bunch of scum votes finished the wagon in like a few hours.

Like...

you basically backpedal here.

First you claim to have suggested for the wheme wagon to not happen.

Now you claim to haven't made it in time to the thread to "save" wheme.

lol.

Ofc you also finish with your favorite line "it's conf bias".

I think pisskpop slot has good odds of being scum but your slot is just a priority here.

The ingenuity baffles me.

[Rainn]

I think Fish/Oversoul/Cloud needs to have scum in it. I really want Cloud though.

[Rainn]

2. LAMIST is considering scummy on this site. What makes it scum indicative? What do you think is my motive by trying to be townread? Don't you think that motive could also come from town?

LAMIST means "look at me I'm so town".

It's different than town genuinely trying to be town read (look at distressed-me in d2 trying to town tell but also being sincere or at least as sincere as possible on it).

You don't try to look town by being genuine, sincere or explaining thoughtful reads.

Yo do it by hyper posting over-the-top posts in engaged talks that you quickly leave in the dust (you did all that talk about fish only to go back to primate, for example).

You also try to look town by making up stuff like you did in your interactions with Sakura, in your "I defended them so much" about unwind and...your complete lie about Wheme wagon.

You also public discourse everything. Every post you write is like a talk to the audience instead of being you going through the emotions/reads inside your head.

This behavior is scummy and if it wasn't it wouldn't be a tell in the first place. I don't care about your home site, even changing the amount of days in a game of mafia drastically change things.

[Rainn]

I mean, you're probably not the first player, but the first player in a very long time, that has me considering very hard voting you despite townreading you just coz im done taking insults.

Sakura I want CK and you want Fish

Can we trade?

[Rainn]

And yes I am manipulative if i need to be, if you aren't you don't play the game well.

That's a half-truth

When I don't fool around I'm usually the most town read player in the games. If I had to say anything, yes, it is because I'm manipulative.

When I start game as town, I really take care about first impressions and of explaining my thought process, as well as not being too flippant. I also try to make town cohesion get better.

However, what you've done is a different kind of manipulation.

hard insulting people, completely making stuff up, posting with ingenuity. That's scummy-manipulation.

[Rainn]

Why do you dismiss all my post just to engage the most irrelevant fucking part and talks about semantics??

bc your posts are too large already, so making a long post to explain why you're wrong to each point you make, it's fairly tiring and no one would be interested in walls.

so i focus on one point mainly.

tbh the first point that sticks out to me as being bs.

[Rainn]

Sakura, I can lynch both Fish and Oversoul as long as you also include CK there

I was planning to lynch OS anyway later.

I would rather like CK first thought tbh. I think he is the hardest one and if he is scum he will endgame just like okapoka did in colors.

[Rainn]

No one asked you, why do you give content you haven't been solicited for? yet you don't answer to my posts when I engage you on your content

What is this piece of garbage...

what do you mean that I give "content I haven't been solicited for?"

I don't post content because someone solicited, because that would mean I only give content that may make me townier.

I give content because I think it helps me to push my reads and therefore, following the golden rule of mafia (because without it you're better of not playing/spectating), I do trust my reads will give good results/lynch scum/protect townies.

I don't engage you in every single thing because it would make a messy wall, but I do engage you fairly often. What am I doing here otherwise?

[Rainn]

As I was saying, I do not TR the person behind the mask.

who is the mask anyway

my mind is too tired of trying to lynch CK to process any kind of info right now.

[Rainn]

No one asked you, why do you give content you haven't been solicited for?

What the hell is even this.

This is a common scum tell. People over justifying themselves when no one asked them, basically it implies that the content of their justification is for their image and how they are read by the other players.

I'm explaining it because...it's the unique way to convince people.

I've been saying you were scum since when?

start of d2?

I never hard pushed you as hard as I'm doing right now, and because of that you never had as much chances of being lynched as you have now.

I explain my thought process on you because that's what makes people understand my points and vote you.

[Rainn]

I think Cloud is townier than not for his particular style.


Kain Tepes, this is Lapsa
Lapsa, Cloudkicker
Cloud, Kain.

so you basically switched your strongest reads when you understood that if CK is lynched you're next since I'm allying up?

talk about golden timing...?

[Rainn]

I mean CK scumclaimed so.

If we lynch CK I'm giving my tomorrow's vote to you as long as it's not something too contradictory with my reads (I'll still give you my sincere opinions though).

If I have to be honest, I'm kind of like I was with Oka in Colors and Roster in Panic Room. (both were scum)

Everyone besides me town reads them and it's really pressuring to be the one to make the tables turn over, so I gave up on both, and I lowkey want to give up on lynching CK as well because if I'm wrong it's going to be messy.

However, I think that CK scum equity is honestly, with no exaggerations, very high. Even when I engaged him or gave him time, he only repeated the same scum shenanigans and keeps playing in bad faith.

I'm hands down to lynching the slot already.

[Rainn]

Youre kind of forcing me into taking an absolute stance I wouldnt be usually.

Try to have some sense rainn

I either have sense/am considerate/overthink or I lynch CK today once and for all.

I can't do both.

[Rainn]

And make no mistake; you are setting lynches. Your town strat is more to keep quite, imo, not wrangle support.

is this directed towards me or sakura?

[Rainn]

Tbh I scum read CK or Fish a lot more than OS I think.

Especially CK.

[Rainn]

I'll not be active here in the next days Sakura (at least not pushing this strongly).

Want to switch over for OS today and CK tomorrow?

I'm just exhausted rn.

Fish, I want you to answer me about how much your "meta" on me relates to your read on me.

[Rainn]

I need to say though.

I think OS has like...potential to flip town?

I don't like voting the slot right now, and I'm wondering if the vault event is because the serum vendor from Genx (Oversoul) got blackmailed and therefore they are stealing the serum that was from him?

[Rainn]

Want to switch over for OS today and CK tomorrow?

I could if you want to.

I can go with that.

choose either fish or OS to vote.

I'll follow.

[Rainn]

I'll consider Cloud townier if OS flips scum. I don't think he does this kind of posting to a scum buddy...probably.

I currently think OS is more likely to flip not-simotech than not

[Rainn]

I'll not be active here in the next days Sakura (at least not pushing this strongly).

Want to switch over for OS today and CK tomorrow?

I'm just exhausted rn.

Fish, I want you to answer me about how much your "meta" on me relates to your read on me.

a good chunk

but some is just seeing what comes when I shake

I think this is like...

very classic town me though.

explain what you don't find town about me meta-wise.

[Rainn]

Alright.

My vote is yours for today Sakura. Treat yourself as double voter...probably.

VOTE: Oversoul

I'll change it to somewhere else if you want btw. not sure how frequently I'll check this after today though.

[Rainn]

I just want this game to end already.

By the way we never confirmed if kiddamn could or not vote yesterday as far as i know. I was planning to do it but I just rushed up the wheme lynch.

[Rainn]

I just want this game to end already.

By the way we never confirmed if kiddamn could or not vote yesterday as far as i know. I was planning to do it but I just rushed up the wheme lynch.

They cant vote yesterday, they cant vote today, the mod has already shown that.

oh right

I forgot to see if his name was on the "not voting" section

[Rainn]

I wonder if RC still wants CK to die from the dead thread?

although I think he very most likely tha not is already spoiled.

[Rainn]

Same Rainn. Same. Let’s make my wish come true!

You're really a happy man aren't you

I almost wish I was you

but as long as I ignore the fact that I should be pushing my scum reads, it's not so bad

what made you so against CK as a lynch btw?

[Rainn]

Same Rainn. Same. Let’s make my wish come true!

You're really a happy man aren't you

I almost wish I was you

but as long as I ignore the fact that I should be pushing my scum reads, it's not so bad

what made you so against CK as a lynch btw?

His play on day 2 was pretty transparently town and I dunno what cool aid everyone is drinking but it’s something left over from Woodstock. His emotions today have also been Town. I feel like you all need to have a game where you’re town fighting against literally every one and their grandma and then get back to me with how the attitude/approach of that town player

should

be.

I really do get what you are saying here, but the game was heavily favored to him until I camel like a wrecking ball today.

My points aren't about a time when he was pressured, but about a time when he wasn't pressured.

He kept making stuff up and etc.

[Rainn]

Im not joking about wanting to PL him.

it's not PL when it flips simotech

[Rainn]

Rainn could you point me to your case against CloudKicker so I can

dismantle

read it?

you're really nonchalantly claiming to not have read the last pages aren't you

what a cheeky sheep.

[Rainn]

Im not joking about wanting to PL him.

it's not PL when it flips simotech

Nah it's still PL, it's just different motivations to want the slot dead.

golden rule#1 of mafia

if you were in the scum lynch wagon, even if for a random reason, post-flip you have to say it was all calculated strat.

[Rainn]

Tbh A50 is one of these slots that I find myself giggling when thinking about their alignment

like

even if he was simotech i'm so not interested on him rn tbh.

I don't think he is simotech because:

If he was simotech, I think he would understand that PP could possible be a traitor with that soft, therefore he wouldn't nk him. After all, if he is lying/it wasn't him, simotech are probably the ones that made the kill, therefore, it's mutually exclusive?

That is my reasoning for him not being simotech, A50 is smart enough to not kill a possible traitor soft I think.

[Rainn]

Im not joking about wanting to PL him.

it's not PL when it flips simotech

Nah it's still PL, it's just different motivations to want the slot dead.

golden rule#1 of mafia

if you were in the scum lynch wagon, even if for a random reason, post-flip you have to say it was all calculated strat.

I would far more likely suspect a player was looking for an out to vote a scum without casing them [or just keep them alive] than that they wanted to say they calculated the lynch.

I mean golden rule of "mafia" as in "mafia game" not mafia as a faction

[Rainn]

A50 is smart enough

to know how to not be lynched. and its by shitposting.

if you stopped complaining and started to push him for real maybe he would get a wagon though.

He is like

a considerably easy target especially for later game for scum.

don't try to make it sound shitposting is a good strategy forever.

[Rainn]

Where was the traitor soft

someone softs a clear on you when you are actually scum.

Traitor or something anti-town is like...the unique reasonable choice from this pov imo. PP isn't the kind of player that fakes softies as far as i know.

[Rainn]

If A50 was scum, I really don't he was simotech from the start, so i'm like

we can deal with that later...there is higher odds on other slots rn

if he is aeon i'm not interested rn.

[Rainn]

Translation.
If A50 was scum he'd know PP was full of crap and wouldnt kill him.

it actually just points to him not being simotech though

i'm not one hundred percent sure on how we should view aeon as well.

[Rainn]

ok I'll start to alt hunt fish

let' see...

number 1 step

remember all the smug players in mafiascum.net

[Rainn]

I really remember someone being very similar to fish but at the same time I don't really remember anyone at all...

[Rainn]

Isn’t Fish Monger Pisskop?

...

actually pisskpop fits it quite a bit....

[Rainn]

The way he uses meta sounds like krazy but is krazy this smug?

I don't think so?

or maybe he is overdoing it as a gimmick?

i'm not sure²

I also think that krazy would...know my meta better. even if he was scum and had to lie about it?

[Rainn]

Somtimes i wish it was me being the one lynched coz this game town has no cohesion at all.
Except to lynch other town.

I mean...

we've a third part claimed

quite a bit of lurkers/shitposters

cloud being over the top with...everyone

very messy claims/mechanics

Town cohesion happens when a certain number of people kind of town read each other and just go around compromissing reads/lynches.

I don't think that's necessarily positive. it is a better enviroment to play at but not really great result-wise (lynchbaites are almost always the target of too much consensus).

I think the best result-wise kind of scenario is when there is some "town leader"(s) that are catalysts to what happens in the game and people just more or less sheep them. It's really soothing when that is the case. If someone wants to volunteer for the role I can give them support...maybe.

[Rainn]

VOTE: primate

[Rainn]

RC...is really a hit or miss imo.

He makes everyone either sheep him or get his aggro so either he wins the game by lynching all scum or makes town lose by lynching the wrong guys.

I'm not...that fond of that playstyle. And fish before you say I was doing the same thing, I wasn't.

[Rainn]

I looked at some other games and whemestar could be scum meta-wise. I just find it weird that a scum would pick an uneeded fight with RC d1.

@wheme: do you have a history that could justify this as scum?

VOTE: rainn

VOTE: Whemestar

Partially for the serum, partially because that claim's nothing and he's scummy.

wierd progression if scum, imo

leaning town

[Rainn]

I've no idea what is town behind that progression

and no

i don't think scum!primate would make that transition smoother.

[Rainn]

If you thought he was scum trying to kill you why did you claim Aeon instead of Simotech at that point?

I think the context for the "scumclaim" makes it seem reasonable.

hmmmm

I dont know if this is meant to be an SR of panda or not.


but Im back at panda being simotech

Panda can't be simotech imo as long as simotech makes the nightkills.

Think about it:

If Redpanda was simotech and did the nightkill, he would know that Aeon doesn't have killing power, therefore he wouldn't say something as "don't nightkill me" to someone he suspects of being Aeon, that would be way too much steps ahead to fake.

RedPanda is not simotech.

[Rainn]

Redpanda is either aeon traitor or town.

I think that's almost...a fact.

[Rainn]

Therefore RedPanda is kind of really low in lynching priorities anyway.

[Rainn]

Kiddamn not simotech
Redpanda not simotech
A50 not simotech (at least originally)
Sakura not simotech
Rauth/Dunn not simotech
Bambi..not simotech..?

We are left with

Primate/Gamma/MariaR/Cloud/Claude/Oversoul/Fish

[Rainn]

Actually I don't think that redpanda is lying about not being able to target simotech. It's like...a very understandable investigative role and something that would be very random for him to make up since he tried to aeon-hunt from the start (he didn't intend to pass off as a loyal neighbourizer in a singleball from the beginning).

Then yeah...

I suppose simotech is in

Primate/Gamma/MariaR/Cloud/Claude/Oversoul

[Rainn]

Fish, can you claim companies?

I think I'm about to town clear fish here tbh.

[Rainn]

I don't really like this "scum!MariaR" would be more active.

MariaR hardlurked in one of her scum games as an alt.

[Rainn]

But i received a very disturbing PM at day start.

if you have info it would be helpful to out it?

[Rainn]

I have, several times.

securipal. im the head of security for secupal

if you're the head of securipal how come you send out red envelopes.

it doesn't really make any sense.

[Rainn]

Because red should be Johnson family seal?

[Rainn]

Johnson is brown tho?

It's the closest to red though. It's kind of really random for securipal to send out red ones.