Project ARCH - Epilogue

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I guarantee that is not an actual posting restriction and it's just Maria being cheeky

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*extends arms outward in front of them, palms open and face up*
*raises left hand, lowers right hand*
*raises right hand, lowers left hand*

To the left, take it back now y'all
One hop this time, right foot let's stomp
Left foot let's stomp, cha cha real smooth

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Mechanics talk is probably annoyingly necessary, but I also find most people who have talked about to be null. I think it matters more what you do with the knowledge of mechanics rather than just uh, talking about them

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I mean, at the very least can you not make it a quote pyramid at the same time? Please?
Also, why did that vote happen CloudKicker. I can't tell why you made the vote from your previous posts or context.

I know you are trying to distance yourself from me when I openchainsawed your slot

lol this is such useless jargon i feel like it's made from a scum who is trying to play off as an informative townie

VOTE: CloudKicker

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We should start running up some players that have brought only lame discussions so far.

1. Fred the Cat

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I mean, at the very least can you not make it a quote pyramid at the same time? Please?
Also, why did that vote happen CloudKicker. I can't tell why you made the vote from your previous posts or context.

I know you are trying to distance yourself from me when I openchainsawed your slot

lol this is such useless jargon i feel like it's made from a scum who is trying to play off as an informative townie

VOTE: CloudKicker

lol why me

Your sentence made no sense, but like actually

What did you mean by him openchainsawing your slot? That's not even a proper term

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Open- is a suffix used in the mefia culture when something is done openly aka w/ no regard to hide one’s intention.
Ex: openwolfing; obviously playing for mafia’s win condition

Chaisawing is a term used in the mefia culture when someone defend a slot by voting whoever voted that specific slot, its like a defense but by attacking another slot.

I feel trolled right now

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It's gonna be hard to determine which of CloudKicker/Fred is being stupid and the other is just scum

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i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

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I'm fine with Gamma wagon too btw

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i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

Can you please make a case about the post you dislike, what doesnt sound genuine etc. I already explained the post you didn’t understand, I am assuming you fos me for other posts.

I think you're weird and I don't get your humor but others don't think it's scummy

You explained what you meant but why does him openchainsawing and distancing (your words) mean. As in, the person you said you were doing those things. Are they scum?

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i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

Can you please make a case about the post you dislike, what doesnt sound genuine etc. I already explained the post you didn’t understand, I am assuming you fos me for other posts.

I think you're weird and I don't get your humor but others don't think it's scummy

You explained what you meant but why does him openchainsawing and distancing (your words) mean. As in, the person you said you were doing those things. Are they scum?

I was only calling green gear mefia if I was mefia so you can imagine it wasn’t shading and only banter, so no that post had no genuine reads behind it.

You don’t know what distancing means?
A good amount of mefia games are partly solved via associatives between slot aka how mefia tends to interact because they share their hidden win condition. So a lot of mefia will go out of their way to make posts with the sole purpose to make good interactions with their other mefia members, so when people ISO either slot once thwy are flipped mefia, it will not be obvious who the others mefias are.
Is that better? I implied that it was what green gear was doing with me, implying we were both mefia

No, no

I'm asking you why you said those things about Rautherdir in 154. Like what does it mean in terms of how you read him

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dunn havent you played with cloud before ???

They said mafia normally back then

no lol

unwnd im like 90% sure it means nothing but im not gonna speak for cloud

pedit: wig

Yeah I get that vibe and it's gonna be a crapshoot to read him, I'll let you do it because it gives me a genuine headache

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Fine with me

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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Vifam I don't know why you didn't proceed to vote Gamma when I said I'd hop on with you

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My reads were very good in you got mail.

I also didn't hard scumread you like you're claiming.

OH FUCKING REALLY? YOU HARD TUNNELED ME FROM DAY 2 UNTIL I WAS DAMN NEAR CONF!TOWN, DON'T EVEN FUCKING TRY TO LIE ABOUT THAT.

I don't know your experience with RC but how likely is it for him to exaggerate a read on you as scum? Town?

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My reads were very good in you got mail.

I also didn't hard scumread you like you're claiming.

OH FUCKING REALLY? YOU HARD TUNNELED ME FROM DAY 2 UNTIL I WAS DAMN NEAR CONF!TOWN, DON'T EVEN FUCKING TRY TO LIE ABOUT THAT.

I don't know your experience with RC but how likely is it for him to exaggerate a read on you as scum? Town?

I don't recall him exaggerating but I do recall faking reads a lot

So he's faking a read on you here then?

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My issue with you right now is that even if you feel validated in defending yourself, I dunno why you would bother. If RC is the type of person that will push you regardless of alignment (going by what you told me) then I don't know what you gain entertaining him. Another thing I'm not the biggest fan of is your snapback to Sakura and insisting you're town, which I find tilted scum tend to do. I'd rather see you try to solve your attackers instead of getting petty

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I think RC is pretty solvable and I don't know why he needs excuses to refuse to interact with him

Not even close to CloudKicker

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If you don't trust either right now Kid is this more indicative of null or that you suspect both

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If you don't trust either right now Kid is this more indicative of null or that you suspect both

Kidamn is transparently making a show of his uncertainty.

I try not to deal in absolutes at every opportunity, but if that's your style I won't knock it as long as we agree on reads

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I like that you jumped straight on the infuriating part and not "takes over the game, town or scum", which presumably you're smart enough to know is the real reason I have no reason to trust you.

Oh that's scummy too. Just for different reasons

VOTE: Kidamn

Here now.

This is remarkably silly even for you.

If you don't trust either right now Kid is this more indicative of null or that you suspect both

Both, for different reasons.

Tell me a bit more about your reasons

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I don't know any of your personalities besides Maria hence I commented on it, and I'm not sure why personality should be a starting point for why you're town lol

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Nothing being said interests me or grabs me in a way that wants me to get involved. The deadline is apparently 20 days therefore I imagine there is plenty of time to discuss semantics. I think RC's way of posturing in the thread is negative towards fulfilling others priorities because he is like a black hole in terms of the way the thread will be paced. I don't recall KidAmn telling me their votes on Gamma/RC despite claiming both were weird and I was waiting for that as well.

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plenty of time to discuss semantics

i'm scumreading you because you say shit like this, by the way

You can scumread me for it but it's not really gonna change my opinion about the state of the game. I think if you're town and are spewing bad opinions, reluctant people will sheep you and it will make the thread less dynamic and harder to read

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plenty of time to discuss semantics

i'm scumreading you because you say shit like this, by the way

You can scumread me for it but it's not really gonna change my opinion about the state of the game. I think if you're town and are spewing bad opinions, reluctant people will sheep you and it will make the thread less dynamic and harder to read

It's not the state of the game that we're discussing.
It's the fact that you boiled down my read on you to 'semantics' instead of engaging with me on it when I've barely said anything about my read on you.
That, to me, implies that you know my read is genuine and are trying to discredit it as opposed to actually trying to figure out where my read comes from and sort it out.

A lot of my scumread on you also comes from the contrast between this game and Starry Night which just ended.

My statement about semantics was a general read on the thread and not pertaining to you. I don't think the things being discussed and you leading the helm of said discussion is all that interesting

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My statement about semantics was a general read on the thread and not pertaining to you. I don't think the things being discussed and you leading the helm of said discussion is all that interesting

Boiling it down to semantics doesn't make sense when, again, most of my pushes were just "lol I am RC I am goat sheep me"

Yeah that kinda is why I'm not interested, maybe you're more self-aware than you give off sometimes

Yes I still dislike Gamma because he's been given all the opportunity to try and solve you as you willingly give out opinions and he's chosen to duck his head and pretend nobody notices.

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I don't feel like the post you made about me or the one saying you solved CC makes me feel better about either of those statements

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I don't see any of your posts where you commit to a read on CC much like you not committing to a read on me in your quotewall, I don't even know why you'd make it there or what purpose it served beyond seemingly doing something proactive for a change

P-edit I am

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The biggest thing I have about you RC and why I sit null on you is if you're going to remain at the state of !!!I push things and I could be lying about it for reactions !!! that you seem to be doing how am I supposed to hold you credible by constantly changing your vote. Moreover what is your current read on Gamma and him saying 'IDK' about me and then trying to bring up a quotewall when provoked

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The only crux I take from a perspective of Wheme/RC is that if RC is town then I think Wheme is just feigning an uncertainty about it to seem consistent and nothing else, as it's the only thing he's really talked about beyond fluff

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Yes he's voting RC but when you preface your posts saying you're going with your gut after deliberating a read on someone for about 5 pages I don't know how much gut entails or why you need to mention that you're going with your gut. I don't wanna see D1 or a couple of days just be about what RC does but that's what happens when you play with people with that subset of style

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Why

Like this feels like he's trying to solve things in the way beyond what i could possibly imagine, while i feel scum RC would be strongarming a lynch and be less susceptive to changes in the flow to change his actual "solving plan".
That plus it doesnt feel like he's going after easy targets and is actually poking people and try to game solve, he just does it in a way that tends to irk people.

See I feel like he is the one strong arming a lynch

Are you thinking about who he's pushing or what it means however? If you think he's scum then entertain my thought in #827

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Let me say I have close to 0 townreads because reading those off of other's work is much harder if they don't put in some themselves. I wanted to townread Vifam for a second but it's like he gassed himself up and then forgot the notion two seconds after. Not the best look and then like everything else is a blur.

I genuinely, to repeat myself, do not want to see people just focusing on RC and what he does just because he's loud, that's gonna be a setback and encourage me to skim lol

P-edit good

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While I'm here and dragged out in the open: a lot of the votes to me feel coincidental and not very effective. There's a lot of behavior that seems pretty similar going on this game and it's a sense of apathy that is striking. Sakura herself said she was 'too lazy to scumhunt' or something along the lines and it makes me wonder about the attitude being set. Do I think hana is scummy for said laziness? Not really because I can fall for it too, but there's no strong opinion I think that's being thrown around, just a lot of limp-wristed votes. I don't get why Rauth was wagoned on a slip and I certainly don't get where Primate votes are coming from. Is it his lack of activity? Him explaining himself? Primate to me (and Rauth) all feel pretty superficial in the sense their behavior thus far could be pinned onto another person. There's a serious lack of distinction, and with 19 players that is probably more evident to happen but I'm not sure where consensus lies yet. I get Dunn is on me for ??? reasons as well as RC/Sakura but they're much as ??? as the rest of the votes thus far.

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Sakura herself said she was 'too lazy to scumhunt' or something along the lines and it makes me wonder about the attitude being set.

too busy to actually scumhunt properly atm anyway

Yeah im pretty happy with were my vote is rn.

I don't understand your vote and at worst you're sheeping RC's opinion that changes every 10 seconds lol

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UNVOTE:

Maybe I’m tunneling

VOTE: WhemeStar

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but Dunn and RC are my strongest TRs right now.
Also ftr i have trouble scumhunting in general, i find townies more easily, but sometimes i try to find scum.
But im currently busy with RL, + videogames + overgamed, but im still trying, just expect bursts of activity instead.

Disagree on the first Reluctant on the second

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All I can say is if Wheme is scum the type of stuff he just pulled in the last page is not indicative of a partner. You don't go all-in on a mate (in this example) for distancing purposes then back off and say you're tunneling

Dislike the look from Wheme because he pretty much invalidated himself for no reason

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Unwnd mind casing Wheme for me?

No need to case, just stating how I feel and letting others interpret it

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Dislike the look from Wheme because he pretty much invalidated himself for no reason

If he thinks he was wrong what else should he do?

He should've been trying to determine whether he was wrong or not in the first place

What makes him a better vote than Gamma?

Reactionary behavior that is self-serving in a way that does not seem beneficial to town and it's mostly been him shading your slot

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The exact same thing I said that was happening in #804 seems to be coming to fruition

I should've named myself Soothsayer

Ok I just noticed this and it's bullshit, the quote wall was me forming a read because I knew if I didn't have a read on you I should get one, and it just took a while because I was trying to do a quote wall on mobile while playing other games too.

I don't know why you need to explain yourself like this if you weren't provoked or don't feel like you did anything wrong in the first place

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For vigi if we're making suggestions I'd point it at Fred/Vifam

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For vigi if we're making suggestions I'd point it at Fred/Vifam

Is that your final request for if your murdered?

I don't believe I will be murdered

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Why did you stop scumreading Gamma though, Unwnd?

If I stopped scumreading him I would've told you

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Why did you stop scumreading Gamma though, Unwnd?

If I stopped scumreading him I would've told you

Didn't put him down as a vig target

Not voting him

Generally I direct vigs to slots that will either be obstinate or hard to solve. Gamma is not that type of player and will continue to fight in the thread. I'm not voting him because Wheme did something way worse which I've extrapolated in the time I've spent here

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Where's my purple heart for the gracious act of putting myself in the line of fire. We all know RC does not fire in single bursts rather his position is the equivalent of carrying an AK-47 into the thread and spraying down any suspecting victim with a flurry of concentrated bullets

Then he reloads

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Don't think we need a vig on fred the cat . . .

Why not?

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That is legit one of the worst people to vig considering his effort is more then likely lacking town.

I saw the votes on Chemist before from some people, why is his lack of effort any less indicative than Chemist's lack of effort lol

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Why do you scumread anyone who provokes you besides RC Gamma

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RC continues to gun me down, the masses all look in my direction. They see my blood sputter out of my body and onto the floor. I can barely feel half of my body as the shrapnel pierces into my functioning organs. Some people laugh, others even encourage the slaughter. RC lights a cigarette with the tip of the barrel to look cool in front of everyone. "I think this is something town RC would do", says an observant.

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Why do you scumread anyone who provokes you besides RC Gamma

1) this is a lie, if I were to scumread MariaR for provoking me it would've come a lot sooner
2) I didn't scumread RC because it was equally likely that it was town!RC just being very wrong
3) p sure other people have provoked me without me suspecting them

As far as I remember this is the first time you interacted with her? I won't argue the point of provoking you because apparently that idea is something you get very defensive about, which I imagine means you are uh, provoked. Like, if it didn't bother you? You wouldn't response. You wouldn't care. You're right you didn't scumread RC, but as far as I remember you toyed with the idea of what alignment he was and never gave a solid definition. Why do you feel like you're wrong now? He hasn't been playing any different besides backing off you. This is why I said I feel like you only scumread people who provoke you, because you were getting all mad and frustrated even FULL CAPS about RC's read on you earlier and now it doesn't even matter and he's just town?

Why does the last point matter?

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IMO 917 was pretty defensive in a scummy way

That is legit one of the worst people to vig considering his effort is more then likely lacking town.

I saw the votes on Chemist before from some people, why is his lack of effort any less indicative than Chemist's lack of effort lol

The posting between the two seems pretty different to me and yes I'd say Chemist's lack of effort is scummy while Fred the Cat's isn't

I kinda disagree but it's probably not the most interesting talking point. When I ISO'd chemist I think that his way of approaching the thread is different (claiming he's gonna get caught up and doesn't) but they're pretty much the same in terms of uh, effectiveness. Fred isn't trying to fake being interested like Chemist but you can both tell they're not interested in the same way.

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Why do you scumread anyone who provokes you besides RC Gamma

1) this is a lie, if I were to scumread MariaR for provoking me it would've come a lot sooner
2) I didn't scumread RC because it was equally likely that it was town!RC just being very wrong
3) p sure other people have provoked me without me suspecting them

As far as I remember this is the first time you interacted with her? I won't argue the point of provoking you because apparently that idea is something you get very defensive about, which I imagine means you are uh, provoked. Like, if it didn't bother you? You wouldn't response. You wouldn't care. You're right you didn't scumread RC, but as far as I remember you toyed with the idea of what alignment he was and never gave a solid definition. Why do you feel like you're wrong now? He hasn't been playing any different besides backing off you. This is why I said I feel like you only scumread people who provoke you, because you were getting all mad and frustrated even FULL CAPS about RC's read on you earlier and now it doesn't even matter and he's just town?

Why does the last point matter?

I definitely interacted with Maria earlier. And I only took offense to the "being provoked" thing because it was used to attack my wall when that was extremely not the case, I just took a while because I had some points that criss crossed between posts I was looking at. Yes I did toy with the idea of RC being scum but I figured it was easier to not go with that because if RC were scum then they'd probably get me lynched anyway, and it worked our because by assuming RC was town I got a sense that they were being genuine in pushing me. The reason I was going all caps was because I was convinced RC was wrong about the YGM game, and I stopped yelling when I read that game and realized "oh shit I was the wrong one". The last point matters because it contradicts what you're saying.

I again don't know why you need to explain yourself if you did nothing wrong. This tangent you're getting into and trying to cover all bases makes me feel worse about you than better. I make stupid and shitty reads all the time, let alone embarrass myself

If you accept RC was a bad read, that's fine. Instead you have some coordinated reason as to why it was bad and it comes off like you're self-aware in a way that you don't want anything leading back to you

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For every point made against you have a dismissive response whether it be in the form of (what I assume is) feigned frustration or insinuating that behavior in your response to your own is also scummy because..reasons? Like, you said I shouldn't respond to you with a wall of text as if somehow you responding with a wall of text is why I dislike you, which is not my argument. I dislike the things you are presenting regardless if it's in the form of sentence or paragraph

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Cloudy I really want you to try and justify unwnd's interactions with your slot as town because they really aren't imo

The dichotomy post is probably the worst in the thread and his pushes on me were bad, but can see it coming from town. Tone wise I think he’s doing too good of a job for mefia, shrugs, I am a sucker for tone

Well that won't convince me because

content-wise unwnd is abysmal

and if you admit you are weak to that kind of thing maybe you should take it with a grain of salt

So overall there's a couple decent posts by unwnd but overall it's rather scummy imo

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I went from 'making decent points but kinda scummy' to 'ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ABYSMAL' in 0 seconds flat

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CK I have no read on you and I didn't have a read when I confronted you, but it seemed like you were joking in our whole interaction and I was like, actually trying to read you.

That is my mistake lol

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How does that make you feel?

Would prefer how you feel about me in our exchange instead of playing Kingmaker.

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Sorry had to be Bold there.

A gamma read would be cool maybe too

clarify?

I mean, I talked about it in 804. The consensus is going to sheep your opinion based on your notoriety. I don't like this because it gives people an easy excuse if ur wrong

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What do you think about your herd, is there any specific tell to it? I don't have a read on Bambi/Sakura's vote in particular and am not really a fan of Dunn for independent reasons that don't have a clause quite yet

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What do you think about your herd, is there any specific tell to it? I don't have a read on Bambi/Sakura's vote in particular and am not really a fan of Dunn for independent reasons that don't have a clause quite yet

Sakura never scum

Fred The Cat leantown
Dunnstral leantown

Bambi shrug

I seriously don't get the Fred townreads and never will

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It's a read based on a fairly confident alt guess.

I don't agree on the alt, because if it was that person I'd townread him too

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I agree he's not a D1 lynch, I just don't think he's town

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Who is a D1 lynch? Wheme?

Wheme/Gamma are fine. There's nobody that is sticking out to me so this is either a scenario where scum is overpacing or town are all uninterested and looking towards you to solve the game for them

What I mean by overpacing is that Wheme/Gamma are doing things that I would consider pretty outside of the current pace of the thread. Nobody has committed to any hard stances from what I understand which is why I've made the observation of semantics. I actually like being in this position because I enjoy when people listen or interact w/ me. Helps with readz

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Cloudy I really want you to try and justify unwnd's interactions with your slot as town because they really aren't imo

The dichotomy post is probably the worst in the thread and his pushes on me were bad, but can see it coming from town. Tone wise I think he’s doing too good of a job for mefia, shrugs, I am a sucker for tone

Well that won't convince me because

content-wise unwnd is abysmal

and if you admit you are weak to that kind of thing maybe you should take it with a grain of salt

So overall there's a couple decent posts by unwnd but overall it's rather scummy imo

Also, particularly given that they're still voting you, I don't see this as a contradiction.

Notable shift in tone that he did with you before in the same situation, which I think is fabricated. He's only gun-ho about it because he probably sees me as an easier lynch, don't really feel like he's going through the motions of determining if what I'm doing is scum

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CK I have no read on you and I didn't have a read when I confronted you, but it seemed like you were joking in our whole interaction and I was like, actually trying to read you.

That is my mistake lol

What do you mean your mistake? Taking me seriously when i was joking?

Aye

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Like, someone making a joke doesnt absolve them of being read, jokes can be AI

I mean I agree but I'd rather just write it off as my own mistake instead of trying to come to some sort of agreement whether or not your jokes were inherently scummy

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Like, someone making a joke doesnt absolve them of being read, jokes can be AI

I mean I agree but I'd rather just write it off as my own mistake instead of trying to come to some sort of agreement whether or not your jokes were inherently scummy

Its one thing to have understood I was joking, its another to strike that content off for that poor of a reason, sayin’

But i get no one used every content to read someone

When you asked me those questions and pinged me personally I realized I didn't have a response and it wasn't as important to me anymore, that's all

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Cloudy I really want you to try and justify unwnd's interactions with your slot as town because they really aren't imo

The dichotomy post is probably the worst in the thread and his pushes on me were bad, but can see it coming from town. Tone wise I think he’s doing too good of a job for mefia, shrugs, I am a sucker for tone

Well that won't convince me because

content-wise unwnd is abysmal

and if you admit you are weak to that kind of thing maybe you should take it with a grain of salt

So overall there's a couple decent posts by unwnd but overall it's rather scummy imo

A few good apples doesn't save a spoiled bunch, keeping in mind I tried to trim posts where I would retread the same ground and that was the case for a fair bit of posts re: your treatment of Cloudy, it's a pretty spoiled bunch

When you're wrong about me based on loose information that you compiled in an attempt to appeal to others, where will you go next lol

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If I wind up wrong I don't know where I will go next because a lot of things can happen between now and then and I don't have any preconceptions about what might be the case if that happens because I'm not trying to think two steps ahead rn
And wtf is this about appealing to others

...So you basically are not worried about the repercussions? Is this gonna be your vote until I die?

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Possibly, part of "things can happen" is other people may end up lynched, or other things I don't want to talk about. And I don't particularly care about "repercussions", no.
Again tho wdym appealing to others

I don't know why even now, with your vote on me and claiming that I am in your words 'content-wise abysmal' that you are unsure whether or not you want my death or not

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OK I'm talking too much for my own liking again

Peace

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CK I've been playing Forum Mafia since like 2010 and just got done winning a towngame for everyone respect ur elders bub

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maria you wanna point out what "bad logic" gamma has been using that isnt just like, gamma being a space cadet as usual? esp given stuff like 819, the interactions in 935, and 1027 (though obviously yes it's probably just because people want to vote the scumread with more votes I think this observation absolutely is valid to make while you're a wagon) i feel like bad logic is a strange reason to criticize him, i think the positions he's taking and the character he's portraying in-thread are absolutely reasonable in his head and even just in general... which is usually town indicative for him


VOTE: unwnd

townreads are pushing him (sans bambi), and also i kind of just registered that he's also the dude in that normal with all the informed prs who got annoyed at garmr for being super literal (the p3 guy avatar is what i remembered not the name . but at the time i thought that post was rly funny so it left an impression on me while i was watching that game lol ) - does that same person really make a comment like 171? like i thought it was kind of clearly a shitpost and not an attempt to look smart, like no one thinks simyk is intelligent because she can read a thesaurus for example

chemist is kind of uninteresting to talk about to me, either he'll post more later or there's going to be some interaction thats worth relooking after a flip

I try to become proactive if something genuinely interests me, problem is I realized too soon CK was just joking the whole time so it kinda just y'know killed my momentum

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CK I've been playing Forum Mafia since like 2010 and just got done winning a towngame for everyone respect ur elders bub

Okay then i retract my read on you, either you answer the dichotomy post in your next post or i will be parking my vote on you

It's not really that important and I have no strong reasoning for it, sometimes I do things because I want to and that was one of them

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CK I've been playing Forum Mafia since like 2010 and just got done winning a towngame for everyone respect ur elders bub

Okay then i retract my read on you, either you answer the dichotomy post in your next post or i will be parking my vote on you

It's not really that important and I have no strong reasoning for it, sometimes I do things because I want to and that was one of them

I want you to try, walk me trough your though process, why did you bundle me and Fred at all? Im insisting because its a textbook scumpost in a vacuum, so try

There I was, minding my own business. Sipping on a cup of joe. Life's good, but suddenly--
Some sideway

assholes

decides to write some pretty stupid stuff. What the hell?
I better set this guy straight, while I'm at it try to see what others think about it too..

[unwnd]

i dont know if i buy that entirely but okay

like wouldnt saying "nvm realized this was a shitpost" have worked fine? why keep momentum in a direction that isnt what you want to be pushing in-thread?

I pretty much did and I recall you were there talking to me were u not

[unwnd]

dunn havent you played with cloud before ???

They said mafia normally back then

no lol

unwnd

im like 90% sure it means nothing but im not gonna speak for cloud

pedit: wig

Yeah I get that vibe

and it's gonna be a crapshoot to read him, I'll let you do it because it gives me a genuine headache

Why are we even here discussing this honestly

[unwnd]

Dude, idc you scumread me for the stupis joke, I want to know how in the world dis you ever get to bundle me w/ fred

U were both being stupid or scum.

This is honestly stupid as well

[unwnd]

Oh my god lol

[unwnd]

Oh boy. Look at the votecount and try to remember the reasoning people have put up for voting the people they are. I doubt you can remember it--it's non-existent. You have about 3 unanswered votes on me, and then there's RC. It's not what RC is saying about me, rather the opinions surrounding him are very shallow. You have a lot of people townreading him for essentially being himself, which is loud. That's a general distinction I've made, even if nobody has exactly worded it like that. I don't see why RC doesn't see this as a problem, maybe he's too tied up on his own agenda. I don't know what to take away from the others because they've hardly said anything about it. RC could come in here blue in the face about how I'm scum #1 or I'm tied with X or Y or even dare-I-Say Z and it wouldn't matter to me because it's been pretty much just RC's opinions that I've been able to follow.

This is troublesome, it's also honestly really

fucking

boring. Boring isn't necessarily a point to be made, but I'm gonna make it anyways because boring games tend to have bad results for Town. When apathy becomes an affliction, it gives scum a plan of what to do. If the thread is apathetic, scum will be apathetic. I think that there is a lot of scum people are not addressing because there are no talking points to be made.

[unwnd]

So..what's up? Do something. Active call out to the people wasting my time. If you're one of the people who agrees with RC but you're just sitting there nodding in agreement at your computer monitor instead of posting, post about it. Scum don't post unless they're given a reason, so you might as well be scum in my eyes if that's what you're doing. I don't mind being the example if I'm the one who's lynched. I think that would probably help at this rate, maybe a mislynch would wake some of you up. I try not to exclusively call out people because the behavior is not exclusive, the lot of you simply aren't playing. It's annoying. Wake the fuck up. Start playing or put your goddamn vote on me. Put your vote on anyone. To the people who have their vote on me? Talk about it. Have their vote on someone? Talk about it. This isn't a newbie game, or at least I'd like to believe it's not. There's no reason for this gamestate to exist. It's why I'm thinking it's manufactured and lead by scum.

If I check this thread in the morning and RC is the only person to respond to me then lol.

[unwnd]

It's not hard to see this as scumplaining

I think you have a decent chance of being scum and nothing has given me a reason to reconsider and I wouldn't be as happy lynching the other lynch targets at the moment

You can say RC RC RC but it doesn't matter.

I thought you were town in the dance game and I don't get that feeling here. I'm not too confident but this isn't bad for a day 1 lynch, that's the kind of reasoning I'm going with

I gain nothing posting here but I do it because I'm town. That's the only defense I'll make on my behalf

I'm not sure about you as well because you're guarded but in a way that doesn't lead on as much

[unwnd]

If what you got out of my paragraph is that I'm frustrated RC is pushing me you're not listening. I'm not even that frustrated, I just uh, enjoy playing the game. When I called RC out for not looking at his townreaders more scrutingly I was hoping that would invoke him to talk more about why he townreads them, but instead I essentially got my whole spiel filtered into 'lol ur mad.' When I said 'guys, look at the votecounts and try to tell me if you can remember people's reasoning for them', I don't think that was hard to understand. I commented that there was a lack of talking points, so I made them. That's all I intended to do and this game will continue to bore me if people keep playing so narrow-minded

[unwnd]

There's no reason for this gamestate to exist. It's why I'm thinking it's manufactured and lead by scum.

People will lurk regardless, I'm not sure that "this gamestate" is a thing (I don't think it's a good defense, at least)

I don't know why you took it as a defense (see: my previous post), All I'm doing is taking the opportunity to speak out if people suspect me lol

[unwnd]

So..what's up? Do something. Active call out to the people wasting my time. If you're one of the people who agrees with RC but you're just sitting there nodding in agreement at your computer monitor instead of posting, post about it. Scum don't post unless they're given a reason, so you might as well be scum in my eyes if that's what you're doing. I don't mind being the example if I'm the one who's lynched. I think that would probably help at this rate, maybe a mislynch would wake some of you up. I try not to exclusively call out people because the behavior is not exclusive, the lot of you simply aren't playing. It's annoying. Wake the fuck up. Start playing or put your goddamn vote on me. Put your vote on anyone. To the people who have their vote on me? Talk about it. Have their vote on someone? Talk about it. This isn't a newbie game, or at least I'd like to believe it's not. There's no reason for this gamestate to exist. It's why I'm thinking it's manufactured and lead by scum.

If I check this thread in the morning and RC is the only person to respond to me then lol.

I've already asked you something so there is no excuse to act like this

We've talked enough

I want to talk about different things, with different people

[unwnd]

I don't think it's fair to ignore a solicitation to talk from some that isn't RC and then say "Grrr if someone not RC doesn't talk to me Ima be mad"

A lot of my reads are outddated or in the back of my mind at this point. Nobody is doing anything worth developing and no offense that includes yourself

[unwnd]

So, what do you want to talk about?

I mean, I highlighted some points I thought would be interesting in my two paragraphs. If there's something you disagreed with or had inquiry say it now

[unwnd]

So, what do you want to talk about?

I mean, I highlighted some points I thought would be interesting in my two paragraphs. If there's something you disagreed with or had inquiry say it now

I see a lot of bitching about how people are playing, and it would probably be easier to direct your questions to the people you want to talk to as you think no one is doing anything worth developing.

That's my problem though, I can't specifically address people because I'd pretty much calling them out for similar behavior

[unwnd]

unwnd can you try to like, try to centralize who you're calling out? who are the scummy people letting the gamestate be as illogical as you state it is? as valid and relatable-in-past games as 1240 it's meaningless to me if you're not pointing out who you think could be the scum trying to make the gamestate the way it is. like i've been in your position before and even though i was completely wrong about it it let me move the gamestate along and eventually lynch scum.

It's not really centralized, I don't think everyone voting me is scum. If I had to give individual tells on everyone, I'd say that CC (or RC) is null, Sakura is probably misguided town, Dunnstral is leaning scum, and then Bambi Jay is..just unfortunate. I'd scumread her but part of me thinks she doesn't care enough to be scum.

When I was talking about

the votes

, I meant every vote. You have 3 votes on Rauth that I seriously can't remember why they were made in the first place; same with the 2 on Primate which counts your own. What's your reason for Primate if you're still on them? Primate's behavior is inconclusive to me, just seems like he's grabbing a lot of the common topics and aligning them in a form of a paragraph. The problem I'm facing (and maybe you're tired of hearing about this) is not plays and conversations made are not very distinguishable from the others. I'm pretty sure in the example of Primate you have someone who's acting close to the same. Who's the scum there? I don't have an individual example to compare but when the thread is like this you have similar behavior that is hard to distinguish from one and the other. When it comes to my own wagon, I feel RC has done nothing notable and if I were commenting on his logic I'd say it's pretty bad when it comes to Me/Gamma/KC. Sakura seems a bit more innocuous just from a tone perspective and I feel like she's easily influenced by people like RC hence she's there. I'd say her jump on me is probably the least I'm worried about for that fact alone. Everything Dunnstral has said thus far rings hollow to me, moreover there are some certain things I don't like that I haven't given myself the time to address. It's a process of his wording, the way he's said things. Maybe you're interested in hearing more about it. I have nothing to say about Bambi which is both good/bad.

I don't know why the assumption being made is that I think RC is leading a herd against me, personally Dunnstral voted me before RC even considered the fact. Bambi just wants 'murder', and then Sakura is probably the only sheep there. I see Penguin has voted me now and Fred and I've already talked about Fred needs to be vigged and if somehow you don't see that by now then I'm not sure what to say.

[unwnd]

P-edit: The problem I'm facing (and maybe you're tired of hearing about this) is that plays and conversations made are

not

very distinguishable from the others. I'm pretty sure in the example of Primate you have someone who's acting close to the same.

[unwnd]

unwnd can you try to like, try to centralize who you're calling out? who are the scummy people letting the gamestate be as illogical as you state it is? as valid and relatable-in-past games as 1240 it's meaningless to me if you're not pointing out who you think could be the scum trying to make the gamestate the way it is. like i've been in your position before and even though i was completely wrong about it it let me move the gamestate along and eventually lynch scum.

It's not really centralized, I don't think everyone voting me is scum. If I had to give individual tells on everyone, I'd say that CC (or RC) is null, Sakura is probably misguided town, Dunnstral is leaning scum, and then Bambi Jay is..just unfortunate. I'd scumread her but part of me thinks she doesn't care enough to be scum.

When I was talking about

the votes

, I meant every vote. You have 3 votes on Rauth that I seriously can't remember why they were made in the first place; same with the 2 on Primate which counts your own. What's your reason for Primate if you're still on them? Primate's behavior is inconclusive to me, just seems like he's grabbing a lot of the common topics and aligning them in a form of a paragraph. The problem I'm facing (and maybe you're tired of hearing about this) is not plays and conversations made are not very distinguishable from the others. I'm pretty sure in the example of Primate you have someone who's acting close to the same. Who's the scum there? I don't have an individual example to compare but when the thread is like this you have similar behavior that is hard to distinguish from one and the other. When it comes to my own wagon, I feel RC has done nothing notable and if I were commenting on his logic I'd say it's pretty bad when it comes to Me/Gamma/KC. Sakura seems a bit more innocuous just from a tone perspective and I feel like she's easily influenced by people like RC hence she's there. I'd say her jump on me is probably the least I'm worried about for that fact alone. Everything Dunnstral has said thus far rings hollow to me, moreover there are some certain things I don't like that I haven't given myself the time to address. It's a process of his wording, the way he's said things. Maybe you're interested in hearing more about it. I have nothing to say about Bambi which is both good/bad.

I don't know why the assumption being made is that I think RC is leading a herd against me, personally Dunnstral voted me before RC even considered the fact. Bambi just wants 'murder', and then Sakura is probably the only sheep there. I see Penguin has voted me now and Fred and I've already talked about Fred needs to be vigged and if somehow you don't see that by now then I'm not sure what to say.

It seems like you started talking about one thing then started talking about something else

That is generally what happens in a static environment, there is nothing that stands out hence I have to do guesswork on multiple instances

[unwnd]

Your posting isn't making me think you're town

You come at me for generalizing and then proceed to give me the same attitude lol

[unwnd]

It's not hard to see this as scumplaining

I think you have a decent chance of being scum and nothing has given me a reason to reconsider and I wouldn't be as happy lynching the other lynch targets at the moment

You can say RC RC RC but it doesn't matter.

I thought you were town in the dance game and I don't get that feeling here. I'm not too confident but this isn't bad for a day 1 lynch, that's the kind of reasoning I'm going with

Can you link, also what is different from his game then and this one?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80283

The difference is that I don't townread him in this game

I won this game for town btw

If you townread me I can probably win this one for you guys too

[unwnd]

You are so dense rocks must be jealous of you.

[unwnd]

Can you guys talk about something more beyond that I'm ""obvious"" scum like I'm gonna stop posting if you're resigned to this mislynch, be more interesting for me

[unwnd]

I feel like saying that I'm playing different is probably true, but it's a different game with a different role. I don't think 1:1 behavior is completely similar nor is it a sure tell. I think Dunnstral is acting different from the dance game too but his tone is always a certain way, perhaps deliberately. I think part of that is why i dislike him, because I think that the arguments he's making maybe match his normal town tone but lack the necessity he brings when he actually cares about things he's bringing up

And I'm not sure if he does

[unwnd]

I saw someone (Sakura maybe) being like yes this is Town RC! and like...if RC is the type of person who is self-aware he probably understands how easy it is to shit out a couple of bad logic under the guise of his normal tone. I'm nullreading it because I have limited experience and frankly I don't want commit to a shouting match which he keeps trying to bait me into

[unwnd]

BTW a50 is most likely scum, i will do a read list soon then I will convert myself to a useless shitslot and stay low, because obviously not everyone play the same game as I do

See, this is why I'm supporting murdering Unwnd instead of you. You are giving interesting stuff, at least.

Your Dunnstral townread is awful

Chew on that

[unwnd]

I saw someone (Sakura maybe) being like yes this is Town RC! and like...if RC is the type of person who is self-aware he probably understands how easy it is to shit out a couple of bad logic under the guise of his normal tone. I'm nullreading it because I have limited experience and frankly I don't want commit to a shouting match which he keeps trying to bait me into

super super unlikely to be a town post

LMAO

[unwnd]

I think Dunnstral is acting different from the dance game too but his tone is always a certain way, perhaps deliberately. I think part of that is why i dislike him, because I think that the arguments he's making maybe match his normal town tone but lack the necessity he brings when he actually cares about things he's bringing up

And I'm not sure if he does

Lol you definitely know better

[unwnd]

BTW a50 is most likely scum, i will do a read list soon then I will convert myself to a useless shitslot and stay low, because obviously not everyone play the same game as I do

See, this is why I'm supporting murdering Unwnd instead of you. You are giving interesting stuff, at least.

Your Dunnstral townread is awful

Chew on that

He's no longer on my murder list and he already claimed Miller. Try again.

Why does miller matter in a setup that has semi-bastard mechanics in play. I could care less what he claims

[unwnd]

And you think my rants during the first pages were literally for show?

Pretty please murder this.

That happened 50 pages ago why does it matter now

[unwnd]

I think Dunnstral is acting different from the dance game too but his tone is always a certain way, perhaps deliberately. I think part of that is why i dislike him, because I think that the arguments he's making maybe match his normal town tone but lack the necessity he brings when he actually cares about things he's bringing up

And I'm not sure if he does

I feel like saying that I'm playing different is probably true, but it's a different game with a different role. I don't think 1:1 behavior is completely similar nor is it a sure tell.

[unwnd]

Why does miller matter in a setup that has semi-bastard mechanics in play. I could care less what he claims

What does this mean

Exactly what's being said? What's not to get

[unwnd]

... Man, scum don't try at all anymore do they?

My arguments with Dunn proved he's a Miller and frankly trying to make us doubt him is bad.

Pedit: Monkey as in Primate or Monkey as in Almost50 aka the Monkey Man?

OK but

This is a game with bastard mechanics

What part of that don't you understand

[unwnd]

No let me correct that

A semi-bastard game where everyone is probably some form of a PR which events that can be detrimental or beneficial depending on the way it is triggered

Miller means nothing to me

[unwnd]

"Why does miller matter" as if it were an important power role


I think the reason they're not voting me is because I'm town, not because I'm a miller

You keep sidestepping me that you might as be doing the cha cha like coldheartedking was before he replaced out

[unwnd]

What am I sidestepping?

I don't think you believe in this lynch as much as you lead on which is why you can't bring anything up about it beyond 'i am not playing the same', and when I give you a reason for that you quote it back to me like that means anything lol

[unwnd]

I think you have a decent chance of being scum and nothing has given me a reason to reconsider and I wouldn't be as happy lynching the other lynch targets at the moment

I don't think I lead on to much

Right

Who else are you looking at

[unwnd]

What am I sidestepping?

I don't think you believe in this lynch as much as you lead on which is why you can't bring anything up about it beyond 'i am not playing the same', and when I give you a reason for that you quote it back to me like that means anything lol

If it helps you seem pretty scummy to me right now with this defense and pointing at 'miller'

All I did was point out to bambi that I don't care that you claimed Miller, why am i now suddenly pointing it out for responding to someone's logic

[unwnd]

I think you have a decent chance of being scum and nothing has given me a reason to reconsider and I wouldn't be as happy lynching the other lynch targets at the moment

I don't think I lead on to much

Right

Who else are you looking at

I'll figure that out on day 2

...Why

If I had to lynch somebody else it would probably be Vifam

Something we can probably agree on, I liked your vote on Vifam earlier but now we're here

[unwnd]

You started bringing up 'bastard game' as if that meant anything for a miller claim

That was to respond to bambi in which you apparently took it as an accusation made against you

[unwnd]

I actually forgot Vifam exists.

You probably forgot about 1/4th of this game as well

Probably not a good thing!

[unwnd]

You started bringing up 'bastard game' as if that meant anything for a miller claim

That was to respond to bambi in which you apparently took it as an accusation made against you

So then what were you saying?

Bambi's logic as to why you're town doesn't matter to me therfore her townread on you blows lol

[unwnd]

Sample read list v1.0, keep in mind this is D1 reads, in no particular order

d1 Town if you disregard healthy paranoia/2nd guess

Dun/PP/RCS/Unwd/CC/RP

Leaning town, in general ppl I don't care too much d1, play is generally weaker than group 1, often times less content

Kid/vifam/bambi/sakura/raut

Need more info or read too swingy

Mariar/gamma/omo/chemist/wheme/primate

Active srs

a50/FTC

I disagree with a decent amount of this

[unwnd]

I think Sakura is pretty harmless, maybe a bit obstinate but nothing that can't be read

I'd rather deal with someone easily read and a bit stubborn than someone who is just stubborn

[unwnd]

You should flip me but I will claim

David Scott sent by Securpial, aligned w/ Rebels

BTW Please remember CC's post about how there is no way that I am not scum, so when I flip green I can get a laugh postmortem

[unwnd]

Oh yeah I'm a bulletproof too

[unwnd]

Oh yeah I'm a bulletproof too

the two post claim is scummy

wouldn't the bulletproof be the first thing he wants to claim if he's gonna claim, not all the other stuff?

I don't care about my death at this rate, I hope you feel stupid and that's all that matters 2 me

[unwnd]

MAN I can't wait for this poorly distinguished town-block to be completely f*cking shattered when I flip Green

[unwnd]

MAN I can't wait for this poorly distinguished town-block to be completely f*cking shattered when I flip Green

Do you have anything serum related?

Ah yeah but if I'm dying I'm gonna be extra spiteful and not tell you what it does

[unwnd]

MAN I can't wait for this poorly distinguished town-block to be completely f*cking shattered when I flip Green

Do you have anything serum related?

Ah yeah but if I'm dying I'm gonna be extra spiteful and not tell you what it does

So tell me when you are alive? lmao

Well I dunno

I'm pretty much unlimited BP that has no upkeep and can stay alive as long as I have serum.

[unwnd]

i think that unwnd plays mafia in a lot better faith than the way he's playing now

his play in the previous game doesn't suggest he's the type of town player to trash talk me and emphasize how he's getting one over on people by flipping town as opposed to actually doing something to change reads on him. all he did from the point of getting scumread was discredit people scumreading him.

i also think that with me as a nullread (at best) from his point of view, he would be more concerned that I'm scum mislynching him as opposed to rubbing it in my face.

I'm not trash talking you, my resentment is directed towards the state of the game which I think is very not good. I care more about the entertainment factor at this rate because frankly the time I've spent alive has...not been entertaining

[unwnd]

If you think I'm that bad of a scum player (Hint: ask MariaR about my scumgame which hasn't even happened on this acc yet) to fabricate my Role PM using the outlining of a Sample Role PM then like wow

[unwnd]

Nope it's pretty much the same @CK

[unwnd]

If you think I'm that bad of a scum player (Hint: ask MariaR about my scumgame which hasn't even happened on this acc yet) to fabricate my Role PM using the outlining of a Sample Role PM then like wow

i mean that role is far more believable as a scum role though. what happens if a strong townie gets perma bp and the game's just over? you claimed the ability to serum all the time which implies it's 2 or less which seems outside of any reasonable balance range.

I think you should commit to this lynch and I look forward to what you're going to do next as with a few others lol

Someone asked me about CK? I don't townread him if that's what you're asking. I haven't had the enthusiasm to deliberate my thoughts cuz nobody seemed too interested in considering them because the consensus is that I am scum

[unwnd]

If you think I'm that bad of a scum player (Hint: ask MariaR about my scumgame which hasn't even happened on this acc yet) to fabricate my Role PM using the outlining of a Sample Role PM then like wow

i mean that role is far more believable as a scum role though. what happens if a strong townie gets perma bp and the game's just over? you claimed the ability to serum all the time which implies it's 2 or less which seems outside of any reasonable balance range.

I think you should commit to this lynch and I look forward to what you're going to do next as with a few others lol

Someone asked me about CK? I don't townread him if that's what you're asking. I haven't had the enthusiasm to deliberate my thoughts cuz nobody seemed too interested in considering them because the consensus is that I am scum

Do you think im reaping t creds on your ass? If not, how can you explain my play from your pov

No, I just don't townread you and I don't have a further explanation for it. I could be very wrong but I don't think this is my game to decide that

[unwnd]

i'm not calling you bad scum or anything btw. i would even argue that the tells that i'm reading on are -good scum- tells as opposed to just newbscum tells.
i applaud your effort, i still think that your play here is scum, if you're not scum I'll be extremely sad because it means a lot of tells that I believe in failed me.

Aye

You might be a vote on this wagon but I'm not entirely blaming you

[unwnd]

Honestly I read no upkeep like 'as long as you have serum you can keep getting vests'

Shrug

[unwnd]

Alright so Three Houses comes out in about an hour so I think I'm gonna let the thread decide what to do and if I come back and u haven't hanged me I'll do some stuff

Cheers

[unwnd]

Oh yes give 4 serum to someone townie please lol

[unwnd]

Oh yes give 4 serum to someone townie please lol

thats a s slip

lmao this is why i dont townread u

[unwnd]

I'd like to think I was making a joke based on your wording of (4) serum by saying 'yes give 4 serum to someone townier' but alrighty then

Somehow we've gone back to the first couple of pages in this game

[unwnd]

This whole page has been very confusing for me from a town perspective

[unwnd]

"from a town perspective"

I enjoy saying I'm town nearing the end of my thread lifespan

It's like if u were on your deathbed what would you want to remembered as? I want to be remembered as town, so when you murder me you will realize it was all I tried to be.

[unwnd]

"from a town perspective"

I enjoy saying I'm town nearing the end of my thread lifespan

It's like if u were on your deathbed what would you want to remembered as? I want to be remembered as town, so when you murder me you will realize it was all I tried to be.

i too like to reinforce the idea that i'm town by repeating it as often as I can as scum.

Nah I think that's bad play if you're scum, most town react negatively to self-defense

[unwnd]

So what am I at L-2 now? At L-1 I'm self-hammering

[unwnd]

Vote: unwnd

Peace guys, enjoy my green flip

[unwnd]

I don't want you to think 'oh he's faking and just playing until the end as a red', like nah I'm flipping town

Fred is not Creature and if he is he's probably scum

[unwnd]

Vote: unwnd

Peace guys, enjoy my green flip

No townie hammers here while people have given their own 2 cents, jesus christ.

Vote: unwnd

Peace guys, enjoy my green flip

So you just denied someone else from getting serum?
You better flip scum

No sorry, just green

I'll have fun speccing this

if you are town then you should have done something besides bitch about my presence in the town

I bitched about a lot of things! I wasn't just focused on U that was a false dichotomy but IDK if you'll read my posts

[unwnd]

Vote: unwnd

Peace guys, enjoy my green flip

No townie hammers here while people have given their own 2 cents, jesus christ.

Why do you care now and not when I wasn't lynched lol

[unwnd]

Vote: unwnd

Peace guys, enjoy my green flip

No townie hammers here while people have given their own 2 cents, jesus christ.

Why do you care now and not when I wasn't lynched lol

Because you just made this murder unfun as hell.

Make better murders then

[unwnd]

I mean he just did a super anti town thing out of spite.
If he flips green im blacklisting him.

How am I being anti-town? I'm under the impression that the hammer gets more serum and I don't believe in you guys to have a determined townread to give said serum too so I stopped it. You've been shouting my death for about 3-4 IRL days now and in those 3-4 days nothing new has really surfaced therefore I'm pretty much doing people a favor so you can move on and that nobody gets some serum

[unwnd]

Wrong. I only shouted for murder, not your death in particular.

Lies and slander.

But your vote was on me and usually votes lead to murder?????

[unwnd]

How am I being anti-town? I'm under the impression that the hammer gets more serum and I don't believe in you guys to have a determined townread to give said serum too so I stopped it. You've been shouting my death for about 3-4 IRL days now and in those 3-4 days nothing new has really surfaced therefore I'm pretty much doing people a favor so you can move on and that nobody gets some serum

you don't trust us to have a determined townread? You could determine your own townread. but you don't seem to care too much about influencing the game outside of spewing yourself town.

Definitely not tbh I hope this gets whoever is town on me a proper wakeup call

[unwnd]

Wrong. I only shouted for murder, not your death in particular.

Lies and slander.

But your vote was on me and usually votes lead to murder?????

Not necessarily. But semantics and shit.

I'm sad I didnt get to see more people debate murdering you.

I think it was a pretty easy topic to discuss. It's why I'm not a big fan of Rauth's jump in particular when it comes to my murdering.

[unwnd]

So you believe Rauth should get the murder next then?

Rauth/Gamma/Vifam/Fred/RCS/CK/KidAmn are all fine murder options from memory

[unwnd]

Dunn too but I talked about it. I'm probably wrong somewhere but think I hit at least 3 in that

[unwnd]

Dunn too but I talked about it. I'm probably wrong somewhere but think I hit at least 3 in that

Naming about half the playerlist general does get you scum unless your SUPER unlucky,

A lot of half-baked play that I just assume is either scum or a town who doesn't give a shit. I think Vifam is more likely in terms of 'town who doesn't give a shit'. Fred is literally worthless. Dunn needs to be looked at more. KidAmn has done nothing and never follows-up on anything. RCS interactions are strange to me. Gamma's post about his reads felt really forced (yknow the one about this gameshow or whatever lol). These aren't the most in-depth reads but I digress

[unwnd]

i mean

unwnd was openly refusing to play the game because he doesn't like how the game was going b/c of me if he's town
cloud you've spent more time antagonizing and trying to jebait me than you've spent doing anything else
maria isn't even playing the game

I promise it wasn't just you. I made that very clear in my posts but again

IDK if you'll read them