Mini 2091: The Purge - Game Over!

[Hectic]

Posting to

avoid

a prod. Catching up

now

.

[Hectic]

So after a

comprehensive

read up of the thread:
-Delta's strategy seems game breaking

which

is great. The plan for night 1 looks good. I will now proceed to point my

FINGER OF APPROVAL

at you. Consider this an honour.
-Eudgf voted for me so I shall now vote for her.
VOTE: Vote: Vote: Edfug
-We need to start talking

more

about who to strand and our scumreads. Majority of

discussion

so far has been on night strats and

working

out the maths of

said

strats.

[Hectic]

I

agree

that the setup discussion has been

useful

, and I just noticed this game has only been up

for

1 day, thought it was more for some reason. Been hard for me to formulate any scumreads so far but got a few

classic

townreads on Delta, Egdfu and Gandalf. Delta is the only townread I have based on setup discussion, because the strat they

presented

genuinely seems like it can break the setup and tilt

the

odds in town's favour massively. Eudfg

for

getting started with

some

nice reads, and Gandalf for that nice BBCode self-tutorial and genuinity.

EspressoPatronum: no?

[Hectic]

Gandalf's

really

town, the voting struggles with the BBCode was genuine, newbie!scum does not attempt something as over the top as that. His confusion about the Delta's strat is also reasonable for newbie!town who's never played a forum game before (let alone something as

weird

as this one), others have sufficiently explained now though why scum would not counterclaim masons, and why the masons will be confirmed most of the time. I will now point my

FINGER OF LIKING

at Gandalf.

Most Serene has voted for me and thus I shall now place my vote on them.

VOTE: Vote: Vote: Vote: Most Serene

Malenque's logic on Gandalf and Ecafu being scum together seems a little

dodgy

, would like to hear him

expand

on that.

[Hectic]

I'm thinking Delta and Hectic could be Scum, plus someone who is being quiet.

Also, something like this does not come from newbie!scum, it comes from newbie!town who doesn't understand the

merits

of Delta's strat.

[Hectic]

Carl

and

Serene

, I recommend you guys settle this

dispute

with a friendly game of

rock paper scissors

, and then proceed to realise the result doesn't matter and you were good friends

joking

around all along.

Here, I'll count you down:

3
2
1

Please proceed with your hand formation of choice.

[Hectic]

A formal message to Menalque:

Firstly, I would like to

apologise

for spelling your name incorrectly. I have greatly sinned and will

deeply

deliberate over my error. I would not blame you if were to shoot me tonight, and I will happily not

barricade

to allow your shot to go through.

This isn't an alt, I've played 1 newbie game where I was

killed

n1, and am in another one right now.

[Hectic]

Carl Tuckerson:

Understood.

I liked Educf's reads

since

she was pushing the game away from setup discussion and towards forming interactions,

and

the start of scumhunting. Scum would be

happier

to dwell in setup and stats discussion for longer. I agreed with her read on

Gandalf

.

Does anyone see Carl and Serene's

interactions

ever coming from 2 scum? Never played with either of them so I have no idea.

[Hectic]

No, I mean I agreed with her previous

assessment

of Gandalf's posts feeling like genuine newbie!town. I don't agree with her flip on him and her vote. I think it's unlikely Gandalf is newbie€scum who's against Delta's strat because he realises it's

great

for town, and

bad

for him. He's newbie¥town who simply doesn't

understand

it.

[Hectic]

Menalque's

town

- good contributions and obsession with

pagetopping

is good.

Carl's

town

- self explanatory

I can see Serene being scum - but only with me, town otherwise, so only a slight scumlean

Tet hasn't explained any reads yet, and most of their posts are setup-related or

JK Rowls

. Also, that last post of theirs is just a bit slightly kind of LAMIST.

VOTE: VOTE: Vote: Tet

Persivul:

All good if I use the vote tags?

[Hectic]

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[Hectic]

I can see Serene being scum -

but only with me

, town otherwise, so only a slight scumlean

Huh?

Uhhhh...

little

bit of a scumslip there. Disregard that

immediately

please.

No, but I should probably clarify that was a joke before it wastes too much discussion.

[Hectic]

True, people do seem to overuse words like

LAMIST

and

WIFOM

nowadays, and calling that post LAMIST was probably wrong on my part. Basically, I think Tet's post (although probably a joke) was more scum-indicative than town, because scum!Tet would want town to see them in a townie's mindset, looking like they're thinking about whether scum is gonna kill them, and if they can live as a townie long enough to fire off 2 shots. It's minor though and probably not even worth this

discussion

.

Delta Klim:

Knock knock

[Hectic]

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[Hectic]

I honestly feel like I got what you were trying to say until you said "only a slight scumlean." Consider me very confused.
"X could only be scum with me" is a plausible thing for town to say to townread someone else. Something like "Because of X's interactions and blablabla, the only way X could be mafia is if X were partners with me, so [because I'm town] X is town."
I don't get why Serene is leaning scum to you in the world where Serene can only be scum with you.

I have a bad habit of making poor jokes which can be interpreted as scum

slips

- I invite you to look at the start of my previous games if you want some good examples.

(

@Mod:

Please sent this to Carl via PM please, don't post it to the main thread)

[Hectic]

I do actually scumlean

Serene

slightly - the anger feels a little

fake

and over the top to me.

[Hectic]

I can see Serene being scum -

but only with me

, town otherwise, so only a slight scumlean

Huh?

Uhhhh...

little

bit of a scumslip there. Disregard that

immediately

please.

No, but I should probably clarify that was a joke before it wastes too much discussion.

This was part of the joke.

Agree with Egfuj that Icon's reaction isn't

weird

, and their reluctance to look into past games isn't scum!Icon who doesn't want to admit their scumread is wrong.

Curious

about 477 though, and the fact they're trying to use "Uhhhh...

little

bit of a scumslip there. Disregard that

immediately

please.." as a reason for scumreading me, thought it was kinda clear that was sarcasm (but it's not always obvious over text). I don't think my "scumslips" are town-indicative as Gandalf says though, I'd

probably

do them as scum as well.

[Hectic]

Lul, my

point

was that if you're faking the anger, that's more scum-indicative than town. I'm not saying the

anger

itself is indicative of either alignment, it's the possibility that it may be

fake

.

I've not played with either you behind this

Serene

account, and have not read your wiki.

Do you seriously scumread me for my OMGUSing?

[Hectic]

Most Serene is really

pressuring

me here, and making me

sweat

with their scumread on me, which is preventing me to start

lurking

. In order to alleviate some of that pressure, I shall now place my

vote

on them:

VOTE: Most Serene

Icon:

I'm saying I'm leaning towards their anger being

faked

which is why it's a scumlean. If I was certain it was faked, it wouldn't be a lean.

[Hectic]

Hectic calling someone OMGUS voting is beyond fucking scummy when they themselves have directly voted someone with the reason "they're voting me"

Who

did

I accuse of OMGUS voting?

[Hectic]

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

[Hectic]

OK, sorry, I should probably stop.

UNVOTE: Vote

[Hectic]

Was Hectic's vote for a bad reason or for no reason at all? I'm starting to suspect the latter. When also considering the scumslip, he looks very much like scum.

Which

vote

are you referring to? All of my votes so far

except

for the one on Tet were joke OMGUS votes - I thought they were obvious jokes with the whole "This person has voted for me so now I shall proceed to vote for them."

I know this humour doesn't translate as well over text, and most of you haven't played with me before, so I'll stop pulling these

shenanigans

which are probably just gonna get me lynched.

Serene:

I looked over your wiki (kuribo) and opened

some

random games of yours, and I retract my

suggestion

that your anger may be fake. I will now point my

FINGER OF GENUINENESS

at you.

[Hectic]

Delta - which vote of mine did you have issue with?

Based on meta reads, I think Eekac is town (she's a lot more cagey as scum, and her playstyle here is consistent

with

other games where she's town).

Carl's town for tone and being

bothered

enough to research my meta (don't know how committed scum would have to be to do that).

Serene's probably town based on drawing so much attention to themselves in that feud with Carl, I think the lack of vote change is something they just forgot to do.

Gandalf's town for BBCoding and

opposition

and genuine lack of understanding of Delta's strat.

Tet's a bit scummy to me,

feels

non-committal and his posts don't have much substance to them imo.

Agree with Oversoul's read on Gandalf. The Edgfu is L-1 was fishing for reactions which is good. Also this:

Oh wow there is more to this setup than I realized

^Scum would've discussed the lynch mechanics in this game in their chat.

continued later

[Hectic]

Too late right now, I'll

look

at Icon's ISO in the morning.

Who needs substance when we have guns?

You

raise

a very good point.

[Hectic]

Nah, I'm the easy wagon to push for scum, and the fact so many are latching onto that "scumslip" and the OMGUS votes after the Iconeum wagon had formed does make me a lot more suspicious of him.

His early suspicion of me was perfectly warranted in my eyes, but the fact he researched my meta and came back with

Ok, so I just meta'd him. It's not there. You are eating rope after Hectic.

does sound like someone who doesn't want to admit they're wrong. Also this:

Uhhhh...

little

bit of a scumslip there. Disregard that

immediately

please.

This isn't someone trying to say they made a joke

What about that doesn't sound like I'm playing into the joke? Icon's unrealistically just not getting it and pushing me for self-preservation.

VOTE: Iconeum

[Hectic]

This game was going right and then a few pages ago it started going wrong. I’m gonna figure out who made that happen and get them lynched. Egduf is still scum, but is lower priority because she wasn’t the one who derailed the thread

I hate to say it but I think it was me for my "scumslip", probably shouldn't do those for future games. Though maybe now that I've got more examples to point back at, I should continue making them...

[Hectic]

Whoops

, forgot to

italicise

and

embolden

words for emphasis in those two posts there,

wipe

them from your memory please.

I agree with Carl. I think Hectic’s “scum slip” is the Towniest thing he’s done so far. It’s moved him up to a town read for me. I don’t think Icon’s reaction is scummy though, deliberately playing scummy as Town for a joke is a weird move, and being suspicious of that is fine.

Because, WIFOM or not, he knows this sort of play draws a lot of negative attention to himself and I don't think he would have made this specific joke as scum. There are ways of messing around without pretending to be scum.

^If you all townread Educa for these two posts, why do

disagree

with what she's saying here? She's played enough games with me to

know

this.

[Hectic]

Uhhhh...

little

bit of a scumslip there. Disregard that

immediately

please.

No, but I should probably clarify that was a joke before it wastes too much discussion.

So with this, you think I'm openly

admitting

I've just scumslipped and hoping everyone will listen to me and

disregard

it, and then in the same post I'm going on to try and say it was a joke? I refuse to believe that's what you've actually drawn from this, you're scum who's

reaching

.

[Hectic]

Gandalf's town because I don't see a lone scum going openly against Delta's

strat

in the hopes to shut it down, it's a townie who doesn't understand the merits of it. Also, disagreeing with a widely well-received

strat

like that puts the

spotlight

on you if you're scum, so I don't see newbie!scum doing that.

[Hectic]

Yeah, I do find Gandalf's

flip

on me really weird actually. But that's

only

a scummy thing for him to do if I'm scum with him - so only a scumlean for now.

[Hectic]

Tet:

What I mean is scum is afraid of

scum&Icon

being stranded and killed, so they need to push someone else, I'm an

easy

target because of the points I mentioned, and which a couple of people already suspected me for.

[Hectic]

Yeah, I do find Gandalf's

flip

on me really weird actually. But that's

only

a scummy thing for him to do if I'm scum with him - so only a scumlean for now.

i'm talking about how he got to scumread me. he has no reason to do so. his reads are also basicly the same as mine. yet i'm scum in his eyes.

He agreed with you on me, which he's now

changed

his mind on, so I don't see why the progression of that read is

particularly

weird?

[Hectic]

Tet:

What I mean is scum is afraid of

scum&Icon

being stranded and killed, so they need to push someone else, I'm an

easy

target because of the points I mentioned, and which a couple of people already suspected me for.

This is such a fucking scum post. YOU ARE TRYING TO REDIRECT THE LYNCH ONTO ME, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND

I was the counterwagon after you were being voted for.

Regarding Gandalf, yeah, him scumreading you when you had aligned reads is weird.

[Hectic]

Lul, that's a good point. It's probably a subconscious effect of now being townread by him, but why would

scum$Gandalf

flip off one town wagon onto another, why does that benefit him?

[Hectic]

Think Icon's probably town here tbh, part of my attack on him is some selfishness of not wanting to die. Gonna have to find someone else to call scum now.

[Hectic]

You make a good point about Gandalf Icon, but I'm not gonna follow your vote and look like scum who's trying to start another wagon.

I have a solve btw: we strand egduf, I’ll shoot her because I want the satisfaction, 3 people shoot hectic, icon and most serene cross shoot each other and two more people shoot each of them so they definitely die

How is this a gamesolve? How can you be so confident of us 4?

VOTE: Menalque

[Hectic]

part of my attack on him is some selfishness of not wanting to die

i don't really care about dying, but i do want my gun tonight

Lul, that's true, this game's probably only gonna last 2 or 3 days anyway.

[Hectic]

I'll take the explanation, thanks

[Hectic]

I mean it's a 100% winrate what more do you want

Is this

3/3

in purge games specifically?

If so

, what alignments were you in each one?

Gandalf's 674 makes sense to me.

[Hectic]

Nah, she's town.

I’m on my phone so I’ll get back to you when I’m on laptop in a bit

But basically everything around the “scumslip” by hectic

Still waiting on an update to this^

[Hectic]

Menalque's looking better after his last few

posts

. Nothing's changed on Ehjdu, and I

kinda

like Icon now after my interactions with him, and him reconsidering his read on me.

Menalque, Oversoul, Delta, serene, the Potter guy all town. I guess gandalf but that's more of a townreads townread consensus. Carl can be Fringe town.

The rest of you are getting mowed down.

VOTE: Gandalf

What changed between these two posts? I don't see you mention

Gandalf

between the two of them.

[Hectic]

And Menalque, why did you change your read on Eghfu then?

[Hectic]

Don't like Oversoul's last few posts, feels like scum

feigning

lazy-townie to me. Anyone played with him before? Edghu and Menalque both town. Tet's still

eh

, though that might be more reflective of their play-style rather than their words.

Most Serene:

Are you still

scumreading

me?

UNVOTE: Menalque

[Hectic]

Could a

shepherd

step in and tell me who to vote please?

[Hectic]

Before I go to sleep:

VOTE: Iconeum L-1

[Hectic]

Wait, so

Carl's

"slip-up" was actually a gambit? He said they could push FF tomorrow, who's flipped scum now. So Iconeum is definitely not conftown in that

case

.

[Hectic]

I don't get it, am I missing something? Carl said they could push FF as a strand candidate today, FF just flipped as scum. Why are people assuming Iconeum are town based of Carl's post?

[Hectic]

I think we can push FF tomorrow for sure but beyond that we're kinda running out of reasonable targets. Hopefully a bunch of people who aren't FF die and we can just ride it out with what's left. We'll play this by ear and see who's even alive lol, I heard town killed like six people last time this setup got used so maybe we'll get it gift-wrapped too.

How does this read as him wanting to push scum!FF for distancing? This looks like he's talking about FF as a possible strand, especially since he talks about how he hopes a lot of people who aren't FF (townies) die as well.

I'm not 100% sure this is a gambit, but I don't see how Menalque is so sure this is a slip-up, and is calling Icon 100% town.

[Hectic]

Icon can’t be scum with tet, therefore it’s prob not a gambit and they’re both lock!town

@hectic I’m case you are town

Remind me why?

[Hectic]

Oh right, especially since the last member is a strongman and can't barricade, so we win by grouping. We could even have everyone shoot everyone else in a circle (mason not being in the circle).

[Hectic]

That gambit was quite something lol, I'm surprised someone determined that and shot FF in the night to out it, but it may have won the game for us if Icon is the third scum.

[Hectic]

Well, gg

Exactly 1 townie should be alive after night 2.

[Hectic]

Mason should claim now obviously.

[Hectic]

That gambit was quite something lol, I'm surprised someone determined that and shot FF in the night to out it, but it may have won the game for us if Icon is the third scum.

I guess they went for it because Delta's breaking strategy was too good, and if Icon is scum, it really wasn't looking good for them since he was gonna be stranded there.

[Hectic]

Menalque:

Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying. Pretty sure it was a gambit now though.

Mason claim waiting room now. Could see it being Gandalf.

[Hectic]

So:

Hectic shoots Egduf
Egduf shoots Menalque
Menalque shoots Tet
Tet shoots Oversoul
Oversoul shoots TiphaineDeath
TiphaineDeath shoots Iconeum
Iconeum shoots Hectic

Gandalf barricades

Everyone good with that?

[Hectic]

Lul, menalque the third scum trying to bait out a modkill on the mason?

[Hectic]

I don't think something like that should be allowed, honestly. It doesn't matter though, if someone counterclaims mason, we just kill the two contested claims. We just assign 3 people to shoot each person.

[Hectic]

Oh wait, if they CC then everyone should just barricade and let them shoot each other

Or that.

[Hectic]

Like...it doesn't matter. If he is scum he gets CC'd and it's auto. If he's mason and doesn't get CC'd it's auto.

Whoa

[Hectic]

[REDACTED]

No further comment tonight. I'm mason with EP, I got Serene wrong in my call on the mason thread, so there is more to think about. I have to go to work tomorrow, but likely wont post further until 6.30pm tomorrow eve

Whatever you do, don't quote or copy-paste anything from the mason chat, I think that's literally the only way we can lose at this point. You okay with 1037?

[Hectic]

gg

Props to Tiphaine for taking that shot on FF, could've been a completely different end otherwise. The breaking strat still should've worked though I guess, since we just pair everyone together and don't put Icon and FF in the same pair, while Gandalf barricades.

[Hectic]

Once released, the mafia pt should provide an entertaining read

here's a

small

preview

Looking forward to reading through that lol, want to see you guys come up with this gambit.