Mini 2091: The Purge - Game Over!

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VOTE: Menalque
You should get Mastina to corroborate your story. Oh wait...

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Menalque is town.
DGB

He definitely has a habit of making grand entrances

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Mostly cause I was like 99% going to vote him until I came up with the icon/iconic idea

Thanks @icon for the iconic "get down mister president."

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@Gandalf - you set up an avatar picture btw. It'll help us sort out which posts are yours when we're reading the thread.

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Hi everyone!
I noticed that last game 6 townies died, most of which announced they were going to shoot rather than barricade during the night, let’s try and avoid that mistake.

6 townies died in the first night I mean.

So are we looking to agree who town should shoot, before we all go off on some random bloodlust fuelled rampage then?

I vote in favor of bloodlust fueled rampage

Egduf has a good point. We should be cagey about our plans to shoot or barricade.

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VOTE: TiphanieDeath

Lmao, you did it!!

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Do we even get punished for no-"lynching" in this format? Aside from the fact that it means we didn't lock down a mafia's night actions.

Hmm, good point.

The mafia have 3 potential shots each night. 1 is forced + breaks barricades but the other two are optional.

On the one hand, a no-lynch doesn't punish us very much. In all but 2 cases (hitting one of the goons), it's either not helpful (strongman) or hurting the town (any town).

On the other hand, every day we don't strand someone means another night that both the goons can coordinate 2-shot kill.

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Not stranding also forces more town to shoot, which then means mafia are more likely to kill at night without a coordinated 2-shot.

I think stranding is worth it unless we can figure out a way to coordinate 2 shots on someone without letting the maf team 1-shot each of the shooters.

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What if we strand someone then assign three people to either shoot the stranded person or barricade. It would cast a bit of uncertainty at the maf team when they're trying to select targets.

Forcing both goons to shoot opens them up to anyone else who decides to take a random shot.

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I see no way to publicly clear anyone based on night actions. Due to the nature of the setup, any other random person may have taken the shot.

Yeah I don’t know what I was thinking

We can treat our shots like pseudo-trackers. Hear me out:
- let's pretend everyone not mentioned in this scenario barricades.
- town A dies (barricades)
- Scum B shot town A.
- town C shot person D (who barricades)

If we trust C when they tell us they shot D but D didn't die, we know that D isn't the strongman.

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I see no way to publicly clear anyone based on night actions. Due to the nature of the setup, any other random person may have taken the shot.

Yeah I don’t know what I was thinking

We can treat our shots like pseudo-trackers. Hear me out:
- let's pretend everyone not mentioned in this scenario barricades.
- town A dies (barricades)
- Scum B shot town A.
- town C shot person D (who barricades)

If we trust C when they tell us they shot D but D didn't die, we know that D isn't the strongman.

This method gets way muddier when we factor in people lying about their targets and such. I'm not sure if it'll be super helpful right away, but we should truthfully report our night actions on the subsequent day.

When/if people flip town, the survivors can look back at the night reports and piece together hints. It'd be like pieceing together a bunch of "not-rules" in a logic game.

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How, exactly, are you saying that we could lose Day 1? Is it that the Mafia will take out two members of the town? In that case, I think that is more of an inevitability than anything else.

If townies shoot, we lose a huge % of people right off the bat.

If I recall correctly, the last Purge game ended on something like D2 or D3.

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If most* townies shoot... *

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Because the person we are going to strand is a person we already do not trust, so it doesn’t matter if they die and it definitely matters that they do not shoot. I agree if we are just choosing randomly that isn’t good, but we aren’t.

Agreed. I think stranding is worth it.

While I'm not yet certain of the numbers, I think it's also good to assign a small group with the task of either killing the stranded person or barricading.

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Yes, but that is assuming the Town plays poorly. Few of us should have a reason to shoot Night 1 beyond killing who we vote to strand.

You asked how we could lose D1. I told you.

My point about last game was to demonstrate the possibility of a bunch of town dying on N1.

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So after a

comprehensive

read up of the thread:
-Delta's strategy seems game breaking

which

is great. The plan for night 1 looks good. I will now proceed to point my

FINGER OF APPROVAL

at you. Consider this an honour.
-Eudgf voted for me so I shall now vote for her.
VOTE: Vote: Vote: Edfug
-We need to start talking

more

about who to strand and our scumreads. Majority of

discussion

so far has been on night strats and

working

out the maths of

said

strats.

This is surprisingly difficult to read. Are all of your posts going to be like this?

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EspressoPatronum - For trying to figure out the best way of stranding people.

I don't agree that assigning three people to possibly do the shooting is necissarily a good idea

but I could be fairly easily purswaded on this one. If the three people are town then it narrows down mafia targets, and if there are two mafia in the three they cannot be trusted to shoot their buddy.

I agree - 3 might not be the best. I like Delta's suggestion in 147: 7 townies who shoot 1/3 of the time.

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This isn't the same town!FF I saw in Newbie 1936. I think he's aware of this and he's using the setup as an excuse:

I like that idea. I think we should try it unless someone points out a glaring issue.

Im going to do what i did in ultimate wolf and let you guys decide the best actions to make and ride your coatails to victory.

This is more of a puzzle than a mafia game usually is for me. If you guys think we can find scum by doing that then lets go for it.

VOTE: FormerFish

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Yo EP do me a solid? Go read his iso then read edfug’s iso then hop on this here wagon with us

Fair. It's mostly a rehash of Delta's arguments. I'm not sure I buy the explanation at 315 as the Gandalf vote being for pressure.

Interesting note - why did Oversoul dislike Gandalf's entrance but not mention edfug? I hate the, 'newb!scum address the thread in entry' theory fwiw, but he didn't apply it to both people.

I'm happy to swap over to edfug, but we really need to keep an eye on FF. From what I've seen, he doesn't coast as town.

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Im going to do what i did in ultimate wolf and let you guys decide the best actions to make and ride your coatails to victory.

This is more of a puzzle than a mafia game usually is for me. If you guys think we can find scum by doing that then lets go for it.

I'm not throwing shade. You said you were going to coast.

I'm saying town!FF doesn't coast.

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Idk FF I kinda think EP is townier than you atm

That's fine. If he's town, we stand a greater chance at winning. I can't remember the exact number, but he said in Newbie 1936 that his town win rate was something like 70%. @FF correct me if I'm wrong there.

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Also I think the entire lack of reaction to my push comes more from scum hoping it’ll blow over than from town, especially after I explicitly asked her about it and she ignored it

I like this a lot. I can get on board with it.

VOTE: egduf

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Vagueposting like it's Instagram over here... what's your hunch?

That Serene is scum :,(

They’ve been talk talk talking about their scum reads but their vote hasn’t moved from EP who they are apparently town reading

Hmm good point.

I've only played 1 game with DGB and kuribo, but scum!kuribo lost his 'tranquilo' when someone scumread him.

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Vagueposting like it's Instagram over here... what's your hunch?

That Serene is scum :,(

They’ve been talk talk talking about their scum reads but their vote hasn’t moved from EP who they are apparently town reading

Hmm good point.

I've only played 1 game with DGB and kuribo, but scum!kuribo lost his 'tranquilo' when someone scumread him.

(Continuing...)

But on the other hand, DGB also seems to be the same, and she was town.

One hydra head is scum and the other is town... what do?!

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Just so everyone is aware we should probably consolidate our suspicions. We have about a day left before the deadline strikes.

Somebody gets stranded no matter what.

I like the idea of consolidating suspicions, but it's not necessary to achieve a strand fyi.

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I remember reading it. I think FF but I need to crtl+f to find it

It don't much matter to me who said it, I put more effort into it because I thought it had been you

Most of my scumlean on you was based on that, so we good now fam

It was espresso, my bad

So does that mean you're scumreading me? Or was it just a scumread because Oversoul said it?

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Maybe I'm tripping but I thought I remembered someone saying that Iconeum and Hectic should shoot each other. This is a decent step to solving IMO. Those two flips would tell us a lot about the game state and I'm pretty sure we'd catch a mafia.
I would obviously prefer we just strand and shoot Iconeum and be done with it, but I don't think I'm going to be able to persuade people that the scum between them is just Iconeum, and I kinda think Hectic is getting shot regardless of what I think, so I'd settle for the compromise that Iconeum and Hectic cross-fire and a couple townies volunteer (but do not post in thread that you are volunteering) to shoot into those two to prevent barricade balking.

If scum know we're planning on having a bunch of ppl shoot, they'll shoot wide + possibly kill 3 town. I'd rather stick to the earlier plan of stranding one and having a select number of town decide whether they should shoot.

Forcing scum to focus fire is in our best interest unless we bait them into shooting wide but actually barricade.

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Things are stagnating and I'd rather not run out the clock. I'm getting strong town vibes from CT and Gandalf, so I'm happy going with them for now. @CT I don't think the crossfire strategy is better than stranding btw.

VOTE: Iconeum

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I'm 80+% sure this is town Mena btw. I did a brief meta on him today and this is looking pretty good.

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I also really like his reads list.

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Yo EP do me a solid? Go read his iso then read edfug’s iso then hop on this here wagon with us

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Interesting note - why did Oversoul dislike Gandalf's entrance but not mention edfug? I hate the, 'newb!scum address the thread in entry' theory fwiw, but he didn't apply it to both people.

I'm happy to swap over to edfug, but we really need to keep an eye on FF. From what I've seen, he doesn't coast as town.

Ah. I found it. This isn't what happened. Why did you think I was specifically referring to the "newb!scum address the thread in entry" theory?

Hi everyone

Hi everyone!
I noticed that last game 6 townies died, most of which announced they were going to shoot rather than barricade during the night, let’s try and avoid that mistake.

VOTE: Gandalf

LOVE: Avatar

HATE: Intro

@Oversoul you're clearly referring to Gandalf's "hi everyone."

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Intent to hammer.

I also want to know why you thought that, Espresso. I did not see that in Gandalf at all.

I didn't say Gandalf was newb!scum. I called out Oversoul for using a garbage method to say he disliked Gandalf's entrance when he didn't use the same method on edguf. See quoted posts above

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Lmao

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Nice touch on the background thing. I think they'll buy it if you play it off like a town troll.

Anyway, I'm gonna head back over to the main thread and post something more substantial than "lmao." Sorry in advance if I push you a bit for it. Again, you should be able to play it cool.

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I'm like 95% sure Carl is joking here, but it'd be nice if he flips scum bcz it suggests one or both of scum!CT's teammates are new. His post has a coaching vibe to it.

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Lol... the fact that you're taking that seriously is pretty wild.

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Great game, all! That was hilariously chaotic.

@Percivul thanks for running it!